 Yeah It was always rubber neck when we were growing up Neck yeah, yeah, but we would call the traffic jam a rubber necking. No, we call it a cluster F sometimes. Yeah, right? well We have a thing here called the Utah block where if you're on the highway and if you're in four let's say four lanes of highway and Four cars have without even noticing it without knowing each other without synchronizing it have somehow created a four car blockage All going too slow and nobody can get around them. There's no fast lane. They're just all four across moving in unison We call that the Utah block Because we never see you What do you call it when you What do you call it when rain falls while the sun is shining the one that's giving birth is one of the options Wait wolf is giving birth. Yes What? What are the other options? Oh, I already moved on. Oh Okay, we're was the one I picked sure. I don't have a term for that. It's just like oh look the sky's weird. I Would aim I would point my face to the sky and yell say it don't spray it as loud as I could Oh, see now. They don't what do you call a sweet and carbonated beverage, right? That's the classic one It's the last question on this quiz. They don't have SOTY Soda pop coke tonic soft drink lemonade Coca-Cola fizzy drink and dope Don't have SOTY, which is what my grandma called it. I Well, there used to be a term for when people drank beer in a car called road sodies mm-hmm But I've never heard anything besides beer be called a SOTY Which is nobody do that. It's probably a soda. It's just a variation of soda, right? Here's where I'm from apparently Wait, that is all over there Whoa, I mean, I'm actually from kind of to the right side of that dark area in southern Illinois But you take a real man. We go a real break in Utah from all that look at that boom. Yeah Yeah Kaboom, so I guess we're not as similar as I thought Scott Not at all done it all. All right. You already talked laptops. Yeah, I like tops For your lap Oh, I'm ready. Here you go, Roger Mm-hmm Okay Here V go The Daily Tech news show is powered by its listeners not outside organizations If you get value from the show consider giving a little back as little as a dollar a month keeps great tech news and analysis Coming your way commercial free find out more at Daily Tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Wednesday November 29th 2017 from DT nose headquarters in Los Angeles I'm Tom Merritt and from studio feline at the beach. I'm Sarah Lane From the windswept peaks of the Mount Baldy. I'm Scott Johnson, you know I I saw this in the rundown and I thought you had written the weird swept peaks Well depends on when you ask me time weird is I just imagine some weird guy sweeping up there Yes, hey, what's up? Everybody Roger Chang is here as well. He doesn't do any weird sweeping. Do you Roger? No, I only sweep up the lawn clippings That's what truth sounds like folks it is it's very dull Let's start with a few tech things you should know All right, I'm gonna try to summarize all of AWS reinvent for you here goes Amazon announced Amazon Neptune an Aurora serverless offering for more efficient computing and new backup feature for Dynamo DB Amazon also announced AWS support for Kubernetes on top of its elastic container service AWS Fargate to let customers run containers without managing infrastructure AWS EC2 bare metal instances in public preview, which gives customers direct access to the hardware bare metal Amazon free RTOS a microcontroller operating system meant to run on low-power connected devices Internet of Things devices that connect to the cloud Amazon transcribe that turns any audio file or audio from a video file stored on s3 into English or Spanish text Amazon translate which provides text translations for supported languages and AWS deep lens a camera meant for developers that uses AI to take better photos That's available for pre-order today for two hundred forty nine dollars. Oh, that's a good Tom. Good summary. Thank you Let's go a lot of stuff there in an ongoing patent war that looks to have no end in sight Really Apple filed a countersuit against Qualcomm and a US district court in San Diego Wednesday today alleging that Qualcomm snap jagged eight hundred and eight twenty processors infringe on at least eight of Apple's patents now back in July Qualcomm accused Apple of infringing several of its patents around battery life Which Apple denies stating Qualcomm's patents were in fact invalid. Oh Big fight happening there Essential, you know the essential phone Tom has one Says that it's had a regular board meeting and when that happened earlier this month Andy Rubin asked to take a leave of absence as CEO of essential in order to deal with personal matters Andy Rubin of course being you know chief dude who brought us the essential phone Wednesday the information published a report that cites sources who say Rubin left Google in 2014 after an internal Investigation found he had engaged in an inappropriate relationship with a subordinate Which violates Google's policy a spokeswoman for Rubin told the said told the information that is the publication That the relationship was consensual The spec for HDMI 2.1 has been finalized supporting data transfer speeds up to 48 gigabits per second and even faster If you use something called display stream compression all that means you can do uncompressed 4k video at 120 frames per second with HDR Up to 12 bits per channel. It's not gonna show up in products yet It's got to go through nine months of compliance tests first then it can start showing up in products Now here are some more top stories take it away Sarah Okay, snapchat is really not a new design and will separate social snaps from publisher content on two different screens Now see swipe left or swipe right depending on what you want to look at It'll also switch to an algorithmic sorting of snaps to sort by what it deems your favorite people But the content you like the best not just the content that gets posted the most often Snapchat will continue to show ads between stories and discover content. No surprise there interesting It's gonna roll up to a small set of users starting Friday. So it's not something that I could check out yet But I and I use snapchat on a daily basis. I don't always Make snaps but I do look at my feed and I do find the discover area Annoying to be all in the same place because it's Well quite honestly, I don't really have any discover content that I'm particularly interested in so it's like oh snaps for my friends And that the bottom it's like look at what Kylie Jenner wore it to the club So I like the idea of these being separated. I also think that for publishers It's kind of a bum deal for them because I'm just never gonna swipe on that page. Sure. Well from a From a bigger picture pull out the camera a little bit on snap these days They've taken a lot of heat over the last year or two Regarding their public price since going public. I guess it's only been about a year But things haven't gone great or the way that they wanted it to and some have suggested that maybe that's because Their stuff is hard to figure out. It's hard to navigate. It's tricky to get to get through and use for most people Or for more people that maybe could be using the service Do you think that as a daily snap user? Do you think that this is maybe the beginning of? What could ultimately be a long-term plan to overhaul the interface Well, I mean, I think snap has had, you know, so much of its market share taken away To taken from it by Instagram stories, which I really couldn't have predicted how popular Instagram stories would be but so many of my friends were like, oh, I'm on Instagram anyway I just don't even want to open snapchat. Everything's all here. So that was a bit of a surprise to me, but you know snap snap snapchat has always been Accused of you know having this interface that at first was for younger people because it was kind of confusing and After it became more of like a oh, this isn't just you know Something for young people to send racy photos back and forth to each other It's you know, it's actually you know communication medium, you know all that stuff just started to make less sense and for a while I've felt that the interface even though I know how it works. I know how to get where I need to go I've trained myself over time but it doesn't really make a lot of sense and it's certainly not gonna bring in a lot of new users because It has continued to not make sense. And yeah, I think that this design overhaul was a long time coming and You know, I don't think they would have felt pressure to change if they hadn't had some like extremely bad quarters this year but they did my Question is if I follow DJ Khaled or Grace Helbig, which I do Do they stay on the right with the discover people because they're not my friends. They're not on my contacts list I mean, I would like to consider them my friends. Well, you've added them though So they are they go to the left or they go to the right They go to the left because the left is my content to follow the people like I know the phone number of these people No, this is more of like the BuzzFeed account will now not be showing up at the bottom of Yeah, I don't know that I will either also I don't think it's all that obvious or it doesn't sound obvious that you're supposed to be swiping back and forth I assume the first time I log in after the update It'll say oh by the way, you know flick this direction if you want to do this thing But I think that people are gonna see that a whole lot less is my guess We shall see ways however has updated its Android and iOS apps So I do this with a apology as I say it including more accurate directions or for motorcycle riders and hands-free Okay ways if I say that we'll make people's phones do things. I don't Unless they're using ways. I guess if ways is open. It's something just happened for you people at home Anyway, that voice command prompts for users in the US UK and Canada ways also will include Carpool lanes in its routing system in 22 states plus Toronto Vancouver and Montreal with more cities and In the US and Canada on the way I always love this love this love this. I am still a ways user. I know many people are not I Definitely see the advantages of Google Maps now The more that I've been using it or been close to someone using it Because I lean's kind of switched over but one of the big problems when I use ways is I want to report Slow traffic or an obstruction or say, oh, yeah, the the policeman's not there anymore And but I don't want to reach over and touch the phone even just to do the the three swipe So being able to just talk to it. I think is great. I also, you know I don't ride a motorcycle But this the update for motorcyclists, which includes like narrow roads, right where it's like around a motorcycle It's totally different than if you're in a car if they if you're actually trying to get from point A to point B as fast as possible That's just not something that I would have thought of but they're in kitchen. He loves motorcycles Like I'm sure this is something where he's like, yes, this would be extremely helpful They're you know, they're they're two different completely two different size vehicles And you know if there's a if there's a backup on the freeway Well, it might not impact a motorcyclist as much as a car. Yeah, if you're in a state that allows lane splitting You're just gonna zoom right through that. Yeah. Yeah All right 24 hours after a security researcher made a public bug in Mac OS high Sierra that allowed route access to anyone public We talked about this because it happened right before the show yesterday Apple not only issued a patch which you should install right away if you are running high Sierra, but also issued an apology This is so rare Although it's less rare than it used to be I'm gonna read the whole thing Apple wrote security is a top priority for every Apple product and regrettably We stumbled with this release of Mac OS when our security engineers became aware of the issue Tuesday afternoon We immediately began working on an update that closes the security hole this morning as of 8 a.m The update is available for download and starting later today It will be automatically installed on all systems running the latest version 10.13.1 Of Mac OS high Sierra. We greatly regret this error and we apologize to all Mac users both for releasing with this vulnerability And for the concern it has caused our customers deserve better We are auditing our development processes to help prevent this from happening again. He's That is unusual Apple talk Not speaking of the old Apple talk cable interface, but yeah You don't you don't hear that kind of thing from those guys very often And you know what they're totally right if this is super refreshing because that was a big glaring weird security bug that should not have shipped with that product and Because of that I wanted something like this and they gave it man I'm I'm I'm dutifully impressed by what what they've said here. That's weird for Apple I like how they managed to you know sincerely apologize and also brag that they patched it so quickly All right, this is kind of kind of freak out some people maybe not all of you Facebook now has a feature to curb suspicious activity on some of its accounts by using a face photo Captcha to verify if a user is in fact the person that they say they are before Unlocking access to the account some users have said they've actually been locked out and been forced to upload a photo To Facebook in order to get back in the prompt some users have seen says Please upload a photo of yourself that clearly shows your face will check it and then permanently delete it from our servers I Facebook spokesperson tells wired the photo test is just one of several methods both Automated and manual used to detect suspicious activity at various points of interaction on the site like creating an account Sending friend requests setting up ads payments and creating or editing ads themselves So if I get this right from from what Facebook has told wired and what what wired is saying in their article here It sounds like Facebook is trying to say when we see suspicious activity means you were Logging in from Hillsborough, Illinois Hillsborough, Illinois Hillsborough, Illinois St. Petersburg, Russia They're gonna go hold on that's you didn't get to Russia that fast. Give me your face And so this is all gonna hinge on how often it happens the fact that people are going to wait a minute This is weird probably means they were using a VPN, right? Maybe they were using a VPN that put them in the UK turned off the VPN and they're back in Utah and it goes Oh, hold on. That's weird. I've I've tripped it that way before by even just using a VPN that's in San Jose and then logging in back in Los Angeles I've tripped these kinds of things at other sites so I could see this happening to people because of that But I get what they're doing, which is when we think someone's hijacking your account We're gonna use facial recognition to do this and the system is very similar to The revenge porn system, which is give us a picture. We'll match it and then we'll delete it So you kind of have to trust that they're gonna do that This is quite a bit less sensitive since it's just a picture of you right at the moment well, there's probably a lot of opportunity for false positives right because There is an issue with Facebook of fake accounts being made like if somebody steals my photo and just says that that's their Profile photo, you know, what am I gonna do about it? I probably don't even know but if Facebook can detect well, hold on a second These are two different accounts two different people. That's the same photo You know, the system is is is likely to maybe boot a few people out who are completely legitimate users because They just had a photo that looked like another one that's in the system Yeah And you can't use a photo that Facebook already knows about to try to fool it if Facebook's like no that photo was already here Yeah, it has to be a photo of you at that moment or at least a photo Hold up your iPad with today's newspaper on it proof of life or you don't get back into Facebook Yeah, I think this all whether this ends up being a horrible thing or not kind of hinges on how often they use it right, right? Well, Microsoft is planning a big overhaul of its 500 acre HQ in Redmond Washington The company will demolish 12 buildings and build 18 more with the emphasis on more open offices What sorry open office Alternative Microsoft Thomas get it I'm glad we didn't finish here all week. Yeah, well done Construction will add around 2.5 million square feet to its existing 15 million It has on the campus which will accommodate an additional 8,000 employees The project will take five to seven years to complete and I don't suppose it's gonna be round or anything, right? They're not aiming for like Apple like changes. Probably not. I don't know I mean of the area of the Redmond headquarters as it stands now. There's nothing Nothing cylindrical about it Good work taking a Microsoft story making it about Apple that was a demon for that and I'm glad that you noticed That was my goal actually this time for once. I did it on purpose Well open office got to mention too. So we believe and for the five to seven of you out there Libra office I know it just didn't fit the joke. Okay It's kind of interesting because there's you know, so much talk about where's Amazon's next big headquarters going to be You know, it's it's you know, Amazon's in Seattle, but it's looking to expand elsewhere Redmond for anybody who isn't familiar as a suburb of Seattle So it's near but it's it's a suburb. It's kind of like Silicon Valley to San Francisco and You know as nice as a campus might be That's Microsoft really doubling down on the fact that they want people to be at that Redmond campus and you know, it Makes it difficult if somebody just doesn't want to live in Pacific Northwest Yeah, it appears they're not moving is what I might be right now and they've got offices in Silicon Valley They've got offices in Vancouver. Yeah, they've got offices all over This is this is just them doubling down on on the headquarters on the mothership home base Hey folks, if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in about five minutes Be sure to subscribe to daily tech headlines calm You can get it as a podcast you can get it on your Amazon echo as a flash briefing You can get it in your Google home and you can get it on the anchor app Get it or however you want but do get it at daily tech headlines dot com and that's a look at our top stories So a New York Times article from about a week ago by Susan Denarski Has been making the rounds and getting a lot of attention on our subreddit So we wanted to talk about some of the findings that she summarized She teaches and she has noticed that students with laptops Maybe don't do as well as students who take notes with pen and paper So she talked about three studies in this column one showed research from Princeton University and UCLA that Laptops during lectures decreased learning they asked a group of students to take notes at a lecture with pen and paper While another group used laptops and the laptop users showed less Comprehension of what was taught in the lectures now the theory there in this paper is that when you transcribe with pen and paper you have to think about what's being said and then Interpret it as you write it whereas if you're typing on a laptop you can just transcribe So you could just kind of take what you hear and turn it into exactly what the teacher is saying and you don't spend any time Interpreting it a couple other studies researchers at York University and McMaster University Had students look up unrelated items like movie times during a lecture to test distraction Not surprisingly those who were asked to do the distractions Remembered less of the lecture, but what they didn't expect or what they weren't sure they would find was that those sitting near them Were adversely affected too So if the person next to them was looking up movie times that distracted the person next to them It was an ancillary effect And then the United States Military Academy decided to test student achievements in an economics class over the entire course Sure Maybe one lecture causes a problem, but maybe the benefits of the laptop over the entire course would outweigh those Not according to this study electronics were allowed for some classes electronics were banned entirely for other classes and then they had a third test where they were allowed to have tablets in the Classroom, but they had to be laid flat on the desk so that the teacher could see what people were doing with them And students without access to devices at all the students in the banned electronics classes performed better than those other two groups So Scott, I know you've got a couple of of kids in college right now. Does this seem to bear out with their experience? Yeah But we didn't know why like I have a theory about this and I talked to my daughter about this a little bit Today over the phone so so we're gonna have this topic today we're gonna discuss this stuff and I'm curious what your experience has been and She believes that part of the reason she Performs better in class by taking handwritten notes and I'll be at some of those handwritten notes are on an iPad Pro Because she's taking notes in a digital art class where that thing sort of got a dual use to it And so sometimes she's painting on it. Sometimes she's doing notes or whatever, but she was hand-taking notes there And doing it on paper and other other methods and she thinks and I think I might agree with this and the study doesn't actually mention this but I think part of it is Not only are you having to sort of translate that information that the professor or the teacher is telling you and then get that on paper In a way that you can understand it that is an important part of the process But also how many times is that the last stage if you're writing on paper? You're not done usually usually what that means is later you're collecting those notes You're reading over them. You're scratching out stuff that didn't make sense You're circling something that was important and oftentimes you're then retranscribing those to some sort of digital document or a through a notebook or a computer and so you're having to once again go through the information in an analytical way and We sort of had this conversation that we think that that's why she seems to get better Personal results when she writes them down versus typing them down It's just a way of forcing you to have to live through the information a couple of times before you commit it to anything and I was in college with Nobody really had laptops. That's just the way it was back in the olden days But I have you know throughout my adulthood always felt that I really needed to like Have a to-do list, you know that I needed to make sense and really need to make sure that I got a bunch of stuff Done I needed to write it out, but I never really understood why it was like I don't know it's just the way that you know I'll put a pencil to the paper and make a letter or cursive or whatever But the study one of these studies anyway did shine a little light on this and it was the point that students with laptops tended to just transcribe what they were hearing and Then the students who were actually writing stuff out were like Summarizing and parsing more and that I was like, oh, yeah, because I can type way faster than I can write You know, I'm very fast taper So it's like sure you just kind you're just kind of like you're typing what you're hearing, right? And you figure like I'll look at that later. Maybe you do. Maybe you don't if you have to sort of think about it Like, okay, the teacher just said this sentence. What are the actually most important words in that sense that I need to write down So that I have the crux of the information Yeah, it's like you're going through two cycles of comprehension on site at that in real time so It's it's like, okay, that actually makes a lot of sense, but at face value I don't think a lot of people think oh typing is going to lead me to retain less information than writing But it sounds like that is very much the case Yeah, there's also I think anyway a feeling of like if I'm not typing it Then why did I buy this thing? You know what I mean? Like there's gonna be a desire on the students part forgetting about distractions of other sorts Like if you've got WhatsApp up and you're looking at Facebook at the same time and trying to keep notes If we're if we're just like in a vacuum here and the only app you have up is one that is taking notes for you if this study suggests and people are being told that your 600 to $1,200 investment Isn't benefiting you in a classroom situation in the way that you thought you were that's hard for people to hear You know, they don't want to hear that they want to hear that that thing's awesome And it's doing better for them and that they're you know advancing quicker because they've got their finger on technology when really our brains and our particular State of human evolution might Just be that we're better at when we when we put this stuff down with our hands and Have to look at it and then have to share it and move it around and it's a very tactile experience and Your daughters your daughters experience Scott Made me think the problem isn't the devices the problem is how we use them and that's usually the case with new tools Which is we have to get learn how to use them Maybe it's you should have to write things rather than type them Although that West Point, I'm sorry the the Military Academy Economics class that one That one seems to indicate that maybe the tablets weren't helpful But maybe people were typing instead of writing the point is you need to think interpret and summarize for it to sink in better Rather than transcribe and so there may be a way to use a laptop if you just like I'm gonna think interpret and summarize and then type You just have to learn a new skill. It's like don't just type everything the teacher saying sure I think probably there's probably room for another device in this in this world and they exist you can go buy these now Amazons got various kinds. I've seen kick starters for them They're but they're basically dedicated writing tablets sometimes drawing but mostly writing and They're eating typically is the technology being used Low latency blah blah blah and these things are a couple hundred bucks or whatever if those could come down in price Imagine a $50 Tablet whose job it is to do nothing else but take notes. That's it Write stuff down and that thing's cloud connected and maybe it's OCR into your notebook Or maybe it's all these other cool connected features But at the moment when the teacher is telling you the stuff and you've got to figure out You know the the why this part of the body is called whatever in your biology class You can do it in the old way with all the new hooks and maybe let me ask you a question Any of you ever used like tape recorders or like a recording like and all I was thinking about that same thing That's what I used to do. I used to have one and this is the other thing to kind of I don't want to take up too much time to kind of Go on what Sarah was saying you do write a lot slower and a consequence of that is I would often Stop The lecture or not I would ask the professor of the lectures like oh, can you repeat that or I would ask for Clarification so I wasn't just mindlessly writing. I'm like, okay. What exactly are you trying to say? Let me ask you a question to get clarity and then I can write it down in a way that makes sense Which you might not do if you are just simply transcribing if you record it You usually listen to it later and take notes out of it, right or you review whereas if you're just transcribing on your laptop You feel like oh, okay. I got it all down, you know, and you just didn't do as much or you just copy and pasting You're just moving it from one paragraph to the other and I really think about it Like what we're missing is that middle study part I think and here's the other worry So if if college campuses and classes are used to notebooks being the norm in class or these kinds of devices and it's not working great The way it is it's also going to be a bit of a retrain for these professors and teachers to slow down a little because Unless you're super good at shorthand writing That's different than typing people can type quicker than they can write. I know I can so you know It just changes the dynamic in there. It's very interesting though because it's something you just think oh computers Here we are everybody computers welcome to the computer time, but maybe we do is ruining the minds of kids You just got to get good at it you got it not you got got fall for the trap There's new temptations. The old temptation was to fall asleep now. It's new Thanks to everybody participates in our subreddit You can submit stories and vote on them at daily tech news show dot reddit dot com and a facebook dot com Slash group slash daily tech news show. This was a great example of something kicking around on our reddit That we like. Yeah, that's a really interesting kind of evergreen topic. We want to talk about that. Let's check What's in the mailbag Sarah? We got an email from William Madison who says it's been a bit of praise for the new version of Mozilla Firefox 57 well I updated to the current version, but then after I installed it Firefox notified me that my screen reader JAWS 18 by Freedom Scientific Was not supported and I'd need to install the extended access version that would just revert me back to Firefox 52 It's disappointing since Firefox or IE or the preferred recommended browsers to use with JAWS And yes, I'm running the current version Just wanted to put this developer service announcement to the community to encourage developers to consider the consequences of The code that they're writing think outside of your standard use case Universal design and thoughtful consideration will enable you to be effective in your development and your design. Yeah both ways You know if you're still supporting Firefox and IE JAWS You might need to add some support for newer things But then the newer things need to understand that that they need to have forward support For for the older stuff, especially accessibility stuff. Thank you, William. And real quickly Paul Boyer wrote in and said you guys mentioned the new sets thing from Microsoft I ironically Our software arm where I work just released something similar Better in his opinion. He works there. You might want to check it out yourself He works for Stardoc but in the games division and he says all I did on this was icon So full disclosure and all but I've been surprised how useful it turns out to be So if you're like, I don't know about that sets thing being built into Windows Maybe I want an alternative. Check out Stardoc. Stardoc's been around forever and they do great stuff And they've got their own little tabs in in apps situation that you can try out at stardoc.com Thank you, Paul aka more Miguel and thank you Scott Johnson for joining us. What you got going on these days? 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You're right. Let all think about it. It was a really good show Um, it's kind of funny because I remember taking one of those Section three courses and I had one of my class a section three course At state you basically have like three sections one is your major About the second one is third was like you had to these were basically required courses that were not directly related to your major So I wanted you to be well rounded. Gotcha. Okay, so stuff you had to take A lot of people took sexual human sexuality. I did But I had a course I Remember taking a course and one of my classmates was deaf and she had a Sonographer they came in to take her notes and all I did is like hey, can I borrow your notes? Because it was the best because she typed everything word for word And then I got the but then you had to read them and process them because you were reading them No, I just sat there paid attention asked a bunch of questions and then looked back All the notes and then you just had better notes than the ones. Yeah, just have a class stenographer I mean really I think that would be awesome. I wonder if states still has that class, you know a lot of I know I think Dave the psychologist still does this records his Lectures and makes them available to his students as podcasts so they can go back and review them. I remember taking the telecourse Remember taking remember those you would have to go in each week and take the VHS tape out of the library and watch it I mean taking notes isn't about getting the information down That's why you the stenographer is just it's a different thing taking notes is about Making sure to tell yourself later. These are the important things you learned to remind you of that And that's why the temptation on a laptop to just transcribe probably isn't having as good of an effect right because You're you're you're just you're you're becoming the stenographer instead of actually listening and understanding and going Okay, the thing I need to remember these three points I would say turn the way Ill and active course and my my point was that you can do that on a laptop It just takes a little more discipline not to suddenly like oh, I can I can transcribe so I'm gonna You know, I was thinking about this because you know, like I said before I didn't have an option to have a laptop in college, but But I also took a lot of math because I started out as a math major Mm-hmm and so my first couple of years it's a you know And when you're doing like equations like everyone's got their own way of doing it, right? Yeah, yeah, so it's like typing it is not you don't that's not really the way it works and I guess, you know with tablets particularly bigger tablets that would be the way to go You know because you could still write all that stuff out, but That you know, it also depends it's like what kind of notes are we taking here, you know What what what kind of characters do we need to jot down whether it's typing or written or whatever? Well the a lot of a lot of software Has shortcuts for equations that make it easy Oh, see that would have just killed that would ruin me because I mean that was you know Writing out numbers and you know stuff where you got a you know prove it and just like there was a sort of a certain way That it kind of had to look you know, it was sort of scaled on the page at a certain pace I just cannot imagine retaining any of that information if I had little shortcuts. I mean, yes there were calculators and that sort of thing but I don't know it just It's also just I just remember college one way, you know I can't really imagine doing it any differently than the way that we all did it so Titles Facebook literally wants your face. That's what I'm going with I was I was actually running through because you guys were having such a good That's a good one Facebook wants your face Well cryptocurrency did not have a good day everyone. Oh, yeah, where's Bitcoin end up? I know it was above 11k at one point Ethereum was down at 402 last I checked. Let's see a theory Nancy people invested in theory. I'm just a plain Bitcoin guy So, you know, it's not that well Yeah, oh, I love all the all the all the weird ones. Wait, what's what was a bit coin again? I didn't hear you 98 and some change 98 oh it went below 10 Did so it went up above 11 and then went below 10 Well, I don't know I'm gonna have to think about what I think will happen to Bitcoin next year We'll have our predictions show on December 29th Yeah, you should start putting some thought into what your prediction. I wonder Hmm, I'll have to mull that over over the next 30 days with some mulled wine Mulled wine Yeah, it's mulled wine season. Here's the problem Mulled wine is so nice if you're you know, it's snowing outside and you're smart In LA, you don't want to drink that You don't want mulled wine gonna sweat Yeah, it occasionally gets cold for first December I was down here. I mean, it gets cold enough to drink tea It's not in hot flat, but I just got down in the 30s the first December. I was here. Did it really? Yeah People were freaking out. They're like definitely Cold last winter there were definite because I have like the heating in my apartment is not great Usually it's never an issue, but there were definitely a few nights around like need another blanket. It's cold in here But but but like being and you know Paris drinking mulled wine. Oh, yeah Everybody's you know wrapped up and freezing is just the past. Well Paris is great because it never gets that cold Oh, it's never gonna go. It's never gonna go like below zero Fahrenheit in But it's gonna get enough that you're gonna be like, oh, it's it's uncomfortable outside without a coat for sure It I've been there where it's like Like you were there when it's snowed, which I think is rare, isn't it? What's that? I remember you talking about it snowing in Paris when you were there Yeah, the last time I was there in the winter and this was a few years ago, but it was And I was in an Airbnb that did not have good heat either. And so it was just like basically I'm doing I'm doing and I was just miserable for a week Never warmed up Relativism is killing my point because people like what do you tell beat masters like it gets very cold I'm not saying it doesn't get cold. I'm saying there's a floor to it, right? It's not the coldest place in Europe. That's for sure But I've been there where I'm like I can't be outside my face hurts this sucks and Then you go have mold wine and your nose hairs don't freeze in Paris would be my assertion The what doesn't your nose hairs well fountains did the last time yeah, but that's that's just freezing Nose hairs freezing is like oh Kind of free. I don't I don't want to think about that. Yeah They have nose plugs for that there is I've told the story before so I apologize if you've heard it, but There was a point when I was walking home from Murphy's pub in Champaign, Illinois Across the quad with the wind Sweeping across the plains and my nose hairs freezing because it was below zero Fahrenheit and I said I will never live in a cold place again after I leave college and I went to Texas and then California My only wintery Christmas has been in New Jersey in New York With the snow and the cold and like oh my god Please let me get inside a building with there's heat in a fireplace Scott. You're just laughing at all of us. Aren't you sorry? No, I'm not but I would never laugh at you guys Chuckle I really do like I I don't know the cold weather is just I gotta go somewhere else to experience it I mean even in San Francisco where it gets colder than LA is like not cold but But there is something really nice about having a bundle up, you know It's cool for like a short while You know spending a winter, you know being cold all the time. I know that's like not fun for most people, but I It just is it's very it's like it's like a special like oh I get to take my wool coat out and you know No, there's something there's something fun about it when it doesn't last right there's something nice You're not inside with a warm drink. There's something like oh, I'm gonna run out in the cold and then get in the car And then go to a warm place When you have to actually be out in the cold, that's when it all then snow is something you should visit willingly and not have visited on You unwillingly well said I was actually talking to the guy at the UPS store yesterday about he lived in Idaho for a year He's like and he was working, you know, just trying to find jobs and stuff and just how cold When you're outside working in the middle of the winter in Idaho I mean when you're bummed up it just cuts through you Just remember I remember shoveling snow one winter and I had these st. Louis Cardinals football gloves that were knit and I loved them right because they had the St. Louis Cardinals logo here and they you know and they were cool looking and my dad's like are you sure you want to shovel snow with Those I'm like yeah, man. I'm shoveling with the st. Louis Cardinals gloves is gonna be great And of course they just got soaked right so I have my go inside put my hands by the heater to heat them up Then I go back outside and then shoveling and of course they turned to ice because I melted the snow on them and made them in little ice mittens It's the worst. I'm surprised I didn't get frostbite Somebody told me once because I had like gone out and it was I don't know where I was Somewhere where it's freezing cold outside. My hair was kind of still wet And so it had gotten like crunchy and they were like, oh, it'll just you know If you hit it the wrong way, it'll just break right off Which not true, but I believed them and I thought that I was getting myself a haircut Of that snow humor ha ha ha the best. That's no joke. Oh Bested once again by the merit pun is best the word you were looking for Right, yeah, I know I guess I to be bested I had to try also and it had to be good and I mean, I think if you're the only one who throws out a pun you bested the rest at punning perhaps Facebook wants your face I'm still so curious as to what happened with that file today Oh, yeah, the daily tech headlines file. So what Sarah is referring to is Daily tech headlines uploaded as usual nothing changed Same Sarah Lane file you got last week and for some reason it wouldn't show up in apple podcasts or pocketcasts And we have no idea why and I wouldn't have known except a couple people in our in our dTNS slack We're like what happened like I saw it on the anchor app But I didn't see it, you know where I usually do and so of course Anchors a different forgotten something. Yeah anchors a different recording. So that makes sense But yeah worked on amazon echo flash briefing. It worked on downcast like Why did it work there and not so the solution was switch the link from soundcloud to archive.org which doesn't make any sense either It doesn't yeah, because I mean it's you know because still same file And that's and tom is sort of like well, you know, I wonder if like you know, he's some in your settings and it's like Well, the weird thing about that is What I do is I open the same Audio file in logic week after week. I delete my vocal track and then I just lay down a new track You know, so the music and stuff is in the same place You know, and then I just move around a little bit and then I I bounced to mp3 And I never I never fussed with anything in those settings. So it's like There's a ghost in my machine It was sting's fault But I just don't because I know people Uh, particularly, you know Folks who are not on the west coast, you know, it's like you want your headlines as quickly as possible So I just hate someone to be like, hey, I've been looking around. Where is it where I'm like, I rushed it this morning for you So when when you told when you alerted me about it I was like, oh It's probably just a simple like check mark didn't get checked or something So I go and look everything in the blog post is perfect. I'm like, okay Well, wasn't that so I'm like what maybe there's something weird in the settings because we hadn't talked through the fact that you're like No, I haven't changed a thing. So I look at the refresh the Hertz rate and the bit rate and like Some of these are slightly different from what I do, but they're not wrong They they should play and they've played before So it's not that um And then the last thing I did was like, okay, well, maybe Maybe there's something with soundcloud And the soundcloud link just isn't playing nice So that's why I switched to archive because I'm like archive does some processing Maybe that'll change the file and it worked but The only thing now that I'm thinking about it is The only thing is that last week Weirdly I recorded the whole thing because I used my this my hyal mic Yeah, somebody had said, yeah, sarah was popping her peas on this other mic that I usually use just for headlines And the hyal just like, okay, I'll use this one yeah peas and uh, so I used this one and I wasn't wearing headphones when I recorded and when I played it back I it was only in one So I was like, ah, you know, how did I do that? Like did I like? You know, so I kind of did a little funny work around to make it stereo-ish Yeah, but that's but then but then again, that's just not in the encoding though. That was just no That's just like in logic itself logic is Mystery never use it. It's not logical It's not that's for sure But then this week because I remembered that that happened I made you know, I checked all my settings and I had it right before I recorded so like No say No, no say well I I'm going to have to bid you all adieu now as our scott and sarah and roger have a safe and lovely Waits day as I call it because it's the day I weigh myself every week Really you're committed, man Hey, um real quick Uh I'm afraid to should I stop the broadcast or Actually, you know what we could totally just talk about this offline. We don't need to talk about right now. That's cool. All right Well, you're gonna wonder what it is. We'll tell you Tomorrow, maybe maybe we'll forget. We'll probably forget. Goodbye