 Today, I want to welcome back to the show Randall Carlson and Matthew LaCroy. Randall Carlson is a master builder and architectural designer, teacher, geometrician, geomethologist, geological explorer, and independent scholar. He has nearly five decades of study, research and exploration into the interface between ancient mysteries and modern science. He has been an active freemason for 43 years and is a past master of one of the oldest largest masonic lodges in Georgia. His work incorporates ancient mythology, astronomy, earth science, paleontology, symbolism, sacred geometry, and architecture, geomancy, and other arcane and scientific traditions. Matthew LaCroy is a passionate writer and researcher who grew up exploring the outdoors of northern New England. After college, he began studying ancient civilizations, philosophy, quantum mechanics, and history. His focus became uncovering and connecting the esoteric teachings from the secret societies and ancient cultures that disappeared long ago. He is author of two books and a writer and researcher at GAIA. He is currently co-writing his third major book with Billy Carson entitled The Epic of Humanity. Randall and Matthew, welcome. How are you gentlemen doing? Well, I can't speak for Matt, but it would appear that he's doing quite well. I am as well. So I'm fired up for a good conversation. I'm looking forward to seeing what Matt has to present tonight. I'm going to be presenting some data because Randall and I are data-driven people, and I'm very, very excited to be here, Chris. Thank you so much for hosting this. I just want to say that Randall, it's truly an honor to speak to you to the highest degree. You're one of the greatest inspirations that led me on this path. So to be able to have a discussion with you is truly an honor tonight. Well, thanks, Matt. I do appreciate that. Yes. What can I say? I'm humbled. That's all I can say. What I can say is this discussion is going to be epic. Like Matthew said, he's going to be presenting his data in theories on some of the things that could have caused the disappearance of advanced megalithic civilizations and the cyclical cataclysms that may have been connected with the massive resets of our past. Now, this information may differ a bit from Randall's theories, and we're definitely going to get his thoughts and insights into that information, and I'm going to be asking some questions along the way that I have as well. I'm extremely excited for this, and like I said earlier, I'm ready to have my brain melted out of my ears. So I know that both of you agree that it was most likely these cataclysms, many have probably occurred throughout the ages, but most of them have been most likely caused by causes that are cosmic in nature, but the causes that you research might be a little different. And I want to get into, Matt, your theories on what you think may have been connected with these cyclical resets. Thank you, and thank you, Randall, for letting me present some of this. And please, please challenge me on any of the data that I'm presenting, and we can go into this discussion because you're an extremely well-versed and intelligent person, and I admittedly have holes in areas of, I'm not a physicist, so there's areas that you can please chime in and maybe correct me if there's a better way to say something, or if there's something that I said that's inaccurate. Because in the end of the day, we're coming to a time when it's the age of information and truth is returning, like the ancients used to hold most dear to them was this idea of knowledge, shown around the world through the symbol of the serpent and the metamorphosis of the great feathered serpent into the dragon. And we are returning to the knowledge of those secret societies that eventually became largely disappeared or corrupted and remained in some small areas, like the Freemasons and some others, where we're trying to gain that back again. Because it seems we're certainly in this age where of this very dumbed-down, very antiquated perspective of when we try to understand everything in our reality, everything in the cosmos and what the part that we play in all of this. And really, when you leave high school and college, you think you know everything, and really you're just been largely indoctrinated into just certain key concepts to give you an idea of it, but you don't get any of the fill, you don't get any of the interesting aspects of what makes all this exciting. And I know that Reynolds probably had countless people telling the same thing is that when you look at megalithic ancient lost civilizations and catastrophes throughout time and the sophistication that those cultures around the world, whether it's the Americas, Egypt, the Turkey, the Middle East, through Iran and right down into India and all these incredible temples around the world or get the China with the Yangshen Kori that has the largest single megalithic block in the world. All around the world, we find that those civilizations in many ways, not perhaps not on a technological level, but on an understanding of sacred geometry and the energy lay lines of the earth and the cosmic connection with everything, they were on a level that we are simply not at. And that's why these mysteries remain with how these blocks were moved, how they were built, why they were built, why civilizations will go sometimes over a thousand miles just to obtain a specific type of material. You look at the Karnak temple in Egypt and with the travertine block that's present there, that multi-ton block, which is the nearest quarry where travertine can be found is over a thousand miles away in Turkey. So we have to start asking yourself questions on whether these civilizations knew tremendous amounts of knowledge that we simply don't know anymore that's been lost over these periods of cyclical catastrophes that seems like every time one of those occurs, we lose more and more knowledge, not gaining more and more knowledge. And that's why understanding the ancient past is so critically important because that's where many of these answers remain. And so we simply have to, like Randall said, we have to restructure our education system and come together as a unified people to all have this commonality goal of reaching these higher states of consciousness by coming together and learning the ancient knowledge of the past and applying the knowledge that we have obtained through technology today. And that's how we can create that paradigm reaching the golden age and reaching this next cycle of our story. And so there's a lot there. And Chris, I don't know if you want me to, Randall, if I don't know if you want to say anything on that before we go into some of the reasons behind this and some of that, some of the evidence behind why these civilizations seem to have been destroyed, but just let me know. Sure. No, I could interject thoughts as we go along here, but I don't want to break your train of thought. You're on a good roll there. And I should actually be making a few notes here. But I'll just say this, we're looking at events here and phenomena that is mysterious, that is awesome, that is stuff that's really almost like outside the traditional, the recent paradigms of thinking about Earth history. And so it, and obviously the point here is that the Earth history and the history of civilization on the Earth are completely coupled together. You can't, and this has been something that's sort of been a bone of contention to historians and archaeologists and so on that, you know, whether you're talking about an environmental or a climatic determinism, and they've not wanted to go there. But I think it's clear at this point that the evidence does support the conclusion that civilizations have succumbed repeatedly to a variety of events. And I'm sort of of the mind that, you know, it's just like, you know, the elder priest told Solon in Plato's dialogues that, you know, there have been many causes. Exactly. And what I was saying in early when I, my first comments was that I think that in some cases these causes are connected, you know, because we can now explain mega-scale flooding as a result of impacts into the ocean, into an ice sheet. We can also explain the ignition of tremendous, maybe continent-wide fires that, you know, so you've now got the, you know, the two ends of the spectrum where you have the cataclysmos in the Greek terminology, the destruction of the world by water, and you've got the echaruses, which is the destruction of the world by fire. But we can understand that in the case of a major bolide impact, you could have both. But that may not be the only thing. You know, I'm not, I haven't ruled out that the sun plays a very important role, and that we may only be beginning to understand how truly variable the sun is. And then we have to be thinking in terms of the whole heliosphere and its interaction with the Earth's geomagnetic field and what that implies, because if the intensity of the heliosphere is interrupted, that means more cosmic ray bombardment. And then we got to get into, well, what causes, what are the sources of cosmic rays? And so, yeah, I mean, we're looking at a whole broad spectrum of phenomena that I think is all interrelated and interconnected. And maybe in the grossest level, the end product may be that there's an enhanced flux of encounters between Earth and swarms of bolides. I think that's part of it. But we're also looking at some phenomena that may be just purely energetic. You know, we might be talking about, I mean, who knows, I haven't looked into this, so this would be just purely science fiction speculation on my part, but you know, ripples in the space-time continuum or some such thing. But I'm not going to go that metaphysical yet, because right now I'm still thinking about rocks falling out of the sky, okay? Yeah. Okay. So with that comment, I'm going to take a breath and let's dive into your research there, Matt. Okay. And I love how you, you're so open to the idea that it's these events seem to be multiple reasons why, and they may be all related. And some may be heavily emphasized on cosmic impacts from objects, and then others could be related to something else. And that's what the something else is where I want to bring in some of my data. And so Chris, I guess, if you're okay with me just taking it away. Yeah, go for it. I'm going to start by, as Randall said, very, very well. And he discusses, and I love this, the idea that these catastrophes, this order of magnitude, the idea that we look around the world at these, at these almost like small events that are happening, right? A volcano goes off in Italy, and then everyone's freaking out because lava gets near a town. And then you have a devastating earthquake somewhere right on, like a seven or an eight. And you get a lot of destruction because humans are all over the planet. But really what we're talking about here, as Randall has coined, the order of magnitude for these events that we've studied through everything from charred levels of soil around the world at certain points that can be tracked with their age to the ice core samples taken from Greenland, looking at what the snapshot of what the Earth's climate was over the last 20,000 years to everything from cosmic impact impacts that are still historically around the world, and things like vitrification, which we're going to get into too on some of these megalithic sites where what we're looking at is these ancient civilizations that go back well over 12, 13,000 years. I'm on the mindset when I study this that they go back over 50,000 years when we look at like, for instance, we know, as Randall said, when Solon met with the temple priests of Sace in Egypt, and they discussed that there have been multiple catastrophes on the earth, we find out a date for when Atlantis was destroyed, as in this myth that is contended as not being a real and it's some kind of an allegory or metaphor, we find out, well, no, actually, Atlantis was destroyed 9,000 years before Plato existed, which falls right into the Younger Dryas impact time period, which is extremely interesting, because then you start to tie in that with the ancient Sumerian indicating the Babylonian stories of a great deluge, you get into the stories from the ancient Viracotians of Peru, when they talk about these catastrophes that occurred there, and you get into the stories, ancient flood stories from China and Japan, and nearly every one of these areas in the world where we can identify this incredibly sophisticated megalithic structures on these lower levels where what we find on top is so much more primitive, we start to set, we start to have to ask the question of, number one, how many civilizations have come, not hunter-gatherer nomadic groups, but when the rise of civilization occurred with the sophistication found through things like animal husbandry and agriculture and metallurgy and the written word and all these things that have come along, once that happened, and it's contended to when that happened, but I do think that it did happen in Sumer, but when that happened, how many of those civilizations rose up and then were destroyed nearly, and then another culture came and found those ruins, like in a place like Machu Picchu, you can go into the indigenous stories on how the actual, what we think of as the Inca emerged likely out of the Amazon rainforest after some of these catastrophes that occurred, and they found Machu Picchu covered in jungle and completely in ruins, and then they tried to mimic and build on top of those structures, and that's why you see such distinctive masonic and stone masonry work in those places, and I think what's interesting is that Machu Picchu, which I'll be visiting in July, presents one of the best compelling pieces of data that shows that there's been at least three different civilizations, because what we find in the areas of the royal palace in the center of Machu Picchu, the Torion, we find this area of incredible megalithic architecture, precision like we find all around Peru on the lower most levels, and then right above it, as Brian Forrester has discussed often, there's this slightly smaller megalithics building we find on top that seems in a very small gap, almost like it only occurred in a small amount of time, and then you have the masonry we find from the classical Inca, which is more like a mortar type of aspect with small stones and cobbles, showing that there have been three civilizations there, and when you look at stories like in the Maya and the Aztec, they describe how we're in this age of how there have been civilizations that have come and gone and we're in like the fourth or fifth time period of these catastrophes of civilizations rising up and falling, and instead of thinking that it's only been like one before us, we're looking at multiple ones. Now, how far of a gap did those exist before they were destroyed repeatedly, and how far back does that whole story go, and once we can determine that, we can figure out when these cyclical catastrophes occur on a regular basis, and I'm of the opinion that the purpose behind gobekli tepi mapping or the main purpose behind having a cosmic library that maps out the zodiacal great year of the earth is that they knew when those events would occur, and I think that they were planning for them, and the evidence behind that is because they buried gobekli tepi before these catastrophes came through, in my opinion in order to protect that library, because I think they knew they were forewarned and had an understanding that those events occurred, and I think every time those have happened, the civilizations have had less and less knowledge that those things were going to occur, and so that's where I really want to get into. Yeah, go ahead, Randall. Well, you know, what you're saying is that's without actually having data driven, it's purely speculative, but that's precisely what I had speculated, because you know, having one of the things that I've studied is nuclear deterrent technologies and nuclear strategies, not so much lately, but really a lot heavily in the 80s particularly, and you know, then I realized as I started looking at cosmic impact phenomena that there was a lot that we had learned about detonations in the atmosphere and detonations underground from all the nuclear testing that applied directly to our understanding of what occurs when an object say, for example, something like the 1908 Tunguska object comes in and explodes five miles up in the atmosphere and what it does in terms of pressure waves, thermal pulse, all of that kind of stuff, and it doesn't have, it's very similar to a nuclear weapon detonation without the radiation that you would find, the radiation signature that you would find with a nuclear like isotopes. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. So in any case, you know, when we went from going to a mutual assert destruction scenario to a survivability scenario, that's when they began to harden all of the command and control centers and missile silos, and of course, what did, what did they do with the missile silos to protect them from the surface blast? They put them, they bury them basically, and so I within that framework of thinking, I had concluded basically almost to precisely the same idea that it was buried and this could be to protect it not only from the blast effects but from radiation as well. So if there was radiation involved and we, one of the things I'm studying right now trying to learn more about is what we now know about what happens atmospherically when you have a major impact event. We do know from the Tunguska event that it caused some pretty major fluctuations in the ozone and a multiple impact event may temporarily deplete the ozone in the atmosphere to the point where cosmic ray bombardment increases by an order of magnitude or more. That's interesting. I've never heard of that. Okay. Yeah. So that's, you know, this is stuff I've been considering and you know, at this point, catastrophism is really is still in its infancy. You know, we've been straightjacketed into this gradualistic model, this uniformity model, you know, for century and a half, it's been the dominant model of earth change and it's been very valuable, very powerful, very insightful, but it's only half the equation. Yeah, exactly. The other half is that yeah, there's this other mode and it involves short lived periods of extremely accelerated change. And so we have to look where within those very short episodes, you may have factor of 10 or 100 or 1000 times the rate of change that you find during normal times. So yeah, I had come to that same idea that maybe go back to Tepi was buried specifically to protect it from catastrophic events. The first thing, of course, it came to my mind was a blast, a la Tunguska kind of event, but also then, yeah, radiation as well. And there may be more dimensions to it. I don't know. That's as far as I've taken my thinking at this point, though. So I would tend to agree with you, Matt, I think that's a high contender for a possible explanation for why it's buried. Okay. Well, we know astrology is extremely important to the ancients. It was encoded in almost every ancient text, including the Bible, and they apparently knew the stars way better than we do now. But what exactly did they know? Did they know about a specific cataclysm? Did they know about a specific cycle? And I know, Matt, you have some theories about what it could possibly have been more specifically than we've discussed before, right? Yeah. And this is some cutting edge stuff. And I don't know if Randall knows some of this. And so I'm not because he doesn't know a lot, but this is something that's very obscure. And it's something that I've spent a couple of years studying and really digging into. And I would love to get his opinions on it. And I want to present some of this and we can look at it. Like Randall said, it seems like the common theme here. And yeah, don't pull that up quite yet, Chris. It seems like the common theme here is that these civilizations likely knew about these cycles of catastrophe that come through. And they knew that the most important thing that they could do is protect knowledge, right? So you look at the story of Egypt and you look at other civilizations, were those created out of things like the Atlantic civilization? Because they knew that there was a catastrophe that was going to destroy their civilization. And so they went out and they created these libraries and mystery schools and these initiates traveled around the world. And then they created civilizations in order to protect that knowledge. We certainly see that with symbols like the pine cone and the handbag like symbol that we see in Gobekli Tepe, pillar 43, we see in all across ancient Sumer, Akkadian and Babylon, of these symbols being this knowledge being passed to a king and a priest. We see it with the Olmec in La Venta, Mexico, with the exact same symbols of passing this knowledge and creating these civilizations in a certain image. And so what I'm going to be presenting and discussing is that first and foremost, I absolutely think that there have been many, many cosmic impacts throughout Earth's history. I just want to throw that out there. Absolutely. I'm not trying to say that this is the only thing that's happened at all. I'm simply saying that I believe that this is the primary factor on why it seems like I believe that there have been cyclical catastrophes somewhere between every 13,000 and every 20,000 years is where my data has shown me that these have happened. And we get that data from some very, very brave astronomers. I don't know if Randall's ever heard of Robert Harrington and Thomas Van Flandern, but both of those individuals were studying outer objects, outer objects impacting our solar system and how those impacts might have some kind of a timetable on when they occur. And I want to point out that both of those men mysteriously died in the middle of their work, and they were both highly revered astronomers. Robert Harrington was the head of the U.S. Navy astronomy program, looking at all of this. And Thomas Van Flandern was a very famous physicist and astronomer that was actually working with Robert Harrington on some of the things that I'm about to present right now. And so what we're going to do is we're going to go into some data, some hard data right now. And I can't wait for Randall to get his Randall's opinion on it. So go ahead, Chris. And I want you to pull up the image that I shared. And I want to go and get a little bit of, give a little background on what this is. So in the late 1970s and the early 1980s, NASA was really, they were concerned and curious about why it seemed like the entire ecliptic of our solar system seemed to be tilted on its axis, especially the outer planets of Uranus and Neptune, and things like Pluto being thrown out in the middle of nowhere. There seemed to be some very strange aspect to this where something was interacting with the entire inner solar system. And that's the other thing that I want to bring up is we have to understand that there's an inner solar system and an outer solar system, and that's largely separated by the Kuiper Belt. And as Randall pointed out, beyond that, we have the Oort cloud. Now, in that aspect of us studying our inner solar system, there are still incredibly open-ended questions and considerations when we look at the outer solar system. We know very little about it. Number one, no man, no person has ever been beyond the moon and Mars seems like the furthest we can really get. And of course, we've sent probes, and that's really where a lot of this data is going to be coming from. So when NASA was looking at, well, what is causing these perturbations and this axial tilt to the entire solar system and all these objects, they were very curious. And so what they did is they sent two probes out in 1983, known as Pioneer 10 and 11. And they sent them out in completely different directions. Pioneer 11 didn't find anything. So it became something that's not really important. But Pioneer 10 was sent out into the outer solar system. And what Pioneer 10 found, I firmly believe, is one of the most critical aspects that has actually turned into quite a huge conspiracy in my mind on what is actually out in the outer solar system because of the implications that it has for these cycles of these destruction of civilizations and how it's also going to impact our current civilization now. And so I'm going to go ahead and discuss this for a little while. And then I'm really excited to hear some of Randall's thoughts on this because I don't think he's ever seen this image. And if he has, that's great. So what this is, is if you were to go search online right now, and you were to say, oh, I'm actually really curious about what Pioneer 10 found, you will find that the internet is literally scrubbed of information. It's all gone. Okay. What's weird about that is in the 1990s, I think it was 1993, it was somewhere around 1993, 1995, NASA actually came up with a press announcement. I don't know if anyone remembers this, but they said they discovered a super massive planet that existed beyond the Kuiper Belt that was four to five times the Earth size. That was actually the quote that they gave where they said they found this object out there that was four to five times the size of Earth way beyond the Kuiper Belt. And of course, I am just to throw, to be very clear, I am not a Zechariah efficient supporter in his work, and I'm not talking about anything like a Nibiru aspect of all this. This comes from something that these objects do, I don't believe interact with the inner solar system in a way, in a physical way. I think it's an energetic way. And that's what I want to be very clear about because you would have to essentially pass through the Kuiper Belt and all these things. Well, at the same time, Caltech in the 90s started studying the Kuiper Belt with objects like comets and asteroids that seem to have a really strange ecliptical orbit, just like our solar system did. These really weird orbital tracks that don't follow the models of what we think would occur with having a single star in our solar system. Now, what I want to add to that to understand that people know is that in our understanding of the Milky Way galaxy and the universe, 80% of all star systems are binary, and a lot of them are trinary or more. I mean, in the Pleiadian star cluster, there are more than 800 stars. So what we're talking about is the common aspect is that when you have a star cluster in a solar system form, most of the time there's at least two stars that form in a system. This is the most understood aspect. Now, we look at our studying of our solar system, and then we're told in school that we have a single star known as our sun, and that there's really nothing to worry about in the outer solar system. Everything's focused on the inner solar system. But what I've come and looked at is that that's really not the case at all. And this is exactly what Robert Harrington and Thomas Van Flanden were studying. This is what I believe that something nefarious occurred with them, because as soon as Robert Harrington and Thomas Van Flander died, their work was considered mathematical in calculations. That's what the term was, that they came along, and it was all their work was simply mathematical in calculations, miscalculations, I should say. And so everyone said, oh, okay. So that planet that they announced that was four to five times the earth beyond the Kuiper Belt, I guess that's not really there. And I guess all these other things aren't really there either. But what I've come to discover is that what Pioneer 10 found is what may be one of the greatest secrets ever kept from humanity right now. And I say that in a really honest way, and I'm not trying to embellish that statement at all, because I believe that it may be one of the greatest factors in all of these catastrophes. So let me explain this just a little bit. So Pioneer 10 goes out, and it finds all this stuff, and then you go online, you search for, and it's all scrubbed, there's no information about what Pioneer 10 found. It's almost like it didn't find anything. So I started doing some digging, and I found out that there's only one place that exists on the internet where the data from Pioneer 10 was ever kept. And it's in the 1987 Science and Invention Encyclopedia, and that's what you're looking at with this image on the screen right now. And I wanted this image up there so people don't just listen to me and think that I'm making all this up. So to me, well, what happened? Well, page 2488, there's a description talking about space in general. It talks about the outer solar system. It talks about Pioneer just a little bit in terms of how they sent a probe out and those things like that. But it has this image, this depiction that has the most phenomenal things that it depicts, and then it doesn't talk about it at all. It doesn't even mention one thing about this, and yet the image remains. So you have to come to the conclusion that they were told to not talk about it, but somehow the image was left there. And in 1987, before computers were really a big thing, that was the source of information. So these volumes have existed. Someone, people had them in their basement from 1987, and someone uploaded this image. Now it took me months and months and months and months to find a high definition image of this. This is a PDF that I was able to obtain after very, very extensive searching. And this is like over six months of searching that to find this, because it's almost like people were photocopying or scanning it in, you know, because there was a few people out there that did like see this and were like, whoa, whoa, wait a minute, right? What is this? And I finally found a PDF of it. And the first thing I did was upload it to my website. And that's what you're looking at right now is my website, the stage of time, because I want this to be known by the world and to be preserved. I don't want this to be lost because it's all we have left. It's all we have left of what Pioneer 10 found. Now I want to just briefly tell what it found. And then we can get into the effects of it because I want to have Randall jump in, but then I also want to discuss my theories behind how this impacts the entire galactic plane of our solar system. Okay. So it goes out beyond the Kuiper Belt, right? And it's able to, it has a way to identify signatures of objects, because a lot of these things are dark, right? This planet that they found, which is what announced at NASA had announced in the 1990s, they're very hard to see. In fact, a lot of times you can only see them if they pass in front of another object and create a shadow. Whereas in this case, Pioneer 10 was actually designed to detect these objects using things like infrared and other aspects that detect heat, latent heat and other kinds of signatures from these objects. So what does it find? At this time in 1983, it finds a planet 4.7 billion miles away that is four to five times the size of Earth. Okay. And the outer solar system behind the Kuiper Belt. And then what does it find? The greatest secret, I think, of all time, a dead star 50 billion miles out. Now, when I started looking at this, and I started looking at Robert Harrington's and Thomas Van Flanders calculations of this object, they thought that this planet and this potentially the star, and they didn't really talk about the star, but they talked about the planet, may have an interaction with our solar system somewhere around every 20,000 years. That was the prediction that they made before they disappeared mysteriously. Now, when I've studied these objects, the dead star and this planet, I've come to the conclusion that I believe when I look at the data of these catastrophes and the location of where this dead star was, that it may have in, it may have a parahelion pass, meaning the closest pass to our sun of somewhere between like Robert Harrington and Flanders said of somewhere between 13 and 20,000 years. And that may differ slightly. But if that's the case, then at every time that this goes into parahelion with our sun, the entire solar system heats up because the sun will have, will have to maintain its equilibrium and will essentially send out massive pulses of energy in order for it to maintain its heliopause in order to maintain its equilibrium. It has to send out massive coronal mass ejections and as this dead star goes through its dance and as it goes into apahelion, meaning further away from the sun, I believe that you see that calming down but massive cooling of our earth. And I believe that this object may, and we can go into more, I'll go into much more detail in a minute, but I want to get Randall to jump in. I believe that this interaction with our binary, lost binary star and this planet is the reason why not only do we get ice ages and rapid melting and warming, but cyclical catastrophes on the earth from coronal mass ejections and pulse shifts, which have, and I want to, we can go into all kinds of discussions on what that does, but before I go any further, I just would love to get Randall's thoughts. So I don't just keep talking on and on about this. Well, I have read Flandren. It's been 20 years at least. I have one of his recent books, Comet in the title, sitting on my shelf right in the other room. So I'm a little bit familiar with some of these ideas. I mean, I've also looked at the idea of cyclical catastrophes, 13,000 year period definitely seems to coincide with your conclusions. Because, you know, we look back, if we go back to 13,000 year cycles, we're back at the, you know, basically the previous dawning of the age of Aquarius, right, which is in the astronomical sense is just going to be the position of the vernal equinox with respect to the backdrop of the constellations, right? But I may even be able to pull it up here in a minute where I've plotted some of the, some of the catastrophes that I think have been well documented by looking at things like Heinrich events, dance guard, Aschger events, which seem to be major upheavals, climatic upheavals that are associated with like a Heinrich event is a massive disgorging of icebergs into the oceans. And something, I mean, something is triggering that. And there seems to be sort of a 13,000 or 26,000 year periodicity to that. Now, if we go back 26,000 years ago, we're almost within like one millennium of the start of the final phase of the Wisconsin, so-called Wisconsin Ice Age that was preceded, you know, there was like three phases or so in the late Wisconsin Ice Age, which was, oh, after the Emean, which was 120,000 to 130,000 years ago, which was considered to be an analog to the modern war period, you had several intervals of glacial expansion and glacial contraction. The question is, how much glacial expansion, how much glacial contraction that is not known with perfect precision, but it does appear that prior to 26,000 years ago, down to perhaps around 40 to 42,000 years ago, there was a major period of deglationation, which we know from pollen studies and evidence of vegetation and forests growing in Canada. Obviously, if you've got forests growing, there's no ice sheet there, right? So it sort of fits. And I might actually be able to pull up here. While you're talking, I'll pull up something so on your next breather, I'll show a compilation that I did. You want me to jump back in, Chris, and just keep going for a minute? Yeah, sure. Yeah, go for it, man. I'll have some questions at the end, so go for it. Okay. And I'll just expand on what I was doing, I guess, to conclude before Randall Johnson and we change to a different aspect of looking at this. But you'll notice that what Pioneer 10 found in terms of specifics looking at this object was that they didn't identify it as a brown or a red dwarf, our binary companion. They identified it as a dead star. Now, what's really, really interesting about the term dead star is that it most likely means that the star went into a supernova, okay? So if you look at Earth history, and this is where we get back into potentially as far back as 60 million years ago, I mean, do we look at the idea, the whole concept of how the dinosaur period was destroyed with this massive impact crater in the Yucatan Peninsula, which they have evidence of that in the Gulf of Mexico. But I'm actually starting to wonder and put this together, that if you have a binary companion that's going through a nuclear supernova explosion, before that event occurred, that star would get extremely hot, okay? And as every time it came through its perihelion, it would interact with not only our sun, but our entire solar system in effect in a very, very massive way. And it's interesting looking at how the Earth didn't seem to have the seasonal aspects that it has now in how the, perhaps something like the great year in this actual procession of the equinox with our planet didn't seem to exist. So what caused it? Why all of a sudden, did this cosmic impact hit the Earth and then change the entire tilt of the planet and cause it to have a procession of the equinox? Or did something else happen? Or is it a combination of everything? That's the thing. Like Randall says, could these objects, this binary companion and this planet, could they disrupt the entire Kuiper Belt and then send objects flying in and have, maybe it's a combination of everything. But I'm proposing the idea that when that supernova went off with this binary star to make it a dead star, it likely was one of the reasons why we had mass extinctions on the Earth. Because we know millions and millions of years ago, looking at fossil records, that there have been, there have been extinction level events on the Earth. They were so significant that even it's considered microbial life was wiped out. So what kind of an event could cause, besides the idea of just a cosmic impact, what about something like a supernova? What if that, that binary companion supernovaed close enough to impact our entire inner solar system? So anyway, the whole idea is that a major event occurred in the past. When that event occurred, we don't really know. It seems like it was likely millions of years ago, just because it's now a dead star and no one can see it because not only is it 50 billion miles out, but it's, it's a dead star, which means it's dark. Now you start getting into some ancient cultures around the world who have mentioned something like a dark star or a black star. And so it's just interesting how we're looking at this interaction where if, if I, when I've studied the, the binary's rotation, its entire rotation in conjunction with our sun, with our solar system, and how the Earth's processionally equinox is a 26,000 year cycle with this tilt of our entire solar system. I'm beginning to wonder if the interaction with this binary star is actually in the same thing, some kind of a 26,000 year interaction. And this interaction with our sun is what's creating this gigantic processionally equinox with, with the whole solar system is impacted through a dance, a dance with this binary. Now there's a documentary that's, that was, that's, that's been made that people should, I highly recommend people go look up. It's called the great year. Okay. I don't know if you guys have ever seen that. It's not very well known. I think it came out in the 90s. And it has a very, very significant narrator. Someone, someone that everyone knows, I can't remember his name off my head, but there was a very well done documentary and they actually talked about that. They showed the interaction of this binary companion. I was like, why aren't people known about, about this documentary? And they actually proposed that the great year regarding the processionally equinox is based on the dance of this binary. So I'm not the first person to talk about this. I'm just the one going into details to try to figure out how it relates to these cycles. So anyway, the point I'm trying to make is now here you have this dead star, super dense object, right? Still has the density that it had, but you can't see it. So you just have this energetic interaction. And I believe that its approach to our sun creates this massive warming sends out Corona mass ejections, probably cosmic impacts as well. And what we're talking about is a magnitude of order of events that are so significant that it's like something out of a Hollywood movie. Imagine you have this binary star, this dead star come within perihelion of our sun and it causes the sun to shoot out massive Corona mass ejections. Not what we're talking about right now with these little ones that disrupt satellites and internet around the world. How about something so significant that the poles either flip or shift so significantly around the earth that you have every tectonic plate and every volcano go off. Tsunamis around the world that are miles high, traveling all around the world, the supersonic speeds, volcanoes going off everywhere, subduction of plates like Atlantis, sending land masses down into the ocean like that sunken ruins we find off of Cuba, which is like phenomenally interesting if you look into that, where you start to say, well, we're talking about something, an event that according to ice cores, when we look at the younger driest time period seems to have occurred over like over a thousand year period. Okay, so this isn't something that happens right away. And then it's over. It's like multiple events in a thousand year period that have different events. Maybe there's cosmic impacts, maybe there's kernel mass ejections, maybe there's massive fires across the earth. Tsunamis, volcanoes, how about everything all in that time period? It would explain why the sophisticated civilizations that know about energy lay lines around the earth and mapping out stars mimicking like the three pyramids of the Giza plateau, mimicking the stars of Orion and the energy as above so below explains why they would have just disappeared at the height of their sophistication. I want to just add one more thing, Randall, before we jump in. If you look at, if you go down to the unfinished obelisk in Aswan, Egypt, right, the largest obelisk ever created, we're told that it wasn't erected because it cracked, it broke. But I propose that a massive earthquake actually cracked it. And just like we find in China with the Yangshan quarry in the massive megalithic block there that was just started to be cut and then it just was abandoned. And we see in the Balbec Lebanon quarry as well, these, the biggest blocks they were ever going to take out and start constructing, all these sites around the world, it seems like these cultures reached the height of their sophistication, not the other way around, and then they mysteriously disappeared. And so I believe that these events are what has caused that disappearance of those, of these lost civilizations. Well, interesting ideas. And I think we certainly concur on the idea of a cyclicity and civilizations succumbing to these events. Certainly, you've done some thinking about this and you know, you've come up with some very interesting ideas. And yeah, I mean, I think that at this point, it's fair game. I mean, we need to be looking at a lot of different perspectives on this, on this thing. So I'm willing to entertain these ideas. You know, I mean, basically what it comes down to is the idea of a of a remnant star and whether that could be a binary with our son. And if I get this correctly now, Matt, you're thinking that the this that we're looking at presuming a dead core of a star that went supernova and close enough to our solar system that it was able to disrupt. Now you're saying, but this this dark star was is a companion. Yes. And it was a companion when it went Nova. Yes, but I'm thinking that it had to have been on a healing when it was supernova would destroy the entire solar system. That would make sense. Yeah, I mean, if it was, yeah, if so it must have been, but see even that being far removed remote from the inner solar system can still have enormous consequences. Of course. So I mean, I'm in, you know, agreement that yeah, if there was a nearby supernova that yes, it could definitely have consequences. Now I had not necessarily thought, in fact, one of the things that I had thought would be the thing that could trigger the cascades of comets from the outer solar system to the inner solar system would have been in fact, that would have been my most likely candidate would be a nearby supernova. Interesting, right? Yeah, however, not thinking necessarily that it's in a, you know, it's in a relationship with the earth that it's a binary. I haven't really considered that too much. I mean, other than what I do recall from having read Tom Van Flandren years ago, but again, it's been over 20 years, I think since I read his book. I might just, if we take a break, we'll see if I can grab it off the shelf just because I know I've got a lot of highlighted stuff in there. But yeah, I mean, I think that's interesting. I'll pull up something here. Sure. Just for a second, let's see. Okay, where is it? He really only talked about the planet companion, which seems to be a planetary companion of that star. That's what's interesting about it. All right, let's see here. Now, while you're pulling that up, I'm completely open to the idea that it could be an invader solar system that somehow got close enough that it got grabbed or I'm under the understanding that it was originally designed as a binary, but then that then occurred and then that's what led to that being in the place that it's in. Also in the type of orbit that's in, but I think we just have a lot more questions that need answers. Okay, yeah. Are you guys seeing this screen? Yep. Yes. Okay, so this is just the zodiacal wheel and I've marked a couple of points on here, the zero year and then 25,920. So this is the present, give or take a few decades. And then one cycle ago and then a half that cycle would have been 12,916. I'm using the classical traditional numbers here, which are certainly close enough to the actual tangible numbers of modern scientific data. But you can see here, if we start from here and we go back through, you'll see here, here's the sign, not the constellation, but the sign of Pisces, Aries, Taurus, Gemini, Cancer, and then we're back in Leo. And if we follow this axis right through from our present back 13,000 years ago and round numbers were now right at the Virgo-Leo cusp. And what I've done is I've gone through all of the literature finding evidence for dramatic climate change or events, Heinrich events, as you see Heinrich event two and Heinrich event 10. So they both roughly coincided with this period, this span of time of 25,920 years ago. If we go back 2160, we'll see that the Piscian age was interrupted by several events, but the onset of the dark ages, which was pretty abrupt, the onset of the little ice age, which was also pretty abrupt. And we go back here at 4320, we're right within a century of the Bronze Age collapse, and that was associated with a Heinrich event. And a Heinrich event is when you have massive discharges of armadas of icebergs, primarily into the North Atlantic, because it's coming from the Laurentide ice sheet that's covering most of Canada and half of North America. So when those ice sheets grind away across the land, they incorporate a lot of the material as dust and granulated material, pulverized material that gets broken up material that gets taken up into the mass of the ice sheets itself. So when that ice moves and reaches the coastline, it begins to cav off the margin of the ice sheet, falls into the ocean as an iceberg, it then begins to float to the south. And as it floats, it melts. And when it melts, now, normally you've got the very almost like fine grained morals that are forming from the little tiny microscopic creatures in the ocean that are dying and regularly and causing thick layers of massive, almost unstratified sediment. And you'll have those that look to be anywhere from, you know, six to 12,000 years, and then they will be interrupted by a thick, gravelly layer of coarse material. And that's material that has been deposited by icebergs. So you've got these armadas of icebergs sweeping out into the North Atlantic. They're melting as they melt this debris that's included into the ice mass, then falls to the ocean bottom and makes a very distinct layer. And these can be dated. And that's the Heinrich event. And so when you begin to consider what a Heinrich event is, the implications are that something really extraordinary is happening to the planet at that time to cause these, because we're talking about thousands of huge icebergs being disgorged simultaneously into the ice sheet, into the oceans. And then, you know, during the end of the last ice age, I don't know what part of the country you guys are in. But yeah, there were armadas of icebergs being swept along in currents like that have now plowing, huge icebergs, plowing the ocean bottom because they're so big, leaving great gouges in the bottom of the ocean. And they're as far south right now, they've been documented all the way down to Florida and South Carolina. So this is this is extraordinary masses of ice being disgorged into the ocean. So that's one of the things, you know, so there's a collection of things here, the alpine ice man, his deposition in the getting killed and frozen into the ice in the Alps coincided with what I'm calling here a tripartite climate spasm that is now well dated to have occurred right around that interval that he died. 6480 coincides within a century or two of the onset of what's called the neo glaciation after the hips of thermal warming that characterized the age of Gemini and cancer. However, there was a Heinrich event number six that coincided with this number right here. And 8300 years ago, what's called the before present 8300 before present cold event. And we can go back see here's the end of the younger dryest right smack in the middle of Leo. And then when we get on this axis, which is the Aquarian Leo axis, we've got Heinrich event four. So this number 12 960 times three, and we've got the Heinrich event four 12 960. So 12 960 times five gives us what 12,960 times five. Yeah, 64,800 years ago. So there you've got the Heinrich event seven a and then times seven, which would be plus another 25,920. So that's dated right at about 90,000 years ago. So you can see how they're clustered along this line. This seems to be really aligned with concentrations concentration. Yeah, thank you. But you can see they're distributed around. And there's a high correlation between these specific numbers that have come down to us. Traditionally, like most of these numbers have come through us to us ultimately through the Vedas. But they're also important to the Greeks. And they were also found Sumerian numbers, the king lists were based upon these numbers. And we find them also in the Mayan cosmological systems, these recurrence of many of these numbers. So this seems to be a traditional model. Now, what is driving this kind of thing that you see right here? And notice, again, this clustering at basically in round numbers 13,000 years. So that does correlate with yours. Now I don't I haven't detected a 20,000 year signal. But I'm not going to discount it and say it's not a possibility. I think 13 is more likely based on the data, I would agree with you. Yeah. 19,000 for I don't have anything at that date. No, I only said 20, because Harrington believed that he didn't actually know what the the entire rotation of that planet was around for its apihelion and perihelion. So he was just giving an estimate of between he said between 10 and 20. That's what he said. So I'm just I'm keeping open minded to not being I believe it's 13. But I was just sort of keeping open mind to got it. What are you saying? Well, notice it right here in the middle of the age of Scorpio was that that was the late glacial maximum. That was when the the last cycle of glaciation was at its most extreme. But your bracket did like 1944 40 that's pretty close to 20,000 years. But I don't have any data points for anything that happened right there. Heinrich has got five 216. No, I think it's most likely a 13,000. I think we can both agree that the data points towards a 13,000 year cycle of these events. Yeah. And I think that there's you'll also notice there seems to be some clustering here around the age of Taurus, which is interesting. And then we've got this axis across here, we've got the late glacial maximum. And then 13 notice. So if you come around 13,000 years, now you're at the tri-par type climate spasm, right? And also notice termination of Heinrich event to come 13,000 years to the other side. And you've got this potential air burst. So you think it's possible that we're talking about two distinct time period events within a 26,000 year cycle that seemed to occur during different time periods on a regular basis? Looks like somewhere. That's what it's looking like. Like a five, like we'll call it, let's call it a, between a 4,500 and a 6,500 year cycle. And then, and then like a 13,000 year cycle. Yeah. So if you have to 13,000, or in this case, the 12,960, you get the 6480. And right around, again, and these aren't super precise, but they're within a couple of centuries, which over geological time scales is very precise. Yeah. But yeah, you had the onset of neo glaciation, which see this, this period of time here, not counting the 8,300 before present cold event. This was a very warm time post let those that millennia, two millennia, three millennium after the glacial deglaciation was extremely warm. And then the right here at about the onset as the vernal equinox moved into the against the starfield of Taurus, you had a rapid cooling of the earth that led to the expansion of glaciers and several other things. And then 2100 years later, you had the Bronze Age collapse and associated with a Heinrich event. So yeah, it's it's possibly some interesting correlations and as to what's driving this. See, I kind of look at this, you know, if you say, well, it might be associated with the processional cycle, because this is these are processional numbers. And 26,960 or 25,920 is, you know, within a few decades of what's usually given as the time period for the processional cycle. But I'm not saying the processional cycle is driving this. I just look at this as a type of a clock, something else is driving this. And we may have two components here, one which is the periodic component, but then juxtaposed on that might be more random events, which, you know, will kind of muddy the waters a little bit, but, you know, just make it a little bit harder to perceive the cycles, but you just have to look a little harder. And I think they're there. Yeah, that's a that's an awesome model that that data is incredibly compelling. And I think it just shows us that the alignment of where the concentrations are of these events is is very difficult to argue with, especially when you're looking at that 12,900 years, 960 year time period, which seems like I think we both agree that that yeah, there are certainly are other times when these seem to be some correlation with events, but overwhelmingly, the most significant of those events seem to be occurring on that 12,900 year time period. It seems like that. But you know, this is a little getting old now, I mean, there's probably new data points that could be added. And if I had full time research, spend my time full time doing research, I may be able to add more data points. But and I suspect that there are more data points, because this has got to be seven or eight years old since I did this. And we probably got some more precise dating of the actual events that are listed here. Can I can I ask you, I'm just very curious, you and Graham, and many, many others really, really talk extensively about that Younger Dryas being an impact event, or multiple impact events, we should call it. Do you have any idea, your theory on where those impacts are? I know Graham has come out and discussed the Greenland impact area, but I'm concerned about that considering the ice cap thickness over that area and the fact that it seems like that event occurred much, much earlier during it did not during Younger Dryas. So I'm very curious to hear your thoughts on if you've seen evidence on where the Younger Dryas impact actually was or in multiple places, you could call it. The answer is yes. And yes, with your qualification, you just said, because at this point, I think there's evidence of multiple impacts. And, well, let's see. If I let's see, I could probably just show you I haven't shown this to a lot of people yet. Let's see if I've got it handy here. It'll take me a second to pull it up. I can go ahead and pull it up and show this to you if sure. Yeah, we always love to see the data. Love the data, Randall. Absolutely, for sure. Okay, so let me just go back to my folder with my PowerPoint shows. While he's looking for that, I just want to quickly add that one of the most compelling things that I think Randall brings up for a good comparison to understand is that rather than the Ice Age, the Younger Dryas, the Laurentide Ice Sheet and the European and Siberian Ice Sheet melting in a slow rate and then the fact that the Megafauna in the Northern Hemisphere disappeared as attributed to overhunting, I think the more, the way we should be looking at this, and maybe Randall agrees, is that we're talking about a massive extinction event of Megafauna up in the Northern Hemisphere along the areas of the ice cap on a much quicker basis than we're taught in school. That maybe these events that have led to these distraction and calving off of the ice caps and these massive floods that seem to have occurred and then re-frozen, then re-flooded again, especially like in the Missoula flood lake area, like you talk about in the Northwest United States, is that these events may come with very extreme intensity in certain moments and having these events where it happens so quickly that certain, like you pointed out Megafauna, just boom, like that go extinct because of how extreme some of these events have been. Yes, some of them have been very, very extreme. And I'll show you one thing I think I found it here. Let's see here. I was there. Okay. So in terms of the younger dryus, we know that the proxies are things that, you know, since something that indicates that this thing happened, but you know, it's like fingerprints, you know, Graham Pantock used the term fingerprints of the gods for his book, but it's like fingerprints that, you know, we're looking at stuff that you don't really readily see, just like fingerprints, you don't readily see fingerprints left on the scene of a crime, but you have to, you know, use some kind of technological enhancement to see fingerprints, right? Well, the same with the proxies of the, of say an impact event. And what I'm going to do here is I'll pull up something and we'll take a quick look at example of impact proxies. Let me go back to us here. There we go. Here we are. All right. Let me know if you're seeing this. Yep. Yes. All right. So here, each of these are sites that have preserved impact, impact proxies. And as it says here, YDB, younger dryus boundary, spirals from 18 different sites. So these are scanning electron microscope images, illustrate the wide variety of sizes, shapes, and microstructures of the younger dryus boundary spirals. Diameters are in yellow. So, you know, you've got 42 micrometers here or microns 25 here. This is a little bigger because this is a conglomerate, it looks like. Look at this peanut shell one. Now, see, this is where these microspherals have been melted and fused together. Through extreme heat, right? Extreme heat, yes. Here the extreme heat caused this to like burst out like gases that would have been inside this molten, tiny microscopic molten blob would have just burst out and you can leave this and you can see here how it's very, very clear that it was an outburst. You see how the rim is exploded, basically. Yeah. And then this look at these like this picture, like almost like a picture of water shaping. Look at this here has a has damage here. This would have been almost like a micro fracture. This would have been like a mechanical fracturing of it. And then you see these striations on it. Those are from the rapid quenching from the molten state rapidly hardening. As it says, most spirals are rounded, but there are also dumbbells, bottle shapes, gourd shapes, which is J. This is the gourd shape and ovoids, which is P. Here's an ovoid. Most small spirals are solid, although a few are hollow. Whereas most large spirals are vesicular and or hollow, a large number of spirals were cross-section. Let's see here. Lachatellari, which is a very difficult one to say. I did practice this at one point and I had it down, but that's not important. Anyways, flow marks are called Schlieren, right? The flow marks, you can see the flow marks are in what creates the surface texturing of these things. Here you can see flow marks really clearly. These flow marks would require heats of 2,200 degrees centigrade. So vitrification heat enough to melt quartz and rock? Yes. They were observed in three sites from sites A, E, and M. So A, E, and M right here. Many large spirals display accretion with other spirals, E, M, and Q. So yeah, E, M, and Q. So here, yeah, look it. There's fusion going on here where a larger spiral had smaller spirals impact into it and they were still molten enough that once they impacted into it, they fused together. Interior and exterior compositions of both spirals are similar, but occasionally iron-rich material, which is represented by thin light-colored bands migrated or accreted to the outside of the spiral while molten. Some of the spirals have high percentages of titanium oxide, inconsistent with anthropogenic, but consistent with impact melting of titanomagnetite or ilmenite. So those are just examples. Then we look here at the stratigraphic distribution of the microspirals, and you can see that in all of these cases, look at where the date here is. 12.9 here, 13. Wow. 12.1, plus or minus 0.7, 12.9, 13, 12.8, 13, 12.8. So yeah, and look at these are, these are widely geographically distributed sites. Yeah, 12.8, 12.8, 12.9, 12.8, 12.9, 13.3, 12.9, 13.0. Now, 13.3 is probably an outlier. There's something probably that's biased the dating to be a little older. But yeah, so this is very interesting here. You know, your abundances of spirals by site plotted on a lower axis in numbers per kilogram. That's what's down here relative to the younger driest boundary depth at zero centimeters. Scoria-like object concentrations are the black lines. Scoria-like are going to be features that are produced in tremendous heat. So anyways, yeah, this is a very interesting table here. Yeah, it is. Evidence. Can you speak about where those event, those locations are around the earth? I know they have names like Big Eddie and Blackville. Do you have any idea where those are? Well, this is in Syria. Harlington Canyon is on an island off the coast of California. Let's see, La Melle, that's in Belgium. Big Eddie, I should know where that is, Blackwater, that's in southern New Mexico. Quizco, that's in Mexico. Ganey is, I think that's South Carolina. I know Topper is South Carolina. Sheridan Cave, I believe is Texas. Murray Springs, Melrose is Pennsylvania. Linge, let's see, Kimmel Bay. It's easy enough to find out these, but they're quite a widespread distribution. Of course, this is way back in 2013. So there have been additional sites added to this collection. This is just the sites at which these microspherals had been found as of 2013. Is there a bias on the reason why most of them were the United States or does that actually point back to it? Yes, there is, because this is where most of the investigation has occurred. Okay. Most of the scientists that have been looking for this and most of the sites that had samples that could be dated and examined were from the United States. But for example, in Abahur area, they, Herrera, Herrera, they based upon the studies in the United States, they went back and found some scientists went back, found the Younger Dryas boundary and took a look and sure enough, they found the microspherals. So worldwide basically is what we're talking about? At this point, we're covering about half the world. But since then, I know that evidence has been found in even as far down as Antarctica. So when the papers came out showing that there was proxies in Antarctica, I pretty much concluded at that point that, yeah, it's global, it's worldwide. Now, that doesn't mean that the effects are uniformly distributed over the world. But yeah, it still would have been a global event. So we're kind of winding down to our last few minutes that we have. I want to get each of your thoughts on this. Matt mentioned, you know, magnetic pole shift. And we we know that recently we've seen that our magnetic north is rapidly moving towards Siberia. And we've had an increase in natural occurrences like earthquakes and volcanoes and our weather patterns have been changing over the past few years. And I'm wondering if either of you think that we could possibly be due for another world altering cataclysm within our lifetime? Do you want me to go first? Do you want me to go ahead? Why don't you go ahead, Matt? All right, so I want to just add, Randall's data there is is incredible. It shows you that clearly we've had the ability for heat to impact the earth in such an extreme way that we see the fusion of rock in a way where temperature has exceeded 2000 degrees. Now, that's important because it really doesn't necessarily matter on the surface, whether or not it's just cosmic impacts, or if it's from a massive kernel mass ejection that allows that kind of incredible heat to reach the surface of the planet in different places. That's important, but really, let's take that off the table for a moment. And let's simply consider the fact that let's go to a place like Luxor, Egypt, with the Colossia of Memnon. We find these two massive stone statues, right, or that stand in place. They're still there today. But the interesting aspect of the Colossia of Memnon is that they both have vitrification or melting on the northeast side. And that's really interesting because it shows us that that heat and that event came from the northeast side. And we also look in places like Egypt, Abu, Seer and other areas, we find other, and in Peru as well, we find other vitrification of some of these megalithic sites that shows that they melted or were scarred by such extreme heat. We're talking about something on the surface that if humans were there, they would likely have been vaporized. And it's interesting how you see massive underground city areas like Darin Cuyu that had been built to house over 20,000 people with air shafts and these massive stone doorways that could be rolled across to completely block off and allow these civilizations to exist down there. And it really brings up the question of these events were so extreme that they literally would make the surface of the planet in a lot of different places completely unlivable and inhospitable to the fact, to the point where if you were there, you would have just instantly disappeared and died just because of how extreme those events were, which is why we so many interesting stories. I mean, Randall's going to be going down in the southwest United States. And of course, the Hopi have great traditions and stories and their legends about how they were led into underground caves by the ant people, which I think were just a group of higher beings or just ascended teachers that led them down into caves to survive these events, which really echoes the same thought process as the Darin Cuyu. So let's go forward now to our time period we're in now as Chris brought up. Having said that, we're almost exactly 13,000 years ago since the Younger Dryas event. Now, as Chris has pointed out, Magnetic North has been moving rapidly towards Siberia. We've seen an increase in volcanism around the world to a degree where it's impressive enough that during our history, we have to look at it and wonder a little bit about whether all these events are related. We've seen potential salinity changes in the in the Atlantic Ocean that some are worried that could disrupt the Gulf Stream with the balance of fresh and salt water pointing towards the fact that these events seem to also have a major play role with the currents of the world in relation to ice sheet formation and then the rapid ending of those time periods to a warmer Earth time period. So when we look at all that, we look at the movement of Magnetic North, we look at increase in volcanism in earthquakes and climatic changes around the planet. And of course, those are blamed on human activity, which Randall and I both sort of laugh at looking at ice cores and looking at how we've had rises and dips in the past history before known industrialization of humans that is pale as a comparison to now. I do firmly believe that we're in the middle or coming towards one of these events is again, now I want to just add to those who may be very fearful of that statement to that I am actually very optimistic when I've been looking at certain the certain aspects of how some components of geoengineering of reflecting solar particles back into space, as well as potentially some things like Nikola Tesla technology that may be being utilized in places like Antarctica with with a protecting and affecting the electromagnetic geomagnetic aspect of the or the balance of the poles on the earth. I do believe that this is well known within certain sects of higher government and is being secretly prevented. And I do believe if you look at how the ancient traditions about looking forward into time period of human history and how this current time period is discussed by some ancient cultures, like the Maya as being a civilization that reaches the next stage, that maybe potentially other civilizations have not and I attribute that to the idea that we may have certain technologies present to us that no other civilization of these master or law civilizations had access to and we may be the first civilization to prevent our own demise and reset that has ever occurred here and that may be come into the idea of why Aquarius in in this time period of the next 50 to 70 years may play such a significant role in our story. And so I just want to point out that I do think that there are certain technologies and things that are happening right now that may be quietly being used to prevent an event that seems to happen on the 13,000 year cycle. And it would be very interesting to think that those in higher positions of power already know something is going on and it could be attributed to some of the agendas we see going on right now. Very interesting. I don't know, what are your thoughts, Randall? Well, you know, I've mixed feelings. My thought is, you know, I started studying into this kind of stuff literally in high school. So, you know, some of the people that I used to think knew more than I did about some of these things are no longer here. And maybe I'm not quite as impressed now as I was when I was younger with their accomplishments, although, you know, there's many people that I still hold in very high regard and high esteem. But I have searched high and low through the archives for hints and indications that there is someone who has got this figured out. And I'm not willing to say ruled out no, I don't think that it's possible. In fact, I like to believe that there's still, you know, somebody out there that really knows what's going on. And sooner or later, hey, I might get to meet them and go, hey, could you explain a few things to me? But, you know, as the years go on and I get older, I, you know, when you're a young man, you can look forward and you know, okay, you know, there's older guys out there, well, like me, who's been studying this shit for a long time, you know, and I know a few things, probably more than the average bear, but at the same time, there's a lot of gaps and holes in my knowledge that I, you know, I'm hoping that I can put some more pieces together while I still have some time left. But I guess my point is, is the older I've gotten, and the more I learn, the less I'm inclined to believe that there is somebody out there who's got it figured out, only because when I look at the political leadership we've got now, I'm like, well, I don't think it's Joe Byte. I don't think he's got more figured out about this. And I don't think it's Kamala Harris, either, or Nancy Pelosi. Now, these are the three top tiers of American government today. Three puppets. Yeah. Yeah. So, but then I go, okay, well, who are, who are the puppet masters and what did they know? My thought is they may know a whole lot more about economics than I do and political science, perhaps, but I don't know if they necessarily know more about history than I do, or about some of these. We want to, if we want to call them fringe topics, because within the mainstream framework of thinking, the kind of things that we look into are considered fringe topics. Now, interestingly, things that were considered very fringe a couple of decades ago aren't so fringe anymore. You know, when, when the Younger Drys boundary got proposed in 2007, there was a whole cadre of scientists that closed ranks to basically completely discredit the idea. And of course, when you look at it, you can see that there were political motivations there, and we probably don't have time to get into all of that right now. And why political motivation would be find the idea of some kind of a cosmic event or a cosmic impact or everyone to characterize it being the cause, because right now, like we've all just kind of referenced, in this conversation, I think we're all agreeing that, you know, we're being presented now with a manufactured climate crisis that wants to blame some, we're in the middle of some unprecedented climatic event now that's our fault. And because it's our fault, and it's the result of our activity, our activities have to be controlled. That's in a nutshell what this is all about. And, you know, I'm not convinced that those people really know what's going on. You know, I, I'm open if you can present to me evidence that there is somebody psych, you know, maybe an underground group, some, you know, somebody that, you know, and in my mind at this point, yeah, it's probably got to be some, you know, underground base or somebody on the moon that's, you know, because I go okay, I'm 71 years old now. And, you know, if I could go for another 50 or 100 years and keep my intellectual faculties intact, what could I know? What could have Einstein have known? What could any of these, you know, a smart thinking people, intellectual people, how much could those of us who are thinkers, you know, I'm not especially smart, but I'm smarter than the average. Okay, I admit that it's not my arrogance or ego. I'm just, it's just a simple fact. But okay, if, if, if smart educated people could live for another, let's say double our modern, our present day lifespan, and keep our functions intact, you know, what could we know? I mean, what a waste. I've been thinking, geez, I'm just giving you the point where I'm starting to figure things out. And I'm supposed to be going, wait a minute now, I've only got what a couple of decades left at the best. But, but on the other hand, listen, there's, here's, here's we, we circle back to this idea of the Grail and the idea of restoration, because that is I think a very real part of this ancient knowledge, Matt, that you were referring to, and that, you know, you said we, I forget the words you used, but what was invoking in my mind was this idea that I've drawn from biblical studies, which is the curse, the curse that came upon the human species that whose manifestation was the expulsion from paradise, from the garden. And we see that curse replayed again in the, in the, the murder of, of Abel by Cain. We see it again in the, in the great flood. It's the curse that comes upon the earth. And it's a curse, I think that ultimately we have the power to break that curse. And I think that you mentioned several things. You mentioned Tesla. He was on to some things. Victor Schauberger was on to some things. Wilhelm Reich was on to some things. Other researchers have been on to things that I think each one of these is like a strand of the thread that if we weave it together, we're going to see this tapestry of our own past. And again, the Grail, I think, is now a symbol for that lost technology. And circling back to that, and then I'll mention, you know, that's going to be the theme that unites these two weekends from Easter weekend to Earth Day weekend, and the, and the excursions that we're going to take into Hopi land and some very interesting places in the interim pictographic places, rock art that's normally not accessible to the public, but we're in a privileged position because you know, a lot of these tribes are concerned that their young people, their young millennials aren't going to necessarily effectively carry on their traditional stories. And so they're more open now than they were a generation ago to sharing their stories with outsiders. So I'm privileged to be in a position where we're going to have attending this, this two weekends of events in Sedona, both a Hopi storyteller and a Zuni storyteller. And glad you're doing that. Yeah. And, and I will just share, let's see here, what have I got here? Do I have all share? How much time we got left, Chris? Yeah, go forward. Now I want to say while you're pulling that up, it was definitely an honor to have these two generations of amazing researchers here tonight to share their knowledge and insights into our incredible history that's been hidden. And this is what we need. We need more discussions like this going forward. And this is the only way we're going to find out the truth about our hidden history. And I want to thank both of you gentlemen for taking the time to do this again tonight. This was fantastic. Well, thanks for hosting it, Chris. I've enjoyed it. I think this is our third time together. Is that right? Yeah, 34th one of those. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I've enjoyed it. And I'm sure you've got a great audience. And I'd like to invite people to check out. You can go to Randall Carlson.com. Or you can go if you'll see here, World Views with a Z media.com. That's Robert Dakota who's hosting was organizing the event. But there's a whole bunch of stuff going on with some really cool people. And if you go here, you can find out more about it. Obviously, this is me. And that's Graham Hancock. And this is George Howard. As I said, he's one of the leading researchers on younger, driest catastrophism in the world today. And we're going to be there sharing ideas. And we've got some really incredible guests. Spencer Taylor, a young man who's just finished seven years post production right now of his documentary called the end of recess, which is about the basically the collapse of demise of modern education and alternatives. So that's going to be a big part of the theme of the two weekends. We've got Dave Matheson, who's coming in, who's showing how all of the ancient planet Star Wars all synthesized into a grand integral scheme of things. It's truly amazing stuff. So we will be getting out under the night sky with him while he tells us and brings into Star Lore from ancient cultures from all over the world and shows these remarkable parallels between ancient how ancient people interpreted the sky. Well, yeah. So who else? A number of other people is going to be very interesting. And there's a, you know, the whole thing may be, I don't know, to me, it's not expensive because, but it's Sedona, Arizona, we're going to be a couple of really cool places where we're going to be staying. Poco Diablo in Sedona, but there's multiple packages and there's also going to be a live stream. We're going to live stream the thing. So if you can't actually get there in person, there's going to be a live stream. And if you sign up for one weekend, you get the live stream for both weekends forever. So that's kind of a cool deal. But yeah, there's different options available. So just check it out. And if you can't get there, then do the live stream. And it's going to be jam-packed. It's going to be a really concentrated dose of information. And we're hoping that out of this, we're really trying to galvanize a global movement here. And that's kind of ultimately what this is all about. And what a great place for a launchpad, Sedona, Arizona. I appreciate you fostering that collaboration of great minds to come together to create this synergy of changing the consciousness and the planet to start looking at all of this in a different light. So thank you, Randall. Hey, you're welcome. Listen, I can't think of anything to me more interesting and fun to do than that. Me either. I agree. Exactly. This has been fantastic. I want to, like I said, thank you, gentlemen, both again for coming on, taking time to do this. This is what we need more of. We need more meetings of these wonderful minds to get more of our information about our hidden past, like I said. And I hope that maybe we can do this sometime again in the near future, because this was awesome. And I think we may early scratch the surface of some of this stuff. There's so much more we could cover. Yeah. Go ahead, Randall. I'll say quickly that I want people to just randallcarlson.com. We'll get you to my website, because we are actively looking for the prime, perfect piece of real estate to launch the first prototype. And this is where, in fact, even it's gotten, the interest has grown to the point now where we're probably going to have to, we're going to do two. You know, I've been a builder for four decades, and I built millions, millions of dollars of buildings and scattered for a whole bunch of owners, scattered all over. And now I want to bring it all together and put all of the things that I've learned about sacred geometry and sacred architecture and the ancient template, bring all of that together, fused with modern technology and begin to build. Because I believe that there are times in history, just like you were talking about Matthews, there's periodic times where there's catastrophes. I think there's periodic times where there's concentrated regeneration of things. We can go back to the, you know, to the 11, 1200s, and we see like suddenly the whole of Europe comes together to build these great monuments to the glory of man and God, right? These great cathedrals. He's leaps, right? He's great leaps. Yes. I think we're standing on the threshold right now of a leap. And part of what this seminar and this conference is about is what is going to be our cathedrals for our age, for our generation. What do we do to carry on this great work that goes back to the dawn of history and beyond? Standing in the backs of giants truly. When we pick up our trowel, that's what it's about. It's time once again to pick up the trowel and go to work. I love that. That's really beautiful, Randall. And can I just say, thank you so much, Chris, for hosting this. It's been truly an honor to work with you, Randall. I really appreciate everything you're doing, and I appreciate the knowledge that you've obtained over so many countless years of studying. So thank you so much for all you're doing to contribute to our story and the human race because you're people like you are integral into this age of moving into these leaps of higher consciousness when, hey, if we can survive and get through one of these resets, who knows where the human story can go? What is the potential of our story and the potential of us? What is the potential? And I say that the potential is beyond anything we're almost even capable of imagining at this point. And we truly will become gods just like we've always studied all along from the very past. So I just want to say thank you so much, Chris. And for anyone interested in my work, you can find mine at TheStageOfTime.com or my YouTube channel, Matthew LaCroy. And I truly hope that Randall, you and I can have another conversation in the future. Yeah, well, hey, man, we should hang out in the field. I'd love to take you out and begin to reveal the hidden messages of the landscape to you. That would be awesome. I'm in Colorado, so I'm not that far. And perhaps we can meet up sometime. That'd be truly an honor to work with you again. Oh, that'd be great. Yeah. Well, there's places right in Colorado we could go visit and show you things and yeah. Okay, let's do it. Absolutely. Anytime, Randall. I'm available anytime for you, my friend. All right. Sure. And I might try and make it out to your event there in Sedona. I'm in Colorado as well. And you know, I'd love to give you some publicity for it as well. So that'd be great. Yeah. I mean, this is really, I also mentioned that this is a fundraiser. I mean, the money we make off this is going into the pool that's going to be, ah, we've got a heavy rainstorm just came in here as you guys were talking. As Chris was talking, I heard the thunder. Yeah. That was very impressive, Chris. So, but my point is this is going to be a fundraiser. And the people who are interested will be having a newsletter. I have a newsletter that goes out every month that's kind of to keep people up. But we're going to have a special focused newsletter to anybody who's interested in this specific project. So as we're going out to scout land, for example, for looking for sites for this place, we'll do a newsletter talking about this to keep people up to speed on what we're doing. If we go ahead and we, you know, get, we purchase a piece of land. And we're going to explain the whole process right from the beginning, doing the geomantic survey to set, putting the pole in the ground, the, the, the, the old fellows laying out the cosmic angles, creating the juxtaposing of the cosmic template on the land. And then how we create using sacred geometry, the infrastructure to emerge from the earth almost as an organic living thing. And then that will be the place where people can now come together and share their minds and thoughts and so on. Bring the great mystery schools back once again, right? Yes. You nailed it. That's it. Exactly. Exactly. I love that, man. That is fantastic. Well, like I said, gentlemen, we are going to have to do this again. We barely scratch the surface of this, some of this stuff. So I'd love to speak with both of you again soon. Matt, I know we'll be talking again in the future. And yes, definitely. This was great. Until next time, everyone have an excellent evening. We will be talking again tomorrow as well.