 What was Charlie like? I liked him, you know. I shouldn't say that, I shouldn't have. Nah, quit it. If you like them, you like something. Yeah, but most people I would say, How'd you like Charlie Brunson? I think the majority of people who come in, his life, speak highly of him. Yeah, you know what? I didn't have massive dealings with him, but the dealings that I had, I found him a character, found him a product. And because we had that same, you know, the love for training really, because he did, he just loved training. And anybody that had trained had a common goal with him. So I got on quite well with him, I talked to him about his artwork and bits and bobs. Never had a long period with him because he never really had. The longest I had with Charlie was when I first went there and I was in the gym for the first few months before he actually got stabbed on the yard there. I was actually on the yard the day he got stabbed. What was that like? Sad really, you know. I was shocked they happened as well. Although I think looking back, I think it probably happened because at the time we had the Irish, I don't know if you've heard the Irish, the Turkish family, they were the ones mainly running the prison. So they were the top dogs certainly on B-wing, the big wing. And they had Bill the Bond at the time I don't even remember Bill the Bond. Bill the Bond should mention him really, he's the most intimidating, fearsome man I ever met. But again, I quite liked him. Before I got back to Charlie I was so about Bill the Bond. Bill used to be very volatile. He'd have a drink and a bit of drugs, always on the look for drugs. But he'd been in the ring with some real big fighters. He'd been in the ring with Mohammed Ali. Only sparring, but because he could take a punch and give a punch, he was a real handy. Probably the hardest man I've ever met in prison. Everybody feared him but unlike Charlie Bill liked to have a bit of a boss really and I think the Irish were a little bit of his boss and he liked to work under that so well they got an element of control with Bill all the resting piece as well Bill. But they have an element of control with Bill. With Charlie you didn't have that element of control. I think it was Bill could be a loose cannon but they had that control with him whereas Charlie don't think anybody really controlled him. He was his own man that way. So I think with that he had a sense of why he got stomped but it certainly wasn't just to do with the lad who stomped him again who's dead now as well. Sadly passed away years later.