 Good. Okay, so people have really gotten on the Q&A bandwagon, so I'm excited to see some of these and see where we go with some of them. I'll try not to be too repetitive and one in particular I'm going to save till last because it's such a fun question. But I'll start with the very beginning so Jason this came from just almost the very start of your talk. So I just want to know how you address it now given everything we've talked about but let's see here. So we have a question from Kevin. We have new people attending our online service but the question is how do we engage with them. How do we develop and deepen the relationship with them. That's a great question. I appreciate you asking it. A couple things I think we need to keep in mind. Number one, we have to teach people that it's okay to chat and worship. They've never been allowed to do that before. It's a new way of thinking. In fact, I've been encouraging churches I'm working with. I'm right now coaching about 75 churches on both and worship and I'm encouraging churches to actually invite people to take their phones out and mute them so they can participate in the chat in the room as well. One of my favorite things to do is to do a digital passing of the piece. So take out your phone, mute it. Those of you in the room say hello to those who are worshiping at home and those of you who are at home. Let's greet one another in the name of Christ this morning. Number one, I think we have to teach them. Number two, nobody wants to go first. That's often what is the biggest barrier. And so I would encourage you to have a couple of plants. Ask a couple of people ahead of time. Hey, this weekend I'm going to ask a question. My question is going to be who is Jesus? You've got all week to think about it. Would you mind just putting something in there? There's a great video. You can check it out on YouTube. It's the first follower. It's a leadership lessons by a guy dancing. It's not exactly the title, but it's very similar to that. I saw Lin Sweet use it one time in a training. It shows this crowd of people and this guy gets up and he starts dancing real crazy and everybody's just staring at him. And then one other guy goes over and starts dancing with them and then two or three come over and then it's like a huge crowd and then it's everybody. And part of it is that nobody wants to go first, but once you get the pump primed and you teach your people how to chat, it really can open up lots of wonderful possibilities in worship. I love it. Thank you for that permission to get out our phones during worship. I noticed some people in the chat talked specifically about leading youth groups and how difficult that is. I know my youth group really enjoys when I say get out your phones. Get out your phones, look in a Bible app or you know, chat like that. So good. Thank you for that permission and just that new way of seeing things and, you know, we're open to it. Yeah. Okay, so another question is from Alan problem the online attend not participate nor financially support the church. Sure, we can do online contact a lot of people for a lot of people but the type of service and the emphasis of the service in reality is for the in person congregation, and it's different for them. Do we get more contemporary for a virtual audience or stay traditional for the in person congregation. Do you have Jason do you have comments on, you know, do we get more. We get more contemporary with online and we have to be more of the moment. I don't think that any certain worship style, you can do really great both then in per traditional and non traditional I don't think a worship style, the only worship style that I don't think works either way very well is blended worship because blended worship is everybody hates something in the in that service you know the people don't like the drums the other people don't like the hymns and you do hymns with drums and guitar and everybody hates it. What I would say is, and I wish you know I've got a whole two and a half hour training I do on that, almost all on that particular topic. It's hard to hit it quick but I would say number one, you got to teach people how to give, and you got to teach people why to give you have to tell the stories of where your offering is going. People don't want to give to pay the light bill they want to give to see lives transform so tell the story of where your offering goes, create a video interview somebody that's part of that soup kitchen that you serve or the backpacks that you fill up with school supplies you know show tell tell the stories people get excited about giving when you do that I think too many too many of us are just saying the link for the offerings in the chat or whatever, and we don't really walk people into why that's so important. Yeah, I think that that transcends pandemic even giving is that it's tricky. Thank you for that advice. I'm going to go to Robert he says church is community, but community is not always in the church, we must be in the community, be it in person or the internet. This is not going to change. What do we do to help redirect the church body to change old thinking and processes. So old thinking and processes specifically regarding community, Jason. Yeah, I wrote a book last year called from franchise to local dive that is really kind of about that particular subject that's about how to create a new recipe. And so much of it is the subtitle is multiplying your church by discovering your contextual flavor. The thing is is we should be be spending as much time outside the walls of our church, physically, as we do inside them. I know pastors that office at coffee shops so they intentionally get interrupted all day long so they get to know people in the community. It's really hard to create a recipe for worship, when you don't know the people that live around you and what their appetite is, and so on and so forth. The co author in the book talks about. He calls it exegeting the culture exegeting the culture around you you know getting to know the cultural context and asking those kind of questions so there's so much more I could say but but but not the time to say it at this moment but I that's where I get started get help people see the value of knowing your community because that will shape what you do and in your hybrid. You know worship outside the building. Thanks, and that sounds like you have some resources that will address specifically that, and that takes us, you know full circle back to even why we're here leaving the building redefining that community. And so, you know, thank you for sort of circling us back to there. So I have a question from Evelyn secure. Sorry. Okay, so Ellen says. And there are if so what are the new metrics okay so the question is what are the new metrics needed to evaluate our effective effectiveness in the new normal so that's a great question because, you know, our old the old metrics were. How many people were in worship. It was so much easier when we could just count butts and seats I know that's like the worst way to say that but you know that was the way that a lot of us did it. I don't think we know exactly yet, but I'll tell you this. Like I said I'm writing the both and book right now and I found this really interesting article that talked about how every major television network except for CBS, which use the oldest has decided to no longer take into account the real time ratings. Nielsen ratings have since 1952 are what determine whether show was successful or not. What they've recognized is that we consume content differently now so now they're looking at the DVR numbers and the streaming numbers over the live numbers so even in the entertainment industry they're having trouble figuring out a lot of movies now are releasing at the same time in the theater and at home. And so we have to think differently. I would say it's it's about engagement so what is your offering look like our people participating in your online Bible studies your are they participating in your missional projects, you know those sorts of things. That's a different way to measure but I think that that's probably a better way to measure. Then then how many people how many warm bodies you had in the room anyway because these are the sold out Jesus followers who are actually making ministry happen. Awesome back to the idea of on demand, you know, entertainment on demand worship on demand community on demand so yes, yes. So now we have a question from David we have a few or one third of the previous attendance is coming back to in person worship so only a third and online service is recorded separately. How do we engage and connect people who are watching online who have been disengaged from the church and I asked that knowing that some of the some of the words that I noticed coming through the chat or throughout the whole time today are things like I feel disengaged I feel I'm getting to getting to my list I took a good list. Okay, so people say I'm disconnected. It feels scary. You know, I'm struggling I'm grieving for what was once there so so we're talking about engaging connecting people who are watching online or who have disengaged from the church what are your thoughts on that. Well, I think that a couple of things are really important and I sort of hit a couple of these but first of all, you have to actually talk to them. You will lose people online like the novelty of this is over it's been over for a while. It was kind of exciting at first like oh churches online what are they going to do this week and you know there was almost a sense of intrigue and mystery about what was going to happen. I want to talk about in my, my both and webinar, one of which is creating more of a narrative thread in the worship that you create. Sometimes worship feels like it's a pageant, or a variety show where everybody gets up and they do their act. And oftentimes there's no relation from the music to the scripture reading to the children sermon to the adult sermon so we've got everybody kind of doing their own little thing. That sort of works in the room. I mean I could make an argument that it doesn't work in the room but in the room you have a captive audience at home. All I have to do is click a button and I can anonymously leave my pastor is not even going to know you wouldn't get up and walk out. Most likely if things didn't relate. So I think that's one part of it. I think that engaging folks through the chat, even if you're pre recording. There's a pastor that I'm coaching in Wisconsin who makes sure that she asks a question, and she pauses a moment. So that people can respond to it. It's pre recorded. She watches it live as it's happening and respond so the week I was with her she said, What's something you're thankful for this morning. I just want you to name it in the chat what's something you're thankful for someone said fresh strawberries. She's like oh I love fresh strawberries and someone said. I have a wonderful strawberry pie recipe and somebody else said I would really like that recipe and someone was like we count me in on that. And so all of this interaction and engagement happened because she designed it into the experience. And the last thing I would say is just just to be careful about your language. Here's one other little tip for you and I know we're coming up on our time here but you know we do communion now with these little hermetically sealed packs or whatever communion is this weird thing with hybrid worship where at home it often feels like we're just watching other people take communion we we don't get to participate. So one pastor I'm coaching right now in Savannah, Georgia. This was his idea not mine I, I've just been telling everybody about it. He calls it breaking the fourth wall. So some of you know that in film and television that's when like the actor talks to the camera so Ferris Bueller's day off what Cameron doesn't know is this is going to be the greatest day ever, and then he goes back into the scene. So here's what they do. He has a microphone that is, you know, the little countryman over by his mouth, and then he's got one clip to his collar that is for the online audience. What he'll do is he'll do the communion liturgy for everybody, including the people online, and then they turn this mic off in the house and then he like turns to the camera and he says, I have a few who are worshiping with us at home today. We are engaged in the act of holy communion. And so that's a sacrament and I can remember the first communion and so he spends the whole time now others are serving communion. He spends the whole time talking to people at home if you'd like to participate in communion here's how we do that. And then when he can see the room and when the room gets finished he'll say, let's rejoin the room and thank God for this wonderful feast that we've been a part of today. And then they turn that mic on and so there's this engagement thing that happens where people at home don't feel like they're an afterthought or spectators they're actually really a part of it. I'm sorry that probably went too long but awesome. No, and that's, you know, I love just how you're able to expand on sort of the questions that we have and so I really appreciate your wisdom on that so I have one more question that's kind of along the lines and then I'm going to end with kind of a fun question and then we can close this up in prayer. So Lonnie says, so along the lines of keeping people's focus and interacting with them in worship Lonnie says does anyone have ideas to keep keep folks going during the online, and they get bored so easily and you talked just a little bit about sort of that storytelling flow of worship you know one thing connects to the other. What would you address boredom in worship because like you said we have the option of turning it right off if we want to. Yeah, anything else to add on that. Well, a couple things. Number one, we've been allowed to be distracted in worship long before we had phones and things like that you know I when I remember when I was a kid counting ceiling tiles in the church because I was really bored. You know, part of it is just the, the expectation that you create when you create truly hybrid worship. My friend George Ashford that I mentioned a couple times with the amen corner his people know that when they tune in. He's going to say I want to see some hearts I want to see some thumbs up when I was with them in person he said I see sister Betty you have a comment he actually took his phone out while I was preaching sat it down he said I'm going to look at a comment here for me I'm going to look at the comments let me see what you are saying. And then he says sister Betty, I know you've been dealing with some stuff that's been really difficult, and he starts to. He starts quoting scripture, he starts preaching a sermon that only happened because that comment happened and so it actually helped shape the content of the worship experience. So there's a dialogue I talk about the idea that we move from monologue to dialogue. Now if we truly lean into this hybrid thing. People will not, they'll be much more interested in being a part of it if they feel like hey my comment could become part of the sermon. Here's something else you all might consider doing, and then I'll stop talking. And that is you might ask a reflection question at the beginning of worship and let those things collect so our reflection question today is, who is Jesus just put it in the chat who is Jesus to you. You might ask it again a little later or just want to remind you our question today is who is Jesus. And then in the sermon you might actually leave a moment to say, we've had some really excellent reflections on who Jesus is, Ruth. You said Jesus is my everything what a really great reflection. I wish I could live into that I don't always do that as well. Lonnie, I saw that you said that Jesus is my all in all, when you hear your name. When you hear your thought your reflection. It's incredible it's like I'm part of it even though I'm not there and I think that that really curtail some of that boredom that we that we're talking about. So Jason once again, once again you've given us permission to do things in worship that maybe we haven't done before, you know be interactive in that way and so just the idea of thinking of worship in a new way I really appreciate. So our last question will be should be an easy one but it's kind of fun, and we'll end on that. So Daryl asked that your company midnight oil productions for everyone who's watching that's Jason's company midnight oil productions. Is that a reflection on the song midnight oil from Phillips Craig and Dean. No, no, I, when I started men I was on staff at gingersburg United Methodist Church, many years ago, and my partner and ministry at the time there at the church was writing a book called the wired church, and I did the CD ROM for it and so we said we need a production company for this just for fun, and we had just studied the story the 10 bridesmaids who had to keep the lamps lit and prepare for the master's return and so that was part of it and then I'm also a night owl. And I stay up too late too often and that's often the case so as dual meaning midnight burning the midnight oil but also, it was tied to that parable, and so that that's it. Some people ask me if it's the Australian rock band if that's why we named ourselves midnight oil the famous song about the beds burning and I'm like no that's that definitely has nothing to do. No, no but it does sound like you have some musical options if you ever you know need some background music. I used to get fan mail sometimes for them from at my website so. Good. Okay. Well, alright. I think we're ending our time today and we just can't express just how thankful we are for you being with us just pouring into us in this way and encouraging us as lady to go into our churches and and be the ministers that we're called to be and I thank you for that.