 Welcome to the Nintendo Prime podcast episode 81 the final one to end the year of 2022 and as you can see We're doing something crazy. We're doing something new. We're doing something for the first time And not just having three people not just having four we've been there Why not make it a six pack because that's how we're going to do it to end the year And you know what if it ends up going well and you guys really enjoy it Maybe this is something we could try a bit more often in 2023. So it's sort of an experiment But also I'll hell of a lot of fun. At least I think it's going to be fun. Maybe it's going to be too wild and crazy So let's get all the introductions all the way first up. I am your host as always nathan and rubble jance The other guy the but the other big man on screen You guys know he's Eric mortis co-host podcast. Hello everybody All right down on the bottom. We got uh, let's go left right. We got mike odyssey. How's it going? Yep Then son bro nation What's up everyone happy to be here? Andres restarts right next to him Hello, how's the guys? How you guys doing? And then you know the height man himself who's busy pouring something I don't know what he's doing. He just beat elden ring. So he's he's all sorts of jacked up at the moment Okay Hey guys, how you doing? He's got a hell yeah, he's either jacking himself up more or he's trying to calm down I'm not sure which way he's going at the moment, but that looks like caffeine All right, well guys we have we have a jam-packed show. Uh, we're gonna be talking about tears of the kingdom Oh, man, who no one wants no one even likes that game, right? I'm just waiting for that game to come out so people can stop talking about it. Oh my Yeah It's gonna be every video topic for like the next two years. Um All right, we're talking a little bit about some I don't know switch pro or I guess maybe not switch pro I don't know some weird stuff happened today or over the last 24 hours that we're gonna talk about Or maybe nothing happened. Maybe it's a nothing burger. I don't know We'll get there mic we'll get there we'll get there We know you dropped a 21 minute video today on how nothing it is There's nothing you sure had a lot to say. Um, yeah, exactly. I had a lot to say about it being nothing Yeah, then we get into our final topic which is gonna be making some predictions bold predictions conversations about things We expect coming to Nintendo switch in 2023 We'll obviously just recap quickly the things we already know because like hey guys the zelda games are coming I sure I predict that oh, you know what Right, that's that's not gonna that's not gonna fly. It's a phenomenal All right, let's just let's just get into the way we start every podcast with what we have been playing lately Uh, and you know what let's start with Hmm. Eenie meenie miney mo. Let's go with Eric. How you doing? What are you doing? My switch is actually here. I was actually playing for a little while. Um sparks. I hope again I'm still working on the third level, but uh, third world world the world. Sorry my fault. Hey god You know, there's a difference between level and world. There's world The original mario bros taught you nothing I'm sorry. Yeah, you're right world one one. Yeah, exactly. Um, so no, I've been playing some more sparks I hope freaking still love it. It's Yeah, so that's all I've been playing That's awesome. Uh, all right next up. Let's get let's bring mike odyssey up here bud. What are you been playing lately? Hey, I'm big. What's up? Been to the gym clearly. All right, so basically I've been uh playing uh I've been uh playing um final fantasy. Um crisis core, which is Incredible by the way, love it on the switch on the switch It's running flawlessly. Why I don't I haven't played it on a xbox or a ps5 um I was debating with him between getting on ps5 and and inspiration. You know what? I'm gonna just because you know what happened with Sonic I ended up spending a hundred bucks. I'm like, no, whatever but um final fantasy Doing good, um, you know, I like to replay games. They I know you don't like to replay games I like to replay games on the game. It's very rare though. Um, uh, so yeah final fantasy Um, I went back to animal crossing by the way on christmas day I went ahead and reboot it. I erased it and started on that day I'm just curious what happens if you ask when you started in you start in the winter And it's actually a completely different game in the winter Because there's no bugs. You can't catch any bugs. It's really hard to find things in unless you complete tasks So you have to kind of, you know, it's you have to be very creative in winter So if you start in the southern hemisphere for those of you in australia, like, you know Uh, when you get the game and you know, it's actually a lot difficult So I'm glad that I did that just to kind of know about that a little bit playing mario Um, and just just rambling. That's it so much. Oh, yeah, and uh, I got my tea my vid tea It's pretty good. Now. I can actually talk without coughing. So I'm good. I'm I'm doing good. I don't have to edit Yeah, for those of you know, Mike's been a little sick over the last few days. He's uh, slowly getting better though. Yeah He's here. I didn't think he was gonna be here today. So I mean, that's You can tell if I talk out, I sound a little out of breath is because of stupid thingy. So it's still there. I just have to Take it easy. No worries. Not contagious. It's not contagious Yeah, I'm I'm dude. You just gave it to me through the camera. What are you Breathing That that's how the internet works, right? Yeah, like you can just throw dollar bills at the camera and it goes out to the audience, right? Well All right, uh, nice. Hey some donation. What are you even playing lately? Man, I've been split lately on games. So gotta war ragnarok is taking all my free time when I can do it 25 hours in but I'm not towards the end yet. The story keeps getting better I made the mistake of playing that on give me gotta war difficulty Which broke me after about 18 hours in and I downgraded To give me no mercy and it's just because the naming. Why do they got a name? It give me gotta war when that's the name of the game. It's clever They baited me into it But anyway after like just being stuck for I don't know two and a half hours on the same boss fight I was like, it's time to downgrade and enjoy this game a little bit So I've now been swiftly making more progress through that and then I'm playing a pokemon violet every time I get a chance It's my favorite ps2 rpg. I've played in years. It's fantastic. Uh, no, obviously it's it's great I'm having a lot of fun with it minus the performance issues And then a little bit of sonic frontiers, but honestly for how hyped I was about sonic frontiers I haven't not gotten the time to put into it that I want to yet So it's it got a war ragnarok's kind of taking the top priority right now Then violet and frontiers will get completed as I have time. So Nice nice nice. All right. Anders restart. What are you been playing lately? so I was still I'm still playing a little bit of pokemon myself and uh, mark art because of the dlc but uh I have this idea for like a versus conversation On my channel where you take two different games that are kind of comparable and like compare them So I don't want to say exactly what it is yet, but Basically, I went rummaging through my boxes yesterday and I found my we you and I dusted it off And I'm playing win waker hd. I fired it back up again It's actually one of my most favored games to replay. I think it might be like the most replayable zelda And uh, I'm having a good time with it so far It's win waker hd. It's amazing. Yeah, that's awesome. I got tired of waiting for it to come on the switch I actually bought a Wii U Is that not one of the best like aged zelda games? Like it just Oh, yeah, I don't know what it is And the Wii U version of the site is a maz ahead of the game Like it took care of every issue the game conversion had and just like that game's a treasure now The only issue I have with it. I wish I could play it with a switch controller, but you know, hopefully one day Maybe in like three years You know, you know, I have to know after all these years. I haven't booted up in a while. Are you still finding tingle bottles out there? um Wasn't looking Oh, that's sad. See back in the heyday, you didn't really have to look. There was just so many if you had any friends Yeah, I don't know if there's a lot of active players in that game at the moment Uh, it's okay. What are you been playing lately? Oh, man, dude, where do I begin? So like right before I came into this, uh, chat I was telling the boys that I literally just be elden ring And oh, wow, you just be everywhere. I'm like, listen, I have Like I'm pushing 200 hours into the game and I just beat it because I did not want that game to end It was just like that that's a games game. That's that game is All things magical and I'm gonna I'm gonna try and platinum it so I've been playing a lot of that I've also been playing a lot of breath of the wild and ocular of time like Back and forth because I'm like, okay. No, I'm gonna have to settle the argument in my head I'm like, which one is number one for me because I'm like, is it like Like for for a couple of years after breath of the wild came out. I'm like, right This is number one, but then I play ocular of time again. I'm like, damn this game is so good Right, but then I'm like, you know Number one, they're they're both tied for number one at this point Like it's just whatever I'm feeling and then along with that I've been playing a lot of Pokemon Scarlet I've been playing a lot of final fantasy Seven crisis core reunion and then surprisingly enough like during Christmas. I decided to boot it up again I just decided to start playing Um Kingdom Hearts 358 days over two for the ds Just I'm like, you know, let me just let me just start playing this game again And I just been doing a whole new run of that. Nice. That's what I've been playing lately, you know And you guys got me I'm fighting between elder ring and um god of war. I don't know what's want to play first I'm like debating That game is personalized It's personalized. I mean it's game of the year. So I might as well give it. Give it. Yeah. Give it that as long as you Might get master core. I'm gonna buy elder ring. That's what I do. Yeah. There you go. So So My fiance got me a playstation 5 for christmas, which was Like congrats. That's awesome. Awesome. So I already Filled those little backs for I had a playstation 5 once before Um, but we went on a vacation like a year ago and we were supposed to go on a completely different vacation and her Uh visa didn't work not her visa her passport Because of COVID it was all messed up. It was super hard to get it So we couldn't get in time. So we had to rapid switch our vacation and we couldn't get all the money back from one of them Uh from where we were going. So I ended up selling the piece to sort of help pay for the vacation Uh, anyways, she's felt bad about it ever since I kept telling her don't feel bad about I'm a nintendo channel. I'm good I still got switch games like I'm I'm good. I got next class. I gotta switch. I can't stop to play Uh, but yeah, so she got me the ps5. So I went back. I've been playing uh, spider-man remastered on it The last few days, uh, I already beat the thing is I never played it originally and I beat my zeralis first Hmm A little bit there a little bit Still a weird knowing what exactly is Sort of gonna happen, but that's okay. Um, it's still still a hell of a hell of a lot of fun That's what I've been playing some of that and then um, mario party superstars with the kids over the holidays here I'm playing a lot of that as well. Um, and then good game And then I got a new Controller the other day for the xbox series. So It's a nice one. I want you know, it's I don't mind really into the camo, but I am into the blue No, no, it's kind of a color on my channel. I'm not sure if people are So, Nate, let me ask you would you say the ps5 is like Your most regretted gaming item you sold or there's something else you regret selling more I have a personal regret. I'll tell you I regret selling with you. Okay Okay, so mine is similar. I still have my will you as I mentioned earlier But this is probably a hint as to what versus discussion i'm working on playing through winwick or hd right now But there's another zelda game that I've been hunting for And I really regret selling it back when I did that's I have an idea That's why I printed safety It is a real pain to find I was All over miami today trying to find it Couldn't find it looking online. Hey, try to miami Yeah, miami Yeah Yeah, we have three people in here from florida, of course This is a florida dominated podcast Florida sucks, man Hey, at least you know how to hit not in buffalo with 49 inches of snow. So oh, no, give me some. I want that 49 inches though Yeah, that's that's like as tall as me almost that's that's not good But yeah, it's it's really hard to find twilight princess hd like I even I realized today Oh, I can't even like buy it on my will you like e-shop like you you're not allowed to add There's still a way to add it to your nintendo account And then somehow that balance will transfer to your we you if you link like your old nintendo id with the new one I think it's until march you have until the end of march before they shut that So you go straight to nintendo's website. Mm-hmm something like that. There's still a way There's still a way because I remember reading through like it's the end of march of 2023 is the cutoff where nothing can be bought Nothing nothing. I might do that. Yeah Just have a digitally dollar well 60 dollars worth of e-shop points just so I can try and get twilight princess hd Because I gave up on getting the physical version Yeah, so I might do that It's still gonna be cheaper than hunting it down physically because nobody's gonna sell a friend or under 50 bucks It's 50 bucks on the e-shop. So I mean, that's better than 120 or you know I think wind waker hd is only 20 on the e-shop Like whenever I booted that up to make an e-shop video when that one all went down They they announced that it was 20 bucks for wind waker hd. I was like this is this is a steal Even if you're not a you know, if you don't like to buy digital that's still too too cheap to pass up Man, unfortunately I had to get mines digital because I remember when wind waker hd came out For some weird reason it came out like a week before digitally than physically and I'm like why and I'm always like I need my things physical But I don't want to wake up a whole week to play wind waker again about that I remember that time we're start for games too. Like oh, yeah Yeah, it was bad. So I was in the same boat as you I just got wind waker hd immediately digitally because I I needed a game for my wii to play The only thing I was playing was new super marbles you and pigment three. That was it like All of duty on my wii you that's how bad it was Not I really like black ops two wasn't bad. That was that was great But you know But you know, you know, by the way Something else like a zelda Yeah, anyone who's super chats, by the way, there was one earlier if it's about a topic We're going to cover later. Don't worry. I have all the super chat saved So we'll we'll bring it up during the specific topic. I think we have one already about the switch pro stuff So we'll we'll get to that later Speaking of the topics the very first topic And this is I don't know if we'll get off this topic. We'll see tears of the kingdom tears of the kingdom So there's been a few things that have happened over the last few weeks esrb ratings no alcohol That was sort of a notable thing. I guess compared to breath of the wild. I got through you about that We also had a thing happen today We're some advertising at a dutch retailer It looked like one of those little pamphlet magazines that just like gamestop hands out and advertises games I had a mention of nintendo switch online In there which is interesting because nintendo switch online isn't mentioned for every switch game In those type of things. So what is the reasoning for that and notably down in the right corner? It did show like Single player per console, but it said per console didn't necessarily preclude co-operating. I have no clue what's happening there I have an idea as well. I'm sure you do I'm sure you do But i'm going to let eric go first Because he actually has something to say about this and he's been begging me for like three hours Tell everyone to shut up and let me talk eric I actually have a thought for once For once in my life. So You know nate's nate's going on about this multiplayer stuff and it's like okay. That that's a good theory Now i'm gonna throw this out there and see if any gonna be anybody can pick up on my theory links awakening the new one Don't don't don't put that in my head No Yo That's like, oh, she could shrines or she could shrines. Yep. Equivalence. Oh, I mean, it plays all the correct words, right? Oh, boy. Oh, my. It was a breath of the wild and just rework all, remix all the things and all the shrines in that game. It will be infinite gameplay. Awesome. It's an amazing idea. OK. I have a community movement behind me. My theory for Eric's now, I'm not going to talk anymore. I'll let you guys do it. Now, my idea feels like that just came out of no. I wasn't even thinking about that. Wow. I was mostly why you were doing your video earlier today. I was mostly like, oh, I saw you doing that. And I was like, is he like trying to play Legos? No. Dungeon Builder. Can you imagine if they actually like, because like Dungeon Building in 2D for Link's Awakening was like, OK, I can see how this is like done. You place enemies here, place them in here, but like translating that over the 3D sounds a little, a little crazy. So I was like thinking if they were to take that idea, they could still do something like that for like, you know, Sheikah Shrine Equivalents or whatever, where like, OK, Sheikah Shrines that has this, like lava traps, this type of enemies, this, that, that. You list them all. And then imagine that the game procedurally generates it. Oh, there it is. And I'm like, boom. That's infinite gameplay right there. Now, that was like, oh, Magnetism Kingdom like above Breath of the Wild. On that alone, on that alone. Uh-uh. It wouldn't be smart if they, if they did that at all, it would be very smart for them to attach it to a major Zelda game, like a mainline one, as opposed to, and will there be the adoption rate of Zelda Dungeon Maker, the game, like Mario, like I don't think it's going to sell that well if they do it as a standalone, but if you attach it as an optional mode to your biggest mainline Zelda, that's that would be the way to do it. I like that theory. Yeah, because think back to when Breath of the Wild came out, like you would just see all these different little videos of people doing crazy stuff with Breath of the Wild. So you're right. It would just, it would probably like make itself maybe even better, because people continually share all the crazy stuff you do with this. Like that would. The question is, what does the tool set look like? Because, you know, they would have to, you know, if you think about the amount of options that go into a 3D dungeon for Zelda, and maybe that's how they get around not giving us traditional dungeons this time. It's like, hey guys, that's community stuff now. You have fun with it on the side. That's like something you can do. No, no. I'm just saying that they could add more value. So it's a combination of Link's Awakening with Mario Maker, where you can go up online and then see everybody's dungeon or kind of play unlimited dungeons all the way through. There you go. Like a dungeon rush mode. I think it's just a test ground for that Link's Awakening was. It was a test ground. See how it works and, you know, see if people liked it and, you know, kind of get their feet wet on it and. Yeah, there's precedent for that. Nintendo does do that. Like when you look at, like, for example, Link Between Worlds, like the dungeons were out of order and what happened in Breath of the Wild, the dungeons were out of order. Yo, you guys are giving me ideas, man, because, like, imagine they do that, like in Super Mario Maker, where you can make a world or do infinitely dungeons that people create online. But then at the same time, when people make dungeons, they put parameters on people's, like you can only take this amount of weapons into this dungeon. Or you can only take electric weapons into this dungeon. Or you can no shields into this dungeon. Ooh. Wow. Damn. Setting specific challenges. And then, obviously, there'll be, like, the Eventide Island challenge, right? Or, like, what they did in the deal, the first way of the DLC, where, what was it called? The Trial of the Sword. Yeah, exactly. Like that, yeah! Yeah. That'd be really cool. I would cry. We're too hyped, and I'm gonna be so... In other words, Nintendo, see this panel right here? We should all be hired to be idea people for your next game. Right, yeah. But it's in a boardroom when there's equal to Tears of the Kingdom starts development. Now, hey, can I say what I hope it is? And I don't think it's necessarily dead. I feel like we're gonna have the same idea. Well, okay, well, again, in HMK, you just mentioned beating Elden Ring. Yeah, we're in the same page. Okay, good. So the co-op summon mechanic in that game is so much fun with friends. Like, I purposely go through a Souls game the first time completely solo, and then I'll do it a whole other new game plus run with summoning and friends. And so the mechanic is, is they're not just in your world for the entire thing. It's more of a you're in a new area leading to a boss, and you can summon them in for that section of the game. They help you, they get their experience points, and they go back to their world. Then you can hop into their world and repeat that same boss in their file if they haven't beaten it yet. Elden Ring, they did it a little bit different because it's an open world game, but the same core concept was applied where you're not co-opping the entire game together like Pokemon of Scarlet and Violet style, but you are able to bring another player into your world. Now the question really then becomes is how do you do that when Link is the main person? And then it's like, is that Link in Zelda or is that Link a 10,000 year old hero and then the current day Link or something and they're somehow time traveled into the same world? I don't know, but that's what I hope it is because I think that would add a lot of fun to the gameplay with friends. That's the first thing you could keep a Zelda game with the same core formula, but then take on bosses together and help each other out. And then you would have like an enemy, a damage basically, like the game would compensate because it's two players on one, they would legitimately be tougher to beat because you have two players instead of one. That's what I hope it is, but. You know what's crazy about that? Like Nintendo is like already one foot into that door for both online and offline application. Wolf Link, save your Link to an Amiibo and take it to someone else's house and then summon that Link in specific sections like you were talking about just like in Soulsborn's games. They're so close. They're so close yet they're so far away. Why? Nintendo's never gonna do this. They're gonna do something else. In the Soulsborn games, they're like phantoms, right? Like when you do, when you say you're P3P3, why don't they just bring back Shadow Link? There you go. And the theory is, yeah. And seriously, it's supposed to maybe be darker, right? Like, well, what if there were just like the occasional Shadow Links you see in different parts of the world and that's kind of like, it's basically, I mean, basically, yeah, take the mechanics straight out of like a Soulsborn game, which I don't even think is like too crazy for them to do because you look at Breath of the Wild, they took a lot of ideas from other open world games. So why can't they take more out of other games since then? Agreed. I think it would be really cool to if, I mean, it could even be something that's a mechanic that's unlocked further into the game, but like to your point, even if it's not another character, maybe it's like Link's arm ability can, you know, generate a second form, a figure. You know, if it's, if we're talking phantom, it could be like a green figure that it just looks like Link, but now you're playing co-op with a friend. I think that would be the biggest game changer for replayability too. And just like if you were each on your own adventure, but you could help out a buddy where they're at in their adventure and summon into their world, I would, I don't know, I'm all for it. That's what I was thinking. I was thinking like four swords where each of them has like a little different part. Oh man, making four swords relevant. What do you think it is? Anybody just think that that's not likely in that it's actually just a side mode because I could see there being like a total, like it's not a part of the main game at all, but there's an optional menu you can hop into from the, you know, main menu screen where it's like a co-op mode, like a four swords or like a, but it's only two players or maybe it is all four. If we're right, it's gonna be in the main game. If we're right, if not, it's just not gonna be in there. It's just gonna be cloud safe and that's what the mechanic is. Yeah, who thinks it's just cloud safe, but why would they have an NSO icon like that? Oh yeah, that's right. Mike, you felt trying to know that too. I'm gonna, the reason why I'm saying this is because right now, everything you guys are seeing on the hype, putting my hype level all the way to the roof. I didn't want it doesn't happen. I don't have a parachute. I'm like, well, all the way up there. We're overhyped. We're overhyped. But yeah, we just proved that it's cloud saves. Like for sure that it's not, that it's something more than cloud saves. Can we just, can we prove that? Does it have it now? The only thing I can say about the cloud save thing is that there isn't, for all the other ads. So I reached out to some people that had access to these ads in the Dutch retailers and they said that this isn't listed on every Switch exclusive game and most of the Switch exclusive games have cloud saves. So it's kind of interesting that this is one that is specifically there, which indicates there's something. We don't know what. And one idea brought up by Katsuni84. Thank you so much for the $5. I mentioned, I think Nintendo Online Mention is about DLC for the game being free on the online expansion. Oh, I keep forgetting they do that. Yeah, that's actually a really good idea. That's a solid point. That's a really interesting possibility. I mean, but they don't do that for all DLC. I kind of feel like, I mean, they did it for Mario Kart 8 and I feel like that would still do it. Yeah, and Animal Crossing. Like Xenoblade Chronicles 3 had that whole expansion pass outlined and it's a major game for them and they want to sell it first. I think they may throw that into the expansion pack later on, but they might want to make their 30 or 40 bucks, you know. Or what if it's just, Here's to the Kingdom, cloud version. No. Don't say that. Well, there's a cloud version to the Kingdom. That would suggest there's new hardware, but let's not go on that. Whoa, whoa, we'll talk about that later. At most, I really think it's something attributed to DLC or even that of save reading, like online bonuses. Like, hey, if you have NSO and you have Tears of the Kingdom, you get this bonus and then unlock the champion's tunic early in the game, he starts with it, but a lot of this earlier because more and more developers are starting to do that now or like, hey, if, like, you know. I don't think that's part of the game. Let me see. Yeah, okay. I don't know what. That's not part of the game. I'm not sure if it's, it is. I like how the aperture is like really turned up high so like, I can't see if I get the better details of that box. He's done this now with two different other podcasts. Well, for a moment, for a moment, I almost believed him for a moment, for a moment. Maybe in like March, I would be more willing to vial in. This is a side thought, but we're all gonna have to really do a good job of dodging all of the leaks that's gonna hit like it does for every Nintendo Switch game two weeks before this game comes out because people will be posting the ending online. That's scary times. I'm absorbing all of it. I'm not even ashamed, just kidding. That's completely fair valid, but like I've become so good at dodging spoilers, man. I've lived through Breath of the Wild. I've lived through Kingdom Hearts 3. I've lived through Melody of Memory, the Remind DLC, all this stuff, man. Like I didn't even know what the endings look like fell during it up until now. Like I just, I'm bunkering down to the Kingdom Desert. No, I waited for one. There will be like the, even when the game comes out day one, there will be the people that will put the final boss fight as their thumbnail. Yeah. Not even day one, day zero, like day negative one. They will do that. Thumbnails is the main thing that gets me because you can't look away fast enough and once you've seen it, you can't unsee it. And we do YouTube, so we can't get off YouTube. We've got to be here. Now I got the hyperlink set up that goes straight into my studio. So like the YouTube studio channel, like I go straight there. Like no homepage visits, no, nothing. Just like that's where like the straight analytics. As soon as like a whisper of there. Game has leaked. Oh, all righty then. Goodbye, homepage. Boom. Oh man. So does anyone else have any like interesting ideas on what this might be, the NSO thing? Or we kind of sell that as either a co-op mode or it's DLC? Or cloud safe. Or cloud. I don't want to call it co-op purse. I mean, it's what sort of co-op, but yeah. Yeah. Like some sort of like online integration when it comes to like, it's not really multiplayer or anything like that, but like they're able to integrate to other states. But I also think it's DLC or classic. That's what I'm leaning towards. You know, I trust, I would love like the multiplayer Dark Souls aspect to it, but I'm like, no on Nintendo. I'm like, yo, Nintendo, are you gonna do that? Does seem a little bit too good for a Nintendo. As far as- No, they've been very quiet. I'm just saying, they've been very quiet with this game for some reason. I don't know. Both ideas we talked about, I can kind of see. Like I can see them doing it. Maybe they add it as like DLC afterwards. Like it's part of like that wave one. It feels like wave one DLC kind of stuff, like remixing the gameplay, but it's not something you get in your initial playthrough. There should be something big that we're not even thinking about. Because if you really think about it, this is the longest mainline Zelda game has ever been in development. Granted, that's going through pandemic season, but still, this is also using the same base Hyrule from Breath of the Wild. No matter how much they change it, they already had a ton of the framework done for this game. Something's gotta be big that we're not even, that quote where our name was like, you will visit, don't worry, you will revisit the land of Hyrule and the skies and beyond, I'm like, that word, that one word got me really twisted. Like how beyond can we get? That's why that's probably the big, what are they working on thing? I'm confident in Nintendo. Like, cause like, my expectations were pretty high with Breath of the Wild throughout. And I was there since the beginning when they announced it. Like when I first went to E3 2016 and everything like that, but every expectation I've had for that game was like blown out of the water when I had my hands on it, right? So I'm completely confident that I'm gonna, I'm gonna relive that all over again for Tears of the Kingdom in new ways. You know, so, you know, like obviously, Ajio Numa producing the game is like, you know, he has a really good track record, but a lot of people really don't talk about the fact that, you know, Hitamara Fujiwara, who's directed this Breath of the Wild Skyward Sword. I'm like, I believe in that man. Like this, it's gonna be good. It's gonna be good. I have, I am not worried in the slightest. I just want to know more about the game. It's like- Well, and that's sort of a nice transition because the weirdest thing is that we're less than six months away. We know so little, which is just unusual for any Zelda game at this point. We usually know quite a bit already. And it's just sort of general marketing at this point. But honestly, we're still waiting for a blowout and what the hell they're actually going to show. Cause for some people, they still need to sell them the game. Like, you're getting in no matter what, but for others, they're kind of like, I just kind of looked at the same game. Oh, you're in the sky. That doesn't really mean much to me. You know, hey, we have those patents about shooting arrows at things while we're falling. Is that like a thing? How does that work? Is that even in the game? How is Hyrule any different? We don't have Sheikah towers. Is there a different way of quick travel? Or what are you replacing shrines with? Or are shrines back in a different way? And we have all these questions because like I watch a lot of Zelda theory videos. And one thing that bothers me when I watch a lot of these theory videos, and I'm not going to call anyone specifically, but a lot of them at like the things they've said in prior videos are now facts today. When we don't really know, cause there hasn't enough information to claim anything's a fact. And that's sort of the problem for me. Is that like, hey, is that actually getting into it? We really don't know anything about this game. Well, that's what I'm saying, but that's the thing. We don't, it could be somebody else we don't know. Ganondorf, man, like I understand what you're saying. We're like, like, oh, are we going to go to the past? Are we going to go to the future and stuff like that? Yeah, but that's Ganondorf. Like, come on, man, he's seen playing in the background. Like, come on, I feel like. Even like the figure on the wall, like some people think it's like Hyrule or whatever. And I'm like, maybe. Oh, you mean in the latest trailer? In the latest trailer, yeah. Yeah, like it could be Halea. It could be an interpretation of another tribe, how they see Halea or it could be another goddess. Like, there's the possibilities, but nothing's been confirmed. Well, they told us that the title of the game would spoil the game, but tears of the kingdom while it might be setting up, like the progression of you have to go collect the tears, whatever, it doesn't spoil that much. So like, what are, Exactly, I remember when that interview came out with Trin and I'm like, like, okay, it's going to be a spoiler. Like, okay, we're going to find out the name. And we found out the name. I'm like, I got none. Like, I got theories, but I got none. And I'm like, what was the spoiler? Is it going to be sad? People are going to be crying. Yeah, it's all the guys will cry. That's right. All I know is I want to sit here and we find out it's not Ganondorf. I'm just going to clap. No, man. No, that's not going to clap. And I'm going to move on. No, no, no, no. This is something I can bet my bomb dollar. Like, if it's not Ganondorf, where it's like, okay, it's Ganondorf shriveled up body, but then demise inhabits it, but not it's Ganondorf, bro, like red hair. We got the like the malice eyes that were used by Calamity Ganon. And what do you call the theme? His theme was playing in the background, the Gerudo like adornments in his jewelry and is what do you call that? Like a, like a robe or like, come on. Pretender to the ground. Pretender to the ground. They had to hide that body for a reason. That's part of the mystery. That's part of the tears. Tears of the kingdom. Yes. Ready, eat, and then up. So what? Oh, sorry. Oh, let's try the transition and do a sorry. I had a trigger. No, you're good. I had to give him another triggering. Um, I don't know. So let's try the transition. When do you guys think this blowout's happening? And more specifically, what do you think they're going to be? What's like the first thing they're going to explain about this game in the blowout that you feel like we need to know? I got all the dates. I got all, all the dates. Okay, all right, you're up. Listen, listen, Linda, listen, listen. Lin, whoa. Hey, Karen, let's calm down. Listen, listen. So February, February, Nintendo Direct, we're expecting one. We're only going to get some type of trailer. Um, he's going to come up on the screen and say, Hey, I'm sorry, blah, blah, blah. We are going to have a full blown tears of the kingdom, um, direct, right? March will be the direct in March, not February. March will be the full tears of the kingdom direct with, of course, uh, treehouse with gameplay. And I saw that they just, uh, retrade mark, uh, in December, they renewed the trademark for Nintendo minute. Um, so it looks like they're bringing back Nintendo minute. And this could be a, it could be reintegrated into the Nintendo Direct. So they can give us some gameplay in that full Nintendo Zelda direct. So my, I say it's March. I say, I say we'll get another trailer, some kind of trailer in February. But I say we get a full direct in March, April. We'll get the Mario movie may we get the Zelda, the new Zelda. Mike, like that, that timeline is perfect because like we get, we get the direct in February. We get the tears of the kingdom direct or blow our event or whatever in Nintendo Treehouse in March. Maybe early March, mid March. And then the first playable demo at the end of March at Pax East in Boston. What? Hmm. I'll be there. Pax East is happening at the end of March. They do that ahead of time. And then they have the first ever playable demo, like two months before the game comes on. I already got my Pax East ticket. And I'm like, bro, the last time I was at Pax was like 2020 and they had that gigantic Animal Crossing booth. Nintendo Canon will do it. Like, I'm going to go get my ticket right now. I'm telling you. So my theory is a little bit different than that. I think what they're going to do is I think that they're going to make it another. It's either going to be a show opener or closer at the February Direct. It's going to be a deeper look, probably like a three to five minute trailer, but we see for sure gameplay, not just like these quick cuts of him jumping and landing. And then you get a gameplay trailer. It's combat. Combat. We're going to get gameplay reveal. We're going to get some story stuff answered. They're probably going to show a little bit of whether or not Zelda is playable even, or maybe just give the dynamic, give a little bit of a deeper look at the dynamic with Lincoln Zelda and how this game looks. But I think that that's all they mentioned it at the February Direct. And then I think they just do a traditional, like how we've seen Nintendo market just about every game recently, which is that one direct trailer and then just a bunch of lead up launch trailer and overview trailer, you know, basically just tweeting them out day by day. We're just going to wake up to, oh, we got a new tears of the kingdom trailer as we get closer to May 12th when it finally launches. So I don't think we get a Zelda Direct because I think even though I would like a Zelda Direct, I don't, even though there's a lot of unanswered questions about the game, Zelda is kind of one of those protected franchises where gamers don't want to know too much about it either. Like they don't necessarily want to see a 30 minute blowout presentation, like Xenoblade style of, well, maybe you do HMK, but I mean, I mean, I, what, I just said I want the whole game spoil for me. So I'm good with whatever they want to tell me. That's fine too. But I do think that there's an element to the, just the surprise, but I do, I could see them doing, I don't think it's all the direct, but I could see them doing a separate treehouse 15 minute gameplay section with them talking about mechanics. Yeah, mostly gameplay mechanics and like combat stuff. That's what I want to like beef with life. If you want to be mum on the story, be my guest, but I need to see how mechanically and combat wise, this game is going to set itself apart from Breath of the Wild. Like that's what I've been itching. Like, like I don't need to hear anything about story. I don't even need to know what tears of the kingdom means. So it's like, bro, let me see Link swing a sword. Like, come on. Yeah. I mean, they need a game to show off a new hardware. So it might as well. Like here we go. Pull off what I'm like, we'll get, we'll get to the new hardware later. I know, I didn't, I did it for Nate. I know he was a little bit. Oh boy. I feel like something that should be pointed out. If we look at each mainline traditional Zella, they've always had like an E three where they get kind of showcased. This is the first time we're going to get a major Zelda without having an E three showcase. So it's a very unique situation. Like we don't really have a good precedent to see how Nintendo is going to want to market this Zelda. So I feel like we are spitballing, right? Like obviously there's going to be something, at least something, right? Like probably a February direct is going to be mentioned. I love the idea of a Zella direct. I love the idea of a tree house. I mean, I think we should get all of that. Like I just think they should market the crap out of it. Will they? I mean, that's obviously a tough call right now, especially like there's the other, I know you don't want to get to this topic yet, but I feel like it's relevant. There's the question of will there be new hardware? Now this new hardware, it could just be like a Zelda OLED. And if it's just a Zella OLED, then maybe they announced that two months beforehand and there you go. The same way they handled the Pokemon one and the Splatoon one. It could be as simple as that. But if there's new hardware, then maybe they got to put something out sooner. So like in my head, right? Like the earliest possible, we see something about this is like a week after Fire Emblem Engaged, like the very end of January, but that's the earliest possible. Like I think more likely we see like, the second or third week of February, we get a direct and then after that, I'm kind of, I'm split between it being a tree house or like a specific game direct. Cause I think you bring up a good point. Like some donation, like will they want to have a whole direct or they showcase everything? Or will a tree house that's kind of similar to what they did back at E3 2016 for Breath of the Wild where they just show us the Great Plateau for 30 minutes. Like that would kind of give us the answers that we would want from a direct anyway. Cause we don't want the story. We want a height trailer to tease the story. But yeah, just give us like 30 minutes of gameplay in a particular area that's early, just so we can see the mechanics. So either war. This guy. I do think to expand on that just real quickly that I do think we'll see Nintendo do a full marketing push this time. Or like, because if you just look at how they've been doing every Kirby or Fire Emblem or anything that's upcoming, you know, even like Metroid Dread, the push that that got, this is the most anticipated sequel to a Zelda game ever. And it's also going to be the best selling Zelda game ever more than likely with what Breath of the Wild accomplished. So I think that they go guns blazing on this thing. Like, I think we probably see multiple weeks of new trailer announcements. Main, you know, they'll do billboards and like Times Square. We'll see ads pop up all over the globe about, like I think they're going to go full blowout for this. But then yeah, the hardware thing is going to be an interesting conversation for later too, because gosh, if there was ever a time to do it and launch something new, even if it is just an OLED switch, I don't know why you wouldn't do one or the other right now with the kind of title that this is for Nintendo. So look, this is what's going to happen. I'm just going to lay down the law right now. Oh boy, oh boy, oh man. But I think it's a fairly safe one because I'm looking at how they marketed Breath of the Wild, which I know a little different. They're trying to sell a system along with it. We don't know if that's what they're going to try to do at this point. But I think they also saw how well that marketing work to drive hype for specifically Breath of the Wild, which outsold the switch at launch. That's how big the hype was for the game. It was bigger than the hype for the actual system. That's how big the hype was at launch. So here's what's going to happen. It's going to be about mid-February. They'll let fire and engage come out and all that. They're not going to want to own that launch and that's fine. They'll do their mid-February direct, like they basically do every single year. And they'll have other things showing off. Heck, maybe they announced a Mario game or something. I don't know. They'll have other things they show off and they'll end it or start it with Zelda. But either way, there will be a treehouse directly following it for about a 45 minute play-through of whatever the opening area of this game is just like they did with Breath of the Wild. Since we can't go hands-on and do it, they'll just treehouse it. Now they might end up going hands-on at the PAX events and stuff like that, obviously heading into launch. But the point is, at that point, it'll be the first time we get to see raw gameplay to sell people on the opening. And the big thing about this opening area, because obviously I think that this game might have a smidge of expectation from Nintendo that you've played the prior game. Yeah. I know that usually you don't do that with Zelda games. Almost every Zelda game is like, oh, no, no, no, no. You can stand on its own, even if it's a sequel. Absolutely. But there's still sometimes that understanding you played the prior and they sort of did that with Majora's Mask back in the day. Like, hey, you kind of know how to play. We're not going to teach you how to play. We'll teach you new mechanics of your transformations. You know how to control Link, right? Like you played, you played Arkham, you know what's up. They sort of went with that expectation heading in with that game. And I think they're going to do that this time. So this opening area, while it'll be some sort of tutorial-like area, it's going to be something that's going to look so crazy and so out of this world. And it's just blow our minds so much because they spent so much time developing this game and they had so many crazy ideas that we're going to look at it and go, wait a second. This is just the beginning. That's... Yeah, I see it. Yep. Wait a second. All these trailers you showed us, right? Oh, oh, all that takes place in the first 10 minutes of the game. What is, what's happening right now? Well, this is, what is this? Because it'll be interesting. I think, I don't know how it'll end because I think they'll try to get through the opening area or almost get through all of it. Because, you know, it'll probably be either a prerecorded or potentially be a live treehouse. I don't know how they're going to do it, but I just kind of think like, they'll let fire them engage do its thing. I know some people think they'll talk about it in January and you know what, maybe they will. Marketing material is already going out to retailers. So maybe that's an indication that something's coming in early January potentially. And maybe they don't think it's going to hurt the sales of Fire Emblem because of two different audiences. I have no idea. Because they can drop a trailer anytime they want. They don't even need a direct, right? Like they, they put them in that time and time again. They just drop things whenever the hell they feel like it. But I just, I don't know. Like it kind of feels like they could do that. Obviously they could do a Zelda only direct. I don't know. I think a treehouse is more important than a direct. I think this is the game where, you know, just like with Breath of the Wild where the gameplay sells the game. So having a longer play through session, I think it makes sense. What I do want to know is what do you guys think about the idea of, because they don't have like a massive public event that the whole world will come to. Yeah, they have packs potentially to play the game. What about a potential demo for everyone to play? That would be awesome. You had more time to develop this game than any other Zelda. To download? Yo, data miners, man. Don't doubt the data miners, man. I would love that. Nintendo's have learned the hard way multiple times in the past. So I'm like, I don't know about a downloadable demo. As much as I love that, Nintendo's also done downloadable demos for recent games and all they did is they just said it's one part of the game and there's nothing else in the code. You can't get to anywhere else. But more usually that's games that are multiplayer that they need to do a little bit of like an online stress test. I don't, they didn't do it for Xenoblade. No, they didn't do it for Xenoblade. Or Bayonetta. Or Mario Rabbids, or Kirby. Yeah. Kirby got the one. I'm just throwing another. And don't get me wrong. Before, with Breath of the Wild, I prayed like every day that Nintendo would release like a playable demo of the Great Plateau. Because we, especially because it got pushed into 2017. But, you know. And not everyone got to play the Great Plateau multiple times in E3 that year. Right? I'm sorry. Oh man, that was amazing. I only have like 12 Zelda coins and 15 shirts. So, Nate, going back on your theory about the Treehouse, you were talking about the Treehouse at the February Direct or separated from the Pre-Direct? Like right after? It would be right after, like immediately after. They tell you during the Direct, stay tuned after for a 45 minute Nintendo Treehouse. Yo, I was screaming. By the way, they've already done this before for other games. So like, they've literally done this in other Directs. So. What if they announced a Mario game? Do you think they would still do the Treehouse Absolutely. Oh, yeah. Mario game would be announced first. That's probably a holiday game. So they got they got lots of time to market that E3 and on. Yeah, they can show. Literally, you just tell you what their E3 will be themed if there's a Mario game announced. It's going to be a Mario game. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, yeah. Unless it's a 2D Mario, then maybe not. I don't know. I want to Bowser's Fury part two. I would love like a whole ass game of Bowser's Fury. That would be nice. Yeah, that's the talking about beta test. That's what that felt like. It felt like a beta test for open zone Mario. Right. Why don't you be like the Wii U Zelda tech demo and just never becomes an actual full game. Could be that too. That's the whole point of the beta test is they're just throwing paint at all. Just had to rip HMK's heart out one more time. You're just a random little thing that crossed my mind from earlier. Like when we think back to Breath of the Wild, they had a little bit of cross promotion for Xenoblade 2 with. Rex's outfit. Yeah, it's like, it wouldn't shock me if we saw a little bit of cross promotion for other things. Like it might, maybe it goes the other way around. Like we were talking about how like it would be weird if they were to talk about Tears of the Kingdom before Fire Emblem. But what if like there is like some sort of like Zelda outfit or character that was added as a character in the DLC finally engaged just to kind of like get some Zelda fans and they pick up on Fire Emblem while we wait for Tears of the Kingdom. I'm not saying it's likely, it's just kind of like an idea I'm throwing out there. Yeah, I can see them do potentially. Sure. Sure. Man, maybe we could talk about Tears of the Kingdom before I was going to be like, oh, do you think I think Breakable Items will be back? Just because we haven't seen that yet. Yeah, I think so. I mean, cooking and. I'm more impressed with the chemistry in this group right now right now. The people, the group that we have here right now, the back and forth conversation, it's working out pretty well. And something that Nate said in the beginning should probably be a thing. You know, we could call it the six pack and get together. The six pack. Let's do it. Let's do it. Let's do it. The six pack. I bring the tag. Nate and I got the pounds. Six pack and a pound? Six pack and a pound, oh God. Six pack, yeah. This guy's the group. Yeah. Oh, it's cool like that. I like the idea of Treehouse. The first 10 minutes of them explaining kind of what the new powers are. Because we've seen them kind of a hint of them in the trailers and things like that. Where they kind of go over the powers and stuff like that that you get in the new ones. They conveniently leave out one to just kind of leave it as a teaser going into the game. But you know, go over the other ones and then kind of 20 minutes of the first gameplay. So like a half hour Treehouse type thing. They spend like the first 10 minutes going over like new powers and everything like that maybe a little bit of combat. And then they kind of go into the beginning like demo area type thing. You know, I do wonder if, you know, like those powers, there's a lot of assumption that like his arm and like the time, the time ability. And I guess when it turns into like a dragon and shoots fire and stuff that these are sort of the replacements for what the Sheikah Slate was doing. And I get that because we had those four core abilities that just kind of got expanded. And it turns out with physics and everything, you do all this crazy stuff with it, which was awesome. But I wonder if the arm is gonna be more, more like maybe a traditional Zelda where it's an everything item and you unlock abilities for it in dungeons and there's more than four. Oh yeah, yeah. Yeah, I like that idea. Especially cause it feels like it might have like memories, right? And maybe what happens is you go to dungeons that are kind of like, you know, modern versions of like maybe the fire temple or the forest temple and they're uncovered from the initial like sort of Gan Dorf Resurrection earthquake, you explore those dungeons and then it has a memory of, oh, this was the Megaton hammer. This was the hookshot. Maybe memories of links from the past. I was actually thinking with theory that who says there's only one arm and that with each dungeon, you get a different arm where like, oh, you begin with the green arm and then you go to a dungeon and you go with a red arm and a blue arm and these arms are arms of the sages from the past. Yes, yes. I love it. And that's like the first arm and then like each of them have their own set of abilities and whatnot and then you unlock them as you go depending on what dungeon, what, you know, order dungeon you go, right? And then you look into their memories like, oh, this is how we took down Ganondorf of that era and whatnot. And I'm like, God, I need this game now. Like bro. Yep. How do you guys think they can bring back some of the traditional items and like the traditional dungeon formula where you find an item and maybe it's an arm? How can they do that and still keep it truly open world where you could go to the eighth dungeon first? You know what I mean? Like, I guess it's the honest question. I don't know how they would pull it off. Like I feel the only item and like I get it, you guys, like everyone watching and everyone online is like, I know it's a popular pick. I feel like the only item that can break that flow completely is the hookshot. That's why I feel the hookshot is not coming back in terms of the key. Oh, we have to have it back. No, we don't. We don't have that. They wanted to put it in Breath of the Wild. Don't tell me I can't have it. You know why it's not in Breath of the Wild? Because it broke the game. It broke the game. Oh, you're climbing the rain. You want a bath? You can give it a little bit. He's like, how about like a really good range? Like maybe it's just like it only goes like 10 feet or something. Right, there was something. There was something mentioned in one of the patents about the hookshot thing, that little. Yeah. It would be like faster climbing, right? Or maybe you can use a little bit like Spider-Man. Like if you're falling, you can use it last real quick, which would be really cool. But, you know, it wouldn't change the game. It would just speed up the game kind of like Revali's Gale. Like, OK, now I can climb faster. Or if I fall, I could just fly back up. Maybe they gimp the hookshot enough towards just basically just something that kind of speeds up your movement, as opposed to, you know, just breaking everything. Right. And then we also have to entertain the idea that, yeah, Breath of the Wild did it. Yeah, A Link Between Worlds did it. But, you know, I wouldn't hate it if Tears of the Kingdom had a little bit, not completely, but a little bit of linearity to it in terms of like, oh, you know, we can't get to Dungeon 5 unless we at least beat Dungeon 2. Groups. Right. Yeah, I grew up, yeah, grouping Dungeons and whatnot. Like, think, like, our free time kind of did it, right? Firstly, Dungeons, they're a group. Maybe you could, you had to do it as an order. But then after that, fire was fire water. And then, you know, Shadow Spirit. Like, they could maybe do, like, three or four groups of two or three Dungeons. And that way, you still have a certain degree of openness. But there's still, like, a linear story that kind of complements it. It's funny because I remember back in the day when I was a kid, I'm like, man, do I really have to do, like, forest, fire, water, then Shadow of the Down? And I went out here, like, breaking the game. And I'm like, OK, man, like, nah, I'm all right. I got the bow, but I did not beat the forest Dungeon. Let me go beat the fire Dungeon. And then I quickly find out where, like, Sheik, a peering and cockroach village, was a progression check. And I'm like, ah, you smart Nintendo, because there's no way I can get into the Shadow of the Down, unless I get the, you know, Nocturnal Shadow. Ah, I get you, right? And I'm like, OK, so I can't get the Shadow of the Down before I do this, that, or that. So, like, they could do something like that, where they just, like, have very specific progression checks. But at the same time, you know, like, this is all still of, like, supposed to be a big, open, seamless world, just like, you know, the land of Hyrule, the skies above, and hopefully the underground. And you could, like, still discover, like, not discover, but, like, go around your way at your leisure. But at the, but, you know, in order to get to Dungeon 1, you got to go here, Dungeon 2, you got to go here. And then, like, that could really be, like, you, like, this is the game trying to get you to figure out how to tackle Dungeons in different, like, orders or different, you know, strategies. Like, hey, you can do Dungeon 7 right now, but if you do Dungeon 3, you know, you get this and that could help you out. So, I don't know, Nintendo's done it before, and they've been really smart about it. And then other games have done it before, and they could just literally rip a page out of that or whatever. So, you know. Pokemon did a pretty good job, I think, too. Like, it's, they gave you, what, three basic main quests to kind of do in an open fashion. I like that. I really like that. But then, like, when I found out that, like, I really hoped and thought that, like, hey, maybe Pokemon's gonna do, like, world-scaling, depending on the badges, like, the badges you get. Yeah, that was a missed opportunity. It's such a missed opportunity, man. I'm like, oh, like, hey, maybe I want to do the psychic. Yeah, maybe I want to do the psychic gym first. It's like, nah, this thing is, like, level 52. So, unless you've got 52 Pokemon, like, you know, it's gonna bob you. But it is what it is. I mean, Breath of the Wild did world-scaling. Defeat this many divine beasts, and then you'll see a lot more silver moblins. So, whatever. Yeah, it was, I don't know, a lot of fun talk here. Maybe we'll stop the cheers that came in Todd there, because we've got a lot more cheers that we can have conversations coming in the future. And I'm sure we'll get the six pack back together for those conversations coming up. We know what's happening. Speaking of the conversation in the six pack, you know, I hate, hate, hate to do this, but I actually do, I do have to be out. That's okay. I gotta dip, like, it's been super fun. I wish I could stay, but like, I gotta go. You are totally fine, man. Thank you so much for joining us today, man. I'll be back. I'll be back. Thank you so much for having me. All right, peace out, guys. Later, buddy. All right. Next time we'll get the t-shirts, six pack t-shirts. Here we go, because made. Let's do it. Well, the six pack t-shirts, that's great. All right, so let's get into the next topic we got going on here, because, you know, there's potentially new hardware coming, maybe not. I don't know. We know Nintendo is making hardware. They have publicly stated they're working on new hardware at their investors meetings, but yeah, they just kind of leave it as that bag. Hey, we're always working on new hardware. So of course we're working on new hardware. The difference, of course, now is that they don't say they're in the middle of the Switch's life cycle anymore. At least they haven't set it for all of 2022. So there is that. Obviously we had all the Switch Pro rumors last couple of years, honestly, dating back to almost before the Switch came out to be completely fair, but we've had these rumors go out for a long time about a more powerful Switch coming. And Digital Foundries, John Linneman made a statement during their Digital Foundry weekly direct, where it seems to be leading people in different directions. I don't mind it's a bit of a nothing burger, but let's read the exact quotes. I made sure to go and watch the whole podcast too, just to understand everything going into it and everything they said afterwards, just for full context. Sometimes you get a quote and it could be, you're missing an hour's worth of context for that quote. Well, there really isn't any missing context for the quote. So it said, so I think at one point internally from what I can understand from talking to different developers is that there was some sort of mid-generation Switch update planned at one point and that seems to be no longer happening. And thus it's pretty clear that whatever they do next is going to be actual next generation hardware. I'm gonna invite Mike to come up and talk for us. I know that he thinks this is a big nothing burger and I'd like him to explain why, hopefully not in 21 minutes. Well, let's have Mike go first. I'll go in two minutes, two minutes. Anyway, I think, first thing, what we have here is one person giving their opinion about he said, she said, they said, I think. He started by saying, I think there's no reassurance of what he's saying. First thing he's not Nintendo. Let's get that out of the way. Until Nintendo says it, you know, until Nintendo speak out and says, oh, they're never gonna say, oh, we canceled a Switch because we were gonna make it. They're never gonna say that first. We'll never know that. If that was the case, we'll never know. But then again, we have a person saying, oh, I think I heard, I think there was this because I heard it from some developers at some point. So for all, you know, he could be talking about the Switch OLED because maybe the Switch OLED would have been that more powerful console, but because of the chip craziness, they were forced to just give us an OLED because why don't we have a dead dock with a chip that, you know, an upgraded, you know, we can't get upgrades on that. It's upgraded, but we don't get it. And then we have a Switch OLED. They were forced to give us a Switch OLED as an intermediate upgrade, just because they weren't able to give us that Switch. So maybe he could be telling the truth that he heard it from this developer. And maybe the developers spoke the truth. Yeah, they were working on a Switch. It was supposed to be more powerful, but that was canceled. They were forced to just give us a Switch OLED and then move on. You know, if that was the case, then I would say, okay, then that makes a good thing. And then maybe this was supposed to be the Switch OLED and they're gonna move on to the next-gen console rather than just give us a Switch. Another generation of Switch, because we're approaching seven years and I think it's time for another console instead of another, because if they give us another generation of a Switch, then that'll push it. They have all, they need to push it even further because if this next-gen Switch or this next iteration plays games in 4K, has a little bit more power to it, then hey, there's no excuse for them releasing another next-gen console in 2025 or in 2026. I don't think it's gonna get that far off. So what I believe is that, first thing, this is an opinion, it's just an opinion-based article. There's no real fact to it. He spoke to somebody and he thinks that's what he understands. It's not that he knows this is gonna happen and he heard it from a person directly from Nintendo. We have our insiders who hear it from people in Nintendo and then we have our insiders who hear it from developers that are working on games on Nintendo, which they themselves don't have all the information to begin with. Nintendo is not gonna give, it's not gonna spill their beans with them. They're guarded. So that's why I made that 20-minute video. I was like, no, no, Nintendo's not canceled. It's not canceled. First thing, because it was never announced, so there's nothing to be canceled that was never announced. You can't cancel something that's not announced. That was never a tangible thing, you know? If there was a switch, I believe it could have been the switchable. There's a lot of interpretations for it. And that's what I did in the video. I just gave all the many interpretations I could on it. And I said like, the switch for the switch for it is not canceled. But the real reason is because it was never announced. They're letting it cancel, you know? I mean, so just to bring this out, because we had a $2 Super Chat earlier from the ostrich where he said, you know, one of the switch pros, actually the switch two. And that's one of those things is because it was never an announced thing publicly anyways. I mean, the whole headlines everywhere about this quote is that it was an internal cancellation, which absolutely those happen. There's an internal cancellations all the time. You never heard Nintendo publicly announce the Wii Vitality Sensor's not coming out. They never said anything about it publicly. They showed it publicly. They said it was coming. And then they just stopped talking about it. It may still come to the rug. It's gonna be an accessory for our phones. So yeah, look, I got in a few debates with a couple other content creators over this because, you know, they're like, well, the developer said, I'm like, did you read what he said? He just said he talked to some developers and the only thing that's like news in there was at least to me, oh, it existed at one point. That was okay, cool. It's like we sort of already knew this from other people who talked about developers. So this isn't new information. And then he said, you know, it seems like, well, seems like to me means the developers in telements canceled. They don't know. They just feel like, oh, Nintendo's not communicating about it anymore. So now we're, it's probably canceled. We have no idea. They're getting on the phone and telling us, hey, that system we sent you guys two years ago or whatever. Yeah, we're not releasing that. They didn't sell it. Nintendo has ever actually said anything about it. And I do know from developer friends, I have that some dev units for systems do go out that end up, those systems end up never coming out. That is the thing that happens once in a while. Obviously this is a unique situation with the pandemic. I know a lot of people theorize that the old lab was supposed to be it. And there's the biggest evidence of all is the fact that the doc has the ability to update with a HDMI port that's capable of outputting 4K, even though it doesn't do that right now. Some people speculated that maybe that's just because that part's cheaper now because they were using older parts. And that could be an explanation, but what's not, doesn't make sense is why the doc can update. Like what was it? It's just, it's an interface. What's it needed an update for? Well, and by the way, they haven't actually updated it since. So it could just be one of those lost features that was originally for new hardware that we didn't get. But it does raise obviously a question because we are entering year seven of something happening. And I wanna mention that we do know that we now have even more updated evidence that something new is coming. I don't know when, because a new patent got published about Nintendo working on VR headsets and not the kind that you slide your switch into. Stand-alone VR headsets that either connect wired or wirelessly to a console hooked up to a TV and can even involve people using their phones with AR. And you can have up to two of these headsets connected to your game console. And when you go through the whole patent, it's very obvious this game console, which isn't detailed very much, is significantly more powerful than what we have now, which makes sense because the switch is not powering too separate. Like headsets can barely handle the Nintendo lab over on this. So it's, so like, clearly this would be some new technology. And I'm assuming these headsets would be optional accessories like PlayStation VR2 coming out. So that's just further evidence. There's clearly something coming, even if the VR stuff never comes out. Although, I mean, with lab O happening and VR getting a little bit more popular, I could, I almost kind of think maybe these, I mean, these patents are really well detailed. I definitely think- You're wireless? Wireless? Yeah, wired or wireless. It mentions both in there. So like- Oh, okay. VR2 is wired, right? The VR2 for PlayStation is wired. Yeah. It itself is pretty, you know, on the PlayStation 5, which is pretty powerful. So I bet if they are actually thinking of implementing that into the next Nintendo console, it has to be a well, you know, a leap from the switch. And then that actually begs the question, are they keeping it as a hybrid console or were they just, you know, offer a light version for those light users who, you know, but then have one that's just permanently docked? You know, that's, it's undockable, so. If they go away from the hybrid idea, that would be a bad, bad, bad, bad mistake. Agreed. Yeah. They could theoretically just put some extra power within the dock itself and then the VR goggles would plug great into the dock. External. You could still, you could still then, you know, have your switch model where you could take it and go. Bring back the old supplemental computing device, Pat, and everyone bringing it back around. Bring it around. The USB-C port on the Switch does not have Thunderbolt capability, but let's just pretend it's fast enough to pull this off. Well, that's what the new, that's what the new system's for. I suppose. Yeah. The new system could have it. The new system could have it. Well, with the Switch, it has to support it first. Yeah. You could stick a GPU in that dock, but the speed isn't fast enough with the information to do it. I also want to throw this out there. Go on. Real quick, sorry. I did in a previous podcast call that the next switch would be Switch 2 VR. Nice. You did. I did say it. So this could be, you know, they could be adding the VR stuff. So, I mean, it'd be a great name, Switch 2 VR. I mean, so you're switching, you got the two, and then you got your VR. So. Look at you trying to get those clever names. We would like to play. This is a Wii for you, except that one. That one. That one fell. I'm marketing them to go so much. They go all Switch 2. How about Switch VR? The what? Switch VR. Switch VR. Nintendo Switch VR. Are you going all in on this whole VR concept, Mike? I am. I am. I'm excited for it. By the way, this patent made it very clear it's an accessory. It's not like it's sold separately. Yeah. Some of you guys didn't know that VR is very blind friendly. It's very accessible. Like I love, you know, I'm legally blind. I can't really see anything. So VR is very blind friendly. First thing you have it right in front of you. So there's no getting away from it, right? And then you adjust the lens in order for you to be able to see the picture clearly and the pictures right in front of you. So it's very blind friendly. So that's why they do that. I'm on board. I'm on board. That'll be the most accessible thing to those that were done. And you can't even adjust the font size on the Switch. Andre, what were you going to say? Because I know you were trying to say. And then I want to hear what you were going to say and then I also want to share why I think it's the Littiman thing is maybe not as much of a nothing burger, but different. Ooh, here we go. I love opposing viewpoints. Let's go. There's a lot that I want to talk about, but I'll just keep it concise for now. What I was going to say, I want to think if they're going to do a VR thing, it absolutely has to be something separate, like maybe two different skews maybe, or something like Sony did it, if they even go in that direction, maybe something would come out afterwards. But I do think that they can pull it off. I mean, obviously, Nintendo has already been dabbling with it, right? Like Label VR, for example. And that's when it wasn't even like, the system wasn't even built for it. They just kind of came up with that idea. And made it work. You look at how the Switch is, beyond the Switch mechanic itself, I would say one of its biggest innovations is how flexible Nintendo has been able to be with this hardware to do different things. Like you look at, obviously, all the Label stuff is just mind-blowing, right? You look at Ring Fit Adventure and then the Label VR stuff. Like there's so much other things they were able to do with the Switch thanks to like the Joy-Con mechanics and how it attaches to the Switch. The next leap for Switch, Switch 2, I imagine they'll double down on those abilities. And there'll be a whole bunch of other like different peripherals they can add or accessories that will work even better. And if they kind of build a Switch in mind for a VR kind of setup, it could be more legitimate. Like I see that happening. I don't know if that'll be like the Switch 2 itself, but I could see it being a major component. Absolutely. Some, bro, what was your opposing viewpoint to me? I gotta put you side by side with Mike. What's this opposing viewpoint? Let's go. All right, I got you. Well, so first of all, just real quick. The beef is against me? No, no, that's not beef. Yeah, that's right. We're starting the beef. We're down to the five packs. So the beef comes out now. So we're gonna go with the beef. H&K was the glue on this cast. All right, anyways, let's go. No, well, first on the VR thing, I think Nintendo does get into VR. I think it's definitely gonna happen. But I think that that patent, whatever we're looking at is probably way further off. And it probably launches as an optional accessory to the next gen successor, like similar to what we see PlayStation do right now. And maybe that's how they break off and do like their handheld, you know, now it's a VR and a home console that can go portable. Like maybe it's that. That's really my main thought on the VR. But why I think that the Lineman thing was a little bit interesting is not, it's not around like, oh, they might just very well just be like, okay, yeah, we were wrong about any Switch 2, or Switch Pro talk. We know we're gonna be wrong about it now. So let's just come out and kind of backtrack. Yes, it's absolutely possible that it's that. The big thing that got me kind of interested in the Switch Pro rumors was whenever Takahashi Mochizuki was out there legitimately publishing articles in Bloomberg, saying that he talked to 11 different developers that had 4K capable dev kits. And that was the big claim. And that was all happening before the OLED got announced. They said they would have, they got manufacturers, there was a surface style kickstand on it. It was a seven inch OLED display. Everything was right about that stuff, except for the 4K. So, right, so then the question becomes is this actually developers did have 4K dev kits at one point, and then Nintendo's like, we need the games ready by 4K 2023 or 2022, whatever the date is. And then at some point they're communicated, that's not our priority anymore. Just those dev kits put them on the shelf. Like is that the information he got that basically the OLED was supposed to be the true revision, but it didn't happen and because of the chip shortage and everything going on in the world. And then because of that, whatever is next is now just a true successor that hopefully has backwards compatibility. But I think of that, like how are you being that specific at a journalist organization like Bloomberg and a name behind the face, Takahashi Mochizuki saying 11 different developers and then name dropping Zenga as one of them who's releasing Star Wars Hunters. That really got my interest on it. So I was like, maybe that's the scenario and what they're referencing here. And it does sound like speculation on his part, but it also sounds like it's coming from conversations with developers. I know what happened. What happened? Here's the thing, Takahashi Mochizuki claimed that he had sources in manufacturing and he had developer sources. And what he did is he conflated the two as being the same system. So the seven inch OLED, the kickstand, the ethernet port, that was all coming from manufacturing. Like that was fact-based, straight off the assembly line, sort of details. The 4K, developers are working on this stuff. That came from developers with dev kits, not from that. And he just assumed it was the same platform. And it just turned out that it's not the same platform. At least maybe it was supposed to be at one point, but it's not. And speaking of the hardware quick, I just want to get this other super chat head from my taker success. Because he said, the next console has to be a hit or it's tears in Kyoto. I thought that was quite clever. That's a solid line. So look, we obviously, none of us know, none of us work on Nintendo. We don't know what's coming. We obviously know we're entering year seven. It feels like it's time. Sales are slowly, I guess, we're milling down. I mean, 19 million is still a lot. Game sales are still incredible. Pokemon just had records. So the real question, I suppose, is, what do you guys think is going to happen if anything next year? Because, I mean, next year is the seventh year. And we have a Zelda game coming out. And last time we launched a Zelda game and it was like a year or two away from the next system coming out, it kind of maybe hurt the sales a little bit because they didn't have such a long runway. I don't know. Like, what are you guys thinking? Yeah. I wanted to actually ask you guys a question first. Like, why do you think people keep saying 2024? Like, what is it about 2024 that makes more sense than 2023? I think it's the sales and just like the continued success. Like, it's not dropping off of a cliff. Like we kind of saw the we do. And it also, I think just people, I think a lot of people hung on to that investor statement saying that we're in the middle of the Switch's lifecycle but really people are not taking into account the fact that it still sells and gets price cuts alongside of whatever's next. Like, I think it's a lot of that mindset. Like, no, it's too soon. What do you mean 2023? That's way too early. It's not that it is. It's actually like Nintendo will like historically it's five to six years. They're ready to pump out a new console. Yeah. Plus there's an old quote where Nintendo said like a long time ago, they wanted the Switch generation to last seven to 10 years. So we're just entering seven, which means that's the latter half, but it also means well, there could potentially be three more years. I mean, most of it's just sales. Like 19 million is still a lot. That's peak years for most systems. And we're talking about that being on a downswing. You know, chances are the Switch is gonna sell another 15 million in the next fiscal year if they don't release anything else. And there's still such a strong lineup. And I think what people aren't used to is having such a strong lineup late in the system's life because Nintendo is usually abandoning the system by now, focusing on the next, but this is also the first time. People don't realize this because the Game Boy came out shortly after the Nintendo Entertainment System. This is the first time, since like the very beginning of the NES days, that all of their developers are making games for one platform, which is why they still have so many games coming out. And Eric's looking at me all funky. They have had a handheld and home console riding alongside each other all the way until 3DS was discontinued. So like for the first time forever, they have everyone on one platform, which means there's all these rumors out there, Nintendo's just sitting out a bunch of games because they probably are sitting out a bunch of games. Look at all, they had 12 exclusive games dropped this year. Now the sports story came up. 12, imagine any other system saying I have 12 exclusive games coming out in a year. And we're not just talking all indie titles. We're talking like some major stuff, Splatoon, Xenoblade, Game of the Year type of stuff, award-winning games, Bayonetta 3, you know, Kirby and the Forgotten Land, best-selling Kirby game of all time. Just banger after banger pretty much all year long, even when we were going to like the second tier of games, like Triangle Strategy, still a banger, Mario plus Travis Sparks of Hope, another banger, like every game that came out was like really, really damn good this last year for Switch, all of them scoring in the 80s, barring, I mean, a certain Pokemon game. I don't know if we're going to dive too deep into that, but another Pokemon game scored in the 80s. So there is that. I do want to say this. I totally agree with you, like the year's been great. They have consistent content. This is the best software output we've ever seen from Nintendo, but I still feel like Nintendo's holding back. Like, that's what I- I think I can answer that for them. Okay, I can answer that. And I made this point in the 21 minutes. I'm going to keep calling it the 21 minutes. It's only the longest videos I've ever seen you made that wasn't a last year. I think it's the longest, one topic video I've ever made. And I didn't realize it went down that long, but I didn't want to cut anything out, because I- Yeah, you mentioned at the beginning, this is going to be a long video, then I looked at the time like, what is this, 21 minutes? I think that because I saw the length right at the end of the, oh, this is long video. So I just added at the beginning, because look, everything I'm saying in this video is very important, hopefully it, you know, but it worked on people and people enjoyed the video, but this is what I feel like it's a different with Nintendo this year. This is the, and this is what Nate mentioned a while back. This is not the Nintendo from previous presidents. You know, this is a different Nintendo with a different president. And we've compared this president a lot to the president for Apple, right? When Steve Jobs was in, he was an innovator. He liked to really drastically change things and bring you new devices like the first iPhone, the first iPad, the first app, just innovate and bring you, it doesn't matter if it failed or not. He wanted to innovate and bring you something like right away. When Tim Cook took power, he is a money person. He is a strategic person. He makes smart choices for tomorrow, not for, you know, so that's why we started getting implement upgrades. And then because of his strategy, you know, we turned Apple into the first trillion dollar company, now two trillion dollar company. So there, his mindset is, you know what? I wanna make sure that any move that I make is productive for the company financially, right? So this, Furukawa is also a business man. He's not a creative person. He's just a business man who's thinking about the same way. That's why we've got so many iterations of the Switch, you know, back to back like 3D, 3DS, all that stuff. But this is what's happening. We're getting iterations of the Switch because he is looking for a safe way to transition. So the reason why we have all these games that are coming out and they're so great and there is no fear that these games coming out will affect the sales of the Switch or the next consoles because of backwards compatibility. And I think that's gonna be a big, huge thing moving forward for the Switch. And what Nintendo's gonna do moving forward is they're gonna make sure before anything, they're gonna cement that to let all the Switch owners, no, look, listen, we are about to transition, but don't worry, we have you covered. Backwards compatibility is the thing for the Switch. It's gonna happen where you don't have to worry about your earn money, your games are gonna be there. If you decide to upgrade, you can upgrade, get a better experience, get better quality. They'll probably release Breath of the Wild deluxe, you know, it's a joke, you know. But give you extra things with that new console just to entice you to bring you over. And then for the couple of first, couple, two, three years, dual releases, and then slowly fade away with the Switch. But that is something that a person that is business-wise would do. They would make sure, like he said, right now we have 250 million, the last count, 250 million accounts. That's insane. And then that went from 115, the previous shareholder meeting that he stated and he's looking for a good way transition to make sure that he protects his accounts and that, you know, the transition is good. It made me think so much of the Apple CEO because, you know, iteration of a console is a safe way to not alienate the ones who are still holding onto the, like you still have the OG Switch. Have you felt alienated in any way by the OLED or by any other console that has been released for the Nintendo? After that, you still have your OG and you still feel safe enough to keep it, you know? That's strategic that he's doing that to make sure that, okay, you have your OG. We got the Switch here OLED. If you want it, you want it. If not, don't worry, you're not gonna miss out, you know? So that's what's gonna happen moving forward when it comes to a next-gen console. He's gonna look for a way to transition into that without making those who have a Switch feel alienated or rushed or pushed to purchase it. It's not gonna hurt sales or games and it's not gonna hurt sales. So I've been successful. Yeah, I mean, I think, you know, like there's this as a Nintendo fanboy over the years there's always been this like narrative that Sony copies Nintendo. And to some extent that's true for sure. But I think all companies kind of copy each other when there's a good idea, right? And I think this is a scenario where Nintendo's just straight up copy Sony. I think they should be very clear cut about their naming, Switch 2. That way people get it. Don't call it Switch U. And then people are like, oh, well, I already got a Switch. I don't need to Switch U. Like no, just call it Switch 2, make it clear. People know. When there's a PS6, people are gonna know. When there's a PS7, people are gonna know. And maybe release it at a point where people are like, oh, it's too soon, PS4 is still selling. Well, yeah, but your PS4 is still gonna be relevant for three to four years. But if you want a PS5, you can do that. And that is kind of why I've been more talking about 2023, because yes, sales are still good for Switch. But I don't think Nintendo wants to wait until sales to start going downwards. I think they want to beat it to the chase. They want to maintain the momentum. They never want to see that dip. So let's say they wait till 2024. What happens if we only get 15 million systems sold? Yeah, I mean, 15 million is still pretty good, but that's less than every other year by a significant percentage. Does Nintendo want to do that? I feel like they want to not let that happen. So when I see like Tears of the Kingdom coming out, a game that has had the longest gap between any other major Zelda ever, and Nintendo has this pretty good history of using Zelda push systems, are they gonna really skip Tears of the Kingdom? Because there's not gonna be another Tears of the Kingdom for another five to six years, probably. And then you factor in, there's a good chance we get a Mario game in 2023, because it's a Mario movie. Are they gonna skip that too? So when I think about these different things, that's why I'm more leading towards 2023 than 2024. Even though I see a lot of people saying, oh, 2024, 2024 sales aren't dipping, but I don't think Nintendo wants to let that dip happen. So that's why I've always more side towards 2023, but you never really know. Yeah, you're right, because if sales dip, guess what, the stocks also go down and shareholders are gonna be upset. They wanna make sure they maintain a steady course for shareholders to keep them happy as well. That's why they're having all these meetings, but shareholders just to keep them, hey, we're working though, are you okay? The new president too, also said that he didn't wanna continue the old ways with the drop-off, the drop-off. Yeah, exactly. So there's also that. I really feel like, like Andre, you kind of hit it on the head. It is legitimately smart. If you just look at it from a business standpoint and you think that Nintendo's gonna follow the numbers to double down on the Switch branding, because I think the worst thing they could do is sell right now with the continued success of the current model that's being sold since March of 2017, and it's still selling as well as it is. The biggest mistake would be to totally rebrand and start over when you have something that's such a smash hit success that every kid knows the name of and every adult knows the name of. I mean, this is just a runaway success console. So if they were strategic, they will name it Switch 2. I do think that we will have our answer to 2023 new hardware personally, whether or not it launches with Tears of the Kingdom, because I don't see it coming out in 2023 if it's not launched alongside of Tears of the Kingdom. Maybe it's a holiday launch and it's tied to a 3D Mario. That would be another way they could go. Yeah. But I think that's a long shot. I think if you're gonna launch a Zelda and a Mario, like Mario is going to sell incredibly well, even 3D Mario, like over the course of years, but I think they know they have the hardcore fan base with Zelda. I got the solution. Yeah, what's the solution? So they launch it with Mario, but they decide, all right, everyone loves Tears of the Kingdom, right? Well, now we're gonna advertise 4K and we're packing it in with every new console purchase. So you get Zelda with the new system in 4K. But do they do that? Are you predicting? Are you predicting the Mario is a holiday bundle? Yeah, be the holiday bundle. But then they're advertising, this is how you also play Tears of the Kingdom in 4K. Yeah. Yeah. They could do it. They could just make me angry, though. If they had it close to ready enough to go and they decided to do it all the time. They were just waiting, yeah. I couldn't do this at launch. Yeah, right, yeah. I had to buy the game again, ish. I mean, hopefully they give you a free upgrade if you buy the new console and you still own the game, you know? Yeah. There's ways to do cross-generational stuff and I mean, Miyamoto's comments recently about how it's easier to get games to run from any time period. Now, backwards compatibility should absolutely be a thing and they just shouldn't go too far off the path that they're on. They have another potentially 10 years of success with this form factor and then they'll probably start to integrate things like VR and then they'll get into some kind of wild, wacky idea like Nintendo does to reinvent themselves. But I think that they stick with this for 10 years plus just with more powerful iterations of it. So nobody's on the 2027 bandwagon for Switch 2. What? The next held again. Dear guy, hold on. Nobody's on that. Oh, Lord. I really brought that up, Sombro, because that made me think of how easy Nintendo's getting rid of the Wii U and 3DS eShops, you know? Because if it's so easy to bring back all these games into a certain console, what if that's another selling point where you're just logging into that console, you have your account and all your 3DS games are there and also all your Wii U games are there, the ones you purchased before. You don't have to buy another, you know? What if they separate the eShop purchases from this next console? What's the riot gonna look like on the line? You know, nothing works. After all these releases, man, I've never spent more money in my life on a console than Switch, you know? So I have to have. And then they take it offline by 2027. No, that's, no. No, I really don't. I sure hope that they don't do that. And I sure hope that they do lean into backwards compatibility because they, I mean, even prior to like Wii U to Switch, obviously that was like a big restarting for them. But in terms of history, GameCube and Wii are forward backwards compatible and then you had the Wii U is fully backwards compatible, you know? I mean, so it's not out of the realm of possibility for them to kind of continue that train. And they need to do it with the Switch. With the kind of library they've built out with the Switch, it would be, I mean, just a complete devastation to leave that library to die on that console. What if? What if? This is, this is, this is what it's gonna make people upset, but what if the Nintendo's charging us already to play online, just to play online, what if you have to have the membership in order to access that feature of backwards compatibility? Oh, that would be a controversial one, but it would probably secure a lot of subscriptions. I don't think they should do that, but I do, I could, I can see them continuing to make that NSO plus expansion pack or plus whatever they add onto the feature. They need three, four K upgrades for Nintendo members. Yeah, yeah. And backwards compatibility, just add like the little accent there. Backward, you have access to all your previous purchase games from other consoles. Multiple tiers, and I think they keep expanding out their online content. I think every company right now, once a digital subscription revenue business, whether people love it or hate it, it's gonna be here to stay. Yeah, and you know, I made this point before, but some people are kind of worried that Nintendo won't kind of carry over most of their online content already, but I think the fact that we're already paying for it is a really good incentive for them to kind of keep it up. You go back to the previous generations, we didn't pay for a dime, right? So like they had no reason to carry over virtual console or anything like that, but now since we're paying for it, they have a reason to, they'll lose their subscriptions. Yeah, imagine the cancellation rate if it doesn't work together, so that's a good point. Yeah. That gives me hope. Well, and they went out of their way in the investors meeting to talk about how their Nintendo account technology is forward compatible. I mean, that's a selling point for them on their investors because they know they have a big chunk of their revenue figured out every single year. It's not like they're like figuring it out. Oh, maybe subscriptions will go up or down. I'm sure they have projections for that, but when you only have the expansion pack locked behind a one-time annual price point, like they have that money guaranteed for 12 months every year, and then they're going to look at their renewals and levers they can pull to get people to continue to resubscribe. I think that's a huge chunk of their business now. I don't know how much it makes up, but it's a lot of revenue for them. So I think they double down on that. Yeah. Yeah, this is a really interesting situation to me because Nintendo is sort of an uncharted territory, right? Like they have a new president that we have no idea what he's going to do. Like he's a numbers guy, so we can look at other numbers guys and other companies and go, oh, will he do it like what Sony does? But then we've never seen what he's going to do. We also know that, hey, he's heavily, still heavily influenced by Shigeru Miyamoto and everyone else that was there during the Owada era of Nintendo, where it was experimental city. Like, hey, we have this really neat idea. Let's try it out. Oh, we have motion control, let's try it out. Tablet, let's try it out. Two screens, let's try it out. Glasses free 3D, hey, let's try it out. Like it was all about just trying new things. Sometimes I think, you know, I know they call it innovation, but it kind of felt something because it was just trying new things to try new things sometimes. It didn't always work out. And like in the case of the gamepad, I thought it was great, but also it was pretty big and it didn't really work out for them. At least in that form, obviously by the time we got to Switch, it was a different story. Glasses free 3D, I mean, they eventually were releasing Switches or releasing 3DSs that you didn't even have 3D. So, and all of them had sliders and turned it off because they knew, hey, this does get people headaches, which probably means that it's, can't really be a core feature of the system, even though it's like in the name of the system because half your audience can't even really use it. So, but it's interesting because we don't know what Nintendo's gonna do. And I think, you know, we had a report from an investor's meeting earlier that Nintendo was maybe a little bit worried about the transition. And I can understand if they are, because I mean, let's just be honest, which is bigger than we. It's a starting to approach DS levels of popularity, which they haven't obviously seen since the DS. Maybe it goes beyond that. Maybe it's selling it becomes the best selling system of all time. If they keep selling Switch for, you know, the Switch as is, or let's say they have a pro model, come on, make sure they count in the same family and they keep going. I mean, it's gonna sell over 155 million. It's gonna become the best selling, you know, individual platform we've ever seen. I think it's interesting that I don't know if Nintendo knows right now how to really transition. Right now they're just piling games out. There's Chuck and Mom. It's not a packed beginning of next year. Like just what we know it's packed right now. Like there's so many games coming out. And this is not even counting games we don't know about. Games that are rumored like Donkey Kong, and Metroid Prime, HD. They're bringing up the Wind Waker and Piper. That's not happening. At this point, I don't think so. No, that'll be the next system. The next system, if we see it. Like whenever they decide to raise those GameCube remasters in the next few years. Just give me a moment here just to highlight something, right? Like to your point, let's ignore things we don't know about. We count the games we know about. And then we also count the DLC. It gets kind of obscene, right? Cause we have Fire Emblem Engage. We have... And it's DLC. That's getting DLC, right? We have Kirby's Return to Dreamland Deluxe. Then we have the Bayonetta Origins thing. And we're gonna get ways four, five, and six from Mario Kart throughout the year. We're getting Tears of the Kingdom. That's probably gonna have DLC as well, right? So two and three, we're gonna get a paid expansion for that at some point too. So that's coming out. And the Xenoblade Chronicles 3, that's gonna have a paid deal. It's gonna have like a story DLC. And it's probably gonna be like Tour of the Golden Country which is gonna have its own physical release on top of that. And then with Mario Kart and Sparks of Hope, there are two story DLCs coming out. One this summer and one the holiday. And we haven't even got the Scarlet and Violet. Oh, Scarlet and Violet is gonna have two probably significant DLCs back in the month. I mean, that's so much content this year. It is. Yeah. Like they could get away with just a DLC in the games they have so far. They won't because that would be bad. But like there's content to come out but there's content to come out throughout the year is my main point. Yeah. And I think people's main argument is that we, yeah, Nintendo's games are coming but maybe third party support's starting to dwindle. We're starting to see more cloud games than anything else. By the way, I didn't mention Octopath Traveler 2 because it's not being published by Nintendo. Yeah. And it's also a multi-platform. It's multi-platform now. But it is another game coming. No problem with it being a multi-platform. By the way, it's awesome. More people should play it. The last moment multi-platform after some time exclusivity. So I'm cool with that. But people want to count it as an exclusivity. It's just another third party quality third party game that will probably sell best on Switch. But yeah. Watch Harvors Legacy sell best on Switch. Oh, that would be insane. I mean, I think that that only happens if new hardware comes with Zelda. And it's actual localized version. And somehow Zelda, before we get to July, ends up moving like 20 million of this new system. Then Harvors Legacy could end up telling really, really well because people might want to in this awesome, portable version. I know 20 million pushing it a little. But I'm just saying, you never know. Maybe they've been banking these Switch pros for over a year. They just got like 50 million sitting in a warehouse somewhere. Yeah, you got to release it because they got too many of them banked up. They got to get rid of it. You could argue that all these games coming out and all this continued support when it comes to the Mario Cart waves and everything is just Nintendo's letting the people know that the Switch is not going anywhere. It's still getting continued support. So maybe it's strategically done. Having Mario Cart being all the way to the end of 2023 is telling people, look, we're still supporting the Nintendo Switch you have nothing to worry about. And this was their plan the entire time. Expand the life of the Switch and offer all these updates and upgrades letting people know we're safe. My console is still at least to the end of 2023. I'm getting updates from Mario Cart and for other games. That is why people think 2024 is more likely because of all this DLC. But because I think the system is going to be backwards and forwards compatible for a few years, I don't think that point really matters. Yeah. I mean, it's definitely a surest we're getting support, though, for sure. I also think that we need to consider that. I remember before I mentioned that all of the development teams are working on single platforms now. And yeah, I think that includes whatever is next. Maybe we need to get used to the idea that Nintendo is just going to have a lot of content every year. And that's just the way it's going to be. It doesn't matter if new hardware is coming or not. And we're just not used to that. Like it's just not something we're used to because they have always been split between two platforms. That's true. Now they're not. So they just might just have. Like I'm not saying we're going to have 12 exclusives every year like last year, or we're going to have 2017 like year every single year, or even second half of 2019 all the time. But the idea of anywhere from five plus exclusive games dropping every single year plus DLC isn't crazy to me to think Nintendo could just do that every year. I think 12 exclusives is not really a tough expectation. Like you go back to the Wii U 3DS days, they were in the 20s like every year. It's just someone that were smaller projects, but. Well, a lot of that was also third parties making games specifically for Wii back in those days, too, or specifically for DS. And we don't have as many of those. It seems this time around, but the ones we do get are big gets, like big, big gets, you know, golf story, maybe on the lighter side, but then triangle strategy, live alive. Like all these, you know, those ended up being pretty big gets for them. Didn't Nintendo publish Harvestella? Or is that just Square Enix being like. I think Square Enix published it. Well, that is a really nice exclusive. Think about all those farm simulators. That's the big one that's being pushed because it's exclusive on the system. But see, here's the big thing with all of this. Imagine if we could be talking about these kind of first party releases already being a stacked year for you being a Nintendo Switch owner, but then also you get all the big 30 third party stuff. You know, everything that people are buying a PlayStation and Xbox for is not a cloud port. You get at least a, yes, you get at least a toned down version of it. It doesn't have to run the look the best, but. That would be a huge selling point. It would be huge. The library of games would be second to none if we got a Steam Deck level of power in a Nintendo Switch, which is what, why I think so many people want to see it, but probably why they're also burnt out on the topic because they've been wanting that for so long, you know. And then promise it with rumor after rumor and it's coming and it's a solid end. It's getting announced at E3, it's imminent. So just let me know it out here for a second, right? Like just hypothetical, right? Going down this road. Let's say there is new hardware that comes out. Maybe it does launch alongside Jesus King. That's what I want the most. I'm trying to be like, I'm trying to be like, you know, objective about this, but what I want the most is, is tears of the kingdom, better performance, higher resolution in May with new hardware. But hypothetically, if this happens, there are some third party exclusives or like enhanced games. Like say Hogwarts Legacy runs pretty well. And all of a sudden, playing Hogwarts Legacy on your Switch 2 is like a legitimate option. It isn't like a gimmick version, right? Like, and then I'd be excited to play it on there, especially because it would be a hybrid, it would be portable, which would make it even better. And then maybe they do something crazy, like where they release a version of Elden Ring on Switch 2 as well. People would love that. And then the Resident Evil game, there's a pretty good Resident Evil fan base on Nintendo. If that comes out for Switch 2, people will be all aboard that. And then let's not forget that Microsoft might commit to a 10-year plan. It's a Call of Duty on Switch. What if the next Call of Duty comes out next holiday for Switch 2? Those are all the kind of games that people will be like, oh, I love my Nintendo and I love playing portably, but I can't do that really well on my Switch. I'll buy Switch 2. And if you also promised Mario and Zelda and F-Zero and 4K at 60 FPS, like I think they'll, it'll sell. Like I don't think sales will be the concern for Nintendo. Imagine the amount of people that will show up with their Switches playing Call of Duty at work if they launch that next holiday. What if it becomes a scenario where Switch 2 becomes the best system for software like that? Yeah, that's where the gap is at right now. If Nintendo could do the best of both worlds with what they're doing with first-party content and incorporate third-party, they're almost untouchable at that point. Yeah, you might get better frames and a better core resolution with a home console like a PS5 or Series X. But if it's close enough, I think that's all most gamers want. So what we're saying is Sony's worried about the wrong company when it comes to the change. Yeah, exactly. Because Nintendo's about to be like the first 200 million system seller and just gonna say crap on all of it. Oh, Call of Duty sells a lot of here. Oh, you cut Call of Duty. We got it. And three years in, we're the best-selling version of Call of Duty. Have a good day. Nate, I don't know how much time we have, but I kind of want to go in that direction because you just mentioned 200 million, right? And that's a joke. I've got time. But just hear me out here for a second, right? Cause it's interesting because today, you know, from that podcast, it suggests that there isn't a Switch Pro, but I have talked about how maybe this idea of what the next system is for Nintendo is a little blurred. Like it's next gen, but it's also not the same time because we look at, we look at sales, right? Like, so Switch right now is on the cusp of being the third best-selling system of all time. Like it's passing PS4 and, or rather, yeah, PS4 and it's passing Game Boy and Game Boy Color. It's going to be third, and then it's about 30-ish million away, 35 million away from DS at 154 and then PS2 at around 155, right? Like give or take, that's what we're looking at. So I mean, like imagine if Nintendo does a thing where basically what they did in the 90s was the Game Boy and the Game Boy Color. The Game Boy could have been its own generation, but they lengthened that generation by adding a system in the family that's arguably already a generational step up, but at the same time, not. It plays the same games, enhances those games, has some exclusives, extends the generation, and they include it as part of the sales number. And if they do that, then I could see them getting to 200 million because if this next system, adds four or five more years to the system's lifespan and it acts as a next generation thing, the same what we're talking about, games run and look better, it gets third-party exclusives that run good enough, they could probably continue to sell 20 million every year for another four years. Absolutely. There's a pointer I want to bring up, someone mentioned this in the chat, let me show their comment here. Javier Nunez says, the longer it takes the more likely that they will develop it with older technology. I think what's interesting in thinking about that thought process is, I do think that there is something to the fact that Nintendo does like to use slightly older technology, that they're not necessarily into the latest and greatest. Now, to their credit, the Tegra X1 at the time was the most powerful gaming mobile chip at that moment. It just was quickly surpassed. And like the timing of the Switch's release meant, hey, stuff coming up by the end of 2017 is going to be more powerful. But at the beginning, there really wasn't. So it was sort of top of the line at that moment for what they were trying to achieve. But Nintendo does do that. Like a big thing Nintendo considers. Even when they were competing for power with the N64 and the SNES and the GameCube, one thing they always considered was, can we make this affordable? And can we make money at launch? And they don't like to sell a $500 system and not make money. Like that's just like what PS5 is doing with Xbox, that they don't like doing that. They want to make profits out the gate. Like when they lost money having to cut the price of the 3DS, that was a outlier. Nintendo does not like losing money. And it was primarily the 3D technology that was so dang expensive that led to the $250 price point in the first place. So Nintendo doesn't like to have to cut prices like that. So they like to use slightly older tech because it's cheaper and they can get more of it and they can sell you a system at that 300 or under price point, which they think based on their history is the sweet spot for mass market appeal. So I don't know that it's necessarily a bad thing for them to use older technology. Technically Steam Deck is old tech now. That's using a generation old technology now. People don't realize that's old news. What's in the PS5 and Xbox series? That's even older news. That tech is old now. Every year this is new tech coming out. PS5 is two generations behind. This is, we don't like to think about it that way because we're so used to console. No, no, no, it's a five, six. No, everything's using PC components now, which means everything is basically old the moment it comes out. PS5 came out the year that's like, oh, that's everything's brand new. Guess what? We're two plus years from now and there's been two more generations of hardware. So it's now old. So tech technology just moves at an incredible pace. So I don't think it's a bad thing for Nintendo to necessarily use older stuff. I never viewed that as a negative to their thought process. I know that it's the opposite of what Sony and Microsoft like to do. They like to hit you with the latest when it releases, get the longest life you can out of it. But as we're seeing with, hey, this is 2015 technology, it just, you know, at least is projected for fiscal year 22, 23 to sell 19 million units. And it's sixth year. And yet this is like seven, eight year old technology. Clearly Nintendo doesn't think old tech can't sell. So- You ever think about this? You ever think about how the jump from 3DS to Switch is like maybe the most insane jump in tech we've ever seen? For like, if it came from Wii U, okay. Maybe not that substantial but being portable is pretty crazy. But going from a 3DS, which did launch for $250 to Switch, which is only $50 and more, which is just like, I don't even know how many more times more powerful. I don't, I'm just gonna throw a number out. 23 out. From a megabyte of RAM. Gigabytes. Yeah, from 240p to potentially 1080p. As I was saying, there's still 240p on Switch. That's not pretend that doesn't exist. Yeah, but it's just a crazy, crazy leap in terms of like mobile power. Like it was just insane. Well, see that's where I think Nintendo is honestly kind of pigeonholed themselves into this hybrid form factor from their own customer base. Whether they realize it or not, because how are you gonna tell us that once upon a time we could play the mainline AAA brand new Zelda and Mario games wherever we are in the world? Doesn't matter. You're going on a trip cross country. You throw that Switch in your backpack. You have full access to play it anywhere. And then if you take a step back from that and say, now you're tied to a console to play the main games we're gonna release a separate light console that's portable and it doesn't run the same games. Like I feel like this, they are in such a different scenario this generation than they've ever been because we've seen them hit the 100 million mark with the Wii and we've seen them do it on portable systems but we've never seen a hardcore fan base attached to that. And that's where we are with the Switch is it's like they have hardcore fans that love playing all the games with the flexibility to play them however they want. It is so too early to pull the plug on that being the option. So I think they have to do that. And then to expand upon like the whole, you know, how they buy old technology and sell it and don't like to sell it at a loss. Yes, but also would we maybe see Furukawa entertain the idea that with how much digital sales are going up and that's driving additional revenue from the eShop downloads. And if we attract in the third party with more powerful hardware that's easier to run on our consoles and not all these hoops jump through doesn't just make business sense. Can we just get the grave out for everyone? We're done. Like you guys go ahead and argue with the FTC. Meanwhile, we're burying you. And look, our next generation system we're still going to sell it for $300 and everyone can just suck it. Like, we're gonna, if we're gonna want you guys to erect go away. They could go to 400 comfortably with a more powerful chipset. People will pay it right now. Because I mean, if it's something that's more powerful than Steam Deck I do they. Yeah. If it's more powerful than Steam Deck and they charge 400 it's going to be the best selling system for the next many, many years. Or sell an optional dock for a hundred bucks that gives you the 4K and sell it for 350, you know. We'll not let go of that supplemental computing device. Have any of you ever used a supplemental computing device with your laptop? I did a lot of research on the eGPUs from the Razer laptop before I got my gaming laptop just to see. I mean, it's possible. It's not with the current switch that we have now but my thing is, is if they designed it that way at its core they could definitely take advantage of an eGPU. And because of the patent, we know it's not like a crazy thing. We can't say that Nintendo's never thought of it because they did. Because they thought about it at one point. Well, they might need something like that if they're powering a VR console along with it. When the switch came out they had to clarify that the dock did not boost the power of the system. And it was a little confusing because when it had the power source it would overclock, right? Or raise its clock speed. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And then since then they've added a third even higher profile since then that helped a little bit. I still don't understand. One thing I don't get and this is sort of a little bit off topic to talk about the next generation switches. Why they didn't improve the cooling in the switch OLED and just let us run the Tegra X1 with stock. The chip's already there. You can already hack the system and overclock it to stock. So just, all we needed was better cooling that they want to burn our hands. I think it was basically like what Summer was saying earlier, like they didn't want to alienate anyone. But would anyone be alienated with a system that's technically more powerful like five years in? I just don't see how that alienates people. Maybe they were, well, maybe it's all about this moment where they're like, hey, now we have the gimmick that your systems will look and run better on this version of the switch. Maybe they don't want to pull that card yet. Okay. So to kind of round out this topic, are we getting new hardware in 2023? I put a poll out, so we'll get to the poll from the people. Are we getting new hardware next year? And I don't mean like a revision. That's like a Switch Lite OLED. I mean, something that's actually more powerful. Something that can run Zelda at 4K. Yeah. Well, that, I don't know that far. All right, all right, all right. Something that can run Zelda and then maybe above 1080p. Something that's just more powerful. Just a second. I mean, they have to do 4K though. Like if they're, you know what I mean? Like they're not going to launch a 1440p. Like there's not going to be an upgrade from 1080p unless they figure out a way to do 4K and they do it through DLSS or whatever they got to do. Not saying native. I don't think that's necessarily possible but upscale to 4K is possible. And every TV being sold right now in homes is 4K. You have to go out of your way to not find a 4K TV. Ah, I can actually combat that right now. My daughter got a little visit from Santa Claus and got a nice little, a little TV present that was only $100 at the store. And it was 720p and they're still selling 720p TV. They still make them, but to be fair, did you guys buy that for your living room or for your daughter's room? It's for her bedroom. I don't even watch TV in my living room. This giant TV, that's for my set. That's where I watch TV. You know, I need my 85 inches for some reason. Yeah, I'm right there with you on that. I'm compensating. I need to, I'll get mine. I will update my monitor when it's time to play Zelda in 4K. There you go. Well, I already have a 1440p 49 inch ultra wide monitor that if they would let me play Zelda on that without me having to use an emulator, that would just be talk about immersion. Anyways, so you guys are kind of avoiding the question that the question was, are we getting the hardware next year? I vote yes, but I'm voting yes out of my urge as a player. I don't necessarily think that it is the most solid thing that we're gonna get it, but I do think that it either happens with your kingdom or I'm willing it into existence. That's where I'm at on it. I say yes, but I say yes with fear in my heart. Yeah. I say yes with all the confidence in the world because I'm the king. The power of a thousand sons. All right, yeah, exactly. With the power of the master sword in 4K. I say, I can't be stopped. No, no tears for me. No tears for me. Only for the kingdom. Eric, I say yes just because I want it. Oh my gosh. I say yes just because I want it. We're all prisoners of the moment. Yes, right. Oh, yeah. Look, look, I told Andre that my opinion would probably change from his podcast to mine because on his podcast, I went all in and started getting it with the Zelda. Now there's too much. There's too much. I have to play devil's advocate. We're not getting it. It's not happening. So you're saying 2024 at the earliest. So you're saying the Lineman story kind of got you rethinking things. No, not the Lineman story, no matter. Lineman's irrelevant. Loud, Nate. I didn't think it would happen between Andre's podcast and now. It's got to be worth it. You know what's weird too with the Lineman story? I reached out to him just for clarification. I wanted to just clarify what he said. And he didn't respond. And it's fine. I'm not saying I'm big enough deal that someone from Digital Foundry and NeuroGamer should respond to me, but he's responding to me in the past for less. So it's weird. Maybe he doesn't have time. Yeah. I thought it was a little weird. He's responded to me about other things in the past that weren't as big of a deal. Sometimes he messes me. I don't get back to him until a week later. So I wouldn't take it personally. No, I wouldn't take it in personally. It's like he follows me. He probably doesn't even check his DMs anymore. Well, he's in a wave of media coverage right now, God knows what his mentions and ads look like. You want to see what my Discord looks like. There's a reason it says I'm always busy. Man, I'm a busy kid. I actually text Miyamoto. He has not gotten back to me a couple hours now. And I'm just unacceptable. Yeah, that's it. Miyamoto. One and a whole. It's not if you retire Miyamoto. You're going to go to Japan right now, right? Whatever, man. Whatever you're saying in cubicle. But now, look, I'm just going to play the devil's advocate because somebody has to do it. And I don't want this podcast. But you don't believe it, though. You don't believe it. You just say it. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. But here's the thing. I don't know what we're getting new hardware next year. And frankly, I don't need new hardware. I'm good. I want it. Let your heart decide, Nate. It's a want, not a need. I've learned in my life to be happy with what you have. Let your heart decide. No. Let it decide, Nate. No, Mike, you can do it. Come on, you can do it. Every time you talk. This is turning me to an intervention now, and this is an intervention now. Nate, we have to talk, Nate. Just tell us what you actually believe. What's in your heart? Open up, man. Open up. My heart, my head. Go ahead. But what if your head is wrong? Open up, man. How many times have my heart been wrong? I thought we were getting this thing out in 2019. It's cold outside. It's cold outside. I think even the oxygen, it's not real. It's actually quite toasty in here right now. And actually, it's not that cold outside. Not today. Today. We've been in negative for like two weeks, and now we're finally out of it. But what is not cold for you guys? Like anything in above 30 degrees is good. I can wear shorts. I'm wearing shorts right now. You guys can't see it on camera. I'm wearing shorts right now. Shorts while they're right now. Right now it's 53, and I'm freezing. Dude, I'd be jumping in the ocean and swimming. Let's keep in mind, though, that when you live in warmer climates, your blood thins, so it impacts you more easily. Yes. Yes. So if you're freezing, Mike, they do have a solution for this. I'm not saying you have to partake. But it at least makes you feel warmer. See, I feel like this energy that HMK was drinking earlier looked like a giant beer. I'm just saying. Oh, yeah. Well, he wasn't going to put powder in it, too. Warming properties. There's a reason that we drink a lot in Wisconsin. We're trying to stay warm. Stay warm, yeah. But that's all a mental game. But it actually does. But your body's so cold. But here's the thing. But it does the opposite. It actually makes you colder. But you feel warmer, which can be dangerous. The difference is our bodies can actually handle pretty cold weather to a point. So it ends up not really mattering that much, unless it's a dangerous level of cold outside. But listen, let me get me wrong. I used to live in obviously New York. I lived there for like six, seven years. And I fell into a pool of ice, broke the ice. And then like halfway. We did that on purpose. And mine is the group. Mine is 15, right? When I fell into the ice thing, right, the water. And then the next day I was in Florida. Very next day. Next day in Florida. We're telling you it's like a challenge bet that we have. Oh, shit. It is a poor bunch, man. Did we do the polar plunge? We cut holes in the ice to run and dive into the lakes and run back out as just like for fun. Yeah. Welcome to Wisconsin. Yeah, well, no, not for fun. I mean, it's for charity. It's for charity. But let's just be honest. The same people do it every year. Oh, yeah. It's for fun at this point. I really love it. It's a proof of how much of a man you are. I really hope the switch comes out everywhere. Everywhere except for Wisconsin. I'm going to throw out another idea on the internet. I can just import from any other state. We're good. I'm going to throw another idea for you. And maybe this is why Pikmin 4 gets delayed. But Pikmin 4 is slated for 2023. How weird would it be for an intelligent to skip Zelda, skip a potential Mario releases holiday for new hardware, and then skip Pikmin 4, which obviously would make sense to be in 4K and then come out with a new hardware next year. Like, yes, they can update all those. But those are just all opportunities to push to push Harvard. One more thing I want to mention before I have zero is heavily rumored, which is also going to look really good at high resolutions. It's really good at 1080p. It's going to look really good in 480p because it already does on the game. But you know, I'm just saying, specifically with Pikmin 4, that game looks so amazing. It would just be a little odd to me if the Nintendo skipped Zelda and Pikmin and Mario and it came out with more power for Harvard next year. And the backup the next year thing, there's a really. But by next, I mean 2024, there's a really old quote from Miyamoto about six years ago, where he said he didn't think 4K would make that big of a difference for Zelda, but it would be huge for Pikmin. Yeah. Now, this predated switch. So this is this is a while ago. That's where this really holds back with Pikmin 3 on Wii U. We talked about how the HD resolution really benefited the game because of all the small details. And he thought 4K would be a huge benefit to Pikmin. And here we are getting Pikmin 4 next year, and it's conveniently taken since then to now, maybe in time for hardware. But again, that was advocate. There's no hardware next year. Hold on. Yeah, no, it's no hardware next year. No, that's when they, that's when we truly find out it's actually Pikmin 4K. Oh, here we go. Did that, that's probably what it is. That's probably what it is. But that's why I've been late to 2024 with this system. With their naming on the OLED model, would they not just do, is it switch 4K? And then they do Pikmin 4K, like back to the N64 days, or they're just naming it for the power of the console? That would be epic. Or, or, or, they'll just go ahead and deluxe everything, or Pikmin deluxe. Yeah, deluxe is another one. Pikmin 4K deluxe. Deluxe. New edition. Or do they try to launch everything that they have in 2023 and then sell us deluxe 4K versions on the new hardware in 2024? That is another one. Metroid Prime 4K. Oh, well, that, and that works perfect. And I do think that it does need to come out on new hardware. It should come out on new hardware whenever it launches. We haven't seen anything about it. We don't know when. But still, it should come out on new hardware because with the kind of technical, like, like how far ahead of that game was when it just Metroid Prime 1 through 3. I mean, but really Metroid Prime 1 when it came out on the GameCube. The fact that you can still up-res that to this day and it looks beautiful. I mean, it honestly looks on par with what we still have on the Switch and a lot of aspects. Prime 4 should do something technically impressive, I think. Yeah, yeah. Let me ask you guys something because Nate and I had an argument about this on Monday. We were about to get to this on the next topic too, I swear. Well, are we trans-distriting? Yeah, we're trans-distriting. I don't like this became both factors. Well, Eric has something to say. Everyone shut up. Shut up, Eric wants to talk. I don't have something that would give credence to Nate. It's going to be 2024K. Damn it. Oh, no. You're right. It's just going up 4K stuff, you know. Well, Prime 4 is definitely coming out 2023. So, I mean, that makes sense. Yeah, there we go. And people think Pickle 4 is going to get delayed, so, you know. So, the roundup this time is let's just see what the public thought. So, we're ending that poll there. We had about 99 votes in that thing. And I'm waiting for it to pop up to tell me what the final percentage was. Because, of course, I didn't look at the final percentage. So, I had to wait for it to actually... Did it pop up to 35? Yes, 58%. Yes, 40%. So, we have 58% yes and 40% no. So, the majority is on the side of the majority of the panel. Wait. And now it's 100. Wait, wait, wait, what? How does that work? That means there's 2% undecided. They just... That wasn't an option. How does that work, too? Oh, that's... The funny thing is, if it would have stopped at 99, I would have understood it because the rounding wouldn't be perfect. But it went to a perfect 100. So, it makes no sense. It should be 60-40. But for some reason, YouTube, your system's broke. All right, moving on. Yeah. Our next topic... We are in Colorado... We're going to talk about this, I guess, by talking about the lineup for Nintendo Switch or the system, I don't know, in 2023, and giving some predictions and thoughts and why we think the way that we do. First up, obviously, just recapping briefly what we know is announced for next year anyways. We also have the Kirby game. We got Fire Emblem Engage kicking off the year. We got Bayonetta Origins. Pikmin 4 probably coming a bit later in the year because it has no release date yet, just the year. And obviously, we have Tears of the Kingdom on May 12. And we talk about other third-party game stuff, you guys. So, I mean, overall, there's a bunch of them actually coming. Goal I'm supposed to be coming on next year on Switch. We're supposed to be getting Hogwarts Legacy, July 25th. We got Archive of Traveler 2 and a whole bunch of other games coming. So, it's actually a pretty packed slate so far in the first six to seven months of the system. But that's the first six to seven months. There's clearly going to be more. So, let's get to some predictions. Who wants to go first? I got my list up front of me. OK, all right. All right, let's get it. Let's let's let's drag Mike into here. I got my list. I got my list here. Of course, anything from January through April. Oh, well, well, well, minus April. Mike said a name every game that exists in the history of gaming. Yeah, every single game that exists in the history of gaming. We started the month in January. We started the month in Gaige. Somebody's been getting married, right? We know this one. OK, this is this is a married in the game. We know that. Kirby Forgotten Landon. Kirby, February, Bayonetta. OK, April, Super Mario movie. Will they release a game alongside Super Mario movie? You don't know, maybe. Yeah, of course. So let's let's start off from June and up. June, Pikmin for that's my prediction. July, July, June. Well, we're going to get there's E3, right? E3 is also in June in June. Yeah. So Pikmin for either Pikmin for is is is there. I think it's going to come out in June. I'll put your life for a new Super Mario game. August, one plus two, we will camp finally. September, new Donkey Kong game. October, just just just to put I think that I think that's a good for Metro Prime 4, but I put Metro Prime 4 in November because I put Mario Kart nine in October. Oh, who wears? Wow. Yeah, he always brings the big guns out. He's a dream. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, I mean, we're getting the last DLC in December for that one. So I'm guessing they would have to introduce the other one, right? Or give us a hint that something's coming out. Or just to show the wheels in 4K. All right, here we go. November, Metroid Prime 4 and December. No games holiday break. What? No games in December. No games in December. There was no games in December this year. Sports story for first party games exclusive. It's it. No, it's not a first party game. I don't I don't I don't count as exclusives. You first party games. But that technically is not a first party game, but still I mean, something that gives you listed may not be first party. You know, that's a that's a great great line territory because well, I mean, it's whatever publishes it. So I mean, there's also that that rumored sequel to one to switch. I think that was switch sports three or I don't think that was switch sports at all. I think there's no way it was for three or the rumor happened right before switch sports was announced. So, you know, yeah, but switch, switch sports is following up a very popular series from we. It was not a sequel to one to switch or just what was about the control is another internal cancellation. They're right. Wasn't there a name for it, too? I remember Nate, they gave us a name for every everybody's selling well, everybody's one to switch. Yeah. Yeah. All right. I want to make a video tomorrow. Cancel the game. Cancel the reason why I think switch sports is kind of I mean, you could be right. There may be there's another one to switch something coming. But first off with rumors, there's always like interpretation and conflation. So, you know, I always take that into consideration when I hear about rumors, even from the credible sources, right? And switch sports is a casual centric game. It's a successor to eSports, as you said, but it is at the end of the day, what? A mini game compilation, right? What is one to switch a mini game compilation that takes advantage of the unique abilities of the joy cons? One to switch is a party game, though. I would not call switch sports a party game. Well, I mean, can you play with four people? Yes. Therefore, party game. You can play with 20 people in one to switch. You can say it's here to the kingdom will be a party game. I'm not sure you I'm not sure you knew that. I know because I used to do it when I was an after school teacher, but you know, I didn't know that. I didn't know 20 games. I had 20. Yeah, that is a lot. Anyway, all I'm saying, I mean, first off, they're going to continue to make like casual mini game compilations. Like, I mean, it's already been a while since switch sports. They're working on another one. They've had something relatively major that appeals to the casual market almost every year. There's going to be something else. Like, I don't doubt that, but, you know, so I'll give you some credit. The producer, one of the producer, the producer want to switch, Kuchy Kawamoto is a co-producer of Nintendo sports, but obviously the directors have more say and we don't know who the director of what to switch was. So I think I think what's going to happen with sports is that they're going to continue adding more sports to it. They're going to they're going to they could add paid DLC. Yeah. And add more sports to it. Like a set of golf. Yeah, exactly. So that proves that you can actually with with sports, with we sports, they didn't have the ability just to add more games, you know, that's just a CD. But now, because it's all digital, they could just continue to add on top of that. So they'll probably do so many that are free, but then just start doing paid DLC and then throw into the expansion pack or something like that. I bet we've already gone to free stuff. And I think they're going to announce paid. That's a prediction. I think they'll announce paid DLC for Switch Sports. Maybe this February. Well, when you back, I didn't keep up with the sales on that game. But I don't think it necessarily did like crazy numbers, right? Switch sports. I have to double check that. I think it sold like four or five million. I mean, that's that's solid for sure. I just got 20. Yeah, 4.8 June 30th. So it's probably at five. 4.8 million. Yeah. So I mean, yeah, around a handful. Yeah, that was that's not nothing. That's not no, that's enough to do extra content for and give it another push or as well. Yeah. But you know, like we sports was like that because it was bundled with the console, but then even we sports was or it was like it seemed like a main event for the console. Switch Sports hasn't felt like that for the switch. No, as of two weeks ago, when me and my kids were playing, we did some online stuff and it was just like that. Finding matches is no problem. Like I don't want to do like an active community. So they want to point out, if we go back to Ringfoot Adventure, it's sold a lot over the last few years. Because it's actually maintained that evergreen status where it continues to sell. So that first year, I think it only sold OK. Like it sold a few million, but it wasn't like good. It's an evergreen. One of the ever. Right. But at first, it didn't look like it was going to be one of the best selling switch titles. But now it is because I'll continue to sell and never lost momentum really. I have mine. I've never opened it. So I bought it because I was going to work out, but then I still haven't opened it. It's still in the box. I thought it was cool, but I gave up. I don't know if that's something we want to admit. Yeah, I made it. It's still in the box. Just like the box. All right, let me go grab my ring. Quick, I'll start my workout on stream here. It's just right over there. It's hanging on my old wall mounted switch thing. I put it over there. So I never I never lose. Every year, I renew the same thing. Oh, I'm going to work out this year like crazy. Like I'm a black ball type window. So I'm like, I'm going to get back into black box form and everything. And I'm like, and I just renew it every year. So it's like a subscription. And then you just become like it. Then you realize I'm an adult and that's just that just sounds tiring. Let's let's do something fun instead. Yeah, no, I need to hear some removed now. I do a little spin kick and now my I was I was I was I was instructing in my thirties. So I'm my thirties. I'm not in my thirties anymore. I know I was my my my older than me, but he looks like he's my child. I'm older than anybody in this house. And this is this is the group in this house in this house. I don't know where in a house is it made of cards? House, house, this virtual house. But yeah, I mean, yeah, I, I, I, I might still your infinite wisdom need to ask you, though, because I notice you predicted Metroid Prime four. So does that mean you don't think that your primary masters coming now? I don't think any remasters are coming out. I think that Metroid will eventually be added to Nintendo online. But I don't think they're going to come there. They're going to make it all speculation and all. Hey, to Jeff Grubb's credit, he did cut his hair. The man of his word. He's a man of his word. He said he was coming out and I put my hair on. I saw the thumbnail. Oh, no, he's still hot. Dude, they went over the story of it in his stream earlier today. And like, literally, they were with like a pair of scissors just butchering the hell out of the garage randomly while people were token up and getting baked. It was welcome to California, everyone. And and then finally a real barber came in to try to make it look maybe not as crappy for his wife, but it still doesn't look very good. He's just everywhere in a lot of hats for a while. I mean, I bet. Yeah. But anyways, if you're giving us like a prediction for next year yet, I mean, Mike just gave us a whole year's worth of prediction, which is that's cool. That's cool. But this month, that's kind of side on. I think I think I'm ready for Nintendo to come up with a new IP, a brand new IP on that. This is something I don't really ever really talked about, but I probably should. So we still haven't gotten information on what the next project is for the EPG group that made both Mario Kart 8 and arms. And arms came out in 2017. Like that's a big studio from Nintendo, and it's been over half a decade. Like they could have just made Mario Kart like they could have made the next Mario Kart and they could be sitting on that and working on another game right now or vice versa. So that's just that's just like a crazy thing that Intel could just be kind of saving at any point. We have no idea when they'll drop that. I'm not predicting that for next year, by the way, but just bringing up something irrelevant for 2023. All right. I mean, it could be relevant. I don't know. But it's just a possibility, but it's not a personal prediction. And by the way, I gave you a prediction I hadn't predicted before. I told you, Swiss Sports DLC that we directed. I hadn't mentioned that before. That's what happened. Fine, fine. You want to say that's OK. Hey, you want to go with a safe prediction? I'm going to give you an unsafe prediction, apparently. Listen, I want to come to you. Apparently, apparently. I want to come to under defense. OK, under defense here. Half of the stuff I say is irrelevant. So. I. You slash every word. A half of what we all say is irrelevant. That's just the fact, right? We're talking about Nintendo here, guys. 100 percent of what I say is trying to figure out what they do. It's 2022 and I'm in my mid 30s and I'm wondering why anybody watches. It's just life. Yeah. So here's a prediction. I do think Metroid Prime remake is real. I do believe in the grub. I think it's coming. I just think the reason it didn't come then is because usually with rumors, we always get the timing wrong. It's going to come a little bit later. So I think probably Prime 4 just wasn't ready. And they do have a plan to hype up Metroid. And Prime remake comes first and then Prime 4. So my prediction is and I know it's kind of one of those things like every year we kind of predict something Metroid and then we don't get it. But we did get Metroid Dread in 2021. So you want to put your hair on it? No. No. OK, first off, I don't have any inside sources on this, right? I just I'm just believing the other. Are you sure? Versus are you sure you don't have inside sources? There is only one thing that I have inside sources on that I've talked about. Everything else is just public information. I heard me a lot of this is Miami a lot. Well, for the crowd who doesn't know, clarify what that thing is that you talked about. So all right, first, let me just clarify it. So I am predicting primary master this year. And I think I think next year for I mean, yeah. Twenty twenty three. And you go with Jeffrey Grub prediction. It's coming up next three days. New Year's Eve. Even your head. Can you imagine if a shot of draft like the day before? Watch it does. Well, I would feel so bad for Grub if they just drop it this Friday. I feel like they tend to just want to save his head. It's like you want to leak this? Oh, no. Shake your head. I'll drop it. No, I'll drop it. OK, so I'll tell you. I mean, I've talked about this before. I made a video way back when I've alluded to it. I know what you're going to say, but I just to clarify for the crowd. So the thing is, I it's one of those things because it's like an inside thing. I don't want to say too much, but basically. I know or knew someone that worked at Nintendo. They died that would be privy to die. That's why you don't know him anymore. They would be privy to some level of marketing information. And there were things they told me that all came true. There they were the things that other people were saying already, right? So, you know, it wasn't like anything crazy. But one of those things is that, yeah, Donkey Kong, that they saw stuff for Donkey Kong. But it hasn't come out yet. But that doesn't mean it won't happen. Because, like, I mean, I've talked about it before. There are things we hear about years in advance for whatever reason, or whatever was left over stuff from last time. No, those left over flyers that they had, like just sitting on a table from from possible. Hopefully they would know if it was. It was a tropical freeze. Yeah, the pamphlet didn't realize that it's a tropical freeze. Right on it was a fly right there. Well, I mean, this person I was talking to is not an idiot. So, you know, I hope not. But I mean, but the thing is, you know, that aside, there are other there are other elements, right? Like there's Nintendo has for there. You look at the Mario movie, they're putting a pretty big focus on the Kongs that they did not have to do. Like most depictions of Mario don't necessarily have the Kong family in it, not to that extent, but they're doing it. They hired Seth Rogen for Donkey Kong. That's a pretty expensive hire. And then they're also expanding the Universal Park to with Donkey Kong, not Zelda, not Animal Crossing, not Pokemon, other far bigger franchises that would seemingly bring in more people. They're doing Donkey Kong. The Pokemon. I do think these are signs that they have a plan, a marketing plan for Donkey Kong, which all of that just so happens to coincide with other people out there on the Internet that have said that are also saying they've heard things. So the reason I believe in Donkey Kong has nothing to do with any outside rumors, but those rumors line up with what I think they solidify your stance. Now, with Donkey Kong, I could see it coming out 2024, not 2023. But for fun, I am also predicting that for next year, because why not take advantage of the Mario movie popularity and also bring that out there? Let's clarify, Pokemon is coming to Super Nintendo World. Is it? Yeah. They haven't announced like an expansion. It's like breaking news. It was one of those like pipe dreams. But I've already made a video about it. I have a I have a friend who works at that. I can't, you know, and I said that they spoke about Pokemon coming to Super Nintendo World and they have other other areas from Japan that only exist in Japan that are coming to the Universal Studio. Like a whole like side park, you mean like maybe like, for example, they're going to be a region, a region. It's like a region. Yeah, it's going to be like a region, like a region. So it's like a park, but it's in a theme of a region. So it's probably after DK. OK, yeah, they're doing they're doing in stages. Well, yeah, it happens for them to ultimately add Pokemon into Nintendo World. Yeah, at some point. Yeah. Yeah. I just want to cross it. And there's what they do, Zelda. I'm there. And there's also a Kirby water park. Kirby water park. That would be sick. Kirby water park. That'd be what what is happening right now. OK, I remember your Pokemon thing. Where does Kirby stuff come from? Hey, the man was texting me a moto two hours ago. Yeah, I replied yet. OK, clearly Kirby water park. What? Yeah, there's a Kirby water park. I swear, Mike's breaking news on this podcast every week. And I. Pokemon cafes come into to Universal Studios. Oh, the cafe. Sure. I get that. That's just a restaurant, though. For those of you who love Sailor Moon, Sailor Moon is also coming to Universal Studios and then Hello Kitty is coming to Universal Studios, like a Hello Kitty area, like a huge one that only exists in Japan. That's coming to Universal Studios also. That's interesting. Yeah. And we're going to see this in the next, like, 10 years. Yeah, Powerpuff Girls. Is that it? I mean, it's happening. It's happening here. It's opening in 2025. It's opening in 2023, next February in LA. Yeah. So 2025 will you know what you forgot? Mike, whatever you forgot the new Chris Pratt Park. The real expansion. Dude, dude, don't talk about Chris Pratt, man. I was just close to landing an interview with Chris Pratt. I mean, I could talk about it now. It's not hard, but this is horseshoe or hand grenades. It didn't happen. Yeah, I was already in contact with their agents and we were setting it up and everything. This is before the trailer trailer. He hyped it up on his he hyped it up on his Twitter and everything. Everything was super happy until the backlash. That's when they decide to to if you notice every single trailer, Mario is kind of like a background character. Every other character kind of speaks more and they focus and they haven't done, you know, since that they they they they've shifted their promotion. Jack Black is already out there doing interviews for the movie. I think it's interesting about that. I know this is like a little bit of a side sidebar topic. Yeah. It's if they see the backlash and it's as bad as apparently Nintendo or Universal thinks it is. Yeah. I mean, I don't know that you couldn't just recast at this point. And then I recast. I know they're not going to. Yeah, because I think in general, Chris Pat's are going to help move tickets. He could he could read redub. In yeah, it kind of feels weird. You're the main character in the whole movie. We're just kind of backgrounding you because nobody likes you. Yeah, I think I think he kind of fell back too much on the fact that that Emmett was so beloved and the voice kind of fit the character so much that I guess he thought he could get away with doing something similar to that. Although we haven't heard a full dialect of him talking on a regular basis. Yeah, I don't think we know enough yet. Yeah, yeah, we haven't heard a prediction action scene or anything. Exactly. I got your prediction. I got it for be OK with a more movie overall. Yeah, he would be fine. But when it comes to marketing, marketing, they are being very careful with where he go, with with him specifically where he goes before. It was it was it was like I was on the list on the line on the list to for the interview for the for the media tour. And then they said, OK, we because of of, you know, certain situations, we've had to limit the amount of media that he because he requested it. He requested that it'll be so much smaller now. So well, he also has Guardians of the Galaxy coming out, too. So like he's going to double dip in this year. OK, yeah, yeah, he's got a lot of stuff on his plate. Well, what I also find just that I want to bring this up because it just around the top of the money for a moment, because I know there's a lot of people out there that believe that, you know, Charles Martin, they should have been the voice and been the voice the whole time. And they have a hard time time, like understanding what that voice would sound like with full spoken sentences back to back. Yeah, there is that we already know what it sounds like, guys. There is and I did a short on this. You can look it up on YouTube. There is a clip of when Mario used to free order Mario Galaxy back in the day. He would call you the day before it came out to let you know your game is going to be ready to pick up. And Charles Martin goes on talking as Mario for like paragraphs. And let me tell you, after about 12 seconds, you're ready to turn the video off. Yeah. Yeah. Mario, his voice of Mario is amazing in short burst. It does not work. Like I've been saying it and I knew it. And I don't think people realize that we already know what it's like. And it's it's not it's just not good. It's this is no not discrediting. Charles Martin, excellent voice actor. I love what he does. It's just not the right voice for full spoken paragraph sentences. It's just he would have to change his Mario. Yes. Yeah. And then it would be weird. And then people would have wouldn't be happy with it. You know, that's not Mario. Exactly. So Mario, if you're going to change it, then you might as well just try to sell tickets with a big name. Well, the thing is that that Charles Martin there will always be the voice of Mario when it comes to video games. So there's nothing changing there. And and if you notice that all he does is reactions. But there's no, you know, it's all react. You won't be happy. Go watch the French version with subtitles. All right, guys, everyone seems to like the French Mario voice. So yeah, yeah. I think people are just afraid of change. Yeah, I'm happy with it. They're dead. They're definitely gone. You know, I've seen I've already seen throughout my lifetime. I've seen different voices of Mario, so I'm happy with it. Five. I think we have five total voices for Mario. I want to steal that short. Um, all right, give me a prediction for next year. Let me let me bring you the full screen focus here. Yeah. What are we going on? No, I mean, does Nintendo put out like it just has to wait. Does Nintendo put out? Wait a second. Hold up. Hey, hold up. We got to we got to turn on the age gate. Yeah, right, right. Hold on. Yeah, right. Does Nintendo put out a five minute video of Charles Martin, they just talking as Mario five minutes straight. Just just him talking as Mario and be like, OK, here is your dose of Mario. Have fun and see how many dislikes it gets after, you know, it's well, here's the problem. People would clip it, then they grab like all the clips of Chris Patton. Go, this is better. And it's just like, no, I know. No, there is if you give me an actual prediction now. Oh, goodness gracious. Well, I know Mike said something about, you know, obviously, sort of under both the Mario movie. It'd be interesting to see them post credits drop a trailer for a new Mario game. The others. That'd be a weird way to announce it. But it's not impossible. It post credits Mario game. But maybe maybe the same day to same day as a movie release, just to continue the story in the new Mario game. I mean, the drop. I'll say that I'll say that there's a decent chance that they could announce the Mario game in the February direct. So they could potentially cross promote both the game and the movie simultaneously. Uh-huh. Yeah, I'm skeptical they would have put it actually in the movies and credit scene, but I could see some cross from motion. What if the game is is mobile? Oh, maybe. Yeah, I will throw my phone out the window. So your prediction is Mario movie reveal at the end of the movie or just a trailer. It'd be interesting. No, it'd actually be kind of close. Mario sits down to play a Mario game. And it ends up being a subtle, a subtle tease that people debate is a game or not that I could see. That I think is more believable than a trailer. Yeah, whatever it is, Charles Martin, and at the end of the movie, Mario sits down and they owe me. They made a game about me. And all of a sudden, Charles Martin's voice. Yeah, that's that's this multiple roles. Nothing. Right. All right. Now, man, and I know again, I hate to, you know, just keep jumping on what Andre said, but that we've heard so much things about a rumor of Donkey Kong game. It I could see it coming. You know, it's I don't hate you for jumping on. Come on, join this bandwagon. Let's go. Do it. I mean, I love me some Donkey Kong. Donkey Kong is we're going to sing the D.K. rep all the way downhill. Heck yeah. Heck yeah. Oh, so I can see that coming, too. I mean, it's I don't know. I don't know what else really, really could there be. And oh, just wait till you get to me. Oh, yeah, I've got I've got I know you've probably got my my along. I've got some bangers, not miles long, but I got some bangers. I got one particular banger. People are going to get really hyped about. But before we get to that sum, bro, give me some predictions for next year. OK, well, a lot of them are going to be the leak rumor mill talk that I go I'm getting that rumor mill because hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Rumor mill. Oh, that's all right now that you're now that you're ready. No, I do think so. And a lot of it will be what Andre said, too, because I do think that Metroid Prime, they're going to have to rebrand and relaunch this game before Prime Four comes out in some way, shape or form, whether it's Prime Trilogy HD and give it another separate shot to sell. This game came out 20 years ago now, the original Metroid Prime. There are so many gamers that are just brand new and they don't even know what the Metroid franchise entails unless they picked up dread. But then maybe the 2D aspect, you know, turned them off from it. They don't know what a 3D Metroid plays, looks or feels like. And I do think that Nintendo, putting all the money into Prime Four, it restarting it, they're taking it seriously. They could have scrapped the project all together when they thought it wasn't going in a good direction, but they gave it to Retro, who did the Prime three games originally. They're taking that franchise seriously. I think they want Metroid to be elevated up there with the Mario, Zelda's, animal crossings of the world. So I think Prime remake makes a lot of sense to launch in 2023. Unfortunately, Grubb had to lose his hair, but between Grubb and Nate, the hate both really going out of their way to say, like, yeah, we know, even Emily Rogers, just, you know, and Retro being based here in the US, like the likelihood of having a contact at that studio that would let you know something about that. If you were legitimate friends with them, I think is high. That one I would put in my more safe bucket of, I think we get it in 2023. The ones we know about Pikmin four, I honestly could see that being a coin toss to be in 2023 or not. Like that might be like an end of the year. Maybe it happens. Maybe it doesn't. I don't think we get Metroid Prime four in 2023. I think that that is actually further out. And we're talking about next-gen hardware or whatever's next before we see that before we see that game launch. And then I agreed. But I mean, in 2017, just sad. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, it is one of those things that because they're taking it seriously, we haven't seen anything of the game yet, and they may want to give fans an opportunity to play through fully the old prime games. First, that we might see that kind of drip fed. I also worry about dropping a game like that at the end of a generation instead of the beginning of it. Correct. That one belongs at the almost the launch lineup of new hardware would be the perfect spot for that game to drop. If it's not, if new hardware is the longest years of the kingdom, first year of the new hardware. Yeah. A different. So Donkey Kong is a coin flip on whether or not it's 2023, but it is time because Tropical Freeze is still a 2014 game, even though it came out again in 2018 on the Switch. It's just the DK franchise has just been forgotten about for too long now. So there's that's a strong likelihood for 2023 or 2024. I think it's one of the two Mario something, but I'm not as sold on the fact that it's 3D Mario. I actually think that we could get another 2D Mario game. And that's kind of the casual mainstream thing that they try to market alongside of the Mario movie. Although I think it would be better to do a 3D Mario game full on like Odyssey 2 or just whatever Bowser's Fury was, but expand upon that. I think that makes a lot more sense to do. And I hope it is that, but I also could see Nintendo just throwing here's 2D Mario for now and we're saving the next big Mario adventure in 3D for whatever's next outside of that. I think that, I mean, we're gonna see some other ports. Hopefully F-Zero needs to come back at some point in time. They need to at least give it a shot to sell on a console this successful. So just a GameCube port of GX remastered, whatever you want to call it. That makes all the sense in the world. I think you at least test the market to see if you can get another game that's a racing game that's not Mario Kart to perform very well. I don't think we get anything Mario Kart at all. I think that that's definitely the DLC is what they have planned for that franchise until next-gen console and then we get a big Mario Kart. Maybe they call it nine or maybe they consider tour nine and this is Mario Kart X or just 10 or just whatever the big thing it, like or just some brand new name. But I think that that's further off. And then, I mean, outside of that, the one I guess out there on a limb prediction that isn't really necessarily tied to a leak or rumor, but rather just like some job postings and also what's going on with like secondary Zelda games because we always got something in the way of like a 2D new experience on Zelda on handheld. I would love to see just like a wish list. I don't necessarily think it's going to happen in the same year as Tears of the Kingdom, but not necessarily a remake or a port of the Wind Waker Twilight Princess and all the ones we want to see come over or even just Oracle remakes or something like, I actually would love to see them kind of do a link between world style game but made for the Switch. And it's a new iteration in 2D Zelda continuing that alongside of 3D Zelda. And I think that's about all I got. And when all that stuff falls, and if it falls at all, it's just, you know, we're talking about Nintendo again, but I do think that 2023 still has plenty of room for announcements. Even though it's already looking somewhat stacked, I think there's a lot of room between the February Direct, E3 hopefully coming back in full force and the closeout with September Direct. Oh, and by the way, final prediction, the September Direct, I think I feel fairly certain we will get the Game Boy Family of Systems revealed at that September Direct. Advance Game Boy Color and Game Boy Original all at once. I think that's the big one. Every two years they add something major. Every two years. Yep. Nice. Nice. That's my 20, 20, 20. All record, all record. Here, just a minute. Just to go ahead and then steal one of his some of those predictions, I'll take that 2D Zelda and add it over to the month of December there. The 2D Zelda. Before that. I'm going beyond it anyways. Mario. I want to see a link to the past, the way they did Link's Awakening. Okay. All right, all right. That would be beautiful. Those are pretty solid predictions. So I don't really disagree with a lot of them. It's pretty solid. A lot of them are based on rumors and I would love, I'd love top-down Zelda. I have one more question. You see the Metroid thing, the Metroid thing. Do you want to get into the Metroid? I'll go into Metroid right now. You'll do it. No, it's okay. There's no Metroid happening next year. I had a question. No? Nothing? You bet you have. Hold on, hold on. A question from the Eric Meister. Do you guys think that Advanced Wars finally gets dropped next year? Yeah, I'm hoping for an April release, but I could say no. It might be Shadow dropped, but it's going to drop to some point. Every worry. Every worry. I say every worry. I don't think they can the game. It's just getting kicked down the road. Yeah. Or they just throw it on itself for free or something. I don't know. They won't even announce it. We'll just show up one day in the eShop. I mean, the thing is they have physical copies that are like printed and ready to be sold. They'll give them out. Okay. I mean, we can get to the whole Metroid thing. The only Metroid is happening. But first, let me get to my predictions. And that's not one of my predictions because I was predicting something not happening. I want to have fun and predict stuff that's going to happen. And I talked about on Andrew's podcast on was it Monday or something? About like, hey, 3D Mario. Okay, cool. Whatever. But what I want to actually focus on are two things. Well, I'm going to throw a third in. You know what? I'm going to throw a fourth in. I want to give you a four pack. Oh boy. Okay. I don't know what months are coming out. I'm not going to do that, but next year. All right. We are going to see a new game. I have a month for this one actually, October. The October game is not a link between worlds remake. No. Sorry. The October game is going to be Luigi's Mansion. Four. Oh. All right. Luigi's Mansion 4. Okay. I'll launch it on Halloween. All right, before. I like it. I like it with Luigi's Mansion 3. Next level games I know did Mario Strikers, but I think they've actually grown and they've got multiple teams at this point working on games. So I think that they've had a team working on the next Luigi's Mansion since the last one. Now that Strikers is done, they maybe moved even more members over to try to finish the game off. And who knows, it might already be done for all I know. I have no idea because there's all those rumors about Nintendo sitting out a bunch of games, but Luigi's Mansion 3 is so incredible. I'll give you that the Mario movie will help Luigi Mansion. Yes. And the Mario movie as well. That's just another Mario type with the build off of that. Luigi's probably going to be a pretty popular character based on reactions so far. It could make quite a bit of sense to drop that next October. And again, I'm just picking October because that's what they did with Luigi's Mansion 3. They don't have to do that, but it's a haunted house game. Sort of feels like it should be in the month that's all about haunted stuff. But it could be whatever, really. I'm about a mini movie, like at the beginning of Super Mario movie. A mini, like one of those little mini shorts with Luigi in the mansion. What a fast, like an end, like an end. Oh, a bonus, a bonus. That's the end credit scene. Oh, and then all of a sudden we get the game and then there's like a Luigi Mansion movie coming on after like some point. I just... Yeah, somewhere in the game there's a hidden Luigi's Mansion trailer. Yeah, a movie trailer. Hey, that would be crazy. Just get this whole metaverse going. Let's go. Yeah. All the references. So there's the Luigi's Mansion 4. I really would like to see that next year. I don't know that it's going to be a, they might just do a once per generation thing and have it come out on the next system, but never know it could be an next system next year. Maybe that's a reason to release it. Maybe it's not. I don't know, but I do think it's been three years. And I think the engine they're using is incredible. They could use it again. As long as they got the ideas. Solid. And obviously three sold really, really well. They're clearly going to keep making more of Luigi's Mansion. And Next Level Games has shown massive improvements from Dark Moon to three. Like they show they can go next level with Luigi's Mansion. I'm really curious what they can do. I would like them to output more games because the last like decades been every three years. Dark Moon was 2013, Federation Forces 2016, then Mansion 3 and 19, then Strikers in 2022. Like they have a, they, whenever they develop something, it's great. So, you know. Yeah. I look at it as after Nintendo bought them, I feel like maybe they got involved in and expanded their teams. I can't prove that. I'd have to go dig through a bunch of hiring posts to see if they have. Well, they have not Luigi's Mansion for next year. Well, that might be proof things. Obviously, they were developing two games at once. Which also means they're all working on another game on top of that. I don't know what it would mean, something. So that's one prediction. Another one is someone actually brought it up in the chat and the hoops to get through it. I actually did some research on this before the show. So I wanted to bring it up and it's actually not that bad. Nintendo basically owns all the rights. It's not really that big of a deal. And that would be this comment here by dead walking 89. Speaking of things that would make me hype. A remaster of eternal darkness. Ooh, all part of the GameCube remaster initiative. Yeah. And you know what? That's a thing that I truly believe is happening. And I don't know what games will be part of it. But I'm going to predict that that's going to be one that drops next year. I wouldn't love that. Nintendo likes to have some obscure games like that. Sometimes it maybe aren't super expensive to put an HD and remaster. And you just wouldn't think they'd do it. I mean, remember, we got we got those games from remade from the NES that were exclusive in Japan out of nowhere. I forgot what those are called. My drone of Lincoln. FAMY something. Anyways, we got those games just super obscure. Didn't sell very well. But Nintendo said, hey, they're a legacy. Let's get these over. We never released them in the West. So and someone in the chat will probably correct me on what the name of those games were. Famicom Detective Club. There it is. Yeah, that's the one. So they do like to do these random games that you just don't really think they touch again. And this isn't as random because it's actually a critically acclaimed horror game. It just there were just a lot of drama. With the stuff back in the day, which is why we never got a direct sequel to it. But that doesn't matter. Nintendo owns all the rights to the original. They could easily bring it back, even if they don't feel like they have a team to make a sequel or anything right now. Like going back to the Silicon Night's Well wouldn't work. It's an entirely different team now. What's also interesting to me is I think there's something coming from Platinum. I don't know necessarily what it's going to be. There's obviously there's obvious ones like Astral Chain 2. I think Astral Chain did well enough for a second one to come out. And they've said they were interested. And obviously we got banned out of origin. So you can say, oh, we already got our Platinum game. But I think there's an even bigger game than that coming. Could be a new IP because they tend to dip to Platinum for new IPs. So it could be something like that. Could be a wonderful one on one sequel because it has been spoken that he really wants to make a sequel to that and not don't know if that's something that Nintendo would greenlight. But I do think there's something new coming there. And I just I don't know. I don't know what it is. So I just think there's something from Platinum coming beside the bay in that picture. I just don't know what it is. What is it? Is that three? I said I have four, right? Yes, I said three. OK. All right. My fourth one is Zelda related. And it's something that came up earlier. But I didn't I was leaving it alone because it was in my predictions because I think it'll be its own game. The problem is I don't it's not going to be where people want it to be. Remember, these are just predictions for 2023. It's going to be a phone game. Yep. I mean, mobile. It's going to be as though the dungeon maker for phones. It's going to it's going to build off the Link's Awakening stuff. Everything in the Link's Awakening Dungeon Maker could easily be done on phones, and on my multiplayer, add a few more features, putting gotcha mechanics to unlock, you know, different puzzle elements and and I don't read the link stuff. Yeah, different different costumes. Maybe you get playable Zelda or something. I don't know. They could do a lot of crazy things that they do gotcha mechanics for all the Zelda characters if they want, make them playable just for fun, even though there's like no technical difference between them. It's just a Mario maker and give us different graphical styles. Yeah, could do that. And again, I would prefer if they were going to do a Zelda dungeon maker, I'd prefer they just go all out and make like a giant console type and even a 3D dungeon maker like we were speculating on earlier, possibly with the tears of the kingdom or something for a multiplayer mode. I would prefer that. But I do think that Zelda is that it's one of those major IPs that they just haven't brought over to phones yet. And we do a Zelda game coming next year, and they seem to line up phone games and usually they come up before a new game. But maybe this is in lieu of releasing the tears of the kingdom. Then we have Zelda dungeon maker on phones followed by a top down Zelda in 2024, etc, etc, etc. So because I do think this is in a 2023 edition. I do think Rezo is making a new top down Zelda game for 2024. OK. Yeah. But that's not a 2023 prediction, but it kind of follows in lieu of we'll have the mobile Zelda app, which I'm predicting to be Zelda. It could be something else. I have no idea. Yeah. And then I love I love the idea. And I feel like as a dungeon maker needs to happen. But I think Nintendo understands the amount of backlash there would be if the 2D dungeon maker went to mobile. I also feel like I feel like I don't know. No, well, history will tell us or reveal what actually happens, obviously. But I think I think Nintendo is a little bit smarter now than they used to be. And we've also seen other companies make this mistake. Like, what was that game that was announced not too long ago? Was it there was like a Diablo mobile game? Yeah, right. Back to there. Yeah. So I think I feel like I understand that. And also they're they're not like that gone whole about mobile. Like they are making mobile games, but it's not like their primary focus. So I think whatever they do for mobile, it's something that they're very conscientious of and careful about. And they don't want to do anything to impact their IP brand. So I think that if they do something, Zelda mobile, it makes sense. You know, you want to push tears of the kingdom, like I'm all for that idea. I think it makes sense. I just think it wouldn't be something that we really want on console. I think it would be just a different direction. Well, do they do the Pokemon unite type of thing and grant Pokemon's game freak and the Pokemon company? But do they make it playable on mobile? But also here's a free e shop download that you can do. Like I can maybe see them do something like that because the problem is if they only put it on mobile, I do agree that Legend of Zelda is one of those franchises that that will that will cause backlash. But then I also think Nintendo knows they have a whole another generation of gamers growing up playing roadblocks and Minecraft on their phones that if, you know, if they can hit a Nintendo icon, they're going to want to want it on that it can also be like a cross platform thing that you could have all these gotcha stupid money making mechanics on phone. But then you could just buy the full game for like 30 bucks and switch and just have everything and then you can cross play each other's dungeons between the devices. I mean, it's not impossible. We've seen, you know, Fortnite and other games. You don't have to have that cross play with mobile and console. I'm OK with that. Yeah, I think a lot of people would be more OK with that. I think I think that's why the whole I mean, this is a different topic entirely, but that's why like the whole discord integration on games needs to or all consoles needs to happen sooner rather than later. Were you because we're already getting that with Call of Duty, Fortnite, Fall Guys, even like all of these cross platform play. And I think 10 years in the future, we only lean more into that. So like the quicker companies get that mentality on like whatever device you want to play on, just play our stuff the better, you know. Well, you want us to another great thing they could do for Switch to that would be like, hey, by the system, discord integration. That would be be huge supreme. Also, maybe an auto jack in the controller so we can plug in headsets and at least how about streaming to YouTube and and and Twitch from straight from the console? On a new system, but the news is that if they come in, maybe PS4, Box One, that was fully compatible out of the gate. If we're assuming that whatever is next with Nintendo hardware is up to that level at least, then in theory, they should be able to. I have an Xbox Series S and it streams to Twitch flawlessly. So it's good. It's good marketing for their games. So like why it makes sense, right? Like I actually feel like the share feature on Switch is pretty good. It's not something I would have expected Nintendo to do before they had it. And I think it's maybe sometimes people overlook underutilized. Yeah. Yeah. So listen, I think I I'm looking at a trademark here. Registration dates. I was like, I can feel like registration date December 29, 2022. But I realized that in Japan, it's one fifty eight p.m. So I'm actually kind of it actually goes together. So this trademark is is reissued. It was reissued basically today and it's for Donkey Kong. And it's it's for Donkey Konga. No. Yes. Yes. Yes. Please tell me it's coming back. Yes. Yes. You're just protecting the name. It doesn't mean it's coming out next year. I mean, no. It it was just registered trademark. GameCube remasters, baby. Let's do a GameCube remaster. Let's do it, dude. I want to beat some some bongos. Let's go. I'll share the link. I'll share the link. They better make enough of those damn controllers to sell. I swear. If it's like the bond goes in attached to the size of this. Yeah. Hold on. I don't want them to go with Donkey Kong. I think we can let that one die. Oh, come on. Rhythm games, they just do it, except it's like an actual game with rhythm. Let's do it. I feel like they looked around at what rock band and guitar hero we're doing. And they were just like, you know what? We got a franchise that can do this. Let's sell them drums, you know, and like, what if it's a part of the game? It's like a section of the game. Like there's a mini game. There's a mini game inside the Donkey Kong game that you actually use a Konga with. So that's what I think the next Donkey Kong is going to be. I think that the actual Donkey Kong, right? Like, I think Nintendo is probably focused on three Mario and I would love to see Nintendo 2D more. I feel like if we get whichever Mario we get this year, we get the next year, hopefully, but I also think the Donkey Kong game at this point, I think it's going to be a 2.5 D Donkey Kong, which I know disappoints some people. But think about how good Metroid Dread was and how it had like that 2.5 D gameplay. There's a lot of moments that was in 3D behind the shoulder. Since we're talking about Donkey Kong Konga, that inevitably also brings up the conversation of bringing back a new version of the actual bongos, right? They get attached to Joy-Cons. Well, it wasn't just Donkey Kong and Donkey Kong 2 that were compatible with those bongos, but also Jungle Beat, which was a 2D Donkey Kong game that was 2.5 D had 3D visuals. There was a lot of moments where the camera was cut behind Donkey Kong's shoulder. There are 3D boss fights. It was a pretty good looking game for Gamecube. It was actually made by the developer that went on to make Mario Galaxy. So it was pretty. Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. You're all right, Mike. We got you. But anyway, I could see the situation where maybe they do bring back the Konga line as a side thing. Not like it's a serious thing. Maybe that's maybe it's a mobile game. That's a mobile game right there. Well, actually, you know what the trademark says? It actually mentions for console and mobile. OK, here we go. And the point is they could bring back the bongos. And if they have another 2.5 D Donkey Kong game, it could play like Jungle Beat. Yeah, I mean, so it's a game. But it would just be like an alternative. That's the game for. Says video game machines, cases for smartphone covers for smartphone recorded computer game software for smartphone. There's a bongo case for phones. Hell, yeah, feature, fiction, stories, booklets, mantles and all that stuff you have like foldable bongos over the top. And it's like never mind. I can't talk about the Konga game. The rhythm Donkey Kong. I would see that being mobile if they want to have a Switch version too. But like the actual Donkey Kong switch would be like actual Donkey Kong gameplay that would be on Switch, not mobile. Yeah. If it's a mobile game, hang on. E-Primify and chat with him because the DK Hero, if they do it with a full band and we're getting doing the Donkey Kong rap, but with all of our own controllers, bring back a guitar hero type of vibe or the four player different members of the band. Somebody can sing. Rock band style. We got we got the old drums back. Let's do it. If they do it right, I can see it happening that way. What if they have a Labo set that makes you allow you to make different like Donkey Kong instruments and it's compatible? Yes, revive. I'd be kind of fun. It's kind of funny. Every time Labo is brought up, I just keep thinking of the of the cardboard thing. It was like an elephant, but all it is is a drawing painting game. It makes it makes you have this. You guys haven't seen that like that. I own it. It's it's so ridiculous. Is it the one that goes on the glass? It looks like a giant elephant nose. And all it really is is a painting game. Like there's it's got nothing to do with elephants. Is it the VR one? Yes, it's done. OK, it's fun. But you look stupid. There's no point. There's no point to this giant elephant looking thing. Right. This looks like I'm like a Donkey Kong mug. I mean, if you threw the DK logo on the black part right in the area. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you could sell it as a DK mug. Feel like it needs a bit more barrel look to it for me. No barrel, a little bit more barrel, pint glass barrel. I'm going to have to go get one of those. I bet you they exist. There's got to be a DK pint glass barrel. Yeah, you know, you're the seller at Super Nintendo World. You know, like, you know what? I'm going to go straight to the alcohol stand and be like, what souvenir do we got that I can get? That's just massive. Oh, that's going to cost me 150 bucks. I think there's no alcohol in the Super Nintendo World. Probably probably isn't. I actually have no idea. They do sell alcohol in Universal Parks. And once they do, they'll have no car. There you go. I wonder. I wonder if that's even true at the restaurants they have there, too. No, I'm working on the Super Nintendo World complete guide and and there's no alcohol in the park. Well, that's just good for them. They rated it E10 plus and they took out the Grudew bar. So it's not but there's alcohol in E10. I'm just, you know what? They don't have to call it. They can just call it the milk bar, but we all know what's going on. I'll be at the milk bar at the bar. Well, thanks for confirming I'm never going. Well, you know what? There can't be a milk bar to the Zeldas. That's why it's the ultimate guide. The Zeldas section hasn't been added yet. That's where the alcohol has not. If they did the milk bar for Majora's Mask full on in a Nintendo World theme park. Yeah, I would hang out there. I would have to move. I would actually have to move. Yeah, you can go order. It's just full glasses of rum shot or something. Yeah, you'd better have cookies there. Right? Better have cookies. Well, in California, you might have more than just cookies inside. You'll have to find out that milk bar is serving. Anyway, is that what we got? Is that what we got for predictions next year? I mean, Donkey Kong seems to be pretty strong at this point. Lots of Donkey Kong, something something happening. Yeah, Donkey Kong t-shirts. No, Metroid. We all agree on that. No, no, we don't. Metroid, I'd say Metroid, Metroid Prime 4 is coming out next year. Is that a vibe? Is that a whole? No, that's what's going to happen. It's solid. Is that a will? That's not even a will. No, he just knows. No, like, I know what I know. Do you know where he works? You know the access he might have? I will. I will shave my eyebrows. Oh, no. Oh, boy. Did you clear? Is this white? No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Don't wait. Hold on a second. I will shave my eyebrows right after I confirm. OK, we're getting a Jeff Grubb mistake already. We're not even to 2023 yet. Metroid Prime 4, you mean? How did in your man of your word, you those eyebrows will be gone on January 1st. I remember I remember clearly and at that, at that, that shareholder meeting, I saw that they at the end of that PDF where they were talking about all the swing, swing, three games. And even though Metroid Prime 4 was the only one without a date, it was there. Yes, it's confirmed it's still being made. You're correct. They didn't cancel the congrats. Yes. And I'm on LinkedIn yesterday. I'm like, I'm LinkedIn. Just check them out and check in stuff on LinkedIn. And also I see it pop up. Oh, come work for Retro Studios. We're working on Metroid Prime 4. You want to work here? Oh, we're working on Metroid Prime 4. Come work for us because this means the game's coming out next year. I think the Metroid Prime hype will begin next year. I think we will see a quick glimpse of footage for Prime 4 and we'll be enjoying Prime HD. I will be enjoying Ibriless Mike for the final live show. I think he has to check with his wife or something first. Right? He already said it. He already put it out there. Metroid Prime 4 for the fall of two thousand and twenty three. They seem to say it's the gibert of all his body here because I don't know if I want to see that. Yeah, you would not have to prove that. Well, I know what Mike looks like without the beard. I've seen beardless Mike. I'll tell you this. If you're right, there is literally no way in hell that New Harbour does not come out next year. Metroid Prime 4. I do feel like Metroid Prime 4 is running on new hardware more than likely. Yeah, before. But is it next year? You are convicted to this, I understand. And I'm convicted to no Metroid next year. I don't think it is. I think I think that's I do agree with Andre that that's when we see Prime remake or Prime Trilogy HD. And I hope it's Prime Trilogy HD, but the whole hearsay about if we if we are to believe the grub talk. Well, let me explain why there's no Metroid next year, because Metroid Prime 4 is not coming in twenty twenty four. It's coming in twenty twenty five. OK, and but they're not dumb. They're not dumb because, OK, I believe Metroid Prime HD is done. I believe it's been done. So instead, because they were going to release games one at a time. Now they're actually working on two and three to put that in the HD and they'll release it as a trilogy in twenty twenty four. You know what? I want to go as far as to say and Metroid Prime 4 will be in the Nintendo Direct in February. Stop. If we can get it later on the eyebrows on that, the eyebrows on that. Well, like the like the rock are you you won't have the eyebrows to do that anymore. I will shave half of one half of one in February. Oh, God, if it doesn't happen, if Metroid Prime 4 doesn't make the Nintendo February Direct, I mean, at least you could do is a safe one and be like, if Zelda is not in that direct, then I will like, OK, like that's pretty safe. Yeah, you don't like safe. Because I won't even be a February Direct. And then what happens? It's kind of boring if it's safe. Yeah. Oh, my gosh, Mike. Speaking of that, before we end this in the show, I do need to hand Eric his trophy because he won something, folks. For even one something where you actually have something to prove it. Yeah, all the time. It's got your name on it. Oh, so can we get a drum roll, please? I don't know. Let me get my Donkey Kong a drum. Donkey Kong. Oh, jeepers. Hey, there's a drum roll. There it is. All right. He has not seen this yet. So no, no, I have not. All right. Well, we got to put Eric on the big screen. He's got to be able to show everyone. That was a great drum roll. I love it. All right. I'm glad I'm winning the betting special, bud. Nice. Oh, nice. Full engraved. Yeah. Show it off to the crowd. Ah, look at that. An actual trophy. He won the Game Awards. But he's like, go to you. Yeah, you can go to me. My camera's way better. Try to get the text in there. Take a picture and throw it on Twitter. Yeah, I probably will. It says betting special awards winner. The Game Awards, 2022. Eric Moore, he's the first person with an engraving on a trophy. So we'll see you happen. The next betting special is probably not till E3. So it's going to be wise going to be a trophy holder. If I shave my eyebrows. Mike, like a trophy with two eyebrows like that. It's like, like, yeah. Well, you shave your eyebrows off. You ship the hair to us. We'll paste it to a trophy. Oh, wait, if I win, I have to shave my eyebrows. But but I don't make any bet that makes my fiancee mad at me. She already doesn't like when I do the the bomb hot sauce because she saw me do it during prime Game Fest multiple times and she was scared for my life. Don't forget our bet. We have a bet now. Oh, I'm I'm aware. I'm not worried about that. But like, I just told you that people are on here to the polar plunge for fun. Yeah. So like, I spoke a challenge. I mean, it's it I don't really want to do it. But I'll do it. Yeah. For those who don't know, the bet is that within two years of Metroid Prime Four's release will sell at least five million copies. I say, yes, he said no. Whoever loses has some poor ice water on their naked body. I mean, what? I mean, shirtless. There will be at least on that now. I can't go live on YouTube. No, never be evidence. No, never be evidence. Right. That's hilarious. Man, is that what we're talking about? Shrinkage. So you think two years, Metroid Prime Four doesn't sell five million copies? Not one year, but two years. It doesn't think that's going to help as a better seller than no. No, no, no, no, no. I didn't say Metroid Dreads a better seller. I just said Metroid Prime Four is not going to sell five million. I think it could sell less than Metroid Dread. But I'm not saying that it will, but less than five million, two years. Absolutely. I know my logic. It still hasn't been up for two years yet. I have a very, I have a very good logical reason for this. Because. Go ahead. Because it's got a four in the name. So people think they got to play the prior ones to play this one, which is why we need the prime games to come out first on the. I understand that. I also don't think the Prime Trilogy is going to sell that well either. So they're going to be on Nintendo online. We didn't make a bet on that one. And we because we don't even know if the trilogy or a single game started about something that's not even announced. At least Prime Four has been announced. So I am a proponent of them treating it like 2D Metroid, where they have the trailer. They will say, oh, this is Metroid Prime Four. But then the actual name is something they're all I'm saying is sometime in the next five years, there will be a bathtub stream of I just restart dumping ice on himself. It's just going to happen. It's going to happen three years. Then again, you know what? He lives around in Florida. He doesn't need to be in a bathtub. You know, if I do it, I'm going to have to wait to the middle of winter and I'll double up the challenge of the polar punch combined with ice. I can jump. I'm going to do it all at once freezing lake and then dump an ice bucket over there. There you go. I mean, I'm cool. I'm cool. You ain't done yet. What's going to be great, though, is what's actually going to happen is that Prime Four is going to come out holiday 2024. And by, I'll say March 2025, it'll be looking like it's selling like curbing the forgotten land. It'll already have passed by. You don't know if I'm worried because when it comes out and if it starts exploding in sales out the gate, you know, I'm worried, guys, because I'm going to start hitting the gym hard, because I have told myself, I'll never take my shirt off like no stream tonight. Got to go to the gym. I literally I will. I got two years after the game comes out to get in the best shape in my life. So it's good for now, two years. I'm hoping I'm hoping to have two years two years from the launch of Metroid Prime Four. So that's not even from now. But what if they announced it at an investor's meeting? I'm I'm so confident when I'm done with the shrimp. I'm going to eat some tacos. I'm just that confident. I'm not even worried about tacos. That's exciting. Maybe I'll go to talk about anyway. Let me let me make something out to you, though. You I have two years. You don't because if Prime Four sells like hotcakes immediately, that's what I said. Did you not hear what I said? You know, I'm worried if it starts selling like hotcakes. I'm immediately starving myself and going to the gym. But here's the other thing, though. You it could be it could even conceivably. It could be less than a year. What if Mike is right? They just can the prime games. They go straight to Prime Four. It's actually ready. And it's one of those things where it's a very quick announcement to release timing. So think about this. Xenia Chronicles 3 announced in the February Direct. What did it when did it come out in July? Like what? Like that's an Xenia Chronicles 3. You know, I mean, probably not going to sell as much as Prime Four. I don't know if there's a debate there. But point is there are major games that sometimes are announced and released within half a year. I know. So. It's possible to convince me to work out now because he thinks he's going to win. I really could be announced in just like seven weeks from now or something early February. And it comes out like in July and then it sells like five million before the end of the year. Here's the key. Well, we'll gobble that up. I'm not worried about it in the best shape of your life. No, I'm not. Two years came when I was going to prevent anything from us like selling. It's trying to become be one of those people who gets a gym membership in January as a part of their New Year's resolution. I would not get a membership. I will sell you my gym set. It's still in the box in the garage. My Julia would like me to get a ring fit adventure bundled in. I was going to say it's if you start seeing a bunch of ring fit adventure streams on Nate's channel, you know, he's. No, no, no, no, no. If you're friends with me on my switch and you start seeing the hours in Ringfoot, right? Yeah. Yeah, do one approach. Just start a ring fit adventure live stream second channel and then just stream all the time. You know, yeah. Watch that man stream. I just want to get in shape. How far he is. Take a shirt off. I agree. Tacos are better outside of Taco Bell, but it is mid past midnight for me. I have no idea what else is open near me. But I got food trucks around you. That's where you need to go. Oh, there you go. There is a Colombian food truck that's really awesome, but it's not tacos. That's Colombian food. And it's OK. Oh, yeah. Although HMP apparently lives in my area. So maybe I should ask him. Maybe he knows all the spots where I can get some dark berry pepper again. I don't make it anymore. Stuff with bomb. It's like 25 bucks a case now. It's ridiculous. Anyways, all right. Well, I think that's going to get a wrap of the show. So let's go around and start with Mike, since he's already on the big screen over there. Mike, what do you do work and they find you? And you were teasing the upcoming content or anything else? All right. So you can find me at Mike Odyssey on YouTube, Mike Odyssey, YT on Twitter, Mike Odyssey, YT on Instagram. I have a TikTok. I don't really pay attention to that thing. Also, Mike Odyssey, YT. Right now, what do I have going on? I still have the 20K milestone going on with two Nintendo switches. The two OLEDs, one is Platoon Edition. One is Pokemon Edition. I picked them up both just for that. So I got them. I got that giveaway going on. And that's about it. Tomorrow, I'll probably do another rap video. Another rap video on the Switch Pro coming out. The rap. You say rap? Rap. Rants. Oh, I do have a rap video, a rap song. You guys want to take it? The DK rap. Is it a rap song for Switch 2? You just go on. No, it's actually the Mike Odyssey official rap song. Sure. Let's debut. Let's go. Yo, yo. Welcome to Mike Odyssey. Everybody come follow me. Hit the like, subscribe. Let's have a good time. I got what you want to see. Welcome to Mike Odyssey. We're going in. No more waste, no time. Sit back, we climb this way, you want me. Take your time to see. We can build a new world like mine. Crap, Steve, new video. I'll be back in five minutes. Make sure to stop by anytime I stream. I like to dream. Keep your aspire. Look to the future and see what you find. Let's shout it together. One leap at a time. It's your time to shine. So we'll decide. Mike Odyssey. You gotta get this anime in, man. Blow up. To Mike Odyssey. Hit the like, subscribe. Let's have a good time. I got what you want to see. Welcome to Mike Odyssey. We're going in on time. Sit back, we climb this way, you want me. Be careful. That was a whole set up for Mike Odyssey to claim the stream for copyright. No. No. I didn't know all around the neighborhood. My god, you're taking all of them on your way tonight. It's impossible because it's not even up anywhere yet. So I don't have it on anything this special. Well, you make time to do anything. You don't like to keep checking. I don't care. Yeah, you don't check anything. You make claims. How? They claim it once it's in the system. Like for example, I use tune cord to distribute music. Then tune cord claims music on my behalf. It's nowhere. It's just. It's a song like a month ago. Well, congrats on earning the monetization for tonight, Mike. Congrats. Congrats. This might be the most watched episode of all time and you just took all my money. Thanks. All right, we got going on where can they find you got the upcoming content you want to use? Yeah, actually. So I actually misspelled my name because I was going to rush to get into this app that I had not seen before. I saw that. I was like, hmm. I was like, Andre restart. I mean, it's fine. Andre is OK. But I was like, it's easy to fix. It's easy to fix. Yeah. And I realized at first I thought you put the name like, oh, it's OK. It's not a big deal. But I was like, wait a second. No, I can. I could have changed it. I could have changed it for you. But I fixed it later on. So my name is Andre's and my YouTube name is Andre's restart. So if you type that name in Andre's restart, you will find me. Just Google. I'll be right there. I make YouTube content. Like most people here. And I talk about pretty much only Nintendo, highly speculative stuff. So yeah, check me out there. You can find me on Twitter and other places too. But YouTube is where I'm mostly active in terms of like projects. So I have a Metroid video tomorrow, especially after Nate talks so much about how there's not Metroid happening. I'm going to make an argument as to why there is Metroid happening next year. So that's coming out tomorrow probably. I'm going to shout out for the inspiration. Sure. I'll give you a shout out if you want to. That's fine. And then another thing. Because the shout out makes me look bad. So that's OK. I'm good. There was a little bit of contentiousness, but I actually think it's good that we had debate. Like, debate is healthy. But another project I do want to tease, especially now, because thank you, Summer Nation, for telling me how I can get, I can download Twilight Princess HD. I'm playing through both Wind Waker and Twilight Princess. And I'm not sure if it's going to happen this Monday or the next Monday, but I'm going to do a special versus discussion where I debate which game is better, Twilight Princess or Wind Waker. So that's coming too. Nice. Nice. Different timelines. Nice. Multiverse. Multiverse is coming together. They are different timelines. Yes. Yes. Child and adult. See, I'm learning. I'm learning. I'm studying. I got that wiki book. Oh, my gosh. What he's not telling you is he gets all this information off a Ouija board. Summer Nation. What are you going on? Where could they find you? Yep. Summer Nation on YouTube and then everything else out there. Twitter, Instagram. But I'm really only active on Twitter besides YouTube. So if you want to interact with me and talk to me, Facebook is out there, but I don't look at it much. Six Nintendo focused gaming news content videos per week. Sometimes it's news story. Sometimes it's speculation based off what happened in the week. Just a lot of fun getting your guys' opinions and sharing my opinions. That's the entire concept and, you know, enjoying all playing games, making me jealous. No, well, that that's a lot of fun for me, but it's also very hard because whenever you talk about multitasking, my brain is hard to talk and play games. Yeah. I mean, I watched the video just to see that. Like this guy is watching and talking and he's like, focus on the conversation. Here he is talking about GoldenEye coming to Switch and playing GoldenEye. And he's just dominating. I mean, I don't know what's happening. I had a ton of fun playing Donkey Kong Country 2 talking about the possibility of Donkey Kong returning. That's a lot. Like that. Those are actually some of the funnest videos for me. But yeah, I just, yeah, whatever's going on in the Nintendo world. We talk about it six days a week on the channel. Nothing super special as far as a project right now. I intend to livestream more both on my main channel and second channel now and as well as starting to create shorts content. But that's like based off schedule timeline thing. That's kind of going to be depending either the next three, six or 12 months. So anyway, I'll have some extra stuff cooking down the line, but feel free to check me out on YouTube, Sunbrownation, and then Twitter would be the secondary social media platform I'd recommend following on. Any plans to be on the Nintendo Prime podcast? Six fact more often. Absolutely. I had a blast with you guys tonight. Honestly, it was a great time. It was a new concept. Yeah. I want to just give a hand. This many people, a lot of ideas went around. A lot of like, you know, either we multiple people saw the same side of the coin or we saw opposing sides of the coin. Like it was actually really, I mean, it was a lot of fun to hear all the different perspectives. So yeah, I'm all for it. So I'll definitely I'll be here as much as I can and hopefully more of a regular going forward. So that'd be nice. Eric, where can they find you? I have Twitter. Do you know 8790? Yeah, 8790. And you can find them right here. That is another product, I guess. Or in some of our three coverage. Yeah, if it when it happens or in a 2024, Nintendo con. But hush, hush, hush, hush, hush, hush, hush, hush, hush, hush, hush, hush, hush. I'm coming from inside the house. Obviously, I'm on my own platform. So most of you guys know who I am. I'm Nate, Nintendo Prime, where you can catch me anywhere. If it's the first time you've ever heard or heard or saw the show because came over here because one of our guests or whatever. I make a bunch of videos on news. I do shorts on like neat little Nintendo facts and Easter eggs and stuff like that. I do discussion stuff. I do live streams and we have this weekly podcast, which as you can see with this experimental episode towards the end of the year, I'm trying to take the podcast to a different level, heading into the next year with more guests on more often, trying to keep it hopefully at six per week. But we'll we'll see. Schedules, schedules can be very difficult to try to get people on. I like having regulars, but, you know, schedules are always, always crazy that way to try to make that happen. So no pressure on anyone else here to show up next week. It's OK. But yeah, don't be surprised if I DM you so next week. Because to be fair, I don't know 10 people. So it'll be the first podcast of the year. So I took a big one. Well, I got to get some feedback from the fans and everything as well. I know there's been a lot of feedback in the chats and people really enjoying the show because I the one thing I've always wanted to do with this podcast is expanded and I've always been a little afraid to do it. And part of my fear was just managing it all. But I'm using a specific app called Mellon that has actually made this really simple. So I might steal it from you. It actually costs a little money, but it's not that expensive. About. Yeah. And if I'm doing this every week, it makes it makes so much sense. It's it's really nice. Like one of my favorite features and I didn't even know this until we were live is that I can do things like this. Yeah. Thanks, Bama Hut. Because yeah, I have the super chat like that. I didn't even know that I could do that until the stream started. And I was like, wait a second, I moused over a super chat and I can show it on the stream. Dude, this is it's really cool. It doesn't obviously it's not like the most flexible streaming thing ever. There's a lot more flexibility when you stream off it. But when you got a whole group coming together, I think this works really well. So now that I know this works well, because one thing like I was everyone knows about podcasts. I have a lot of people on it like like spawncast or something. I got no interest in throwing like nine, 10 people on a podcast. That's to me is just I feel like it's a little bit too much to get a good dynamic. I felt like six was sort of the limit. Yeah. If we went a little more than that, it'd be totally experimental. But I thought it's the limit. I'll say that, you know, I think six in a lot of cases could be too much. But I think we just happen to have pretty good chemistry. Well, the dynamic. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I know some of you guys didn't really even know HMK, but I already knew he'd fit right in. I wasn't worried about it. But I've also I've worked with him for many, many years. So and I'm not I may not be an expert, but at least I can be the comic relief. You know, every every group has like that. OK. Talking is isn't just looking at my face every week, the comic relief. That's what that's why I built my whole career is just being the comic. I'm just surprised you still have a camera that hasn't broken yet. No, there was there was 10 the second. This is the second to you. 10 get the memberships. Yeah. Yeah. Bama Hut. Oh, Bama Hut. That's why she was saying, thank you, Bama Hut. It didn't it didn't pop up for me. Well, I see it. Well, thank you, Bama Hut for the 10 gifted. I know Bama Hut hasn't been around for a while. I do appreciate it. And I appreciate the support of the show. Looking to grow it every week. And you know, it's kind of one of those things where we're all together and it's like a similar crowd every week. We all kind of tend to grow together, too. So let's let's let's drive let's drive each other's content forward. I do want to thank everyone for taking time out of the day. Obviously, I want to make sure we shout out HMK as well, who'll be in here. You guys can check him out. HMA HMK Killa on social media platforms like Twitch and Twitter. It's HMK on YouTube. He does a lot of theory videos on Zelda. And he does. Gosh, it would just be Elden Rings. He does a lot of game live streams as well. Kingdom Hearts as well. It's another one and there's Kingdom Hearts 4 coming out. So if you're looking forward to that, maybe we'll check him out for that. Yeah, he's an awesome. He's actually technically the biggest channel we had on today. But he never will. He'll never act that way. He doesn't care. He's just he's just one of the guys. So thank you guys all for taking time out of your day. And thank you all for watching and the audio version will be up. We got one last super chat to get in here from Taker 610. He said chemistry is so important live. You guys have it. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it, man. Appreciate it. It's hard to find a group of people that can work this well. So I I highly appreciate it. Yeah. You can check our audio version of other way everywhere. Audio podcasts are heard even like I heard radio now. We're now on that app as well. So to put a heart on that radio. All right. Catch you guys on this podcast next week. Otherwise in a video tomorrow later. Thanks to everyone. Thank you.