 Welcome to Toffy TV, it is that time again, it is time for the major side, Darby, and it is the opposition preview. I'm honoured to say Paul Mason is with us, the star of Wagatha Christie on Disney Plus. Who knew? Unbelievable. People thought it might have been Colleen or Rebecca Vardy, but no, apparently it's me because of me agreeing to something a long time ago before. I knew it was a very real thing, but there you go. I won't say any more, you just have to go and watch it, that's the teaser. Who's setting up the teaser? Anyone needs another reason not to watch that. The thing about it is we know that story, but we don't know what your part of it is, and I think that's set it up nicely. Also you can also find them in the David Beckham documentary. That's all I really want to hear. When you're here meeting in the posh base, but a song at Hanfield, when he came off the France 98, he was probably in it there somewhere. So it is the main side, Darby, how are you feeling? You know what? Weird, not feeling, I've said to Baz before, I've not thought loads about it yet, I think he's come back off the back of an international break, weird because I haven't really tuned back into it, but it's such a weird position to be in because we're on a real, I've got this England that Liverpool are quite good. Yeah they are quite good. And I think we can have a really good season, but you're never more than, we had this last year where we had loads of full stones and we thought alright, it's fine now, we're going to kick on now. We've been better than we were up to this point last year, but I still have a little bit of lingering fear that it only takes one like mad results and all of a sudden all the shit comes out of the game basically. Are you surprised how consistent you've been pretty much this season? You have five wins in a row in the Premier League before the Tottenham game. Are you surprised by that with everything that went on in the summer with basically reshaping the entire midfield? You know what I shouldn't have been, but yeah, really I should have just trusted me gut on it, but there was so much noise and it didn't really exist in, it does exist in the real world of course it does, but it definitely exists predominantly in a lot of how people talk about things online, you know what it's like with transfer windows, it starts off fun and then it just becomes stressy, you know, and the people, because it's the why haven't things been done and why aren't they being done in a certain order and why haven't this, but you know it's the lack of knowledge that people fill in gaps with either, predominantly like it must be in a terrible state of position. So there's that and there's a point where it just looks like Liverpool going to mess and that's coming off the back of having been such a well run organisation for ages from every in top to bottom really and then that last season was so hard to kind of wrap our heads around why it went so bad and then you then go, well you've pinned everything on, it needs to be this rebuild and it seems to be taking a longer time than we all kind of expected and there were loads of expectations placed on how quickly that was all going to get done so then just to buy players and then them be good, it was like oh, right, and then you know, we still got your end card, you know, I don't know, there was a little fear that it had all come undone and that was the end. Do you think in a way what it was was like you deviate from the plan because obviously you went for Bellingham and for a long time you thought you were going to get him and then it felt like because you didn't get him, there's obviously everyone feels like it's a failure and then everyone below him feels like the knowledge good is him where maybe if you'd started going for these really good plays that you got anyway as your main target, everyone would feel more positive about the situation. I never gave it that thought to talk because I think it was perception of the Bellingham stuff because the wrong perception of it was Liverpool can't afford, due to Bellingham where the real story was they got not in from him to say that he was going to join Liverpool and it's interesting because we ended up in the exact situation they avoided with Bellingham with Caesado where they were like he probably wants to join Real Madrid, he's not guaranteeing that he's going to sign for us if we match any of this stuff so there's no point in us getting drawn into a bid more into Real Madrid that we think we're going to lose and then ultimately they end up losing a very similar battle with Caesado, with Chelsea. So it never bothered me because I was like well if he was desperate to play for Liverpool he'd have found a way to make it work and the second I knew that was the case, well you move on don't you? The thing we had was of course it was just a lot of pressure on, increasing our pressure on Liverpool's owners and then based on this idea as well of to compete with Man City you've got to get everything right and you've got to be smart and you've got to have a clever idea and then trying to rebuild that is there a lower diminishing returns and can you ever get back to that? So when you started to see what we were doing and losing Fabinho and losing Henderson and then all of a sudden they had no plan in place for the defence of the field that was going to be good enough to replace them straight off the bat that felt like that feels like mismanagement. Whereas in reality again it was just them flying by the seat of the pants and trying to make something work so it all fed into it an overly negative take I think on where we were that seems to have been rectified by how well we've played so far. But those bids you've got for Henderson and Fabinho there's no way you could ever turn them down. I'm really surprised someone at Liverpool didn't go we've got to take the salamone to be fair. Obviously you couldn't because he's an amazing footballer but those kind of things create turmoil but you can't earn that kind of money. Yeah, but there's also where Liverpool had been best in class in the transfer market for a number of years was there's times when you do, there's a value to hold on to stand and firm. We did this with Catilia when Barcelona went right we've turned his head so you know what that means and they went that means you can basically swivel Barcelona and they went no no no, we've turned his head. You don't understand what that means to Barcelona. He doesn't want to play for you anymore. Just let them sign him and we're like no because if we start being bullied in the latter days of transfer windows by clubs it tells football that we're at a tier below. So you say you can be strong armed into certain situations where it actually protects your what you're trying to do by saying no sometimes and this is the salating Buddha for being your stuff. That was what was really interesting is the clear value for Fabinho and so they met it and they met yep sound to go get that sorted which I was a little taken aback by. I was a bit, I was probably most surprised anyone wanted Tenderson and not because I thought he was a brilliant player by the way but I don't think, I think even he was a bit surprised that the salting when he was coming calling for him that's not what was meant to happen but it left Liverpool with a hole to fill and I actually don't think they filled it to be honest but we're managing to get by at the moment and either endo's going to come good and he'll be alright for the rest of the season or buy someone else in January and then we'll begin that process again but yeah that's the one sort of question mark over how we're sort of set up at the minute. So as I said you won five in a row and I think you know some look sailing like the Newcastle game I think that was a massive sign of what Liverpool have been about under Jürgen Klopp you know being one nailed down having a play sent off and then to get two goals from a striker that people have often laughed about even though he is incredibly he's an incredible striker but he's also incredibly as to use your way to fun to watch cos he's just so random at times but he does amazing things but I think that run showed very much where Liverpool seem to be and where they have been a lot of time under Jürgen Klopp just that identity of where not beating someone and there was a bit of a rebirth that there was two games that feel like they've kind of brought back the love of what we're doing and buying we've spoken about this a lot about managers and how you've just got to see something in front of you that you can hang your hat on and you can go okay I get what you're trying to do here or something recognisable that you can see and for us it's about trying to recognise signs that will take us back to where we've been and there was two there was the Newcastle game which felt like we can do this it's fighting against the odds and somehow finding a way to win it seems like all the odds are stacked against you which weirdly made the spares thing more annoying in its own way because a draw would have felt fed into that too and we played last away in the Europa League and there was just something to go on a European trip where you're expected to win but it was just there was a new place to go it was a great atmosphere it was a really friendly atmosphere in the same way and it was like you're up for fun again so it's not like you've got to win every game and to do or die and the Premier League we've actually got some depth of character in that team and that feels like we've been reborn a bit early to say because we'll see as the season goes but I certainly feel both into what you're doing the Europa League is that it's the equivalent of going to a football match at the same time it's amazing you'd never go to those places it's got like very it gets grander than those places it's got a very jack-ass spin-off series vibe just the Europa League where everyone goes off and does their own mad series there's the Wild Boys over doing whatever thing I've enjoyed it so far and I said that at the time we've got a modern affliction we've got those atrocities I've handled plenty of your Europa League but the difference when you watch it on telly it's crap but actually when you get to go and you get to go and see these mad little stages in cities and towns all over Europe then yeah I definitely miss it of course I definitely miss Europa League I've had some great times miss those trips to Leon Leon on the train now all the way there it was amazing going to Wolfsburg which has in effect a factory for Volkswagen people to live in it was amazing I loved all that I mean obviously you had the spares, the barker which you touched on there and you've had Brighton since which have just stopped your pace but I suppose for you all you're really worried about is the gap between you and Man City doesn't really matter about anyone else at this stage it's about them not getting away is that the main thing at the moment that you're only a point behind them yeah it's funny because you and I have had many conversations over the years and you remember my general opinion on spares is that I don't have one they're just a football club they're not to be particularly hated or loved or whatever they're just a football club that floats around the top half of the Premier League so when I see that they're top I'm not asked because listen if they're top with three games to go I would be asked I'd be a bit annoyed that we're not there but you're right I've done this a few times over recent years and got in trouble for it I remember Leicester being top very briefly around the Christmas period and I did a video and said we're three points behind top and actually you're four points behind Leicester we're three points behind City it was those kind of environments where if you finish above City you're probably in the league so all the football I've got to do for now because it's just staying contention and that's where we are to have it be within three points in the top four just stick around there get a Christmas around there and if we can do that then if you can put the afterburners on post after that then that'll be great but yeah I was worried that with the space and then followed by Brighton there'd be a world where you're like oh god this is all just crumbling down because you know what it's like that fight for fourth you start to recognise I don't know what that's like you want it to happen for both fan as well it's very recognisable because teams you fight for fourth don't put down run the games and they start to drop points in stupid ways and it becomes over only three points over only six points and then it's 15 points coming at the end of the season so what have you made of Everton then because from where we sit every day is a different experience being an Everton fan at the moment and it has been like that for essentially two years so what have you made first of all of everything you've heard and seen off the pitch so far I am still enjoying the weekly monthly updates on what's wrong with the stadium there's nothing wrong with the stadium that's what's amazing from the point that's going to open and it's going to be fine and there's going to be a lot of lads who are spreading a lot of nonsense in what's up groups I got one said there was something wrong with the sand and concrete used under the pitch so the pitch is wonky apparently there's no pitch there but whatever it's funny but that's where we live but then we're getting it back now because there was ones about how Danny Rowe then wasn't going to be open at all for the derby because of dodgy concrete and it's like what goes around comes around it was interesting talking to Baz over on our channel to be honest because I've heard the names of a couple of lads you brought in particularly Beto and Chimity I had no idea who these guys were so it was interesting to find a little bit more about them I know Dan Doom I think he's a good player but Baz didn't seem totally thrilled with how well he'd settled I thought without a shadow of adult news this would be the season you were just going to get relegated and because and this was in the summer when I'd seen how the last two seasons had gone and then looked and gone well you've now seemingly tied to a manager that you don't really love you've got less good players and this is at the point where you the only sign that's the young by the way and you sign a 38 year old lads who to play fullback who in my opinion was never waterfall back I don't know how he ended up in that it's just changed building what you're talking about yeah I know you know well James well yeah James Mill there was breaking assist records in the Champions League while he was like slumming it and so on he's but then you've gone and bought strikers and that's been for me obviously you've had some crap defenders but like the biggest miss is when Dominic Havelin is not doing what he is doing and at least you've bought a lads who look you know from a distance like they fit the silhouette of whatever the forward needs to look like so in equal measures not surprise that you're down the bottom but a little surprise that you're not actually from what I've seen that you're not further up the table if that makes sense we should have more points but then that's great and because you can use all the excuses you want but you've still played those games and you've still lost those games and I do understand the whole thing but it's still a game you've already played and it's still a game you've played against the team that you think you should be it's only actually it's only useful if eventually it evens itself out and then you start getting the goals that you should be getting and that's fine I mean it's one of the things he said last season at Dortmund everyone nailed it oh yeah he lost it but the underlying numbers that season it was just that for whatever reason sometimes players don't score goals and don't bounce for you you need that to turn but if you've got those there's no reason why theoretically it won't turn if you keep posting those numbers I think a lot of us feel like that but it's still a disappointment there's two ways to look at it we've played poorer sides so therefore that gives us a good grounding to go into the next stage but then and you think right we're playing better sides now but we've got a team now that looks ready and everyone's nearly fit but it's still a thing of like but we still played Luton and Fulham and Walls at home and Sheffield united the way and we didn't win any of them you at least gave Luton Town the best day of their lives a pub quiz question that will last for all at hand where was the first ever family win so that's something that's again an evident first we have so many of them that we felt like we needed to give another one to be honest I have no clue where we are going into this major side but I know our away form is a lot better than our home form we've done particularly well away but obviously Hanfield's not somewhere where we've done anything in front of fans certainly so I'm not particularly worried about this game it'll take care of itself it doesn't have me sweating at night it really doesn't but that was it for you because I feel like you've got everything to lose and that's it that's the point we've got more to lose because we've seen it with the Phil Jagie Elchord gold game where that was a moment to be celebrated you know what I mean but it felt like a huge everton win the games have been a little closer at times than I think I would have liked and I've said this for years I grew up in the 90s when we couldn't buy a win in a match at Derby for a few years all my formative years in school and all my mates being blues used to just hound me constantly so I can remember what it's like to lose Derby's on the weeks that followed I don't want to go back to that but I'm also aware that eventually just a lot of averages suggest that it'll kind of happen I mean hopefully that the COVID game was the one I've put machine pays out 25% and people think it's like just get that out the way and then you're covered for how many more losses that followed down the way I said to you we need a win because we need to be able to put the last drop point to bed and crack home with the business of being in the top 4 and constructing a season if we were to drop another drop some more points we're having to talk about XG and positives and what's going on we just got this go for us but ultimately they just come across as bleating excuses whereas in reality you just need the points on the board so yeah the fear exists but I'm interested to see how we approach it because Jegen's taken this approach of years of putting out teams that not playing it as a Derby I'm playing it as a team that's in the bottom half of the Premier League and going well I'm not putting me big guns out because you're not an apple and you're not Real Madrid and you're not whatever you know like we would play certain teams and I think that's that's hindered you psychologically I think it's helped us as well I'm not sure he'll do that this time around I think he'll go as strong as he is you've made a difference with this one well you've got players coming back from international duty so you've got other South American players and you're coming back which didn't he say after the Wolves game you shouldn't have played McAllister in that one McAllister was a wreck in that game and he's just played 90 minutes I think for Argentina and that one new as I think scored in both games didn't he for Uruguay as well he's certainly got a golden assist against Brazil so you've got that but so we'll be interested don't have a quote unquote big game in the week do yourself well the thing is this is where we struggled a little bit post spares was against Brighton we had the front three was good enough to win a game of football and Diaz, Nunes and Salah but we've had options to bring on so we've had Gapo and Jonathan in reserve which just means you can go 60 flat out and then he's half an hour 40 minutes by to go and do to go flat out as well and we just didn't have that option that time around so where we might have been able to steal it in another another week prior to that we couldn't Gapo's back in training but he's obviously therefore not going to be sharp for that Diaz will be tired, Nunes will be tired and a lot of what we do is based on having the abilities to outscore at the moment so I think Liverpool might have to dig deeper than probably they'd like to in this game to be in the early start and whatever and this is going to fall out of their face it is what it is I know that the BT sport TNT sport people are just sat there praying that it's not drop points because they get so tired of getting a kick off for Liverpool being put on after home kick offs but yeah, that might undo us a little bit McAllister in particular might have to play and he's not quite up to speed he strikes me as one of those Liverpool players that makes himself a hero in a game like this he's got that thing about him you all obviously love him because he's not he's always coming in and doing a job and he seems like that kind of player I've just got a horrible feeling about him that he's going to make to be honest, I don't think people are a bit indifferent to him to be honest he's just a footballer but you're right, there's a laundry list of lads who just stick around the morning and make yourself an absolute cult Exactly it always seems to happen to me so who's the one for you guys then to watch out for who's been turned up in the Liverpool team this season I was hoping you said him because I don't know how to say his name there's two and I vary it's a bit like the Cout Kite thing from back in the day of Sabozlai or Sabozlai I settle on the latter most of the time he's amazing you buy a player and there's just no doubt for minute one he was a bit indifferent it was McAllister who was doing it really Sean Forrest in pre-season since the season started he hasn't got he's tall, he's fast, he's strong he can shoot with both feet he's creative he's prepared to stick, get stuck in and do the dirty work on the other way as well you get so used to buying footballers who are missing a little bit of something so there might be time yeah I equated to buying your first house where you can buy a house you buy your first house and if it's in a nice area it won't have a garden or if it's somewhere else you might get a garden but you'll only get two bedrooms you're always trading off something to get within your budget that's what happens when you buy most footballers to buy someone who's six foot plus with pace and technique they're like perfect footballers that's like the did-the-age-rog those sorts of archetypes Van Dyck's got that as well so it feels like one of them I mean he sounds good but he's not from Birkenhead his name's not James Garner so I mean there is that would have been a scale but there you go you've got to think about those two things that's the thing we're missing if we spend like 70 or 80 I think I've just educated you that James Garner's from Birkenhead that's a new one to me you wouldn't know that it's going to be a game it's going to be a game it's going to be interesting I think a lot of people are thinking it's going to be there'll be Liverpool fans always maybe don't understand what a Derby is or what it means certainly what it feels like a Derby is a tactile thing it's a real thing you've kind of got to experience for yourself because again if you're just watching through a screen you know it's a Derby you're told what it means but in reality you're looking at a team that's 16th in the league and a team that's fourth in the league and we should be able to imagine that Liverpool can win I don't think we've ever beaten a Sean Dice team by more than two goals I think I think the fact that there's a little fatigue there and from talking to Bazin in what you're saying better the way from Roman and not a bad counterattack inside in that regard there are all things that give Liverpool issues so I don't think I think Liverpool will win and I think that I do, I'd be stupid if I would do but I don't think it'll be a closer game First 20 minutes are going to be the dead key to the game because we are a team that we grow in confidence if we feel like the game plan is working and if we don't the players almost on the pitch decided this is more a home they basically go that's not work and let's just stop what we're doing I think away from home we do have a tendency to just go we know exactly what we're doing away from home and the core is really important in that as well so yeah it'll be interesting and as I said any kind of result will do me just to keep that momentum going we'll play West Ham next week so there's got a lot of tough games on the horizon for us so this is one where you're just like yeah it's the main side that you'd love to say oh they're even themselves out they don't even themselves out quality does normally rise you can't go round kicking hell out of each other anymore and that's it I asked Baz who was going to be the player who was going to pick up the silly double yellow red for you because there's always someone but you haven't seen to have that player anymore it's not like you haven't got Rod well or Barclay no there's no the only one I would not be uncomfortable with obviously we've got Jadab and Anthony playing at the back for us he's 21 you know they could be a game where he picks up an early yellow card and then someone winds him up later on and it's not by the way they're not malished yellow cards they're just normally slightly late for something or because he's a big gangly lad sometimes he looks awkward when he puts a tackle in that normally leads to a yellow card someone like him do you have anyone who's got that like silly malicious side Dan Duma could be one if he got on the pitch he could be someone who does something stupid that wants to raise his profile slightly to the crowd there's no one there who's going to buy into the old dogs of war if I don't feel like I've got to tackle because that's what's expected of me and Adabi no as I said the only reason why anyone would get a yellow or a red would be simply because they missed time tackles because they're not up to the page of the game because it might be the first experience of Adabi but we'll wait and see if you want to check out Paul's match preview with Baz it's 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