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There's some solid new features with the animation editor, bug fixes. So upgrade today. Who does it for the slides? Hello, we're back. So how is everyone doing today? We want to talk about like what are you guys been working on? What you been up to? All that good stuff. So yeah, I think it'd be kind of cool to start off like, let's see, who's like the furthest traveling via Zoom? What have we got? John, is that, is that where you are? Should we start with, should we start with you? Can we not start with me? I just want to think about what I'm going to say. Coming unprepared, really. You always forget about New Zealand. Why doesn't New Zealand always get further away? Yeah, New Zealand's further away. No, kind of sort of. Actually, no, maybe not. I'm a little bit closer to LA, I don't know. Anyway. If we're flying this way, I guess it depends on which way you would go. What is it? 17 hours from LA? Something like that? Yeah, something like that. Well, I'll go first while John prepares. Because the big news in our camp is we upgraded all our flames. All our Linux boxes went up to Rocky. And all our flames went to the latest 2023.3.1. And it was a big leap from us. I think we came from flame 2020. So we're just trying to, we kind of hit the floor running the new year. We all had jobs. So it wasn't much of an easing in situation. And, you know, it's gone remarkably well. We've got brand new operating systems, you know, coming from an old CentOS where my browser was really old and my Slack interface was really old. So yeah, I'm pretty pleased with that. I'm a little bit stumped with the animation editor at the moment. I don't have time to dive into it, but it's got a lot of, I'd say the biggest amount of changes are in the animation editor. And that's what kind of has thrown us a little bit. But that's all right. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm just saying I wasn't prepared for it. I think, you know, only watching, watching videos isn't necessarily the preparation, the best preparation. I think I should have probably had a week or so, just a bit of practice before I got put in front of clients. That's all right. They didn't know. So yeah. Isn't that how we usually learn through the fire? Yeah, exactly. Exactly right. Yeah. It's just, it's been a while since I felt that uncomfortable and unprepared. So the smugness drained out of my face as I was like, Oh my God, what's this? You know, trying to move stuff around. So yeah, it's been a distant feeling. It's good, good for the, you know, good for the soul to just have that occasionally. So that was that. That's all it works. Yeah. Does you have any pain points with the move to the different operating system? Or was it pretty seamless? Well, the biggest problem was out of our hands, but it was suddenly all our permissions were out of whack. I don't know why it's either. Clamp it or your permissions. That's, that's the, usually my two go to problems that. So yeah, mainly it was boring it kind of stuff that, that I couldn't delete stuff that I wrote. And all my open clips that I'd created last year were locked. So I couldn't actually append any of my open clips. I just had to clear them all out and start again. So I'm still, I'm still suffering a little bit from lingering permissions. We're going to try to try and see what's going on. Cause the other thing we all did was move to active directory, which is everyone signs into the flame as their own user. So whereas before I was like flexing my muscles as admin. You know, everywhere I went now, I'm just a, a lowly pleb. And yeah, I have way less permissions than I really probably should have. So that was the biggest thing, but everything, yeah, really smoothly or all our custom Python scripts all kind of came in and worked quite well. It could have been, it could have been a lot worse. We're running reasonably old Linux hardware. So we were a little bit nervous. You know, we've done as much testing as you can, but until you really roll it out, you never really, you never really sure. But yeah, now everyone's pretty pleased. Which is good. Cause it was my, I pushed, I pushed for the upgrade. So if it was terrible, I'd be the one on the firing line. You know, nice. That's good though. Hey, John, did you think of something? Yeah. Well, I kind of had the same sort of week kind of disorder. Yeah. What'd you got? I had a quiet week, last week work wise, but I thought get stuck into the IT side and archive and upgrades. There's minor upgrade I had to do during the week. What happened? Oh yeah. I had a permissions issue as well. You know, you always fall into one of those where the flame was just running really, really, really slow and it turned out to be, wasn't connecting to my NAS by 10 gig. I was connecting by one gig and I was trying to update some proxies that I needed to do a week for a job that's being revised next week. So I did this, then just prepping, just moving five terabytes of data off my system so I could get ready for a crazy, crazy February. I feel it's going to go crazy on me on February. I've got multiple people ringing me all on the same day and I'm going to try and pretend I can do it all and jungle it. And I know, I know these jobs that they could move around a bit, you know, and might be a couple of double shifts. But yeah, we'll get there. It's, what else? I don't know if I'm allowed to say what sort of jobs I'm doing. Oh, a couple of corporates. I've got 22 educational videos to pump out in three days. What are the, what are like the lengths of some of those? A lot of them are two minutes. Some of them are four minutes, I think, but I won't be cutting them. They're just going to hand me a bunch of EDLs, XMLs, and I'll just be grading them and finishing them, putting some servers and graphics and just polishing them up. What else will I be doing? I've got this other job actually, I'm going to ask the group later when it happens. I'm going to take a brief on it next week. I got to do this job where some talent in the studio and they want to project images on their faces. And we're not sure whether we're going to get projectors and project images in the shoot. I'm saying no, because I won't have any control of the images that are going to hit the faces and the exposures and all that jazz. So just trying to work out how we go about doing that sort of thing. And there's going to be like close-ups, camera moves around people in a studio, just standing in a studio, staring into nowhere. And images are just going to be changing on their faces and images are going to be hitting the wall on the back of them in the studio on the site and all that sort of stuff. So chroma key number. Yeah. When I think of that, I think of David crates and all the exciting installation projector work that you've done. Yeah, that's true. That's a segue over to David. Yeah, right. Thank you guys for doing that for me. That sounds like a little bit of a nightmare, John. It sounds like you got your work cut out for you for sure. Yeah. As far as projecting stuff here, I've been kind of working on the end of the Gandhi Museum stuff that I was working on before this. The theater is what we've just finished up, which is really cool. The projection surface is scrims. There's a center scrims panel and then two that are flanking that kind of angle out towards you. And they're on different depths. And then there's these rods that come down that are, this is for Mahatma Gandhi and his parts, philosophy is all of what he did with the spinning wheel, the chakra back in the day. That's how the Indian independence movement kind of developed the power of all of this stuff against the British colonizers at the time. So anyway, these poles come down. I mean, if I could share the screen, I'm not sure what it is, but it's a, they're rods that are made to look like these threads. And we're projecting on those as well. So it breaks up the image in really interesting way it comes across that kind of thing. So obviously like text and that kind of thing, it's certain sizes don't work really big, huge text that goes across the entire thing works well. But it's really fascinating what happens with some of the blow through and also the things coming across this entire thing because of all the different depths and the way that the scrims let light blow through the back surfaces. It really creates a really interesting kind of just a very, very three-dimensional thing out of a two-dimensional image coming at it. So getting done with that, going to have to go on site to tune it in and those, I think I showed it earlier on those other sculpture things that we're doing, which are on those long, tall, like 17-foot tall, semi-circular fabric pieces. And so those are all done too. So I'll go on site and tweak all that in. I think I'm not going to go until makes. We're doing all the installation of all the place for it. We're building walls, all the exhibitories, the company I work for builds all of that stuff as well, you know, so it, which is great because we built the thing full scale here and I was able to edit, actually edit on the final screen and everything. So I'll go on site and I have very little tweaking to do whereas if it'd been traditionally going on site, it takes a lot more time having to tune everything. This way it's just going to be like small tweaks of things, you know, when I get there. So that's what I'm doing. I'm glad that you're in our community because it's such a, I have to, I would insist that it's so different from what everything else, everyone else is doing because I'm doing some commercial stuff that's like, you know, I had a really long project. It was two months, but yours is like years. Yeah. So sometimes they do. I mean, we've worked on this one for six months, you know, something like that. And it'll be done now moving on to some other things until the installation comes. But I did have a meltdown, no a flame meltdown this related all this. If I wasn't so anal about data and everything, I'd really be probably in some trouble. I have the main theater piece I'm talking about. I did, I've got my main flame and yet in another room, but we set this up. And so I had an iMac pro that I used that was running as a separate flame to do this theater piece on. And I run two SSDs. One is the flame frame store and one is a source thing. So they, it gives me nice facets interact. It works great. Well, I archived everything before Christmas because we all left everything came up. It's a really good idea. I took those drives and was doing some work on my laptop and different frame, didn't use the same folders or anything that's kept it all separate. It was doing some work in flames. So it back hooked them back up because I was going to go back to work in there. And it, when I opened the theater, it sat on volume, initializing volume, looking at the, for like 30 seconds when it usually goes about four or five seconds when it came up. All the stuff was on the frame store, flame saw, but it lost the links to everything that was on the source drive. So, you know, my whole, most of my sequence was all checkerboard, you know, and everything else. It's like how it would, nothing changed about it. I mean, it's literally just two different times, you know, opening the, opening the same project, you know, and with the same drives, literally. So it was, you know, I can say, fortunately I had it, I had an archive and already checked the archive and opened up on my laptop. It's my laptop. So I'm going to take the Houston to do the final work. So I mean, I had already kind of started moving things. So I didn't freak out. I mean, I would have had it back. Well, were the paths all the same in, when you all clicked on the clips? Is it the same? Yeah. Oh yeah. The same drives. I mean, it said click on the clip. Similar situation where all of, you know, you might have just gone through a reboot of the machine and then you go into that project and then everything's unlinked and you think what's going on here. You know, it's the same project. And what I found, believe it or not, was you go into security and privacy and one of those items in there gets itself unticked. The IFFS. I'll look, I'll look because it shouldn't have you because I've done nothing with system software. Magicly just unticks itself. That's happened to me too. That's good to know. Yeah. That's awesome. That's awesome, John. I hope that's the case because that could be nice to be able to have that. Turn that back on and then everything relinks again because it just loses its ability to get full permission to that drive. That's that. I'll check it out tomorrow. I mean, thanks for the tip. Okay. I hope we solved all your problems. That would be amazing. Keep us in the loop. Let us know. That didn't close to all my problems. I want to tell you, it says solve all your problems with just a tick box. Yeah. Yeah, if only. Andy. Yeah, I just noticed that. Oh, what's going on here? So Michael Landon, how are you doing? Hello there. I haven't talked to you in a while. How are you? What's going on with you? Yeah, it's been a bit, huh? Yeah. Yeah. I went to Atlanta, I came back and said, what's going on? I know we miss each other by that much. We did. I think by a week, something like that. What's going on with you, man? What are you working on? Other than the usual, you know, car commercials and, you know, fried food fast food commercials. I just finished up a bunch of. Spots for mail chimp that was supposed to be, you know, just simple rebuild, do some, do some new screen comps and ended up, you know, they were complete re-edits where, you know, they didn't factor in the fact we had to, you know, do all, redo all the cleanup work and everything. And the, the, the screen comps were these crazy moves with a, with, with really bad reflections. So like mocha wouldn't track it, planar tracker wouldn't track it, nothing would track it. And then finally, I, I, I have the, the biggest love for perspective grids with, with four point tracking and the perspective. So you can, so you can manually do it in us. That was the only way I can make it work. Oh wow. There's, um, I've been talking to Mark LaRue and, um, there was actually a podcast just done with him that glended, but he talks about how he's doing like 3d shapes tracking. So he's like, Hey, it's cool. He's like, You know, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just knew that, I just knew that this whole process, he started to explain it to me. My brain kind of blew up a little bit. And I was like, we're going to save this for a logic live. Yeah. So I mean, maybe there's some things that might be able to help you up from there. Like, some tips and tricks, but or maybe just get him a couple of work. It just took forever. Yeah. All of your go-tos just don't work. I'll just crank down to, could you be, uh, you know, make it black and white and make it really crispy. stupid reflection that went right through the screen or they were they were they were panning in such a way where you couldn't or they couldn't lock on it was then I was like wait a minute I can do I can do point tracking in the uh in the perspective grid and I can see all the little lines on the perspective grid so I can make it that you can take and do tweaks that worked out great oh good yeah yeah I only took like you know 10 hours to figure it out but you know yeah what's time right we don't need time that's really the big one now we're a little slow but I think we're gonna be ramping up on this other hospital thing that they're they want to do these weird projections and they don't want to do it the way I recommend them doing it but they still want me to go down and do a supervision on it so I think they just want someone as a scapegoat when it doesn't work it's gonna be fun he's got a thumbs up from Annie Milk is over there which just joined and Nick Smith joined as well that's awesome hey guys hey Nick let's hear who can I oh Wayne Shepard how are you doing what's going on how are you so where are you from actually I'm in redondo beach la nice nice not too far away I like it what have you been working on lately uh I've had a mb working for me who I know you know oh she's amazing oh that's right yes okay she's told me about that that's great yeah we just wrapped a hbo show called the white house plumbers which we've been working on for over a year my wife is in that show right she told me about that yes she's an extra in like a tennis country club scene and so when mb said that there would shouldn't have to any retouch to any of the tennis playing extras at the country club scene then chef's kiss yeah we ended up doing just over 360 shots it's a five episode many series and literally just delivered the last shot last week so now I've been archiving and I managed to buy a new max studio so I'm getting that all set up and and then we're on to another hbo show called the righteous gemstones so I was hoping to have a break in between the two but it's not looking that way nope that's a great show yeah and you're doing you're doing all that work in uh in flame or is it a nuke as well uh we're we're strictly flame um but you know I don't do shows actually we were the lead on uh white house plumbers um for all the 2d stuff we don't jump into a little bit of 3d stuff um but I tend to kind of stay away from that stuff but so we're doing a lot of you know monitor cops a lot of reflection cleanups a lot a lot of cleanup type stuff um white house plumbers had an unusual amount of split screens for dialogue and action and their editors were crazy with the retimes and the fluid morris and it was just unbelievable and unusually long shots to four five six hundred frames long um so that one was uh it's quite a challenge some of the split screens were insane how were you given those time warp metadata shots um if we were lucky they were actually noted on account sheet if we weren't lucky then you we just have to i match it um and they were pretty uniform um the editors they didn't do a lot of ramps so it was mostly a set speed um so there there there actually were a few ramps in there but they just didn't care about overlap so we were having to rebuild people and all kinds of stuff for some of these split screens that would just look real simple on a quick time but um once you got into it there was uh lots of overlap to deal with offline editors don't tend to notice shadows going across wrong places and stuff like that yeah yeah yeah yeah there was quite a few scenes where they were in the car the reflections on the hood of the car and you know you're trying to split them and uh yeah yeah that's still a great flame success story i think because a lot of the times at least from from what from my perspective from my vantage point there there's a big push for nuke to handle all that stuff and so here in flame successfully knocking out of the park for over 300 shots is music to my ears i might want to pick your brain about a few things are you are using shot grid to manage that stuff or or no no i just kind of have my own internal management system that i built years ago uh that's just built in numbers and i started out with my bid i kind of built it all in my bid and then i just bring that into production and and i usually keep you know the team's usually pretty small this has mostly been just mb and myself wow i think i had three other people that just did a shot here and there that's amazing so i ended up producing and doing as many shots as i can myself um yeah i guess when it's on target with your times i'm sorry were you on target with your times like when you bid a big shot uh you said one hour here four hours there six hours there were you know i yeah i kind of just finished doing my uh end of end of show breakdown and you know we were pretty close um it gets a little nervous at times especially when i'm hiring other people but um i think we did well this show it kept getting pushed it was originally supposed to come out mother's day this past year um and hbo kept pushing it and pushing it and we literally never had a locked cut never um so uh that got a little frustrating kind of going back and forth with oh we've extended these shots or yeah those two shots that you spent a week on those aren't even in the show anymore and um but bill is so it's like okay you know it's not always about the money yeah but at least it was like at least they still said bill us you know what i mean it wasn't just like right change orders on top of change orders and all that i guess there's some silver lining and they let me rebid throughout the show because you know i was saying look some of these split screens are just insane you know once you get into them and they were good about saying okay well send us a new number and we'll we'll work it in that's great it's good and you get to see the shot don't you when you're bidding it's not like a you're not just guessing it you know they say they're gonna give you a split screenshot can you quote on it you're like oh i don't know they show you you can see it right right and you know sometimes the editors have gone pretty far with it and sometimes they haven't so um you know like i said they were pretty good about if this looks different once i got the actual pieces to it um so uh yeah no overall i think the show went really well i hope the show's good it's been hard to tell without the dialogue and stuff if it's really good yeah i'm hoping it is i hope it didn't suffer from like uh that you know the fact that it kept getting delayed which meant they kept working on it noodling it noodling and sometimes that makes it better but sometimes that can also like make it worse yeah i was worried because that whole HBO takeover happened in the middle of this project and the project was in such a weird situation i was worried that it was going to get canned but i think they had invested so much in the talent that's in it you know it's Justin Thoreau and and woody harrelson and i know woody's one of the main producers on it so i i think we were you know we were pretty secure that it wasn't going to go away and they never said that it was going to but it was just in the back of my mind uh the possibility of it so um has that ever happened to you or i guess to anybody where you're like in the middle of a show and it either gets canned canceled or something just disappears has that ever happened it happened to me last week uh yeah working on a commercial um 60 seconder 30 seconder this was that i don't know if you guys were watching the forums but i was dealing with a an adapt from shot in the states the main body of the commercial shot in the states and then they sent me all the rushes with handles here and i had to reconform a local version and they shot some stuff here in Sydney in Tasmania i should say um and work that into a cut and we spent ages on the offline you know just rejigging everything and getting it all cut and everything and i think i spent maybe five days offline editing it and then took it into grade took it into finish and they took it off then they sent it off to research and research rejected it and didn't like it and the client went okay forget it don't worry about it we're not going to do it do you still get paid how does that work i don't know if i've ever experienced that like is it like in the contracts or something uh well you know i've worked there's an intermediate there's the agency so i'm not dealing directly with clients so okay i don't know if i've never been in that situation i wouldn't know what to do it's just a weird feeling you know it's like yeah uh i haven't even sent it off i haven't even like completely finished it like put the complete polish on it and master it out and send it off to distribution and all that you know and you kind of go wow i just spent the last three weeks on this spot and it's not going anywhere it's not going to happen and it's and i haven't even completely finished it you know it's almost like did i do something wrong like what yeah that's what you do was it me what's going on you know well no they you know that's what got off to research research got feedback and the client listened to the feedback and said okay forget it we're not gonna we'll go with another spot we'll get it something we'll put last year's ad on that's what they said we'll put last year's ad on even more of a slap in the face oh wow wow well yeah oh my gosh um hello to the new people that just joined we got renee what's up representing from detroit got mark anderson i think that's all that joined how you guys doing what's going on hey renee what are you doing working on lately what's going on out there oh i've been busy but i i'm on a thing i can't talk about the specifics of and because it's nda i'm not sure what i can say but i can uh it's a global thing and there's a lot of edits a lot of fast cuts um we're designing uh we're designing a look for it um i'm not in charge of color i'm just doing um conform and finishing and a lot of cleanup and a lot of versions because it's global so basically it's a version of a thing with that's shot in a similar way for different markets so there's different actors so the same thing needs to happen a lot of times um but it's interesting and it's fun and the team is really nice um so it's right at my alley um and then i'm also having a lot of fun doing the the pro stuff um for the logic pro logic tv yeah um the professor thing so that's that's cool that's interesting i've given three different talks on um you know how to book work and how to manage your money and how to stay cool as a cucumber um but i'm you know i'm looking forward to next month doing more of that trying to figure out what people want and what time zone you know works best to try and get more people on the actual calls while it's happening because i think the next stuff i want to do i want to have more people there at the same time rather than watching it later um because it's it's helpful to have kind of more of a hive going on for it um but yeah i mean i really appreciate everybody who's shown up and it's it's fun to to talk to everybody and also i've been having fun um popping into different channel watching everybody work so it's really helpful um for those of you who know um when you get stuck and you're working alone and you're like okay this is fine but then you hop on a channel and you just kind of share screen with people it i forgot or i just sort of forgot the impact that it can have when you think you're doing fine and you're cruising along and you know your stuff but then when you're around other people the camaraderie and the the the part that you don't mean to ask the question but it just comes up in conversation and it just sort of comes up as a top topic it's like i didn't even think about doing it like that or if you have a question and there's five different ways to do it and everybody's just chit chatting about it you're like oh my god like you you forgot what you didn't know and you forgot what you wanted to learn and it just sort of is really it was really nice so i really appreciated you know being a part of that so i think we should all make one time to kind of be together in those ways virtually for those of us who are not working in offices and even when you were i wasn't around seven different flame artists for a long time it was one maybe two but being like in a facility like the last time i had that in real life was like you know working at union where you had seven different bays with different flame artists and you could pop in another bay but like yeah just being in a pit with other artists and just kind of working it was so it was so nice it does have it's advantages and going back to what you were saying about helping other people you actually did a logic live a little while ago where you talked about like your own business and getting that kind of stuff started up i think that maybe like a year or so ago if you guys haven't seen that definitely check it out it was really good there's a lot of good info in there and just on a personal level you've helped me with some random questions that i've had over the years since i've known you for a while too so thanks for that but yeah definitely you you dived into a lot of stuff in that logic from a while ago so yeah definitely check that out yeah the pro the pro thing is i'm hoping to do more of that in there because i still have people that call me and they have these deep dives of situations they've gotten themselves into and they just need to talk it out and i'm like i've learned through being involved in this logic community that phone a friend isn't always the best way to do it even though it's a trusting a trusted person you know to not repeat your problem at the same time that's only one person's opinion and i think if we can create a space that's safe that we can workshop out an answer i think that person would get so much more benefit rather than the sage advice of one person's opinion that person may not be right for your situation and that may be relevant but it might be old or it might be not quite right so if you can if we can create a space that feels safe for all of us to talk about stuff and come to the table with an issue that we all have experienced you know whether it's someone being in an uncomfortable situation at work or maybe a client situation where someone might be not quite doing something right you know without revealing anything there's just been some situations happening where i'm like i wish we could just talk to like three other people because i'm not the one i don't want you to just hear from me i want you to hear from like four other people because you know anybody is going to be like yes dude you know like i just feel like everybody would have stuff to say about it so i would love to do that kind of thing on the pro the pro area because i think we could all get something out of it so that was that was that was randy calling yeah he ran to book you for that to book you for your next session i know i want to have my lucy song it's like it just is but you do make a really good point though yeah a good call yeah all really good points though yeah renee i think you're absolutely right like that's kind of how josh has structured our department at assembly like we're on a call all day long and it sounds a little bit scary but and to have like three four uh like three or four flame artists and a couple juniors on the call where everyone can just constantly ask questions all day long and we do and we share screens all the time man we get so much done and we always we're always learning every day really new things from each other that's actually really important to stress i really want to bring the focus the juniors it's so important all you junior people please we value your input because you have the fresh eyes you know we have been doing this a long time the same way and sometimes it's really scary and difficult and exhausting to learn the new way but you only know the new way and your fresh perspective and your energy and your enthusiasm and your fearfulness it's a really important and valuable way to learn for us as the geezers you know we're like how do you do this new thing you know please show us so you are very valuable and we want your input so you bring up a really good point because sorry i was just going to say it's a really good point that you bring that up it's funny you say the juniors renai because i see all of you guys as juniors to me in the sense of age right and just the other day i didn't know how to do perspective stabilizing with perspective grit and richard came to the rescue and it was just showed me a way of doing it all in one action and it was like wow how did you do that that's a fantastic trick thank you it goes both ways as well because then john i'm watching john i'm trying to help john i'm going all right how did you get you click on that blue dot to get into the animation editor to do you that's great i didn't even know that was a thing that's brilliant you know like just watching someone else and go that's what i mean by sharing screen yeah you have the opportunity to just watch it's like what you just do there and also jeff i have to say again every time i see you i think about this i am so grateful for your connected conform video i watch it i do them very rarely and every single time before i do them i really watch all three of your videos at double speed and i watch them a couple of times through because every time i watch them i see something i didn't see before and i'm so glad to have them on my little library where i can pull them out and be like okay because you're so clear and you're so concise and it's structured in a way it's like yeah yeah i just need to know the fast version and you have one of those like it's just it's a gold so i appreciate it and i think you should buckle up for next week's logic because josh josh and i are gonna talk about a nice little combination of connected conform and publishing that we've been using that we yes please i know i've been seeing that i'm so i just my brain i can't hold anymore but i want to know about this because i know there's another new way to do it and i just had to completely redo my entire conform because i did something not quite right oh no i'm like well i could go down the rabbit hole of relinking everything by hand this way and i started doing it for half a day and it just was bombing out like stuff was not working i'm like you know what sometimes the pain means you have to start over from scratch and it took me the rest of the day but i'm so set now i'm so glad i started over because it really got my head around the footage i learned what i did wrong all is clear so yeah i'm just yeah that's great it's great to hear nice of you to say to you thank you so keep doing it jeff keep doing those awesome videos for sure i just want to second what renay said about the the uh the open call that we've been having i think we switched him over to google meet this past week it's just great it's i didn't appreciate how much i missed the socialization while working you know and sometimes like hours will go by where everybody's screen will be off you know camera will be off microphone will be muted and then other times there'll be hours of just someone showing what they're doing or everybody's laughing i mean whatever i mean there's things to learn but there's also like a a social aspect that again i i didn't really appreciate how much i missed this board where's this happening yeah it's done through logic academy pro uh where we have an open google meet you switch i have to go where's that i've never seen that i've looked in the circle and i don't see it either i don't see the option in my pro count or he's done uh well i have to reach out to randy right doesn't usually do him on friday where he posts like a link for an open call it used to be used to be through zoom is it switched over to another platform oh you know what no i'm sorry i guess i'm i'm i'm intertwining it with uh we're actually working on a job together oh and that job that job we have google meet so but the concept sounds good so you're just you're just working you're not one person's presenting everyone's just working but you're live you're live and open yep that sounds great yeah yeah randy's been randy had been having them on me pro and he didn't have them recently but he had been putting them like i don't know every couple a couple of days he was putting up an you know an all day from like 10 to four that's right a hangout hangout group a hangout exactly it's like that so like you know it just depends on who you're working with maybe you're having them with the people who are on your job but randy was having them through logic academy pro i mean that's it's just a way to like have a group of people together you know for a part of a day or a few hours and just to kind of have what's i think key is having the downtime so you don't specifically have something that you're doing you just have your camera on or off and your mic is on or off but you're just there and it's kind of nice to just have because the the natural it's sort of like a water cooler but like more than that it's just the natural ebb and flow of your work day and then you don't feel pressure to ask a question or to narrate what you're doing it's just sort of you're just working but then someone can just say wait wait if you're sharing your screen you know you might ask the question that for the people on the call might be like that i had no idea i was doing it wrong all this time or whatever or do you found out a new way like you were saying you didn't know to hit the animation blue button that you get to the animation like stuff you didn't know you didn't know so that's just that's the goal right there good call yeah everybody's been good about uh again like they usually keep their camera off or their microphone muted so we don't have to hear them typing we don't have to hear the music we don't have you know it's not you get all the you eliminate all of the negatives of working in like one room with other people you know while having all the benefits of working chewing somatica somatica has to be uh drawn up at first all right right exactly rules the road right but speaking of working marky anderson are you looks like you're working right now working hard anything you just uh staring at a different screen sorry oh no you're good you're good you look like you're working hard auto show cleanup so uh exciting renais object obliterator you know every single camera that uh somehow reflects in the car you know a lot of that stuff so yeah just running through that um you know typical delays uh my color comes in on monday but uh they want it on wednesday and there's i went through i ran through with the producer and i was like so i see on these two two minute pieces uh 86 hours worth of work so what should we do and you know so they're kind of realizing now like oh maybe one person isn't enough and so everybody's running around grabbing another flame artist and stuff like that so now we're gonna divide up shots and do all that once we get everything on monday so you know so obviously everybody's connecting form thanks very much it's all uh all helpful so is that you working for a facility with a bunch of flame other flames no this is it was just supposed to be me uh working with a place out of detroit uh does that mean you then lose income because you'll be given less shots uh you know what i i mean i was only going to work five days anyway uh so the fact that now i don't have to work uh i could do a second shift and just work overnight uh each of those days but uh that gets old pretty quick right yeah so um you know there'll be a not there'll be a video next week that we'll do uh and i'll do the same thing next week so um we'll see where i jump into next year i was the season right short changed yeah yeah no definitely i mean you know i'm gonna try and take care of myself obviously on this john and make sure that i get enough hours out of it let's get in front of the client so that's the bottom line they call you back you know and it's really good that you told them a gaugeable number you're like this is it's like instead of saying oh it's a lot of work i don't know if you're like there are this many hours and then you kind of give it back to them and they can either prioritize or they can hire more people or they can change the deadline but you just gave them the information that they could actually do something with right and it's always that fun thing of you get brought in like all right so we needed to work on the spot or this job and then uh you know but they've already bit it and it's like well all right but you have roads that are going by with tons of cracks in them and hey what do you know they want every crack out of that road you know so stuff like that is it's going to take some time it's not like it's going to be just a one button thing i mean i'd love to just throw a crack beauty on it and be done but i don't think that's quite going to do it so you know we'll see we'll see what we'll see what works out but yeah so i mean giving them that that number and then it's also it's a junior producer that i worked with years ago at another facility and she had bit it out and i guess didn't really realize the amount of hours that might take so you know so now we know and we'll see how it goes you know there's also that whole thing where they play things at the auto show where they need the video by this day so they can put it in the reel so that they can get it up on the screens which we just found out are all 4k screens so you know it's going to be a giant thing to finish a two and a half minute video at 4k it'll be pretty big so um you know we'll get that out to them and then they can get that up on the screen but you know we'll get it to them by midweek and they can have a version of it that's whip and it's got everything in it that we can get done by then and then apparently they need it by monday final drop dead so uh we'll get it to them all by then so it's just figuring out that timing at this point so i'm just sitting here waiting like only i had some footage i'd be ready to go you know the work picture isn't gonna be good enough for me to fix all week so sounds like you got your cut out for you yeah it'll be great going on man that's cool hey mr mark wellington how you doing me i'm doing fine what's going on i'm working this weekend too oh yay well uh recently you know like in the last year and a half switched over to mostly freelance and i've been booked since november day after the monday after Thanksgiving i've been working for a client i'm still booked through the end of february so me but i'm mostly doing commercial work so stuff you know lace potato chips was the last one and actually i got my name in a trade mag which i wasn't expecting you know i'm a freelancer for our company and they still put me in the trade mag so that was nice of them and then uh you know right now i'm in the same situation as mark where we were supposed to get everything on a monday uh this past monday and i didn't get it till thursday it's due monday morning tomorrow morning so the client had to make a choice whether they were going to hire me and bring in some more flame artists for the weekend which they did so uh i just sent off an approval right before this call so we'll see we'll forget but it's insane an eight eight k footage what just do what mark said crock beauty just like what mark said crock beauty all over it you'll be fine well this is for an eleven thousand five hundred dollar toilet i can't tell you who it's for uh which company but okay and every little thing on that toilet we had to clean up because then there are no fingerprints no scratches no extra reflective surfaces nothing you know there was one where there's all kinds of crap on it we had to take it all off it was crazy i was i'm looking for a pun i'm trying to think of a pun at that point why don't they just do it cg i mean it's a toilet they do cg honestly they should have done it cg if it's scratched you know you're just going to go to the bathroom in it isn't like you know it's anyway yeah it was quite material rights itself doesn't work it's down the drain you know exactly it's flush all that money was very flushed after it right you can now add eight k toilet retouch to your your resume yes it's insane it's a keywood search in linden now just so you know toilet that'll open your eight k toilet retouch real you know well i i don't know oh my gosh oh man i forgot who's gonna buy one of these bad boards this wrist it's gotta elect it's got an Alexa built into it and speakers on the side it's say no more but i'm just saying it has to open before you can use it it's like this automated to play your play your pooping sound you know playlist i'm like why i'm like rolling down the river by uh tina turner sorry i don't understand it but that's okay i should mute my mic i'm gonna take the money and run you know i don't i don't know can uh can quarry johnson sorry can we can you top the toilet one can we have anything better than alexa toilet what was that you said you're gonna take the money and runs wow i didn't go that far i didn't put the s on it i just put the end oh yep okay hi yeah i think we really bottomed out with that one let's say i had a bit of a busy week uh you know the place i know we do mix of long form and uh and commercial and mainly commercial though so i started out with a fast food job and ended up on sort of long over long form spillover after that and then wrapped up with more packer places but i had an interesting shot speaking like michael had an interesting screen replace i had one too this week at a curved monitor which was really fun and ultra wide but of course they only had gray or blue for the middle sort of 69 portion and then they had an ultra wide insert to go in there so that kind of eliminated any sort of multiply or you know blend mode to go over top uh and on top of that there was characters in front of it the whole time so there was occlusions so uh yeah it was a lot of fun and uh long hair brilliant um but i ended up using a you know senior artist solely i'm at as an old uh you know goes back to henry days we kind of had a good suggestion for uh for dealing with some of the hair because we had a lot of spill which was the uh the wash brush going through and just washing the same color over top and and also it did open splines sort of as g masks for each individual strand of air in some cases so uh yeah that was an interesting one yeah the wash brush was the henry's pretty much only way to deal with hardcore spill as many many hours with the wash brush and the henry it's a good trick it's a very good trick question about the insert oh yeah did you understort the frame and then plan a track that and then put it back or did you try and know it i ended up doing a one point track off of like the one top corner and then just didn't extend it by cubic and sort of manually bent it in to match the shape and then positioned it so it wasn't pushing so there was a little bit of twist but yeah it worked okay when you when you one point tracks the best you can get things are pretty bad right yeah yeah i learned something last week the week before from josh lorence about the wash brush is that you can get the same effect that wash performs if you use the if you add a comp node and use the photoshop transfer mode called color so you just make a color of color frame of what you want the color to be and then put that over top of your footage with photoshop color as the transfer mode and using that and it was like oh my god this i had no idea i was gonna i was gonna mention that i'll take you to the next level then andy so if you use your drag tool and just drag therefore you can choose what color you're dragging and then take your paint and then do the comp blend so it's actually just taking the color value from your drag and putting it back over the image so what are you using the mat or what are you so so you drag your edges so your pictures are fucked up kind of thing but then you just take you just steal the color using the comp and the photoshop blend mode to wash that back over your original picture so you're using drag but with but with the blend mode of color i got yeah yeah oh in in the pink in the yeah yeah so you can choose whether you're getting skin tones or hair tones and you can you can you can drag so quick you don't have to color sample but then because you've you've warped your image then you just steal the color blend from photoshop and mix it back over just just be but just be careful of that color photoshop blend mode it doesn't like linear so you have to if you if you're stuck in a linear comp you have to convert it out otherwise you'll end up with some weird values but yeah love it love it yeah we just used that actually mv showed me the color mode color photoshop mode we had a tattoo removal and the tattoo was it was pretty faint but it was just dark enough to where you could really see it and she grabbed the color of the skin and washed over that tattooed area and it worked really well oh man i would love to see that i actually would love to say that too i want to i worked on pain and gain that movie with mark wallberg and he had that really bad tattoo and i did that one tracking the whole thing on his arm was like lifting weights and like doing all this other stuff i'm like trying to track that what i would love to see something like that something different reach out to reach out to mv because she did a few years ago a tattoo removal on shack and i remember she showed me the setup and everything so that that i don't know if she'll get permission to do like uh from hbo you know or it might not be for a while you know but i gotta reach out for sure on her website that she shows about it okay i check that out yeah cool i mean it may not be the the breakdown but she shows that she did it so i'm sure she's the queen of tattoo removals man that's cool does anyone else have anything else awesome they want to talk about um wash tattoo removals porcelain toilets alexa anything yes andy provides to shoot the last two days it was my first time as a freelance onset vfx supervisor and uh it was fun i had been a while been over a year since i was on set and uh there wasn't too much in the way of like visual effects that was needed they just wanted someone there like uh i forget who said it at the beginning of this call when i first jumped on the call with someone to blame in case you know it didn't go right i mean that was my they wanted us to be covered but it was it was uh it was great it was fun to be back on set and and then you had to kind of not be there representing like a specific company that i was working for i was hired by the production company you know so um it was great was it local yeah it was in new jersey and uh that's why the it's all being finished in la and it was andy brown who who was on one of the logic lives it was like and 15 things andy brown doesn't like about flame or something um he reached out and said uh they had a they're they're doing the finishing out in la shoot is in new jersey they were looking for somebody local and so he called and i was available and i actually went and saw josh lorence yesterday like before he it turned out it's 10 minutes from his house so i left early we haven't seen each other in like four years so stopped by said hi and then went to set but really funny side story some uh introduced myself to the ad agency and the agency producer um said you asked me how did you get this this job and i said well i'm a flame artist and she goes oh you know i've seen that on uh bids that have come across my desk i'm not really it's always the most expensive line item so uh do you know much about flame and i was like not at all funny yes i do i played the music and i i always bring the sign with me so i had turned the sign on and uh we did a little logic lab right there exactly so i did tell her though that if you ever need a flame artist in any market join the forum and you know um and uh you'll find the best people in the world so nice i don't know if i'm late to this but i wanted to say congratulations on your award you're here absolutely well done oh thank you it was great it's just wonderful to be recognized like that for doing this great stuff so we we love it we love it so thank you and we love you absolutely so congrats on that you know start stay more please well thanks guys this is cool everyone's working on some pretty awesome stuff um man what have you been working on oh man uh it's super bowl season some of that stuff going on um just like a lot of deliverables for those commercials yeah yep they're making up they're making up formats there's new things i haven't heard about it's it's been fun apple watch format you know i don't even know what some of these numbers mean i don't know what any of these oh wait a minute there's a new eight by sixteen that's gonna just blur it's gonna blur everybody's mind uh oh wait a minute wait a minute it's like oh my god it's like ears ringing we're just talking about you you can't get away we're talking about me behind my back oh thank you why something's not right here and i didn't do it i didn't do it well i did a lot of it you did though how are you what's going on i'm good just back from a little mini-vacation i needed a break after uh hanging out with Wayne for a year just talking about that just talking about how awesome you are all right i jumped on i need you guys to change your tune there you go how's everybody doing people need your setup for um or some kind of tutorial for doing peat wash tattoo removal yes is what the big topic was yep so return by using the cut the wash brush or using like the color photoshop color transform oh i do that a lot actually a lot of things that's what you said i don't know if i did it for the time you know what i did it for a lot was um i had to put a picture and a frame off when i told you and i was playing with color trying to get a shitty looking insert and it doesn't match any of the color space no matter how many times you run it through and if you even do the mats and you tweak color and you're like it's still something's not miss something's not right what i'll do is i'll do a real blur of the background right tone of the color and then i put it in photoshop color or i do a wash brush if i can do if i can paint is best wash paint is best and then you can dial it in and it just kind of brings the outside color into it and puts it it seats it a little bit better so i think that's kind of the trip we're talking about too but yeah i use um photoshop color a lot as a math op and i also use paint wash a lot it just seems to take an edge off but no big tricks there a couple nodes i like it i like it yeah cool good stuff always trying to seat things into things so you can do all the technical things right and you still go why is it just not like look right but yeah so there's a little that's awesome thanks for popping in here this is great love that you showed up that's so cool i haven't seen you in a while so this is nice it's been it's been a while so how's everybody else doing what other things that i missed that i have to watch in the replay it's okay we'll just repeat it all for next hour i really i mean i think i don't want to jump in but i think uh what mark wellington has been working on uh is definitely worth if it's not the number one thing he's worked on all year it's definitely the number two thing that he's working on i was waiting for someone to work that one oh i was oh you trying to think about a pun perfectly oh man all right i definitely have to watch where you play now all right you you win the internet for today yeah you win it all okay um i don't even know what to say uh uh so there's one more thing i'm working on and i haven't talked to him yet but maybe you'll see her here because i always get excited about that i um my son showed an interest in this environment and like the family business which blew my mind and he has a very dear friend that was dying to figure out about it so she came over and she's just this young talent that is ready to learn and soak it all up and i'm just so excited to mentor somebody that i was like my husband was like i've seen you work on many jobs i've never seen you this excited about work but it's always fun because i'm trying to get her introduced to the community and start her off so it's always fun to have new new blood if you will and she's female and she's a woman of color so we're hitting all the checkbox of trying to bring some diversity into this group so it's kind of fun cool nice so her name's monique so if you see her lurking around it's me pushing the young ones to take my place because i'm getting kind of old need a passage towards you a little bit so there you go nice feel thanks for popping in guys um if everyone's good talking about the awesomeness they've been working on i think i want to give away some prizes so you guys going to oh i better win all of them since i just i did just add your name you came in right at the right time it's amazing how that worked out yeah okay oh yeah so here we go ready everyone's here everyone's registered is here but of course spin in the wheel like you have to be present to win first one is for a t-shirt should we do this again you have to be present to win right let's see here going through okay one more time ready see mb added you right there you know i just thought about this i was like you know i should have went through and just put the names of the people that were in that would have made a lot more sense but you know we're gonna try it three more times these people okay you know what are these people who are these people who are these people i don't know what these people are you know what all right we have a winner just go oprah everyone gets a t-shirt everyone okay i have a second logic t-shirt now yes the one-year boar's back are these people here yes okay see this worked out better than expected guys thank you so much we're gonna head on over to um what's it called the slideshow and make some good stuff yeah so thank you so much guys so stick around for a little bit and we're gonna go through some awesome slides so guess 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