 Just welcome back to Why In The Morning special thanks to Hilda Batifi and Oguda Kaisu for that amazing segment where we get to start our Wednesday on a laughing note, on a light note, as we turn to our weekend. So my name is Biomoses, it's Biomone, every social media platform, and it's time for strength of a woman, as you will see later on on the screen right here. And in studio with me is a special lady. At the age of 23, she has done a PhD in Biomathematics and she's a lecturer at the University of Strathmore, Strathmore University and she's here in studio with us. She goes by the name Doctor Puriti Gena. Yes. Karibu Sana Doctor. Asante Sana. Alright, so if I left out anything in your, in your intro, you can say it on camera one. Okay. I'm Puriti Gena Doctor in Biomathematics, I teach at Strathmore University in the Institute of Mathematical Sciences. That's what I do in my free time, I visit schools to talk to young girls and boys, to just help them transform. I like that you said young girls and boys, yes, you don't discriminate. No, no. Because we need, as much as we want to build a woman, we need to build a man for that woman. I guess it's very important. I like that. Yeah, so. Wash words already and you are not even a minute into the interview. As much as we need to build a woman, we need to build a good man for that woman. Exactly. Wonderful. Yeah. Take me back to your childhood. Where were you born and raised? I was born and raised in Nyeri County. Nyeri stand up, Nyeri is represented online in the morning. I'm telling you so. And in Kaffaru Ward and in Keeney constituency. And then later I went to Nakuru for my bachelors and my masters. I was at the Jeton University in Joro. And then I came to Nairobi in 2016, where I joined Stradmo University to do my PhD. And I cleared that last year in June, that's when I graduated. All right. When I was in school, not so many people carried on with their studies. Many people went into the world of employment, world of business. People want that money because they've been broke for five years in my case. What has held you back to stay in school and just carry on with your studies? For sure. I also got those mixed feelings, should I do my masters or should I first go and work? But feel I felt I needed to become better for my own self. And I'm saying those who have degrees are no better. I believe everyone has where you want to go. You have goals, what you want to do and you give priority. So for me, I know in life there are many other things that I've not achieved. But education is one of the things that I feel. There are so many you've achieved as well. Just in education line, in academia, of course life is more too. There's more to life than academia. Exactly. But for me, when I was a teacher at university, I knew that I needed to do my masters. As much as I came from a humble family, I really wanted to prove to myself that, yeah, you can do this thing. And the voice is that I'm out there that as a woman you cannot. I really wanted to prove to my own self that, yes, the fact that a man can do this, a woman can even do it, probably in a better way. Or I mean, I mean, so for that I pushed on when I did my bachelor's, I graduated with a first class honors. Makes a lot of sense. Yes. So it didn't cost you so much to do the master's degree program. Yeah, because they got a scholarship. When I got a first class honors at Jeton University, I was very kind to me. They gave me a scholarship to do my masters. And when I was doing my masters, quite interesting, because most of the time you're told you cannot finish a master's within two years. And surprisingly, I started my master's in 2013 and in 2015, I graduated. And Jeton is a public university where people will tell you, you cannot do this. You cannot do this. But for sure, I knew you can if you want it. You really want to do something in yourself driven and you're motivated from within you rather than from without, then you're going to do this. And I graduated and that is how I joined Strathmore University. And luckily, again, I got a scholarship. I was sponsored by the DAD is a German kind of exchange program. And they're sponsored by PhD. And that is how my education life has been. So do you attribute this to lack or there's hard work as well involved? A lot of hard work, a lot of hard work. I mean, someone said hard work beats talent. I get it's Smith, the great actor. For sure, you cannot even what you're doing. It is hard work, a lot of hard work. I like that. There's a phrase that was popularized by Muguna Muguna before he left the country and it goes something like what was the title of your dissertation? Oh, my title was on management, optimal management of HIV patients. Of course, we are looking at the drugs and which is the most effective because optimality is that most effective thing. And you know, when you talk about the effective of something, what are you looking into? Most of the people would assume it's just the money. Other people will assume is how it reduces the viral road. But then there are many things that you need to incorporate. Is it resorting to resistance? Assuming I have HIV and I have diabetes, there any drug interaction? So those are the things we wanted to actually get to know. Within the three, I was working on fission inhibitors. These are drugs that help to protect or prevent the entry of the virus in the CD4 cells. And then there's another drug we call the reverse transcriptive inhibitor that try to ensure that the reverse transcription process does not take place because all viruses are RNA. So for them to make food, they need to be reverse transcribed to DNA. So we have a drug that try to... It's a virology class, right? Try to... And then we have another one that is protease in his protease drug or protease inhibitor. What this drug helps is that when the virus already they have made in our food, they need to be released back to their blood system. So to ensure that the released virus are defectives. That means they cannot really infect any other. So we wanted to see within these three categories, which is the most effective. And if it is effective then, is it what the government is used to? Yeah, it is bringing to the country. Can we assist in bringing more insight to the people making policies and tell them, yes, this is what you're doing, but can you take this kind of rather than what you've been doing, can we change, can we shift? And of course it's an ongoing project. It's an ongoing project. Yeah, we're still continuing with my... It's not published yet? No, I've published three papers. We can find it online. Yes. All right, how can they get a hold of your published papers? Your camera is number one. If you want to get my papers, so far I've published six papers. Three I publish when doing my masters. Of course it's not on HIV, but on HIV I've published three. And if you just Google purity, Modoni-Gena publications on HIV, you're going to get three papers that are already online. And of course I'm working on one which I said it has been accepted, just waiting for it to be published. No social media platforms, just Google purity. Purity, Modoni-Gena publications on HIV, because they have other publications here. All right, so you had like, you had the outcome of the research. You had your results. Yeah, true. Are there any recommendations you've made? Yeah, true. There are so many. First is what is being currently done. We need to really look into that. Because most of the time we try to just take policies from probably other countries, but we don't test it. Without understanding our own problems. Yeah, our own problems. I was recently watching some program. We are someone who's saying that we have deficit of ARVs. I can't say that with a lot of certainty, but someone was saying in a national television, and I asked myself, where should that happen? And looking back, we now have test and trade. So everyone, if you're positive, you can be, you can take ARVs. I don't know whether when they say test and trade, they ensure that we have enough ARVs to take care of the new people who are getting infected. They're actually infected only that Kitambo, you had to wait for your CD4 cells to go down. Now, whether you got infected yesterday or today, and you're positive, use that, the ART. So I guess there are many things that we need to look into. And of course, continue encouraging people to understand and to be aware of their own status. Sometimes it's very funny, because even us, you talk about new, your own status. And I asked most of the people whom we are working on the same, do you really know your own status? Someone would say, probably no, they have not. So I guess we need to take this initiative. Because for us to work on this problem, then everybody need to play a very important role. It's not left to academia or people in the National Aid Council. Of course, they're doing a lot for sure. Kenya is one of the countries where if you go back to the history and where we have come, we have come a long way. And I think the government is doing something. Even in the health sector. Exactly, exactly. Especially on HIV. We have a looming lecture, not lecture, a nurses strike. So that's out for debates, what the government has done so far. But there's progress we can see. A lot of progress. You know, I mean, getting even these ARTs for free is not easy. If you go to other countries, I visited Germany and they spend a lot of money buying these drugs. So the fact that even infected, I can go to a CCC, Comprehensive Care Centre. Get a free test. Exactly. Get a free medication after and get free counseling. And given supplements as well. So there's progress. There's a lot of progress, but a lot need to be done. Because you can imagine, since this disease was documented the first time in 1983 in US. And we're still talking about it. Actually in Kenya, we have like about 1.5 million of people. And if you look at them, every time that people are tested and the results are out, and I guess the last statistic, we had a lot of new infection, amongst the youth, between the age of 15 and 24. Which is very heartbreaking. Sometimes I sit down and try to imagine, most of us at an age of 15 to 24, you didn't go for a test. So kind of my own imagination is that everybody who went for that test might have been tested positive. I'm not saying with a lot of certainty. But if you check at those new kind of infection, it's not something that we can be proud of. So we need a solution for it. We really need a solution. With the background in mathematics and a little bit of statistics, what do you attribute this to? The new infections coming from the age of 15 to 24. We always want to blame something. Give us something to blame. I really don't know whom to blame on this one, because I believe everyone has been told. I think the information is out there, how to take care of yourself. I guess if one needs to probably, I would say, upstain at that age until you get to the right time where you get a partner and get married. Of course, that is not what is happening. There's a lot of information. But there are probably who are born with it. And that one I would blame probably the parent, because now you can take a drug and you get a child. You can save your child from it, even if you were. That is the case, I think. They need to be a lot of people trained on how, why it is important. But stigmatization is real. We were discussing with one of my colleagues called Dr. Collins, and he was telling me that people work from FACC, especially in the Multicannia region, because you don't want... You know, Comprehensive Care Centers is in your village. And the nurse there is also a person. Is a member of the village. Yeah, so you can imagine if you go there. She has all the information of the infected people. And you go there at the same time. So you're going with your kijiji. Everybody is there. And there's one day for collecting the drugs also. So you come in groups. Yes, and these people come from your own village. So they might tell other people that you're infected. Which people are scared. Yeah, everybody is scared to be known. So they work for far distances. They go to another one in another village. Can you imagine? It's so sad. So we need to work on the stigmatization part first. For me, if someone tells me they're positive, I don't see them as a human being. I feel they're still part of me. I work with them. I love them even more. And I guess everyone should do that because we all need love. We all need love. So we need to understand stigma is a hindrance to the fight against HIV. It is, it is. We keep talking about 1990-1990. I don't think how much we're going to achieve that. If your friend tells you, hi, I'm positive and you're like, you start even tweeting it on social media. It's something you're saying. We make them scared of coming out. Exactly. I like that. All right, so we have the big four agenda. Health is a major pillar to it. And I see your line of mathematics, you've tended it more towards the health sector. So we were having a conversation about multi, multi, what do you call it? Multi-disciplinary approach to this health thing where we have everybody in everything they do. We have from mechanics to doctors like you, having a role to play in this sustainable healthcare. What can you say about this? For sure, everyone needs to play a role. And as a mathematician, and I feel Mald is one of the subject that is applicable everywhere because just to give you an example, if you want to know what will happen after 10 years to a patient, you cannot test any medicine using that patient for 10 years to know the outcomes. You can only use mathematics to tell you what happens if you increase the time horizon. And I believe mathematicians like me in applied and those who are in statistics can help the government because the data will be out there. But we need someone to analyze it, someone to project what is likely to happen as much as the medicine is there. The people are being told you need to have insurance which is very important. And I keep telling my people, if you don't have insurance, you should not be my friend because I guess everyone should be taking initiative and pay the 500 shillings, I think the minimum. And I'm lucky to come from Nyeri County. We are, the piloting was done. The global health care. Yeah, and even just playing a simple role by telling your friends, a group of your friends, like you must have insurance. You must have insurance. Knowledge is very important, number one. And telling them the importance. Of course, people will ask you if you go to hospital, sometimes they're going to reject the NHIF. Of course, there's a lot of things that need to be done to ensure that if I have insurance, I can get quality health services in any hospital. And I guess probably that is why most people are scared to just continue paying. Others go to private kind of insurance so that because they'll be assured. But I guess everybody need to play a role, even a simple by telling someone. And if you have your elder parents paying for them, I mean 500 shillings is the sacrifice they made when you were young. If my mom was there, I would have really paid the 500 and to ensure that she's insured. Actually, if you don't have good health, that is when you get to know the importance of. So what I'm getting from you, knowledge is very important and we all need to be insured. True. Make sure. You never know when you're going to fall sick. Yeah. And you never know when you're going to need that insurance. Yeah, everyone needs to be insured. Everybody. I like that. The census is coming up. As a mathematician, maybe you've checked out the parameters that they check or that they have in the criteria of taking the data. Maybe they come to a person, they ask certain questions. I don't know the questions in particular, but what would you want them to do better? What other data would you like them to get from the people? I guess because most of the time we are talking about unemployment and let me mention you saw that story of the Rono Ruth who was who had a first class and unfortunately she couldn't get a job. I guess we need to understand the. Yes, and we have the three Thika, the three musketeers in Thika who robbed a bank. They were all graduates and they never got jobs. We cannot forget them. True, true. If they really want to get to know the number of people who are out there with skills, I guess it can come out from such a sense as where do you have a job? What do you do? I mean something like that so that we are aware of the kind of, you know, we keep talking about these new employment. We don't have people educated. We don't have skills. You know, we need to know. Purity is in this line. Purity is but doesn't have a job. So that by the end of the day, when the government is saying that we have created this number of jobs, we get to understand this number of jobs was given to this number of people. And how many other people? According to the requirements of the population. Exactly. And how many people do we have still who have not yet employed? But looking at that, when that story of that lady came out and I could see many people offering her a job, I ask myself, is it that their jobs, only that either they're keeping them for their own people? You know, there were so many offers, right? There were so many. Yes, I saw this. And good ones, if it is not PR, it means someone is sleeping on his job. There's a job somewhere? Yes. Because people apply daily. People keep applying for jobs. Applying, yes. So you ask yourself, what is really happening? How come there are seven opportunities now? Ten opportunities, all of a sudden. So maybe it's the lack of statistics or that. Exactly. There's no data or probably you don't even know if we can have a place where a bank of people living in universities with different courses, what they have done, it would be easier for an employer to get there. See this, this, this is Puriting Gena, she did this and this and this. Can she fit, is she qualified? Yes or no? And then you can go to the next class. Can even have the recommendations from the lecturers as well. Exactly. I'd like to take you back to class now. Enough of the sad stories. How is interacting with students like, because I'm guessing some are barely, some are older than you, some are almost your age, because you're quite young. Fortunately, I've been teaching younger, children than me at Strathmore. So yeah, but we have a very nice kind of relationship. I've never heard a student disrespect me. Actually, one of my rules is when I go to class, the first time I give them my number and my email. And surprisingly, they will only call me to talk about the things that I'm teaching them when necessary. So I like that because sometimes you can get some other kind of funny things that can scare you. So I've never experienced and I think first is because I show them love. So they also treat me with a lot of respect. Yeah, with a lot of respect. It is very important. When you are in campus, I'm pretty sure there are some treats from lecturers that you didn't really like. Tell me some of them that you said I'm going to improve on this when I get my job in school, like this one. I think for me is just being down there, allowing the student to relate with you nicely. They don't even have to come tell me the problems about the mathematics courses I'm teaching. They can even open up because you see a young person and I'm young like them. We are going through a lot of things that you need someone who can really work with you. So I guess for me opening up my space and allowing them to get in in that space and being my friends, that is something you might not find in many universities because people are like everybody's busy anyway, so you might not get time. But I try to ensure that I ask them, how are you doing, just trying to relate them with them well. If you see someone who's not happy, you follow up. So for me that is something I made a delivery decision to do. I don't think there's anything much I didn't like about my lecturers because I guess most of the time, students who are not, who really don't work hard, complain so much. But if you do- We have some images of you on screen right here. Maybe we are throwing you back to DVD. So where is this? This is at Strathaway University. In line of duty. Yeah. These are no fees occupied by my boss, Dr. Richard Burger. So we were just having a chat. Actually, this day I'd come, I'd going to get an award from Democracy Trust Fund. So they recognized me as a woman in STEM and I was coming from that place and I wanted to tell my boss, you know. All right, all right, all right. Some evidence. We're going to have evidence of this as well. All right. So I'd like to know, what next for you? Oh, a lot of things. A lot of things. Just give me a short-term plan. I hear you'll be traveling sometime soon. But before we talk about that, this is another picture of you. What is happening here? This is after I got my PhD. That is our, that is on 29th of June. The picture is self-explanatory. There's so much happiness on your face. I was excited, but of course, that was my first graduation that I graduated. My mom was not alive. And as much as this, that smile out there, inside there, you're like, oh, my God. What if mom was here to see you? All right. Yeah, and yeah, true. So there's a lot of emotions when your parents are not there to celebrate your success. All right. We have another picture here. I see gentlemen in ties sitting down, taking notes from you. What is happening? So I'd gone to Deligorete High School and I was talking to the form fours, just trying them to help them transform from who they are now or to where probably they want to get. And this is our form four class, of course, very hopeful. And this was a very early morning. I'd gone there 6.30, because we didn't want to interrupt the program. I do this most of the time trying to, actually, you know, most of us were in academia. You don't want to go to school to talk to children. But then if you don't go, how would they come to the university? Yeah, you need to go to them so that when they are coming, prepare them and make them ambitious enough to come. Yeah, this one I went to Matunda in Kitale. It is far. Matunda in Kitale. But let me tell you something I discovered. This is a purely day school. And out of the number, I can't remember the number. Can you imagine 65 students will be joining university? All right, wonderful. And most of us are so obsessed with taking our children to national school, right? But a day school like this. Not most of us. I think all of us. I'm telling you, a day school like this, having 65 students, and in mathematics, they had number two in Kaka Mega County. And that is something that was very... And people have always looked down upon day schools. Yeah. What is the message you're trying to preach for this? Any school is a good school. And as much as any school is a good school, we should not be obsessed. It is about what you get there. It's not the school. It's the knowledge you're gaining. And these teachers have gone through the same training. Someone in Nalaya school, because me, I'm a teacher by training. I've been trained by the same lecturers, only that probably the resources might be different. But you choose to go there and work, rather than complaining at all. So it's never about the school. It's about what you do. It's about you as a person, you as a student. When you get to that school, what do you do? And it gets also parents play a very important role. You know, if you're taking me to a school and you're telling me, that is just a day school. And there was a time in my village when we used to take children to another day school. Now they used to say, let me quote Gati Iddo. A place you just go, spend the day. Quote again, so they come back in the evening. Developers who understand you can get it faster. Just say it one more time. Gati Iddo. Gati Iddo. Yeah. So you go, spend the day, come back home. So what is a message that you're not going there to learn? You've just gone there to pass time. So parents always need to encourage the students, no matter where they're going. Because they can always get from there going up. Wonderful. Wise words from Puriting Gina here. Dr. Puriting Gina. I won't miss the doctor again. So White Fire 4 channel on Twitter, White Fire 4 underscore channel on Instagram and White Fire 4 on Facebook is the way to interact with us. Don't forget your name and where you're watching us from and keep your views, your comments and your questions come and direct them to Dr. Puriting Gina herself. We have a picture on screen right here. To Lee Chimba Sana. To Lee Chimba Sana, Sana, Sana. We are sorry. I apologize on behalf of my crew. But what is going on here? Oh, this is my fiancée. All right. It's called, he's an eugenium. He's a lecturer at Tijatun University. Yeah, so he loves me and I love him. All right. I was reading an article by CEO of the 21st firm, something. She talked about gender. And she said for a career woman, it's A, that you only have two choices. You get a very supportive man or no partner. So I guess for him, he's really supportive. If I want today now, I've been saying, if I get someone to sponsor me, I would go do my postdoc for two years. And he doesn't worry. He's not so scared. He's not intimidating. Yeah, never. He's like a smart guy as well. Yeah, exactly. All right. How did you guys meet? We met in Germany. Oh, you met in Germany. Yeah. What were you doing in Germany? I had gone to do my PhD and him, he was doing his masters in electrical engineering. So you speak German as well? No, but I know Ischbeen. I was Kenny, yeah. All right. So all our German viewers, Ischbeen. All right. So our German viewers, Ischbeen, like that. So you met in Germany. You were the only two Kenyans in that particular school? No, no, no. No, actually, we were not in the same school. We went to the same university in Yigetone University. But that did not click. Like anything is going to. Yeah, exactly. You were busy. Yeah, we were both busy. And he's a very smart guy to get a scholarship to do his masters in Germany. So he, we met there. Like now in Germany. When you met in Germany, sparked. Yeah, we decided, can we try this and die? Our wedding is soon. You're here now. What is happening here? So this time I'd been invited by Father Stephen to talk to the youth. So yeah, after that, they wanted me to get a talking. And that is what is happening. This is in Ruiru. Oh, this is in Ruiru. Yeah. So I was talking to the young, young, young people. All right. Between the age of 18 to 20, I guess, yeah. Wonderful. I like what you're doing to the community at large and what you're doing for yourself and all the best in your wedding. Are we inviting? No. No, invite. What is happening here? So this time I went to two rivers and I was amazed by this guy. You know, Kazine Kazine. This guy is so jovial. You know, this guy here. And he's like, can you take a photo? And he's so excited. This is in two rivers. I mean, these are places where you learn things. But Kazine Kazine, whichever place you are, can you love your job? And I guess that is one of the most important. Kazine Kazine and less respect. Yeah, yeah. What? All right. We have another one right here. So this, what happened is where I live, we have Nyubakumi Initiative. So my friends and the tenants in the same place decided to celebrate me after graduation. And because my mom was not alive and they knew I would have loved her to be there, they drew this thing for me. This is me and this is my mom. Just drawn and it's so pretty. And the fact that the people you didn't know, you're just living in the same neighborhood. I know you cherish this so much. I love it. May her soul rest in peace. Yeah, yeah, I love it. And keep representing her. You've done well so far. Thank you. And keep doing it. So we'll get to the feedback. This is a feedback. Before we sample the feedback. Don't even look at it. Okay. All right. How can they find you on social media? Oh, so I have a page, Dr. Puri Tingina. I have a Facebook or a normal Puri Tewa Gena. I'm on Twitter, Puri Tingina. I'm on Instagram, Puri Tingina. But I guess Facebook is what for me, I love doing. I'm also, I post things online. So I'm in YouTube. Motivational things. Yeah, things, yeah. I, when I wake up and there's something I feel is important, I just throw it out there because I believe everyone needs another voice to remind you why we are all in this planet. All right. Wonderful. So this is from Facebook. We have all in gray. And I say, I'm locked out to Marish. Kinjo Wamaena. Puri, I love you from your home village. It's a must for us. You know this guy? Yeah, yeah, yeah. All right. Shout out to you, Kinjo Wamaena. I know you're proud of Puri Tewa. She made it. Balozi Ken, artist from Kitale, says, I'm locked. Puri, we appreciate everybody who sends the feedback our way. We have Abigail Muiruri says, Karen, Niko Tune Sana. All right. Patrick Kariuke, I say, I'm locked. In Naivasha Tune. Deniso Kongo. Nyamato, I say, I'm Kisi. Niko Tune. I like this fellow, Niko Tune. All right. Someday, Salunis, I say, I'm a Zima man. Baze in. Felix Kiptuya, I say, I'm tuned. Kabisa. Val. Yes, I'm a fan of Val. Waweru, wa signature, I say, I'm present in class. Thank you very much because we have had a class as well. We have had a lesson from Dr. Purity herself. So another question that is coming from one of our viewers here is, what is the difference between a doctor and a professor when all of you have PhDs or PhD holders? There's so much difference. A professor is more advanced career-wise. Because now I'm just a lecturer. But for you to get to the professor, you need to be a senior lecturer. You become an associate professor. All that you need to go through before. Then you become a professor. So what you need to do to get there, first, supervise students. I need to supervise students taking their masters in Biomathematics. I need to supervise a PhD student before I get there. And you have to publish many papers. Actually, for you to grow career-wise, you know, the number of students you teach is a research you do and the quality and the papers you publish. And for me, that is what I want to be known of. If you mentioned Biomathematics then, you should not live puriting Guna. You are taking the blame for it for sure. Yeah, for sure. So that's what I want to do. And more importantly, help other women grow and believe in their own selves and their own skin. You saw the slender verses, whatever, being trending on Twitter. And when I went there, I was like, is it that we are so obsessed with what you see rather than who I am? The objectification. Yes, yes, exactly. Most of us women, we probably want to be defined by what other people see. And that is, for me, I am just like this. I really like myself the way I am. So even when someone come and tell me purity, you need to do this. I really can't do that. I am going to give you a story that is very funny. I had some sofas like this one sometimes. And when I went to Germany, I wanted to shave the house. So I wanted to dispose. I thought I had the best. You know, like the best. You know how you trust in yourself. And do trust in yourself. I told my friend, can we dispose them? And she was like, I don't think anybody is going to buy this one. And I was like, is that the best? Surprisingly, when we posted online, the comment we got, I realized, okay, do I live in a very, in a box that I don't know what people really, you know, the same as Elizabeth Pendula? That means it's a Kitambo. But for me, it shows that whatever I have is what I like. Whatever you have, I celebrate it. But I won't be jealous. And I won't do anything to take it. I'll just be contented with my own skin, my own me. And that is where most of us fail. That is the message you're preaching. I was about to tell you to speak a message of inspiration to the ladies. You already did it without me asking. So one last question. Do you think we are ready for a woman president as a country? We are, we are. I guess everybody, surprisingly, need a woman to, it doesn't have to you marrying a woman, you need, you had the mother, you have sisters, and you need them in your life. So, and you can see that families where the women are there, me raised by a single mother, I can use that as a model to, so how, without the struggle she went through, she made me who I am. Can you imagine if she had, we had her as the president of this country should make this country better. And it's so unfortunate that we're even here to pass the gender rule. So I don't know whether we are here to even appreciate the women we have. But I was reading something that most of the time, we are obsessed with he for she, but should be he for he and she for everybody. Because a woman will grow this country. And I'm not saying that men cannot grow the country. They have done a tremendous job. But we need everybody in board. I mean, one of the person I admire is Monica Juma. There's something in her that I see. And if I'm given a chance to, like, say that this is a president of this country, I would do that because- You can vouch for her. Yeah, yeah, she has so- There's something in her that you can see can move this economy somewhere. That is one of the women that- Thank you very much. Thank you very much. We appreciate you for coming. Keep doing what you're doing. Keep bettering this country. Keep supporting the girl child. Keep supporting the boy child. And keep being an awesome lecturer to your students. Thank you. We appreciate you. Yes, it doesn't get better than this on strength of a woman. Dr. Puri Tingina, if you'd like to read her publications, head straight to Google. Dr. Puri Tingina publications on HIV, right? That's the way to find her publications. She has done so much work on this. And currently she is a lecturer at the Strathmore University. True. And she's looking to become a professor sometimes soon. Six years? Six years from now. Yes, I like the way you're giving me the ad-libs. I like that so much. Karibu Tanako, one in the morning, whenever- You have another agenda to push that you think this country would like to know about, we welcome you to one in the morning. Yes. I go by the name of Bai Mosses, or it's Bai Mone every social media platform. Calla Mival is coming through with Girlstock, so don't touch that out.