 Thank you all for joining. We are very excited with our release of course and yeah everything that is coming. This video will be put online later so you can take your time and watch it again. Of course we have a lot more information in our announcement blog as we already also put live. But for now we first want to answer questions. Now to do that we have Frank, founder CEO here on the other side to that side. And me, I'm Joss, and if you probably know me I do marketing at NexCloud. And yeah there's a whole bunch of questions. The first is somebody already asked can I upgrade my NexCloud Pi to the new version so that's diving right in can I get it? Yeah of course I mean as mentioned in the video we are not a big fan of pre-announcements for everything we showed you in the video earlier. It's available today so you can go to our website and download everything. Sometimes we do special packages for special platforms for example the other rest area applied it was mentioned here. This will come over time so this is not done like today but I'm quite sure it will be in just a few days. All right thank you. Okay there's a question. I read only conversations coming in NexCloud Talk and I was trying to think as I think it's already possible to block guests from speaking or something but I'm not entirely sure what read only conversations exactly means do you? I'm not sure. So we have a feature where the moderator can mute everybody and then people can raise their hands and then you can enable the microphone. This is very useful if you have a call with a lot of people if you're like maybe school university or big conference or something you don't want everybody to speak at the same time so you can do that for audio control. I don't think we have this for chat so if read only means that people can't chat then we don't have this yet but it's actually a very good idea. I have thought about that but it's something you should be ready to add but we have it for audio control. All right somebody asks when is the release? Well half an hour ago. Exactly. So I mean maybe give us a few minutes to update website download service everything but no this is all like now so as I mentioned before I'm quite proud that the next thought we don't really do pre-announcement so everything we showed you today is available today as 100% open source. Somebody pointed out that Nexlut Pi is still on 1902 I guess that's yeah I mean of course these projects are done by volunteers in the community and of course they often have specific needs like I remember with the snap often that they put a couple of the folders of Nexlut in special places and then you know that's not a standard thing in Nexlut so sometimes that breaks and it takes them some time to update to the new version so I guess I'm pretty sure it's the same for Nexlut Pi these these projects that just take a little time to catch up. Of course you can always update manually but yeah in the end it'll come to you I would say. Somebody asks tell me about workflow file but that's a little too vague a question for me to know what to answer. Workflow file also I'll exactly show what it means I mean we have our workflow engine called Nexlut flow it can you can create like rules and you can do this as an admin for everybody or you're a sensitive user and it basically means that you can listen to certain events so it's a certain type of file is uploaded in a certain folder by specific user which is in special elder group with a special size mine type and so on basically we have these triggers and then based on the trigger you can execute actions like sending a notification push notification mail call an external script to do some integration into some other software and convert the file to PDF and so on there are a bunch of those actions in the in another app store appsnexler.com you can have a look and also quite easy to implement those actions so yeah every time you want to react on a certain file change or a new file or some other event and then execute an action that's something you can do also the cool thing is that these actions are executed in the background so they executed in an asynchronous way in the background so it actually doesn't slow down Nexlut I think that's quite quite important some of those workflow engines out there basically mean that a lot of code is executed every time the user does something and this leads to a slow system in this case it's all asynchronous in the background yeah yeah I think flow is really cool feature for us there's a lot more we can do there I'm sure so we got quite a few questions now so we're gonna be here for a while I hope you have no big plans I hope you have no other plans so alright so somebody asked what about single sign on Active Directory for Microsoft and LDAP sync I think we have this right yeah yeah both should work yeah so we have a way to synchronize with LDAP servers they're actually just a lot of things you can do with LDAP we synchronize and cache information for performance reasons because sometimes it's an LDAP server on Active Directory server is slow then in the past it also slowed down the next cloud server which is bad so at the moment other than real versions we cache a lot of information so this is all yeah it's already working I don't know if this is meant with LDAP sync I guess so but and also we integrate into some of the more advanced authentication systems from Microsoft ADFS stuff for example for single sign in I don't know if this was the question but yeah that's already working it should cover I think yeah almost everything yeah so somebody asked about the authoring color for the text editor would be interesting to understand how that's done in the markdown format yeah the answer is not at all unfortunately so this is one of the limitations and we actually had a lot of internal like brainstorming how to do this feature properly I can give you a little bit I don't know if people are interested in your insights because yeah on one hand we are really super happy that we support like markdown as I think it's a nice file format it's contempt compatible on every platform with a lot of apps and it's an open standard very easy to read and it's we really like markdown it's a nice format of course there is no there is no way to store this kind of editing information in the markdown file format so we were thinking about ways to do that so we were thinking about introducing extending the standard with something like that but this would basically kill readability because if you then in the middle have like some kind of like in a diff file right where in the middle you have like a section that okay this person says that makes it quite unreadable we were thinking maybe we can code information like in the bottom of the file like in a JSON structure in a binary not readable format but this look would look like quite ugly so we also did what that so what we're doing at the moment we are storing this editing information on the server independently from the file and if you are working with the file next lot text and sharing it and collaborating with it syncing with it all the all the editing information stays there but if the server the bit if the file leaves the server and you change it locally and then you uploaded to the server then the editing information is gone the colors are basically gone that's how it is but we thought that this is the best the best compromise and introducing a feature which is not supported in the open standard yeah I yeah it's always finding a middle ground there right there are a lot of other features in markdown that would be nice to have but yeah it's sometimes difficult to find the right way of doing it in markdown without making it unreadable of course these colors that would just not look good I think I mean the whole idea of markdown is that it's readable but there's a human and as a machine that's yeah that means certain things are just not feasible yeah so yeah somebody asked what is your high performance back end I don't really understand so yeah so basically the I think you're I did a really good job in the video trying to explain it but at the end of the day we only wanted to spend like a few minutes in the video and also didn't want to bore the people who are not deep in the technology with that so I would recommend that everybody has a look at our independent blog posts that we publish on our website where we just have a lot more technical detail how this actually work the summary from my side is basically that we use just a lot of different technologies next to us for the different use cases obviously we use like all content technologies like JavaScript and UJS and iOS with Objective-C and Android with Java and Kotlin and so on and then the back end we also use a bunch of different technologies there's a lot of PHP code that we use for the collaboration features because PHP is like a high-level scripting language so it's quite fast and easy to develop powerful features as you can see in the release but there are also some things where we use Go for example because Go in our talk high performance back end very fast language for handling lots of connections but it's a bit more low level and then in this case we use Rust and we also have other components there's something with a sit bridge as written in C++ and just a bunch of different technologies and we have the strategy that we use the right job in this case so in this case it's Kotlin that we use for this extension and the strategy here is that we use this as an optional component together with the PHP code so one of the goals of next load always was that it should be really super easy to start like the earlier question was in Raspberry Pi right you can run the Raspberry Pi with just minimal configuration that's super easy to be important for us but I've done if you scale to a lot of users in the case that Dr. Hilfmann present in the video for example where they have a lot of users then of course you can add all those components and get more speed and scalability but yeah then you have to install more components that's very the strategy in this case the high performance back end for files is an optional component if you just have like 10, 20, 30, 50 users and a small instance you don't care it's fine but if you have more then you can install it at this building but again as I said more in the blog post. Yeah I want to apologize for the typing my keyboard is indeed mechanical and bloody loud sorry for that I will well try mute while I type so I'm trying to reorganize the questions a little bit because we got quite a few questions related to the performance and I thought we should try and go over those together so somebody asked I have a small next slide for only two users will there be a noticeable performance boost for this kind of installation I think that's a good question probably not probably not especially not if you if you have the desktop and the desktop line really benefits from these changes and also if you have used the web interface heavily with tabs open and they're all like communicate with the back end constantly then you also get some performance improvement but I think in the small installation it's probably not a huge difference but you can try and experiment but I want to point out that this back end has also a usability improvement not only the performance because you get notifications instantly so every time notice yes that's what you will notice so every time someone mentions you in a chat she has a file with you you get a notification from your admin or you again calendar or base coming up all those things you get it like immediately now instead of average 15 seconds later I mean for most people 15 seconds is not a big deal but it has its benefit of having instant push notifications on all tracks yeah exactly I think that's that makes it still worthwhile for a private user because he's instant not the case especially if you use an extra talk for example this is super useful so that's yeah that's really helpful I will personally do that even though it's a bit of work with reverse proxy and all that fun stuff that's just how it is so somebody asked will there be a technical blog post with more details about the performance improvement and extra 21 the answer is yes it's already out you can go and read it so yeah yeah so there's yeah our technical team together with yours and other people did a great job with trying to summarize that of course it's possible that there's still details missing in this case I would encourage everybody to start a thread in our forum to discuss this further or of course in the in the GitHub repository if you're really a developer technical person there's also the place where you can talk directly about specific code directly with the engineers yeah we got asked if next 21 is compatible with php8 and that's a quick one yes it is yes yes it is we did a lot of work and testing and it is compatible yes and gives you a nice performance boost right because especially for larger servers php8 deals very well with a lot of more concurrent requests which of course but next cloud is good at so additionally to the all the performance improvement in our code that we did that you just showed in the video and additionally to the performance improvements you get with this high performance backend you also get busy all the php improvements just basically just upgrade triple win I think is the docker does the docker build include the rust backend I guess not yet because it's out for 45 minutes but it should I mean it should that's why not I mean and now the community who is maintaining our docker images like they are super active I mean you just have to look at what's going on and get out there so I have no doubt that this is a matter of I don't know a few days yeah exactly I was actually excited because for the for the announcement we announced like shortly a few hours before the release we did a blog post about a bunch of new team members and I was also looking at some statistics for our announcement of how Nexla did in 2020 and I was very excited to see that we had 500 million pools already on docker so it was like let's see what it was in our previous announcement and that was a hundred million so you know it's pretty nice that we went from like well zero to 100 million in the first three ish three and a half years of Nexla and then in one year we went from a hundred million to 500 million so it tells you how quick the use of the docker container is growing it's really popular yeah I look forward to see when we hit the one billion so next question it seems you work a lot with German companies how large is your global effort so I mean two things first of all Nexla is a real international community with a lot of users and contributed some all over the world so if you just look at people in the forum or at different github or in social media or blocking in the press then you can really see that we have like users everywhere really from like I don't know the tiniest town somewhere in Africa to I don't know every big big city all over the world but this is just our open source community right this is just don't have any statistics that just people use our software of course then as a company we are also working together with organizations to help them to scale the next load instance and to make it secure and nicely configured and so on and as a company we also have like customers from all over the world probably the biggest country is like still Germany that says something to do because of the roots of Nexcloud but really like the rest of Nexcloud the rest of Europe there's a lot of Nexcloud there are other continents too it's really all over the world and yeah this is growing nicely we also published another blog post today so a lot to read where we talk a little bit about the company momentum so in 2019 we already doubled our order intake and 2020 we did the same so yeah everything we do is really growing growing nicely and I'm really happy that of this support contracts that we sell to these customers we can also then hire more developers to make our Nexcloud software better so yeah I think everybody wins here yeah I was quite happy to put this blog live this morning with I think 13 new people who joined us in the last three months yeah it's growing quickly this way so the next question let me see is there a plan to improve the document community server there are some bugs so this is about the only office document server which is definitely less maintained than the collaborator online one yeah so we we are working with that trying to fix the bugs there to be totally honest we are a little bit restricted from our partners on the office because they're not putting every improvement out as open source some of the improvements they only share with their paying customers so that's a bit of a restriction we have there there's nothing we can do unfortunately but we are actively working on that if you have like significant problems bugs there would also encourage you to try Collabra online which is an alternative which should have similar functionality and it's maybe a little bit more actively maintained but yeah of course you're trying to improve everything so we got a question about the virtual drive what is the status of this yeah yeah so this is this functionality a feature that to be totally honest took us quite some time to develop it was like in the in the planning for quite some time but I'm really happy that the last few months we really put a lot of effort into that to launch that and make it really nice and good and there's a pre-release available actually I'm not really sure if it's called better or if not then just use the daily builds yeah the daily builds at the moment yeah yeah so the daily builds has this functionality built in I would encourage everybody who's interested in that to try it and and the final the final is scheduled to be out in just really few weeks so really really close but a really close to final version is already in the in the daily build so just have a look I had a question about the whiteboard can I insert pictures into the whiteboard and the answer is yes you can yes I believe that's video support as well but I think both for pictures and video you need to install some libraries on your server some tools like image magic and ffmpeg so yeah if you have them then it'll work if not then you get a warning yeah but inserting like inserting a picture for example is a very popular feature so you can just post a picture some document some drawing something and then you can collaborate around that you can like mark pieces of it or two arrows or write text to it mark it do some mark up around it actually it's also a feature that is like often requested by schools and universities who use use this for remote learning um so um yeah I expect that this will be a very popular feature yeah absolutely I think the whiteboard is really cool it's um I mean a lot of people of course keep notes with an extra text I think I have a text file open with every call I have pretty much but um yeah sometimes you need a bit more free form and the presentation mode is of course really cool because you can zoom in and out and then if you have presentation mode on then all participants will see the same thing as you see so you kind of guide everyone around the whiteboard so that's that's really nice um so a question about a few questions we have about nexla talk um one is does nexla talk work work between different servers so um again it's a bit complicated um because it depends what's meant with that so first of all in nexla talk um you can of course have a share link and send it to someone and by clicking on the link the person can be part of the chat conversation on the audio and video call and the person doesn't need to have an account on the specific server the person can have different server so this already works today um but I guess what's meant there is like full federation where you have like you're basically using your server and another person using different server and you have a shared chat conversation and audio video call between people on different servers without clicking on any external links um so this is basically the full federation support and this is actually actively developed on at the moment and um yeah again as I said earlier we don't want to do any free announcements we don't want to create vaporware we only share and talk about things that are done but I'm happy to say that we are working on exactly that and it should come back soon cool I just heard that people hear me type even when I'm muted which is I'm sorry streaming software it's all new for me I'm sure I can figure out a way to prevent that going forward but I'll just try not to type too much so a bunch more questions about talk one of them is I will implement nexla talk notifications for the desktop mac windows and linux and I think that that is actually now done with the rust backend right then you get yeah yeah I to be honest it should work already with the old version but only with the delay yeah because in the old version we didn't have like real push notifications to all clients so of course it was a bit unfortunate because I don't know getting a notification that you're running out of quota or mention a chat message if you get a notification 15 seconds too late it's probably not a big deal but if someone calls you yeah and you get like a call notification only like 15 seconds later then that's that's obviously a problem because other people might have given up already and this is something that we also socialize again because you get a nice pop-up on your desktop when someone calls you immediately or what half a second later and then the web interfaces works too so in the web interface you now also get a real-time notification that somebody starts a call with you and that used to not be the case so that's yeah that's really helpful I think exactly now the next question says in the past talk calls all participants in the mobile apps when I start a video call can I switch this off now yes there are I mean I think we all agree that we want to have like a real call notification if there's a one-on-one call coming in like a real phone that for group conversation this is a this is a feature that is debatable some people prefer it on some people prefer it off it was off in the past we switched it to default on we might we might do a conflict option for that I mean I I'm personally not a big fan of too many buttons and conflict options but this seems to be a clear case from my perspective which people have different preferences yeah so we'll probably do a conflict option for that for group what calls and can you configure this in the side watch settings at the moment I think you can configure that for for chat messages yeah if you want to get a notification notification for every message or if you mentioned in the channel or not at all that you can configure I'm not sure you can configure that for VoIP push notifications on the phone yeah I don't think so probably needed yeah yeah um is there a breakout room functionality coming to talk I think we kind of have that with just direct conversations right you can yes you can if you in a conversation and you go to participants list and see all the other topic just you can click on the person and say start a call and then you have a new window with a separate breakout conversation we sort of have that but that's the real feature as you might know it from I don't know Microsoft and Google and others that's something that's also coming we don't have it yet you can conveniently say hey breakout conversation you mark like 10 people and then basically in one with one click moved into a parallel room um that's something we want to do yeah later this year in talk can the video or chat be detached I don't get it detached so so in in the browser with YouTube for example depending on the browser also you can like pop out the video that it's in a separate window yeah um I mean I think it's browser dependent I think it works in Firefox so Firefox has a dedicated feature for that and that's actually working where you can start a call and then you get like this button click on it and then detach it and have the call in parallel to some other stuff that's working and you can also have a call in your sidebar while you are doing other stuff in next cloud for example editing I don't know word file collaboratively and then have the call in the sidebar in the chat inside bar I don't know if this counts as the chat videos um not in a generic way more in the context but yeah I mean if you have any concrete ideas how what you expect there maybe just open a ticket in the talk repository to describe the feature how it exactly should work but I mean talk is something the talk project we started as something that should be in addition to the rest of the collaboration features so if there's a way to I don't know do things and have a call and chat and everything in parallel I find it's super interesting so just open a ticket and describe how this should work this would be super helpful yeah so next question also not entirely sure what the user is missing um so when talk can use multiple sessions from one user even only in chat so I know right now you can have like multiple you can be in multiple chat rooms at the same time just in tabs but I do also know that one user cannot be in the same chat room from like their mobile phone and the tablet and their browser so that's probably what the user here means yeah that's exactly as you're said um you can have um different browsers different tabs you phone your tablet um basically working in parallel in in in extra talk have different conversations on different devices at the same time what you can't have at the moment is that you are like in a chat conversation or a video call on your phone and you have that in your desktop at the same time basically in the same conversation on different devices that's what meant here with the session support I guess um I know that the team is looking into ways to do that it is a bit tricky because then you also have to stream the video like for the same user to different devices and so on it's a bit tricky but um yeah that's something people like to be totally honest originally I thought that no one will need that but it seems that people really I don't know have five different devices and ten conversations and jumping around and yeah it seems that you really want to have that it it I don't know I was today in a call with my team and I was using my tablet for the call um and then you know Marie was like oh I pasted this in the chat and I wanted to open the link on my desktop and I go there and then I have a choice between closing the video call on the tablet or viewing the link so yeah that makes sense okay but it's it's not something you need all the time and you can't work without but sometimes that is useful I suppose yeah on the other hand it can also cause confusion because I sometimes have like if you have a chat open in the in the tab somewhere you don't really get notifications because of course it's already open and then you might miss that somebody said something there and of course yeah right now if I click there and then I get the warning like oh but you have the session open then I know I still had it open and I probably missed messages and now you wouldn't get a warning anymore so yeah I don't know for the people for the people who have like 1000 tabs open in the browser and yep yeah and you have all every conversation open on some tabs somewhere exactly yeah then you might might miss notifications yes so yeah there's that it's complicated as usual um all right I think that covers mostly talk somebody suggests that we need a streaming app for next cloud 22 so we can do this next time in next cloud if I know I know I actually expected more questions about that why are we really using youtube here for this announcement and in a way it is a bit weird um because yeah next cloud we are promoting open source and free software and decentralization and hosting this sort of and so on yeah of course next cloud is primarily a tool like for smaller group to work together millions more can also be millions of users work together but not a Clovis service for next cloud it's not a Clovis streaming service and we will most likely never become I mean I would say definitely not don't say never but it's like no no no we will not become a global video streaming service that's not the vision sorry yeah so we'll always use other software and platforms for that and at the moment yeah even google yeah sorry yeah it's just being pragmatic I think we can't do everything I know some people say oh but you build almost everything but we actually try to focus on collaboration for teams as you'll say and this is important somebody asked are there any changes to the calendar app I we have a long changelog to be honest I mean in our announcement we only covered the big stuff but that is on our server there is a full changelog too where it goes through all the changes I assume there's also some stuff happening in calendar but to be honest I'm not completely sure at the moment yeah I'm not sure either and you know I wrote in house blog so yeah yeah so usually cover like the big the big improvements and the calendar is yeah well it's not a big focus for this release was not a focus for this really exciting yeah so here's a question the kbv that's a German privacy related organization I guess they said medical practices in Germany cannot use office in the cloud anymore is there a solution from next cloud for this new guideline I don't know who asked this question because it's so it's so perfect because I think we actually launched a solution for that a week ago I don't know it was just a coincidence or I don't know but we actually started the project together with Harvard Medical School where you can host your personal medical data share it with people like your doctor without giving me full control and without giving away or any control to any cloud service or big corporations yeah and there's actually a solution for that if you go to ebbsternextcloud.com latest updates they should be relatively high on the list I don't have a link here at the moment sorry but yeah it's look at ebbsternextcloud.com there's hundreds of those specialized apps and there is definitely a new one for exactly that problem yeah that's for private data I think this question was aiming more for medical practice like a doctor's office but of course for that next cloud itself is the solution right I mean as a doctor you can run it well on premise under your control exactly so next load is it's a general purpose collaboration tool so calendar chat video calling file exchange project management all the all the things are available and I assume most of those features are also usable for doctors but of course we are not a specialized doctor's like office management tool I think they are specialized tools for that yeah but we have just channel purpose solution yeah exactly but of course if if the rule is you can't use put your docs on google docs then install next cloud with colabra and you can do the same things but if your data stay secure and compliant and you know save which of course yeah big advantage so do you have plans to add oalth to scopes or oe dash dc um I can answer a lot of questions for that I have no clue sorry for that I know that we support oalth too probably not this specific sub feature that was mentioned there I I can't not say anything about that I'm sorry do you know what it is yeah if I recall I mean you have right now our support I think is that you can like of course use your next cloud server to log in to one of those I think for oalth there is also that next cloud can be an oalth provider I think there's an app for that as well no no as I said so that covers I mean but I think this question was well some specific sub feature so scopes or o IDC open yeah oh IDC I don't know it yeah it might be oh IDC open ID connect is this what ah yeah I guess so yeah that's also that's that's also truly supported there's an open ID connect that there we are that's fully supported already done that those are the best features that people can ask about so then there's a question if there's any news about s3 storage for this version um there is yeah um there's actually a lot of work went to went into the s3 connector and it became a lot faster and I think I think even just cover that in the video as far as I know actually there are some situations where the s3 connector became like crazy fast um because we reduced the number of round trips between the storage and the next cloud application server and this is something in bigger cluster situations can be has a huge impact if you just reduce the round trips there I just can you add something about the specific improvements I think it was a really really high number if you if configured correctly yeah so there are I think if I recall correctly there were two improvements there uh two bigger ones and some smaller things so one of the bigger ones was that if you copy a file um it used to be that to to copy a file then you know it would be sent to the next cloud server and then put back on storage again and now next cloud supports like the direct the the apis from s3 so that the copy happens on the server and well you know that takes roughly equally long for a one kilobyte file compared to a one terabyte file while obviously pumping a one terabyte file to the next cloud server and then back to the storage takes a long time so you can put any number on that improvement a thousand times sure can be done if the file is big enough so that that makes a big difference of course in in some specific use cases um and the other improvement I think had to do with latency in in some situations uh we had one customer where you had a really high latency right yeah I think it is to check if a bucket is correctly configured right that one too it's basically before every request before the s3 storage was accessed there were basically check happening if this bucket exists and it's readable and everything and um yeah it doesn't make sense to check this all the time um so there's a switch now where you can can configure that maybe it makes sense to have to check while configuration but once this is all set up you don't need to do the check whatever a thousand times a second so if you switch this off uh often you have um reduced the latency in the performance yeah yeah use the latency and improve the performance you reduce latency and performance but yeah yeah that's also what I remember um so there's not a next a talk question uh can we have retention policies and I'm guessing that's about the chat of course um so I think it depends on what the policy is I guess what is meant there which is something I hear from time to time is that a message is sort of then older than a certain time are automatically deleted um I think if you want that you can probably do this with a super simple shell script it's a cron job to be honest um because you just check the the comments table and just delete everything um after a certain time stand um we don't have this in a nice fancy click interface at the moment um something we probably can do but if you not if you need that you can just directly go in there and just do a with one with a one line a square command if you want um saying that there's also coming in the next version um that's also featured to delete messages um basically if you have a type or something you can delete a message and set it again that's also coming yeah I got a few more questions um just getting a little messy here because I'm trying not to type um any improvements to actual photos especially sorting and performance so there's more going on um I think we had no time to do a lot of improvements for this this release um but it is really high on the list um I mean I use it myself I hear from other people that if you really have a lot of files really big files then some operations can be slow um that's something we want to improve in the in the future um yeah yeah I can I encourage everybody to participate like on github in the repository there if you have any feedback or suggestions to that it's um yeah but I agree it is something that can be better so very important question until how long will frank able to know every feature in next cloud I think the times are long over yeah exactly no no no no no no this is like this is this is the times are long long over I already remembers yeah sorry no I'm happy that I have could more or less answer most of the questions here but no no times are a lot over we have so many people now inside our team outside the core team working on things and uh no this is like this how it should be it's a real big community project yeah exactly there's the wider community doing things as well you know suddenly you see like an iOS app for password pop-up like happened last week you know like nobody knew it was coming and then bang suddenly it's there it is there's so much happening it is just impossible to keep track of everything yeah writing a complete new iOS app to accessing um passwords from an xbox that's that's nothing you do in half an hour right so that's a big project exactly and it just and it just and it just happened which popped up by our super super super awesome community yeah absolutely I indeed these things yeah and and even I know some of the features there's so much xbox can do in a corner hidden here or there um I find interesting like um you often we get questions on twitter you know like can xbox do x or how do I do x and very often it is possible so yeah you know um you mentioned file locking in today's presentation this feature works well in the web interface what about desktop client support yeah that's actually something that uh we discussed and there are there's a github issue about that how they should work it is more complicated people might think um um because file locking is usually a feature um that you um I mean the worst case would be if your file is locked and you want to work with a file but you can't because it's locked that's something you want to avoid and this is all no problem if the file is just locked because someone is editing at this moment um on their phone or desktop or whatever the thing is our desktop client has the design goal to work completely offline so the goal of the desktop client is that you can have a synchronization with your server and then you I don't know go into a plane remember planes like long time ago um yeah the good old days the good old days yeah or trains um in in Germany without internet um and then you can work with your stuff and then once your internet again you think the change is there and if you do if you combine this with file locking then um you can easily come up with situations where file is locked when it should be and then a file is also not unlocked it should be so this is complicated but there's a discussion around that how to support that problem yeah I'm seeing the check there's somebody who is asking how to validate a file from many users with workflow user to user or group but I'm I'm not sure we just talked about workflow I'm not I'm still not clear what exactly the question is I mean yeah what is validate validate validate a file from many users I think there's a bit of a language problem happening here may might be automatic translation you can um if a file is changed you can call an internal script and do something whatever this validation get a notification or get a message in the chat room yes so this is possible a workflow totally and if validation means checking for a virus for example there's also features of that antivirus so yeah so not completely clear what validation means but there are a lot of things you can do somebody asked if the browser notification could be a little louder like in slack because I sometimes hardly notice it I don't know do we control that or is that just a browser feature louder so the thing is as far as I know that for restrictions of modern browsers we can actually not play a sound in the desktop app so okay I'm only 90% sure not 100% but as far as I understand the modern browsers basically can only play sounds directly as a result of an action like a click of a user but for notifications what you want is you do something or you do nothing with the video and adjust and suddenly plays a sound because notification is coming in as far as I understand that this is something that is restricted because yeah well otherwise browser windows would play stupid videos all the time right you don't want that but I think we can't do that but um yeah we can do this with the desktop client true yeah exactly so somebody asks about improvements in mail somebody also asking about a long mail conversation writing reply messages can be terrible if mail has improved and we already had Christoph worst one of the mail developers reply in the chat that mail has many improvements planned we already talked wrote a little bit about it in our announcement and I think the release of the next dot mail app will be in the next days or weeks so there's a lot of improvements coming right yeah the mail app is actually one of the focus areas at the moment and if you just look at the improvement of the last few versions you can see that there's there's a lot coming in functionality in performance and to do in the face everything and and there's a new version as as Christoph pointed out there's a new version of the mail app coming very soon um yeah if you want to really see what's going on have a look at or if it's a proposal there's also a change doc file you can look there but there is um there's a lot coming so next one is a cool one I'd love to program my own app for next cloud awesome but I have no idea where to start and how could you upload a basic tutorial on youtube well done right yeah so not yeah no I think we had like if you for example look at the conference videos from the next conference from last year um we had like at least one talk um recorded video I think it was by you use uh how to start how to write your first uh next cloud head I think you're right yes now that's true yeah we did that yeah all right um uh matter bridge sounded so nice when you try to set it up but it's easy really clumsy and a lot of stuff is outdated do you have any plans forward now I would already point out that we actually improved the matter bridge in integration for this release so I'm going to next slot 21 should help um but of course keep improving it yeah there's um there's a lot of improvements happened there especially the use in the phase was um completely uh redone and it's a lot better now so um yeah have a look at how it looks and works in next slot 21 yeah and submit issues and help out right you can get involved um two more questions because I think we should draw an end to this it's been more than an hour now um oh wow yeah yeah yeah time goes quick when you're having fun so uh is there a forum that we can integrate into next cloud I know there's talk but not a forum and yeah forum I there is some discourse integration I think with next cloud but not yeah but the discord integration is that you get like nice notifications and search and stuff inside next cloud about stuff that's happening in a forum I don't know I mean a forum is by design like a public website where everybody can communicate together and next cloud is by design private workspace so I am not sure if we should turn next cloud into a forum I'm not sure yeah I agree I mean there are elements that are public which another question actually touches on about CMS Pico if that will work in next slot 21 because that's of course one of these apps that gives you well the ability to create a public page and not exactly a forum but you know yeah but it's like yeah the Pico CMS is really cool so if you want to have some data I don't know maybe maybe you work in a university and doing some research and you want to publish some papers or some other information that the Pico CMS does is really cool but this will never become a tool where you really want to run the real website on I mean this is right next next cloud will not become a forum and next that will not become WordPress exactly discourse is a very good forum use it and WordPress is a great WordPress yeah and there are other CMS systems for that and yeah I don't think that's the mission of next cloud right because there's now somebody asking do you have plans for an official wiki in next clouds yeah wiki maybe but like like an internal like knowledge-based things yeah sure and maybe someone is interested in contributing with that there are also there's some pieces in place actually yes the next lot text our markdown editor we can link to other documents we can link from one document to another so it is already a little bit like a wiki and if someone wants to help to improve that I think this is an interesting idea yeah absolutely um let's see what what people are doing in the future absolutely yes that is that's already again should be then like an internal knowledge-based thing we also we also not recreating Wikipedia yeah exactly um yeah we already talked about this but somebody asks about the progress of Kailona on next cloud well that's what we just announced right last week um last week Monday the private healthcare data management app um there will be more news on them because they're of course making very fast progress and implementing more features um and after the call for testing I think we want to do you know help them announce well what their next step is so that's coming soon um if you don't mind um I mean there are many more questions and we'd love to answer but um you know it's been almost an hour and a half um so I'd like to end it I want to thank everybody for their attention for bearing with me as my first in my first streaming experience sorry for the keyboard clicking and everything else um we'll do better next time I promise I also promise I will be next time because I think it's wonderful to have an opportunity to talk to all of you answer questions um because as as I see now there's so many more questions they would love to answer um but yeah um let's just do this the next time thank you yeah and if you have other questions maybe just the forum is a nice place to ask a lot of questions absolutely absolutely yeah of course always on social media you can ask us and we try to answer that as well um yeah then thank you everyone we really look forward to hearing your feedback about nexa 21 what you think about it uh whether it does what well you hoped it will do and everything else and we'd love to see what you will do with it I'm sure it's gonna be glorious have a wonderful day everyone take care bye