 Hello, welcome to Tobby TV Everton podcast. Cam is back for the Nedcan podcast edition. It's going to be a bit of a therapy session, to be honest. The season's over, probably the worst season for a while. Just before we start, breaking news, breaking news to us. Ben Godfrey has been included in the 33-man's provisional squad for the Euro 2020, 2021. 100%! He's been immense this season, hasn't he? Hopefully he's part of the full squad that goes, because it's nothing less than what Ben deserves. He's come in in the summer, and I don't think any of us really had any real expectation. I remember sitting there when we signed him, thinking he's probably going to be one for the future. He might have been playing awful a lot this season, and little did we know he's come in. He's been absolutely phenomenal, hasn't he? From playing at left back when we needed him to, centre back, right back. More often than not, he's putting in 8-9 out of 10 performances. He's had the odd couple of games here and there where he struggled, but you expect that for a 22-year-old, but his physicality, his strength, his pace, his passion, his mentality, everything is absolutely spot on. Ben Godfrey is the mould of player that Evanton should be looking at buying. Again, in the summer, in fact, we should be looking at buying two, three, four more of Ben Godfrey, and yet he absolutely deserves it. He deserves it as much, if not more than anybody else. He's a perfect player for me. He's got the athleticism, he's got the physique, he's got the pace, and most importantly for me, he's got a bit of hunger in him. He's prepared to fight for his own teammates, he's a little battler, and I think his attitude is spot on. And I think he's, I just hope he doesn't get injured if he does go, but I just pray for him. But I am happy for him. But I suppose he's the perfect player for Gareth as well, if you want to play that back three. Especially if he wants Trent in there playing wing back. Godfrey right centre-back with his recovery pace, and how good he is at, he's a brilliant centre-back. I think he can be a main man in a back three. He can play that Kyle Walker role that we saw in the 2018 World Cup. Absolutely. Well that's the whole business, the whole business that he's not just in there because Gareth Southgate's named 33 players, which is I think practically every England player, that place in the Premier League. So I hope he's not just being put in there for the sake of, you know, we'll throw him in to give him a little bit of a confidence boost, but then he'll be taken out, because he should be in that England squad for the Euros. It's not just the case of, you know, he's in there because, you know, the other space for him, he's in there because he's had a fantastic season, and he's got something to offer that England team. I'm not a massive international football fan, but I'm made up for Ben himself as I'm made up for Dominic Calvert-Lun and Jordan Pickford, who have also been included, and, you know, we know Dominic and Jordan will definitely be going to the Euros, and I hope it's the same for Ben, because like you said, he's got a role, he's got a place in that squad, he's got a place in that team, and, you know, if you're an opposition fan and you're genuinely looking at it, thinking why has Ben gone free in there, then you don't watch football, it's as simple as that. You don't understand football because he's been one of the best centre-backs in the country this season, and, you know, especially for Everton, he's saved us on a number of occasions, hasn't he? With his versatility. Do you think Michael Keane will be gutted he got left out? I don't think, probably, yeah, because he wasn't very happy when he got left out of the last team. Do you think he'd really deserve to be in it, though? I don't think my, the problem is with Michael Keane, is I think last week summed up Michael Keane perfectly. On Thursday he was absolutely phenomenal, and he put in one of the best defensive performances he put in all season, and three days later against Manchester City he was everywhere, and I get it's Manchester City and they're the best team in the world, et cetera, but just the simple things, like running into five men in the middle of the park and giving the ball away, and, you know, them counting and scoring, or allowing a five full four stage of a grid, also scoring at the one your centre-back. That goes back to what I said last week, the most thickest team, the decision making, shocking, and then a week later he's trying to take on the whole midfield off of Manchester City City, he was possibly the best midfield in the Premier League. That's why he's not in the squad, and look, yes he probably will be disappointed, disappointed, and like Michael Keane's biggest issue is his consistency, and the fact that he's a confidence player, one week you can get an unbelievable Michael Keane, and the next week you can get a liability, and you can't really, especially if you want him to go on win a tournament, you can't really be reliant on players like that, you need players that you know what you're going to get, you know, game in game out, and that's what kind of self-gate would have wanted, and you mean let's be honest there's Evertonians who's had a better season Michael Keane o Ben Goffrey, it's Ben Goffrey, so he shall be in there over him, don't get me wrong, there's some other players and centre backs that kind of self-gaters included and seems to really like which I think Michael Keane probably would have something to say about, but they certainly don't play for Everton, so yeah, look, he probably is disappointed as I'm sure he should be, but again it should be motivation for him to do better. You talk about England the whole podcast. I don't even like England, but it's so much better than talking about England. No do I, but it's just another, same as last season I suppose, we ended the season in typical Everton of fashion, it just felt like after the West Brom game at the Hawthorns it was, it was, it was impossible to finish outside of Europe and to finish 10th, I suppose because it's you know the last game of the season it could have gone you know out of the way with the results if we got a 1 we could have finished, actually I don't even think we could have finished 7th because Tottenham wouldn't be, we could have finished, like at least it came down to the last day where it could have gone, if other fixture went our way and I was, then it could, and we didn't have to play Man City, yeah exactly, then it could have been, well I imagine you say that we could have played Sheffey United, it wouldn't have been much better. I said before the game I was more confident playing City away than anybody at home and then, yeah exactly, it was a testimony Hard crushing, but it's like you know we came to the, went all the way to the last game of the the season and it could have gone we finished 7th or we finished 10th and we just finished 10th because of our own doing you know turning up and putting that display on against City was just beyond impartial, pathetic really, absolute zero fight, it wasn't like we'd turn up for a testimonial It was, that's all it was, like oh your last Premier League game is it Aguero? That's all it was, go ahead, it was just, I know we've been, we know we've been bad We lost four away games but we won six at home so imagine a team finishing 7th and getting to your with six homings and we know we've been poor, we know we've been inconsistent and good at times and we know it's been a really up and down season but it still hasn't sunk in that we finished, I know it doesn't matter where we finished up because we didn't get your up anyway but it still hasn't sunk in that we finished 10th because it's like we've been up in like you know top four and top six or top seven it's just it was made up for us to finish in the top six or seven and we like we've just lost so many, I don't want to say bottled it because it's not like we got ourselves into a perfect position and we just kept losing all our own games that you, the games that you'd expect us to win and I suppose it's typical evidence of to let us down I suppose but yeah we we didn't bottle it because we didn't have the the backbone, the spine, the ability probably to get into that position to bottle it, we were never there comfortably and we went yeah okay we're six points ahead of you know I don't know West Ham in 7th or Arsenal in 7th or something so we're with four games to go, we were never in that position because every time we had the chance to get to that position you know you could say we bottled it but we didn't, we felt a bit, we completely felt the pieces and no I was disgraced mate it was an awful awful embarrassing embarrassing performance and you know there was a stacked floating about on Sunday afternoon after the game it was that before and I don't know if this is effectively correct but I'm assuming it is before Sunday Everton hadn't dropped lower than ninth in the Premier League table and we finished 10th so for the entire, well for the first 37 games of the season for the entire season from September to the start or August whenever it was to Sunday we hadn't finished, we hadn't dropped lower than ninth position in the table and yet the last game of the season when the final whistle's blown we finished 10th that if that's not evident then I don't know what is but no you're right it was it was shocking mate it was a testimonial game there's a reason why Sergio Aguero said to Pep Guardiola I don't want to start this game and that's because he knew that even coming on with 10 minutes to go he was going to score at least two and get man of the match which is exactly what he did um I've got no issue with losing to Manchester City did an incredible footballing team the goals that they scored the first one we couldn't get anywhere near any of them and the brain had just slotted comfortably the second one is is a Michael Keane error but the counter attack so good there's no embarrassment by losing to that Manchester City team who let's be honest with ourselves at the best team in the world and are probably going to go and sample Chelsea on Saturday it's the way in which we lost it's the fact that we bothered we didn't bother to turn up and show any fight show any pass it was like we've turned up and gone oh yeah we'll be party you're having a party today are you it is it is a guero's last game you're lifting the title will you know we'll we'll turn up we'll be involved in it I said it on twitter after the game mate it was like when them people turned up at kids parties dressed as princesses and marvel characters and that that's what we were we were just the entertainment we were just the punch bag we were the dartboard we were there to get laughed at while everybody else had it as a wonderful time and we could have spoiled that party on Sunday we could have turned up battled with them fought with them goth physical with them and if we didn't win we could have at least made them think do you know what that was a tough game it had what a big game at the weekend I said this the other day imagine you're going first five minutes you put a couple of tough challenges in on Kevin De Bruin he gets up and he's thinking I've got the biggest game in my career on Saturday I don't want to really risk this for a non you know a non a game against Evan that means absolutely nothing to any of us other than other than those Evan players and I get that you could say you will tackle players you've got to get near them camp but we never even looked like we were interested in doing defensively we were abysmal the midfield was shocking the forward line again didn't get much but you weren't very good either Guilfee Sigarton I think completely bottled in under pressure with the penalty I think I think we see two sides of everything this week I think we saw a side of everything against Wolves on Thursday which was a team that reacted positively to a crowd and a side of everything on Sunday which was a team that reacted negatively to a crowd we completely and utterly shot ourselves and people say Man City haven't got no fans this that I knew that we absolutely crapped ourselves when we turned up at the Etihad because of the crowd because of the the the situation the fact they were lifting the trophy and we couldn't we couldn't deal with it we couldn't cope with it and like I said it was it was utterly utterly embarrassing you wouldn't have thought that team had anything to play for and now we're sitting here in a season in which we've got 59 points which has been our highest points total since the season we finished seventh under Ronald Cuman only only second highest since Roberto Marte or I think it's the the only yeah the second highest since Roberto Marte in as a season where he finished fifth um repeating Liverpool and Anfield Tottenham away Arsenal away I've had an amazing away record um and we've still managed to finish 10th and below Leeds who I don't think I've had that great of a season below Arsenal who their manager fans are calling for their manager's ed we've finished below them it's just and I know you you might say you can't take really the the league table into that much consideration because we were what two points away from sixth well but with the highest point score in 10th place to ever exactly and it don't be only the evidence record breaking mediocrity yeah but no we we didn't we didn't help ourselves we really didn't again I'm not I'm not we could have been sitting here today saying we lost that game against City but at least we showed a bit of fight at least we made it tough for them at least they're going into Saturday Champions League thinking you know what we could have done without that game against Everton and yet we we might have still finished 10th but we can say we've gone out we've had a difficult game and we've gone out with a big effort and other results have gone against us but we didn't we were laughed at for the entire game don't know if anybody listened on Sky Sports but Gary Neville and Martin Tyler practically laughed at us for for 90 minutes that's all he did he just laughed at us all look at everything always Tyler was screaming agwer out every time he touched the ball I mean what's that about agwer out like I said five foot seven or whatever he is five foot eight score on headers above six foot three Michael Keane six foot two Ben Goffrey you know we love Ben Goffrey and we've just praised him but he had a poor game the other day it was it was it was everything that embodies the weak the fetus mentality that is this football club at the moment that needs that needs to be getting rid of as soon as possible and anybody with that mentality needs to leave and walk out the door today because that isn't acceptable um there's not there's not there's no big issue losing to that Manchester City team but the way in which we lost was disgraceful mate well I would have much preferred a lost man city like the one in the cup you know we'd be stuck to our tactics you know basically we're in control of the game for 80 minutes um and then world class took over and managed to get City to win but then on Sunday it was just it was just a sham it was it was a shambles when you're a go down and it's a must win game when you centre backs trying to take on the whole team it why because the because the like I said it yet last week I think we've done the podcast last week there's no there's no leaders in this team we can try and kid ourselves all along and say oh god shame it's cold man we've got a long we've got the there's not one leader and I know Seamus didn't play the other day but there's not one leader at this football club nobody picks players up and goes come on lads it's we've gone one nil down in the opening we said it the Sheffield United game Sheffield United scored seven minutes in and we all knew that was it we weren't getting back into that game we weren't winning it we weren't getting a point out of it because that's the mentality of that football club there's not one player who picks teams up he picks players up and goes okay we're one nil down against the best team in the country but come on it was a silly goal to concede we've you know we've gifted them too much space get into them now go again work hard look at look at the game against against City at um goodness and like you said we went one nil down in that game we got back into it it went to one all we battled we were we fought with them for 80 minutes why couldn't we have done it again on Sunday why couldn't that have been the same why couldn't we have battled with them again on Sunday I get that they're much better than us but it was sort of almost like it was an expected result and it was an expected performance and it was an expected scoreline I was that expected for everything football club if you expect that not if you're a player and you have gone into that changing room before the game and gone we're going to get sampled here so if it goes to four nil on half time expect it just go I'm not bothered just just leave because you're absolutely ruining the club it's a nonsense and but you know again like I said it was a testimonial game that we turned up at two to get laughter and you know the the players clearly were thinking doesn't matter because tomorrow I'll be don't know on me private jet somewhere else I may have had the idea before everybody else I mean faithfully I've supported them for 22 years because they told me on Saturday afternoon that we were going to get sampled five nil either being on the same plane as Ames I don't blame him um so yeah again there's been a high there's been positives there's been positives this season and and there's definitely work to you know there's definitely places to to work on but overall to disappointment isn't it well well you mentioned there's been positives and I think there has been positive tick out the season obviously maybe you mentioned the good away record before hopefully we can sort of keep that you know regardless of fans being in the stage and we can keep that mentality that we can go to places especially for the fans that we can go to places like anfield and get away you know I imagine fans will feel a lot more confident visits on a visit to anfield now but even with some players I think there's been some standout performances of players like obviously you mentioned Ben Godfrey before who's who's had a I think he's had a brilliant season I reckon I think Abdelhaid acore has come in and um he's had a good season not as good as he can be because the the players around him but he's certainly I think he's certainly made an impact and and can go on and improve and I think Dom also has had his best season so who's obviously we saw the um the awards last week the Everton player awards last week I think Dom got player of the season and players player of the season who was your player of the season Dominic Alford-Lewin um again you know when on that score 21 goals and single handedly put you in that race and fight for Europe then you can't really look past them I get the argument for Ben Godfrey and Ben Woodbean is my young player of the season I think that was the right decision um but you know if you if you argue if you put Ben Godfrey forward as player of the season then he's obviously winning young player anyway because Dom's won 24 so he probably doesn't clarify for that so then Dominic Alford-Lewin's walking away with with no award when he scored 21 goals and being absolutely phenomenal for Everton he's improved massively um and like you said there's goals have been so vitally important in a season where you know this Everton team we know anyway doesn't have a lot of goals in it let's be honest with the exception of Dom and Rashardlasen usually you know hammers have scored I think six six six six yeah Guilfee scored eight I think with most of them being penalties and everybody else is on two with threes um you know we couldn't really have afforded for Rashardlasen to have the season that he's had scored him 50% less goals than what he usually does but Dominic Alford-Lewin's made up for that with with being season that he's had he's improved massively um and yeah I think I think he's played at the season comfortably if somebody put a comment in my life team today it was like when you actually look at Everton's xg and the chances we created Dominic Alford-Lewin's goal tally is absolutely phenomenal. Its conversion rate is still up there and I don't we missed a couple chance a few chances this season where we should be really bearing them when you know you can you can only improve when he'll he'll only score more we're better players around it yeah absolutely obviously if you look at the the assists around the team it's actually from midfield it's not great so imagine you put a top class winger in there and a top class right back and then we've got such a good aerial striker we can it was so dangerous in the box actually i mean around the six yard box you start putting decent balls in the box then I've got no doubt that Dominic Alford-Lewin will he'll get better next season and score more than 21 goals I think he'll hit the 25 26 range next season because he's improved every season at Everton statistically he's gotten better he's scored more goals um and he'll go away in the summer like he did last summer when we said he needs to go away he needs to work on his physicality he needs to work on his dominance he went away and done that and he'll go away this summer and work on his one-on-ones and work on his compulsion in front of goal and way to do his work and and I think he'll be even better next season to be honest mate hopefully we'll bring in the the right players you can you can help him do that it's impossible to get it wrong isn't it well the summer transfer windows start in a in a few weeks isn't it it officially opens do you do you think Everton needs to go out and make a um make a statement that it's going to be a big summer and go get a a big signing a big a big name even what would you mean by a big name like a catino or a bail or a bail or a baily yeah definitely go on go and make that statement I've seen a few people on social media after Sunday saying we need to spend 100 million this summer we need to spend 200 million I hope we spend 200 million but why why we haven't could spend 600 million I'm finished 12 next season everything could spend 50 million I'm finished 6th it's not about how much money we spend it's about where we spend the money and spending the money in the right areas and on the right profile of players we could go out and spend 400 million on Rabio, Ciel and Cypria, Catino, Culebarli, Wilfridzaha, Bail or we could go out and spend 100 million on Jack Harrison, Mateus Perera, Max Arans or Bachu, Leon Baili, Anguisa from Fulham and B6 next season so it's not just about going out and spending all sorts of money on all sorts of profiles it's about bringing in the right profile of player and for me the right profile of player is your Max Arans young athletic fast physical not only the player you're buying you're not only buying the players today you're buying the player you might be in three four five years time Anguisa from Fulham would be a perfect sign for me I do like the likes of Jack Harrison from Leeds I do like Perera from West Brom I like obviously Leon Baili from from Bruce here and some sorry from buying Leverkusen as well so yet we need to we need to go make a statement and hopefully we get players in early because one thing we don't want and I know we sort of got away with it at the start of last season with Hammers Dekora i'n Allan, but Hammers had been in the country for five days and he was starting at the Tottenham Otter Bay stadium and yet he was brilliant and we won but ideally you want your sianings to be in for at least a couple of weeks before so they get you know integration with the squad they get a pre-season they understand what the manager wants you know it worked last season but sometimes it doesn't sometimes you're watching players thinking you know he's playing the first Premier League game of the season he hasn't got a clue because he's only been here for four days so hopefully we get you know at least some business done early and we're not waiting until the last sort of week of the transfer window um to find out who we want to sian and now we've got a little bit sort of squeaky bum time last season last summer didn't ever remember when uh hui beg te ndol sian and we were all sort of thinking we're sianing no one here and okay we signed three or four players in quick succession but hopefully you know I think June the 6th that the window opens hopefully by the end of June we've signed one or two at least and we clearly know who else we're going after not saying bring everybody in by the end of June but you know at least have the the plan there so we know right okay these are the types of players that we're going to be bringing in but we've mentioned a few right backs and right wings in in the past podcast that we've been linked with yeah but say we signed realistically four players this summer four or five players I imagine one of them will be a number two goalkeeper because obviously he's only on loam yeah very quickly your ideal four or five summer transfers of sianings okay um including a goalkeeper uh yeah yeah yeah okay so I know obviously sejo de mero is um is is three and he's been linked massively the problem I have with sejo de mero is I think he come in and demand first team football I don't think he'd be happy to sit on the bench and he probably won a lot of money as well um and I give Jordan pick for my most improved player of the season I think recently he's been absolutely phenomenal and I'm happy with Jordan pick for being the number one next season so for argument's sake I'd say Robin Olson resigning out of two of them because I think the likelihood is Robin Olson will resign then I'd want Anguisa from Fulham uh Zambolwank Frank Zambolwank with Gwisa and I want um Ridley Bakhoo from Leyva Cusin or Max Evans and Torn but one of the two will do um he's not from Leyva Cusin for Wolfberg sorry um oh two more two more um I'm gonna go with I'll go with Prada from West Brom and I want to send I want to send to back I do want to send back because yeah I think we need to send to back I really do I think I think if you get a bit from Mason Allgate or Michael Keane in the summer that's yeah and obviously a decision needs to be made on Yeri Mina um so yeah I'd want to send to back but I don't know I don't know who I'd like but in there as well I'd like I'd like I'd like a Jack Harrison I like Leon Bailey but I don't know how realistic Leon Bailey would be um there's a lot there's a lot of players at that profile yeah but I do think we need to send to back absolutely well honestly obviously that may cost a um a bit of money to bring the players in and obviously that will take plays but if we only send three of them then you know the recruitment strategy you know yeah we're looking you know you know the you know the at least we're going in the right direction that's it but obviously we need to play us out to when you get to get players out the door to get plays in the door which realistically can you which realistic players can you see getting pushed out the door this summer if if any um sticking it on me yeah um players I'd like to see leave but you know obviously you'd want Gomez Delph um probably a Wobby if you've got a decent bid well they're the likely ones we can still get a bit of money back for and and so obviously Keen is looking very likely yeah he's expressed that he wants to go so it's about getting the right money as opposed to him obviously they're trying to knock it down to about 25 30 million euros yeah I think I think if we got a decent bid for Mason Allgate would sell uh and I think if we got a decent bid for Michael Keen would sell as well to be honest with you but but again it's it's so easy so easy to it you know sort of endure this FIFA head of just sell all of these players but you can only sell players that teams won ultimately and if Anzai Gomez isn't ever going to play next season then it's because nobody wants him and let's be honest why would anybody want him he's not a good footballer um so you know again if we get bids for these players then then they'll be sold but ultimately it's about that isn't it you can't just say don't turn up even as much as we might want to say that you can't you know these players are contacted and we've given them a contact we're paying them so um but yeah now there's a I think there's a couple in that first team squad that if we were bidded if we're bidded for I mean look at Mason Allgate for example he's now behind Godfrey Keen and mean it probably he's our fourth tree centre back if we signed another centre back he'd become fifth trees if you've got a 15 million pound bit information Allgate has a fourth tree centre back would you sell them I would yeah and you brought in another right back so that's famous as second trees right back yeah I suppose so yeah we've got the right right bid for him I think he's at that age now when he's to settle down and that's it get first to you I don't think it's gonna happen for him Everton unfortunately I think it's a good there's a good player in there he's not had a great season honestly he was I think he was like a young player of the season last season wasn't he end of 1920 there's a good player in there but he needs he needs consistent football he's settled down if he wants to play if he wants to be a centre back or right back or holding midfield I don't know what he is but he needs to be he needs to settle down that club I don't think it's going to be Everton yeah absolutely I agree I'm just I'm just going through all the signs I've picked in my mind and seeing if I want to change well with with I was going to ask you something with Josh King obviously he's not he'll not be saying who's he can you see as I think I think he played a couple minutes you ran on the picture cool times um can you see he was going out and bringing in a a centre forward or or an attacker that can play across the front three even obviously we're short on obviously Tolstons coming back but you know he's injured and he'll probably be out the door wasn't he wasn't he celebrating with Besiector saying he wants to cut he wants to be I want to be here and I'm contacted to everything but I don't want to be there just I don't come on I'm not playing in the game for Everton really no no well you say that but I remember thinking that about a lot of players and they're the art here and they'll put in the shade on yeah true true no I think I think we could subsidize a backup striker by bringing in two wingers that can play along or free besiector because you've got Richarlison who can play as a striker I know he hasn't been great at it this season and he's missed a lot of chances but he can play up there obviously you've got Dominic Cavalier and Moise Keane on leave but I would rather if Everton went out this summer and just focused all our attention on right back sending me field in a backup striker I'd be furious because we need we need two wingers as an absolute we need one winger without question and we need two wingers really if we what if we yeah if we want to really progress and if you're starting two quick skillful wingers that can score goals that can create goals that can get in behind defenders and also maybe having one of those two that can interchange and be a centre forward as well then I think you might you might get away with it um we need players off the bench as well there we need you go you go inside like her we need too much we need too much yeah if you go if you go inside saying add an arm strong you can play across the front three yeah it won't be a first team but what he's gonna is his pace little fella we can score goals we know that even like a player like him coming off the benches can be a decent little buy but you've got to get your first team so that first and there's too many options there's too many positions we need to sort out I said it last week you know for me you don't go out and buy we should evidence and I don't think this will be evidence plan but evidence shouldn't go out in the summer and bringing players that aren't quite good enough to make the first team but it'd be decent on the bench what we need to do is go out and buy players that are better than what we've got that they go into the first team and then what we've got drop to the bench that's how that's how you're working you don't buy players that aren't as good as Dominic Calvert Lewin but he's better than Cenk Towson so he'll sit on the bench and he's better because that's what we effectively try to do with Josh King and you know look at how that turned out go out and buy players that are better than what we've currently got and then not only do you have competition for places then because you know be it Don be it um I don't know Alan, D'Corey, Rashardlison they're all looking out look out look how beneficial Robin Olson's being for Jordan Pickwood actually having a goalkeeper that Jordan knows if I don't perform here if I don't improve I'm sitting on that bench and I can't afford to be sitting on that bench with the Euros coming up this summer I need to be in that team week in week out look at how much Jordan's improved on the back of Hannah exactly you need composition in your team not only for squad death but to keep players on the toes because players might come out and then give the usual spale of I tried that out and saying and I'm awake me socks off every game but subconsciously there'll be a there'll be a thought in their mind thinking I'm in here now no matter how well I play or how poorly I play I'm starting next week I'm starting a week after I'll get another chance whereas if they've got somebody on the bench who's breathing down the throat and they think if I don't give it 110% here if I don't battle if I don't show that I'm worthy of my place I'll be out and he'll be in and he might come in and show that he's worthy of his place battle fight and then I might get back in so you need that competition for places it's healthy and it improves everybody throughout the squad and like I said we need to go out and buy better players than what I've got in the start 11 and then those players become your bench players um for me anyway and whether we will do that or not is a different question I suppose well do you do you think the the maybe and this is a maybe because he spent the season on loan of a blackpool obviously I'm on about elly sims he scored a few goals for blackpool in in league one he's done okay do you think he's ready for a place from the and at least the bench in this in the squad or do you think you can see him going out on another loan maybe the championship this time yeah and I can see him going out on him he's done well don't get me wrong for eight nine goals something like that but he's playing in in league one and I know it's it's so easy for us to say get elly sims in he's scoring every week but it's that correlation between you know some people say I remember putting up a video of elly one of elly sims's goals on on our twitter from when he played for blackpool obviously during the season and it I think we'd I think Evan had played the same day and would lost you know no surprise and Dominic Cavalluna had the poor game in some moment see elly sims was doing a blackpool why could you you know get him in instead Dom's not doing it and I was like well Dominic Calvert-Lewin's playing in the Premier League at the highest level probably playing I think we played can't remember we played the time but it was it was someone decent that might have been Chelsea and elly sims was playing league one opposition Dom would score 40 goals exactly so it's not it's not compatible you can't say it's compatible and elly sims you know might might well have a future at evidently he looks he looks a good striker but he's 19 years old now um I think and and yes he's big he's physical he needs a goalscorer but he's not he's not ready for the Premier League the step up from league one to championship is ginormous the step up from championship to Premier League is even bigger and I think like you said elly sims gets a championship loan next season and let's see how he does if he scores 15 16 goals in the championship next season then maybe the season after we can start having those conversations but not yet well another youngster who's been out on loan this season and not at the the best spell I suppose young Anthony Gordon yeah can you see him being a part of the squad or do you think he'll get sent back out and loan next season he's not at the greatest and a decent start at Preston be like not at the greatest loaner I think yeah he hasn't from what I've seen him ready hasn't really played much yeah he's been getting many opportunities on too great for it whatsoever so again that the the the the desperateness is there to want Anthony Gordon to come in and succeed and I've seen I've still seen a lot of people saying you look at our bench why can't we have an Anthony Gordon on there and and I sort of agree with it I agree with it but what I also then think is Nalsing Cuncu come on on Sunday for the first time in absolute months in a game where we were already four five nil down in and he was never going to be able to change and I know he didn't do anything he ran around a little bit but if Nalsing Cuncu was only being brought on in a game at the last game of the season when we're being absolutely you know blathered by Manchester City and there's nothing in it I don't really see Anthony Gordon he wasn't a favourite of Carlo Angelotti when he was here he started a couple of games last the season before last obviously um you know the the 1920 season it all rolls into one and but even when he was part of the squad you know this this season just gone he wasn't massively involved he wasn't really getting off the bench he wasn't even getting in the matchday squad and I know you can say well I wasn't he getting in there when Gomez is getting in there or when it will be or when Bernardo is getting in there but that's obviously Carlo's decision isn't it and and again I think you'll see Anthony Gordon go out on loan again this summer hopefully for a side that he can play consistent football for and you know not not just be again doing what he was doing at Everton basically and not being included because what's the point yeah well there you go there's enough Everton for today that's a nice little therapy session to be honest but um yeah we got the euros a lot forward to I think the England's first game is next Wednesday isn't it um is it is it that soon they've got a game next Wednesday haven't they it's not not euros game um I'm just I just can't wait and this is where it's matter how how hypocritical are football fans by the way it might just be me you're a big hypocrit but I literally sat there to the missus on sunday and said I'm never watching another game of football ever again I've never ever ever watching it I'm not watching the euros I'm not interested in it I don't I don't I don't like I don't really like England but and now I'm sitting here saying I actually can't wait to watch a game of football that I've got no emotional connection to yeah they play just go oh he's a good player that's a good goal oh they've performed well today but I'm not actually sitting there what do you know how many times I wanted to lash my phone and to tell you Ayrton Martin Tyler absolutely for the nice of a better word he basically wanted to marry Mary Sergio Aguero on Sunday he was doing that old aguero scream every time he touched of all and I was just sitting there thinking I'm sitting on me couch there's nobody else in the house but I feel like I'm being punched in the face I just feel like somebody's just there just slapping me constantly that's how horrible it was so I am actually looking forward to watching some football that I don't care about have you got a friendly friendly next wednesday in austria so that that'll be that'll be fun I suppose yeah hopefully and hopefully as a what I would say about the euros is hopefully any event and play that goes but don't really care what they're going to pick for them come home safe please yeah just don't just don't get injured please because you know if you're there you're there for the reason and that's because you've impressed and we really could do with with you know picking up an injury I sort of want Godfrey to play every game and smash it but then I sort of wanted to just be like yeah leave them alone you know what happens if he plays every game and smashes it don't you're the silly season since the room is kicking and mangynaetodd y gŵnnosan o'r 100 million i'n all this i'n all that so look it's everything in it and that's what we that's what we are that's what we do we we turned up we took part in the testimonial we got slapped left right in centre but at least say Joe agwed o you know add a smile on his face and scored a couple of goals and there's not going to pass alone good good for him yeah I think he did he break the record on sunday he maybe broke the record he matched Wayne Rooney's record isn't he so it was only Andy Cole Alan Shearer and on re in front of him isn't it is it so he's up so he's up there top for something so listen listen again our defence gave him a guard of honour before the game and continued to give him a guard of honour when he come on as well I think the short of those over that we can stand we stand off him now because it's it's a great old Joe and I'm fuming about everything well everything yeah but what I'm most fuming about is that we've ruined the boss kit there we've worn one of the best kits we've had out in years that kit was so nice for sunday and now I look at it and think I just I'm just reminded of just that hopefully we get our first picture like I just thought we'd wear it at all yeah hopefully no hopefully yeah just wait just wait hopefully we get a good away picture and we've been like seven ill or something and Leon Bailey's caused five goals imagine and I mean love it oh yeah he'd looked boss in that kit and middle back he would look boss in it as well well I don't mess he would look boss in that kit imagine imagine imagine I'm going to be sitting in that kit next to the court and Alan imagine ever to do this to ourselves and we know we'll be sitting here in six months time and but the arm ramsey will be an event and player and here in shipyard will be an event and playing and we'll all be sitting here just crying in that into our arms but just imagine if I'm being any good well calm it's ever to nil the knowledge three thoughts oh just please ever to him just just get it right bring us our optimism back we want a good summer get it right it's impossible to get wrong it's impossible to get wrong get it right this summer anyway yeah we can only hope fingers crossed arms crossed legs crossed yeah there you go thanks for listening to the everton podcast that's all the tv everton therapy session you could call it it's over now anyway so yeah season's over but we'll be back next week to discuss hopefully some transfer rumours maybe to even discuss the the england friendly silly season and I've just read today that we're we're interested in Wilfridzahar so it's easy easy ruby you will get that every year now that's it I'm surprised we haven't been it with Kather to be honest he retired two weeks ago he went to MLS didn't he no he stayed at UV didn't he I think he's all did it I can't remember he's retired anyway so we'll probably be linked with him over the next week or so bringing back from retirement out I imagine so there there you go anyway thanks for listening if you want more videos exclusive live videos then head over to patreon make sure you check out cam's channel they might have lose also thanks for listening or thanks for watching if you're watching the podcast version and uh yeah see you later