 We'll call the capitol city council regular meeting for Thursday, May 24th your order may have a roll call, please Councilmember Harlan here councilmember Bertrand shock here Councilmember Peterson here councilmember Here and Mayor terminating here. Will you please all rise and join me in the pledge of allegiance? This meeting is cable cast live on charter communications cable TV channel 8 and you first channel 99 in his rebroadcast Saturday on Comcast channel 25 and Charter 71 You may also see our meetings at our city's website City of capitol org our technician tonight is Lynn Dutton. 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I went right by my favorite people Forgive me presentation by the capitol a safety foundation Our yearly report on the wonderful things the foundation does and for this I believe our madam treasure of the capitol safety foundation will approach the podium Hi there tell everybody who you are my name is Lynn Banks and I am one of the motley crew of the capitol a public safety and community service foundation which we call capitol a foundation and somebody is going to click through to Help me with this particular report This is our first annual report, but we've been around since 2005. This is our 13th year We're a local nonprofit all volunteer group of people who simply live in and love capitol a love Santa Cruz County and Want to make it a better place? so we Sort of partner with the capitol a police department and various other organizations Throughout Santa Cruz County It is Oriented towards problem-solving crime reduction initiatives community outreach and other educational efforts within the city and the surrounding areas So our biggest baby is coming up on June 9th and 10th the capitol a rod and custom classic car show Which we call the car show and We have this is our biggest fundraiser by far this year. We have two 347 vehicles that have registered and those monies and monies from sponsors are What help us? Give back to the community. This is a two-day event. We close down the village essentially to through traffic and Park these lovely cars. It is fun family-friendly and free and all are welcome The second fundraiser that we have is the capitol a foundation golf tournament, which has been held almost exclusively at seascape and This is held the first Friday in October. It will be on the 5th this year and It's something that I encourage any duffer or Expert to come out and enjoy you are able to meet with a lot of the community members the movers and shakers and just people like me and It's a really fun day. It's a shotgun start best ball and You can get more information on it at capitol a foundation org. It's another really worthwhile Event as far as fundraising is concerned for us so our work supports the PD and these other Entities this O'Neill C. Odyssey fallen officer the PO a operations serve the junior guards. We have scholarship for the junior guards for low income and That's been a huge success the volunteers in police service and national light out are Sort of under the umbrella of the police department and we help out with those as well Some of us are even volunteers in police services ourselves So here's the O'Neill C. Odyssey, it's a really wonderful wonderful program that gives onboard laboratory science experience to kids and They have to earn the right to be able to have a trip on that they have to do Projects within their classroom in order to be able to participate Junior guards, you know another remarkable thing a morning and afternoon sessions two different times in the summer and There are people who have who were kids who went through this who are now lifeguards, so it's wonderful And again, there's snapshots of the national night out. We have bought and had trained Several police dogs and there's a snapshot of the volunteers in police service as well Operation surf this is a remarkable remarkable event where Troops that have been returning From as began to stand Iraq and Iran have a first-time opportunity Just really straight out of the hospital to come down and have an ocean experience it Changes their lives so much for the better and we're very pleased This is one of the ones where we're very hands-on with as well We give financially, but we also give hands-on support to the various groups that we support Our sponsors that make it all possible paradise Beach Grill. I can't say enough about Gary and Leslie Wetzel. They just they're Constantly constantly asking what they can do and Sam Linder it is Wonderful also. He helps out with or it's actually Stuart Kerr of Sam Linder, but they donate generously to the Car show as a matter of fact and that synod II this year was our premier sponsor for the golf tournament We were very pleased to have Barry and his group And These are another you know, what can I say you'll recognize a lot of them And I hope that you keep them in mind when you're when you need some electrical done or you know Servicing building what have you there? These are the people who give back to the community Through us and other organizations, and it's not just these there's I think a couple other one or two other Slides as far as These are others that make it possible coming back again and again So anyway, we happen to have tonight here Some folks from operation serve so that we can present them with a great big check So if Laura and Kim can come up, I'd appreciate it anybody else that's here from operation serve And anybody who's here in the audience from the foundation if you can come and support us and them Thank you Land don't go away yet Come on back I just want to put you on the spot and tell you that I loved your presentation and This organization for the last what ten years has contributed thousands and thousands to backfill the needs of our police department We've helped our officers go to trainings. We've helped in the canine core We've helped the armory we we've helped in any way we possibly can and the police department appreciates it as do the other organizations and we were major We've become major donors to the library campaign as well. So thank you very much. Yes, as a matter of fact this year our donations As far as the ones that were certain about total over $50,000 and you know in 13 years to come from sort of Struggling to Make our presence known to be at this place where we can so generously support the community is really Wonderful and yes, very excited about the library project. Thank you. Thank you Are there any additions or deletions to the agenda? What was that? Oh Stop it now it's report on closed session But I think the city manager is the only one who can do that because we didn't have an attorney president Mr. Mayor members of the council the city council reviewed the items listed on the closed session to denja Including meeting with their labor negotiator They met with labor negotiator and took no report of auction. Thank you any additional materials Yes, we received seven items regarding item 10 be the most recent ones that Arrived after distribution are available at your desk and all additional materials are available in the packet at the back Wonderful. Thank you We now go on to public comments Are there any additions to the agenda? None public comments these this is the time when anyone from the public can come forward and address the council on items Not on tonight's agenda if you have an item that's not on tonight's agenda and you'd like to address the council Please step forward Mayor or councilman Gary Richard Arnold I'm concerned about the erosion of self-government through regionalization A lot of people have no idea that am bag is a layer of government over them that creates policies that are adopted here locally The newspapers were bought out by the Bill Gates Foundation and turned over to some globalist They're imitating the European Union in which they Hague Get so involved in local affairs it goes down to the townships in England The same thing is happening here. They have stakeholders at am bag which are Very wealthy people that make policy. They don't vote on the policy But the member from each of these government entities like the counties and cities in the tri-county area are Pushed by them The goal the there's been several attempts at regionalization Ronald Reagan when he was governor Tried to do it by executive order there came out a report after some study that it was much more economical and Efficient to just have the cities make agreements with each other rather than put this other layer of government The the county community TV doesn't show up ever the Santa Cruz Sentinel Doesn't show up ever people don't know their authority and the Representatives aren't covered by that we had an ex-person from the city council of Santa Cruz and she complained that a Lot of people don't know this with a charter city versus a general city Charter cities prevent a council person from going to a department and Having anything done if they directly or indirectly influence any of those departments The city manager will put you in jail for six months or have a thousand dollar fine And when you're out there electing we're in a campaign session right now People don't know that you can't do the things you're promising them You have to go through a city manager that doesn't have to be a citizen doesn't have to live in the area This setup of a city manager system was put together at the University of Chicago and it was funded by the Rockefellers and and Alan dollars who said that it's you know, they're gonna be able to put international people into local communities We have local cities and ambag already contracting with Iqli, which is the front for the United Nations in the World Bank I Encourage you to go have a Executive mayor than put that rather than playing mayor and doing the rotation of musical chairs have an executive that's Responsible instead of a city manager who earns their points by moving from one city to another They're not interested locally for their career. Anyway, I Encourage you to Publish what goes on at ambag and consider Breaking your ties with them because these people don't know what they're paying for and the policies you're adopting. Thank you Does anyone else like to address the council? See none. Oh I'm sorry That's okay. My apologies. I'm moving fast Hi, Lori Relatively easy act to follow. I am Lori Hill and I just would like to Congratulate council member Ed on his man of the year from the Capitola Soquel Chamber of Commerce Also, Teresa Green a volunteer for the Bagonia Festival was honored as well this week. I am here to Say Thank you to the council for all that was done on behalf of the Bagonia Festival And the Bagonia Festival is honoring the tradition and the past Through the contributions that are on your consent calendar tonight Both for the Historical Museum as well as for the Arts and Cultural Commission for some form of commemorative art in the village to honor 65 years of Bagonia Festival and Honored to be a part of the team that Wanted to honor the traditions of the Bagonia Festival. There's a new team that's honoring the traditions of the Bagonia Festival Capitola Beach Festival. It's a great group of people I hope you'll throw your support to them as well, and I just want to do a little shout out for At least further consideration of the lighted boat parade and what I'm thinking about is we spent a lot of time thinking about our history Honoring our past and something like a lighted boat parade that could involve led lights a little bit robotics would really encourage youth and technology and What is in our future and maybe we can engage more of our young people in our community to get involved in such a Wonderful community event, so I think that most of the items that could come up as a concern can be mitigated But I'll let all the brighter minds think those things through so thank you very much. Thank you Laurie Would anyone else like to address the council? If not, we'll move on to city council city treasurer and staff comments staff any comments. Mr. City manager Mr. Mayor, I think we're gonna hear from our public works director on the progress all the work out on the beach right now great Hi, Steve Evening mayor and council. I'm happy to report that about one o'clock today the closure of the balloon took place That's where our annual creating the lagoon and grading the beach So we're officially in the good mode with water going through the flume grading on the beach We'll continue tomorrow. We'll take a break over the memorial day We can't have it in good shape and then they'll do the final grading next week. Wonderful. Thank you. Thank you Madam city clerk anything for us comments Okay, Ed Kristen Stephanie Well Here we go because I got a lot to say to you people no not not really I just want to point out to our RTC representatives that You'll be hearing about the progressive rail contract and that in spite of the fact that The RTC has pretty much given a deaf ear to our concerns about the safety of the treasel they continue to Be ready to sign a contract That will allow a rail carrier to go over our treasel so bear that in mind when you hear about it this week at the meeting That we have literally been ignored as has the safety of our people being ignored Do your best for us Let's move on to boards commissions and committee appointments We're considering an area agency on aging appointment. This is a council appointment and we have one We have a point both a representative and an alternate and would you give us some background mr. City manager? Who is our? our representative right currently I Am councilman Harlan is your representative now with a term expiring at the end of this end of this month And a June so do we have an alternate not yet? But perhaps at the next meeting we have to we're going to settle this tonight because I have personally met with her I know other council members have met with her and it's been dragging on for too long so as the procedure going to be we appoint an alternate and And Can councillor Harlan continue can she re-upper term at the end or does she become the alternate and our alternate become the rep? How does I'm not sure about the mechanism The seniors council does not have a any term limits or preferences For for this procedure. So we have both we have two people that are interested council member Harlan has expressed an interest in continuing as has Ms. Deadguard and I know that The new applicant is interested in either position. We have not had a Alternate for a number of I think almost two years at least Since before I was clerk, so it would be helpful to have an alternate in place so we could at least appoint an alternate through the end of this term and then you can discuss Positions through for the next term July through June of 2020 What's the council's desire? I'm happy to continue as the main representative because it's been pretty complicated lately And I want to make sure that whoever wants to be the alternate really understands the agency and the issues But she spent a one meeting and I'd like to take her to another meeting and see whether she understands and really is going to buy into Serving on this commission because it's a little bit complicated. Well, what do you think about? Getting a pony. Yes, is there a motion of the floor motion to maintain council member Harlan is the representative and new applicant as the alternate For the discussion all in favor I opposed One one opposed councilmer Harlan for in favor So we have an alternate now and councilmer Harlan remains our primary representative. We'll move on to the consent calendar This is a group of items taken as a single vote. Is there anyone on the council or staff who would like to pull any of these items? Hearing none anyone from the audience like to pull anything on consent Do I have a motion to approve consent? Is there a second? All in favor I opposed its unanimous We'll go on to general government public hearings the first item on our agenda is food cupboard and the current zoning update And I'm gonna recuse myself because I live close to the project I'm sorry. Let's give councilor Harlan a chance to leave the room and then we'll launch off. I forgot about the recusing Thank You mayor Termini and good evening council Tonight we're revisiting food cupboard. So earlier this year in March We had a code enforcement complaint at 1973 42nd Avenue for a food cupboard that was placed in the front yard almost out at the front property line and There people can drop off food and take food from the free food cupboard citizen concerns were Regarding attracting outsiders to the neighborhood and recent vehicle break-ins We brought this item to you on April 26th during that meeting staff brought up concerns for public health and safety and Also brought up facts related to the zoning code in Residential neighborhoods where these this type of use is not allowed the direction of the council was to come back and Introduce where food cupboards could be allowed within the city of Capitola. So that is the focus of my presentation this evening So a food cupboard in the zoning code is considered a non-residential accessory use within an accessory structure Being a non-residential accessory use it is only allowed in commercial districts It is also allowed as an accessory use to a food distribution. So such as a grocery store The answer to the question would appear easy But because right now we have two zoning codes out there one that's applicable inside the coastal zone And one outside the coastal zone. There are different answers for each area So and again, it's only focused in the commercial zones So inside the coastal zone This is south on 41st Avenue South like near Jade Street from Capitola Road south They are you allowed as an accessory used to a primary commercial food distribution So such as new leaf that is in this area the Location of one of these structures could be either inside the building or as an accessory use or outside the building within a small structure The accessory structure would be limited to 80 square feet in size 8 feet tall and no electric or plumbing Outside the coastal zone again It has to be located within a commercial a commercial zone They're allowed as an accessory used to a commercial food and distribution. So such as whole foods But with outside the coastal zone, they're only allowed inside the building And this is a result of when we're going through the zoning code update many of the It's actually related to grocery stores having too many vendors outside such as the Coca-Cola machines and newspapers and Multiple accessory uses on the outside of the building that were cluttering the sidewalks So in an effort to clean that up the new zoning code says all accessory uses must occur from inside the building So then we aside from looking at the food cupboards we took a larger scale look at a larger food pantry So this would be a food pantry such as an establishment where a nonprofit Distributes food to local residents So there's several churches in town that do this and also Bay Avenue senior center has a distribution So inside the coastal zone a traditional food pantry is allowed within single-family zoning district and multi-family there's a Actually all of the zoning districts except for the central village and they could be utilized as an accessory they could be brought into being as an accessory used to say a church or religious institution lodges and clubs public and quasi public uses and Typically the main use requires a conditional use permit and then this accessory use could be run from within that main use and Outside the coastal zone. This is the area where the new code is active. There's a more general term for the establishment such as a church and called community assembly and it's place where residents gather or nonprofits gather and a Traditional food pantry could be run out of a community assembly and that's allowed in all of the Within residential zoning districts as well as commercial. So and then I also included in the report What is happening locally in Capitola and this report was from September of 2017 put out by second harvest and it shows 12 of the most active resources out there for food distribution to those in need and In September of 2017 this report found that over 9,000 pounds Of food were distributed to over 1,376 Residents so there are great programs in place within Capitola not all of these locations are in Capitola but the food that was given out was to Capitola residents and With that staff is recommending that the city council consider to continue to prohibit unsupervised food distribution in residential areas and Continue with the code of allowing them within commercial areas Questions from the council. I Have a question. Let me just step through this carefully If this council wanted to allow food pantries It would mean a change in our zoning code, correct food cupboards. Yes food cupboards. Yes, sorry And I've also been informed by staff that if that stepper to be taken that we do not have the resources to be able to police the safety that the Wholesomeness and safety of food left in those pantries True if if you were to allow the food pantries We do not have any resources for monitoring food that's currently done by the county and We do not have those resources locally and the food pantries and distribution that you have noted here Do you have that ongoing with the food they distribute? Do they not they would have to be in compliance with the county? Yes, okay? Any other questions then I'll open this up to the public. Is there anyone who would like to speak to us? Concerning food pantries if you do have a card come on up Welcome Hi, Mellie I'm an ER nurse from Watsonville Community Hospital And I'm opposed to the private cupboards because not a week goes by that We don't get a child in that has gotten ingested something Somewhere the worst case is a little six-year-old I've gotten in a Monterey County Sheriff's way too well over. We don't know where he got The edibles because it's a good family the family all tested drug-free Somewhere this kid got his hands on Probably some tainted gummy bears he may never wake up and That's my big concern if we allow the cupboards out there some sick individuals going to throw in some little edibles thinking Oh, it's gonna go And I'm gonna end up with this kid on a ventilator with the family Understood thank you a very good point Would anyone else like to address the council on this item? If not, I'll bring it back to the council Jock you want to start? I'm totally for the staff Recommendation at this point anyone's have comments Is there a motion I Move to accept the staff's recommendation on this second that and there's a second before we take the vote on this Let me say that I insisted this be brought from front of the council I even asked for to be brought back so it could be more clarified because I promise the people who are interested in it that I would bring it to light and we have a full discussion and a public meeting That doesn't always mean the outcome Happens the way you like it, but it is the democratic process and that pretty much fulfills my promise And we will now say all in favor. Hi opposed. It's unanimous. Thank you and welcome a councilor Harlan back into the room Welcome back Stephanie we'll move on to general government public hearing 10 B staff An evening mayor and council item before you is a continued discussion of the traffic calming options for Topaz Avenue in the jewel box Just quick background in February after a series of public hearings the council directed staff to repair a list of Traffic calming measures that could be implemented in around the jewel box neighborhood They would have less than significant impacts to the existing traffic patterns basically ones that don't buy themselves redirect traffic and Purposely direct cars onto other roads that Created sequel issues that we wanted to avoid And mitigating those would become difficult. So went to the toolbox of traffic calming measures selected a few Five that I thought would Could be utilized in the neighborhood and various forms and locations. Those are speed tables neighborhood or small traffic circles curb extensions Signage and movement restrictions. I'll just run through those So the speed table is this picture on the left here It is essentially a raised Platform that is flat cost top similar to a speed bump But it's flat and much longer than the speed bump They're often used and I think it'd be my recommended that they be used in conjunction with a crosswalk They're very good at slowing people down to probably the prescribed speed on that street of 25 to 30 miles an hour The other one you can do is curb outs, which are probably this one which is mid-block It's obviously just a narrowing of the lane. So people have to look forward and look for oncoming traffic It Narrows sit down usually down by a half a lane. So if you have a two lane road, you'd get a lane in a half If you do that at an intersection, it's considered a bulb out if you do it in the middle of a block It's considered a choker Those are two options we could look at Another one would be a traffic circle. It's essentially a small roundabout Here we have just towpads and 47th a 12-foot Traffic circle in there. This is the turning radius is for most standard passenger vehicles trucks and Small SUVs could make it around with any problem if we you know, we haven't done in-depth analysis We went this far certainly we could just put a smaller one and Santa Cruz has Traffic circles that are as small as six feet in diameter and all they're intended to do is You know, even though we have four-way stop at this intersection is deflect the traffic slow them down Trying to discourage them from driving through there without forcing them Signage is the other option Identifying it as a neighborhood residential neighborhood and to slow down these are all you know Guide signs, I think is the proper term that means there's really no enforcement involved with them But they do I did help identify Residential neighborhoods and remind people to drive slowly and we've used these to successfully in the Riverview neighborhood restricted turning movements This is something that I know the county used recently on Soquel Avenue Where they restricted right turns on to I think it was gross road To try and get people from cutting through there It's something we could look at both at 47th We come off of Jade Street and turn right on the top house restrict that turning movement there Just turn from the hours of the commute hours from 3 p.m. To 7 p.m. And the same thing over here I got the maps wrong at Portola where they After the they back up and the traffic backs up going through the village people tend to Turn left on to 47th Avenue to cut through towpads and up to 49 So restricting those two traffic movements are examples of things that we could do so You know here's how we could potentially one layout of how you could use these elements through the dual box And I'll just run through it quickly, you know, we put speed tables on Jade Street. I think Generally adding some crosswalks across Jade Street is something we heard loud and clear In going through the public hearings that we've had So far on this idea. So by combining these by installing speed table and getting crosswalks We would both slow cars down different and the deter them from driving down here and provide crosswalks May be worth looking and also adding one on 42nd. So people aren't cutting through here. This is a Potential to become a another cut through Bulb outs along these corners you can continue them up if you'd like on all these streets coming off of 45th Avenue That would neck these down make it less inviting for cars to turn in there Make you more likely to stick on 45th Avenue, which is where we want them Traffic circle we show on here obviously, you know, there's other intersections that could be you could get them I think they would do a good job of both slowing people down and if you slow them down That's when they're going to try and find another faster route. I already talked about the restricted turning movements So You know, I've had a lot of people ask me this last week. Well, where do we want to go from here? So I've kind of tried to lay out some options That the council considers we move forward We could continue to refine kind of take the traffic calming plan or toolbox tools that I've identified and Develop them into more rigid plans of really identify where that where that where they would all go and The rules and then we could conduct another survey like we did We could do another there's been a call for conducting additional traffic monitoring We could take new counts. We could take counts at more intersections than we've done or more streets and we've done and take intersection counts and really get a You know, we have a lot of anecdotal Information about where the traffic's coming from or where it's going and where the backups occur, but we could Take some more counts and really identify and map out the and model the traffic through there We could also do Bluetooth or license plate surveys and there they actually Monitor the traffic and see where a car Where they enter into the model area and where they leave the model area and it kind of gives us an idea of How people are cutting through the inner set through the neighborhood The other one would be if we do want to move forward with speed tables or speed bumps I recommend that we develop a policy as I've mentioned before and other public hearings This isn't the only place we've maybe would consider them. I would anticipate that if we Start installing them in this neighborhood or other neighborhoods. We're going to get a lot of requests for them And so we should have a firm policy I know the city the county of Santa Cruz has a good one And so does the city Watsonville and we could look around and that's something the traffic parking Commission I think has expressed interest in working on if there's interest at the council So my recommendations real quick sorry is to provide direction to the staff on the traffic calling measures out order Outline to this report are there options that the council wants us to be studying and direct staff to Conduct a public workshop on these measures. I have a couple of questions for you Steve What's how do they do a Bluetooth survey so It's a sensor that actually if you have your cell phone on and it's on Bluetooth or your car's Bluetooth enabled it just Pings it as it goes by and it pings it when it goes out the other side So it actually maps your route through there and right now About 25 to 30 percent of vehicles Driving down the road can get pinged this way and it allows us to money. It doesn't identify Information. Oh, I totally trust you. Yeah, I don't see the data How could that possibly right, but that's that's the way it works in the license plate works away They take a picture of the license plate and they look at the last three digits and lovely go through Yeah, so it's a way of mapping traffic through these areas Okay You didn't mention anything about something that's come up several times at the four-way stop at 47 Is that something that the staffs considered and would it kick a sequel? Requirement I'd have to look at that I Don't believe it would it should be a three-way stop. I don't think 47 goes through. Well, that's right Something we could look at I'm not exactly Convinced that would help move traffic through the area and can prevent cut through I know it's been recommended But it's something we could look at. Okay. Any other questions of staff? Yes, Kristen if we were going to put in the The traffic circles would we be removing the stop signs or leaving the stop signs there and adding the traffic circle in addition to I think we we could look at it. You can do it either way my recommendation today Certainly could be changed would be to leave the stop signs in there Question Got I had a question about the Traffic circle So will we lose parking? You know because you were talking about the radiuses of turn So for safety, do you have to lose you would probably need to restrict the traffic parking? One space in on each corner. So yeah, it's potential to lose some small amount of parking at every intersection Okay, so As you know, I think most of us here for community meeting on this to get the input from the neighborhood In terms of getting scenarios ready for a meeting like that How would you imagine that to work? How long would that take and? How would you go about it? so depending on the input we get tonight I probably sit down and Formalize some of these inputs may we look at them individually and talk about them individually as we go through it probably take me Three three weeks. I would estimate and maybe another week I would like to engage the traffic engineers worked on this previously to kind of put this together and help me with the The workshop itself so I'd probably looking at it three to four weeks before we'd be ready to have that workshop and Do you think it's feasible to have a series of meetings because after the first meeting? People who get a better idea how it works and you might come up with some other ideas from that public meeting and then work those ideas into a second meeting That's certainly possibility. Yeah, if that's what the council wants me to do I'm like we've had that success with both the wharf and the library workshop So that's something we would be willing to do yeah I've seen you conduct a number of meetings with that kind of scenario one and then the next one They seem to work out really well this first time you look at some new ideas It's hard to wrap your mind out of it over and then you get some new ideas and work on from there. Thanks Stephanie any questions? Okay, we're gonna open this up to the public now So I will now call for the green cards the one-minute speakers. Are there any one-minute speakers? Come on up Neil And there's another one right behind you You're on the mayor Council members and staff good evening. My name is Neil Savage. I live on Opal Street Thank you for the progress and presentation of traffic calming and reducing options both from Kimley Horn and suggestions You've provided from our neighbors. I particularly appreciate the recommendations for speed reduction on jewel and 42nd Street and Look forward to for a further review and facilitate a workshop. Thank you. Thank you very much, Neil Come on up Beverly would you bring the microphone down a little bit so and I live on Emerald Street and the first meeting I came to I said that I was really gonna make an effort to personally not drive down those roads and I I'm thankful that I've been able to successfully Change my route and I've continued to do that and the last time I spoke I suggested that we need to tell like the driving Schools and the hotels to tell their patrons to not use these streets and so I really think it's about education and Making a personal effort because we want to keep our neighbors Happy so thank you so wonderful. Thank you for those ideas Okay, is there anyone with a yellow card the two-minute speakers? Okay red card three-minute speakers line up and We're off Welcome So my name is Alan Cable. I'm one of those pesky topaz people Hold on Alan can I have time, please? These are three. These are our three-minute people So first of all, thanks. Thanks to Steve sir for putting the suggestions together I have to say the the process that he's recommended Feels a little bit like deja vu to me all over again, right? Because we have spent about two years with this process. We have had multiple meetings we have had public meetings at the community center and We really haven't been very successful about getting anything done. So I have a suggestion on how we might move a little bit forward on this and that is you know a number of the things that Steve has Suggested are very practical and they're very simple to implement So I would say why don't we try and just try and implement a few of these suggestions Signage for example, I'm not suggesting we put traffic circles I don't think traffic circles are a good idea by the way as you can see I'm British and we abrupt traffic circles to To a fine art in England But this is not a good place for a traffic circle and it's expensive But some of the things that Steve has jetted are very practical and very inexpensive and we could try them We could have a trial for a period of time if they don't work if it doesn't solve the problem If it pushes the problem somewhere else, let's try something else, right? because I think that it will be very difficult for us to Go back through this whole process again and expect that we'll get a different result The second point I'd like to make is the that if we do go through this process I would really ask that We have a different method of making a decision. I know Steve has asked for a consensus But you know the problem with this with this traffic this true traffic exists on Jade Topaz and 49th primarily there are other streets I agree, but those are the three streets to get the brunt of it They represent about 10% or less of the jewel box than the total population So if there's some expectation that we're all going to be sitting around singing come by our over some decision I think it's greatly. I think I think it's a very optimistic Decision so what I would suggest is if we do go through this process I would ask the council to appoint an arbitrator somebody independent Somebody who doesn't have any skin in this game who can sit down listen to these opinions Make a decision and then come back to the council and have the council say when this person comes back We will listen to what they have to say and we will act on it Thank you. Thank you You there you want to ask the peager a question a question Ellen come on back when you said signage now Did you mean the courtesy signage or are you including the no-turn signage? Oh, I'm including the no-turn sign no entries. I think time no entries time no turns What would you know have the potential of of solving this problem now? I will agree that it's not easy to tell how these signs will implement traffic flow I just want to be clear if you were using all of them as I just wasn't sure if you just meant the courtesy No, no, I mean it's all very nice putting, you know, this is a neighborhood. Please don't drive quickly But you know, we we we know how effective that is but but but but as you brought up the point and I'm back here Right, I will I will say that it's not easy to predict what these signs will do So let's try it, you know one one experiment is worth a thousand expert opinions. Thank you Welcome I'm Anna Morocco. I'm here again, and I appreciate the opportunity to speak to the council I read the emails that were sent to Steve Jesberg and Regarding the traffic on 49th Street Onto Warf Road and considering installation of a four-way stop sign and 49th On 47th onto Capitola Road, and I thought that those made a lot of sense But I have questions with regard to sequa From my lay person's review of sequa under class 1 See subsection C 9 it refers to installation of replacement signs or new signs And it's possible as long as it doesn't establish a higher speed limit along a Significant portion of the street and will not result in more than a negligible increase in the use of the street So I just wanted a little more Definition of sequel and how it applies to our situation. I was hoping to get that at some point And I also wanted to remind the city council that when us topaz residents came initially and went to the traffic Commission and They made a recommendation to the council. We wanted a solution that just dealt with topaz street We didn't really want to include the whole jewel box and the backlash that we've since endured And some of the insulting community comments that that we've had to listen to I think were brought on by The decision to put these bollards not barricades as they were referred to but these bollards on all the subsequent jewel streets and I think what that would do is cut the jewel box in half and so I think it was a little bit of Putting the cart before the horse and as topaz resident I think we just want to deal with what what we have going on on topaz street and I look forward to The meetings and coming up with some of the options that Steve has presented and I think he for Meaning diligent and pursuit of a solution. Thank you next And I live on a 47 25 opal Street I'll just I wrote a letter and so I'll just read that and then I'll hand that off Dear city council. Thank you for first of all for directing city staff to reevaluate previously proposed traffic diversions in the jewel box I Appreciate that the focus now appears to be more about traffic calming including signage speed tables chokers bullbouts Not requiring the permanent diversion of traffic from one straight to another In and around the jewel box area and also involving community workshops in the decision-making making process I've reviewed the potential traffic measures attachment to the city council agenda and I'd like to offer some of my thoughts first I'm wondering question if potential restricted turns into the jewel box will be applicable to jewel box residents if so Restricting traffic in and out of the jewel box during certain hours of the day namely the no right and left turns from three to seven will inhibit Jewel box residents ability to get home and also carpoolers ability to drive off drop off their riders additionally restricting access Will actively promote actively move sorry traffic onto other neighboring streets One example would be eastbound commuters on Portola would Maybe jog over to Adrienne go down oboe cliffs come out at Portola take a quick left and then a right down 47th Because the current outline says it's no Left on to 40 47th Secondly, I strongly advocate for measures that accommodate and even emphasize safe travel for bicyclists skateboarders and pedestrians According to the potential impacts listed in all the attachments for the suggestions The use of chokers and bulb outs and circles narrow the travel way and visibility for these non motorists although I'm not opposed to these options My hope is that safe travel for the non motorists will be prioritized as I am an active biker and there's a lot of Foot traffic in the jewel box Thirdly, I believe the neighboring areas to the jewel box should be informed of the potential measures and are also given an opportunity to weigh in at the community meetings Any measure taken to calmer divert traffic out of the jewel box will affect the areas outside of the jewel box and The traffic has got to go somewhere And lastly it is is it possible to have costs of these each proposed measure be available in 2018 dollars as opposed to 2007 dollar estimates that were included in the attachments Thank you again for continuing the traffic discussion avoiding reference to it as a problem and Actively involving the community for ideas and input. Thank you Anyone else like to address the council? If not Please don't don't lag for last word because I will cut it off. So if you're getting ready to speak get up there Hello young man I Pretty much agree with most of what was presented tonight. I have concern about these traffic circles My pickup truck has about a 26 28 foot turning radius. I can't even make turns in parking lots without backing up and working around The example was well, then you should go to the left in other words go into oncoming traffic and go on the left side of it Well, I just Don't have much confidence in those Other than that with tonight's presentation, I agree I want to say something about the lady that got up here and talked about The local parking in the neighborhood by the hotels and motels. It is a problem I get them staying there sometimes week to two weeks on on the sides of the property the driving schools Don't they need to have business licenses to have a business in capital? I mean they just That's where their business is You know, that's where the driving course is for DMV. So the driving school is up there all the time Full time Those are things to concern. Thank you. Thank you. I learned something every meeting and we're all familiar with your driving Welcome back Ruth Crystal Street Actually, I want to thank Steve for coming up with the ideas. I think they have a lot of merit I think they'll probably do some good. I'd just like to make one suggestion and that would be To add bull bounce to the remaining three jewel box streets at 45th and Capitola Road So those three streets don't look more inviting to cut through without the bull bounce just so there's some consistency Sure. That's it. Thanks. Thank you Welcome I'm Carl Schubert and I live on Topaz very close to 47th Street And I've been here before and I've addressed you and I appreciate the efforts you've taken We've been here for almost two years Trying to find a solution to the high volume of cut-through traffic on that street and We thought we went through the correct procedures, you know, we involved the police chief We talked to public works. We were with the traffic and in parking commission We were with you And we went through a process that we thought we would get a solution or get something that would Reduce this problem that we see on our street and and we got to the point where there were facts There was there was factual information about the volume of traffic, you know You love an hundred to thirteen hundred cars down that street versus less than a hundred on the next street over Significant differences and in you as a council made a decision Four of you voted yes for this and then it was reversed a month later because of the severe backlash that comes from the community and And what happened in that time was that it really tore apart this neighborhood, you know, what used to be You know the jewel box was a friendly neighborhood now I look at Next door and I and I see comments on there that attack and vilify us because we want a safer street and And this is something that you can affect The way that you do business will either tear us apart or pull us together in the way that things are currently set up Passing this to public works and asking Steve to run a public workshop With a consensus is going to be the exact same results that you saw in that survey and it's going to pit us Exactly the way it did last time against each other and what I need to ask you is How can you pull us together? What can you do to? construct Steve's work in Such a way that it doesn't do this to us and you have to give them More guidelines you can't just say it's a consensus because if it's a consensus decision You know exactly what it's going to look like it's going to be just like the last one It's going to be just as bitter in the same ranting is going to go back and forth on next door in everything else And if that's what you want You're going to get it. So don't let it happen You know, there are some people that talked in here about it that you know that there are things that we might be able To do differently and I believe that there does need to be some type of an arbitrator and it might be one of you It needs somebody empowered that can look at all the the information and say In my role in government, I think this is the best thing to do. Thank you. That's what I request of you Thank you for your time next Welcome my name is Marcos West Colby happy to be back here with you guys and thanks Steve for the great job and I think that this is going the right direction. We like what we saw his proposal is a good begin Just wanted to reiterate like one thing that I keep hearing is about if we do something, you know There is a huge problem with volume and I keep hearing like well if we do anything the cars gonna go The problem gonna go somewhere else. No, that's not true The the design that we're trying so that the cars may go to a street There's more appropriate to have more cars It's not that every single car gonna go into Alpa or something like that That's his design is pointed towards that like how can we move and move at the right time so that we distribute better the traffic Right. We're not talking about moving the problem to the next street. The second point clear is We got a test, you know, you're gonna hear a hundred people here every single person gonna have a single Different idea of how to do this, right? I'm gonna waste a lot of time again So the best most important thing is to just test right now and Detroit We really ask you to think about the process. That's the most important thing just repeating here There's no way we're gonna find consensus not even maybe me and my wife We think the same way so I'm gonna find consensus You know vote not gonna work because it's like this is a problem mostly on a few streets and all of them So that's the most thing we ask you to think about and thank you again. Thank you Next welcome. Hi, my name is Jim Donaldson. Good evening counsel Hi Let's see. I don't have three minutes prepared. I do have a CPA license I love numbers and I do think that I like where this is headed with Having further discussions. I think in order to facilitate those discussions It would be really important to have good baseline data on traffic moving throughout various streets in the jewel box I don't know if that's all streets ideally it would be just different times a day different days of the week So that if there's ever a question about whether traffic has moved from one place to another You could accurately measure it or at least have an attempt to measure it Blue tooth sounds like an awesome idea. By the way, I think that would be great too Because in discussions I've had over the last, you know, several several months a lot of times We don't know who's creating all the traffic. We don't know if it's locals We think a lot some people think it's a lot of locals some people think it's cut through It would be nice to have some data to support one way or the other who's Who's in all the cars and where they're going? Let's see I think that as the no-turn signs those seem especially the one on Portola seems like it could be pretty impactful I just think that's another reason you should probably get the community to talk in the jewel box if their Restrictions gonna be if their liberty is gonna be restricted as well as potentially people around Just I just I think rushing to just go ahead and start posting no-access signs It might I would not be in favor of that. So thank you. Thank you Ron come on up My name is Ron Burke. I thank you. I thank you. I thank you for doing something about this problem I've had for very many years much appreciated and Steve's work in this. This is great effort I really appreciate it when I led a committee of seven back in 1999 to get us Pete Thompson in the neighborhood It was a lot of work and learned a lot in the process. We did realize of course putting us on some place would not divert trap It only would slow it down What we also noted is that the fact that people on Topaz Street where the problem is just starting a cut-through They would not be fixed by this per se So I'm very supportive of what needs to be done and with Carl Schuber like he said the sooner the better We take actions something needs to be done. We can belabor an infant item I think the proposal we have here in front of us is an excellent first start But I would actually want to address a few things and a couple of letters that were put in here First and Carl's letter about putting a no entry sign to Topaz particular intersection I think it's a great idea I think that's a great idea for the whole community of jewel box as he in and out and actually helps identify the community Maybe something identify here's who we are. We have an identity. We're not just a place you pass through second thing In service I met Arthur's letter. I do sympathize with the fact he was nearly struck I think for a lot of neighborhood who's actually live on the avenues. This becomes a regular occurrence I just want to take this one isolated instance in question But to give you for instance some 47th Avenue There is a house struck by a car that was speaking to the neighborhood on a corner of Jewel Street years ago Similarly across the street There was a fence that was pushed over by a driver who was driving too fast and pushed over the apple tree I've been struck myself by a passing vehicle on their side mirror I can't tell you how many times coming out of my driveway because it's a narrow street We've almost been at my both my wife and I and I'm the only ones in the neighborhood to feel that I need to correct a few things So when Nells Weston's letter Nells is not part of our neighborhood But I appreciate his wanted to weigh in on things Putting the installation of a four-way stop sign at 47th and Capitol Road I don't think it's an appropriate solution. It will help me to the traffic of Capitol Road It effectively make 47th Avenue more than a total which we do not need none of these avenues 45th 7th and 9th Arterials we do not want to encourage that Similarly, we do not want to encourage the traffic to shift west towards 47th We're ready to get rough. I think about 2,600 2,500 cars a day Which is enough for a neighborhood collector Street is not an arterial street And in regards to the three points that were made here about focusing on 47th Avenue He said it is a wide roadway. Actually, it is not 47th Avenue proper to the property measures 40 feet wide If you subtract the six feet for curb and gutter on each side of the street giving you 12 feet You have a remaining 28 feet of width of travel way 45th Avenue is 60 feet wide. So you get the idea Subtract 12 feet. That's 48 feet 49 to 70 feet wide So we don't want to take any more traffic than we need right now It's hard enough the way it is and it's not just the safety of pulling in and out and people driving close to You're walking by the other issues a pack of noise if you understand the physics of noise the way sound works The closer you get the much louder it gets. Thank you, Ron. Thank you much Al come on up Take your time Hey Alice might my senior I take care of them Well, I lived in the jewel box for 46 years and this is our only second dispute We've had in our family and in all those years and the last one We ended up putting the speed bumps on 49th and the stop sign at top has in 49 The this situation is If you know if the people in topaz want speed bumps, you know, I don't really care Along with they do in our street. I think the important thing is for us Not to block any access on 47 We have a fire police earthquake or Santa Rosa fire. That's our main access out of jewel box so when we talk about circles or barricades or Certainly or carving streets. I think that's not a wise decision if they want to Block within their street that won't really affect the rest of us. So I would I Think that would be okay You know, sometimes we all got kids, right a lot of us do and sometimes in the family the best answer is just no So sometimes we probably let this thing get way out of whack already, you know, probably should have been Slowed down long ago. So anyway How I see it. Thank you. Thank you, Mel Welcome My name is Dave Aaron. I live at 49 80 Garnett streets right at the corner there corner of Garnett and Lincoln I want to thank the city council for It's proposed solutions. I think there's some very good ideas in there I wasn't going to talk tonight, but I'm when someone brought the issue of Please make some action so we can try something out I'm sort of a single issue voter and I just wanted to at least put on the table that I Would be against the No left turn at 47th of Portola that would put us during the four hours of peak traffic every time we come From the Pleasure point where we have family would require us to go into the village and come around it just it's a it's a significant impact the other thing I'd request and I realized that this is a little bit of an optic because of the size of where you're trying to Cover but the whole jewel box triangle is left out of the discussion by this type of map And I think you can't appreciate what that no left turn it 47th yeah 47th of Portola unless you include the jewel box triangle in the map that's being shown So I would request it optically the area be expanded to Cover all the neighborhoods. It's actually impacted. Thank you very much. Thank you anyone else I'm sherry mcdonald I live in 47th and jewel right on the corner First of all, I want to thank the council and Steve for his hard work I did participate in several of these meetings and my second point is I'd like to ask where all of the people who are willing to participate and speak up now Were two years ago when we first started this and a year ago when Steve was having his meetings and we did the Survey monkey survey for the city and the postcards went out in the meetings We got very little response something like 16% and Then the city council, I feel like you were coerced into changing something you would already agreed upon voted upon and We suddenly had to change it So what I would like to know is can we do something that will give us better good will this time? Last time we felt like there were a few of us working on issues and nothing happened Currently I sense a lot of rancor and divisiveness within the jewel box and that's unfortunate because a lot Of misinformation has been given a lot of people are talking about their street versus other streets If you look at it logically as Steve has said they've got the same number of speed bumps or humps or whatever We want to call them got the same number of streets coming in the same number of stop signs So the traffic has to be viewed as a complete Jewel box solution and the people who live within the jewel box Should be weighted as a stronger opinion than those who live without outside that boundary of the greater jewel box area And for the people who've written letters and describing simple, you know single instances I want to let them know that I'm sorry that those have happened to them I understand they're frightening and upsetting but those of us who live on the corners of 47th Street or some of the other heavily Traffic streets we get those incidents on a daily basis people, you know I mean we had a bicyclist hit a car parked in our driveway the other night And I'm sure he'd been drinking but it scared me probably it's much or more than it scared him And when I finally went out and he didn't need first aid didn't want me to call anyone He got up and wasn't weaving down the street to someone else's so I'm really worried about the safety of the streets What I'd like to point out in conclusion is if you remove the emotion from it and the ranker that's come One of the things that we have sort of alluded to but not really looked at in depth is 49th Street 49th Street is 70 feet wide and already has existing sidewalks at least on some of the blocks on both sides of the street 47th Street is 30 feet more narrow 40 feet wide property line to property line that means that street is 75 percent wider And we should consider Diverting some of the traffic that comes up 47th Street at enormous speeds well beyond what is designed for and In ignoring the speed bumps almost using them as an obstacle course for enjoyment to a wider street Now I realize there are people influential people who have lived on that street and don't want their street to go through But thank you. We have to think about it Rose come on up No, it's okay We know who you are. We know where you live And Rose let me let me ask you a favor before you begin Comments and and address your comments only to the council because you were Infamous for taking straw poles among the audience. Okay, I'm not gonna do that tonight. I love you. Thank you very much I wasn't actually gonna even speak tonight, but I did want to first. Thanks Steve for coming up with a lot of things for us to to chew on I I take exception to the comment that we've been talking about this for two years Certainly, there are some people in the audience That have been talking to various departments and counsel about this issue for two years The greater jewel box has not been talking about it for two years for many of us January February Was the first time we talked publicly about it after taking a survey That in my opinion was generally disregarded. I Would like you to honor your promise to have facilitated community meeting at least one Two would be better Because I do think we need to sit down as a community talk with a facilitated Manager Listen to everybody talk about what we mutually agree upon Iron out some of the things we don't agree on and come to a solution that pleases everyone So please honor your comments about a community meeting. Thank you. Thank you Rose Anyone else seeing none we'll bring it Making me an auctioneer again I Didn't fill out a card, but I will my name is Judy Panic and I've owned a house on Emerald Street since 1992 I'm in the middle block between 45th and 47th 47th and 49th, sorry, and I just want to mention that the traffic in the jewel box is frightening and There's a dip at Emerald Street at 45th and when people cut through from 45th To 47th and continue on towards 49th. They bought them out on that dip on the corner They bought them out and then they floor it. They floor it all the way past my house John's house on the corner And it's very scary the whole the whole jewel box is very scary So and I agree it's I I didn't hear about Any traffic calming measures in the jewel box until I got an online survey which I took and I haven't heard anything About that sense, but I would really love to see Really new ideas that incorporate for instance every other street being one way You know really chopping it up so that people you know people who cut off at 45th to come all the way down For instance, my street Emerald Street, you know, they can go one block and then they have to go another direction So there's just you know, there's a lot of things that we can do to calm it and to keep people safe. I Was on 49th yesterday and some kids went by I think they were going 50 miles An hour over there's over those speed bumps So, you know, I appreciate that topaz has a lot of problems, but I really think that we should always as well Consider the jewel box as a really special neighborhood and to be aware that we need to preserve the entire thing and keep it safe for us Oh, thank you. Wonderful for your work. Thank you Going once going twice All the comments closed. I'm gonna bring it back to the council Stephanie. Please start us off Well, I'm really glad that we're we're kind of moving in a snail's pace But that's kind of government sometimes for you, which is very frustrating at times But I think we're getting there and that's the main thing and I think we're getting closer to all of you deciding on things You can live with I don't know what's gonna work in your neighborhood That's why I walked the neighborhood and asked the other council members to walk your neighborhood To because you know what will work and you know what we can try to hopefully see if it works So I welcome all of your suggestions tell your other neighbors and friends to give us any ideas to support any of these measures That you like come to the workshops and hopefully we'll work with everyone so that we can all go away in peace And nobody's gonna feel that they got yelled at or they weren't heard But that they are there they were respected. So I think we're gonna have a good outcome from this So I heard a couple things that are very encouraging but first of all, thanks to you for everyone to come here tonight and As problems get more attention more people talk about it and it does spread a little bit You know for those who were first aware of it like those on top as it's been a long time I totally understand that and for people who are now becoming involved and realize that any Solution on top as is going to affect the whole neighborhood and it said multiple times We have to look at the problem as a whole So in trying to help out people on top as we're also going to be helping others in the neighborhood as mentioned many times There's a lot of incidents incidents that are due to Speeding and other things like that that are making the area somewhat dangerous and somewhat of concern to people who live there And I think we heard that tonight One thing I really am very happy to hear is that there seems to be a lot of support for the ideas as Steve has put together. I Really appreciate people that live in town giving support to our staff people and recognizing the work they do and What he's come up with our ideas that I think a lot of you have thought of a lot of you when you think about and say Hey, this might make some sense But as Stephanie just said we don't know what the actual solution is going to be in the end Another thing that I heard a couple of times is calming Not just here tonight, but the idea of just generally trying to calm Traffic in the neighborhood in some of the cases that have come up of people running with people people trying to get out of Driveways and stuff like that. It's going to have impact there So as the neighborhood gets calm down in terms of traffic throughput that probably will divert traffic Okay, and so it's going to have a beneficial effect so the other thing that I've been for for a long time is Rose just talked about a neighborhood meeting is something that we really do need we need to hear other neighbors face to face Talk about their concerns and what they think is going to be the solution and why? So right here. We said, okay traffic ball valves traffic tables and stuff like good idea But we also need to know from a neighbor. That's your neighbor. Why they think that's a good idea If we have a facilitator, it'll be a train facilitator and they'll have an idea of why that might work Or why that idea might not work So totally a meeting a neighborhood meeting as I asked Steve refine it over and we're gonna have another one Okay, so I think that's the scenario that I'm going to support so traffic calming Start with some ideas that Steve's more he's been working on traffic for a long time So he's just you know, we're relatively new to this You know, we know about the stuff in our neighborhood But someone's been working on it for a long time made a career out of it I listen to that guy. So I totally support him. So traffic calming neighborhood meetings and I'm really very happy you are supporting the process Thank you very much Yeah, I'm excited about these new options for traffic calming in the jewel box. I think that they're less intense Have less significant changes than what we had looked at before I think that considering the kind of Concern and I hear the concerns about divisiveness Amongst the neighbors and I think that considering how that was before this is kind of an example of when you know better you do better and I Think that the community meetings are a good idea I think it's really important to get further community input on these suggestions. I think they're fantastic suggestions And with that I will actually make a motion that we authorize staff to proceed with a facilitated public workshop about these options We'll continue the discussion Yeah, I'm thinking on your amendment because if you go back to the staff recommendation I think there were two items on there one was to have the meetings and then include options from council people So are you open to adding options of council people in that amendment? What what do you mean options? It says provide this was the recommendation. I think which is to direct staff to have a public workshop Yes, and then I don't want to say provide direction staff on calming measures and other options Oh, I see absolutely. I can add another option to you And and if I could just add something before you begin I think because of the laundry list of items we've seen it would be probably more productive if council Expresses options that they cannot live with I just want to add one option Go ahead. It's simple. I'll go ahead and talk and then I just please Yes, okay part of that is So I just want to make sure the entire staff recommendation Correct, okay Back to before before we vote on that just want to go back It was brought up a couple times that the council reversed its decision I just want to go back to that because people think that we were coerced or there's a problem I I was the one that made the motion to reverse it And I was the one that made the motion to initiate it and the reason I reversed it is because it became complicated Okay, so there were sequel documents that needed to be prepared It wasn't about that I changed my mind it become became unrealistic So the reason that I made the motion to take it away after the first time was not because I didn't want to follow Through on it because I still believe that I said at that meeting I said this is a real problem and real problems need real solutions and a real solution means we have to take some Action and I know that everybody's hopeful out there for some kind of new innovative action But I don't know that that exists Okay You have people that want to get from point A to point B of the fastest time possible and they really don't care about your Neighborhood or your dogs or your kids. They just want to get to where they want to go I Want to applaud Beverly who has come twice to the meetings and she said you know this is a personal thing I live in the jewel box I'm going to take a different route and if every other member came up with that attitude There would be impact because a lot of the traffic that's in that jewel box comes from cut-through traffic But a lot of it is self-actuated from people that live in the jewel box and some people that came here said they don't want to be Inconvenience I heard it tonight. They don't want to be inconvenienced one bit I personally have driven through the jewel box place myself in the traffic's where I have to come down Capitola Road, which is an arterial and Portola and that's where we want the cars the cars need to be on Portola and Capitola Road they're going to get down to Stockton bridge to the bottleneck and they're going to work their way through the village and now to Park and eventually back to highway one But the thing is is you know if you live in that section of the jewel box Let's say garnet and you know you want to go to simp can swim to center five times a day And you see your route of traffic is topaz then you're not being a good neighbor You're saving time for yourself So I took myself on garnet and I went down got into the traffic on Capitola Road went down to the bridge and made a Right during peak traffic, and it took me about two and a half extra minutes to do that each day I don't think that's a lot of time and that means if you're going to run to simp can swim center five times a day That's another ten minutes you're inconvenienced And when you think about if you're the person if you're the sad person that happens to live on topaz with a thousand cars You're looking for some relief There is no solution that we're going to come up with there's no miracle there's nothing that's going to come up with it Isn't going to inconvenience you at least a little okay, whether it's a speed bump whether it's a left turn whether it's a Bulb out something that we do will have an impact on you It isn't like we can just Bluetooth our way out of this we can identify who's coming through there, but that's not going to solve it I think what you really have to focus on and this is where my concern is is that is that the problem with the Jewelbox is that traffic is being just coming from the cut-through and using the jewel box as the mechanism So we have to if we want to all these things we're talking about Redirecting and turning traffic in the jewel box is just creating a maze What needs to happen is we need to stop the cars from coming into the jewel box Okay, and all these things we're talking about whether it's you know speed tables and science everything else That's not going to work because you need to keep the people on Capitola Road and Portola They're coming in from Bromer to Jade. That's the access point Okay, then they come down there They either make a decision to go down towpads and this is not just whimsical this is and I'm not a traffic engineer Okay, it's just real simple. You just go park your car for two hours at the community center And you watch the cars and they come down and either make the right onto towpads Or they make the left turn and go down 45th 45th. Thank you And then they get back on the capital road They get to the intersection and make a left turn they go to wharf anybody that lives in the jewel box It pays attention to it knows the routine. It's not rocket science So if it was up to me, and I think I said this last time I would put a concrete barricade That Jade and Bromer and not let cars come in That would solve the problem Okay, and and I'm serious because I mean what I'm going to ask is my one suggestion is I'm going to ask Under other council options that the city look into whether that would be a something that requires sequel whether be allowed by the coastal Commission if it's even a viable solution because I still believe that you're not going to get, you know, real problems need real solutions Okay, and that's going to do it. Is that an inconvenience people? Absolutely Just imagine for a second the Jade Street is no longer you can no longer turn off of 41st onto Jade Street But as a resident you have all kinds of ways to get to your home But if you believe that there's a solution that's going to exist here with the common everything else I mean the only way you're going to keep cars off topaz if there's three foot dips every Ten feet and it becomes totally impassable. You have to tell that driver make his experience miserable Otherwise he's going to continue to go down that street and speed bumps. We all know speed bumps Okay, if I'm going to vote for any speed bump it better be one that spills a cup of coffee when you drive over it Okay, because they will drive 30 40 miles an hour with those speed bumps. We'll have no impact on you So I'm here Sensitive to your problem. You have a real problem. Okay, and it's not and I can't you know divert the problem to another street That's not a solution either I think our goal should be how to keep cars out of the entire jewel box and that's why I like that recommendation Got it I Think that the community meetings are a great idea, and it's a kind of a done deal when I read the staff report I think we need to make sure that we are addressing the greater jewel box So taking the 42nd Avenue folks into consideration because they're often forgotten I assume part of the motion is just clarification not an amendment is the The traffic table policy Because that is part that was part of your presentation that we need to if traffic tables are part of the solution We need a policy from the city Regarding how those get put in who participates in the cost and I want to be very careful with that with regard to Participating with the cost I can see where it has to be a great a vast majority of the people in the street That want them but if we impose a greater cost on a street then those streets with financial ability And disposable income will be more apt to be able to have speed bumps and that that speaks it flies in the face of social justice So we have to be really careful with that I don't want speed bumps to become part of the the upper echelon of Income levels. I think that I'm really concerned about the no-left turns because it does have the unintended consequences of driving Traffic into neighborhoods. We aren't even considering I don't want to see that and Whatever we do in these community meetings and however we approach this it has to be with consistency Everybody in here has to agree from the numbers. We've seen and even just sitting around watching it for a day There's significantly more traffic on Topaz whether it's 10 times more seven times more. There's a lot of traffic on Topaz We don't want to take that traffic and put it somewhere else like another Jewel box street, but we do want to get it out of there And Jacques wants to speak again and as much as I don't want to spiral into the black hole of Politicians talking I will a seed and give you a minute to give you give us a thought Yeah, but no way you have a green card a green card. Okay reminds me of soccer. Okay Okay Hey, you guys you got the mayor of Topaz. I mean, excuse me the mayor of the jewel box here, right? He made it work right? Yeah, okay. Yeah, he made it work once, you know And I think I really do I'm saying this because it's my sense of the positive nature of everyone I believe that once you start the meeting despite Everything you may feel right now. You'll start listening to each other and you'll come up with some good solutions and that's a major thing Talking to Neil many times We need some data. So I would like to include on the motion that we include the Bluetooth Survey, how should we work this? Well, let's let's let the community meetings take place and let public works come back with us with the cost and The size of the Bluetooth survey, okay, and I'm still uncomfortable with the whole Bluetooth thing I just want to go on record But I'd like the idea for data. Yeah, I really think we need that just to clarify the there's two types of data we can collect once there's traffic counts like we did on Topaz and Opal and the other streets took snapshot photos. We could do that We can include other intersections and just get volume counts and that would be that would be helpful The Bluetooth is strictly a routing thing. I would think the It doesn't do so much of the counting. It doesn't count every vehicle or anything like that So if we you know depending on how much we want to invest in this The the traffic counts would be more helpful than the Bluetooth. So, okay, so we'll we'll hear back from from the community meetings And I think yeah, do we understand the motion and do you want it repeated? Yes? Okay, the motion is to take the staff recommendation and continue the Put that sheet up No, sorry, right provide direction to staff from the traffic calming measures And I think we have and direct staff to conduct public workshops, and I have also included the the speed bump policy Which should the public meetings bring speed bumps to the fore we need a policy to go with it We may as well get that on the books now We can refer that to use the traffic and parking commission to help prepare that policy. Oh, keep them busy go right ahead Well the the traffic table the traffic table Policy and everything you bring back from the community meetings will have a price tag attached to it So we can weigh this in that in the light of the budget crisis we're going through Jade and And Ed or Ed wants to know what happens if we build the wall on jade so on that one We'll do a cursory look at it and kind of come up with that analysis like we did before Before we start including it in our discussions and by wall that could also be one way coming out towards 41st Right that is basically a wall on jade Right, okay Stephanie I think we might want to get some more traffic numbers for inclusion in the workshop because that might be Valuable information for the community members to have when they're discussing what options they might want to prefer Well, we have a chance to get any more traffic numbers, you know Sometime during the workshops so they can see it we can see it Maybe the first workshop should use whatever we have and should you need more traffic come back to us because we're very Concerned right now by spending thousands of dollars at a time on anything But I don't want to have these workshops and then get the traffic numbers and then you know We have to have another workshop We have to start with the first workshop if there's a need for more traffic studies We'll bring it to us to spend the money and then go forward Got it. Is that too complex? Facilitator I That's that there are facilitators right there. I have an idea so we'll and he has an idea But an arbor an arbitrator did I didn't feel any love for that one We're the arbitrators. I'm sorry to say so there's a motion. There's a second roll call vote, please Councilmember Harlan. Hi councilmember Bertrand. Hi councilmember Peterson. Hi councilmember Botthor. Hi and Mayor Termini. Hi Go forward. Thank you a show of hands. Who's gonna send us nasty letters tonight emails? One cocktail and no problem there's and and let's adjourn the meeting