 Good evening, everyone. My name is Rob Goodwin, chair of the DRB. Call this meeting to order. Can everyone on the zoom platform hear me in the Orca media hear me. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds good. So we'll do a mic test and introduce the four members. So from my right here. Sharon Allen. Kevin O'Connell. Meredith Crandall staff. I'm Rob Goodwin, the chair. Have Michael Lazarczyk. Michael Lazarczyk. Thank you. Jean. Hi, everyone. Welcome. Thank you. Okay. So, just so you know, you were very quiet. You might want to speak up a little, a little bit more when you ask questions and talk later on. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Awesome. Thanks, Dean. We have five members present. Jean is an alternate and we'll be a voting member this evening. And that we'll go on to the first order of business, which would be a review by Meredith of the remote meeting procedures. And then we'll go on to the second order of business. So if you have any, just general members of the public on tonight, we have a representative for tonight's loan application, but I'm going to do this. So that people who are. Attending or watching the orca media. We're streaming. We'll know how to get on. All right. There we go. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. We can participate in tonight's development review board meeting by using the zoom platform. You can do that with either typing this web link into your. Browser. And it should take you right into the meeting. Or you can call in using this phone number. I'm putting in this meeting ID when prompted. If anyone is having problems accessing the meeting, you can call in using this phone number. You can call in using this phone number. Or you can call in using this phone number. I'll be monitoring my email throughout the meeting. So Aaron, right now you're the only one attending zoom that hasn't done this before. Just know that turning on your video is optional. If you are having issues of bandwidth, I advise keeping your video off and just that way. Reserving your bandwidth for the audio. For everyone attending, please keep your microphone on mute. When you're not speaking. So the audio portion should be used only for trouble shooting or logistics questions. We can skip over a bunch of this because we don't have any public members attending. If we have somebody pop in, I'll, I'll. Revert down back to it. In the event that I find out that the public is unable to access this meeting, it will need to be continued to a time and place certain as I noted previously, I would find out about that via email. I will now hand the meeting back over to the chair. Thank you, Meredith. So comments from the chair. It's been a long time. So I've been here. Thank you for letting me have a vacation and well done and conducting smooth meetings in my absence. Be careful. Don't do it too well. You might have to, you know, take over from me someday. And we have one application this evening. It's like no members of the public. My understanding is that Aaron is with the applicant. And we will get to you in a few minutes, but our order of business prior is approval of the minutes from July 18th. We do approve all the agenda. We did not. We did not. Can I get a motion to approve the agenda? So moved. All right. We have motion by Kevin and a second by Sharon to approve the agenda. How do members vote? Sharon. Yes, Kevin. Yes. Jean. Yes. And Michael. Yes. Alrighty. The agenda is approved. Alrighty. Now we are on to approval of the minutes from the eight July 18th meeting. Just double check here whether we can. Nope. We've only got two people. All right. We'll hold on with the next one. Very least. So. Next order of business is the applicant for three 52 river street. She is a Montpelier tractor LLC is the owner. And would you like to come up to the table and introduce yourself? Sure. Okay. Well, if you think you might speak, it's good to be there. And then we'll know who's available because we're actually going to have to swear everybody in who might talk. Perfect. Adam Lane store manager for tractors fly. I opened the building and there's this 2006. Yeah. And Aaron, would you want to introduce yourself? Yeah. I'm blue with Onyx creative where the. Architect engineers and so forth for the project. This was chair. I would suggest that perhaps. Meredith could give us a. Brief summary. Okay. You can do that. That's where the business is first, but we can do that after your summary. Yeah, either one. Yeah. Go ahead, Meredith. I just didn't want to lose it. I didn't know if you had it in your mind. Yep. Go ahead, Meredith. So I'm just going to do a brief overview of how. You know, general aspects of the project. And then you'll get sworn in as witnesses. Okay. And then you guys will get to do your presentation. So. Okay. So I'm just going to, I'm just going to, you know, I'm just going to, you know, it's sometimes it's hard to see if it's a new building or an addition, but because they're connected, we're actually going to, we've been calling it an addition. But it's a new aspect of the structure that's more than 2000 square feet in area. And so that has triggered major site plan. Which. Then follows on all these other triggers of things like. You know, I'm just going to do a brief overview. So I'm just going to do a brief overview of things like that that often would get pulled in. Now there. There's a few different things called out in my staff report. The. You know, biggest one really does actually have to do with the landscaping. I did not require. I did not require the landscaping plan. Because in the last set of revisions to our zoning regulations, we put in this lovely little exemption for certain projects, trying to weed out all the little projects where. You wouldn't have a change in impervious surface. You're not disturbing the soil. You don't need new screening. So why do you need a landscaping plan? The intention was to have that to be small projects, so that all triggers site plan, but we didn't want to trigger a big reevaluation of landscaping for that. Well, this project, even though it's a 3000 square foot plus addition. Doesn't add in Perseverance surface doesn't need new screening. Doesn't disturb soil. And so I said, well, technically I don't think this is supposed to have a landscaping plan, even though that may not be what we intended, but that's the board's going to have to take a look at that. If the board feels like the, the intent language in that clause is actually controlling. Then we can, can move on from there. If they decide they want to see a landscaping plan and come back and try and meet all those landscaping requirements, but that would mean trying to bring the landscaping into conformance. So that's shade trees on the parking lot that street trees. It's a lot of, it's a lot more analysis. And I tried to lay that out in the staff report. That's really the biggest question mark that I found in here. The rest of the project. You know, there's some things in here in red where the board needs to make a determination, but I suggested how I'd see the path forward there. That's what I've got. Okay. I'm sure we'll have more questions for you as we move along here, but thank you for the summary. So first provider to guys providing testimony, we'd like to swear you in. It looks like there's just two people here that are going to be providing testimony. So would you raise your right hand and Aaron, you can raise your right hand and we trust you. I haven't raised. Great. Do you solemnly swear or affirm that the testimony you are about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing, but the truth under the pains and penalties of perjury. I do. I do. Thank you. So we will turn it over to you or Aaron to give a summary of the, the project and do what you want. Aaron is in charge here. Aaron, feel free to share your screen if that's something that you're comfortable with. Okay. I just, the question I have is I'm assuming that, that you guys there in chambers have the, what was, what was submitted with respect to the plans and everything. Okay. And I can share my screen if there's a finer point that needs to come up. If you're not in a space to do that. Cause I have everything, the whole packet up on my computer. It's really whatever is easiest for you all. I have the packet. I went in where the agenda was. I made sure I downloaded it that way. I had the same thing that you guys had. So it's, it's really whatever is easiest for you guys. Okay. Okay. Give me one second. Now, if I mess this up, I, I say, I'm sorry already. All right. Well, we got your back. If it doesn't work. Okay. So. Yeah, let's see. There we go. Let me know if you guys can see that. It's starting. It's taking a minute to load. There we go. Yep. Thanks. Okay. I'm just going to start with our cover sheet and then kind of put it back on. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Can you turn your volume up a little bit? Yeah. Is that any better? Yeah. Yep. Okay. So I'm just going to start with our site plan. Existing tractor supply. Existing site, existing site features for the most part. The intent here is kind of two fold on behalf of tractor supply. And that is a garden center or greenhouse addition. So that's where we're going to start. And that's where we're going to start. And that's where we propose to take place within the existing fenced area that tractor supply already has. And uses as outdoor sales space. The other component, which for this meeting, you probably aren't too concerned with, but it's also an interior remodel that we're doing. And we've kind of lumped these projects in together. So you may see additional stuff in this. So that's where we're going to start. And that's where we're going to start. And that's where we're going to focus on the exterior structures and paint and freshing up the interior. So. I'm going to focus on really the exterior portion. And that's this garden center that we have. Just outside of the building. It is connected to the building. Although it is a free standing independent structure that is. More long lines of a pre-engineered building. So that's where we're going to start. And that's where we're going to start. The plan is healthy and they can also store. More of the seasonal type merchandise. In the space. So. And if anybody has any questions as I go, please just stop me. This is more of our life safety plan. We, we even though we're adding on and we're cutting in an automatic door from the existing. We do independently. Egress this addition. Even though. You know, people could still enter from. This garden center back into the store and vice versa. There are point of sales. Be both existing on the inside. New point of sale. On the exterior. We do have a demo plan. Very simple. Really almost. Too simple. And then we're going to. We're going to. Mainly because we're relocating a propane tank, which is currently there. We're just shifting it over. And giving ourselves room for this new garden center. And then. At each of the. The post locations for the column for the garden center columns. We have a little two by two square. So we cut out, pour the footers and. Pour it back in. Same material, whether that's asphalt or concrete. These are just door and hardware. So one thing I didn't want to bring up or to make note of, I did see in the staff report. Meredith that there was a question on the GLA. And what size the addition actually is. This addition is scheduled to be 66 foot deep. So we have 52 foot wide. So that gives us. 3,432 square foot. Addition of GLA and our life safety plan. We kind of go to the inside of that. So from a building permit perspective, we would call that 3,406 square feet. But a little bit more square footage is actually your overall. You know, I don't know. Yeah. Sorry. Okay. So, yep. So we've got the. Cause first GFA also. So this is all. The whole thing is going to have your height. Same height. Yes. Okay. No, I, no, I, it'll be. Down the center. Of this. Well, down to centers is going to be ridges on each side. But. I'll still, I'll still walking height. I'm just trying to. Correct. Your GFA is your usable space. And then your friend. That's all. Yep. Okay. So you said 3,400. 32. 32 is the actual footprint. Got it. Yep. Awesome. And what were those dimensions again? Just to. It is. Um, 66 feet. And 52 foot wide. Got it. Thank you. Nope. No problem. So, um, Really from there. Um, yeah, other than the garden center and relocating the propane tank. Um, We're not doing a whole lot in this new fixtures. They're going to reorganize the fixtures and their, their floor. And they'll have the new building. And I'll. I'll have the additional nice layout in this space and I'll actually kind of. Skip ahead to that. So, you know, different materials and fixtures and you can see they have racks and stuff which are. On the exterior around this addition. Um, This addition again, we call it an addition. I know that you were talking about whether it's new building or addition. It's all within and behind that existing fence that's there today, not messing with that, not changing the size of that, or anything like that. So it's all within the existing footprint of the fenced areas is what I believe I just heard you say. That is true. Yes, sir. And there's additional, what shelves being built and what is the type of physical improvements that could be going on there? Well, on the exterior, you're gonna see a lot of the same merchandise, the fence panels, their posts, I can't even, I see kinda, I know it based on what this plan is, storm answer there, probably be able to tell you better what they actually put out there that I could, but. Was the question, sorry, was the question referring to what's going to be outside or inside the greenhouse? It didn't, the actual things for sale? Yeah, yeah, and how are they stored? I mean, are they put on shelves or they put on, what exactly? So it's the inside of the greenhouse will have like plastic racking for plants, that kind of thing. I think basic pallet racking, I believe, in the backside and down the side, I think is how it works. Right, yep, yep, that's accurate. To the racking, that's correct. We have pallet racks that are in there. Yeah, pallet racks are in there. Plant racks, they're multi-tiered that you see, I don't wanna use a competitor's name, but you see it at Lowe's and Home Depot. You get into that a lot, but yeah, it's very much in line, the same idea, same concept, if you will. Yep. So from here, I'll go to the elevations. The roof, the front, the sides is all steel frame with polycarbonate material to let the sunlight in. There is an extra gable that you see that we have a pickup area, and this allows customers to come into this area and do pickup of the larger goods, the bigger fence panels, bags of topsoil or mulch, stuff like that. So we kind of have an extra, if you look at the top elevation that we have here and you have the front of the building, you have two gables worth, which is the garden center. The third one, if I'm all the way to the left, is just an open-sided, it's metal top, metal front sides, but it's open-sided, and that's kind of just a, we call it the drive-through gable, but that's kind of just what covers and tries to round off the rest of this space that we have. As I mentioned, the front sides, rear of the addition, are all gonna be polycarbonate or roll-up curtains to allow for ventilation and everything like that. You know, I don't know what it's like in Vermont right now, but I know here in Cleveland, Ohio, it's quite warm and quite humid, so it does help in allowing some of the heat to get out and stuff like that during this time of year. So really, that's kind of the crux of it all. It's what we're trying to do, and this is actually a nationwide thing that we've been doing with tractor supply. We're doing this all across the country. Very similar, some differences, as you can imagine, but this is kind of the new brand that tractors buy as a company. This is what we're working towards. Erin, can I just ask that underneath that drive-through portion of the gate there, that's an existing road, right? The little passage through, I don't wanna call it a drive-through because it's really not a drive-through. Every time I say drive-through, somebody thinks of Starbucks or something like that, and that just really throws a wrench through everything. But yes, this drive-out where we have the painted markings of one way that's existing today, we've actually reduced the size of it some. It was wider in the past when we've now taken the new criteria for tractor supply now it's just basically a singular 14 foot wide lane. There's not a lot of traffic that comes through here and it's all controlled. The front gates are controlled, they're not open all the time. And the rear gate, as a matter of fact, what we're gonna do for that is that we'll get an automatic opener on the rear gate that way once a customer does come in here and pick up, it'll have a feedback loop saw cutting to the ground that will activate as a customer pulls up to it to where it opens and lets them out. But they do do control. We don't have that on the front because we want the store associates to control who's entering and coming into that space. So that would be those front gates are manually operated by a store employee. And so how do the customers exit? Straight through, they would just straight through and there's another gate on the rear that opens automatically. But like, do they go around the building or is... Can you go back to the larger site plan? Yeah. The same way they do now? Yeah, it works the same way that this was done when they got approved the original build of it. So that drive-through also is where we go to with curbside going forward because like right now you park out front and call the store. Well now with this, they come in the front gate, call the store, they come through and we load curbside right out of the greenhouse. That's what that little front corner thing is in the greenhouse. If I can, Aaron, we got this in four stores in Vermont already. Bradford was built this way. And if you, I've been filling in in Bradford while the storm energy gets to a new place once a week. It's awesome. I mean, just to, just for clarity here, so that they come through and then they go around the building. And take a left and go back out. Take a left. And so then like deliveries for the store. Like come around the other way. And that's that is that you can fit well, two tractor trailers in there now because we unload them there sometimes. But yeah, perfect. But they do come around that way. I think I four or five today with gates and pellets and other stuff through the yard. And then this surface of that gardens, all of the existing fenced in area, is that paved asphalt or is that concrete? Sorry, Aaron, that is concrete, right? You know, I was going to try to pull out my photos because I didn't, I don't know the answer to that right off the top of my head. It's currently concrete. And it is the same in Bradford is the same in that concrete that's in the yard. So the plan is like the floor is gonna stay the same. You're just building up in a roof on top. Absolutely. Yep. We're not changing the existing pavement. It'll just remain perfect. They're gonna like paint some new lines for the aisles, stuff like that. And then punch holes to put in the supports for the garden center and the new arch. But, and that's why I was like, I can't say that they're disturbing soil. I don't know. Yeah, it doesn't come across like that. I mean, logically speaking, it seems that this is just an expansion of the existing. Yeah. And it's, I mean, exactly. It's, it's something that we intended to catch to make people then bring their landscaping up to the new standards, but the language rewrote doesn't seem to do that. And I think, I think that you would want to give the benefit of the doubt to the applicant in the situation where it's not clear. Absolutely. That's my understanding of the way we normally do things. Well, as I was redoing this, that's what kept jumping out of me. I kept thinking, well, we could make this more complicated, but you know, is that fair to the applicant? Yep. Yeah, no, I think it seems pretty straightforward. I just have a couple more questions. Any proposed, like compressors or generators or any extra utilities or whatnot? Nope, all existing utilities, all no new connections to anything underground, no new water taps, no upsizing or anything like that. The only thing that potentially this space will be sprinkled. So there will be fire protection coverage. Now we typically, the way we do this with tractors fly and actually with a lot of retail is we have, that's kind of a design build. So the only thing that may come up with regards to any type of utilities would be any type of upsizing we may need to do to get that fire protection system to be able to provide the coverage required for this space. And then it's a greenhouse or what? I'm just trying to understand here. So it will it be like heated like a greenhouse with like ventilation fans or whatnot? Or is it? We do, we do do fans. They're just regular fans inside to move air. But no, we're not providing air conditioning or anything like that. I mean, it's polycarbonate. So we, you know, what you kind of put in might be just lost anyways. So we're not, not intending to use to do anything like that. Sharon. There was a question about the lighting for the greenhouses. Is that right? And that shielding, did you read that in the staff report? I did. I did. And I actually had my engineers ahead of this provide me with a cut sheet of what we currently specify, the response that I got from them. And let me pull that email up. Please. And I will tell you exactly what they're telling me that it is fully shielded. The problem with the cut sheet is they're telling me that most interior lights don't actually say that they're shielded. So we looked at the cut, the physical cut of that in the diode, which is what is emitting the light is above the bottom of the enclosure. And then there is a lens that sticks down below that, but the actual light emitting diode is above, above that enclosure. And Meredith, I can send you this cut sheet to after this meeting. So you have it. Yep. No, if you could do that, you could try and share it just so that it's technically on the record tonight. See if you can find it. Cause technically for them, for the board to be able to consider it, they need to see it. Although your testimony saying that that's how it's going to be. B is, yep. Okay. Can you guys see this? Yep, there's a mental un-mounting details. Yep. And then the diode is just above the bottom of the actual body of the light. I can zoom into that if you'd like. And that's what I look for when I look at whether or not somebody has fully shielded that. Where the actual light emitting part is needs to be above your side solid pieces. And what is the intensity of that LED? I think it was 9,000 lumens is the ones that you chose. 22,000. Oh, well, these are different. Do you have a 30? This is up to 22,000 lumens. I think we do have a 9,000. Yeah. In the plan, the light plan said each light would be 9,000 lumens. So as long as you don't go above that per light, I don't remember where I found it. I did find it in there somewhere. There's a lot of numbers. You probably find it a lot faster than I will. Let's see if it's in our schedule. 9,000 lumens LED. Yep. Yep. Yeah, you have to match up your marks for Ys and the YEs, but those were the inside lights in the garden center itself, which is just Ys and YEs. So yeah, and the way I judge things when I look at this, that would be fully shielded. So yeah, if you could send me that cut sheet, I can put that in the package. Yep. No problem. Really wish I'd taken a picture of Bradford to show you. Perfect. So I think that good idea, the scope of the project, I don't know if there's any other sort of details of application or whatnot that they need to have to continue our discussion here. Perfect. So yep, in there. Okay. Awesome. Thanks, Rub. So we were discussing earlier, it seems to be some consensus that this is, really not much change in this facility from what is currently there related to the amount of customers and that seems to be the nature of the application. We do have sort of one parking and loading issue to navigate through the regs. And that question is whether to classify this as high turnover customer traffic or regular customer traffic. And now, is Sharon? I guess I would think of regular customer traffic. I mean, you don't zip in to traffic supply, throw something in the truck and zip out. I mean, I think, you know, it's much slower than that. Regular traffic seems like a good way to interpret it. Absolutely. Any other board members have any, how many thoughts on this before we dive in? All righty. And so of course, I put the Starbucks in the drive sir. I don't know about Starbucks, but I'd be down for it, donks. And so, I mean, so the regs sort of direct us to refer to the administrative officer with his Meredith on this, if there's any uncertainty, which, you know, Meredith seemed to think that it wasn't 100% clear for a tractor supply, it's, you know, what it is. Well, yeah, I mean, I'm supposed to make a determination that puts in there. And I think because it was sort of in between and the board ultimately makes the decision, but my suggestion is that it would be regular traffic, not the high turnover that then pushes the parking requirement down. And so there's, you know, I mean, the number of parking spaces right now is 84. If it was the high customer turnover under our numbers, it would need one more parking space. That doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever. I think the regular customer traffic, parking interpretation fits with what we all see there. I don't know if I ever see that side lot, parking lot space full, you know, and when I go there, it's usually a Friday or a Saturday. Maybe on a Saturday on the weekends, it'll be some. Maybe. Yeah, but it's not, it's not gonna, I always find parking there. I don't see that they need an extra parking space. So if the board's good with making the determination that it's a regular customer traffic, that's easy to write into the decision. I think that's a rational explanation and I'm glad we're in agreement there. So the next topic here is the, you know, the landscaping, which I think we're here on board to sort of come to some sort of creative way to get through it. Meredith, do you have any guidance for how we tackle this? Basically it's, I mean, the first question is, does the board think that this project falls within the exemption, right? Because the entire landscaping provision, you can say it does not apply when development does not change in previous cover, no soil is disturbed and development does not impact landscaping. That's the operative sentence of this clause. The, you know, intention where it's intended to apply, that's guidance. It doesn't matter if that's the intention, if what they wrote, the specific criteria that they wrote apply, right? To the situation. It was an error in the way it was drafted that it captures more than was intended. I don't think the board and the zoning administrator are required to apply the language as it's written. Exactly. Sharon. I just would, I guess, sort of add my voice to the thing, that exemption does apply, especially because they're not moving any parking, they're not landscaping anything else. I mean, they're just really moving nothing there. And so I feel like without the regulation, specifically saying that they need to step it up and much that they should not have to. I mean, I agree with that. I guess I would, I would, I would agree too. And may you put it a separate way if we had a residential permit come in and someone has a deck with no roof on it and they're going to come in and they're going to put a roof on their deck. We might not require a landscaping plan because they're going to put a roof on an already constructed deck. And Brandon, that this is a larger scale commercial property, but we do have pretty good evidence that there is no disturbance going on, no expansion outside the existing footprint. It's already a concrete pad. It's a paid parking lot. Yes, I'm okay with that. Anyone on our, Gene or Michael, you guys have anything to add? Well, I'd be in such a, I mean, from reviewing this and reading section three, two, three, that it's sort of existing. You have to start over, Gene. We couldn't quite hear you from the beginning. We're reviewing on three, two or three here on the section. There's currently six to seven trees right now, as is mentioned, but those are recommended to nine larger trees and 15 medium to small trees. Is that? If the provision applies, yeah, there's added street trees, added shade trees that would need to be added and put in, but the whole question, we don't even get there if the exemption applies at the beginning. Thank you. Is that it, Gene? Yeah, sir. Michael. I'm all in favor of the exemption and I'm not going to bring up the point about the utility right away because it sounds like everyone is going to be in agreement. So they're exempt from any additional vegetation appointments. So it looks like we're okay on parking, okay on. Can I go back to one thing on the parking real quick? Yes. Then this question is from Meredith. In that section of Meredith, there was a reference to, it's something like, if there's 40 spaces, you need to have one EV charging station set aside and you didn't have that in red. You don't have to tackle that. Yep, because it's, if it will, if the development will create 40 parking spaces, no parking spaces are being created at all. Right, so even though we're sort of, we're narrowing down the parking spaces, we don't have to, we're not triggering that inadvertently, are we? Yeah, we're not, we're not, we aren't reducing the actual number of parking spaces. What the analysis is about the minimum number of parking spaces I went into was, do they currently have enough parking spaces, right? And so the minimum required is 56, but they aren't changing the use. So it doesn't matter and they can have up to, if we go with regular parking, they could have up to 112 parking spaces without special board approval. So if right now, if they came back and they said, we actually want to add more parking spaces, just draw them in somewhere else. As long as they met the regulations, they could go up to 112 with administrative approval without having to come to the board, as long as they weren't adding too much impervious surface or something along those lines and otherwise triggering board approval. But yeah, the EV charging stations aren't triggered right now. Okay, yeah, I just want to make sure we're not inadvertently triggering. Nope. Okay. We're not. I'm good then, thank you. Yeah, thanks, Michael. Michael. Um, we've already gone over the lighting. Thank you for providing that cut sheet. We'll just make sure that that gets included in the, you know, the condition than the, in the final permit materials. And I think we've gotten through the major issues here unless Mary, this seems we missed anything. No, I think as long as the board is happy with how I summarized the section three, two, seven, design and compatibility. There's no, there's no really read in there until the very end of the staff comment because technically I can't make that final determination. But my understanding in my read through of these is that a lot of these architectural compatibility and design standards either don't apply or the application clearly meets them given what's happening, right? That it's a new aspect, a new type of structure being added, you know, a greenhouse is not going to look like your brick and mortar store. It's clearly going to look differently, but they've echoed, you know, the triangular shape on the front of the building, all that stuff. I think it comp, it, it complies with all the applicable section three, two, seven standards. The board just, if the board has any issues, they need to speak up. But if they agree with me, then go for it. Yeah, maybe just confirm architecturally. So the height of the proposed store in relation through the proposed addition in relation to the existing store. How high is, you know, just take a look at elevation profile again. Yeah, so it really breaks it up, right? It's clearly, it's making it even less of a solid block of a building. It's making it more interesting with, you know, your very different sections. It, to me, and you've, you know, it seems to match right in. Absolutely. I think the retail term is soft. Yeah. It's called softened. Softened, yes. So I guess slightly unrelated. So we didn't talk about drainage. It's not necessarily a big issue, but could be a consideration. So right now you have a concrete pad and, you know, the water flow is obviously somewhere on the site. I don't know if you've done any analysis of this versus you have the roofs coming in. Is that going to change the flow of water at all anyway? It's not. And the intent is, you know, we're adding and covering, but we're still spilling that collected rainwater back out on to the ground to sheet flow as if this roof covering wasn't there before. It kind of really does not change any of the drainage profiles. So will there be any gutters on these or what not, or is it just kind of kind of sheet off? No, there's gutters and we bring it down and we have basically perforated drains that at grade, you know, so it's not just dumping water off the top on anybody who's walking out there or walking out the doors, but we do collect into a gutter and then just basically splash it to grade. It's basically what we're doing about everywhere. My understanding from the application packet was that there were some drains that go into a stormwater system, but is that not the case? We shouldn't be having any, we're not tying into any storm. It would only be surface water sheet draining just like that area does today. Okay. Did DPW weigh in on this? Yeah, DPW had no issues on any of it whatsoever. They were quite good with us. Actually, all three of our engineers looked at it. Okay, that's good to know. Have you thought about trying to capture any of that rainwater off the clearer roof to use as water for your plants that you've got out there? This is just, I'm not on the board, I'm just staffed, but- I accurate that question. I have some questions. You know, rain barrels, there you go. Free water. Yeah, I mean, I understand. I do that for my garden at home. So I can't say that, no, it hasn't been thought of, but that's just not the path. I don't know how to better respond to that. I think that the concern is just to make sure, maybe you can confirm this, that the installation of the roofs and how it drains off the roofs is not gonna cause the water to go in any different direction off of the site or direct it to another storm drain that it is now that maybe can't handle it or whatnot. Okay. The current grade, it goes into this two storm drains which are connected to the retention pond now back as far as I know. And I'm not an architect, but the way I have not seen in any of those stores water going in any other different direction than what it currently does now. That's a personal experience because that was a question of mine as well. Where does water go? Yeah. Yeah. Especially in the winter. But, Rottlin, St. Albans, Bradford, no issues. Colleague to colleague, because it's just the first question I asked. Yeah. Sorry, Aaron. Well, no problem. Just to note, I don't think you would need to come back for any kind of zoning permit if you decide you do wanna install rain barrels. Great. Even for, I mean, it's not really a structure. It's just. Collecting water. It's a water tank inside something. It's not a new structure. It's already impervious surface. So if you go, hmm, we actually could make that work. You know, depending on how big they are, call me, but you're not gonna have to come back to these guys. I mean, ironically, they sell them. Yeah. We've got tanks. What size? 275 out back, but we're wonderful. Wonderful. Okay. Well, board members don't have any other questions. I would accept a motion to move along here. Go ahead. So I would make a motion to brand major site plan approval for the construction of 3,000 plus square foot greenhouse at 352 River Street, including associated site plan changes. The expansion of the retail sales and service has presented the application along with the additional lighting cut sheets. Is that the two following conditions approval? Nope. Nope, you don't need that. Just along with those additional lighting cut sheets, period. Motion made. Motion by Sharon and a second by Kevin for approval with a few conditions. I think let's just review the condition first about the lighting cut sheets. Oh, no, because I included that. It was technically entered. It was entered. It was entered because he was able to show it to everybody who's here. So he's just going to get it to me. Okay. It's been entered. So we have a motion for approval and is there any discussion on the motion? Okay. With that, I will start a roll call vote here. Sharon, how do you vote? Yes. Kevin. Yes. Gene. Yes. Michael. Yes. Rob votes yes. That is unanimously approved. Thank you very much. Meredith will follow up with the details. Yeah. So we'll get the written decision out as soon as possible. Technically, the board has 45 days from today to get the decision out. We work very hard to do it much, much sooner than that. And because there's no conditions on the approval, once the decision is drafted, reviewed by the chair signed, we'll be issuing that and the permit at the same time. And then there's a 30 day appeal period from the date that the decision is signed. And so technically you're not really supposed to start construction until that appeal period is over. Anything you do in that appeal period is at your own risk if somebody appeals, but we haven't had any comments from any neighbors. So we will be in touch as soon as possible. We will try and get that to you as soon as possible. Awesome. Okay. I will send you this cut sheet here in about five minutes. Perfect. And when I'm in Bradford next week, not this week, I'll take more pictures if you want to stop by. I'll show them to you. That'd be awesome. And feel free to email me or stop in with ideas if you decide you want to go with the green barrel route. Wonderful. Thank you. One more, thank you very much. All right. Thank you, everybody. Thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome. All righty. We have one more order of business for this evening, which is the election of chair and vice chair. So just context there that this happens every year in August. Yep. Every year in August. The first meeting in August. It doesn't have to be the first meeting in August. It's in August. It just has to be in August. So we, since we're like, we're actually gonna have a meeting the first weekend. Let's put it on the agenda. If people felt like they really needed to move it because they were missing somebody that wanted to be one of those positions, then people could say, nope, let's bump it. But my understanding is we are not missing anybody who wanted to try and be in one of those positions. And we have five people here. That is a majority of the sitting regular board members. Well, it's my recollection, Sharon. You can correct me if you see it differently. But I remember that not attending the meetings put you at risk of being elected an officer. Exactly, it did happen. It has happened to me. I think I've missed three meetings since I've been on board. Well, in that case, I'd like to make a motion to elect Rob Goodwin and the chair of the board. Second. Second by Jean. Motion by Sharon for the election of myself as the chair. Does anyone have any discussion on the motion? Do you want it? I think you've done a great job in the short time that you've been chair, Rob. And I wish you many more years of... Board productivity. Well, thank you, Kevin. I guess we will vote. Sharon, how do you vote? Yes. Kevin? Yes. Jean? Yes. Michael? Yes. Rob? I'll abstain. Well, you were here. I guess you can abstain. I will make a motion to elect Sharon Allen as the next chair, just as a... Vice chair. Vice chair, excuse me. I am not a candidate this year. So I'm passing the torch. I'll second that motion. So is there any discussion? No. Jean? So Kevin, he's not... He's passing the torch. Is that what he said? That's what I said, Jean. Okay, we have a motion on the table with a second by myself. Sharon, how do you vote? I think I will abstain as well. Thank you. Kevin, how do you vote? I vote yes. Jean? Yes. Michael? Yes. Rob votes yes. Hey. Welcome. Thank you. For anybody who's not aware, when Sharon served on the board previously, she also served as vice chair for a time. So she's got experience, but she's got experience. So I'm going to go back to the chair. Chair. Chair meetings and acting as vice chair. And so it's. I, you know, for anybody who wasn't aware, when we had this open seat, we had had discussions with city council. All right. This is the manager's office. That we really wanted to make sure that we were adding people with experience in the leadership officer roles. So that we had more of a breadth of, of people available. So we had a lot of leadership after what happened when Kate left, when nobody really wanted to be chair vice chair, or felt like they had the experience to do it or both. So we're very, very thankful. At least done in planning department that Sharon. Had in and got appointed. Thank you. It's very fun to be back. Exactly. Say, I'll have you guys vice chair again. Welcome back. Thank you. Thank you. So our next regular meeting will be August 15th. Do we have applications? We do. We have two applications. And I'm going to preview it for people here, just in case somebody has to recuse themselves from anything. You can see them on our pending applications page. We have an appeal from a. A zoning administrator me determination. About a non-conforming use. At four coming street. So this is going to be revisiting the contractors yard off of coming street. And in this case, their parking situation out front of the building. And in their side alley. And the appellant there is one of the neighbors, David Wells. And the second application. Is a, it's a boundary line adjustment. For a parcel on chestnut hill. And normally that would be administrative, but it needs to go through the board because approval is going to have to be conditioned. On city council. It's going to have to be approved by the city council. And it's going to have to be approved by their property owners. It's a fun little complicated. I'm sorry. It's a city council. I'm going to need to act prior. That's no after. So. The development review board, if they approve the boundary line adjustment, the approval will be conditioned upon the city council. Approving changes to the open space agreement. And that's not something as a zoning administrator. I'm allowed to do. That's the only reason it's going before the board. That's the only reason it's going before the board. So. I don't want to get to the staff report. But I want to just preview it in case somebody was like, Oh, no, you know, I can't, I can't be part of it. Yep. So the appeal, Mike Miller will be staff again. Yep. We staffing the appeal. I will be in the audience. As needed as a witness slash defendant. Because it's my determination, but you may not need me at all. And they just be Mike and the appellate. Perfect. on August 15th and I will accept the motion to move along. Motion to adjourn. Second. Motion by Kevin and second by Sharon to adjourn this meeting. Sharon, how you vote? Yes, Kevin. Yes. Michael. Yes. Gene. Yes. I vote yes. Thank you very much everybody. All right. Have a good one. Thank you guys. See you in two weeks.