 Working on it. All right. I'm gonna tell my kids to get off the internet Should I keep the mood lighting yeah, why not keep it interesting Look there's people hi people. How are you? No way there is not people, but I figured I'd just say that anyway just to get us all excited Well, you have to yeah all the radio hosts do it hi That's true, so if we just pretend of this is like a radio show We're cool. So yeah, we'll get the data on how many care later That's so true Borderline funny In the meantime minute yourself. Yeah, so and welcome to the spirits of ABA. I am drinking. What is this? soda water with Cranberry juice because I didn't want to add anything else to it because this is kind of a serious thing But once in a while, we'll make it maybe have a little but not as serious not as serious today today We are not going to be super serious, but in a serious sort of way anyway Mr. Bishop welcome to the spirits of ABA welcome to a live session and we will continue to leave up for folks Um So thanks for welcoming to my own channel exactly you didn't bother to welcome me like where is the social reinforces? No You interrupted you don't get a welcome though. Hmm. Fine. I Don't know what to say. I don't know if I've been punished or if I've been reinforced I didn't I shall I depends on what behavior you were antagonized. That's a motivating operation. I think I Believe so, oh, what did you get to drink? I have a Chinese master broth. Oh Sounds quite wonderful. Which is It's quite wonderful It goes well with a wonderful bourbon although we are dry this time as well because we're trying to be serious But you'd find yourself pretty much put an herb put in the bone broth life is good put an herb put in a bone broth This sounds like all your advice It's like a witch's brew. I think you would be right Wait a minute this goes back to the OBM video winches and winches and winches witches and ooh that could be a series Brew a witch's brew not a winches working on it a witch is who you got the eyes of an SLP See we like our SLP friends In fact, I got the lucky opportunity to get a phone call an emergency video freed from an SLP today Help me with this child. I'm like, I'm not qualified. She's like, I don't care. I just need help So anyway, it was really cool To watch an SLP adopt behavioral principles in an instant and then it was amazing and she was doing SLP work And she was literally I mean it was unbelievable. She was doing this consistent like reinforcement She was so good. Like I was like you have that child. I'm like an FR one and she's like what are you even talking about? I'm like you're doing it right. Just keep going And the kid was responding and like when the kid would ask for a break she would give the kid a break and I'm like You're perfect. Just shorten the amount of work time and life's good. Like we'll go from there, but she was doing great. Um, so It's fun to see naturally where you're just like, ah there it is. Yeah, it was great I didn't even have to prompt it. She's like, I don't know what to do. I'm like you're doing it Just just keep doing your thing So I suppose since we are now three minutes into the beginning of our brand new event We should announce what a brand new event is would you Why don't you start us off with a discussion and it all follow up and we'll chitchat and go back and forth All right. Well, welcome. This is the spirits of ABA. It is where we are trying to take the behavioral perspective Throughout topics in the world if you will so we plan on discussing a multitude of things essentially kind of a you name it big picture large idea sure, but we would like to Apply and or open the floor to those topics which we plan on doing there a few planned Yep, that are coming down the pipe got to get some people organized oak food They're picking up. We'd like some perspective outside of our own um, but yeah, that's kind of the name of the game and For those of you that are watching now and who are watching later. You can see how Brad and I interact We are very light. We're very fun. We'd like to have we have a lot of energy when we talk about this content And we want this sort of thing to be that way So for those of you that have the link and are participating live you can contribute to the conversation We have the chats up. Of course, they shown up on the feed We have the chats in here as well too and we can respond to you and so on so forth And of course we can talk and see those things This is intended to be a piece of the perks that you get for becoming a member of our channel The first one make the second one We're going to leave it open for everybody to generate some interest And tonight is just a hey, hi, how are you? Here's what we're doing some examples of what's going on In fact, you already heard an example of that when you first got on us kind of bouncing back and forth And having fun talking about things like reinforcing each other and socially and all that fun stuff Yes prompts here as some random person has simply said enter your prompts in there in that box If you have access to it if you don't that means you're watching it After it has been recorded and is no longer live So therefore we will only respond if you send a different way of communication because this won't even be there Anyway, side of the point which makes a special type of response prevention and access to reinforcers So, uh, let's see what's up some of the first topics that we talked about one of the things that we've got Go ahead. Sorry You you forgot you had the prompts followed But you forgot reinforcers in the martini glass, please. Oh, yes. Yes. And there's ways to make that happen Like if you if you look down the feed, there's a button you can click on there for contributing to our To our channel So we do take tips it'll fill up as you go if you subscribe and become a member it'll add little pictures in there It's really kind of fun Not really permanent product, but it'll be that way until we hit the empty button It kind of overflows and looks ugly, but That's the way it is Um, let's see. So some topics So we we we bounced around with how we wanted this to look because there's a lot of podcasts From the behavioral world out there and they're amazing, right? You can go everywhere from behavior observations to the behavior bitches It doesn't matter who you're talking about out there. Everybody has a really cool value that they bring to the table So we didn't want to replicate what somebody else was doing But we also want to make it useful. We can't like it's we're not that good No, no We're we're much much a yakov smirnoff's right. No, I'm kidding. Sorry yakov smirnoff You were a great comedian. Is he still alive by the way? I don't think so I feel like he died hasn't performed in a while. Yeah, or at least that I know So anyway, light hearted look at some of this content, but we're gonna also cover some heavy topics We don't want it to be preachy. We want it to be fun We want to we want to give you access to what it's like to think about problems in the world from a behavior analytic perspective And then not only problems just like fun stuff like gaming like one of our topics I want to cover is gaming my kid's a huge gamer. I used to be a decent gamer. I was never good. Um Brad's an amazing gamer like he kills zombies for almost amazing. You do you do for a living? You know that you get paid for killing zombies Oh, I do Well, if you ever set up your if you ever set up your twitch chat account stream and do a lot of stuff Maybe you will I'd rather do this Killings so this is more reinforcing than killing zombies No, that's because I have a first then strip first youtube then zombies. Oh, I see gotcha. All right, so yes So free mac principle Not tonight we're just gonna hang out for like another 12 minutes or 20 or 22 minutes. Uh, but yeah, not tonight man It's not gonna work. Um, so gaming is a topic we want to cover. Um Brad and I both have a deep passion for the for comedy So we're gonna cover we've been long since talked about doing some comedy stuff In fact, we even have started a journal article About a year ago on addressing that so we'll probably follow through with a journal article Maybe some presentations over the next year, but we also wanted to do Comedy like it just not not us doing a bit for you But looking at comedy from a behavioral perspective and using some examples from robin williams and George carlin and and bobernum for some of the more current stuff and Whoever the fluffy dude is the glaciers guy. He's awesome So many people out there that are amazing comics. I want to look at some of that behaviorally We want to look at a topic that came up. We were in a chat the other day. I'm gonna call these people I was in a chat with uh, uh, dr. Veronica Howard Dr. Maggie Pivone and dr. Rachel Potter, uh, which were all of us and everybody out here is all involved in these open educational resource things Anyway, there was a discussion that popped up and it led us to the concept of evil giants So in giants being these big people in science That historically we're all we've wow their research is so revered, but what if they were just punks? Like what if they just were unethical? pricks Don't get too nasty on youtube here, but How do you deal with that? What do we do that which ties into cancel? We'll just want to talk about some of that from a behavioral perspective That's gonna be fun. That'll be fun. And then we've we've we've we've beat around the concept of gun control and The school shootings we've talked about that before it gets kind of heavy and it gets kind of sad It gets a little political and we want to be political but not too political We're happy to share with you some of our views, but we're not here to try to tell you to vote for Bob or vote for jane or vote for um, whoever elizards lizards I told you we can't talk about the lizard people brad Oh, I feel you had party. Yeah, exactly because they're funding the whole thing And I hope the rats don't get mad Rats don't ever well, you know, they bite but you have to let them bite their teeth just keep growing unless you let them Unless they bite their teeth will just keep growing forever. So you get really lonely. So you gotta let them chew on something Why not let them chew on your fingers? Yeah, that's totally it Pretty much um, and we're that's it. That's that's the that's the end of spirits of ava So literally looking at you know spirits of course play on word and some of the history and I've got a long philosophical influence of the ava stuff and I'd love to think about things from this perspective and brad likes to correct me because I'm usually wrong He's like, no, it's this I'm like, oh you wait So and we like to have fun for those of you that haven't seen any of our more I don't know. What do you call those the specials? I keep looking over here at you, but you're actually here too. Like I gotta move you Yeah, I gotta look at the camera getting getting used to this This multi device thing going on here. This live feed thing. Hey, at least it's working. We have live feed thing. Wait a minute Yeah, we had seven Yeah, that's okay. We're down to three. You don't really care. It's all good because we're gonna play this back everybody Um, let's see. I was gonna talk about Oh the shaping involved in just doing this Like I don't know if the viewers appreciate the shaping that you and I have gone through since the beginning of our channel beginning of our channel What's really funny is anyone that actually witnesses the entire shaping procedure usually ends up with the bcda by the time they watch some videos And we have plenty of comments that indicate that's the funny thing like people will actually tell us that We're like, I am so sorry Like we we thought we would record our learning and present it to the public All errors and cracks cancer is included. Just the whole thing Truman show your study just straight up Go for it. Why not? And that's kind of what we did. I mean, that's kind of the background of How did we get involved in sending this stuff across the interwebs to everybody and There's the the dei piece the diversity equity inclusion access to open to content, right? Yeah, so that's a huge piece for both of us um I came from an open source software world doing some work internationally and we ran into using oer's and the value of it was So so impactful in my in my head and in my world that when brad had that core idea of Doing what we do Was like open perspective. Let's do it and we figured out how to pull it off and it's been great We've been having a lot of fun with it Then what were we talking about? Oh you correcting me in the shape going it shaping. That's what we're talking about Like what of like what are some of the shaping things you've seen for us back up to the actual topic? Yeah, shaping. Oh, what have I seen? Yeah, what do we do with video quality? Oh, yeah If anyone actually finds the first one we're out of focus the lights aren't there um sounds horrific editing sucks Time oh whoever dropped the money. Thank you very much appreciate it Oh, no, it fell out. We lost it it bounced up. No, it's fine. It's all good Those were those were big ones too. Somebody donated some serious money. Whoever that was. Thank you very much Absolutely very much tipped a few saline. Oh, is that salina from california? No way That's like salina the one that she used to call into it. She did some cram sessions with us, I think Or she just she went. Oh, no, wait a minute. It was not cram sessions. She was doing the she was part of the um dissemination for behavior analysis thing, right Salina from chicago, that's right. So she was the she was the dba person Salina from chicago. There is that's how we know everybody because we've moved all over the place I now live in virginia brad still brad moved in spokane. He's Wait a minute. We had this discussion. I did move though. However, he is part of colbert Colbert is not colbert It is colbert No, um, yeah So welcome aboard salina glad you're here. He was doing yeah, no, no Especially if you're from me like me Right next to colbert Yeah, um, so yeah, if we go back to shaping Some of the first videos make me think of uh The equivalent of our first ones make me think of when you're teaching a kid to cut pictures out or shapes out And they're just all over the show and there's like three cuts right through the square and it goes off the line And they present it's like it's this wrong circle thing And I did it. Yay And we had this whole thing with like we were learning learning about green screens So we would do weird stuff behind us like random open source picture Or like open access pictures and stuff behind us like hong kong and then we had a river one day It's like man. We were just seeing if we could do video behind us while we were recording We were so excited And our a lot of our audio was like a court like a 16th of a second off or something It was just we were bad Weird echoes or just completely wrong where your lips are just And in the last opm video No, in the last video we shot was we had four cameras up Four different cameras running we had one two three four four five different sources of audio And we had and only one camera lady very overworked and she worked her bacon off. Let me tell you It was great. And then then the editing was insane. It took a team of us to edit all that stuff up and Get it chopped into pieces and make sure it looks right and then the audio It's been a long stretch And then even just just getting these live feeds to go has been a shaping process because just yesterday we couldn't We were we were trying to figure out Why couldn't we get certain audio feeds to go through this channel using this This software that we've got the streamlabs thing to make this thing happen And we couldn't do it Like I just gave up like it would last couple of these things We just we were getting close and we got to work once and then we didn't All right a time I just gave up so we gave up and then Yesterday I just had this one weird idea and changed a different thing and it worked Now we're here. So and now we're here shaping And people are donating cash to us. So thank you selena. We appreciate that and selena's been around for what we worked We did a thing with them with the dissemination for hip analysis special interest group for a bai We worked with them a couple of times. We would work them in a heartbeat Both brad and I were part of the open educational resource sick At a far a bai As well and we're all kind of help co-found that thing as a team So yeah, we're all involved and as much as we can be giving our lives I think we want to say yes to everything Definitely is an issue which sounds good. That's great. Awesome. I'll do that. We'll do that and with what totally Who needs time when you have tasks, right exactly so Yes, so you get the idea what we're going to be doing here a little bit with spirits of aba It will be a little more focused in the future again. The first one we got coming up is probably going to be comedy I think that's when we're going to land on Just so you can get some more brad and I and a take of how we're going to pull this off If you are a member and you're a member part of the channel membership Then of course you get these things for free and well not for free But just party membership and of course you get the cram sessions as well And then but we will make all these things available for for viewing down the road So after after we get done processing and make sure that everybody that was on board is approved with the video We'll send it up to the channel server, but you can see it and turn it into an open access resource or open educational resource but until then it is going to kind of Be a little bit hidden behind the scenes. So if you want to participate join in with the membership What's Lena say and Uh, you hope there was some grants because you're awesome. Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot about that So that we used to mean that's right. That was I remember those mornings So not in a bad way at all Selena. It was great. Um, I don't want to get too much into the detail But yeah, I've got a bit of a history in grant writing and working on grants And happy to share my information when I can if it's useful to anybody usually not But some people like Like Selena finds it useful. Yay All right, so what are we doing? What else are we doing? What else is your goals with this Brad? I mean I've got my own biases. Well, I think just because we're on the topic of membership to Remind the people that signed up for a formal membership that we're doing cram sessions as well Which is our bcba study prep where we're going to have topics. We're going to dive in week Very focused on terminology and whatnot, but You can't do that all the time because that's boring. So this one's supposed to be more about philosophical perspectives on things Yeah, and then I had another train of thought but the trains did not connect the station and now I'm left in the cold Yeah, um, I think one of our famous cognitive psychologists may say that you are stuck at the choice point of the maze, sir So whenever it was the recently posted that on Instagram I about died because they're talking about choice points And I just kind of went back to Tolman and whole and had a minor meltdown for the moment So but that's okay I recovered because I looked at the second slide and it was completely redeeming And for those of you that know who you are I'm just winking at you because it was quite humorous. I enjoyed it. It was good Not in a bad way. I believe I'm more familiar with the consequence point Which is usually the timeout room into the corner much like a point, but with my Anyway Interesting aspect there, sir Yeah, well, you know Got to talk about what you're familiar with. Oh, wow. Yeah, I'm familiar with this room Um Record a ton of videos in here teach from here. What's up? I was gonna say you've only been in there been there for three months Six months. We moved here in july so brad and I literally We we borderline divorced ourselves and moved across I moved across the country and brad stayed in spokane area My wife and family and I picked up and made had it off to virginia Um where I got an opportunity to be a full-time professor at haring Baldwin university in the aba program So, uh, so I got lucky got a cool job offer and they were super supportive of site core And ironically the time difference makes it easier for brad and had he get work done So we've been extremely productive once I moved away, which is a weird form of escape ring for base You know, I think I could accomplish a lot more if you would just get away from me Oh, yeah, and I did So, so is this a thing of like the more times this is a magnitude thing the farther I go the more we get done To a point I think it depends on the signal and how long You start getting into that three or four days to get a signal. It's gonna get pretty rough So by the time I get to the moon it's gonna slow stuff down is what you're telling me Yeah, yes, okay little far engagement is lacking Um The inter-response time is getting a bit much The interstellar intervals are way big and it just gets weird you get all this adjunctive behavior and You just can't function and now my reinforcers are all over the place and yeah, and what's the point? And you're a superstitious pigeon before you know it Which you know, we need we need some backgrounds on his feet. This is just his black background I think we need like a superstitious pigeon and things like that. I got some I don't know you're in charge of said Whatever you I just do what you tell me to put on the screen. I'm just I'm trying to technology I didn't know we could change the background Do we do whatever we want? I like multiple feeds. I could get pictures of people We could put pictures or whatever back there. We just got since we're gonna release this This is no we are we got to make sure that whatever we do is Open access, you know, it's open. Oh, no. Yeah, that's that's nobody we're gonna do that. Hello green soul green soul Like that's that's all right. That's Green soul I get that I get like heavy marijuana vibes with some cool music That's that's like what I get like in a dark the dark room Like kind of like brad's room like right now. Look at that the lighting perfect Add a bunch of pot to that and some good tunes and that's that's green soul Okay, I don't know If we're talking about stimulus right there's a stimulus and look at the response that came about in generalization and And it came out the mouth and now it's out in the wide world and And because we're talking about opera behavior There's a limit to this right? There's an edge that's gonna stop somebody's gonna put an edge to that generalization gradient and sir that would be you right now because Everyone else I can't hear Not really don't yeah, that's fine. You don't have to like it's all good Yeah This is right. He just likes the shape of the leaf He likes to talk about it, but he doesn't really care. Yeah back in the day It was a thing for yeah, it's just not functional in my world anymore For various reasons right and just to just kill the value. I lost the value on it It's like it almost like a bit sweet to it. So anyway, there you go Good times But the Yeah, I'm trying to go over what we're talking about. Oh the ABA Yeah, just a general chit chat. Again, we're gonna be a little more focused in the future This is just kind of introducing you to what we're gonna do. So gaming's coming up. We got shoulders They're not shoulders of giants. We got evil giants Um, and then we've got the humor stuff coming up. Um, there's all sorts of different things I would really love to go back over and look at the um, the fun theory um, I don't know if anybody's had a chance to review the fun theory, but um Fun theory is fun theory. It was a thing. I believe it was done by Volkswagen. It's on youtube. It's old now Like it's really old. Um, but basically they ironically they took the idea of reinforcing people for various tasks in other instead of punishing them and they created opportunities for people to earn reinforcers for doing things like taking the stairs instead of the escalator Or recycling this instead of that or one the one the contest was a speed following the speed limit trap So every time you were caught on camera following the speed limit You went into a lottery and then every month that's lottery would right and it would pay out So you never knew if you were going to be the one that got caught. I had this variable schedule with it It was brilliant and it was just like completely fit. Um, some of the other stuff casinos, you know fun The casinos are an obvious one. Um, we obviously want to talk about relationship issues We want to get into some where do you think about the ABA in the context of your relationship? How about with children? How about with your animals? Like do you do ABA with a cat? Like if you do, that's all good Like you might be a little weird, but I do it It it totally works totally works Recently trained my cats to uh Go to the garage under the stimulus. Hey you guys from the doonie And they go off run into the garage to go get fed that's brilliant All using ABA just free trial for the win Did you just dtt our job? I think that's awesome. Yes. Yes, I did Wow and click why not? Yeah, like that's that's the other thing we need to get the clickers for each other So we can reinforce each other while we're doing this time Oh Uh, yeah, selena tickle you can like you can find out it's it's old, but it's it's worth reading Um, we're so what were some of the other things that were popping up the other day when we were talking about this stuff There there was one, uh, I'd like to connect on that beforehand and see where that connects with I know a gentleman using the power of fun Which is essentially kind of creating the environment Enriching the environment with reinforcers is how I would break it down behavior analytically, but uh, actually got to study with that guy for Fitnessor david raymond. Oh, wow. Um, it would be interesting to see if that's just a generalization of that theory Um, yeah, I mean that that could be a fun fun theory is not really a theory. It was just an advertising campaign as in all capital letters and Yeah, it was somebody not it was it was an average it was a Volkswagen doing something cute Um, yeah, which Volkswagen is known to do overseas. They don't do so much here other than cheat on their tests Oh Oh, okay, that's like shut it down because that's Wow, that was perfect. Oh, perfect Yeah, uh, all the other things we could think of I'd try to talk about all the Geopolitics mental health that yeah mental. Yeah politics would be good So we'll talk about act a little bit. Uh, geopolitics was fun Looking at looking at the different cultural levels of selection because when you start to think about Some of the politics that we all experience we can have a discussion about division within the organ within Division within political viewpoints and different sides, right without saying the one side's right or one side's wrong You can push this whole like who wins when everybody's fighting like everybody's Everybody's behaviors are reinforced in some way shape or form, right? So What does that look like from a politician's perspective? What are their behaviors that are getting reinforced? How about the news media? How about The news conglomerates of people that own the news these big people to do that. What what is what what's the motivations in their world? How about Jeff Bezos? What what might be his media motivations? We can look at all that stuff. So and we've got a long list of things. We don't want to give it all away We're just trying to give you some hints at what we're going to talk about It's really about and most go ahead. Sorry most importantly Well, we'd like to solicit and see what y'all are thinking now that we got the wheels turning Give us a topic to dive into and kind of take a moment to digest and figure out Sure And our job then is to get a little bit of background information read about the topic Understand a little bit more about it than what would then if we do front of the back When you're bringing up and then apply kind of a behavioral lens to that and look at just have a conversation on that if Members might be invited to come in and be part of the the video feed Like you know the next one of the ones we're doing will have multiple people with us on the video feed So we can just have kind of a round table discussion about these things and bounce ideas back and forth. So So lots of options lots of entertainment That's the idea anyway, and then hopefully it becomes useful for somebody Maybe I don't know We tend not to have much utility Sunday Someday we will have an impact on something somewhere that we can see We uh, we do get comments that hey, thank you very much, but we just it's hard to know what impacts that you have about that What are our metrics? What are we really? Education tools into a void And then people come back with hey, I did it. We're like good for you. What's happening? Yay, we don't know who you are how many times you watched us Uh, yeah, that's fun though. Yeah It's pretty it's pretty awesome. It's been a good show We definitely don't want to hang it up. We've been doing this about five years and we have no desire to hang it up Brad was editing videos this morning. I've got I've lost about 30 videos and promptly found them today after a mild heart attack Because those would be uncomfortable Uh, and so those are back and so I'm editing those videos. So we've got we got a lot of videos coming up We got rbt can we're gonna launch our rbt program Um coming up really soon. We're finishing up some stuff for that So that's gonna look really cool Our rbt is going to be unlike anybody else's because we're going to be literally using shaping Um and a psi modified psi model to teach the content. So it's it's going to be and fading We've got it all layered up. We did a whole treatment plan for how do you develop the course? So yeah Tested set and ready to rock and or roll. Yes Other goals Miami too Yes All right. Well, I that's our 30 minutes I got to hang up tonight because it's an early night, but we will we will announce on our channel when the next one is The next one will be open to everybody for sure. Um, and then uh, we're going to start locking it down after that So uh membership starts at 10 bucks a month. In fact, we only have it at 10 bucks a month YouTube gets a whole 30 percent. So it's really like paying us 7 bucks. So, um, we're we're I think we're worth the $7 And we will in turn release these videos in an open Sense after we get a chance to add them and after our internal members get a chance to do everything Um, we provide any additional commentary that we need we'll delay the release and then release them for everybody else So that said watch the channel for updates either from facebook instagram or youtube and like subscribe donate and now join Yeah, do you anything else to add in there boss? Thanks for having us. Well No, catch you later y'all sounds good. Cheers people