 Slash South-East Asian or Mexican or whatever those are two different things Is it Tom they may not be in 20 years If I know geography, maybe I don't you don't Yes the Internet of timers says Shane that's great Speaking of timers, so we have to figure out this whole twitch thing. I don't have any announcements or solutions, but Everybody's streaming on twitch now talk shows and guess what this is a talk show So I know we're gonna start streaming on twitch. Yeah, why not? I mean it's there, right? No reason not to you should ask Jen cutter Super on which all right do that Basically, I have to figure out how to because here's the thing that keeps me using hangouts is the automatic switching nothing else Does the automatic switching? Oh, right, right. I don't want to stop streaming the way I currently stream But if I can figure out another way to put that video out to twitch No reason not to As long as it doesn't impact anything on this side And then I'm talking to dark redeemer about stuff to make it easier on diamond club TV to use the video So maybe there's a solution that helps me do both right like I streamed to one and then push out to the others or something Well twitch is supposed to be about video games still it's not and Thing isn't no the talk shows is supposed to be video games about talk shows talk shows about video games I don't think so. Are you sure? 98% sure. Oh, there's always the 2% I Yeah, that's true. That's why I didn't say a hundred. I Mean, I know it's talk show but dr. Deemer says the diamond club is already streamed to twitch So maybe I'm do maybe I'm saying a thing that I don't need to want bother about Okay, oh well not knots says that they changed and it's about anything for the talk shows now All right, that was just a few days ago. Oh Well, they launched a new talk shows section I'm not I'm not Yeah, we talked about it on Thursday, I think it was oh you did okay, yeah, I Saw the vlog they have a vlog thing, but that's different. Yeah, no, that's what I'm talking about. Oh, but it's logs It's not talk shows They call it which talk and it's for talk shows that don't have to do with games and everyone who's writing about it Says it's for vloggers because they couldn't think of a word for us because they don't want to say podcasters All right, well fine then You win this one merit and not not and twitch But back There's a giant party happening at the floor right under us so I hope So first I hope you don't hear it. I haven't heard it yet. That's good sign Second of all, I might be roped into it mid-show. So don't you know be surprised if I disappeared and I'd go out All right fair warning Warning has been given and Tom. I will let you know that the European Commission. Oh, sorry. Yeah Control when you get it. Oh crap. Sorry. Wow. It's already time. Yeah, I'm trying to get us started here Sorry, all right. Yeah control and I've got control and we're gonna start here. We go Daily tech news show is powered by you the audience to find out how to support the show at daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday December 20th 2016 I'm Tom Merritt Patrick Beja alongside my co-pilot on Tuesdays as we fly you through the Intricacies of the world of technology. Wow, that was beautifully put Tom. I'm proud to be part of that flight Session, are we ready for takeoff Patrick? Old Sensors Well work on this metaphor I like the play-by-play metaphor I was doing during baseball season But it doesn't seem appropriate in December so I had to come up with something else We have a lot of pilots in the audience. I'm sure they can help us decide what also probably say as bad as I was to that Copilot metaphor I might have been worse on the baseball thing. So it's a good thing. We didn't do that Oh, no, you got your crash course in baseball when you came out for this time. So we're all good Instagram has added snapchat like stickers that display location time weather emojis along with the ability to save stories from the last 24 hours and their continuing pursuit to become snapchat Actually, they're gonna they're gonna change their logo to a ghost and move to Venice Beach and all kinds of stuff Twitter has changed search results to display by order of relevance rather than chronology So that's the same as your timeline now and Facebook launched a live audio In partnership with select publishers like the BBC and Harper Collins for now But they say they'll eventually bring it to everyone. So now not just Facebook live video Facebook live audio now here ours Yeah, you said Twitter it was By relevance not chronology and it's the same as as your timeline now the timeline is not by relevance It's still by chronology except for the you might have missed blah blah blah. No, that's what I'm talking about They didn't timeline is no longer strictly chronology. They have a relevance at the top Oh, but the same thing is powering your search results now the small section of your thought you had me, didn't you? All right, let's get to the rest of the top stories Bloomberg sources, this is a Mark Gurman effort by the way Bloomberg sources report that the Mac Gets less attention than it once did inside of Apple Bloomberg sources also say a new battery for the MacBook Pro failed a key test Meaning an older design needed to be used that pulled people away from other Mac projects And that's why the battery life in the MacBook Pro isn't as good as people had expected The sources also indicate that in 2017 Apple will add USB C ports and an AMD graphics card a new one to the iMac And deliver minor bumps in processing power for the 12 inch MacBook and MacBook Pro So before we get to Tim Cook's response to this this is Kind of carrying out the idea that hey, you know what the Mac makes up 10% of the sales But it doesn't need as much attention as it used to at least that's what Apple thinks Yeah, I mean we probably need to get to Tom to Tom to Tim Cook's response If we want to because we might repeat the same things one thing I'm you know that I find interesting is that even when we're talking about Bloomberg We feel the need to mention that it's a Gurman's piece. He's become such a prominent Most what he's done is pretty incredible as a blogger, you know very few have reached that level So I just wanted to mention it. No, it's fair I didn't write his name down because Bloomberg sources is what I always write But because it was Gurman and I knew that I felt like I should let people know that's Gurman like because he's so Good at this and and that will that will change their opinion of the you know veracity of these sources because he's got such a good record Even, you know, if it's Bloomberg, you're like, yeah, they're probably you're like, oh, well, then it's definitely, you know There's some meat behind it for sure Yeah, so so tell it like you said let's let's find out Tim Cook's response Possibly to this story but certainly to the topic, right So in response CEO team Tim Cook posted an Apple to an Apple employee message board quote We have great desktops in our roadmap. Nobody should worry about that He went on to write that desktop computers are quote really important and in some cases Critical to people in the same post cook told also talked about how Apple doesn't do things quote because there were return on investment We don't do it because we know exactly how we're going to use it. We do it because it's clear It's interesting and it might need somewhere So alright, so the first part what he's saying is basically yeah, we have Desktops are really important. Don't worry guys. And the thing is there is no way he can say anything else however, it's one of those cases where Actions speak a lot louder than word and when you see what's happened with the Mac Pro and also the you know other desktops. It's kind of difficult to take him seriously anymore He said that right before they introduced the Mac Pro which was you know a good retort at the time But hasn't been updated in like three years. It's not even about getting a new design It's just about updating the specs You can't pretend that you care about this and not updated for three and a half years or however long it's been So it his words carry very little weight to me at this point I think that business insider brought up something interesting too. They were parsing through this post And noting that in German's article on Bloomberg He reports that the Mac OS and iOS teams are one team now And if you work on both operating systems your iOS first And and we've all kind of known that Apple definitely seems to want to make Mac OS more like iOS over time But business insider points out that he doesn't say Mac in his response to this employee question He only refers to the Mac OS once In reference to a particular release He seems to be avoiding the word Mac or maybe he just left it out Subconsciously but either way it seems odd to answer a question about desktops without saying something about Macs are great You know, we we've got some great Macs in the roadmap I don't want to over interpret this to mean that they're gonna stop making Macs But he doesn't seem to be thinking about desktops as Macs at this point I think that isn't that is an interesting tea leaf that business insider was reading I think that's a little bit too much reading into it Honestly, I mean it's not the only other explanation unless they have something weird in the works is that the you know iOS might somehow become a desktop product and I really don't see that happening anytime soon personally I guess the part that makes sense to me is he's he's referred to the iPad Pro as the competitor to the Microsoft surface No, but that would mean like he's saying desktops But what he really means is the iPad Pro, right? So he's get I don't think I think he's not being that disingenuous if he's talking about desktops on an apple You know answering an apple employee that's asked that's asking about desktops He's not gonna be like hey, you know like six months ago when I said we had great desktops in the works Here you go iPad Pro 2, you know that that seems like a slap No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just thinking they may not be Imagining the future of laptops and desktops the way we are as Macs and iPads They may be thinking of some kind of merged future somehow Well, okay, I don't think that's the case What I think is gonna happen is that they're gonna have updates to the desktops and even laptop Macs, but Even though, you know, it's it's ironic because their business has never been bigger for desktop computers and laptop computers But basically Mac OS as the company has grown immensely with the mobile division the the personal computing Business has also grown but not as fast of course and yet it seems like it's less of their focus and it's normal in a way I do however, however, I think that we're gonna see an update to all of their line in 2017 including the Mac Pro but if it's just updated now and doesn't get updated again on a regular basis Then it's still underwhelming and I think unfortunately That's what we're gonna see happening as the core of their business. That's not even you know talk about focus It doesn't really matter the core of their business to the tune of like 80% is iOS and mainly the iPhone so it's normal It's still a little bit sad, but you know what that's the way things go Yeah, and I think that that later part of his answer where he talks about we don't do things because there's a return on investment is Both heartening and frightening if you're an Apple fan because that is what you want them to do You want them to just make great things, but we haven't seen them make something like that in a while And AirPods which we're gonna talk about lately might be the most recent example But they really haven't put out a lot of things that that really changed the game now That may change next year, right that that may change soon But for the moment it seems like they're pursuing things that interest them Without paying enough attention to the things that got them here and in the pursuit of well iOS sounds like the future for us. So let's let's move the max towards that They're letting some balls drop Including battery according to German my my back light is broken and they couldn't even fix it They're just gonna swap it out So the you know, there's all there's all kinds of little stories that give you the inkling that the quality Focus may not be as high as it used to be. I honestly, I don't think so I think the backlight thing you got a faulty model model that happens The what they're saying about the batteries is that they had a new type of batteries They did the tests they should have done and they found out it still needed a little bit of work So they decided to use older battery technology to to get the new models out. They're still pretty good They've always not done Everyone expects the iPhone or the iPad every year now and I think it's not it's never gonna happen, you know But or you know, it's gonna happen once every ten years But the the the point he's making about we don't do things because they're a good return on investment We do them because they're interesting. I don't know how much I believe that I'm sure they're pursuing lots of interesting things, but It's really not that hard to put out a new model of the Mac Pro every year and a half with upgraded specs And that's really all people are talking about here. I max and Mac pros with updated specs And we're not seeing those, you know, we're not just talking about the Mac We're talking about the point like the easy things the focus is not there Yeah, but well and maybe that's a business thing because as we know the laptops come constitute a major part of the Computing business now, you know the the actual real computers And maybe they don't need to worry about the desktops all that much and the few people who still care about those are left hanging That's why they're mad because that seems to be the attitude All right Let's move on to uber and uber spokesperson told the Guardian that uber is working on fixing a flaw in its autonomous driving software That can cause unsafe turns into bicycle lanes San Francisco Bicycle Coalition executive director Brian Wiedenmeier was taking a preview ride in the ubers a couple of days before they started testing them on the streets in San Francisco and twice Watched as the autonomous car turned right cutting through a bike lane Instead of merging over into a bike lane and the reason you want to do the merge is if there's a bike there that isn't seen by the sensors It's easier for the bike to avoid hitting whereas a harder right turn could hit has a bigger chance of hitting a bike Wiedenmeier said he warned uber of the issue after that preview ride But uber didn't fix it in time and started the tests anyways, and he's fairly critical about them As he should be I think you know there are two factors here first of all I told you so I mean they told them so and second of all they didn't get the damn permit and I understand They don't need the permit. I know we've talked about that previously, right? They don't think they need it. Yeah, right They don't and I understand the logic with the Tesla thing and whatever the problem is if you don't have a permit And you get into an accident It's twice ten times as bad, and I don't understand why uber Who has had so many issues with public? Perception is not paying more attention to things like these two You know the the guys who like bikes especially in hipster town San Francisco They tell them guys maybe be careful about this part, and they're like they do it anyway, and why I mean thank God for them for uber that they didn't get into an accident because that would have made it again ten times worse Well to be fair getting a permit doesn't change this at all Like if they had a permit and they hit a bicyclist it would be just as bad. No, it wouldn't No, because at least they got the permit if you don't even have how is it change anything Because you're doing it illegally and the town will know what ubers arguing is that this is like someone driving a car If someone driving a car takes a hard right turn and hits a bicycle That's what that's what this situation is if they get the permit it actually Shields them I guess a little bit from liability saying this is testing But it's actually worse because now an autonomous car under permit hit someone Versus them having to say oh, you know what it was the driver's fault the driver's responsible not not the rig What I'm saying is for anyone else you would be right But for uber who has had a history of issues and public perception is different for them I think it's it's just so simple to fix these little things Totally agree with you there like I still don't understand why they don't pay the hundred fifty dollars to get the permit It's not gonna make them more liable It really does seem like they're just mad at California because California's given them a hard time and that's where they're based Petty it's so petty. That's what irks me. I mean even if you're convinced you're right You know, you have a public perception issue and you're trying to fix it Why not just do what you need to fix it? You're running a business not trying to show you're the biggest kid in school Anyway, it's kind of it's kind of silly in my opinion Yeah, but at least they are working on fixing it Hope they'll think hot if they weren't like, no, we know we have a problem here and we're not gonna fix it, right? Okay The European committee the European Commission has sent a statement of objections to Facebook over its acquisition of WhatsApp in 2014 the EC says Facebook said during the acquisition that it would be unable to match User accounts between its social network and what's up? However, the WhatsApp privacy policy has changed in August to allow sharing of WhatsApp user phone numbers with Facebook Facebook has until January 31st to respond. I'm guessing you're drafting Facebook's response here. I am right now dear European Commission, I would like you to know so It we and we should point out that Facebook has suspended that privacy policy change in Europe because of this investigation Is it only in Germany or the entire two Europe? I can't that's a good question. I don't recall exactly but they are holding off on on changing it in some part because They did say they can't match user guys This almost starts to feel like the Uber thing like well But it isn't an autonomous car and they're saying but we didn't match user accounts We matched phone numbers. That's different and the European Commission is saying how is that different? You're taking a phone number from one user account and matching it to a phone number from another user account Which then matches the user accounts, you know, I I'm often ambivalent about the way the European Commission goes after big American companies, especially American I think in this case, they should really take it seriously privacy has become a very Important issue for many and in there. It's the kind of Red-handed mistake or not even I'm sure they were genuine initially when they said we can't really, you know merge the two But this is not something that the Europeans are gonna let go and it's something that they're You know, they have a right to be concerned about and I think Facebook and others should start taking this privacy issue Privacy issue issue Seriously, because I don't think it's gonna get better. Yeah, and I think people do exaggerate what Facebook wants to do here Facebook doesn't want to take your WhatsApp account and merge it with your Facebook account All it wants to do is say hey if we know that you are this user and you're also on Facebook we want to be able to use it for anti-spam and For contact matching so that if you want to add a contact It's easier for us to go. Oh, yeah, you do know that person. We can verify you know that because we see these phone numbers match Sure, that isn't terribly Malicious in my opinion. However, it does mean that you're sharing information and and there's the question of okay That's what you're using it for now You could once you've logged this use it for other things in the future if you change your privacy policy again Which Facebook can rightly say but we won't and if we do you can hold us our feet to the fire Then we're not doing that now, but I think regarding the European Commission This definitely contains a link between the accounts I think Facebook's taking a very like oh, but it doesn't merge the accounts And that's what we meant and the European Commission is saying well what we meant was there would be no Touching of the data whatsoever and the thing is there's a little bit of a you know camel and backs and straws Happening here. It's at some point. There's only so much Fudging what you mean and what other people mean and maybe it wasn't even Facebook It's like all of the big and to me personally, I don't see a problem I even think it's gonna make a more usable product But at some point it doesn't really matter that it makes a more usable product There has to be clear lines, especially with people who are annoyed with you and your Practices in other areas of the law in Europe It needs to be a little bit more clean I think if they want to continue doing business unhindered Security firm white ops reported Tuesday that a botnet called meth bot you I didn't mispronounce that it's METH Meth bot has been used to gain three to five million dollars in ad revenue per day in Estimate since October the exploit spoofs premium publisher domains and then runs real ads on fake pages So that it can collect the revenue meth bot operates from 800 to 1200 dedicated servers and data servers around the world They use least IP addresses to mask the fake ad calls So they appear to come from residential ISPs to get around fraud protection They generate 200 to 300 million video ad impressions per day Faking clicks mouse movements and even social network logins so that they appear to be engaged consumers The trustworthy accountability group which is an industry consortium that monitors this sort of thing is sharing a blacklist of those IP Addresses with major ad companies to try to fight this But another I mean this is obviously you know the ongoing war you do one thing on the other side does another but what a complex Approach, but if it gets you three to five million dollars a day, I guess it's worth it. It is really fascinating I mean, it's a it's a bot network that sort of engineers. It's entirely new and own Ecosystem to just get clicks on ads that are genuine, you know, it's basically just an entire front to get a revenue stream from ads and My mind went to a slightly weird place for this It went to imagine if there was some kind of, you know in in 10 20 30 years Some kind of sentient AI, how would they finance their taking over of The human society that I'm sure they would end up doing things like these because stealing money directly from bank accounts Would be way too visible. This is Magical it generates income from fake pages, but real ads and it's it's genius It takes advantage of the automatic nature of advertising to say, hey, all we have to do is display the ad And have an account Links to it and then we can get the money and as long as we get that money out before they realize which account is us Boom, we got three five million dollars. That's yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. No, this will be how Skynet is financed And finally I On the new Apple AirPods and found small glued in lithium batteries that make recycling difficult Earbuds are normally shredded for recycling But the batteries pose a risk of fire in that process Removing the batteries would be costly. Apple does accept returns of the earphones for recycling Yeah, basically these things are not repairable According to I fix it and they say yeah It would be difficult to recycle because you don't want to shred up the batteries because they blow up and cause a fire And that's a problem But going in there and having to unglue them and remove them before recycling would be really labor-intensive Maybe somebody's willing to do that But that's a pretty costly way to recycle. So they're they're not Terribly easy to recycle Well, they're there. I think there's zero and ten on repair ability Which is almost, you know Apple products and often smartphones have a very low score, but zero I don't think I've ever seen before but but I mean the answer is simple bring them back to your Apple store and I really think Apple is going to be Recycling them properly and this they should make it very clear that you should Return them to the Apple store because if they like to know I'm fine I do not have mistrust of Apple on this issue, but I would like to know how they intend to recycle these Because they this is incredibly different. I would like to see some transparency particularly into AirPods like okay How are you going to do this? Are you just spending the money to recycle them? You guys piles of cash Maybe that's what you're doing, but I'd like to know that. Yeah I think it would be it would really be a great PR move for Apple to say hey guys We know they're kind of hard to be not even don't say they're hard to recycle Just say we are committed to the health of our planet and we recycle every Apple product Use we sell if you bring them back to us look for example at these AirPods Well, take those two look at this factory full of children. I mean full of legally aged employees Using Dremels to open up the AirPods and take out. Oh, maybe you know what maybe that's what they're going to be doing To bring back jobs in America I'm only half joking. Yeah, no That could be Products are ready in the in the country so you can do that well except for when you return yours. They won't be Well, I mean the country they could do it They were so then it becomes costly because you have to have recycling centers in every country where you have AirPods I don't know Thanks to all those who participate in our subreddit you could submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com All right Airpods are on well, they aren't right now, but they were on Patrick Beige's ears moments ago. He has them in hand He's been using them and you know, I think we're all interested in how they're working for you But beyond that you asked when we were talking about today's show It makes you wonder can a wireless world work now what needs to happen for us to hit that Wireless deal where we don't have cords littering the ground like they are in front of me right now So first of all what I need to say is that the feeling of opening and closing that dental floss case of AirPods is Immensely satisfying the little magnet thing fantastic but you know what I was I was a little bit surprised there the the lack of cable is a lot more Enjoyable than I thought it would be for some reason The pairing is really easy and everything pretty much works. So it made me think we are possibly close to a future of wireless I'm not sure what needs to happen more, but we're not we're possibly close But I don't think we're quite there yet. It's still a little bit unwieldy. I think we're past the stage where It is completely annoying To have to fiddle with the connection and the disconnection and making sure you choose the right thing and I think we're past that I don't think we're quite at the point where it's so easy that we don't need to bother with wires at all There were you know, that's that's kind of specific to us but there were Interferences when we were trying the AirPods with the mics things like that, but um Overall in the in the the way Apple envisions their Wireless ecosystem, I think in a in one or maybe two generations We might be there. There are a few Standards that still need to be implemented. I think for it to really work and maybe you want to talk about those Yeah, I because I think there's two main things in looking over this topic that that are the Not obstacles, but the challenges to a wireless future one of which is battery life And we still don't have good battery life And I think when we were talking about the MacBook Pro not getting the better battery It's getting more and more difficult to get more battery life out of existing technology Those batteries are you know glued in to the AirPods So we need a big breakthrough in battery before this becomes Able to just get past the idea of charging, right? I mean the case is great and that helps a lot and there's lots of nifty techniques to get around the problem But what will be better is when you only have to charge these things once a week and they recharge from kinetic power or something like that, right? And and so I I think there's a lot being done on the protocol side to save battery life specifically in Bluetooth Bluetooth 4 was all about Improving power efficiency Bluetooth 5 which was adopted December 8th is emphasizing range and speed They can't do power efficiency every time if they want to do the other thing so it's slow going there the other thing is that connectivity that range and speed that they're they're fixing in Bluetooth 5 and The the adoption of protocols Bluetooth is definitely the protocol of choice for short range Connection, but there's also Wi-Fi for longer range connection and even among Wi-Fi There's 802 11 ad which is for high-speed wireless data transfer like your mobile devices your computers Even some peripherals and networking and then there's Wi-Fi. Hey, low h al o w which is 802 dot 11 a h That is for Internet of Things devices Wireless sensor networks low power stuff that needs a longer range than Bluetooth gives right now By 2021 a bi research thinks that 47 point percent of all devices will have Wi-Fi in them and 55 percent of those will be smart phones So Bluetooth is gonna have Is gonna have better adoption Than Wi-Fi in some senses, but Wi-Fi is going to be the wider adopted one Wi-Fi will be in more types of devices So there's why a gig and Wi-Fi halo. There's Bluetooth 4 Bluetooth 5 then there's 802 dot 15 dot 4 That's ZigBee thread you hear those that's for energy management smart city applications building automation Smart lighting and industrial applications a bi thinks that less than 9% of the market will have those by 2021 and don't forget NFC putting that into to mobile phones and wearables is is pretty much the domain of payments But it's also pretty much the only way that wireless payments are being made these days as well So you've got multiple protocols competing to do different aspects of these things those have Transmission reliability issues we still have better connections on wired connections than we do on Wi-Fi for the moment Although Wi-Fi is getting better and better so we need to solve that and we need to solve the power issue So once once we figure that out Patrick though will be golden will be in our wireless age So I don't I don't think the power issue is as huge an issue as you you think it is The this you don't think it's as huge as I think it is I Don't think it's it's as huge as you say it is Okay, why don't why don't you think the power issue is as bad because the solution that Apple has implemented with the AirPods seems to solve most of it You have this little compact thing that you take that's essentially a battery And and you can use it to recharge your things which last for five hours more or less It's rare that you're gonna have more than five hours straight listening sessions So I think it souls as often these things do most cases Wireless charging is coming and that also helps with the batteries, you know, it's easier to put something down on a wireless charging Thing then it is to all plug it in all the time Still it's a problem, but I think it's gonna it's gonna get good enough that we're gonna be able to use them the Protocols I think have been getting better and better and we need all of them for different things There's been a discussion An active discussion in the chat room between by a cow beatmaster a couple of others saying, you know I've been using Bluetooth headphones for eight years and you know, it's always worked and I understand that it's always worked You know, it's worked for ten years for some people. I used to have Jabra headphones I think to the headsets, which were cool But I used to have those connection issues all the time and the sound wasn't quite there. It was Prone to Interferences and things like that Now it's a lot easier. I'm not only using the the Apple thing. I'm using some wireless, you know, we see them everywhere wireless Speakers that are very common now. I think I when I think about wireless I also think about what we started at with our smartphones, you know less than ten years ago, maybe even Six or seven years ago. We used to plug them in all the time to transfer data Now everything goes through Wi-Fi. It's very rare for us to to plug them in It's sort of a slow transition that we didn't really see coming but it's kind of Almost useless in most cases to we don't need to plug them in for data anymore So all of these small things are working together in parallel to make the different wireless uses Viable and we're getting to the point now where I think it's the And again, I understand that people are going to be angry with me because they've been using more or less stuff forever But I think we're in the pre period where it's actually viable for a wide consumer public Yeah, there's a few things that it hasn't got to and that and I'll start with the connectivity USB cables are still necessary. You can't do all of your connectivity Wirelessly, but we're closer than ever. I will grant you that absolutely It is in fact possible To live without wires if you really want to you're gonna deal with some Occasional dropouts and a few more frustrations than a wire But but it's possible in a way that it wasn't five ten years ago I'll grant you that battery wise though and power wise I was thinking wider than just the AirPods, but even even with the AirPods you have to think Oh, I need to put them back in the case The test I'm holding it to a higher standard of I will when I'm when I can take my epic Bluetooth Headsets that I have now which have a wire on them Which I'd like them to not and I can just shove them in a pocket and I don't have to think about oh, right I got to put them in the case. Oh wait, I have to charge that case That's when I think these have reached the level power wise that I don't that are equivalent with wired Because I never have to think about charging my wired headphones And I think that's even a bigger deal for things like laptops phones, etc And when you say wireless charging is coming absolutely if wireless charging Really starts to make advances and takes off. That's one of the ways that we'll be able to get there So I think this you're you're getting your finger on a really important issue Which I'm not sure is actually ever going to be solved The recharging of these devices I think is always gonna have to happen somehow, you know If we get to a week, maybe it's gonna be okay. I don't see that happening in the next, you know, 10 to 15 years And maybe there's gonna be quantum leap in battery technology that's gonna enable this But it doesn't look like you know, it hasn't happened in the last 30. So I don't see how it could work so Ken the wireless future actually happen if We still have to recharge our devices every couple of days or three days or so I mean, yeah, I think it can but it won't fully replace the benefits of wired in all situations Because we're going especially for power beyond headphones, right? It's one thing for people to say, okay Fine, I'll put up with the frustration of having to remember to charge my headphones Because it's so much nicer not to have to plug them in and Bluetooth is Bluetooth six got us to the point Where we just pull them out and the phone knows they're there and it's it's easier than plugging them in So it's a good trade-off like I'll grant you that we're headed down that road But yeah, I we're gonna have to have one of these hundreds of advances in battery technology that are in the labs right now catch on and give us a big Exponential leap in power output and then something like kinetic charging Or or wireless air charging could make it so that yeah, we don't have to think about charging it But you're right. That's that's not happening next year or the year after. Yeah air charging. I like it You know, it's just it recharges with the energy of the air that works But you know what? There's one other thing which I think would complete the wireless future picture that we're trying to paint. It's wireless display Technology like if I can just if I don't need the damn Cable HDMI or whatever it is between my computer or my console or my Half the forest of cables we have behind our TVs and monitors, right? So and and there have been some Sort of some work in the why die I think it was cold at the time the wireless display Technology, but it doesn't seem to have gone anywhere. I'm not sure why exactly but it Video is much harder, right because it's you can't drop a few packets and be okay And I think that's part of the problem with it is it's just can't do the fidelity with the data It needs and then of course we're seeing the beginnings of the move to 4k, which makes the problem even more difficult So that's that's a matter of time before the bandwidth capability of wireless technology and the latency rate is reduced enough That we can we can reliably transmit video But yeah, that's that's that's one of the harder ones to to fix Yeah, I guess casting, you know like Google class and and all these technologies do it over Wi-Fi But the one thing that is still an issue. It's good for a TV show or movie, you know something that doesn't require Fast latency, but on a computer if you move your mouse and they're half a second between the time you move it And when the cursor moves on the screen, then obviously it's gonna get annoying pretty Yeah, and if we if we had really good wireless video transmission, you wouldn't need a Chromecast You know you need a Chromecast so that you can send the signal to the Chromecast which is plugged into the HDMI port, right? It'd be nicer if you didn't have any ports at all. Yeah So I think that part of our future is still a little bit a farther way off So, you know what let's start with good wireless Headphones which are getting pretty good now I think the technology is almost here and let's see where we go from there Yeah. All right. Let's get to our messages the day Fred writes in and says as a long-time naysayer about consumer 3d printing I just came across this quote that may be applicable for your show Fred Fred is Feeling some some shout-and-freud today because he has been hating on 3d printing for a long time And now he's got a quote of someone who says One trend worth considering is the de-emphasis of the consumer and hobbyist market for desktop 3d printers It is now evident that that portion of the industry was overhyped early on and is now in a period of decline So said Rob Connelly vice president of additive manufacturing at proto labs in an interview on designworldonline.com I don't know why Fred feels happy about that though because What we wanted Was 3d printing for the masses where everybody could be able to to get together and do this and Fred being right that That's not catching on yet. It seems like a negative to me like you know I'm sorry you're right because it would be better if we had lots of people able to take advantage of 3d printing That was reliable and cheap and good in their houses And in fact Patrick Dunn vice president of advanced application development 3d systems Which manufactures and sells 3d printers said the most intriguing trend is that as a consequence of the maker movement We're really starting to see a generation of designers coming into the industry who are familiar with the process and promise of 3d printing They assume 3d printing technology has always existed and see it as a primary tool to solve problems rather than a specialty tool Well, both of those things can be true at the same time, right and Fred can be right Then yeah, right. I don't want to get away from him I understand the elation in in the realization that you know, you're like I was telling you so for years and I get it and quite frankly. Good job. You were right Fred It sends me a little bit that he was but I have to admit I'm starting to get on that side of the argument as well Maybe you know never say never it might happen at some point that consumer 3d printing becomes a thing It certainly doesn't look like it is becoming a thing now And it's been you know when the technology has been hyped for let's say five years And I think that's roughly where we are with 3d printing when we started saying oh, it's it's happened It's gonna happen. It's happening It's it's happened and we're like we're the train has passed and we're still on the Platform waiting to get on board because we don't have 3d printers in all of our homes. I think it's fair to say Right, it didn't quite take on take off. It doesn't mean it won't though I've always compared 3d printing to PCs and I and I and when the maker bots first came along I said, okay, this is the Heath kit era, right? This is the early Apple era and Lately it's felt like we've been in the Vic 20 Commodore 64 era and Honestly people were saying the same thing about PCs. They're like see we told you personal computers We're gonna how many people use a personal computer people buy these Commodore 64's and then they just shove them in the corner And they never use in personal computers are for business. They're for industry They're not for people and it took a while for PCs to penetrate the entire market But you know by the early 2000s everybody had a desktop PC So I wouldn't bet against that on that same timeline roughly, you know, we're talking 15 years We may see 3d printers finally become something that most people can take advantage of Okay, I I'm not disagreeing with you, but you could also say this about Almost any technology at this, you know, if it doesn't take off over the first three years You could say so the argument then becomes is 3d printing just something that nobody wants And I think it I think it's less obvious that that's true that I think PCs had a pretty good argument Like I don't know that anybody wants this in their house who wants computer in their house Like for a while that argument had some validity to it I think everybody would love to have a 3d printer if it was cheap and easy to use that they could say Oh, I need to print out this replacement part or make a key copy or something like that. Yeah, okay You've kind of convinced me and and certainly I could see I still can see this Happening at some point if the technology gets cheap and and good enough. So yeah, I guess I'm sort of between you and Fred Well, thank you Fred and congratulations and thank you Patrick Beja for joining us What do you got going on tell folks about? 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We got breaking ad Cyclists in danger of getting run uber Cyclists in danger of getting run uber Hashtag bike lanes matter Wireless tech strikes a cord Insta chat gram Apple's big Mac attack. Why are you standing up? Mac way for Mac way for new desktops. Yeah, like make way. Sorry. That's my neighbor's weed whacker Uber needs a permit like the road needs a bicycle. I don't understand that one Which one uber needs a permit like the road needs a bicycle I don't get it. Oh, I'm missing that one and darker Demers usually I get so I feel like I'm the dumb one here Well, I've got no cords to hold me down Mac the computer for 10% of us That's pretty funny Now that's what I call a sticky situation Not Patrick is only half joking. Oh Well, I like that one. That's funny a lot of wireless ones that I'm seeing I Breaking ad breaking a buddy. This is this is pretty impressive as well. I took them off and it switched Uh-huh seamlessly to the other to those. That's that is really good Sorry. Yeah, um I mean wireless tech strikes a cord hits our main discussion topic really well, yeah All right wireless tech strikes a cord is good Yeah, we're calling it. All right calling it But big props to breaking ad Yes Because it's surmise it sums up both The internet but and yeah, I like it do meth botsters Maybe that's where the new jobs come from since you can't have AI determine. What's that? Right. Thank you. Just have someone monitoring monitoring it. All right, I'm gonna take off guys Oh, you're going to that party downstairs. Are you yeah, I'm gonna go get my groove on. All right All right, I'm gonna I'm gonna put on my my earring pods and party like it's 1984 well, I'm not gonna see you again That's right. Yeah, so What do you say Joya Noel or something? Yeah, Joya Noel a banana that works good So, um, yeah, so I'll see you in early January Are are we doing a show like is it the second? Yeah, we're doing a show on the second It'll be earlier though, which I know you won't mind probably But we should coordinate on the time make sure you don't have something else scheduled Because I need to fly to CES that day So we'll do it earlier in the day and then I'll fly and it's probably gonna be a CES focus show anyway because all the Presentation happen on Sunday and Monday, right? No actually this year CES unveiled is Tuesday night So there'll be some announcements happening, but it'll be the first day of the CES stuff really breaking Okay. All right. Well cool Excellent. Thank you. Thanks, Roger. I can see you in the background. Thanks, Ellie All right, happy holidays guys. Thanks. Have a chat room. Bye Cool, well, you've got Ellie Patrick's gone. I think we might call the video early today. Yes But thanks everybody for watching and the show will be up shortly for audio listeners who are watching live and We will see you tomorrow with mr. Scott Johnson Joy to you