 Marie Kiviniemi, welcome to WPC-TV, you are from the OECD and you've just been in a session on ethics and governance. Yes, that is true. And really business ethics. So what is the big challenge that confronts both the business side and the governance side? I think it's always implementation because we have, I think in many countries and also at the international level, recommendations what to do. But then when it comes to implementation and also monitoring if the business, the companies are doing what they should be doing, that is always a challenge. But those challenges are possible to tackle. But I mean, if you look at the OECD's measures on tax avoidance, I mean you've dealt with these for some years now and yet you have big multinational companies. I think Apple, Google, etc., who don't evade tax, which will be illegal, but they avoid tax by going into helpful jurisdictions. How can the OECD level the playing field between various governments? So we have a perfect tool for that and that's called BIPs, Basie Rosen and Profit Shifting Project. And with that guidance and that legislation, which has to be then implemented also, we are able to make sure that also the multinationals that they pay their taxes and the taxes go to the right direction or to the right address. What do you think of the problem, I suppose is a problem, of campaign finance in so many countries in the world in which business plays an extraordinarily powerful role because political parties need money. Isn't this something which is always going to undermine your well-intentioned efforts? That is something that we have been dealing with also when it comes to political financing. That is a work that OECD has undertaken for a while because we really think that is one of the issues which should be addressed and what we should do is to find a solution so that when it happens it is transparent so that also citizens can rely on that money. Which companies are donating to politicians that really is not used in order to influence the politicians? So transparency and roles which have to be then followed by everyone, that is the key in order to... Well, a last question then. When you come to a forum like the World Policy Conference, do you find it a helpful forum in spreading these ideas or are you speaking just to convert it anyway? I think this is a very good forum to make people aware of the instruments which we have, the recommendations, toolkits and make everyone aware of those, especially when it comes to this tax work. So those are not yet implemented. So that is work which will then affect the coming year's taxation and in that extent it's quite new for many people. So I think this is a very good audience to make sure that these tools really are then influential. Marika Venemi, thank you so much. Thank you.