 Hello and welcome to another edition of Frightfully Forgotten's Trash or Treasure, but before we get started, what are we drinking? The Dark Crystal Munich Dunkle. Today, we're gonna bring to you a Trash or Treasure episode Halloween 5 from 1989 in spirit of Halloween season and Our season 5. That's right. It's a movie that mean Adam, and I'm sure a lot of Lovers of the franchise been on the fence about it. We were still on the fence about it, right? Every time we watch it. I like that, but I hate that. My opinion seems to change every time I watch it So we're gonna try and address Some of the problems with it and also some of the good things about it. The trash and the treasure. Exactly. Hopefully come to a consensus Halloween 5 is co-written and directed by a French director Dominique Othenan Gerard Reprising his role for the fourth time Donald Pleasance as Dr. Loomis Danielle Harris comes back to reprise her role as Jamie from Part 4. It starts at the end of Halloween 4 And it just shows it recaps everything, right? Die, you son of a bitch! The movie picks up when he falls through the mineshaft, throw a stick of dynamite in to blow him up And he gets into like this river and he's all floating down river and everything and swimming Comes on short. He meets this hermit and he just collapses one year later Jamie and she's now in a children's clinic all of the events from the fourth movie have Traumatized her so much that she can't really talk. She seems to have this psychic link With Michael and we learn this pretty much right away by Michael starting to wake up in that hermit guy's layer With that parrot? So I'm like retired pirate Wrist starts to turn around and you see the symbol carved into his wrist grabs his mask And he puts it on and as he's doing that we see Jamie mimicking chops his shit out of his back I guess that's all the thanks you get for looking after him for a whole year Loomis knows that something's up now that Michael is awake. He's decided to take his revenge Goes after Rachel who is Jamie's step-sister also kicked his ass in the fourth one So Rachel is at home getting ready listening to the 80s music the dog Max goes missing and gets a call from Lewis get out of the house Get out of there now. Jamie had this kind of premonition So she runs out and the cops come they go through the house. It's all fine. No one's there and you see Max Run up the sidewalk. Oh, he's fine. He just got away Rachel goes back in the house and what do you know it? Michael Myers is there waiting for her stabs her to death in the daylight. Then we see this kind of mysterious man Up here. He comes off this bus and you see these boots. He's kick ass fucking boots Pretty cool, and he's got that same kind of tattoo on him that Michael has Dr. Loomis He's prepared this time. He's gonna use Jamie and her psychic link to Michael to his advantage tried to Trap Michael and finally get rid of him and that's we're gonna end the plot if you haven't seen the movie Well finish watching a movie to find out what happens, but until then is a trash or treasure That's right, and that brings us to the trash one of the biggest points of contention With this movie, and I think everybody will agree either one way or another whether you like it or not is This man in black and this sort of brotherhood of a thorn and all this kind of shit That they start to introduce with Michael's character the guy shows up on a greyhound what the brotherhood of thorn Couldn't afford to rent a car for him. What the fuck first of all They don't build on it enough in this movie for it to make any sense Have this guy show up walk around and then bust Michael out of jail at the end and that's it like Where's the rest of the explanation and then poor part six has to go and try to Clean it up build on that and they just made a bigger mess There's also a lot of things in this movie on top of that stupid man in black that also don't make a lot of sense Like this hermit that's taking care of her for like a year the hermit in Haddonfield This nice suburban small little town they got their hermit I guess every town has its Does he feed him how much does it cost to feed Michael's probably a lot big guy Exactly guy on top of the hermit nonsense There's a lot of kills and actually don't really make a lot of sense because they don't really move the plot forward Yeah, Rachel makes sense why he wants to kill Rachel But after Rachel is killed just go after Jamie exactly like there's that shot of him like outside the children's hospital Well go and get her exactly just goes and kills all these other people instead of going after Jamie Why certain people are being killed kind of needs to make sense It makes the movie jump to a lot of different locations that don't really make sense either This movie doesn't really have a place that feels like home that you're grounded This is kind of like where the movie takes place. It's all over the place. Yeah, children's hospital the barn yard Yeah, that Rachel's house that party the field That in the wires house. Yeah, and then the play too with Jamie and look at that play like Jesus pick something Rachel being killed so early wasting this actress's talent and this character in some ways Yeah, I feel away, but another way. It's like, okay, you can see why you can see why they already had their showdown in the fourth one So you can't have that again right in the fifth one, right? It's got to be something different Yeah, be too much of the same another trash aspect of this movie is the cops. Well along with that stupid music Yeah, it takes you right out of the whole horror aspect of the movie Yeah, if you are gonna have them stupid and bumbling have it more subtle Yeah, and not with this stupid clown music another trash aspect of this movie is again like part four They fool you with the damn movie cover. It's not the mask from the first one It's not the mask from the fourth one. Yeah, which it should be this stupid big flap thing up. Yeah, that thing I don't like that like took that shit in buddy like get that in there or something I think it's gonna like catch the wind and start fluttering And then I hate how you can actually see the black fabric covering the eyes the first movie You got the dark eyes because they lit it a certain way where you don't see the eyes Yeah, as opposed to putting this black fabric like front and center like it's blatantly obvious They actually took a mold of like the actor's face and use that If you're gonna choose a different mask than part four at least try to get closer to the original and not further away The treasure and one really cool part about this movie is the other mask like Michael Myers wears which we mentioned the last year Top 10 horror movie mask grumpy old mad mask in the car. Yeah, it's all angry and Tightening on the steering wheel. That's a really creepy scene when she kisses him on the cheek and just the way that he looks at her You can see his eye. It's like the mask portrays his rage inside Loomis all the other movies He's been chasing Michael. He actually has a plan to get in front of Michael this time Yeah, cut him off character arc there too because he's no longer got that kind of compassionate side to him Did he did in the previous yeah at this point? He's so defeated and he just needs to get this evil off the earth by any means He's gonna use this poor girl Jamie as a pawn to get to Michael You see that change in Loomis where he's now Callous to come get her Michael And then at the end with the actual showdown he's beating Michael at that big two by four like it's pretty intense, you know And they're looking at each other like yeah, that's That's a great moment actually when you did our top 10 dr. Loomis moments We were surprised how many actually came out of part five. Hmm. He's such a bad ass He doesn't take no shit, and he's just gonna get Michael by hook or crook. A lot of the kills are really good There's daytime kills. He's not just gonna come get you at night One of my other favorite kills too is the cop when he hangs him with that rope ladder throws him out the window Beats the shit out of him before her dude. Just man handles them. Yeah Two good kills in the barn. Yeah with that pitchfork. Yeah, right through that guy and then that girl the big sickle That it's a cool shot The whole lead-up to Antina is killed as great because they have that big chase Through the field with the car. Yeah Where he's chasing Jamie and Billy and then he's about to kill Jamie and Tina comes last minute Sacrifices herself for Jamie the kill itself isn't great, but everything kind of leading up to it What's all behind it is what makes it work the idea, right? Yeah, the directing is actually really really good in this movie a lot of the shots are done Really well all of the lighting everything to do with the lighting in this movie Fantastic for the first time today ever I watched the movie with the commentary the director commentary and the director does talk a lot About lighting so you can tell it wasn't you know It's something to he Traded on right and a neat thing is in the Myers house He said there wasn't any piece of internal lighting Projected through a window or through a crack in the boards or something there was no lights Physically in the house it all came from Windows and outside and stuff which is really neat. Yeah, it's cool And they even show Loomis trying to turn a light switch on right yeah, yeah Yeah, it's a great looking movie for sure You can't deny Daniel Harris is acting in this for being I forget how old she was 1011 or something yeah, she Kill it the director talks about it too in the commentary like and he would watch her like prepare for scenes And she do things like little things like hold her breath So she'd be out of breath It's not even stuff you tell her to do she just do it on her own crazy to think that she didn't get Better work after this movie that she kind of just kind of stuck with the horror genre All it takes is a bad child actor to wreck a movie right that doesn't happen in this movie No, no it could easily have happened even Donald Pleasance's performance is like He's just given it his all yeah in this he wasn't gonna do anything past part five So you can't tell okay, this will be my My grand exit from the franchise. I'm gonna give it all he does at the end exactly Yeah, so no wonder he needed that bourbon Drinking on set down to the wire here Trash or treasure it's treasure Yeah, I think I'll have to say treasure too in my opinion on that seems changed year to year every time I watch the movie It's like ah, that's a shit. Oh, that's really good. Yeah, but I don't when you break it down the way we just did This was any other slasher if it wasn't part of a Halloween franchise and didn't have Michael Myers attached to it It's a great movie. It looks good. The acting is good You can keep going the same direction, but it may get old and you try something new now Yeah, and then so it starts to piss people off lambast Exactly, so it's kind of you can see where they were what they were trying to do and what they were sort of up against Psychic link I can deal with you know. I can get past the psychic link Yeah, yeah, yeah It's the man in black and that bullshit with the tattoo They didn't need it at all because it doesn't go really go anywhere in this movie. No, they didn't need it Anyways, I'm sure all of you have your own opinion on Halloween 5 whether it's trash or treasure or Somewhere in the middle. We had to choose one. It would be treasure. That's right. Would we watch it again? Yes, that's kind of what it boils down to and I've seen this movie many many times It's still enjoyable and you sometimes get something a little bit more out of it until next time Keep drinking Charlie Keep drinking Charlie