 So I started out in a call center environment, but we actually had really cool clients like West Point Military Academy and the Naval Academy at Annapolis and universities and healthcare systems around the country. So I started off just like being a caller in a call center and pretty quickly the supervisors pulled me off the phone, the management and the owners and made me a supervisor, mind you, I'm like 20, right? So I worked there for like a year, a year and a half and I'm young, I'm in college, I got a kid. And they were like, Hey, you're really good at this. Like you should help us train other callers. And I was like, I mean, I'm like, okay, like I don't really know what that means, but I'll take it. So pretty early on, I learned to read people how to compel to others, how to tell someone else's story to help get others involved and feel passionate enough to want to give back and support