 There were cat-howing to China for two decades, and there's only Trump's antagonism really that has changed course trajectory, less embracing China and being quite against this in all aspects. Isn't that a good thing surely? So you're saying Trump's antagonism towards China has woken us up to how evil China is. I don't see that. I don't see any indication of that. First of all, we hate China for all the wrong reasons. We hate China because it's becoming our economic superpower. That's Trump's argument, not mine. We hate China because there's a trade imbalance. Who cares? If you know anything about economics, trade imbalances don't matter. They don't matter. We hate China because they're stealing our IP. Did we do anything about that? Did Trump change that? Did anything change? The European Union did. The European Union has a new deal with China to protect European IP. America doesn't. They're still stealing our IP and nobody cares because Donald Trump didn't care. He was a mercantilist. He cared about the trade deficit. He cared about the trade deficit when we had it with Japan in the 1980s. He's on record as caring, and Japan wasn't a threat. Japan wasn't a bad actor. They were just bad economists. They ran a bad economy. So once in a while, a Western leader will say something about the Uighurs in Western China being in concentration camps. Does anybody really care? I don't get a sense anybody really cares. Anybody's willing to say anything or do anything about China for it. And you saw that with Hong Kong. Nobody spoke up. I mean, Hong Kong, it's like a bastion of freedom in the world. They're both economically free economy in the entire planet. And nobody stood up to defend it. I just, you know, did anybody, is anybody arguing? Is any political leader right now going after the Chinese government for what they're doing to their high-tech industry? For the prosecution of Jack Ma? Are they do anybody defending Jack Ma in the West? No. Because nobody cares about economic freedom. And the fact that they're regulating and disrupting big tech. I mean, the Americans are chewing. Yes, we should be like China. We should be doing that. We should, you know, we should be dragging. We should do what they did to Jack Ma. We should be doing to Jeff Bezos and Apple and Microsoft and all those guys, right? And Google. They're jealous of China. So I just don't see it. Now, I have reasons to, I think the reasons to oppose China. I think the reasons to be antagonistic to China because of authoritarian. Because they have concentration camps. Because they distort their own economy. But you know, the distortion of their own economy primarily hurts them, not us. But on trade, I mean, hey, let's buy cheap Chinese goods that helps us. And it helps the private sector in China mostly. And there is a private sector in China. So I just don't, I don't see, I see the world becoming imposing more trade barriers. But trade is not the way you fight authoritarian regimes. It's not, it's not appropriate. And it's a model. And it's not having the effect that we want to China. And during Trump's era, the four years under Trump became more authoritarian, not less, significantly. I'd say when Trump started, there was still a lot of hope that China would head towards freedom. And by today, nobody hopes that, right? It's just a matter of slip sliding into greater and greater authoritarianism. So is there, did we achieve anything? No, it looks like we achieved the opposite. It's the same with the left. The left seems to become worse under Trump, not better, right? It seems he brings out the worst in them, not, you know, he's not, because he's not a rational alternative. He's not somebody who can talk to the American people about why the left is wrong. He can just, he can just ridicule them in a way that gets your emotions going, but not your reason. Interesting question. Siri wanted to debate me. So no, I don't think the world is awakened to China in a healthy, positive way. And I think if anything, we view global trade much more as a zero-sum game than we used to. And partially, Trump said that. He constantly referred to trade as a zero-sum game. You know, our losses they gain, you know, when we, when we sell them stuff, when we buy stuff from China, they get our dollars. So we lost dollars. And God, how stupid can you get? We got their stuff. I'll take stuff over dollars any day. It's, it's, but that mentality now is common. And I see it among people who used to be pro-free trade. Now it's, you know, no, it's, it's, you know, they manipulate their currency. What do we do? What does the Fed do every day if not manipulate the dollar? This is a financial crisis. We've been manipulating the dollar nonstop. Why is there so much interest in what the interest rate is going to be next year, sorry, next week? Because the interest rate determines, helps determine the values of the dollar. We manipulate the dollar all the time. Treasury secretaries talk down or talk up the dollar all the time. I'm sure you do the same for the pound. So China manipulates their currency as well. That's the nature of fiat currencies. They get manipulated. By the way, China is manipulating in the wrong direction. It's holding the yuan up. If you floated the yuan, it would go down, which would make the exports cheaper, not more expensive. So even got the direction of how they're manipulating it wrong. But that's okay because a lot of economists do as well. So I know none of, not in a rational way. I wish it was because I think there is a rash. There should be rational opposition to China and it should be moral opposition and it should be an appeal to consumers not to buy Chinese goods and it should be an appeal to people not to support China, not to embrace China, or at least not the public sector in China to the extent that you can separate them. And there should be moral condemnation, moral condemnation of what they did in Hong Kong or what they do to the Uighurs, what they do to religious minorities, but also what they do to their businessmen. And if we had that, China would think twice about doing what they do. But they can get away with anything. What we need today, what I call the new intellectual, would be any man or woman who is willing to think. Meaning, any man or woman who knows that man's life must be guided by reason, by the intellect, not by feelings, wishes, whims or mystic revelations. 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