 Hey everyone, welcome back to the Zelda Informer podcast episode 21 This week. I have our usual calls with us. Mr. Alfred. Hello Hello and Coming back for the first time in it might be about 10 episodes now. Yeah, Mr. Colin You guys are pumping these out quick. Holy shit Every week. Yeah every week. I haven't missed one yet moving close I haven't officially missed a week yet um So we don't have a whole lot of big news topics this week I could go into all the weird NX rumor stuff going on I actually want to try to go a week without talking about the NX Since we don't have anything concrete and since some things are kind of pointing to us Maybe potentially having some concrete things for next week Emily Rogers made She made her Twitter public, obviously this is a That means NX is coming. Yeah anyways, so There's a couple things I do want to talk about though And we're gonna go through a lot of fan topics today But the first thing I want to talk about is that a fan has created or recreated or is making Link's awakening in the Occurring of Time engine. I heard about this. He's been working on it for over a year He actually originally messaged our Facebook page back in October last year And he had some some early footage of it that didn't really look that great But it showed promise you know you could tell he was just kind of getting started out. Yeah, well He released a trailer for it And I don't know if you guys have seen the trailer yet. I have It is fantastic. I haven't seen the trailer. I kind of saw where we had all that's It's best to see how long it's taken down now or no Here's the thing. It's a lot of this it is a mod of a rom it can't really get taken down Yeah That's so that's what's unique about this particular use case is there that's a no can't really do anything about it They just can't because it's not like he's you know literally taking a rom and turning it into a single release It's a mod pack that you need to have the rom to even play it in the first place So it looks great. You know, I don't know what I want won't want to take a moment to even look at it Yeah, this is awesome It looks really even I'm just going back through it I'll probably put some footage up here on the video version of the podcast You know like you've read it a link model a little bit. They'll look more like the one from back then Yeah, a lot of textures added new enemies Obviously, you know modeled all of the the areas, you know that we see in there from May Village Couple other areas in there. I wonder how Twin Peaks inspired this This new version is gonna be you know, my favorite thing about the whole thing what logo man. Yeah, that logo is sick I think it's like the thing for me that it's hard to wrap my mind around is he's taking like a 2d space and making it 3d Well that too. Yeah, no that one. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so he's gonna be adding I should know he's gonna tackle the puzzles Because there's gonna have to be some modifications to that. Oh, yeah, you know combat They're like, you know, it's gonna be accurate time combat. So it just says what it is But yeah, I'm really interested in this this project now Obviously, there's been a lot of like remake projects over the years Many of them gonna shut down my Nintendo because they were trying to be like standalone releases That's kind of the big red flag that if you're making a standalone remake of a Zelda game You're probably gonna get shut down or any Nintendo game. Yeah, any Nintendo game not just like like it's just not gonna happen But you know if you're if you're releasing basically a modification to a ROM Nintendo really can't do a whole lot about it Because they don't own your modification You know all out of that stuff that you're doing with that modification Do you think we're gonna be seeing more of this? Whereas like Twilight Princess HD, like they're trying to like the people that were making the HD texture package They're trying to turn it into like a standalone thing now and like soon Nintendo finds out that's gonna be the end of that Yeah, it's not gonna be good. Do you think we'll see more mod like Workarounds like this then to where I could see them and that's kind of the time Technically this has been happening for years Yeah, I think if this project Releases like 100% complete. Yeah, and ends up not Getting any sort of legal action against it any even a cease and desist which might might just be nothing And Nintendo might know they can't shut it down, but they'll issue it. Anyway, it's just to scare the guy It's one of those if this releases and it's successful I think this is the direction you'll see future try to like really emulate. Yeah going for making you know remakes of Zelda games You know and there's obviously the question of should the remakes even exist You know should Nintendo be remaking these 2d games and 3d And I think what's interesting about you know the prospect of Nintendo doing it is that you know you watch this little trailer You know, there's not a whole lot in it. You know, it's 215 seconds. Maybe 50 seconds of it is actual game footage the rest of it's like, you know disclaimers and and logos and my credits and stuff But it's it looks really good and if he could somehow make this work There's no reason Nintendo couldn't do the same thing with their own games. Yeah But it ran it isn't an established. Yeah, they probably don't know if Nintendo would do that They might make a whole new engine for it beats me Yeah, knowing them they'd make a completely new engine for a remake and then it would take like seven years and I mean either that or they just you know Release it on the virtual console again Well, they're going to do that. That's oh, yeah, I Mean there's money to be made clearly by them going three generations in a row Which is probably what's gonna happen with nx where they could just release the same games on the virtual console Because for some reason you won't be able to convert your Wii U games over. Yeah, you won't and you know I really wish it was linked to accounts that way transfer the games over Well, that seems to be a lot Not the Nintendo ID but the Nintendo account system that they've set up now It seems to be inferring. That's how things are gonna work from the nx moving. Yeah But that was like that would have been nice to it would have been nice like I understand why it didn't happen with We I kind of get it They weren't really fully going all in with online online was pretty bad to be honest I understand like I can give the Wii a pass because the yeah They knew they were gonna do some virtual console stuff, but they didn't really know what they were doing we do I can't give a pass for It's an online from the very beginning. Well, and they touted this whole like strong They were always like we brought someone in to break like do the online like it's gonna be a completely new Nintendo online system And now it's it's I mean the only bad thing is it's free. There's no subscription Hopefully it says that which it which is a that's a big plus for some people You don't have to pay to play online It does suck that like I'll be on my Xbox one and it'll remind me every three months Hey, you need to renew your live membership or you can't play Madden online against people. I'm like why? Well, why do I have to pay a fee to play my games online? Well, hopefully with the X and I understand Like if EA was being stupid and charging me a fee for that's fine. It's their game. Why is Xbox? This is dumb. I think Madden is like one of only like three series to not actually have PC ports Yes, and that's the only reason I That's why I have an Xbox one because of Madden You know, I'll say if an X takes off a great, I don't have to have an Xbox anymore I mean, I'll probably keep the one I have I have an Xbox one S. So it's got the 4k Blu-ray player Which is that alone to me is one Yeah, it's like the cheapest it's like one of the cheapest 4k This is not Nintendo or Zelda related in any way shape or form, but I recently got gears for and The good Yeah, but I was what I was gonna bring up was the Xbox play anywhere program, which I think yeah That's I mentioned it. I think on the last podcast like the the the the old and I How I think it's like the niftiest idea ever and it's awesome It really is it's if you don't know what it is basically Every Xbox exclusive from like now until the end of time started with record and then no It actually started with for the break. Oh that one and break. Yeah, it was a break It was a pre-order bonus where Preordered the X the digital version of the Xbox version of quantum break You got the Windows 10 version and you can Your saves will transfer over and now that's like a comment That's now the new thing where every Xbox exclusive will just have Windows 10 version and you can save your your Yeah, they own the OS and they own the Xbox hell the Xbox runs on the OS like you might as well I just wish they would take like older games and do that like with sunset overdrive and stuff like that Yeah, or an actual full version of like Master Chief Collection or something Yeah, not Taylor 5 forge Bundle it's the bundle. Yeah You know get getting it a little bit back on top. Yeah, so we could talk about you know You know, I'm just really interested in Nintendo exploring the The remake route of the 2d games. It's not something we talk about much I know we had a fan topic on it a long ways back, you know, it shouldn't intend to do it You know, I was kind of against it at the time because I just didn't think that they could Do it successfully because like the puzzles, you know, like I said you got to completely rework all of those puzzles to make them work in a 3d space and You know now that I look at this granted. It doesn't show much puzzles It just shows, you know some some settings like running around a little bit of combat walking around It makes me feel like it could work Yeah, yeah, but the puzzles are gonna have to be reworked like they can't be Yeah, exactly. We have the same issues I have before still press, you know We haven't seen at least in this footage, you know a puzzle yet But it just it excites me. Oh, we do get to see fishy I think it would be cool to see Nintendo do remakes like this I think the problem is is that we won't see them do stuff like remakes like these if the games don't garner enough Support in the first place sure like the only reason that you would see like we saw Ocarina of time Like remakes like throughout several different generations is because it was so popular But I was thinking about this earlier. It's like well I'd like to see an HD remake of Paper Mario the Thousand-Year Door that would just be fantastic I just don't know if that's necessarily going to happen Just one thing because so far the only HD remakes they have done are and correct me if I'm wrong But I don't think I am Is Zelda titles? Yeah, they're just Zelda games. It's just Zelda games. I know I keep trying to I kept thinking there was one more But you know, I don't I mean, I guess there's like Super Mario all-stars That that that barely counts. You could technically count the Metroid Prime collection But they really weren't that upscaled from they were just ports Yeah with like new controls and a little bit of updated textures, but not by too much Yeah, it's interesting because Zelda clearly Nintendo has no problem doing remakes For they've been doing it doing it, you know, the series is now ripe for like an accurate enough time HD You know a lot of people think that's gonna happen someday. I wouldn't doubt it And you know, obviously we still have to you know, if we mode store and X technically they could do Skyward Sword You know, there's a lot of you know directions to go with remakes But it's really interesting to me because taking a 2d game and remaking in a 3d space It's not just your average remake like you're completely reimagining that game to make it work Not only that Physics always get real real weird. I don't know if anyone remembers this, but um Ubisoft did that remake of No, not you so well. No, yeah, it was Ubisoft who did it, but they did a remake of Turtles in Time In 3d and it was it was awful. It was it was here. I heard that set me so bad. Yeah Also Skyward Sword HD for NX I'm just you could you imagine Nintendo advertising a 4k version of Skyward Sword like can't imagine 4k version of anything Yeah, I mean if it is if NX is 4k, that's great But I I even if it is 4k, but let's just you know make the wild presumption that somehow Nintendo is targeting PlayStation Pro and up kind of specs It's I don't see them advertising 4k outside of maybe a brief mention Of it like when they reveal it. Otherwise, I really see them being like yeah, come play Skyward Sword in 4k Like I just don't see them even bringing it up. I think it'd be really funny I think it'd be awesome, but So see Nintendo be like, yeah, you know what we are gonna go a little hardcore here. Hey, come get your 4k 60 FPS Yeah, that's right. It's at 60 because Skyward Sword uses painting graphics. So it's not that hard I mean if we're gonna see a 2d recreate or 3d recreation of a game I I'd see something more along the lines of Zelda 2 just Redone models. Yeah, because I like you said like we brought up is that you have to worry about physics You have to worry about redoing puzzles and at that point Nintendo is gonna be like that's it's not worth it Let's just make a new game. I mean that's not worth it Yeah, it's like why remake we're basically building a game from the ground up So why why not just make it a new game like why make Zell links awakening 3d well That's kind of what they did with a lift of the past Yeah, but between worlds, but it's it's kind of it. It's not that different because it's still a top-down ish perspective It is yeah I mean they added the wall merging which yeah added a new dimension But for the most part you don't play a majority of the game. Yeah that perspective and so it's it's like again You'd have to rework you'd have to rework everything about that game and at that point It's gonna be like well, why even do that when we could just make a new Zelda game Why why worry about building it? So I mean to be we're never gonna give us like three hd We're never gonna get Final Fantasy 7 within all of us time that we've been working on Zelda all of us will be dead and Then the first episode will come out No, the first episode will probably hit next year We'll all be dead before the final episode comes That's true. We'll all be dead before no no before 1.5 comes out They're just gonna release them in like you get there at least one and then there'll be like a new like in the Scorpio come out And then it'll be a remaster of part one 7.1 Slash two and then as they're working on part two they're gonna release version 1.5 Which is a reremaster of the original remaster on the PlayStation 5 365 over 2 and just like all these ridiculous title We're never gonna see the end of that game and then eventually Like you know, maybe we should downport it back to the NX just to give them a thing But we got we can't just call it final fantasy 7 part one No, it's got to be like War Mastered Edition or something We'll have a better chance of seeing the end of the Marvel Cinematic Universe Before you get the final episode of Final Fantasy 7. We'll see Final Fantasy versus 13 come out before we get I don't even know I'm just saying we have a better chance of that Well, we'll see obviously, you know, there's a lot of people who speculate all the reason why Final Fantasy 7 might not ever see full completion. It's screen. I mean it looks good so far But we'll see it's really hard to trust the developers behind it They have a very very very bad history of delaying like everything Just terribly and then blaming like what's that one group that Crystal Dynamics are they the ones that make the Tomb Raider games? Yeah, yeah, yeah, they have a way of like bashing their best development studio for making quality games on time And blaming them for their financial woes when their games are outselling the Square Enix typical games It's just they're they they have some issues Oh that means that I really hope that they, you know, keep bringing out, you know these games And I hope that it comes to NX and all that stuff But we're kind of on to the next topic This one's coming from a fan and it's because this is something I often debate with people on social media and It's not I don't think it's anything we've actually ever talked about on this podcast and we might not have ever talked about it on the old podcast and This is brought up by Taylor Brad B from our Facebook page and he asks us that He says is beating a legend of Zelda game with a walk-through on righteous No, no It's one of those it's easier for me to say no because I Mean, how am I supposed to tell people how they should enjoy a game? Here's here's the dealio as long as like Game guides have been around forever. Yeah for I don't think I don't think walk-throughs are too bad Well, I'm like, no, they're really not Okay, I'll say this much I'll say this much like sure a walk-through will tell you how to do everything But you still have to be like good at video games to get through to the end Yeah, I mean that I guess the only negative thing I could never say about a lot through is if you're reading a walk-through Most people that read walk-through is at least from the people I've talked to They kind of read a little bit ahead because they want to know what they have to do coming Yeah, so you can kind of spoil the game as you go Here's the thing when you're reading ahead you're only usually read the head five ten minutes in the game You're just about to experience that anyways And like I've used walk-throughs in the past for Zelda games and I I never felt like I was spoiled Well, I think it didn't wreck what was experiencing when I was experiencing in the game compared to me just playing it without it The only thing it wrecks is maybe a sense of accomplishment when you overcome something really really difficult But some people don't play games for that sense of a cop I think I think like the only time a walk-through can really like like ruin I think really like you're cheating on a gameplay experience is if you're playing something like Phoenix Wright or Okay, man chin or anything like super text base Because then it's like literally telling you just how to like click your way to victory. Yeah, like you're not actually It's one of those I don't care if people use what there is good one It doesn't affect my experience with the game too I don't really look down on them for doing it because You know as I said everyone plays games for different reasons There was someone who way back in the day that used to work at Zeldin former It was part of the zelda historians and the bombers gang and all this stuff And he always told me that the only reason he plays all the games is to figure out where they go on the timeline He doesn't enjoy the gameplay He doesn't enjoy majority the story But the only reason he played was to gather new information for the timeline. Well, I'm sorry to interrupt But this is like like pretty crazy news. Have you guys ever played sleeping dogs? Yeah, the studio that made sleeping dogs has shut down today Huh and their latest title smashing grab which just entered early access like a week or two ago is was just taken off steam Like it's done. It's over. It's cancelled welcome to the AAA industry. Yeah, I Just wanted to bring it up. I was like game. I thought I was crazy shit Yeah, if you don't tell enough, you're in trouble. Was it sleeping dogs also buy Square Enix wait a minute. Oh Good. Oh my god, it was it was published by Square Enix Thanks, Square Enix. It's all it's all come in full circle. Oh Like when Bayonetta 2 didn't sell, you know, 18 bajillion copies. No one cared Platinum was still happy Nintendo was still happy. Yeah Then again, it's sold like 2 million, which is pretty good. It's a good game Like the original Bayonetta didn't really sell that much more than 2 million combined. So Um, so so much for hey, it's gonna sell like crap because Nintendo fans never played Well, I mean the problem with Bayonetta 1 was that like the only way to play it was on the Xbox 360 Which only the US market likes everyone else likes the ps3 and that version is well the 360 Terrible. Yeah, but Xbox one's the one that's not doing good overseas anymore. Well the No in the UK the Xbox one s is doing really really well Yeah, but then again, that's because of Sony's stupid decision not to include a 4k blu-ray player when they are the ones that pushed blu-ray in the first place Don't know what they're thinking like I'm sorry. I'm gonna be salty on it I really really was like I had an Xbox one. I wanted to get the PlayStation like pro That's what I was gonna do. So I was gonna have both those consoles and you know be happy and get all the games Get my last guardian get whatever and then they just said to be like, yeah We're not gonna give you a 4k blu-ray player. I mean, I don't know them. What the I'm gonna go trade in my Xbox. Yeah, and that's like, I mean, I don't I don't I I'm coming from the bias of like I don't really think like 4k is all that worth it at the moment because like I mean standard television shows still air at like 720p But I'm like most people watch like streaming. Yeah. No, I understand in 4k wait. I'm getting somewhere here But like the I I think the incremental upgrades to the consoles are stupid like Because the ps4 pro is like it's such an anomaly because though they're pushing for 4k that thing can't do No, there's no way like the score. You know sure the Scorpio. Yeah But like the Scorpio is like right at the cutoff to where you could do like true 4k the the ps4 pro is Actually less powerful than the GPU in my computer and it's a 980 and I know and it's like Like that's why I saw it thrown on the old gas was that so why are people more hyped to all the ps4 pro? Well, it's very obvious your competition basically just announced They're gonna obliterate you and sure they have they do have games to your guns They do have games running in 4k, but they're locked at 30 FPS and on top of that They don't look nearly as good as the games running a native 4k. Yeah Like it's I mean, I'm not saying like if you're thinking about a ps4 4 pro like this stuff shouldn't really matter to you per se Unless for some reason you are one of those people that do you're buying VR then sure why not? Sure, you might as well get like three extra FPS while you're at it But like if you if you're looking to get some true 4k gaming I mean gaming PCs are pretty cheap the biggest regret I have is we got a 4k TV earlier this year Yeah, and I didn't really do a whole lot of research on it because I didn't have any devices that could do 4k Somebody really care We were just getting a new TV from the man cave and social happened at the 4k one was like just as expensive as the 1080p So we were looking at so I'm like, okay cool We'll just we'll just get this 4k one. Hey look some shows like house of cards and stuff for 4k and Netflix That's cool and don't you know it looks like I could tell a big difference between the 4k Netflix shows and then the other Netflix shows like it is noticeable Especially at the 65 inch mark but I Didn't get HDR and I didn't think that mattered until I was at my buddy's house who had an HDR 4k TV And he was playing a 4k blu-ray on his Xbox one s and I'm like, oh my god This looks way better than when I watch it on my the colors are so much better Yeah Now getting the general public to care about that who knows if that's ever gonna happen It'll happen when it's affordable and 4k TVs are becoming more and more affordable You know this holiday, I think it'll be the first time that you can get like a 50 inch for under 500. That's gonna be 4k Whether it has HDR or not, I can't tell you that but you know just getting just getting kind of back into the The original topic on the walkthroughs. Yeah, we got way off base, which that happens in Collins here. Oh, okay Yeah, it just happens. I was talking about 4k But I was trying I was I was originally gonna try to bring that conversation back Hey, you know, what about that nx 4k that way? Wait, no said no next time. I'm trying to get through here Apparently ps4 pro is is the topic of the day So, so yeah, so Taylor Bradby You know long story short walkthroughs shouldn't really be an issue for anyone If someone else is using a walkthrough it doesn't affect how you play You shouldn't look down on them for using it because they enjoy the game in a different way than maybe you enjoy it Yeah, you know and as I said, I think right before we kind of spun off You know, we had a guy at Zelda form that only played Zelda games to find out more about the timeline Not because they actually like playing Zelda games and this was way back in the day I don't even know what this person's doing anymore So it's just kind of one of those We shouldn't judge people in how they play a game You know, it's just like all the people that whenever we post up a speed run They get all mad all this person sucks They shouldn't be playing a game that way if you should just play it 100% to complete like why this is what they enjoy doing And they're probably I hate saying this They're probably better at the game than you are because you have to be a pro at the game to even do speed running in the first place Got to do those half eight presses, you know what I'm saying? Like yeah, you know, yeah, it's crazy It's crazy how good they have to be and the thing is like, oh, but why don't they just play start to begin 100% I guarantee you they 100% of the game several times like Yeah, that good you have to do that and We shouldn't look down on them because they enjoy playing the games in a different way for different reasons than you do It's just like looking down on like I kind of compared to this because no one seems to look down on a fan Who does this? Are you someone that does a three-heart run? You know no potions no fairies, you know sort of this runs or whatever in Zelda Are you someone that does that? No one seems to look down on you for doing it So we shouldn't look down on other people for playing the games in the way that they like it That's with walkthroughs if that speed running, you know if that's trying to play with their feet Just because they want to see if they can do it Okay, cool. Let them do it I'm just thankful we even have this series that can be enjoyed by you know so many different fans in so many different ways and It's really true of all games. You know, there's some people that are buying like by the field one Just because they want to play the campaign and that's fine. You know in the multiplayer. I Know I wanted to the campaign is actually really good I I got the BF one trial and I gotta say I I've been hating like every battlefield single-player campaign three and four three and battlefield three and four single-player campaigns are some of the worst I've ever played but I played the first story of Battlefield one and it threw me back to like The days of olden World War two shooters not just because it's an old war shooter, but just like Back when it was awesome single-player campaigns back when the campaigns were about Men in war doing their job and not like like back what back when you could legit just buy a first-person shooter for the campaign Yeah, well, just like I don't know. I'll call duties when they were World War two base I barely ever played multiplayer in those things. It was all camping It's just that it's not like trying to push this like Heavy cliched story, which is the real issue with the latest battlefield games of like battlefield four is an absolute garbage train wreck But the battlefield one is like hey, let's just make it an anthology thing and it's like okay Sure, that's how you should make a war game though. It is weird all the historical inaccuracies, but No one wants to hear me It's video games So we're gonna go ahead and to the rest of our fan topics. We got a few more here. Yeah So thank you Taylor Bradley for asking about what there is. It's a very interesting topic If you for some reason feel that way, I hate saying you're wrong, but you're wrong stop Stop it like don't prejudge people because they play games differently than you do Bert Manning from our Facebook page I said, where should the series land as far as a tight narrative a la wind waker and scabbard sword with cutscenes and character development Versus shotgun storytelling like the original legend of Zelda or more recently only between worlds and yes I know Hilda actually had some character development But it was more of a plot twist and a legitimate character development wherever that means So the question seems to be Should they take like narrative with the series more towards like the cutscenes and heavy character development? Or should it be more like like hands-off like the legend is all the original was or just said hey look You need to go save the princess have fun. I want to say hands off because while while I played skyward sword like a year ago and Though the one thing I actually really liked were the cutscenes as much as I don't like cutscenes in video games I really learned some really good cutscenes because link was like actually emoting and they were real well made. Oh, it's great, but like I Still prefer the idea of like Go on your adventure like just just Start right off and with that and that's what breath of the wild seems to be doing and I'm Like a okay with that and I think that's actually I mean We don't know until breath of the wild comes out how they're actually gonna handle the narrative and whether or not it's like the best thing since Link's awakening, but I I'm gonna say like I may prefer that a little bit more But I'm also an old man Yeah Yeah, again in that like like what way would you go with like I've always said that about I've always preferred story Because I think story can influence gameplay more than gameplay. I don't like it would you know Don't even those elders develop completely. I know I don't like how gameplay can influence Or like how they try to make gameplay influence story like in skyward sword. It kind of worked but Like I just like the overall aspect of a game telling a story and that's just out of me wanting first of all games to be taken more seriously in as it is a media form because a Lot of them like they still have a bad reputation Yeah, if you look at stuff like the last of us that game is a freaking masterpiece like they become Like games have become more. I want to say more accepted by the mainstream Yeah, but the actual like Like the actual media themselves Still kind of paint like bleak pictures. Well, it's so bad if you if you've been keeping up with anything that's I think happened recently Alex Trebek said something about like nerdcore rappers and nerdcore musicians in general which you know Screw him for that But mega ran one of my favorite nerdcore artists came out and did a song about it and did a rap about it Sure, it's been very vocal about that cuz you know, this is life. This is love that and I think that you have like this Like split where Some like I hate doing I hate saying this but I think the older generation still views video games It's like this stupid thing that kids do Where as people in I'm not saying that about all older generation like there are some people that are Way older than me like in their 70s that enjoy playing video games But as a whole like the more quote-unquote adults out there They think that video games is a very childish hobby And totally yeah, I mean if I mean even yeah, no, I'm sorry one if you think it is then fine, that's you know good for you But I I think I've made this argument before people made this argument before how passionate we are About video games and about, you know developers and stuff They're just as many people passionate about football and they don't even participate in football They just watch it and so if you're that interested in that and you can tell me all the stats I don't call don't say it's stupid for me to be interested. Yeah, I especially like when people say it's stupid Like why would you watch a live stream? Yeah, you watch live sports? Mm-hmm It's like the same concept on why you're entertained Because you're not passionate about that video. Yeah, and so like I think stories is a big part in showing how Video games should be taken more seriously as a medium And I think that we saw that with stuff like any any naughty dog We'll say, you know, it's there's been some progress shown. Yeah, definitely ESPN as an example now covers eSports And they do like live events and stuff like it's really cool Yeah, you'll still see a bunch of people who are way out of touch in the comments like bashing it But apparently those shows are getting really really high ratings. Oh, yeah It's it's one of those like people need to start recognizing. Hey, look, it's not a traditional physical sport, but man It takes skills a lot of people that like it. You can't ignore Why people are into video games? I Think that the more we see And that's why I think that like we've talked about Nintendo needing to stay somewhat relevant by keeping up with the competition That the more we see Nintendo go to the not necessarily fall in with market trends But following with like, okay Well, our games just like it's okay to have platformers and it's okay to have, you know Just games that that are just fun. Yeah, but there also need to be strong story-based games that draw on people that aren't just Nintendo fans because you know And that's why I'm really hoping that yeah, I'm good and you will think is oh I don't know if I necessarily agree with that I mean I I definitely disagree with Not having gameplay influence the story and I certainly 100% agree disagree with the idea of the last of us being a masterpiece, but that's Internet is against you that also would fit You know your opinion on that you can kind of see you two are like different ends of the spectrum Like it's completely different ends like Alfred really loves like that deep story and then that's kind of like what games Like the last of us or even like I don't rain. I don't hate deep story But I think it's a preference. It's it's it's more like Gameplay should be the most important thing because otherwise you're not playing a video game. You're playing a story Kojima though But like no, that's that's that's horse doo-doo and I can tell you why because like Metal Gear Solid 3 is one of the best games I've ever played and as much as I hate cuts Here's the thing. There's at least like two to three hours of unmolested gameplay in between and load those 30 minute cutscenes Like it's not like the last of us where you walk five minutes Do a little bit of uncharted shooting and then there's a two-minute cutscene and then rinse repeat They at least let you play the game for a sizable chunk and do whatever you want until you actually get to the story Bits and hey, what do you know the story bits since they're so long and drawn out and they have so much They're basically an intermission for the game. Hey, they have more time to actually like tell you what is going on and entertain you I don't know. So don't do that shit and I'm gonna tell you what's going on I love the series, but you can play all four of the Solid games and still have no idea what's going on in that story because they're I mean they're they're campy silly goofy games I'm not saying that Metal Gear Solid has an amazing narrative But I'm not saying that in terms of those in terms of telling a narrative I think Metal Gear Solid does it better than most games that do the What's because on a break quantum break has like ten minute sections of movie walking that shit is the worst Oh, yeah, that game was I didn't even play that game, but I've heard that it's awful It has the same issues that the last well, I don't see I I agree with Metal Gear Solid That's one of my favorite series and the reason why I think that that's such a great example It's because Hideo Kojima purposely makes his games like movies Like he wants them to be like he's probably the biggest proponent of having Games as an art medium in an art form He loves that like, you know, I gosh I would have loved to have seen But he's still I mean aside from like Metal Gear Solid for all of them What you mean you don't like the two-hour cutscenes Though that one was a little bit too heavy, but this is getting intense But let's but that's one game of what like no, I know seven and all of them have always been gameplay first Metal Gear Solid 5 had the issue of having too much game. Yeah, and too little story But no this no cuz this is time I'm gonna tie this back to Nintendo because I think what Nintendo does as well as much I just like said the Skyward Sword cutscenes were really good Nintendo has always been a gameplay first company because they've there's been other instances where they've tried doing the story first thing Metroid other M Great, it's not fantastic Hell hell, you know what I can bring up another one. Remember when like Mario Sunshine opens with like a 10 minute unskippable cutscene Sure anyone liked that. Wait, it's a I skip it every time I start a new game It's not unskippable, but it's still like ten minutes long. It's still a ten minute long Mario cutscene I'll never forget that moment where you see Mario is saying full sentences That's the weirdest Bowser juniors mouth like moving up and down like he's having a seizure That I'll never forget that part of Super Mario sent no one can forget Nintendo Nintendo's always worked best as a gameplay first company and That's I think what that's what has I think that's why they have so much appeal still like The Wii U might not be doing great, but their games are still, you know critically hailed Exactly when Reggie, you know, it was kind of a cocky statement But it's true Reggie said like at E3 this year that if you could look at all the current end platforms Nintendo has the highest rated games. Yeah Fact like you could look it up and that's why that's why Bayonetta was such a perfect fit for the Wii U Because that is a gameplay first game and it has great. I mean you can say it's great story It has a really good story to it. Yeah, and I think that that's one of the things that this is kind of where I was going Is that Nintendo does well, especially with the Zelda series is that they? They do like they have a good combination of it sometimes for the most part like in Zelda games Like we can argue about Metro at other MV all the whole time I kind of side with Nate on that one more than you The biggest I'll just say my biggest grab with that game is the final boss battle quote unquote boss battle But Nintendo tends to like you said lean more towards gameplay and they do that well like that's They do it extremely well unless it's like Star Fox just like it's platoon. Yeah. Yeah, well even even with paper mario color story It fits what they built well keep paper mario color splash like there's almost no like for lack of a better term if the stories paper thin and But the gameplay I hate to say that I like that game, but I'm the jokes of it It's it's such a good game, and I hate that I want on principle to hate it But I I'm enjoying it so much and it has great gameplay somehow Despite not liking sticker star. It's a great game and Nintendo knows how to make a good game Yeah, no it is it's infinitely better than way better way better so You know what I think when I think about the Zelda stuff, you know cutscenes character development Hands-off, you know It's really interesting because I like all of these things all of these things what's all the games I like the cutscene heavy scoured sword Yeah, I like the massive character development you see in games like Majora's Mask Which isn't necessarily all cutscene based but you could see in modern gaming how there might be more cutscenes You know if that type of game was delivered today. Yeah, and I also like you know the original Zelda here Here's a sword go save the princess figure it out like that's awesome And and I think what's going to be interesting to me is breath of the wild from what we have seen in interviews what I've experienced It feels like it's going to be a game that gives you the option to go either direction Yeah, well the other thing is it says you can go to the end or after you beat those first four shrines You could just go to the end of the game Throwback to the old 8-bit titles, which were no story all game Let me get the old 8-bit titles to let you go to the final boss right away. Yeah, you know what we need though I'm gonna trigger Colin. It's gonna be funny. What we need is we need a telltale series Legend of Zelda Here's the thing Telltale's okay. They just need to start making you know games like again They need to like point clicks. They need to stop with the license shit and make like they need to go back and make No, they got to go back and make a salmon max title but tales from the Borderlands was fantastic I think walking dead is pretty good. They need to like go back. They're more recent efforts have it then I mean, they're still I mean, okay, like the game of Thrones one like it's not bad It's just like what you guys say though. It's not great Would you guys like to see something like that then like a Nintendo game based around like solely story where it's just a point-and-click Like could you yeah, they? As maybe like a side game. Yeah, like 20 bucks. I Just just to throw it in there Just just compare like any new telltale game to like strong bad school game first Right and it's a comparison. It's such a good game. It's so good, but um I could see them doing that and all story-based. I mean they should be This is one of those things that I think breath of the wild is gonna help me decide because yeah I'm going to end up playing through the game at least twice so I'm gonna have what maybe even three times because I'll probably have an attempt at a 100% run and You know the first time, you know, I might just rush to the end. Just just skip the story Who cares? Let me just enjoy this sweet sweet gameplay and beat the final boss and have some has some old-fashioned fun And then I'll come back through and I'll literally seek out the story and I'll see which way did I enjoy playing the game More than I enjoy not not the gameplay in between because I gotta kind of separate out the gameplay from it Because there's gonna be a lot of extra gameplay as you're extending the game looking for a story But you know was the payoff from the story worth it my time for the stuff I'm doing was that story something I actually cared about or was it just classic. This is really bad writing These are really bad cut scenes The story doesn't make any sense. It just has more plot holes in it than a Like a piece of Swiss cheese Yeah, I mean that because that's the reputation Zelda games have like it or not all these fan theories that exist exist because the stories are flawed Like it they literally exist because Nintendo is bad at telling stories But you know what the excuse for that is is that they're like oral legends being told over time so stories change and Yeah, I know Or it's just you're really you just don't have good story writers that Nintendo just wants you to play the goddamn game Again all I care about is gameplay so That's why Shigeru was able to get away with like oh, yeah, this next one's a prequel like see you later like That was it no one cared like when they just drop. Yeah, Trek Force Heroes is totally in the timeline It's you know again. Obviously you guys out there. You've heard two different perspectives obviously coming from Alfred and Collin you've heard me or I'm kind of literally right in the middle I don't know because I like all of the above so far I mean I can say I can say for certain that like my two favorite games of the year have been an All-star story cutscene based game and a gameplay based game and those two games are Tokyo Mara's sessions and doom and And for a second. I thought you're gonna say overwatch. No But that's like all gameplay man Yeah, but it's also all bad So this next one comes from Kyle steed and he says that he asked on Twitter last week And maybe it was a little too late. By the way, it was a little too late I saw your question. It came through while we were doing the podcast. It was a little too late to give it in But what do you guys think about instruments in breath of the lab from what we have seen it doesn't look like one will appear Well more on that in a moment. Should we have known about it already if it is going to be part of the story? Hmm. I can you know, I could see them. I don't know if they will again. We know we don't really know It's not a central theme. That's for sure. That's true But the tablet is your central. Yeah, but if you think about what like a breath would be Like a breath of the wild like if they're going with this whole air thing You've got like oh, I knew whistle. You do whistle. Yeah, I mean you've got I What I could see them maybe doing is something like those little Horseshoe plants like from Twilight Princess. I mean princess. Yeah, were you blowing on the grass quote-unquote play a Pona song something like that? Which you know, I think it's just gonna be a whistle thing Yeah, because in the demo they had like you press down in your d-pad to whistle and I swear That's got to be how you call your horse. Yeah, and you just didn't have a horse in the Noah So it did nothing. I mean I could if they wanted to they could throw in the ochre And I just don't see that they're being a point like like I could see that The thing is there's like Ben instruments in Zelda games now for a long time So I feel like there's going to be instruments in this game They're just not going to have that kind of significance people say, you know Like I could see like Sheik's harp showing up. Yeah, like But they've already done a very much could be a Sheikha item like it could very much be a thing that shows up You know, you could see, you know a lot of things obviously based from the Sheikha You can end up seeing music wise, but it's just one of those that for Link himself the music I don't think going to be as important. But here's the thing. We don't know because we haven't I mean as Nintendo said themselves They've seen one to two percent of the game That's such a little amount of the game to really base that whole yeah music's not going to matter on or There won't be instruments like we don't know all we've seen is the opening area and in the opening area of Like ocarina of time you don't really get the ocarina. That's true. You get that when you try to leave So, you know if all you did if all you had a demo of for ocarina of time You know outside of the fact that you know, it's in the title, but let's just say it wasn't called ocarina time It was just called you know the legend of Zelda, you know Whatever of time and you Just add the demo of the opening area that you play the first dungeon and that's it That's where the demo cuts off you might not think instruments are important And that's kind of akin to what I view what we have seen a breath of the wild so far is that we haven't seen enough to know I Just don't well based on like the breakable equipment and stuff. I don't know if like they Even want to go with the instrument because I'm trying to what's the last song again? It didn't have an instrument Twilight Princess. I mean unless you really Unless you really want to come as an instrument. You're the wolf whistles. Yeah, but I really wouldn't that that was like a Halloween Like I know that's not an instrument But to me it's as much as instrument as when you were busting out the pipes with all your masks I mean, I guess you could because you did the music was important You you had to use music throughout the game. You didn't have to do that. Well, no, but it was highly encouraged. Yes Yeah, trying to make you do it. I mean I Like I like you said, we don't know. I mean we could see like I just don't know how it would fit in based from what we've seen yet or based on what we've seen yet, especially if The game is returning to like a more traditional route, right? They wasn't really one in the original Ocarina Ocarina of time there wasn't one in the original Zelda and there wasn't really one of those Zelda 2 Yeah, but they didn't play as intricate Well, no, but it is an instrument. Yeah, but they didn't play as intricate intricate as a role as they have in past games like if you look at Like if you compare it to Ocarina of Time or Majora's Mask Yeah, where it links awakening is a little bit based around instruments. No, but I mean you don't need it to go into the Games like you don't need it to go into the final boss. Whatever instrument it is. So I Mean why it's one of those that? It makes sense for them not to do it, but it's understandable if they do do it because the series has been doing it for so long You know so yeah, I mean that's just one of those that we just we just don't know Kyle We'll find out hopefully I guess I would like for there to be some instruments in the game that are like optional from side quests That would be really cool I don't know that I want one to be like a central point to doing things in the game because I think that detracts from what the Game's trying to do where it's breath of the wild It's about the why yeah, and I don't really need a musical instrument because that's not I mean really part of the Blowing in some grass and all so that's fine, but but Nate don't you want to paint with all the colors of the wind? So yeah, I would like for them to be musical instruments in the game I just don't think they should be meant well like clearly not mandatory since you can go right away to the final boss so Yeah, well they got down a train you build a mandolin out of it. There you go, right? Nice sit on the next one Sex one comes from at King of the Pirates on Twitter, this is our only one from Twitter because Colin yours doesn't count Sorry Colin yours never counts. I guess yeah, I usually I skip over Collins every time We'll all do some on-air trouble. We might get in if we bring up those topics that he mentioned so So at King of the Pirates says which race is the most essential in the Legend of Zelda and which one is the least Significant throughout the history of all the games high leans What high leans are the most? Yeah, because I ended with lease. I'm like wait a second. You just know no No, I'd say high leans are obviously the most important correct me if I'm wrong there though Well, it's I mean it's hard to argue Highly herself reincarnated as a pre highly and highly Link is a highly in Yeah, that's really like I Mean like it's really hard to say who the most important one is because it's kind of obvious for the least important one Those you have a little bit more leeway there. Yeah, there's a lot of races in Zelda, so it's yeah, you can get tricky But hey, we don't we want to see the kick we But they're so cute. I know that you don't really matter. I know they don't like completely irrelevant See like I almost said Zora for a moment, but I was like no, I just don't say that people will get mad at you I mean, they're significant one of them is the sage You can make the sage anything it just happened to be that race a sage of water Because there was like a sage from every race. Well, apparently also one of them is also like the sage of winter earth, so And that you know Sure, that's confusing the PCORI third useless. Yeah Oh Rock people are the most important the least important is link The the race of link The race of link the race of link link is a race the main protagonist of the game Even if we just take him as his own race. Yep. Yeah He is all of the links, but they're just their one race and they're all very not important Yeah, they don't they're irrelevant the legends don't tell of them at all You're wrong the Mognus are the most important No, I mean when I think of the least important for real, you know, I can't get off the kick-wheels I just don't know what they're unless they evolve into something. That's more important. I don't know The purposes the yeti Yeah, you could say the yeti's yeah, I mean those I mean they're just good to get possessed once in a while Yeah, one of them turns into like some Twilight Demon thing you have to slash a bunch then again like I'm like You know, it's what was it least significant. I mean it's significant to me that because of the yeti's I snowboard now. I Guess that's like now a breath of the wild just do it anywhere. I want Would you what about the I can kind of butcher this the Miami? From I am I yeah, I'm I'm I'm I whatever. Yeah, yeah, they're kind of pointless to Yeah, kind of remind me the kick-wheels like they don't really have a purpose. They're just there like hey Look what we've got a thing. Hey, we got some stuff in the game. Yep. They don't matter, but here Remlitz Those things have no point I could argue that I mean there is a point to them, but vocal blends are basically useless and shouldn't exist They are fodder. I mean breath of the wild actually adds a little bit more challenge to some of them But before that game like that game is not yet. So I guess I can't count it I don't know. I'd still say one of the coolest the two coolest parts in Skyward Sword involve the coblins When you get electrocuted no the when there's when you're down crawling out of the under the Cistern with the zombies and then when you have to fight that horde of them getting the Zelda at the very last part That was the cool one of the coolest parts of the game. Geez That's awesome. So yeah, they're there Kyle There's some so a little bit of brief discussion. It's really hard because there's so many I want to go I want to go like oh You know be original with the most important But you can't go anything on the high like they are the only thing that are central to the game They're in every game every game. They're in every game like you can't there's nothing more important than them And at least important, it's just pick a race. You don't like It's in one game that did nothing. Yeah, you know like you could say oh you didn't like Like what were those stupid looking chicken bird things and twilight princess Okay, okay, but here's the thing if you actually pay attention to the story. They were kind of important What about those those weird snow people with like that always wore park is from Spirit tracks You mean dude they originated with waker that one guy you get the sale from really yeah He's one of them like the Esco. He's like an Esco. Okay, and we never really learned his race no the in The they have like horns on their head. They're on like one island. Oh Okay, yeah, I think I like mini blends. No, you're worth thinking of soup to completely. I know I have no See I hate fan of our glass. So that's just like I know So they go Kyle we kind of gave you some some ideas I guess and Colin gave you some some rock people and yeah, so so we think long long and hard on that I'm not gonna go into this last one again because this is still that super long one from mythasaur hunter I really apologize. I swear one of these weeks We're not gonna have enough topics and we are gonna go through your six page marathon. Yeah, I read it It's gonna happen. I still saved like it's a really good topic And I'd like to get some really like you know that might be where I bring in like six people to talk about this Topic But We're gonna get into the final part of the podcast because you know we didn't start recording a half hour late So it's another reason why I didn't want to get into it because this would make it a two-hour podcast Yeah, um, if not longer, it's not longer. It's a very good topic I know I would be like, oh, what is it? Just keep anticipating. It's one of these weeks. It's gonna happen We are gonna get into the final part which is our favorite thing to happen in video games in this past week And remember this is the section that could be about anything although this entire podcast seemingly has been about anything But this is about this week This past week, I should say From anything from last recording so last Monday through this Monday because we record on Mondays you know really some Mondays and What what what do you guys got you guys got anything anything like awesome to happen? It doesn't even have to be news it could just be like a personal achievement you made I Got my keyboard back. That's pretty cool Gaming keyboard. No, I actually use a an old IBM keyboard from It's a clicky. That's why whenever I type it's the loudest thing in the world. Yes, it's still not louder springs It's still not louder than Darren's clicking It is louder. Oh, look at that. It's louder than My cherry MX keyboard. Yeah Um favorite thing you happen in gaming though, I guess years for years for Yeah, I mean I haven't I haven't had the time to know actually I take it back River City ransom SP came out nice and it's it's a good if you have a 3ds And you like old-school like it's rollers. You should go get River City check that out It's called River City Tokyo rumble. It's real good I love it. It's great. Oh my gosh. Hi, son. Oh, Emily Rogers to just be quiet for a little bit She made her Twitter public. It's important. I know and now she just said annex is not getting delayed It's on schedule launches in March news is coming this week and next week. I just saw that well. Here's the thing I Will give her a little bit of credit if news actually does come this week and I speak because literally everyone has been saying It's gonna happen next week like every single week. So this is the first time she's actually said it's gonna happen It's gone to the point where like if Nintendo doesn't reveal it this month. Yeah Everyone as all the former if she is wrong about us getting annex news this week and next week We will never talk about it again. Nothing has changed business as usual Yeah, but I but I said paper Mario is coming to the Wii U once Was there also Mario That's definitely that's not my favorite. It's just something that just Because Emily Rogers follows my personal Twitter account for some reason so I have always had access to her stuff But anyways My favorite thing from the past week is obviously my long shot hope that this beyond good and evil thing is true Yeah, I Love beyond good and evil and I'm willing to replay that main story plus get some additional details Simply because it was mentioned in the supposed report slash rumor about beyond good and evil Becoming like this annex exclusive if it sells well enough Nintendo will fund a second one Which means that beyond good evil 2 can actually happen. We just have to support this reboot Hope that's assuming the reboots good. Obviously the gameplay sucks and everything don't be buying stuff that sucks They didn't really like announce that it's in production. It's in pre-production, which means it still could go They're still not working online. It's been in pre-production hell forever. So yeah, well, what happened? Apparently the person who is heading it up is the one that kind of made the waves recently by stating that it is reopened pre-production Because of some new contract talks and this is where this is kind of the stuff that's backing up the whole okay Well, if Nintendo got involved that's obviously gonna involve some contract talks They got to figure out licensing they got to figure out funding all this stuff before they could really you know Really take it off into full development And and what's really cool about this supposed rumor report is that we'll go to know soon especially if the annex is getting revealed like this week or next week because I Apparently a new CG trailer will be what what it'll be unveiled with just no surprise Yeah, pre-production. It's not ready to show gameplay, but it'll it'll be a another CG trailer like the original showing of it and it'll be At the NX reveal event or something like that. That would be one of the big announcements. So it's kind of It's kind of one of those things that we're gonna go soon I don't have to wait long to know if my excitement over this my hope for this is bad Well, I'm presuming that NX even gets revealed this year, which Again, I Nintendo last said it'll be revealed in 2016. So I guess I'll stick by it even though Nintendo delays things They would never delay things Never never See Especially a lot of good stuff that isn't there. There is I guess that mine's kind of a two-parter because I So the Red Dead sequel. Yeah, that's one of the things I'm not really I I never got around to playing the original and then when I finally got it the version I have is broken So I can't know what it looks what version did you get is the PS3 version? I got like maybe 30 40 minutes into the game and then the disc just like stopped working And so welcome to play station. Well, and I got it for like eight bucks And so I was like, yeah, this is gonna be great like cheap price got it from GameStop first first mistake And then every time I find it again, it's like 20 bucks I'm like, I mean, I don't know if I want to spend 20 bucks on red day Cuz my if I just really want to play it bad enough I can just play it on one of my friends Xbox like 360 or something. It's such a good game Yeah, it's a really good game But I guess the the big thing that's happened to me was I got some money for my birthday So I went out and bought people are a color splash and like I said, I Don't actually hate it and that's a problem for me because you're gonna play it I I do actually like that game. It's it's fun. It's funny there's there's a few gripes I have for it and I guess the biggest one is the same gripe that I have against we just mentioned dark moon is that The the type of like the the character that was in it and the original like in Paper Mario A Thousand New Door and then the original Luigi's Mansion Yeah, aren't in the games anymore like you don't like I I'm left wanting for like those extra characters like You have yeah, you have the the side character like this is one of the complaints that you heard from the very beginning of the game for color splashes you have You know Mario peach Luigi pops up sometimes toads and then Bowser and then the Koopa kids and that's that's it There's no like extra like extra species or you know in in Paper Mario a Thousand New Door where do you have the bomb arms and the Piantas Butchered that as well and all these different like races and then Luigi's Mansion where you had the different character ghosts and like the People ghosts and then a dark moon where you didn't have any of those And so it's kind of the same problem that I'm having with color splashes like I love the game It's just missing that character that made the first one so good But if you're if you're looking for one last hurrah out of your Wii U. That's not you know Zelda Go get color splash. It's actually pretty good. It's not terrible like everybody thought it was going to be it's not It's not the Metroid Federation Potential to be pretty good like second to last Horology Wii U. Go get Tokyo Mirage session. Yes. Oh, okay If you have to decide between that or Paper Mario go get Tokyo Mirage sessions because it's an infinitely better game And if you're thinking about building a new gaming PC and the GTX 1050 1050 ti I just got leaked I would I would say a budget still but Yeah, yeah, I mean it's not that much more but it's so kind of nice for it's really interesting This generation of GPUs that they're actually targeting budget PCs. Yeah, that's just awesome It's just that like the the tech has advanced so much and like it's it's it's the tech has advanced so much and the fact that like Consoles are no longer top of the line machine. Yeah. Oh, that's one more thing, too what's that I got to try out the psvr and And liked it it was it was cool Yeah, that's what a lot of my friends say it's really cool But that I asked them like three days later. Are you still playing it? No, it's like you have to first You have to plug yourself into the matrix to play the game and then you have like six or seven chords and like it's It's okay. You still have to plug it into a box into the back of the ps4 And it runs fine, but I don't know if I could be like, you know what I feel like blowing $400 today I'm gonna go buy a headset For psvr. I'm do you have the move controllers? Otherwise, yes, but you have to buy you have to have two Individual like the Wiimote looking move controllers move controllers Yeah, you have to have the camera you have to have the camera and then you have to close at the box All versions come at the box. Yeah, I Actually tried out psvr at Indycade East. Thanks Zeldin former press badge, but uh, no problem, buddy I I tried it out with a game called It was like I think it's called like hypercube VR. Yeah Some really generic title, but it's basically like 3d Tetris And I gotta say that out of all of the VR headsets because I've used all of them now I've used Google Cardboard. I've used Oculus. I've used Vive My friends even letting me borrow his vibe because he lives in New York City now, so we can't use it Expect to see a vibe silly stream from me sometime in the future nice But uh, yeah, no what you could expect next week is for us to talk a little bit about Pokemon Sun and Moon since that demo comes true Oh boy, but by the time you listen to this package the demo will already be up But for a recording session, it'll be probably talked about next week in the final segment All right, we're going back to VR. I tried the psvr headset, and I think it's my favorite Yeah, all of them I would agree reason the reason being is because it does this thing that all VR headsets should do where the actual Visor and the game in front of you wraps around your vision You're not looking at you like a pair of toilet paper rolls like in every other VR headset It actually wraps around your eyeballs There's one fundamental problem with it though, and this is was pointed out Well, this is it was pointed out in the IGN review is that you can't have a true 360 game Because as soon as you turn around your body's put between you and the camera Yeah, and so you're cut off and there's also like 50 cables running. Yeah back of your head Like I said, you have to plug into the matrix personally based on what the VR I've used now I haven't really been that impressed by any of it like it's one of those like it almost feels like to me the Glasses free 3d on the 3ds. It's really cool, but I'm not really gonna use it I think it has more potential, but I was more potential whether whether they Hit the potential with games that feel like it actually needs to be in VR And can get VR to be affordable because I know they know the psv are supposed to be a affordable thing But if you're like someone like me, I don't expect one. So for me to get the VR the PC I have to buy my console. Yeah, I have to buy the headset So I'm already 800 deep there and I gotta buy the peripheral this you know, I'm spending a thousand bucks So basically if you're just out of my gaming PC I could just go get the vibe and save money if you're deciding to win like a kidney surgery and the boss We are five would save one get the kidney surgery Just just psvr. It's this is one of the things that you'll hear you'll hear everybody say this if you're waiting for Like if you want to get VR wait because it's nowhere near ready Like I said don't be one of those early adopters. Let them make the mistakes I said it on the old podcast. I'm gonna wait for the GameStop pre-owned accessory like plastic bag bundle for the svr But I am I guess fully ready to embrace it. I I own The 100 foot robot golf because I played that in decay. I really like that I got a physical copy of res infinite coming in a couple months. I'm hyped about that But the thing is is that these aren't VR exclusives There's only one that I want to play and that's until dawn rush of yeah, that looks good And I I get why it's VR exclusive because they want you to have like little demons go Ooga booga like right in your face like right into your eyeballs Spooky yeah, but like otherwise it just looks like a typical house of the dead Shooter, and I just want to because I'd like to play a new good rail shooter, but I think there's no There's no market for those games remember that well The problem with VR right now is that it's basing around experiences and not games And I don't know if you can justify a $400 experience with $20 experiences tacked on to that I mean they just launched like all five of these headsets and yet They're still issues with like how to technically move around in these games Yeah, yeah, I still want you to teleport all over the place or just stand still and that's not great Yeah, and still my best VR experience is uh Then this is goes like way back guys remember the game Crimson skies. Yep. Yeah. Oh, that gets fantastic So way back when there was someplace I was at Minneapolis that had like this giant Set up for Crimson skies We get it it feels like you're in a cockpit and then you put on like a headset a VR headset And you're playing it in virtual reality But like I'm actually feel like I'm flying the planes it feels like I'm in the cockpit and when I look down in virtual reality It literally looks like the exact same controllers my hands are on in real life Yeah, yeah, and it's like awesome and I'm like that to me was the best virtual reality I've ever played in my life because there was no compromise Yeah, but how do you make that right now thing? I know that's what I'm saying It feels like right now at the consumer level that while obviously something that's a little unrealistic unless you're just rich Like that kind of set us probably like $30,000 to even get something just consider Consider every VR headset right now a developer build because it's not really ready for consumers like it is but it is The thing you guys mention you you turn around when you can't do a 360 view because it blocks the camera Yeah, you know or the cards get in the way And this is like basically a lot of things I feel uncomfortable about if you want to watch a great video about why VR is not in a great spot right now watch What is it basically giant bomb at a giant bomb? Yeah See vibe there's a there's a brief like like five minute long like Compilation of all the moments by crowd cat, but uh, yeah, you know, I watched that part of their there I don't know if it was part of the bomb caster. I can't remember what it was part of But yeah, I remember watching that because I was really interested in some of this VR stuff I'm sure so tons of pre-orders and they said look there's a lot of really cool stuff But nothing that's worth spending the money to play unless you get Yet I remember them harping hardcore on the prices and so so here's a $60 here's a $60 $20 it plays like a Wii game Yeah, this is a $20 game it lasts two minutes, but you also have to buy the $800 headset to play the $20 game Yeah, it's just not consumer ready when it comes to PC gimmicks. I actually went backwards I got myself a copy of the Nvidia 3d vision glasses They're fun. They're actually a lot of fun to use Watch this like going back in time like all the weebots. I'm like, I go use the PlayStation Headtracking motion and slamble soccer balls into that net What's gonna do it for this week's podcast I hope you guys enjoyed we out the end to talk about VR VRs It comes with the big hot button topic right now Maybe until the NX it's unveil which might be cool The NX is just the VR You don't actually know if it's going to be a cool unveiling when it does happen if it ever happens Some people believe the Nintendo just scrapped the whole thing at this point What's that you could follow me existed it never existed you can follow me at N8Jance on Twitter You can also go check out my site Nintendo Prime.net. I just published well Not just at the time of this but a couple days before this podcast I published our new episode of the Nintendo Prime podcast episode 2 all about Nintendo We go over some crazy things we have like how we would unveil the NX And then we have like a voting thing going on with that and the losers have to like recite poems It's getting nuts. It's a lot more doable betting than Alfred and me had for E3 where Alfred still owes me I do I'm trying As long as it's like all I say is just before the end of the year Even if I can guarantee you'll be before the end of the year But Halloween's coming up. It's a good time after we're done with all the wedding planning and stuff I can guarantee you It's it's a rough life Nate. It's gonna be the most watched video on our YouTube channel. I guarantee. I don't know about that one You come down you come down here and do it with me then it'll be the most watched video website especially we do it live A 20-minute live stream of just us singing backstreet boy songs dress like tingle. Oh my gosh. No, I didn't lose the bet so You can obviously follow Alfred at Fullmetal Alfie. Do you have any anything you're working on that you might want to tease the people? No No, I'm nothing in the bank. I'm living doing life You're probably doing life if you follow me on Twitter You might see engagement photos if you're into that if you follow us all the form on Facebook You're seeing a lot of Alfred's old editorials. Yep. I've been reposted But they're really good stuff. So they're definitely worth reading if you haven't checked them out I still get the same arguments over. So yeah, it's fun. It's awesome. Nothing's changed Colin where can people follow you at? You can follow me at Everywhere YouTube Twitter Omega at a Wl un dr. Am that's Colin's Ram I'm currently working on schoolwork I'm hoping to get actual content up soon. I do have a Top five video. I want to get out Eventually and I want to do more streams every now and then and potentially redoing that Nintendo Prime video Yes, I'll eventually get it was a really good video originally. Yeah. No, it's a good video It's just the footage sucks. Yeah, but um, no, I will I I'm always on super bunny hops dad streams and Go yell at George to put me back on the TOVG podcast Jimmy Sunder mad, but yeah, there you go Awesome. Well, thanks everyone for tuning in and we'll catch you up same time next week. Yep. See ya You