 We're live and Roger's walking out of the room. I took the wrong moment to press that start broadcast button, didn't I? Oh well Hey everybody Hello Today we're gonna talk about brains Today's episode of Daily Tech News show is brought to you by the letter a and I Hey and I What I don't get it. Is that some reference to some pop culture? Oh, you know, you don't get the reference of today's brought to you by the letter. Oh, yeah, that's just me street I Patrick at what white eye so the letter a Oh No, but then it's like the letters. Yes, I should have properly spoken English. Thank you That's usually plural letters It's like those those memes you see or these gifts, you know with This is why you have to place your commas correctly. Oh my gosh. I'm so bad with commas, too They're not must be one that is Anyone not an Oxford comma person. I I I grew up in a P style which does not use the Oxford comma The Oxford comma is the one that you put before the end Yeah, A&E right. Yeah, I think this is the AP style was not to use a comma before and in a list And that Oxford comma is to use a comma and they before that is I don't understand Why you would not use the comma it can lead to many a misunderstanding No, the and is implies a comma There's no need for it Well, usually AP style also did not allow you to use peanut butter and jelly in a list So, how would you do that? You would you write PB and J like the Or just peanut butter these sandwiches were peanut butter and jelly lemon and It was and only the Oxford comma rule in AP style only applied to lists of three or more So the idea was you would rarely have lists of three that all had conjunction So you put the conjunction at first in the list So one example of the importance of commas not AP or Oxford, but still is Let's eat grandpa or let's eat grandpa Yes, could lead to a lack of grandpa That's a good one that's a good one Come as do matter bio cows got the eats shoots and leaves That's another good example. I'm just saying I'm not saying it's right. I'm just saying AP style was no comma before and Actually, I think there might have been a thing that said, you know And if there is would be confusion you could use the comma, but still but then I Know I know All style systems have quirks like that I guess so maybe there was a comma shortage back in the days Moveable type the internet before they were digital is what you're saying. We're trying to save money on all those commas It could have been just a spacing issue to you know with type setting. Yeah, actually that does that's quite likely, right? There's a reason I mean, you know, we have a keyboard based on the limitations of mechanical, you know, typewriter, right? All right, shall we begin this show then? comma or no Is that a proper use of order? I don't know. We're gonna begin the show anyway. Here we go Daily tech news show is powered by its audience not outside organizations to find out more head to daily tech news show comm slash support This is the Daily Tech news for Tuesday March 28th 2017, I'm Tom Merritt Patrick Beja alongside From France today, correct? Yes, indeed I am in France and I am ready to talk about tech and not about the Oxford comma or the AP style comma like we did in the pre-show Yes, we don't give a F about the Oxford comma as the song goes We're gonna talk about neural lace so we could either go arsenic an old lace or Stevie Nicks leather in lace with our pop culture illusions Who knows where we'll end up stay tuned and find out and find out Let's start with a few tech things you should know Google announced that Google Home and Google Wi-Fi will launch in the UK on April 6th Both will be available for 129 pounds each and you can get a two-pack of Google Wi-Fi for 229 pounds I'm waiting for them to cross the channel, but with the Brexit who knows when that will happen Tinder launched the web version of its service called Tinder online in Argentina Brazil Colombia Indonesia Italy Mexico Philippines and Sweden with plans to launch everywhere else Soon, they made a big deal about how hard it is to design for the for the web in the desktop Because they're so used to mobile apps I thought that was an interesting reversal of the way things used to be How do you even swipe left or right on the screen like Touch screen you have to swipe with your mouse The US Commerce Department will remove China's ZTE from the trade blacklist after the company admitted to violating sanctions on Iran So that whole thing is over. You can now safely buy from ZTE in the US again Now here are some more top stories Facebook stories is now available on Facebook itself So if you're keeping track at home folks, you have a stories element now on WhatsApp Instagram Facebook messenger And now Facebook They're all different stories lives above the news feed And of course like all the other stories and like snapchat and everything it lasts for 24 hours after you post You can with these new with this new feature choose to share a story directly into your timeline and news feed You can also share stories privately with a direct feature So it's kind of like I don't know messaging people in the facebook app Uh posts can be stills or video They have a bunch of cool filter effects you can use and the facebook app will have a dedicated camera button now So yeah stories. Um, so a couple of things first of all I wonder if it's going to be confusing that you have a different set of Stories for your messaging app or for a facebook messenger and for facebook proper And the other thing is when do you think? The app facebook stories is going to be Separated from the rest of the See you you leaped one in front of me I was wondering when the facebook stories would be able to have chat So that you can respond with more than just images But yeah, then the next step after that is facebook stories is now its own app Um They really want to treat messenger. They don't even call it facebook messenger. They just call it messenger They really want to treat it as if it were its own thing as if it were instagram or whatsapp So in the facebook mind, this isn't confusing at all But a lot of us still think of facebook messenger as being the thing from facebook And you can still access it from within facebook unlike whatsapp or instagram. So Yeah, I Kudos to snapchat for blazing this trail because apparently it's good enough that everybody wants to mimic it They want to make sure they have it available I mean they can always kill it if it doesn't work well enough for it's always been facebook's strong suit to Follow, you know the trends very astutely and to either buy up the the actors that could be a threat to them in the future or integrate The the features that are popular or do both like whatsapp. Yeah. Yeah um And then the other question is what happens if you do a story on messenger and you watch, you know, you you Tried to get to it within the web version I'm not sure exactly how it works or now since you're gonna have the stories because the web version is unified But who you still go out to a different tab right when you go to messenger. Yeah, I guess Yeah, I think, you know, I think they don't care about it because they realize that most people Use it on on the On the app. Yeah, this is all this is all with mobile in mind. They're they're they're not thinking about the desktop much Much Of course, they are a bit um Uber a little uber announced that it will withdraw service from danmark on april 18th The move comes in response to a new taxi law introduced in february Which would require drivers to have fair meters and seed center sensors Seed sensors in all vehicles danmark has 2000 uber drivers and roughly 300 000 riders use uber That's a big deal This is way bigger than pulling out of austin texas because of the background check law This is pulling out of a a lucrative country with, you know, some pretty significant uptake 2000 drivers 300 000 users and It's always hard with uber because you know, there's more to this story than just the pieces of the law but requiring any ride hailing service forget whether it's uber or grab taxi or lift or Or oula or whatever to have a fair meter Seems a little ridiculous. Yeah, it definitely is You know forcing This is basically and i think that's why they might have just, you know Not even tried to fight it or i maybe they did but i mean ultimately It makes The uber service one of the, you know, two or three core elements of the uber service irrelevant I mean If you're gonna be paying that way anyway, I guess it's not entirely irrelevant But it does look weird, especially if they have to follow the same kind of metering that other Taxi companies do if that's if that is set, you know by the administration but Yeah, it seems like denmark is really not it seems like a move designed to Make uber's life difficult Well, and uber already had been declared illegal several times in denmark But it was doing its normal thing of continuing to operate while it challenged the lawsuits So this feels like they just the den the danish government just got tired of that and put through a law that would Essentially make it impossible for them, but now makes it impossible for anybody else to compete with taxis. Yeah Uh scientists at boston university published a paper in nature biotechnology describing a way to make mammalian cells Follow 109 different sets of logical instructions with consistent success They tried more than 109, but there were 109 of them. They were able to make work consistently So they're not the first to do this with a cell, uh, but they're the first to do it consistently Especially with a mammalian cell. I think some e. Coli have been programmed before Cells execute instructions by using a protein dna recombinase to cut and paste segments of dna in order to produce or stop production of proteins So the oversimplified version is ah, I don't want it to make this enzyme Snip snip out that part of the dna. Boom. It won't make the enzyme again. Oh wait I want it to make the enzyme snip snip put the enzyme back in One cell, uh, this was one of the demonstrations was made to light up when a certain enzyme was absent So that's the kind of thing that could be used in diagnosis If you want to check like take a blood sample and check is this protein that is That is present when a particular disease is present, uh, I will mix it with this And if it glows then I know the disease is there So you could have cells light up to a diagnosis and uh, there are lots more complicated instructions It could carry out as well that talk about in the paper teaching immune cells to target cancer So that you're only killing the cancer cells and not the cells around it Uh and helping yeast to more efficiently produce useful chemicals I guess yeast is used to make a lot of perfume But sometimes it's hard to tell when the yeast is winding down and so this could could help Make that more efficient We're hearing about the yeast producing useful chemicals, but what about the yeast producing useless chemicals? That's the story. They don't want us to hear Yeah Yeah, this this sounds awesome. It is way out of my, uh, you know, it I understand it is tech, but I wonder If it turns into if if biotech turns into, uh, you know I don't want to say proper tech, but the kind of consumer tech we can all relate to at some point in the future We're making strides, but uh, uh, you know, I don't know if it's going to turn into I go to computers all the time. Um, and so there's there's some elements of that there The tendency when you see these headlines is to want to jump to like Ooh, so a computer that runs on dna and exact. That's not exactly what's going on We've heard about for a while, but you know, but what think about it this way If you're a developer and you know how to handle logic gates, you know and and or not all that stuff You could get a job in biotech With this because you could you could help program You could help come up with programs because the same principles that apply to your computer algorithms Can now apply to biological systems that can execute certain things and and especially have medical applications Well, there we go. That that is uh, what will encourage our listeners to do if they're looking for that kind of job, I guess Um, the wall street journal reported that amazons go Cashier less convenience stores won't open to the public this month because the system can track more than 20 people at once There are a few other quirks in the system including problems when customers slow their movements The journal sources say amazon won't open the store to the public until the technology gets better Which probably is a good idea. Um, I want to know The yeah, the 20 things just seems like a capacity issue like that That sounds like something they ought to be able to figure out eventually the slow movements Like can you imagine people are like I want to I don't want to be charged for this ketchup Real slow Yeah, that that is definitely the kind of thing they should pay close attention to Um, but yeah, I mean good on them. They should not they should definitely not Launch the thing because this is the kind of thing where you can be you can become a meme Very quickly, uh, and it can shift the company's perception. You were talking about Uh, this very thing yesterday with uh, Veronica saying that amazon I'm not gonna say the name of This only happens on this show. I don't know why Strange and you were saying amazon. Anyway, go ahead. Um, so you were talking about the the image of amazon Which is it's very true that there are no fanboys for amazon And so there's no I mean some people like it some people dislike it But it's a very different relationship than with other um tech companies some of them at least but That I can imagine a million ways that this these could turn into Memes that would be amusing but also damage a little bit of amazon's image. Yeah, and to be fair Uh, you know, it's easy to be the naysayer and say, ah, I told you it wouldn't work But they got it to work with people moving at normal speed and up to 20 people like that is pretty impressive Because if you didn't quite catch this it's cashierless There are no cashiers you walk in it you you scan, you know, you're the fact that you're an amazon You know customer it approves that that's all you need to get into the store Then you walk around pick up your stuff and leave just don't do it slowly And right now they're they're operating it with with employees So I assume that means that the employees have less incentive I'm not gonna say no incentive but less incentive to try to game the system or at least if they're gaming the system They're doing it for beta testing reasons not for malicious reasons. Yeah, well or maybe they did but then you know, it's like I'm I'm testing the system. How am I I have to imagine all the ways that people would You know, I wonder where they uh, where the the amazon group, uh, the group slack is where they plan You know 21 people raids That would be a really interesting thing to uh beta test or you know, uh To to yeah to to test the limits off like if you're dancing around doesn't pick it You're running around naked doesn't track. Well, maybe yeah Yeah, um, yeah, it's not gonna get upset upset at that No, maybe maybe you still as a computer Uh, oh and by the way Accenture says it believes AI is going to become the primary way banks interact with customers within the next Three years Accenture is a research firm and did a survey of 600 top bankers academics and experts And among those 80 believe AI will revolutionize the way banks gather information and work with clients That may sound a little vague, but they're saying very specifically We think we're going to be using AI on the front lines of client interactions The belief is that AI will allow for more personalized interaction. We often think of oh, they're going to automate it So I'll have to work harder to talk to a human But with the AI at least the belief is you won't feel disconnected You won't feel that impersonal touch that you do when you're fighting through a phone tree Because the AI will actually be able to understand what you're asking and get you the information you need In an in a friendly way have a little bit of personality That will help banks scale their advisory business. And this is the part I found really interesting. They say right now They can't really scale the human advice. There are things that humans are still the best at looking at your situation and helping you Figure out complex questions Because they have so many resources devoted to hiring humans to ask the basic questions If they get the AI to do that then they can actually hire more advisors So this will change the nature of jobs in banks, but it wouldn't necessarily eliminate them Yeah, again, kind of what you were talking about yesterday it's For how long though when does the AI uh, probably not for a while. Yeah But The thing is the reality is there is um We already have that issue of have of automation I think it's very easy to confuse the two automation and AI. I think are there are some some overlap there's some overlap, but Automation and phone trees and all of these kinds of things are already here. I don't think AI is going to make that part more Automated it's already automated. Yeah, but it can make it faster I always hate with the phone tree is trying to guess which one is actually going to answer my question Because my question is usually more unusual than what the phone tree anticipates Like if you want our store hours press one. Well, no, I know I could look that up on the web, right? That's if you can just get to an AI which says what can I help you with right off the bat Then you feel better because you're not waiting and it can actually try to understand your question So basically the automation Now is is kind of dumb and we need a little bit of intelligence in it Uh, even if it's artificial and that's you know, that's exactly what is well Hopefully gonna happen because the automation the frustration the annoying part of it. We already have it's not gonna get get worse Hopefully because of AI unless it's trying to mess with you Yeah And I like this idea that AI could also pick up some things that right now the phone tree just kicks you out to an operator for anyway Uh and freeing people up to do the more You know holistic advice we're like, ah, you you have a question about your retirement or or or you know How to balance your investments things that aren't just mechanical that that might require a little back and forth There's still a role for humans there. I think that's I think that's the kind of thing that That I like to see because it bears out my belief Which is things that we can't afford to hire people to do now will become affordable if automation You know makes makes some of these other things less resource intensive. Hmm. You mean like every single time something has Made arduous jobs Automated well, right so far. Maybe this is the time Who knows? 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You get all the tech headlines of the day in less than five minutes Okay, not all of them that is there's way more than could fit in five minutes But we give you our curated selection human curated selection Of what we think are the top headlines of the day in less than five minutes You can subscribe at daily tech headlines dot com So elan musk is backing a startup We mentioned this briefly yesterday called neural link which is exploring devices to be implanted in the human brain And help your brain interface with artificial intelligence You may have heard musk refer to this kind of technology as neural lace The idea is to create a high band with direct connection between the computer and your brain Company will focus initially on treatments for medical stuff epilepsy is already being treated With a similar much less sophisticated Implantable device they could treat depression they could Treat parkinsons has a similar treatment right now any disease that impedes communication and that's where they're going to start musk commented on twitter Monday that a long neural link piece is coming to wait, but why in about a week He says difficult to dedicate the time but existential risk is too high not to so a lot of people are taking this as Elan musk has been very critical of ai research says it's very dangerous Maybe backing a startup that wants to allow us to work with the ai's helps fight off ai apocalypse But honestly most of this is just about enhancing human cognition. It's about helping us speed things up In fact, there's another company that's doing this called kernel that was created by brain tree co-founder brian johnson Johnson's talked a lot about hey, we're already Cyborgs we're already Using you know outsourcing parts of our brain We just have a really slow connection because we have to type things in or or touch things on a phone And so what he wants to do is create a better connection between that information and the brain so There's all kinds of ways to go at this Patrick. What do you think of all this? So I think the first the first thing that comes to or at least that came to my mind was If it was anyone other than elan musk anyone else except maybe bill gates or a couple of people But even right johnson, I guess. Yeah, right. Yeah Anyone else people would be laughing their butts off at this it would be like or maybe not laughing, but you know consider it Uh Not a crock like I don't believe it when I say exactly And and the fact that elan musk has already done pretty incredible things after having stated, you know They well, we don't know who elan musk is so Um, I think this brings this idea not just into Focus not just that it brings it a lot of publicity but people look at it and If they had thought, you know, it's ridiculous with someone else here. They think okay, wait a second Is this actually serious and and they might give it more credit than they they would have if it was someone else So that's the the first thing the elan musk effect is really strong Just like the force. Yeah The musk is strong the musk is strong with this company Yeah, that takes another meaning Um, the other thing which is really interesting is that idea that We already have, uh Externalized tools that interface with our brains. I think um, you know, there's this this Idea the the analogy of um, or I think it was Steve Jobs who said, you know He wants to create the bicycle for the mind with a computer What what his analogy was Is um the speed of animals if you take all the animals in on the planet And you rank them by fastest speed they can do the humans are really low But if they use a bike A bicycle then they shoot up to like the fourth place or something like that And and the the image here is that if you uh use a tool to enhance the way your brain Can function and the things that your brain can accomplish You you just have to see it as a tool. So it resonates very much with the this this explanation of Really the difference is the connection the type of connection that you have and and elan musk is going to invest heavily into the Software part because the connection is very hardware driven Well, obviously, but then once you're connected if you manage to be connected Then you need the software to Work properly and that requires a lot of research and development as well Well, here's here's here's the thing about this. We are farther along than some of you out there think Uh, Miguel nicolay less for instance has conducted experiments where he was able to let one Uh, I can't remember if it was a rat or a mouse now But one rodent control another one with its brain with a with a direct connection Uh, we we can do this. Uh, don't forget the story. We talked about it on dts of Nathan Copeland Who was able to control a prosthetic hand with his mind and feel A certain level of touch That's the big one We've have a lot of technology that can go out from the brain and control things usually with external things But being able to take signals in and interpret them is just beginning Now that said we're also not nearly as far down the road on this stuff as maybe some of the others of you think Uh, because we you know, you mentioned the hardware part of this There's a lot of hand waving at that because you got to figure out not only Where to put the hardware which requires you to know how the brain works and how the brain fails But also how to put it in so that it's not dangerous brain surgery Is dangerous, uh, you know, it's a question. It's not brain surgery. Yeah, this is brain surgery It's yeah, I mean, there's definitely if if even with all the faith I have in the elan Um, I do think that this is going to be a longer Uh, uh view than his his other crazy projects like, uh autonomous electric cars and Rockets that take you to mars or things like that. So that's how insane this kind of is but there's also as you mentioned applications that are A lot closer than these far flung ideas about Actually Interfacing the brain with a computer the things like Quote-unquote easy treatment or you know, the easy uses like The treatments of some conditions like epilepsy and depression and things like that They are in the realm of things that are Happening now or going to happen soon and so I think that's the anchor that brings this project of his into a more achievable time frame or or Concept because the initial applications and what is going to be used to research More difficult uses are those things that are not about Controlling something with your mind or making you feel something with your Machine through your brain, but you know treating those those conditions that can be managed that way So that's why neurolink is Filed as a medical company in california. They these are going to have medical applications now The neural lace is real. That's not imaginary. There's a paper in nature nanotechnology about an ultrafine mesh That can merge into the brain to create what appears to be a seamless interface Between a machine and your biological quote-unquote circuitry It can be injected with a needle and mice have survived the implementation and are thriving That's still far away from being able to put it in humans mind you But it's not wholly imaginary, right? It's it's something that that is actively being researched So it's funny like I'm of I'm of two minds If you will on this on the one hand, I'm excited because this is all based on real science It could go somewhere and you need companies like kernel and like neural link and maybe more To be working on them to get good minds together cracking the problem If you want this to happen on the other hand a lot Especially because elan musk is involved a lot of the hype is going to be about uh ai's and Implanting and you nobody will have to go to school anymore. You just implant an ai and sure Maybe someday maybe a long time down the road, but that's that's not the near-term development for this So, okay, let's think just for a second about the Uh far-flung future of very far away Do you think this could be The first steps to serious cyborgization Of humanity. Oh It's it's part and parcel with it, right? There's the cyborgization of uh, my eyes are failing Get me some new eyes. Boom put them in, right? And so this this could be sort of the operating system that allows that to happen Because it's like, ah, well, the they send it a little differently than the organic eyes do But my ai can pick that up and translate it for me. No problem, right? Like all kinds of things Become different. Maybe maybe we don't fear ai because we become the ai I mean we we think about cyborgs. We think about replacing body parts with machines But what if it's also You know, are we still ourselves if the majority of our cognition is Artificial like there's some pretty mind-blowing topics in there. Yeah. Yeah, that is Incredibly would you do it would you do it patrick if this became a thing where they're like, hey all the kids are getting the neural lace And they they're smarter and they don't have to type things anymore. You know, there's no more saying Hey assistant, uh out loud. You just think it and you you get all the information you need. Would you would you do it? Well Assuming it was entirely safe health wise I yeah, I think I might if there is I mean There is very little difference in the way I envision it between something like this like thinking hey Assistant or not even having the conversation and and reaching into the population of China boom and then you know, you know So you have some kind of externalized maybe memory bank, but also some kind of And that's where it gets murky and completely science fiction-esque, but thoughts processes or you know, some some Not morality, but some also not just knowledge, but also thoughts. Yeah that are externalized, but I'm not sure how much it it's it how far how many steps removed it is from let's imagine a permanent AR device that gives you a huge amount of information With you speaking the commands in a you know in a way that it would be understood very naturally Well, yeah, it replaces the interface for the AR. That's something I had thought about Like you still need the AR to be able to project Whatever it is into your vision But you don't have to interface there anymore your brain can handle the communication Does it does it though? Does it need the AR and now we're Yeah, maybe it doesn't maybe the neural mesh the neural lace brings the memory or the Could just take the input in your consciousness and you're like oh just like when you're thinking What's the population of China? Oh, of course. It's 1.6 million. No, you're right Maybe there doesn't need to be a lot of external hardware and the the Really interesting thing is between all of those pieces be they External knowledge a la matrix, you know, like the little cartridge you insert and then it Zips it into your mind or the eyes that you're going to replace or the limbs or whatever They're going to need some kind of OS or some kind of You know base to work on And maybe Elon Musk is starting the the basis for that And then we're going to have to demand that he uses standards because seriously like we can't have some kind of Different, you know standards war happening. Is your is your brain proprietary or on an open standard? Yeah, no, that's crazy All right, let's get to some messages of the day because we'd love to hear what you guys think about all this stuff too Heather from South Carolina Clear it says definitely not a robot Uh wrote you and Veronica described amazon storefronts for furniture and appliances And I realized why that concept sounded familiar not to date myself I have a lot of childhood memories of mom and dad its service merchandise looking at a sofa or a blender Or a lamp and so forth that was a way for you to get hands-on experience with something you might be reluctant to order from the catalog It was that showroom store for furniture. It didn't have VR couldn't put it in your house But it's it's yeah, it's basically amazon taking service merchandise and adding VR to it And don wrote in complaining that he was trying to set up two-factor authentication on an apple account when he realized He couldn't because he only uses windows and android apple requires an os device An ios or macOS device to you to get two-factor authentication notifications So if anybody knows a workaround for that if you don't own an ios or macOS device Is there a way to use two-factor authentication apple says they're rolling it out slowly So maybe they just haven't got to the windows people yet But it is a big shortcoming in the two-factor authentication because I know people who use iTunes on windows And they don't own any other apple devices So until recently I used to use two-step authentication, which was a different thing for the apple ecosystem And a few months ago I switched to 2fa And I you're right. I think I do need to have the apple device It says it on the apple support page like you must own One of these devices and they're all ios or macOS devices. There probably isn't a huge amount of people That's small slice. You're right. Yeah, it's I mean, what would you even use your Apple account for if you don't have an ios device? I I I have iTunes and I You know, I love buying music and watching videos on windows laptop, right? I don't want to get stolen and maybe you use, you know The mail service and others through iCloud.com. I yeah, I get that but It's it's yeah, it's a narrow slice Finally greg professor of broadcasting television and film production wrote in and said salut tom patrick etu I can't count the number of times I've learned about something on a dts that I've immediately used in class later today I'll be leading a lecture and discussion on video streaming technology for undergrad tv students The show is part of my daily commute and this morning I stayed in my parked car to listen as you read another j martin's comments regarding h.26 forify I'll be downloading the ad on myself and a hundred canadian tv students will be better informed. Thank you I'm a proud patron of dts and patrick. You should read the next line of this email Fantastic, well, thank you greg uh for that and thank you patrick. Uh, this was a fun topic I can't wait for us both to have our neural laces implanted and then we won't need all this equipment to do the show Oh, it will be we will you know, we won't need all of this equipment But also the listeners won't need their equipment either. We'll just like be more conscious into their How fast will debates happen when you don't need to vocalize your ideas? You can just talk about bandwidth. Yeah I hate arguing that guy's on a slow connection Oh That is we should have spent more time going into that part of the conversation. Yeah, we should um Anyway If you want to follow me you can go to French spin dot com and you will find my shows there. Uh, the Phidias club is one you might enjoy. 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Yeah, I was just thanking him because I asked him for that link I want to prove the security cab but don't have devices that can be updated ios 9. You can steps to step verification Amazing There you go. You can set up to simply below. Oh, that's fantastic hometown rival to for the win Good find that's why I asked that's why I asked the audience It's great. I'm going to write that into tomorrow's show right now Oh, hi ellie Hey ellie gonna help us pick our our title today. You want to pick a title? Yes All right, so the top one is uber is rodin in the state of dead mark Oh, ellie likes it She likes a lot of things amazon's inconvenient store that Okay, will tinder online catch fire Picking your toes. I'd buy that and that and that for a dollar It's a robocop reference Uh, the musk is strong. I knew that one. I was covered. Yeah, I don't know if that's necessarily that This is brain surgery. I kind of like that one. Yeah, this is brain surgery Internet of brains that book The word doesn't fair well in dead mark Go speak to an a Snip snip skip chips. You don't want your brains. Maybe he won is really just a cyber zombie And it's his from the future Yeah, he can only eat cyber brains So he's trying to speed up the whole process He's gonna go hungry before then though, wouldn't he? Oh, maybe it's a fuel efficient model. Yeah, the fuel the thousand year musk Very very very So this is brain surgery, right? Yeah, I kind of think so This in all caps for the is although in in the blog post it won't matter but This is brain surgery Yeah, maybe I'll get you a keytar It's like you get ellie a keytar Well, I have my midi keyboard over here and she's playing with it. She likes Is she musically inclined? She's she dances, but I don't know if that's necessarily musically inclined. Hmm. She musically reclined She's grooving the music Ellie is gonna have neural lace before all of us. Yes. Well, hopefully that secures her You know, honestly, I'm hoping we have replicators by then And then she's going to be complaining about talking to her dad over his slow bandwidth connection I gotta talk to you face to face But all the help is every time I try to talk to you with my neural lace the chat the the conversation keeps dropping out dad Upgrade your connection I mean, it'll be interesting once we move beyond our physical You know Like what if you could just do a brain-to-brain transfer of information? Hey, so we're still live. Yeah, you realize At some point in the future ellie might Get to see this video and be incredibly embarrassed No I have plenty of other embarrassing things. I can okay. This won't be the worst says the proud father Listen being a parent is all about juggling their emotional state All right guys, I'm going to go. All right. Thank you, Patrick. Good show. Thank you very much. Thanks. See bye. Bye Bye chat room. Love you all We're just gonna hang with ellie for a little bit Good Ellie's world. We just live in it She's a very loving child. Yeah, she is she's also real talkative these days Which is great. I just want her to not see words. She can say yellow, but she say yellow yellow Yeah, yeah row and then she's she picked up an apple at the supermarket the other day And say at a pup a pup hole. Oh, okay. Good there. Yeah. Oh, you want to help daddy put on the sock? Yay, you're like a little squire Legally and you're legally exempt for being paid by me. It's awesome From each according to their ability To each because they're your daughter Wait, what is that from teach? I know that's the whole marxism Yeah from each according to their ability to each according to their needs, you know, you know what it is It's because I always confused not confused with my mind. It's sort of blended with the uh infinite diversity In infinite combination. Yeah Well, because you know why I wonder if it's because there's the spark line from the movie The the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one Or the needs of the few or the one Are you a spockist then not a marxist a dr. Spock Dr. Spockist, yeah Me that's pez. I remember when my my mom uh mentioned dr. Spock the first time is when she was pregnant with my younger brother and I I was like, do you mean like I really thought she meant spock like letter Yeah, I thought like letter nemoi Like wrote a children's book or children's got you know a guy to have that's why it used to think it was Like dr. Spock, why do they keep calling him doctor doctors a separate guy on star trek? It's not the doctor. He's commander spock not doctor's And then they showed me a picture and I said wait a minute. That's not the guy So not the guy Watch your language No, I never realized that start Was it as popular in japan as I thought it was Is How you thought it was as popular there as it is here. Well like as it is in europe which is to say that people know Yeah, yeah It's a pretty regular Think star wars has more attraction Star wars We have to play a performance fee now Oh But was that a real song really was it it was a composition somebody composed it I know no one cares what we're saying right now. They're all just looking at ellie play Or listening to ellie ellie's musings Is she gonna have her own show soon? I hope not I think I think part of it is uh, that's a lot of pressure to put on the kid Yeah, that's true unless the audience is mostly of her peers You want her to be a child actor though? You're always saying no a lot more pressure I want her to be in commercials because the uh obligated child actor Is it is I mean is I don't know You're saying you draw the line of commercials because you think that's Less pressure. Yes. All right. I don't think there's You don't want her to become a partridge family charl child act Well, I could travel around in a school bus Granted a modern one was seatbelts None of this. Oh kids could just well supposedly School bus seats are designed so you don't need seatbelts or they think it's kind of bogus but Maybe a do they have seatbelts on on school buses now on the short ones they've had I don't know about the the long ones. Yeah, we never had uh seatbelts We were told we had to stay in our seats Yeah, but they had the they were all padded and they had very they were very tall. Yes. Yeah And kids bounce a lot easier than adults. Yeah, their bones are flexible She can't she's in the middle of a meeting. That's why you're here Oh, there's a rottweiler missing or not missing but uh on the loose In our neighborhood. I just got one of those next door notices I get that would have freaked me out a while back missing a rottweiler. I'd have been like, where's I go? But uh, now I have a border collie and a german shepherd mix, so Right ellie right You don't want a pet right if it's a pet it's going to be a turtle something that lives as long as low maintenance Turtles are more maintenance than you think but Are they certainly easier than dogs or cats? Well, I mean that I don't I don't want like a teeny I think with turtle is you have to be very careful with their diet and their temperature Depending on what and it depends on what kind of turtle you get. What about a tortoise aren't tortoises pretty heat resistant? I don't know Every kid wants a pet the key is how to redirect that desire into something like piano lessons How do you turn up wanting a pet into desire for piano lessons? You let me know if you forgot that trick. Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna show up on a scene on tv Bad weave says ellie's just come up with four amazing show titles, but none of us speak baby. So we'll never know what they are Turtles stink. I don't know if turtles stink I thought the whole point of getting a reptile was that they had a girlfriend in austin who kept a turtle didn't stink I mean not any more than any pet. I mean like if you get if you let the turds sit around Yeah, it's gonna stink. Well. Yeah, and all animals have a smell That's part of pets But I didn't think it was worse. You know probably was smelled less than a dog does I want to play with daddy's you can't really wash a turtle though. You can't give a turtle a bath Yeah, which is great. That's less work for me. Yeah I give her a bath. That's a lot of work. What about fish fish are the easy ones Yeah, but you got to really clean the tank. You really got to maintain the tank That's true with any pet though. You're gonna have to maintain something. I know that's why the tomagotchi or something You're just gonna find her an ibo on ebay, aren't you there's a potato You can bathe it and keep it in bed But when it sprouts it's out of here When it sprouts it scallops Alrighty, I believe I have published this here show I hope you all have enjoyed it But like I'm people in the chat are you saying turtles are a huge like a larger commitment than like a dog No, no, no, no, no, I said they're less of a commitment than a dog or a cat But they're still they're still more to them than you can't just buy them and leave them No, I'm not gonna stick it in the quarter. It's just like I feel like they're more There there's more to them than than there is to fish With fish you like set the tank at the right temperature. You sprinkle food in twice a day and you're kind of done You clean it every once in a while the turtle you have to make sure the heat lamp is at the right level and get them exercise Maybe that was just my girlfriend's turtle. Maybe other turtles are easier Did she take her did she take take hers out for a walk? Yeah The people who are really serious with their turtles will create turtle runs so the turtle can go run walk around on its own and get exercise without escaping Like is it just a giant? This is just a bunch of two. No, it's just like walls. It's like a little maze and then I can just walk You have to have a yard for that though Alrighty, thanks everybody for watching. We'll be back tomorrow with scott johnson Talk to you then Goodbye No, that's