 All right welcome everybody and thanks for joining us on this beautiful beautiful in Puerto Rico anyway Friday evening and to talk about I have to say not one of my favorite topics to talk about a topic I've talked about over and over and over again over the many many years but it seems it's obviously relevant it's obviously an issue it's obviously something that needs to be constantly addressed and what I am finding more and more is is there's this seems to be more and more and more confusion about this and my views are constantly being misrepresented about this topic of Islam what to do about Islam what to do about Muslims how to how to think about it Islamic immigration are we at war are we not at war what about those gang rapes in in England to what extent do they have something to do with Islam in the Muslim world and in Muslims and you know what do you do about all this should we just should should we not allow them in should we kick them out should we condemn all Muslims should we go to war with Islam again all these issues every single one of them I've talked about but since I see so much misrepresentation of what I've said over the years about this issue I feel compelled to to kind of try and address it all at once and give you opportunities to ask questions particularly if you use super chat although you know particularly if you super chat so this is your opportunity to to ask those questions those of you in Facebook move over to YouTube YouTube is where the super chat is and where you can you can ask as many questions as you want now I wasn't very motivated to do this because most of the people who kind of misrepresent my views on Islam and my views on on on the the West's you know war of survival a disrespectful misrepresent my my views and just lie and and and in my view many of them just can't think so that is because they can't think that thinking is nuanced thinking you have to have a lot of what ifs you have to have you have to see differences you can't just lump everything at once you can't have just simplistic answers for everything so I was unmotivated to do that now I did get a long post from Jason Hornbuckle which I thought was respectful recognized the fact and I thought this was particularly respectful recognized the fact that post 9-11 I did a lot of work on this issue and I gave a talk which I think is an important talk I think that anybody who cares about this issue anybody who thinks that this issue is important should listen to it it's my talk on the morality of war you can you can read it in winning the unwinnable war a book edited by Lanjuno and is available on on Amazon it was co-authored with Alex Epstein who I interviewed here so important work has been done I've done and others have done important work on this issue on the whole issue of Islam and the whole issue of the war and the whole issue of terrorism and at least I give Jason credit for knowing that I would also add to that that if you're really interested in this issue I did I did a what was it a five part series on the history of the Middle East which which covers a huge amount of content about this topic huge amount of context so I don't think you can understand what I think about this issue unless you've listened to my history of the Middle East course and thought about it not just listen to it but thought about it and how it applies to the modern times and also I did another four-section course on just the history of Islamic totalitarianism now both of those courses are available as podcasts on bar talk radio itunes stitcher every podcasting app available to man and on YouTube now so there are no excuses if you really are interested in my views on Muslims and Islam go listen to those courses because they're comprehensive they they took hours and hours and hours to present much more than I'm going to do today and and if you really want to understand my view on this issue that's the place to begin and if you really want to understand my view Islam and its evolution over time and what's happened to it and how we got to where we are today how the Middle East how how the whole phenomenon of Islam got to where it is today I can't think of a bit of source than those two courses are and again if you haven't listened to them it's a real loss you should and I think it'll give you a deep understanding of the Middle East the the context of the Middle East and I don't cover the Israeli-Palestinian conflict when I talk about the Middle East I talk about the rise of Islam and its consequences politically militarily terrorism wise to the West and again specifically there's a course on Islamic totalitarianism so let me take that all as a context because and then of course yes somebody Alex mentions I did a lot of a lot of panels with Daniel pipes they some of them not all of them are available on YouTube so just look them up you're on book Daniel pipes I can't think of a better thinker on issues relating to the Middle East and Daniel pipes one of the best thinkers on it they are better thinkers but one of the best thinkers and again a nuanced thinker not a not a not a crazy one size fit all let's let's you know let's condemn everybody and paint everybody with one big brush which is not helpful and it's not thinking that's not thinking so I want to read I want to read Jason's Jason's post it has a lot of things that I think completely misrepresent my view and and Jason I just encourage you to listen back to the podcast you're citing and listen carefully rather than again I think this reflects a superficiality of understanding and listening and take it into the context of everything I've said about Islam not just a sound bite yes on by day I do all these podcasts extra pervainously and to some extent at least I take into account a particular context that many of you have built over time with me and if I say something I expect you to understand that there's a context for it anyway we'll go over this and I'll try to answer all the questions and all the challenges he poses in this post but really and I'll point out where I think he's misrepresenting what I say but I'm also you get to take questions from you and again some of the things I want to cover today is what is Islam is it one thing is there an ideology named Islam and anybody who identifies as a Muslim is therefore associated with that ideology that's the question I want to pose what's the relationship between evaluating a religion like that and evaluating philosophies or ideologies this is equivalent to say you're an advocate of Islam is that the same should you hold it the same as somebody saying I'm an advocate of objectivism or those the same how to evaluate different Muslims and I'll get to the idea that there are such a thing as different Muslims is there a problem of Islam and obviously there is but how big is it how important is it are we at war how do you win the war we're covering a lot today then in the context of this war in the context of this problem how do you deal with immigration in the context of this war and the context of the problem how do you deal with assimilation that is immigrants that are already here do you kick them out you try to assimilate is assimilation even possible and then what do you do about something that Jason raises that the whole gang rape the sex and Islam are the gang rapes a feature of Islam and if so should we condemn all Muslims for these gang rapes or condemn the ideology for the gang rapes or or ban all Muslims from immigrating because of the gang rapes so and then anything else you want to cover and anything else Jason that I missed you can you know Anthony I appreciate the the super chat but let's try to stick to the topic because otherwise it's going to go all over the place there's a ton to cover I hope I think you've got you guys have got a lot of questions about Islam and now the answer to Anthony's question is simple so I'm going to answer it what do you think of James valiant's book creating Christ I haven't read it so I don't have an opinion so you know you're going to have to take that forward that is the truth so I haven't read it so I'm not going to comment on it but really trying to in the in the super chat to ask questions about the topic otherwise we'll never get done with this and and again I see a question here super chat I'm going to give priority to those to a large extent because I have a lot to say even without your questions even without your questions we'll be lucky if we can get done in an hour so so let's get going I want to read you Jason's thing so he says something on but you know he's been finding I've been finding myself feeling very frustrated and angry with things you are saying on the show I just took my comments and questions to one podcast to keep things simple this is a podcast in which you discuss Tommy Robinson in the UK gang UK rape gangs in this podcast you treat the UK rape gangs actions as if they are incidental to the perpetrators being Muslims and not because of it now that's not true so again I would encourage you to listen to that again I I I don't make a big deal as big of a deal as many do out of the fact that the Muslims will get to why in a minute but the I don't connect it to the fact that the Muslims is not true at all I even talk about the fact that the reason they're not being prosecuted the reason that there was silence was because the Muslims and nobody wanted to appear to appear politically incorrect or racist in going after them where is it you also go on to say that they that it is racist to make generalizations about Muslims well it's not racist I doubt I said that because Islam is not a race and that any attempt to do so is a crime against individualism that is true and we'll talk about that you also say that it's wrong to be concerned about a politic politician being Muslim well we'll talk about that too it's it depends what kind of Muslim and it depends what you mean by concern it it it it it's a question of whether the concern should be elevated and right above and beyond a other ideologies that are problematic you know being a Muslim is problematic even being a what I would call a secular Muslim is problematic but is it such a concern that we should know I mean I'm much more worried in politics about Marxist than I about Elizabeth Warren than I about Muslims I just don't think they're a political force that matters the common thread in all these assertions that the Islam is an ideology has no causal efficacy listen listen to my course on the history of the Middle East and on Islamic totalitarianism I mean of course I of course I argue everywhere that Islam is an ideology has causal efficacy but the question is what is Islam as an ideology and we're going to talk about that since when do objectivists think that ideas do not have causal efficacies not this objectivist everything I do is about ideas having causal efficacy is it rational to say that politicians are subscribed to Marxism is likely to have Marxist sympathies and that these beliefs would influence them in office and how is it not legitimate to say the same thing about a Muslim well it depends what it means to say somebody's a Muslim and is it the same as saying somebody is a Marxist I don't know we'll talk about that in a few minutes or an objectivist for that matter again is it equivalent to say those two things is it is it what is the meaning of saying somebody's a Muslim Islam like all other ideologies and religions has an identity does it all right here's the question does Islam have an identity one identity a clear distinct one identity we'll talk about that the sexual assault committed by Muslims to our Europe must have at least something to do with Islam sure but also other things do they not yes they do Islam is a religion that condemns the commands Muslims to publicly subjugate non-Muslims and give them permission to engage in any act of violence or depiction so to do so what does it mean that Islam commands Muslims does that mean it's in the Quran does that mean it's in the teachings it's in the Shura it's in the it's in what what the the Mullahs preach what is all that what does it mean that Islam commands how do you know what Islam commands you read Arabic fluently do you do you listen to to what is said in the mosques you read the Quran okay we can we'll talk about the relation between the Quran and Islam I think that's an interesting relationship but is it a one-on-one relationship is Islam the Quran gives them permission to engage in any act of violence or deception or deception to do so including sexual assault the Quran itself even sanctions sexual slavery of non-Muslims for god's sake so does the Old Testament but we will get to that this makes crimes by Muslims against non-Muslims different in kind and regular sexual crimes maybe maybe not they are different because their purpose is different how do you know that how do you know what their purpose is it depends what motivates the perpetrators and do we know what motivates the perpetrators demoralization followed by ultimate subjugation of non-Muslim peoples to Islam maybe maybe that's the purpose but right you've got you've got a lot of work to prove that one these could even possibly be considered as acts of war or terrorism they could be but again the button of proof is to prove that you mentioned secular Muslims as example of nice friendly Muslims why you do not give a definition of what you would mean by this term I will assume you mean some variant of a person who calls themselves Muslim but does not actually believe or practice the religion of Islam such people exist of course such people are not however beyond judgment as you claim I never claim anybody is beyond judgment never mind people like that I never use the word that people are beyond judgment that's not in my vocabulary we cannot judge them to be possible terrorists but we can't judge them for not having enough moral courage to renounce a vicious ideology that is at war with the west true to not denounce Islam in today's world especially if you don't even believe in it is immoral and well you have to be careful in what you call immoral and what isn't immoral immoral requires evasion it requires a certain understanding of the world it's not obvious to me that everybody as you put it who doesn't denounce Islam is immoral and only functions to aid in a bet that devout Muslims by giving Islam the veneer respectability that's all true this aiding in a betting is evidence in the fact all true and by the way I've said a thousand times this aiding in a betting is evidence in the fact that people continue to support Islamic immigration by pointing to those dishonest Muslims who are not really Muslims all right and yet the existence of secular Muslims does nothing to change the existence of the existence of devout ones of course time and we know that as long as there is a Muslim immigration there will always be a certain percentage that put the Quran first a very large percentage way over 50 percent again proof you have to prove that that it's way over 50 percent that put the Quran first or your interpretation of the Quran or a literal American interpretation of the Quran over 50 percent it's not as high I don't think it's 50 percent aggregate predictions like this are valid I've not heard you discuss any of this acknowledgement that's absolutely not true I discuss it it's on my panels with Daniel pipes it's in my talks in the past it's in my history lessons it's in all of this stuff has been and by the way I've I've I've talked about Islamic immigration over and over again I've actually supported a complete ban on Muslim immigration from the United States and from Europe again you guys don't listen to actually what I say you disagree with me and it shuts you off from what actually is being said okay so here are the two questions he says on what basis do you claim that when judging someone we should not be wary and not take into account the fact that they are Muslim when have I ever ever ever said that I want you to give me a quote and actually quote what I said when judging someone we should not be wary and not take into account the fact that they are Muslim I don't believe I ever said that I mean I'm open to being shown that I was wrong that I said it in some moment of insanity but why would I say I I mean replace Muslim with Christian replace Muslim with Jewish replace Muslim with Marxist replace Muslim with atheists oh well atheists I wouldn't be wary replaced Muslim with leftist I you know if somebody declared themselves Jewish I'm a little wary if somebody declared himself a Christian I'm a little wary of course if somebody declares themselves a Muslim I'm wary and I'm not making a moral equivocation between all those two I'm just saying you're stating you you took the time to write this long statement so I take it that what you say you mean I'd never say something like that if this is true how can we ever judge anybody for upholding ideas at all of course that's right but I never said it okay if the sexual crimes committed by the UK gang rapes has something to do with Islam after all then what possible moral justification can you give for allowing one more Muslim to immigrate to the UK we'll get to that and what is one more Muslim and who is this Muslim and what kind of Muslim is he uh to the UK I say the safety of girls and women in the west is a value that completely overwrites any alleged right of Muslims to cross the border and come from I I agree and that's why I'm forbidding all Catholic particularly Catholic priests from immigrating into the United States because the the the safety of boys in this case and and and girls in the west is more valuable than the right of priests and and I would shut down I would shut down the Catholic Church take the Vatican away from them and and announce that Catholicism and the Catholic Church is closed for business right I might also ask if the attacks of 9-11 had something to do with Islam what possible moral justification could give a line Muslims to immigrate to the United States all right that's a lot right and I know a lot of people have these questions because I see I see people uh going after me constantly on Facebook about these issues misrepresenting my points of view I think I think actually um uh I think Jason has misrepresented them less than what they usually misrepresented so I give them credit at least for that but a lot of his formulations about what I say are just not true so I would challenge anybody to quote me to actually quote me um you know what that means all right um yes I know so Jason says global average of Muslims who believe that Quran is literally true is 70 to 90 percent range I know I've seen those statistics but then ask them what does the Quran mean what does the Quran actually say does their interpretation of the Quran agree with your interpretation of Quran if you asked Muslims around the world if in their view it was okay to sexually molest non-muslim goals and that the Quran says that whether the Quran says that I am willing to guarantee that the number's not 70 to 90 percent I I didn't bring up my survey statistics on the Muslim world but it's interesting yes they they know they're supposed to say that the Quran is literally true I mean a lot of evangelical Christians believe that the Old and New Testament are all literally true how many of them understand what the Old and New Testament actually say how many of them would say yes that's true if you actually position proposition something from those books to them um again don't simplify don't simplify think carefully about what it is you're saying right think carefully about what it is that they are actually advocating think what it is for Muslim in in Bangladesh to say no I don't think the Quran is absolutely true well I mean I I can tell you what happens to Muslims like that in Bangladesh they get some of them find themselves dead so beware beware yeah say to them Lebanese I would never visit Lebanon to cesspool sure but it wasn't a cesspool in the 60s I would have gone to Lebanon in the 60s I would have I wouldn't have mind being in Beirut in 1960s yeah it's a cesspool there's a reason it's a cesspool all right we're gonna back off of all the comments and we're gonna take this step by step and again you want to ask a question super chat it and um and we'll see where we get to okay let's talk about what is Islam which relates to this question about the Quran and this is true of what of any religion what is Christianity what is Judaism is Judaism one thing if somebody says to you I am a Jew what ideologically do you know about him now we'll get to Islam Islam is a little different granted but but I want to make a certain point here what do you know about him even qua his religious beliefs if somebody says to you I'm a Jew how much about his religious beliefs do you know not much for example is he reformed you a conservative Jew an Orthodox Jew an ultra Orthodox Jew the differences just between those four is vast in terms of how they interpret what it means to be a Jew what commandments they follow and what commandments they don't follow it is a huge difference in how they live their lives how they interact without other people and what it meant to be a Jew 30 years ago 40 years ago 50 years ago is different than what it means to be or in Israel is the very different than what it means to be a Jew in America today my grandfather who is not an Orthodox Jew is more of a conservative Jew which is more mild and more moderate than an Orthodox Jew you know and and I'm putting aside the idea of a cultural Jew we're just talking about a religious from a religious perspective forget about cultural right there are lots of cultural Jews who atheists but from religious perspective take religious Jews what does it mean my grandfather was a religious Jew or conservative but a conservative not an Orthodox an ultra Orthodox in spite of that when his sons married non-Jewish women he wrote them off never spoke to them again and you know until luckily a few months before he died he talked to them again and reconcile with them but he took his tribe really really seriously I think barbarically stupidly ridiculously ultra Orthodox Jews the ones who wear black and wear their funny hair and and walk around Brooklyn are barbaric in many of their customs and in the way they treat women certainly you know those Jews every morning they wake up the first prayer out of their mouth is thank god you didn't make me a woman talk about sexism me too all right what kind of a what kind of a what kind of a religion is that so are we going to paint all Jews as sexists and by the way if you gave political power to the ultra Orthodox Jews be aware I guess none of you have ever been on the other side of a rock barrage launched at you by ultra Orthodox Jews because you did drive on a Saturday through the streets of Jerusalem or in my dad's case through the streets of Haifa because he was a doctor on duty going to the hospital and got rocks thrown at his car give those people political power forget about freedom forget about freedom now because they are Jews like that who by the way are moderate as compared to the Jews of the Old Testament where God tells the Jews to take on little girls as sex slaves where God tells the Jews to wipe whole people out women children and beasts so not a seed among them will remain so right listen Jason instead of commenting listen right so what does it mean when somebody says a Jew what does it mean when somebody says I'm a Christian there are hundred different sects are they Catholic are they Protestant which Protestant which evangelical even evangelicals don't agree they have completely different politics they're completely different attitudes the environmentalism to a lot of different things so what does it mean when somebody affiliates is associated with a particular religion now all of the religions are irrational quite rational it's all immoral it's all in a in a 21st century to be religious particularly in the West requires an act of evasion it requires to evade but what does it mean right an objectivist at least because I think partially because the philosophy is young but also you know this is why this is a good point this is why Ein Rand was so insistent that you only refer to objectivism to what she wrote because she didn't want multiple sects of objectivism one day what I'm arguing right now is not objectivism it's to the best of my knowledge the the application of objectivism to this issue but it's not objectivism because Ein Rand didn't write about this issue that only what Ein Rand wrote is objectivism because she didn't want multiple cults of objectivism multiple groups of objectivism multiple whatever objectivism denominations of objectivism so when we talk about objectivism it's a sad thing I mean even Marxism it's hard to tell I mean warning signs go off suddenly but it depends on what kind of Marxist and people today throw it around because it's sexy which is horrible right young people do but yeah you judge people based on the ideas that they hold you suddenly judge them particularly older people but what are those ideas can you just get those ideas from a label can you understand them can you grasp on do you know what they actually stand for just from a label I want to know more if I'm going to judge a person I want to know what it means to them particularly when they're young and particularly if it's something ambiguous like I'm a Jew I'm a Christian I'm a Muslim now again all of that is irrational all of that particularly in the west is immoral but are they an enemy are they a threat is there somebody I should worry about I need to know a lot more than just if they're Muslim if that's the case now again we'll get to immigration I promise I will answer your question Jason although I have already answered that question that's why it's funny that you're asking a super chat question or something that while I was reading your statement actually said I dressed this and you know that's why I said listen people don't listen drives me nuts so I don't know what Islam is Islam is a religion based on a Quran based on the teachings of Muhammad which has certain principles they pray five times a day Mecca and Medina important to them you know you as an adult you you have to go there once and there's a bunch of other prescriptions that involved with Islam but then there were about a thousand different interpretations of every single line in the in a Quran there are multiple schools of interpretations of the Quran that wrote after the publication of the Quran the the the Ottomans did not practice Islam like the like the original Arabs did and the and the the the the Iranians never practiced it exactly like the Arabs or the Ottomans and the Shiites and the Sunnis are different and they only took but that one book that one book differently just like there are sects Protestant sects there are schools within Islam with leaders with teachers with philosophers haven't been philosophers around in a long time they used to be they are different schools of Islam there's a massive university in Egypt which is a school of Islam but the Muslim brotherhood thinks that they are past states because their interpretation of Islam according to the Muslim brotherhood is wrong so do you evaluate all Muslims based on the interpretation of the Muslim brotherhood or do you interpret all Muslims based on Al Qaeda's interpretation or do you evaluate all Muslims based on your interpretation I don't evaluate Muslims based on my interpretation of Islam I evaluate Muslims based on their interpretation of Islam I do not treat I do not treat a Muslim a regular Joe Muslim from Egypt who hated the Muslim brotherhood and will have nothing to do with the Muslim brotherhood but praise five times a day facing Mecca I don't I don't judge him the same as I judge a Muslim brotherhood I don't judge him the same as I judge Al Qaeda I don't judge him the same as I judge Wahhabi he says but the disagreements are not relevant because they all agree that non-Muslims should be educated not true just absolutely not true many of the priests preachers in in the school the largest school in Islamic teaching in the world in Cairo don't think that all non-Muslims should be subjugated the Muslims that I now one of the things that makes me different than a lot of you guys I think is that I grew up with Muslims half my class at the university were Arabs about half of them were Muslims and half of them were Christians many of them were girls in engineering school most of the people who worked for me when I was an engineer in Israel were Arabs Muslims many of them Palestinians from the West Bank I've eaten in their homes I've traded with them I've done business with them I've fought well I haven't fought I fought against them but I fought against them I've actually been in war with Muslims right killed them but I've also had Muslims in my tent during basic training because some Muslims Muslims who pray five times a day facing Mecca Medina actually fighting the Israeli army not many but there are a few what do you make of them what do you make of the fact that the lead FBI investigator one of the lead FBI investigators trying to catch the the the al-Qaeda's al-Qaeda before 9 11 trying to catch them investigating in Yemen and investigating al-Qaeda is a practicing Muslim does he want to subjugate all non-Muslims no he doesn't he wants to live in America and he wants to pray and he finds some solace in his religion now do I think that's stupid do I think that's irrational yes do I think he should be kicked out of the country as an enemy of the United States no does I think that because he pays five times a day and because he reads the Quran and knows it really well because they learn it by heart do I think that is an act of treason against the United States which is what you're implying no context context is everything so you can't make generalized statements like that and you can't just take a survey and say by survey I can judge everybody who claims to be a Muslim that he wants to subjugate me now again I haven't said I've said something about immigration we'll get to that in a minute so none of this is to imply that I support mass immigration to Europe because I know somebody will listen to the first 10 minutes or to say oh you unloves Muslims he you know because that's that's how people who listen to this how do you know that he doesn't want Islam to eventually replace our political system how do you know how I know about everything I ask him now he could be lying but anybody could be lying and I don't take any more than I take and ultra orthodox Jew wearing the black stuff as as necessarily now them I worry up because they are ultra orthodox and they they wear it on their clothing they tell us exactly what they want to do to us it's real like al-Qaeda wearing special clothes but I don't I don't immediately assume every evangelical wants a theocracy although some of them do I don't assume that every Muslim wants to eventually replace my political system I mean I know Muslims who vote Republican I know was the vote Democrat I know I know former Muslims because one of the guys who hounds me on Facebook claims that Muslims are beyond fixing so so there's no point ever talking to one because they're always Muslims and I know Muslims former Muslims who are objectivists I mean one of them has flown in now twice to to to Orkan from from Dubai a number of them have become atheists partially because Ayn Rand and and came to Opa there's a Muhammad who's an objectivist I mean it's that the whole attitude of this is another species that that is irredeemable is is bizarre I take them at their word and I watch them is there any evidence to suggest that the I don't know two to three million Muslims in the United States want to replace the U.S. government with a Caliphate with a with with sharia law no and if you actually if you actually go and do surveys what you'll see is in America as compared to Europe they assimilate fast they might come here with all kind of primitive barbaric ideas and those ideas very quickly very quickly dissipate and go away that they become much more secular that they become much more American as time goes on just like everything else America assimilates them and they've always been questions about these things look there was a huge campaign about JFK don't elect JFK because his real alliance allegiance not alliance his real allegiance is to the Pope it's the Catholic Church not to America now think about that today we would never say oh if you're Catholic you can become president because what you really care but wait when a Jew runs for presidency they will say we can't elect a Jew because it's real allegiance is to Israel not to America that's what the anti-Semite will say but we've always had this because yeah it's complicated to figure out what role religion plays in an individual's life in an individual's mind and not in every individual does religion play the same role the more important religion plays in that individual's mind the more we shouldn't trust them the more we should be where wary of them and certainly if they're Muslim we should be extremely wary of them if they become more and more and more religious especially if the manifestation of that religion is towards kind of the Muslim brotherhood interpretation towards a Islamist interpretation there's a there's a whole interpretation of Islam by the way the Sufism I think it's called right well it's all mystical and they're very eastern in that sense a little bit like Buddhists and it's all about meditation and it's all about ah this this real world is meaningless leave it alone well you see but this is this is Jason think most Nazis would not actually kill Jews either it's not the same thing it's not the same thing Nazism is one form of a you know Nazism is is equivalent to Islamists Nazism is not equivalent to Islam they're no moderate Nazis they are moderate Muslims because of the way they interpret the Quran or the way they they do the Quran you can be a moderate Nazi Nazism is explicit and it's represented by a particular political party by a particular political head that manifests itself in the world in a particular way you cannot equate the two it is stupid not stupid it is unthinking you could equate Islamism with Nazism because Islamism is that particular interpretation of Islam which dominates and that's why I consider the Iranian regime close to a Nazi regime and members who support the Iranian regime as people equivalent to those who support the Nazi regime because it is a theocracy because it is driven by Sharia law because it is completely completely a sub ideology within within Islam yeah the Nazis who that's right the Nazis who want to be away from Jews but don't believe in killing them that's right that's why I don't believe in in what in arresting all Nazis I do believe I don't believe in monitoring all Nazis right because I think most of them are just a bunch of idiots who don't even know what they're talking about right they're all anti-Semites but okay so if they're if they're Nazis today I was thinking you were talking about Nazis in Germany if they're Nazis today yeah there's a Nazi they're Nazi's marches all over the place okay we don't stop them right if they start advocating for killing Jews you put them in jail so again Islam is not one ideology there are vast differences and somebody saying they're Muslim is not or practicing some subset some subset of that ideology does not make them a threat now we'll get we'll get to the fact that we're at war and what do you do when we're at war because there's a certain sense in which it's not our job to differentiate and I accept that and we'll get to that but first listen to what I have to say so you have to you can't evaluate all Muslims the same you just can't you can't evaluate bin Laden as the same as the guy who did construction for me who yes he prayed but he loved Jews he loved doing business with Jews and he didn't want any political power he just wanted to make a living and go home and and put food on the table for his wife and kids and he wanted to basically be left alone and he prayed five times a day and he didn't join PLO and he didn't join Hamas and he and he isn't going to blow himself up because he likes his life too much to blow himself up in a suicide bombing you don't equate the two the same now this is the problem and this is where I sympathize towards Jason and people who agree with Jason they're at war with us and I say they were at war with us purposefully because I don't think we would war with them but they would work with us so do you believe a proper definition of Islam can be given no not there isn't a definition of Islam that Islam is the religion of those who believe in Muhammad and the Quran something like that it's a very very broad definition how do you define Christianity I don't know something like those who believe that Jesus was the son of God and in the New Testament is is is the word of whatever of God or whatever I don't even know if that's an accurate definition of Christianity I have to think about it well but what what no I don't think the Quran what it says what you think it says is relevant what's relevant is how people interpret it how people actually apply it that's what's relevant any more than the New the Old Testament is not relevant is not relevant to how I treat Jews because if I believe that every Jew was going to act based on what was said in the Old Testament then I would want to ban any association from any Jews because the Old Testament is as brutal if not more brutal than the Quran and the Jews are commanded to do things that are as horrific as disgusting as what Muhammad does in the Quran not all Christians believe in original sin not all Christians have the same interpretation of original sin that's why they're millions of sects of Christianity because they don't all agree on almost anything and Jews no two rabbis agree on what the Old Testament says see yes there's a framework in which you can understand them and it's important and the fact that they all believe in God they all believe in a book makes them all irrational and you can judge them quad that but in terms of actually engaging with them actually figuring out what to do with this what to do with them you can't just say because you're a Christian this is what you are I've met Christians who say they don't believe in original sin but they think they're Christians I mean I this is the point I've made a thousand times I'm not a theologian I don't try to tell other people what their religion means I let them tell me what it means to them and I judge them based on that and if it means to them the subjugation of all non-Muslims then they're my enemy and I want to try to shoot them before they shoot me if they tell me yeah I believe Muhammad he was pro-peace you know they ignore all the stuff that was just wartime that's not what it's like today and I want to be an American I love America I believe in free speech I believe in separation of church and state you know I think they're irrational because they believe in in in Muhammad and the Quran but if they believe in the separation of church and state they don't subjugate me hey I could be friendly with such a person yeah details matter details matter matter well those people don't matter what does that even mean right that's a collectivistic statement if you mean a Muslim that person does matter and how you interact with that person matters and when it comes to immigration it matters if you let people in who you're letting in all right this is the context though this is what makes this complicated because in a in a free world in in a world which we were not at war I don't think we'd be debating this but we would war a certain faction with any slum has declared war on us they want to kill us they want to subjugate us they want to rape our women they want to pillage our towns they want to destroy western civilization there is no question about that and I was one of the first to say so after 9 11 today everybody gets it but nobody got it back then I was one of the first to say when are fighting terrorism we're fighting islamic totalitarianism was fighting a certain interpretation of Islam a certain interpretation of the Quran a subset of muslims wanted destroy us and we need to crush them first and that's the context in which this becomes a problem and look anyway that's the context they attacked us they attacked us in 9 11 clearly but they were attacking us before they've really been attacking us since 1979 and uh when our embassy was taken by Ayatollah Khomeini and his thugs in Iran when the first new islamic totalitarian regime was established it inspired islamic totalitarian groups and organizations all over the world and since then they've been at war with us an explicit war now Jason says they've been at war with us and say such a please don't pretend I don't know history right give me a break right go back and listen to my history of the Middle East right go back to listen to my history of totalitarian Islam there's a very big difference so here we are and we're at war with this group this group wants to kill us wants to subjugate us and our leaders refuse to acknowledge that fact our leaders across the west in the united states george bush and everybody else refuse to acknowledge the fact that we're at war refuse to acknowledge the fact that there is an enemy refuse to acknowledge the fact that this enemy is linked to Islam that it's inspired by the Quran that it's inspired by Islamic teachings and as a consequence we go after a secular leader in Iran we go after you know we don't do anything really in in Afghanistan we're still there in spite of the in spite of uh trump increasing troops we continue to lose in afghanistan americans keep to keep dying in afghanistan for nothing we treat south arabia one of the fountain heads of the islamist movement as a friend we do nothing about iran sanctions or something and we pretend there's no problem we allow a million immigrants into europe a million muslim immigrants into europe without any screening without any question without any doubt from a region where we know that at least a certain percentage of them are real nuts a real islamist want to destroy the west so the challenge we face today challenge i face today as a commentator is that the solution to the problem of the fact that we were war with islamists is to go to war with islamists to go to war with the jihadis to kill them to crush them to destroy their infrastructure to devastate the the the source of their funding of their weapons of the ideology crush the Saudis crush the iranians and this all goes away it all goes away because people don't fight for losing ideology it all goes away because nobody's funding their religious schools all over the world it all goes away because the mosques in europe and in asia and everywhere else don't have the money to keep on preaching the hatred that they preach it all goes away because the war hobby ideology is dead it's finished it all goes away because everybody looks at america says whoa these guys are serious these guys are willing to defend themselves these guys actually stand for something and the muslim world would actually look at us and say we want to be like them we're willing to shrug off islam or at least this interpretation of islam and become more like them and there are plenty of historical precedent for this happening but right now we're weak we're pathetic we won't even acknowledge that there's a war we certainly won't fight it we won't kill anybody god forbid without our lawyer's approval we can't waterboard people right we're terrorists who want to kill us we have to treat them as if they're what saints so we're in this or i'm some of us are in this impossible situation i know what should be done i know how to win this war i know how you do it but nobody's doing it so what you want what everybody else is saying is and by the way everything else to me is secondary immigration is secondary assimilation is secondary everything to do with islam and muslims and jihadis is secondary to defeating them to crushing them to eliminating the threat because after you eliminate the threat everything else is is your attitude towards the changes and even when it comes to physical physically defending america banning islamic immigration is not going to safeguard us if they really want to hurt us they will find ways to hurt us i don't know i mean it's just a side story but but this is a true story i just read about it a couple of americans biking in around the world they went on a bike around the world and you know they were treated well everywhere they went in and they were riding through the the the stands in central asia and mostly they were treated very nicely by muslims in these stands but then they were noticed by a group of young men they noticed they were americans and so they purposely took their van turned around and rammed into the bicycles and killed four four bicycle riders two of them americans yeah they're gonna kill us particularly if they think they can get away with it particularly if the american government that was in tajikistan particularly if they can get away with it particularly if the american government won't defend us particularly if the american government won't penalize those who kill americans particularly if the american government does nothing about iran there's nothing about sari arabia these people feel emboldened they can get away with anything and they do so you know so if we don't go to war then every other solution every other remedy is is in my view half-assed so is islam immoral yes it's religion faith is immoral is every muslim evil no some muslims are evil those who advocate for violence those who believe that violence is the way to spread ideas those who believe in subjugation of non-muslims those who believe who can treat women any way they want and can rape them they are evil there are plenty of muslims who don't believe that i mean you know i don't know what the numbers are but you can go you can go to uh yes faith is immoral uh in the world in which we live in today in the 21st century yeah um you can go to uh you can go to malaysia and you can go to indonesia you can go to uh places where they're relatively secular muslims palestinians used to be quite secular um and quite educated quite secular egyptians used to be quite secular and quite quite educated unfortunately they've turned away from that they've all adopted more not all but a significant number of them have become more jihadi over time because of the weakness of the west and because of the weakness our our our inability to defend our own values so let's talk about immigration now i've said i don't know at least five times i can probably document them all first time i remember saying it was in my debate with lenith peacoff he asked me straight out would you ban all muslim immigration to united states and i said yes i've said i would ban muslim immigration to europe several times as long as we're at war i wouldn't ban it forever but as long as we're at war and we haven't won it you don't let the enemy in and it's hard to tell who the enemy is and who the enemy isn't i grant you that now if you could evaluate the muslims and tell these guys are jihadis these guys are not i would let in the ones who are not jihadi i mean where you draw the line i would i would be very very conservative i would i would tend to say no because we're at war and that goes back to your to a nazi question right during world war two you don't allow germans into the u.s unless the german can prove that they're not a nazi or nazi sympathizer okay if you're not you can come in so yeah i you know if a million muslims start walking and entering europe you can't screen them so don't let them in and if you're gonna let them in screen them and if you're gonna i was i was even four when donald trump did his what do you call it muslim the ban on certain countries and he was going to do intensive screening or what are they there was a term for that more more exaggerated screening look i mean jason you're not listening to what i said i said i advocate for banning muslim immigration right i said that not because we're not at war i think we should be a war i think it's a travesty we're not at war i think that's where your energy should be i think that's the most important thing to advocate for i don't think immigration is that important i don't see masses of muslim immigrants coming to america to kill us it's just not happening but yeah i'd be for stopping immigration now even if we don't declare war but it's much more important to declare war and and i don't see anybody advocating for that you guys are so obsessed with immigration it's such an issue for you that i don't believe you that you want to stop muslims from immigrating to america because they're potential terrorists you just want to ban everybody you can who comes from a non- european country from coming to america and you've got an excuse with muslims so i've said like three times on this show today i would ban muslim immigration and you can't even hear that when donald trump passed his extensive screening what was it called i forget what he was an extensive extreme vetting i said absolutely i would do extremely extreme vetting but i said donald trump is not serious donald trump is a joke extreme vetting under donald trump is a joke because he excluded saudi arabia quay dubai algeria morocco egypt countries were actually terrorist come from they were excluded from extreme vetting so i argued at the time go listen to those shows they're on blog talk radio they're on you itunes i argued that if you're gonna do extreme vetting do it for all muslim countries all of them particularly those where we know terrorists have come from like saudi arabia see now they're shifting they're shifting jason shifting and this is the real issue right they pretend this is about jihad they pretend it's about gang rapes they pretend it's about violence but no it's about culture and that's why they don't want mexicans they don't want guatemalans they don't want chinese they don't want anybody who's not european and i'm not saying you should i'm not saying even trump should have a muslim ban he could have done an extreme vetting of all muslim countries at least don't be a hypocrite at least don't don't only do it for those countries that don't put political pressure on you and then go and dance with the king of saudi arabia yeah that that shows you that shows you islamic culture all right i i'm giving up i'm sorry jason but i think i'm giving up on you because you're not listening and you can't listen right well i'm not explaining well somebody tell me if maybe i'm not explaining well all right so i believe muslims if they were extremely vetted to exclude those who believe in sharia in who believe in wanting to change the us to become to become a muslim countries how could they do that there are only two or three million muslims in all of america um if they came in i would have no problem with that i would have no problem with that if we had extremely extreme vetting on all muslims who came in but we don't do that yeah muslims engage you to establish no not islamic i don't know what islamic culture is anymore than i know what islam is what does islamic culture mean which islamic culture the islamic culture of the golden age of islam the islamic culture of iran during the shah the islamic culture of egypt during the king during nasir during the muslim brotherhood is it even islamic culture is it arab culture is it that big of a different culturally between the muslims and arabs between the muslims and the christians in the same country the golden age of islam was bad all right um bad relative to what i'll take it over i'll take it over the darker middle ages of christianity any day and in some ways in terms of respect for ideas i take it over uh you know many periods in human history it means islamic theocracy so if they advocate for islamic theocracy it's easy right there are enemies they're part of the enemy it's a war you don't let the enemy in that's easy but you're not gonna do that nothing's gonna happen until you declare war so stop obsessing about immigration start obsessing about the need to go to war assimilation i believe muslims can assimilate i see no proof that they can't in america all the statistics show that they assimilate quite well they don't assimilate at much of a slower rate than other groups assimilate so i have no problem in a free society for immigration again as long as they're not the enemy as long as we've defeated the enemy we've crushed the enemy we pacified the enemy so no it's it's it's not natural to want to be with your own when you mean your own your skin color and your genetic makeup that is disgusting that sense of your own is a disgusting notion and it's a racist notion and it doesn't belong on my on my wall all right as i said i think there are lots of different types of muslims the certain muslims that have to be killed the certain muslims that have to be excluded from all civilized activity and there are other muslims that one would embrace just like what it would embrace jews and christians and to lump them all in together is is collectivism it's it's to it's to take away the essentials of what it means to judge you judge a human being islam in its islamist jihadist manifestation is the epitome of evil the islam practiced by a lot of muslims i know and have met and have been in their homes is not by the way robert spencer somebody that i've been on stage with that i've discussed ideas with i think he's wrong on certain things i think he is an authority he's not as much of an authority in islam as he thinks he is um he's a good catholic boy and um he's wrong he's wrong about many things about islam um so let's go to the gang rapes because i find it interesting again that while people are saying everything about the gang rapes is caused by islam i don't see anybody saying or very few people saying everything about the child manifestation by priests is about catholicism why not not only that in many ways the the the the what's going on in the catholic church is worse much worse much worse than i mean it's it's horrific to compare but right why is it worse in terms of the affiliation with religion these are priests these are representatives of the religion these are people people trust because of their affiliation with the religion the gang rapists in uh in england are just are just horrible barbaric subhuman people they come from horrific backward primitive cultures inspired they get they rationalize they use islam to rationalize their behavior it's not that they are reading the Quran it's that oh i could go some rape some girls and they go rape girls no they rape girls and they said yeah i remember there's a passage in the Quran that justifies this and that's how they rationalize it to themselves these are evil horrible disgusting people who come from a culture where this is tolerated and that culture is a pakistani culture again i'm not painting all pakistanis like this but there's a subculture within pakistan where this is allowed expected and it's legitimized through religion with the priests they're the religious practitioners they're the people representing the religion in their world the catholic priests do not opposition to their religion really is is catholic is not a religion that you can you can say you're sorry and everything is okay is a not a religion that sanctions to the to the church behaviors that us commoners do not are not allowed to have is a not a religion that forever forever the popes and the cardinals have behaved like monsters and have never been held accountable for their behavior catholicism catholicism is institutionalized this you don't get 301 cases separate peace in one state if this is not part of the religion so it's not written in the book but it's sanctions by the person who talks to god the pope so it's oh that's not part of the religion but it says in the Quran it says in the old testament you know the jews to joshua tells the jews go kill everybody every man woman and child and the soldiers come back and they've got children they brought back the children and joshua says what are you doing i told him i told you to kill them all god said to kill them all and and the jews said yeah well we couldn't kill the kids she said okay kill all the boys you have to kill the boys the girls you can take and make into sex slaves fine god has no problem with that no problem with that sex slaves are not a problem in judeism so do you see jewish pedophiles i'm sure there's some jewish pedophiles who use that as an excuse i know some pedophiles that say hey played on Aristotle slept with young boys i'm sorry i i i can't differentiate i i actually am much more pissed off about the the catholics than i am about the muslims because not that i justify anything i mean you know i'm they should all hang they should all be be be uh uh you know they should all i mean i i i believe that rapists should get the life in prison throw away the keys live on bread and water bread and water but priests to educated they are sophisticated people supposedly uh these muslims are barbarians yes it's horrific and what really made it possible was the police turning a blind eye that's what made it grow to the extent that it did but the police turning a blind eye again is horrific that's who i blame this that's what i think is the most horrific thing is the police turning a blind eye but in the catholic church it was the pope the man who speaks to god turning a blind eye islam treats women as second-class citizens sodas ultra-orthodox jews sodas some you know cults within christianity sodas some sections within the mormon church it's sad it's horrible it's immoral it's evil it's bad if it gets to the point where rights are being violated it's the job of the government to go in and protect the women no matter what the religion is but you know your reading of the quran your interpretation of the quran your understanding of the quran means absolutely nothing it's their interpretation of the quran that means everything and if some people don't interpret the quran as as allowing for raping children then what are you going to do about that you're going to say you're right and they're wrong they're not real muslims you're you understand what what their traditions are maybe i mean okay if you want to be a theologian i'm not right and i'm not saying i'm not saying the jews it's approved for jews to rape little ghosts because there were a lot of commentators in the talmud in every way who say no it's not okay just like there were a lot of mulas and priests in islam who said no it's not okay to rape children but you haven't read those just like most people have not read the talmud now islam is the most primitive of all religions it's the most barbaric of all religions it's the most backwards of all religions because they never had an enlightenment they never went through a rena they went through a renaissance but then they never developed beyond that they actually succumbed as a civilization it collapsed back into barbarism but that doesn't mean that every muslim is a barbarian it doesn't mean that they're not capable of rising above that it means that yeah you should be suspicious of somebody who's a muslim but you should be then questioning what kind of a muslim they are and if they're kind and they're all kinds of muslims that was my point so if you want to know what islam is how do you know what christianity is i i that's what i said i said i i i i can't judge a person based just on the fact that he says he's a christian because i don't know what kind of a christian is i'm fine with quoting the quran i'm either really bad teacher people don't listen if somebody says the quote somebody if i ask somebody what do you take islam to be and they say i take islam to be everyone in the quran is true and raping little girls is good then they deserve a bullet in their forehead i mean the equivalent of they don't deserve they're evil if somebody says to me i'm a muslim and i follow the teaching of i don't know islamic this and that i don't believe that if he would in the quran as literal should be taken literally i think that the teachings of the hadith and the teaching of this and the teaching of that show that islam is actually there's an interpretation of islam that is peaceful then fine then that's his version of islam let him live with it i'm not going to condemn him and tell him you can't call yourself a muslim now i do agree with you on this everybody who is pro-civilization should be anti islamist should be condemning the jihadists and more so than anybody the muslims so if muslims really are anti sharia if muslims really are anti jihad then they must speak louder than anybody else louder than anybody else they should in that sense be held to a higher standard a muslims who says well i don't agree with them but you know i'm not going to say anything against them that's bad and that should be morally condemned so they should be morally condemned for not standing up against the jihadists they should be because it's it's their religion they should be the ones who fight it's their responsibility if they think their religion is something different than what the jihadists claim they should be advocating for it for that and they should be fighting the jihadists there should be a real war in the muslim world between the jihadists and the so-called moderates but i don't rule out the existence of moderates and i don't rule out the possibility of moderates so you judge every individual based on who he is what ideas he actually holds while you can condemn religion quality you can say islam is practiced by most muslims is the most barbaric and primitive of all the religions out there and i i challenge you guys i challenge you guys to go travel go meet some muslims because i don't think i don't think most people know what they're talking about when they talk about islam because they've never all muslims because they've never met a muslims and they haven't studied they they read the quran and they think they know everything but but study what muslims think because it's written about the quran and how they interpret the quran and how they think about the quran not what bin laden says bin laden is one interpretation you should know that too but he's not the only interpretation so as i said i'm fine with extreme vetting i'm a deus to agree this is a uh super chat i'm a i'm a deus to agrees overwhelming with objectivism nevertheless i would be interested in to hear what objectivism argument against deism is you don't have an argument against deism right i don't have an argument against god because god is a meaningless what does deism mean it doesn't mean anything how can i argue against something that's meaningless it's arbitrary does deism mean what you believe in god what is god define god show me evidence of god's existence and then i'll argue against that evidence but if you can't show me evidence then there's nothing to argue about the arbitrary is non-cognitive it has no standing it's not something to be argued against it's arbitrary so you saying your deus is epistemologically equivalent to me saying there's a gremlin under your chair he's an invisible gremlin you can't see him i can't see him either but i know he's there because i just know it you can't have it you can't argue with that what are you gonna say to me no no i can't see him it was funny i was at a conference and uh this this christian spoke before me it was not easy to speak after him um he and he associated everything good in america with christianity capitalism with christian everything was christian and he said this was his proof of god right he said um he said you know people he said i've heard this story once and i think the story's brilliant he says to me he says to people he's on the stage and he says you know people say you can't see god and you can't touch god so god must not exist so how about i ask you this can you see your brain no can you touch your brain no so your brain must not exist wow i could touch my brain i could even see my brain we could cut my skull off we could put it in a mirror and you could see it i mean that was one of the dumbest arguments ever anyway um you have to make an argument for deism for me to to refute i can't prove a negative that's just a basic logical thing i can't prove the gremlins don't exist i can't prove that god doesn't exist all i can say is god what what are you talking about god what show me prove it um so i can only respond to a positive argument oh i'm i'm familiar with the arguments for the existence of god right a god some god you know whether it's an argument for uh you know for where do things come from or why they so orderly all these things but all of those will be refuted by by people much smarter than me so you know listen to sam harris or the hitchhens or or go read the philosophers this goes back a long time a long time there's no need for for me to refute uh the arguments of um uh i don't know of of theists uh they go back hundreds of years when any good book you know there are lots of books out there that do a fantastic job of of debunking uh the the positive arguments for theism of any kind including including theists there's no god so there's nothing to talk about i mean god is not a concept one can relate to that that has any any cognitive meaning all right so bottom line is um while islam in general is the most barbaric and primitive of all religions while more muslims advocate for a call it a fundamentalist approach to islam the jews or christians advocate for a fundamentalist approach to islam to uh judeism or to christianity that does not mean that any particular muslim is a bad person any more than a means than any particular christian is a bad christian now it does mean it in a probabilistic sense but what does not judge individuals probabilistically the problem in the world today is not islamic immigration the problem in the world today is not islamic culture the problem in the world today is the unwillingness of the west to fight a proper war and the left here is to blame for a lot of this but so is the right it is george wheat george bush's weakness it is the weakness of the neocons it is the weakness of those who pretend to stand for america the unwillingness to define their enemy clearly and an unwillingness to crush that enemy their willingness to appease the Saudis to appease anybody yes america has in the west have no self-esteem i believe that the greatest enemy the west has today is not islam i indeed i don't think islam will win i don't think islam has any chance of winning it is so primitive it is so barbaric they will be wiped out in minutes if the west decided to wipe them out the real enemy is the west the real enemy is kanthian philosophy christian morality that is what is killing the west christianity and kanth and until we overcome those two things those two elements christian forgiveness christian love that enemy turn the other cheek love that love that neighbor like yourself christian altruism christian humility christian self-deprecation loaded up with kanth immanuel kanth that combination is killing the west it's killing the west from the left it's killing the west from the right and what we're seeing as a response is more and more racism more and more people caring about the color of their skin and wanting to live with people that all look the same i was fine in israel with everybody being jewish and everybody looking exactly like me until i moved to the u.s and everybody was different and now i live in portu rico where i certainly don't fit in i love it all right so you can't judge a particular person based on some generalization you have made based on reading a few books and the war we're at is not against islam it's not against the religion it's against one interpretation of that religion if it's against islam do we bomb malaysia do we bomb sudan who do we bomb first who do we go to war with i have to find islam islam is somebody who advocates generally for muhammad is the prophet and quran is a holy book but it's not any specific interpretation of the quran and it's not any specifically views and what is written in the quran um you you know so so jason asks if you can't define islam then how can you be sure that muslims who you trust won't actually support sharia in the long run you asked them you you you know how do i know i i know a lot of objectivists who turn racists how do i know that in the long run they won't turn racist how do i know i i know objectivists i had good friends who objectivists who turned to became ultra orthodox jews i don't know what people are gonna do in the long run i don't judge you now based on the risk of you becoming a nut in the long run there are lots of people who are going to become nuts in the long run i'm not afraid of muslims i mean i'm sorry you guys are hysterical hysterical you you're dominated by hysteria you're hysterical in terms of funny i mean you think the world is gonna end because of a bunch of muslims are gonna are gonna shoot up uh you know drive their cars through through crowds i've lived it i've lived through terrorism i know what terrorism does to a culture i know how impotent and pathetic and useless they are i'm not afraid of them i've lived them you think you know you don't know the amount of terrorism you've experienced is nothing we had an equivalent of a 9-11 every couple of weeks in the early 2000s in israel and i'm still not afraid of them what is the large islamic sect that is against establish an islamic state can you name it i can't name it they don't have a name but not everybody in the muslim world particularly not every american muslim i'd say a majority of american muslims against establishing islamic state and when isil isis established itself very few muslims around the world affiliated themselves with them very few so even those who say maybe they want an islamic state when it comes down to the nuts and bolts of it they're not gonna fight with the islamic state they're not gonna acknowledge the islamic state they're not gonna sanction the islamic state because they're not barbarians there isn't a large movement because as i said this is a barbaric primitive religion these are primitive people living in primitive places these are people from the poorest parts of the world and they're not organized they don't have parties they're barely surviving they're barely surviving but you want to annihilate them all because you think they've all been lauded and you can't differentiate you can't differentiate but that's okay i you know we've had enough of this it's a depressing topic right yes and they lie so does every bad person lie there's nothing unique about muslims in terms of lying everybody lies who's a bad guy and who wants to attain bad ends they all lie lying is not unique to muslims it's unique to all evil people and some muslims are evil therefore they lie and it you know and anyway um all right what do we got here oh all right my facebook page has been dominated by the racist uh religionists good always fun to have some of you guys around um let's see i don't know did i have anything else to say anybody else want to ask a question about islam muslims what should be done um i do encourage everybody to go listen to my course on the history of the middle east i think you'll learn a hell of a lot there i've never seen anybody come back to me and said no you're wrong about that course all my course on the history of totalitarian islam where i traced the roots of totalitarian islam back to the quran but then the emergence in the modern form with the rise of the muslim brotherhood in egypt the wahhabis in um in uh south urabia and then splintering off ultimately until qaeda and i i did the course before isis but i predicted isis so i predicted a lot in that course that actually came true i predicted exactly what would happen if you brought um what do you call democracy to the middle east so it was a good course i encourage you to read that i encourage you also to go back and listen to my talks on the morality of war on uh building democracy in the middle east to get a if you're really interested uh that is content there's a lot of hacks out there who pretend to know the history of islam uh that will tell you there was no such thing as a golden age they're full of it it's complete bs um or who uh um you know who tell you all kinds of stories about history that are just nonsense so be careful what you read not everything is equally true um not equally everything is equally valid um why would you ban muslims then if you think there's nothing to worry about that is what i perceive as a contradiction i would ban muslims because we're at war with a sudden sect within islam and because it's very very difficult to differentiate as a state uh the solution is in the while you at war is to ban them now to the extent that you can develop and i think i think these things can be developed extreme vetting processes where you can differentiate between those muslims who are threat and those who are not i would be for that i don't think the u.s. government does it today i don't think they do it under trump i don't i certainly don't think they did before trump but even under trump they're doing extreme vetting for a very very small section of the muslim population who are coming into the country and and from countries who've never had or or rarely have had terrorists whereas saudi arabia has a lot everything again it's unserious the trump administration's approach this is unserious and i've never seen a proposal by anybody by anybody anybody a serious proposal how to deal with the threat of of uh sharia how does the threat of jihad of the threat of islamic domination of the world i've never seen anybody present a serious alternative not a i mean everybody complains about mine but i have never seen an alternative building a wall is not an alternative immigration constraints are not a solution you have to have a comprehensive solution and i think i offered a comprehensive solution in 2002 i mean offering it over and over and over again and nobody's listening including people who think they they're against an islamic state but they haven't offered a solution how to get rid of an islamic state all right um somebody says muslims never go to europe countries where there's no welfare state what european countries have no welfare state every muslim every european country has a welfare state what you really mean is they don't go to countries where the country is not offering immigrants extra welfare that's true but that's not only true of muslims that's true of everybody who's trying to go to europe who's poor is going to go to georgia in sweden because they offer the most you know the best uh the best stuff for an immigrant poland doesn't give you anything if you're an immigrant they still have a welfare state but they don't give you anything or and other eastern europeans are too poor to offer anything so what do you expect immigrants are going to go to where there's money both money in terms of jobs hungry which doesn't allow immigrants in is a poor country barely survives on the you know barely produces anything is quite poor wouldn't survive i mean what does that forget the name of the guy who runs hungry wouldn't survive if not for the european union subsidizing them no immigrant is going to want to stay in hungry they all want to go to germany which is rich where there are lots of jobs and where they give you a check and offer you free housing you know so yeah incentives matter incentives matter japan has uh no migration it also has a dying population a shrinking economy a pathetic future and um japan is horrible and it's horrible that it doesn't allow immigration and it just the fact that people bring up japan just shows me that it's not an issue of islam because it's not like the japanese afraid of muslim immigration the japanese are racists and they don't want non-japanese to be in their country and that's pretty disgusting and should be called out as disgusting and horrific and they're all really really bad economic consequences to that and they're paying those consequences but that has nothing to do with islam it has everything to do with the racism of the japanese of japanese culture all right i am going to wrap it up here now and a half on islam is way too much for me um thank you jason for provoking me into doing this i don't think you're particularly satisfied with my answers but that's okay i'm not here to satisfy you i'm here to tell the truth the truth and i was going to say as i see it but that is the truth based on everything that i know based on the context of my knowledge everything i said today is the truth all right um thanks everybody and uh i know uh hopefully some of you learned something from this i hope many of you enjoyed the show uh if you did and if you think people out there can learn something from the show please share it um please like it please support me uh my ability to do these kind of things by not just by asking questions super chat helps so jason not only asked the question but then supported my answers by asking super chat questions many of you did not you can go to patreon and support me through patreon you can go to paypal paypal dot me slash your own book show and make a one-time contribution uh and you can come on board tomorrow when i am on with amy peak off and we're doing the iran and amy show we will be talking about what are we talking about amy i can't remember i sent you a couple of oh we're talking about um the free speech issue raised by trump's comments about uh the press being the enemy of the people and the response of the press so we'll talk about that some of you will be happy some of you won't be happy with my response and amy's response what is the other i sent you another article amy that was um and i can't remember what it was anyway uh we've got a we've got a bunch of good content to talk about tomorrow that'll be at 2 p.m eastern time 2 p.m eastern time do you want an amy show um i'm hoping we don't do too much on trump we'll do the free speech stuff on trump i'm hoping we we do stuff that's not related to trump as well the other article i sent amy was not about trump but i don't remember what it was you know amy knows and i will find out uh before the show tomorrow oh elizabeth warren yay we're gonna have so much fun with pocahontas we are gonna have a blast with elizabeth warren tomorrow my favorite politician the woman uh that i you know i can't wait for elizabeth warren to run for president it is going to be so much fun uh she is better than bernie sanders she's better than hillary clinton she's almost as entertaining as donald trump um wow this woman is a nutcase and uh and uh an intellectual she's smart she's no dummy so uh yeah i it's great to have elizabeth warren running for president let's take all the the disguises off let's take all the pretents off let's put up a true dishonest ideologically nutty leftist a real leftist fascist let's run somebody like that for president so we're gonna have a blast um we're gonna have a blast tomorrow um yeah and and by the way elizabeth won if you missed it identify as a capitalist she loves capitalism yes we're gonna have a lot to talk about tomorrow amy this is gonna be fun all right thanks everybody i'm gonna go and rest up a little bit get some sleep um you know i work it seems like i will either work or run errands all the time all the time i get i get a little bit of rest from 10 o'clock to midnight when i go to sleep all right i will see you all tomorrow with you on an amy show don't forget to join us don't forget to support patreon um we're really close to 500 really really close to 500 i'd really appreciate if somebody would help us get to 500 before the end of this month it's less than one person 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islam is not going to dictate how you treat other people it would be silly um all right and i'm done with the topic right i've covered it from every angle i've talked about it for now 17 years 16 and a half i'm sick of it it's a it's not a pleasant topic i'm sure to come up oh it appears good news it appears i'm gonna be doing a panel discussion about this topic related to this topic with douglas moey you know douglas moey the british intellectual in london in september me and douglas moey on stage um you know his book is his book about the death of europe i am really looking forward to it um and um it should be really interesting we're going to be talking about who killed western civilization and uh first we have to agree on what western civilization is and douglas moey sharp so i'm gonna go it's me and douglas moey on stage with a moderator and she's really sharp the moderator um claire i forgot her name now uh anyway that should be a great event if you are in london if you're in england you should come on the train in it's going to be on a friday night you can spend the night in london have a weekend there you can even fly in from the us to that event so please come i'll have more information about that within a few days we're just looking for a venue for a hall in which we can host this and then we'll make this final declare it and get the marketing rolling but me and douglas moey we're not debating we're discussing we're discussing we're having a civilized discussion about ideas where we might disagree or might not all right see you guys bye