 seems like an end to the mythical experience, and they seem to be back in the world again, usually with the ego backlash. It's pretty sharp. The ego is terrified of that experience. So the ego experiences that as well? No, but the ego reacts. That's why a lot of times people will go from mythical experiences and try to pierce the veil. And Jesus is saying, well, we need to really question all the underpinnings of the veil. In a sense, you may seem to pierce it, but you don't want to pierce and seem to come back to the illusory world. But if there's something holding you into that world, then you will come back. If you have unquestioned beliefs and assumptions, then you will be there to come back. What is going on with the great yogis that make their transition consciously? They go to a lost position and die in a physical form. And they consciously choose an unable place. That's because it's simple in the sense that everything is a story. And Jesus says that when you come to the place of your clarity and everything, the Holy Spirit will tell you when it's time to lay the body inside you. Nice. Just like everything else. They told that too. So again, Jesus talked about the yogi to this, that a lot of times people will say, well, so and so died of cancer or so and so was a great master, but they got hit by a car at the end or this and that. Again, it's pointless to get out there on the screen. You see how sneaky that is, the ego's like, oh, there we go, fascinating. How does this one go? But again, Jesus just in our mind always says, come back. Come back to your own mind or everything. That's what's the need about this, that you start to see all these delay maneuvers that the ego tries to go through and then you start to not fall for them. Why bother questioning Jesus? So everyone who keeps enlightenment before they cross over into the mind. Well, the good way to say it is there's a place in the work of where Jesus says only salvation can be said to cure. And he says, cure is the word that has many meanings in this world. All the different things would seem to be, oh, we got to cure for polio. Yeah, everybody get happy now. You know, we've cured a disease. Well, Jesus is saying only salvation can be said to cure. You know, that's a pseudo cure if you think that you cured anything with that. So it makes perfect sense. Yeah, salvation, atonement, that's the correction. That's the real cure. So in a sense, it takes it all away from speculating about, even about others. Well, were they enlightened? Weren't they enlightened? Listen to that. It comes down to go for the experience yourself and don't be delayed by speculating about the screen or trying to figure out the screen, and that makes it real simple. It's go for the experience. And that's what we're about. In other words, it's really going for the experience. It's not, you know, trying to fill it down. It's like every time we come together, that's why it's so precious. Really come together and say, let's look at the speaker. Let's throw the stuff on the table and let's have it and fail. So, Linda, was your question really about other people or was your question really about myself? Well, no, I'm just saying something that David said I don't recall exactly. But made me think that when you cross over, it's because you have seen the light, so to speak, or something. Maybe I was just understanding what you said. What is crossover to you? To go from this illusion into the right mind, which I assume could be death for people who physical bodies die at that time. Is that the process of death of the body? It's because people have seen something better and choose to leave. There really isn't any association with the body, in other words, in terms of when they die or when they see the light or whatever. There's no real association. Jesus at the one point, some will see it at the point of death and rise, so to speak. And he says some will find it in this course. Today, in this lesson, that's a lot different. It seems different at the point of death. You mean, here we are right now, today. You can read in the workbook, he's saying, perhaps today. He's not seeing this enormous project. He keeps going through the words. He's saying, perhaps today, you can choose it today. That's close. But this is something everyone ultimately has to choose. And if we don't do it today, then we have to do it in order to join the mind. It seems that way. Again, to me it comes down to, it can seem like, well, either we do it today or we do it in the future. And then you read one of the sections in the text on the immediacy of salvation. And he'll throw you a line like, be not content with future happiness. So it isn't your just reward. And again, it's like just focusing and desiring it. That's the only thing that really can bring the awareness of the holy instance or the atonement. It's just your desire. You don't have to go to X amount of seminars, read X amount of good books, do X amount of good deeds. Some of the things that people have bought, how you get your way back to heaven. If we have our rings diagram, there's nothing in the outer ring. That will bring atonement. There's nothing in the second ring. There's nothing in the thought ring. There's nothing in the belief ring. The bull's eye. It's the bull's eye. The bull's eye, again, is desire. I mean, that's the thing that brings atonement into awareness. And as I was saying, David, that we're already there. It's like we seem to be talking about some place that we have to go to or some place we can cross over. So we're already there. It's the waking up, lifting the veil, or just removing your hands from your eyes and symbolism. We're already there. So really the death is, your life is, is experience of that. And death is not experience of that. It has nothing to do with the body. Is that what you're saying? Every time you put the veil back on. Death is death. A lie. So in, you know, yeah, I think you have another to that. And the ideal is, I guess, to spread it further further. But you're like, okay, consistent. And that's up and down. What, right? Well, again, what we're doing is we're, it's like we're trying to come to an understanding here and go, I got it. Okay. And I'll tell you. You know, you can, you can even use metaphors of escalating and this and that. But what we want to really do now is, is look, look at the beliefs. You know, it can be real tempting to say, I got it. I followed you. Great. Now I have an intellectual understanding of who has an intellectual understanding of, and have I done anything? You see? So that's why when we will come at this, it's like, that's why it's important if you have any kind of thought patterns. Maybe you have swirling like this in no particular order. You know, random, there's, there's the high feathers, medium feathers and the low feathers. And as long as there's categories, then do I have the experience of these moments? No! So that's what we, we want to be practical in that sense. It's a new metaphor. I heard this from people. From the opportunity here. The high feathers, the medium feathers. I don't make stuff. Talk about, look at, examine the high feathers. Or any feathers. Really low. Really low. Roughly your feathers. Seriously, it's kind of the metaphor. I would use for what we were doing today. My lesson was, the peace of God is shining through me now. Oh yeah, if that, if I'm not experiencing that, then why not? That's what I had to do. You know, why not? If I'm not experiencing it right this minute now, what's on my mind? Why not? You know? And so, some of the things that we've discussed is, and a lot of these are loosening. I mean, I come up with things and they're loosening, but they're there is the idea that, think of my children as a projection of my mind. Well, I don't know about that one. There's some high feathers. Okay, let's go of time. You know, I mean, being here is wonderful. I have no time. I don't care if I go to bed at three o'clock in the morning. I don't care if I get up at three o'clock in the afternoon. I don't care if we talk and talk and talk or, you know, there's no time schedule. You know? You probably don't even know what time it is. Nor do I care. And that is joyful. That is a wonderful, peaceful feeling. It's a wonderful, peaceful feeling. I remember just sitting here just for a moment while we were sitting here. And it's like, this joy just came over me. I didn't know what we were doing. It was just like, how is that? What's that? So that's, I think, what is helpful for me. What is it now? It's my journal, but what is it right now that's preventing me from not having that piece right now? And those are the things to examine, you know? And when you said, here, yes, I have this at the time. But if there's even an implication like, but I'm going to go back to something. But. Then that's the buzz we want. Take a look at it. Yeah, we didn't want to take a look at it. What's good, not bad. Exactly. There we are. There's something there that I think like, I'm happy. I'm joyful now. And then even a thought was crossed. I had to take care of it. And that was the thing that pulled me out of that state of being with God. I mean, seriously, it was. And I think I could actually see God across the street. And it said, don't forget to pick up Jessica. I mean, that was it. I was going so far with it. I thought I was going to forget everything here. Yay! There you go. There you go. And then I thought I could do that. That's how we met. And that must be one of my thoughts ever since. You know, that was the fear came. And when it was fear. It was like I forgot to pick up my kids, you know. Or what if I didn't come back to pick up my kids? That's the thing that we could look at a bit would be relationships. I think the other relationships and Mary was starting to, as we were on a walk today, was starting to say that there might be some questions involving about the, what is the whole relationship? What does it involve? And is there any kind of bleeding behind something for the whole relationship? Or is there any kind of? Abdication. Abdication. Responsibility. Oh, they're magic words. Well, that's, you know, I mean, that was the thing. They came up today. What do you, I mean, it was very helpful. What do you feel like you're abdicating something to have that peace? What? Citizenship. I went, ah, that, no, no big deal. I can care less about voting. I know nothing about politics. It's a good time not to get involved. You know, that's not a charge. Okay, you don't have to take that. Now let's look at that. And that's what this looking is about. Just, okay, let's look. And what's the next? Are you abdicating responsibility to your family? Well, way, yeah, we've had this issue about college education. I'm not working. Steve would like my health with the kids. Three kids going to go to college. One next year. I'm not working. You know, ah, a little bit there. We need to look at that, you know, and, um, and I'm still looking at that. It's hallucinating. I mean, that is just not even, I'm not even feeling like I need to analyze this whole thing to the health. I mean, it's just, it's hallucinating. But, why not get peace now? You know, for me, that was just sort of my lesson today all day. Responsibility. In the sense that it seems in this world, once the mind is identified as a person, that there are roles, duties, responsibility tied in with responsibility tied in with those roles. You know, if you seem to have taken on the role of parents, there are seemingly responsibilities that go with that. If you seem to have an employee-employee relationship, whether you're the employee or the employer, there seems to be responsibilities with that. I mentioned citizenship, you know, there are, it can be different forms. It means that we, we try to take it even to the...