 Wel, rydw i'n credu'r gweithio gyfnodd iawn i'r gweithio gwirfodd, rydw i'n credu'r gwirfodd iawn i'r gweithio yn gweld. Rydw i'n gennyddi'r gweithio, ac rydw i'n credu'r gweithio'r cyd-gweithio. Rydw i'n credu'r cyd-gweithio yn gwneud hynny. Dwi'n cynnwysu gael y ddweud, a gwyfodd nhw'n gweithio'r gweithio, oherwydd dyna'n cael ei hwn. Rydw i'n gwneud hynny'n gweld fawr drwpl. ac mae'n meddwl gwaith o'r clwso ac mae'n meddwl gwaith i'r cwestiynau i'r cwestiynau yn ddyn nhw, ac mae'n meddwl i'r cyffredig ar gyfer y taw, felly rwy'n ffordd. Ond yw, yn gwybod, mae'n meddwl gwaith i'r cwestiynau, mae'r cwestiynau ar hyn o'r gwybod ohono i chi'n gofyn. Mae gennym eich lleiol iawn i'r gweithio cyhoedd, felly, rwy'n gweithio ar gyfer y ddweud hynny, ac rwy'n gweithio ar gyfer y ddweud. Rwy'n gweithio ar gyfer y ddweud. Mae'n gynghoru unedig a'r technol ddechrau. Rydyn ni'n aelaf i'r cwrs, rydyn ni'n gofynu'n cerddiad. Rydyn ni'n cerddiad ar y gyrdd yma, ymarfer o'r PhP honno. Rydyn ni'n gofynu'n gyntaf, co-founders of PHP North West, it's a PHP conference in the North West of the UK, in Manchester, and one of the jobs I had was to maintain this site, which is on WordPress. In my year at that company, I was doing some framework reskins, WordPress stuff, TruePulse stuff, it was TruePulse 6, so it was painful, but it was all good fun, because as a student you learn lots of new things and you try different things and you try things at the same time. It was all very exciting to me. For one, I didn't realise there was an industry that paid you to make websites, which is something I've been doing since I was 13, so I had easily taken eight years to realise I could get paid for something I was doing off my own back, which was kind of not fair. But it was all good and dandy, and it was really cool going to this, as part of my intern, I got to go to this conference and it was really cool because I got to meet all the speakers and the attendees, and I kept on going around going, I'm a student, what advice can you give me? What advice would you give your student self? And people were telling me things and all this stuff, and it was really inspiring, super, super inspiring, and so inspiring that when I left the company I went back, and I finished off my degree, it was all good, past, yes. And the funny thing though is I got a sign to build the next version of the PHP Northwest website, which is 2011, and it was the first time that I ever built a website for developers, and it's nothing like building a website, especially a conference website, which is all PHP developers, where they will scrutinise every pixel that's in the wrong place and how the CSS animations didn't work properly, or I just missed a bug in particular browser because I totally forgot to test it on Safari because I was on a Linux machine, and it was a great learning experience. Again, having all these people tell you that your project was amazing, but also that you'd gotten all these little things wrong was really cool. It meant that I was being co-community mentored by all these people. In 2012, when I graduated, I was actually looking for a job, as you do when you graduate, and I actually applied for a company that was doing Drupal, and a company that was doing WordPress, and I had to pick between the two because I got both the job offers. I ended up going with WordPress, and in 2012 I also ended up going to my first WordCamp, so it's the first like CMS centric sub-community event in Edinburgh. Again, it was a community that was lovely and really welcoming to this just graduate person who had gone into a project that was far too big overhead, and it was a sole developer on it, but it was fine. I got to go there and meet someone who had met on the internet who was helping me fix the things that were an issue at work on a forum. To be able to stand in front of that person and say thank you was amazing, just to realise that the person who's been typing on the internet was actually a real human, it was kind of nice. This kind of proceeded in 2013 until 2013 when my partner got a job down south, so we commuted all the way from Manchester down to Reading, which is a really cool place right by London, but Reading, even though nicknamed sometimes the Silicon Valley of the UK, doesn't have many user groups, it didn't have a PHP user group, it didn't have a WordPress user group, it doesn't have a Drupal user group, even though Acria are based there, hint. They had one which is Reading Geeks Night, and another one which is Breaking Borders, which was more for like front-end design-y-y thing, so it wasn't really aimed at me, and then there was like sys-up stuff, there was like this whole bit in the middle that was just missing, and then one thing I learnt over this time is that I'm a community addict, I love meeting new people in the community, I love learning from people, I love just hanging out with people and hearing the stories of how they got to where they are and the journeys and the tries and tribulations that they've had on their way, because every one of us has a different journey, and it's something that I've become really passionate about because I really appreciate the fact that the PHP Northwest community was there for me when I started, that they were welcoming. In 2014 it was my last year of running PHP Northwest as an organizer because we've done self, it's kind of annoying to travel back and forth for a conference and organizing and stuff, so it was my last year, it was really really sad, and it was the first time at a PHP conference where I had found that people were laughing at the word WordPress and it wasn't nice. Before that I had noticed that a lot of WordPress people that I had met didn't really go to PHP conferences and because it was my last PHP conference as an organizer I gave them my word that this was the nicest PHP community that they'll ever meet and I would guarantee them that they would have a good time, and then for those people to turn up to my conference and then listen to Aquino who mentions the word WordPress in a completely acceptable manner, and then the hauntire room laughing, laughing with the joke or laughing at the joke doesn't matter, they were laughing. I actually treated this out straight away, I was heartbroken, I was not even heartbroken really, I was fuming, and people who were at that conference know how fuming I was because at the end of the conference the other organizers got me on stage, gave me a microphone which was such a bad idea and said okay can you make a few words and I was like are you sure you want me to run after today's like stuff and they're like yeah so off I went, and this is actually where this talk comes from because I realized at that moment that is a real problem with the way that in our silo communities we're behaving amongst each other and it's really unfair because like I'm trying my hardest to bring other people in and then you're just making me really upset and it just makes me really sad and more like that person on there. So as part of some research I was doing, I'm not very scientific, I just tweeted out this tweet, doing a very non-scientific research, how do you as the non-word press community perceive the word press community? And I got some good responses from the glimpse I get through the feed, a very large, vibrant, active, passionate group of people or very positive words, fantastic, then you get stuff like this or not good enough to be a real developer, hmm it's a pretty sad response just as someone pointed out and it's even a more sad response when I go to the biggest word camp in the like word press calendar at the time in 2014 which is word camp San Francisco, I speak to one of the core developers of word press and ask them to submit a paper, a cover paper to a PHP conference in the UK and their response was I'm too scared to go they will mock me for being a word press developer. This is a core developer who stands on stage at word press events and talks about Docker and PHP 7 and HHVM and says this is like a really cool way to build your servers and you know tells all the latest stuff yet they are not willing to do the same talk at a PHP conference because they're scared of being mocked, there is a problem there, more sad faces, the mocking of word press by any other community is like watching my parents have a fight every day and my parents used to fight a lot and it's not a nice place to be as a child you don't want your parents fighting as a child of the open source community because that's what I really feel like I am you know I grew as a developer being in the open source community the open source community has given me my ability to be a developer every time I've had a problem even when I was at university during my dissertation I was doing my project and I didn't know how to do something so I asked the community on IRC and someone sent me a library and I was like great I'll just attribute it to you thanks having all these people who I consider my parents fighting is really really bad now I was here yesterday at the community summit and I met a bunch of people who said actually like Drupal get this is a lot too which also makes me really upset because the reality of it is the mocking of any technology by anyone is like watching my parents have a fight every day I don't really see why we have to mock each other or fight about which one's better the fight is not with open source projects it should be against priority software why are we fighting amongst ourselves I don't care if you're doing Drupal, typo 3, Juma, Magento, Wordpress you're doing open source and that's amazing you're sharing the information you know but when we are mocking ourselves amongst each other priority software is just getting off easy software does what we tell it to do or what we teach it to do with today's AI the thing that are fighting are people now it was really cool today because I was in the pre-note if you missed the pre-note totally watch it because it was really funny and they use an old Irish proverb I can't pronounce that but it says two people short on the road that's what it means and the idea is that if you work together you can get further and it's really really true people make the community you are the community so the only thing on you on me on all of us to make a community that we're proud of an open source community the Drupal community has great initiatives that have already been in place for a while the getting off the island thing was amazing the gopish p5 thing back in the day was also really cool that started in the Drupal community the fact that you've taken on symphony framework components and you're having these discussions in an open is really really inspiring to other communities but there is more to be done there is no silver bullet I'll just give you that for free but I do believe that multi-dimensional problems which this is needs a multi-dimensional solution so I've come up with some suggestions um and I would love to hear if anyone else has other suggestions or other things that they're doing to try and bridge these communities and when I talk about bridging communities I'm not saying that you have to go and live in these other communities I'm just saying like go and visit them every so often so first and foremost events I mentioned php north west but php north west the conference also has a user group also named php north west um and it's really cool because I met the this one this one and this one and there are Drupalers I met these three people of php north west Philip Mike and Eli and then this guy here was the guy who interviewed me for the job at the Drupal company that I nearly took and the sole reason I nearly took that job was because I really liked him as an interviewer sole reason I would nearly took that job so my life could be very very different in a different open source community and it's really cool that I met these people these Drupalers at a php event because that was my gateway into the Drupal community when I was doing those Drupal six projects they were the people I asked I was like hey Philip you're a Drupaler how do you do this it's great to have those connections user groups or if you're in the wordpress community we call them meters because yeah we're special um they're great places to meet each other on a monthly basis in your local area and there's loads of them in both communities all over the world there's also Drupal camps in your local area but there's also word camps as well nearly most open source projects have something similar in that in many regions of the world so definitely check it out there's also conferences like this but I think from what I've learnt yesterday was community summits inviting other people other members from other projects into your community summits is a great way to share oh how do you do this what's your solution to that because that was what yesterday was filled with it was for me really interesting to see how Drupal ecosystem is set up but also equally interesting to see what questions people had about wordpress and be able to share my experiences in the wordpress community now I know that going to a word camp is probably not going to be interesting to go to the talks but you might want to like meet the people and see the community firsthand so why don't you volunteer I would love to do more volunteering in other projects and it's one thing that I've decided that I'm going to do more of because yesterday when I came here I started taking pictures and I wanted to know how organisers would do and stuff and running their communities well if you're a volunteer you get to see that first hand you're part of that team so if you want to be interested in bridging those communities in a people manner then volunteer at other events that are open source if you are a community leader you should also be looking at community leadership summit the next one is happening London in about a month's time there's other things that you can do as well documentation I noticed is kind of hard to come by a lot of people mentioned yesterday that there was not many much documentation for Drupal camps and Drupal meetups but wordpress has actually done a lot of work on our word camp documentation this thing is crazy long and pretty much a book on how to run a word camp and all you need to do is replace the word word camp and word press with the word Drupal camp and Drupal and you're probably going to get lots and lots of great resources there so if you're looking for resources ask other communities what resources they have and learn from them now with dates of our events it'd be really cool if we could consider our what when we set our dates um there's a project which is open source and it's run by one person really um called open tech calendar and it's a really great concept but it isn't getting much traction for various reasons um but even without this open source project you should know your local community members and ask them have you got an event community that you're planning could we share dates so that we don't clash or let's put them on weekend after each other so people can fly in for both know things like that make a great idea joint events as well running a joint event with a local user group is really cool Drupal austria did this last year where the security team members from wordpress type of three and Drupal had been talking to each other about the work and it was really interesting to have all those people with all their expertise come together in one location and it was a huge success php.ug is a great place to find your local php user groups and you are a php cms the same way wordpress is so go and have a look at what your newest php user group is there's also something that we did once really coolly in manchester which is um open sprint days um i was talking to mike and he mentioned how the Drupal open sprints always have the same people and i was complaining how the wordpress contribute today which is our word for sprints um basically it was full of newbies and we'd really like to have more people like who are like more mature and like being in the project a bit longer and we're debating how these run so we got together and just went let's just open an open source sprint project and sprint day so we invited anyone who had an open source project to come along we one of us got the food the other one got the venue that's all you really need for sprint tables chairs internet you're good to go um and even the junior community got involved and it was really really cool because when you're on your own and doing a sprint with just your team there's only a certain amount of you there which means that the buzz in the room isn't very high there isn't that like clacking and like the the talking and all the all like the the energy that comes from a large group of people but when you had all these different open source projects come together there was that energy we were working on completely different tables completely different projects yet their energy was feeding into our energy and it was such an inspiration we're i mean talking to Robert who's part of the drew power London group and we're talking about doing these quarterly again but it would be really cool if other projects if other places across the world would do it too because i think it's something that would really really help to bridge the community gap a little bit more also open camps um i went to the first open camp in the UN um back in July and it was basically just full of all these open source projects it's kind of like fosdem in the Europe if you've not been to fosdem that's another one that you should really go to really good fun um but these these events which have multiple different open source projects coming together is something that we all should be like working towards for one it saves venue higher costs so i'm all game for that because that's a lot of pain and when you in doubt about doing a joint event then during the summer have a barbecue barbecue is all a great way to bring people together in a really relaxed manner everyone's not having to say this is better that is better and everyone's there to enjoy and most people i do believe need to eat some food in some manner so a barbecue is a great way to host a group of different people and get them to mingle together maybe do that drew pole bingo that you have downstairs that was a great way to find someone to do different things that'd be a really fun way to have a barbecue if you are courageous and i hope you are then do a field trip go to their user groups and ask people how they solve their problems both drew pole and wordpress has accessibility issues we both have translation issues i bet you will both have security issues and i bet you will both have community issues it's really interesting to hear how other people are doing it so we can say oh would that work for us would that not work for us and discuss those things so we can learn from each other it's also really cool when you invite outside community people to speak at your events like me hello um but i would love to see more of this um both on a local level and on a large scale it brings in new perspectives and one thing for sure in the wordpress community whenever i go somewhere else to speak they always say oh yeah i should be more like that i should go to my local drew pole community because they realize that if i've managed to come here and then not be killed by leaving then it must have must have had a good time and i definitely will be telling them i did because i do believe that sharing your knowledge and sharing your solutions means that everyone can submit to their local community events i mean no one can tell you that your information is wrong when you do go to these other events bring back the knowledge you gain it's one thing to just go to these events but it's another thing to talk about these events that you're going to so one thing that i do do when i go to another projects event is then go back and talk about drew pal con and the community summit i spent two hours yesterday with the community team saying what the drew pal community summit was like and how it all worked because it works differently to the way the wordpress one works and they were like oh that's really interesting two hours it was like 1 am in the morning with the americans it was crazy and another thing try building a side project on another platform is one thing to be looking and listening and hearing about this stuff it's another thing to try it out i installed drew pal a i love it compared to drew pal six that was the last experience i had and so my perception of drew pal six uh drew pal in general was all about drew pal six but when i tried eight i was like got it this is way better i'm grateful that someone was persistent on me trying drew pal eight because otherwise my perception of drew pal would have been wrong it's really important to compare and contrast what's going on today as well as previously and making sure that our perceptions are up to date with the latest versions now i'm not saying that you need every single minor point but every so often maybe once twice a year check it out it's not a bad idea again people are the community so when we're talking about people we need to talk about inclusivity inviting everyone to the party and introducing everyone to everybody it's really hard sometimes you just kind of see someone and you think yeah i know them but i'm not sure and it's kind of scary it's really nice if you notice someone like that to make the first step for them and just introduce people like hi what's your name i'm you look like you want to be introduced to someone i'll do the middle manning and that's a really nice way to bring the community together and make sure that we actually have a community that is talking to each other it's also good to have recognition for things that are not code on the wordpress project we have these little badges we have different teams and if you've been a speaker you get a speaker's badge and then because i'm on the community team i get a community badge as well but depending on what part of the team and what things you have done you get lots and lots of different badges recognize that things are not just about code words are one of the most powerful tools we have let's think about the words we choose when we use when we communicate to each other we're able to choose our words but we're not able to choose the way it affects other people and that's something that we have to be very careful of especially when you are trying to welcome new people because you never know who it is that you're talking to i'm a wordpress engineer when i tell this to people some people are saying uh wordpress so so insecure so blah blah blah and which don't get me wrong i understand but it's not really the right word that i would like use it's not cool to be like belittling other things when people say that to me i'm always i was questioned why why do they have this perception of wordpress and then they tell me the last time they tried wordpress was that like wordpress two points something and it's like you do realize wordpress project is 13 years old it's quite old two point or is um you know a decade ago say why did you say that and it'll be really cool to keep an open mind or even better don't reply to someone with uh your wordpress instead welcome it was really cool yesterday majority of the people got it right when i said wordpress everyone's like oh that's really cool i'm glad you could make it we can learn lots from you and i was like oh okay cool they're not going to like take off my head i'm glad i'm here i'm i feel safe and that's really really important and that's the kind of experience that when i get i'm going to tell other people about diversity is a major thing that a lot of people in tech talk about i'm going to say that diversity has to be part of the plan not an afterthought but i'm also going to talk about diversity of technology the tool choices the opens the operating systems we need to respect people's choices on what they do because they're not on a mac doesn't make them better or worse just makes their choices for whatever reason their choices respecting people's choices doesn't mean that you'd have to agree with it just means being respectful of those choices i did a talk at alterconf a month ago in Dublin just down the road called building an accessible community and there i talked about all the different things that we did at work out in london i would love for you to check out the slides they're at this url which i will link to and it shares lots and lots of stories of how to build an accessible community the gist of the accessible community is that if you want to look at diversity and and therefore include as many people as possible if you make it accessible to as many people as possible then you get a more diverse pool that was the logic behind the idea and work out london was the playground for that idea and the results are on that slide and the ultimate underlying point of it all is make accessibility a first class citizen of your events of your project and people will come now swag one thing that i want to talk about swag with do it right or don't do it at all is as simple as that swag done wrong is not worth the energy the cost of swag done wrong swag done right people talk about for lifetime so instead of pushing all your company's money into swag that's done wrong just do it right or save up and do something special next time when you have a more bigger budget knowledge sharing i mentioned before respecting people's choices and the reason why i say that is because people want to learn they really want to learn i wanted to learn everyone in this event and wants to learn you know more than someone unless and someone else in this room let alone this event when speakers are on stage they're just telling you the experiences that they figured out beforehand there is nothing stopping anyone in this room standing on this stage and sharing their experiences of what they've had that's all i'm doing there's also some really cool things that the drip hole group i've learnt do including mentoring team which they have a mentor orientation right after this talk so if you're thinking about mentors on which i highly recommend go to the mentor orientation it's one way to pass on your knowledge make sure that someone doesn't jump through that pothole that you had to jump through there's also php mentoring as well and if you want to learn something speak up tell your local organisers that you want to learn this subject because a lot of the time local organisers don't know what people want to learn about and therefore just pick things as pick things come through ask questions ask lots of questions no question is too stupid and it's so important this slide i wrote it again no question is too stupid at php north west at the first event i ever went to i asked the question they do a talk on arrays and i asked the question why is array pull and array pop and not array pull and array push and i was a student at the time just in my second year and the whole room went quiet the whole room i was like if i just broke the internet all these professionals have just gone quiet on me this is something oddly wrong with this and they realised that i was looking at arrays horizontally and they should be looking at it vertically but it proves the point no question is too stupid being a newbie like today's prino pointed out they have this open-mindedness attitude towards a project and it's something that we shouldn't be embracing and celebrating so with the attitude i've mentioned a few times welcome don't be an at all and let's leave the door open we can educate new people and all people we can support them when they come in and out of the industry because people come back and forth all the time and we can be mentors no matter how long have you been here if you've been in the Drupal community if you've been in the open source community for more than a day you know more than somebody already we can be cheerleaders for people trying and for people who are doing the work we can also be cheerleaders for people who are thinking about joining our communities because when we're being cheerleaders and they see that we're happy people and welcoming people they want to join us but also be respectful of other people's opinions be empathetic to the fact that you might just not agree with someone and guide them to where discussions are happening and also to a good event and if you're doing this already then amazing please share your experiences work out of London it's going to be happening in march I would love for people in all communities to come and share their experiences there so just to wrap up bridges are not built overnight there is no quick fix of this but brick by brick we can create a two-way dialogue in our sibling communities in our open source community and share the knowledge and experience we have with Docker with my sql with all these other things that we have in common but bridges also need maintenance it's up to us to keep our doors open and the bridge is usable if we don't maintain those bridges those bridges will break apart and that's important that both sides of that bridge are maintained we can improve our open source community one step at a time because multi-dimensional problems need multi-dimensional solutions so I ask you what solutions do you have the Drupal community has a saying come for the community stay come for the code stay for the community but I like to change this a little bit come for the code and stay for the open source community instead go away my a good which I think is thank you in irish I'd like to take any questions thanks for staying and fans for listening they're sorry the microphone is over there and the AV people said you have to go and speak in that microphone so they can take um they can record the questions hey Jenny uh Damian McKenna for the recording can you please switch back to the slide um with the info on the mentoring sessions because they're not on the schedule wickwell meeting for days one is it one o'clock wickle meeting for excellent yes this should be your next point of location so they're on the boss session yeah thank you um I did have two quick questions um so do you have examples of swag done wrong without having to give names or anything but the things that you found that you saw so the easiest example is uh t-shirts um there's nothing no reason why as organisers we can't take um so at work at london we do a thing where we have a chat box which says I understand that t-shirts are not guaranteed but we're taking t-shirt sizes anyway just in case we do do them and then underneath we then have all the sizes possible and then um I have seen other events where they actually put the actual sizing chart because a medium in the US and a medium in the UK are completely two different things um so that's really cool and there's nothing wrong with the organisers then collaborating all that data together and then giving it to sponsors to say this is what we expect if you're doing one at a time so they they know the percentage wise of how many female t-shirts how many male t-shirts of which sizes and which particular sizing chart to expect so they can get better swag because otherwise it's wasted textiles and we've got plenty of that already cool the other question was um have you had an experience with um either a resistance to having events during the week or preference for the weekend ones um I've been to both um Pycon runs kind of like this where it's a long-term one uh I wouldn't say it's usually the issue of time of day um although if you are a event that's trying to bring more people from a different community it's always a good idea to look at what kind of events they have and when so the community would like in the word for us community we're used to things happening during the weekend something during the week usually is kind of hard because you're working so you have to justify it to work so it depends on the kind of people you are going for um but in general like you're not the only people who do things during the week one of the biggest issues when I was talking to like one of my colleagues about coming here because we have a workamp EU which is kind of similar to this and I said oh you should come to Drupalcom because it's their version of work on EU and we could learn a thing or two and they were like 500 pounds is a lot of money um and so that actually was the bigger factor because obviously we would have to fly in and stuff like that and so it's all about cost factor I don't know if we could do a kind of like buddy system where we give like two free tickets to like different open source projects or something to like kind of at least get them to entice to come along or something um but I'm thinking from the top of my head here so I'm all ears for any solution that we can come up with thank you thank you hey um so my question is about um kind of organisers you mentioned there's a couple of events that seem to be specifically around organisers and them sharing their own kind of experience and resources um where is the best place to find out about that information um good question um because of my community addict my twitter feed is basically all organisers telling me when things are going to happen there's various lots and lots of various different spreadsheets that people have tried and there's loads and loads of different like lists um so I tend to just keep my ear on the ground I guess I should be showing this in some form or manner um yeah let's let's come up with a solution for that um yeah but there is one that if you're if you're a user group organiser or a conference organiser one that you should check out is comf comf it's based in the UK was in Bristol last year I don't know if they're doing another one but they that whole thing was talking about it was literally an event for organisers it was so meta it was funny um and it's where everyone shares their pain points of how to sponsor and all this stuff um but yeah I'm I'm more than happy to get around a table and like come up with a solution that like everyone would be happy with cool thank you no problem hi Johnny oh I'm short compared to Mike yeah so am I snapped um I'm Mike Inelo um so there's been talk over the years in the Drupal community and this is kind of a wordpress question for you but or community community question for you about how we can better surface non-code contributions and I saw you had a slide up there of I guess the wordpress uh profile page with a couple of badges yeah I'm not even sure which way I'm going no go the wrong way um we'll get there well while you're frantically yeah carry on so my question is are those badges are they awarded is not the right word are they given to the user or are the user selected given to the user okay and I guess let me hang on a second given to is that the correct way point in it so I guess your question is how do how do users get these badges sure okay um so if you have spoken at any word camp um you're um in the word camp website you you get you get your username gets added to it and then that gets linked to your profile and so it knows that you've been a speaker so you only need to speak once and you'll get the speakers badge if you're on the community team um the community one either you've been an organizer of a word camp and therefore you're on the organizers list on the word camp which you as a team you'd input that information in or you're you're someone like me who works on the community team as a core contribution to the um thing so you get added to the list as well um so the core one which you get which is actually just um two arrow signs um that's the core team one and if you do any patches or even like do a patch and then it gets removed or whatever like there's some way that they use svn to basically pull those out and then make sure that all the usernames have those in there different teams have different rules most of them are you've done something once therefore you get this some of them are not automatic automatic yet um but the meta team which is our kind of mothership that looks after us all is working through making all that automated um the problem with that is some teams want it to be like you do three contributions to translations and then you get the badge so each team makes up the rules and then the meta team builds it um so yeah um it's pretty cool um small game of creation of it some people don't like gamefinding it some people do but it's nice to be recognized for things that are not code related ones because code is easy code you can just get the URLs but even in the code one they're trying to work out how to how to have recognition for people who contribute by raising bug tickets and not only bug tickets but then also testers so how do you recognize testers and curate people and stuff like that so it becomes this really big problem that we haven't got the full answer to but i know that the Drupal community are in discussions of this a similar problem but um pro tip uh work camp europe is hosting the we have our community community summits um bi annually or annually kind of but the next one is going to be in paris june next year i do believe it's june um but yeah one of my plans is to invite some of the Drupal community because i think we're having a lot of the same conversations and even if we go with different solutions having the same having those like you know bouncing off conversations like i was doing with damian and mike just then it's a great way just to spearhead those conversations to see what people are thinking about um so yeah i would love to see some of the Drupal community there and if i have any power over it it will happen all right well no one's behind me so i'm going to keep asking questions yeah go for it so just because i'm lazy um are those badges clickable like if you were to click on like a speaker badge would you see all of the oh i don't think so that would be such a cool thing all right can someone like remind me to to put that as in as a ticket that would be that would make total sense so you'd be click on it then it'll go on to the make the the team of what it is and like how it's to get involved oh that is so cool yes we should do that okay um my list of things to do is getting longer i can see this happening now go on all right so then you know you said whenever someone speaks at a at a word camp um the automatically get the badge so i think that's um but correct me if i'm wrong i'm just kind of confirming this that's a result of the fact that the word camps are kind of their their websites at least are kind of centrally run yes that's correct okay so in the Drupal community we don't have that so that's a bit more of an issue for us where you know camp sites are independently built and run so we don't have that central clearinghouse for that type of data yeah it's it's it's a hard problem to solve based on your um what my understanding of the current Drupal situation is but open source projects are amazing because any person can make a change and so if this is the problem in your community now then the question you should be asking yourself is are you going to allow this be a problem in your community in the future or as a community or are you going to fix this in some manner away maybe there's some o-off way of like using the Drupal.org thing so it's all in the Drupal.org profiles that would be really nice um obviously i don't know how the system's completely set up i'm completely taken from the top of my head but this is what i love about open source communities it's like we can have a conversation and come up with crazy ideas and then basically go which one's going to stick um there is nothing to stop you or anyone in this room or anyone here in the Drupal community or the open source community make that patch and start making that change or even at least start having that discussion all right do we still have more time oh i'm sorry i'll ask one more question then i'll sit down so is it about the badges stuff i've got a point of information actually about that um it's sort of but go ahead okay well it's just to say that um there was a discussion of of the badges back in Drupal.com Amsterdam yeah and that the video for that is probably still up and um it was a proposal by Rachel Lawson uh to use the open badges standard which is a kind of a mozilla standard for maximally distributed badges so you don't have to rely on Drupal.org serving it you don't have to rely on a particular provider um just that talk still up and Rachel is going to be in the mentor orientation next so the slide that was up just now about that so if anyone wanted to talk to her after this they can definitely find her in the next session yeah i mean like one of the things i really like about um wordpress um we call them ticket champions is that we have a group of people who are champion one ticket on the track ticket and basically say what is the status of this how can we remove this and that's literally that only job to keep an eye on that one ticket that is bugging them for the life so if this is something they are passionate about if you can't do the code if you can't have if you don't have the facilities to like physically make it happen one thing you can do is just go so where is this up to because things get forgotten things people forget to talk about it and things get forgotten so something like that is really cool we need people to talk about it make sure that it becomes like important enough to actually get um become a higher priority for the team go for it last question so i'm just curious what is the wordpress community team responsible for what's their purview um the wordpress community team is responsible supporting and distributing our global sponsorship money we have a pool of money um that we use to sponsor um and to give sponsor grants to um work camps across the world when you become a work camp and also to our meetups so we will pay for their meetup.com accounts when they join the official chapter account and also venues when they do a submission to the venue costs it's based on the big mac cost because we believe that we want our community organisers to concentrate on looking after the community rather than running your after sponsorship which is one of the hardest things you have to do so if we can take a little bit of that burning by giving them 20% 60% of their budget and also like any um any excess of that money as well so if you over if you under budget um and then you've got a bit extra it never comes out of an organisers pocket that's kind of the ethos around it um we tell organisers to try not mean that that doesn't mean that they get to like burn through all the money and burn from all the the part the part but it does mean that they have some financial stability um and support there and also in the us we have an insurance for all of the us and north america's work camps so that they are all insured automatically um in the uk we have to buy them ourselves and in different places so we have to do different things um we also distribute swag which includes lanyars stickers and badges um and they get sent to all of them we basically say we know you've got an event coming up would you like some swag they reply back with a snail mail address and a phone number because customs is a pain and and then send all that through um and also we have a support channel open offices where organisers for both meet-up and work camps come together and ask questions sometimes we like other meet-up organisers and other work camp organisers will chime in and say hey we did this for singapore and we did this for bulgaria and we did this for you know oslo um maybe this will work in your local area and then sometimes you know the community says oh i heard about you know the japanese community go out for sushi as one of their meet-up things when that you know people have these issues so there's a centralized community of community organisers and stuff like that um and we also try and support any um events that are happening where people come up with new ideas so um before i even joined the community team i came up with the idea of a contributor day that was a standalone event um not attached to a work camp which is what the original thing was um and said oh the Manchester community is going to do this on our own we don't need like all these fancy things um and i was out of pocket by 200 pounds because of the venue and then someone said how much is this costing you and i was like oh just a venue um actually i should probably get some food too and they were like oh you should get some sponsorships and my solution to get sponsorship was to sell tickets the tickets meant absolutely nothing you didn't need the ticket to go to the event it was just you can buy tickets in a in an orders of 10 pounds to basically pay off and there was a maximum of 20 tickets and i was like if you want to give me my money back this is how you're giving me my money back and it was really really cool it was really simple um but yeah it's like um sometimes i just run off with things and people have to point this out to me um so no things like that the community team were just currently discussing how to expand our financial aid across more events like that because when i was doing that there was no financial aid for like these special events that happened that people are trying to celebrate their community with uh we also do um work out mentoring as well and meet up mentoring as well and we also look after any meetups on workouts that go into disarray so you know when they um go into dormant state um we try and find a new organiser and like find out why things are happening and support those as well we've also had to deal with um political riots and all this other stuff that people get the wrong end of the stick so we help write various legal stuff which is kind of boring but yeah lots and lots of support for our organisers because they are the grass root point of contact and so it's really important that we support those people any other questions sorry i do realise it was a really long answer cool i think it's lunchtime or mentoring time if you're going to be a mentor orientation for the next few days i would love to talk to you all i will be here till tomorrow morning so um please come and find me if you have any other questions thank you so much