 I think a lot of the benefit of social media is that the availability of information changes the landscape immensely. I think it's accelerated the opportunity for new technologies to be introduced to the marketplace. I think there's new streams of funding that can come through for new technologies that are coming to the marketplace. Traditionally, through the IPO process, it was extremely difficult. One particular company in specifics over the last 18 months that we're going to talk about today, we're going to have the CEO, Mr. Thomas Healy of Highly On Holdings, on the channel here. We're going to dive deep into what has unfolded over the last 18 months to be an absolute whirlwind of information through the SPAC craze all the way through 2020. Highly On was able to enter into public markets via the SPAC, via the funding that was made available to accelerate Highly On's technology forward and reach their goal quicker than they could have ever reached without the assistance of public markets. We're going to run through a series of questions that have really evolved over the last 18 months on information that was made available during the SPAC process and information that investors acted upon through the SPAC process and into the actual IPO of Highly On Holdings. What has transpired since then and where we are currently here in the beginning of December 2021, entering into 2022 with what has evolved now in the inception of this young company, marked and vast progress, notable delays as well that have been proposed all during a time of a global pandemic that has put an absolute damper on so many people and so many people's lives and the productivity that's been made so difficult in everybody's lives by this global pandemic and it continues to persist to this day. But at the time of filming this video, we've got the supply chain issues that were identified during the Q3 earnings report as being a real systemic factor in the Highly On's timelines and when product validation and verification could be made and products could be rolled out to the fleet to start to realize the benefits of and the vision of Highly On Holdings to reduce the carbon emissions footprint for each and every one of their customers. So I'd like to welcome Thomas Healy on the channel. Thomas, thank you so much for making your way on the Independent Investor Channel. I know that we have been a staunch advocate over the last 18 months of your company, of your product, of your vision and we've been there lock step, step by step in all of the new appointees to the board, all of the new additions to the management team and we've been focused on the progress that's been made thus far on the company. So Thomas, thank you so much. I'd like to jump into the interview if we could and talk about something that doesn't get talked about very often here and that's insider selling. When the top guy at a company decides to sell shares, they do so for a number of different reasons and in many cases those reasons are absolutely 100% justified and I've had a chance to look at your sales of stock as of late in rather large blocks relative to your overall shareholding, it's really kind of insignificant and there absolutely might be some tax purposes as to why those prearranged sales were put through but what ends up happening is when you have a stock that is at all time lows and you have the goings on at a company from the top guy which the chief executive officer is the top guy continually selling shares and providing that optic to the marketplace, there's no way of spinning it other than that you do not believe in your product. Thomas cared to give some insight on how you wish the market would perceive these stock sayers' sales by insiders at the company. All right, fantastic, hearing nothing. We'll move on to and we'll stay on insider selling actually. I was able to do some research on who was picking up shares of highly unholdings now while institutions have increased their institutional grip on highly unholdings here buying at basically bottom dollar or rock bottom prices. It was interesting to see some of the insiders just over the last 18 months as the SPAC process expired away and the company entered into public markets. How a number of executives or original investors have sold out of the company, they're long gone. Furthermore, those individuals who picked up large blocks of shares, 100 share blocks of shares, they did so at pennies on the dollar. They bought them for nine cents. And so a lot of them put a token amount up to receive blocks of 100 shares only to sell on the open market. And in a lot of cases below the actual IPO price and the implied value of the company of 1.5 billion, which puts about a fair value of the company at around $10 a share. What's interesting to me as well speaking about the optics of those insider sales and the people who were there at the onset to think it better to sell the shares that they had entered into at nine cents as part of the deal and move on and not really share in the vision that highly on has as so many retail investors and institutional investors are doing right now and as we speak the stock sits at an all time low. So where those individuals in very, very specific cases were provided a neon green parachute to parachute nicely out of highly on. We were brought to public markets based on a lot of information that was put forward invested upon, and all the while these folks were leaving through the back door on their sweetheart deals. Thomas care to comment on the structure and what it's meant holistically for the funding that has been made available through public markets to highly on to advance their product. And why it is that you think in those particular cases, those individuals decided to jump ship to leave to leave on a high note, or in all reality sell out of their shares to move on to a better day Thomas care to care to comment. All right, fantastic hearing nothing we'll move on to the next question here. I want to get right into the investor presentation, not the new one, but the old one, the original investor presentation that was made available to investors. This document was scrutinized up and down. A lot of people looked at a lot of the customers that you guys had already been doing business with and still do business with today. So kudos on that. One particular slide in particular which talked about the sales projections into the future I want to get a little bit more into this. And we knew that highly on ran a capital lean structure in that if you could partner with the OEM hubs which will be another question that we talk about here shortly, that you could turn out mass volumes of your product without really having to produce the product to yourself and to a lot of original investors. They looked at the forecast into 2025 capturing you know just a couple percent of the total overall addressable market that highly on was going after potential sales of $2.2 billion margins at that point anticipated to stretch to about 35%, which were sweet enough to look at my question here 18 months after that original investor presentation was rolled out. None of that has come to reality, none of it. It's looking like the projections. There's 100% certainty that you will not meet those sales projections on that. Furthermore, it seems as if there is also question about the merit and credibility of those disclosures that were actually submitted to the SEC at the time of the presentation being released. There was a lot of people that made investment decisions based on those projections. My question to you, Thomas is very, very simple. Where did the projections come from? Did the projections come from an educated guess? Did they come from just a guess? Did they come from hardline data and metrics? Did they come from discussion with industry to understand what was practical and reasonable with regard to your customer needs and what you could realistically deliver into the future? You guys called for in 2025 a production number of around 15,000 hyper truck ERXs. You called for a production amount of 15,000 hybrid EXs. What's transpired over the last 18 months that's really, really difficult to swallow sometimes is the salt pill and understanding that neither one of those two products were in a final state to make those types of projections on an investor presentation that was put forward to get everybody excited about investing in your company. It worked. The stock shot to $58 based on these projections. I'll highly and I'll have no problem grabbing 2% of the total overall addressable market. They don't have to dominate the landscape. If they can just do what is being proposed as anemic numbers, surely in four years from the time of the initial SPAC rollout, they'll be able to realize in some capacity those numbers. What we've learned is that just shy of two years later, those numbers will not be met. And furthermore, there might not be any actual realization of those numbers at any foreseeable time into the future. So my question is based on integrity and merit. When those numbers were rolled out and those projections were made to the investor class out there, was it to be understood that those were just educated guesses at the time? Or were those understood to be projections based on hard line data statistics and analytics drawn from the industry that you're looking to partner with? Alright, fantastic. Hearing nothing, I think that leaves investors open to speculation. Let's move on to the next topic here. The lack of outreach has been appalling. You during the SPAC process were on a number of different social media platforms. You were on CNBC multiple times, actually. It was great to see. You were out there. You actually rang the bell at the New York Stock Exchange, a place that I personally have been to twice. So I probably got you beat there personally in actually going inside the trading floor of the New York Stock Exchange. But it was great to see that outreach, photo shoots and photo ops in front of the New York Stock Exchange with Wegmans. I thought that carried a lot of weight. I thought the formulation of the Innovation Council, the formulation of the board, the culmination of your upper management has just been spot on. It's been absolutely fabulous. One of those things that I give you a lot of credit for is building out the framework of the team, expanding up to 150 employees with the company. My understanding and my direct communication almost very frequently with Louis Baltimore, who's head of investor relations, who does a fabulous job getting information to me as quickly and timely as he can, as busy as he is, does a great, great job. My criticism of the company is the lack of transparency as of late. And after the Q3 earnings report and before there was 45 days of silence. Okay, a 30 day quiet period before earnings is totally understood. And you guys have done a really good job of strategically dropping information that was publicly discernible during that timeframe in previous earnings report. I thought that was really smart. But silence on the line for 45 days before the Q3 earnings report made a lot of investors think that you guys were working on something big. And there was an anticipated buildup in the stock price going into the Q3 earnings. They must be working on something. This idea is revolutionary. It's groundbreaking. A lot of investors feel the same way about your guys' prospects into the future, right? So the buildup was enormous. But to fall on deaf ears the way that it did in the Q3 earnings and the Monet order of 40 hyper truck ERXs fell on deaf ears, because it just wasn't enough to overshadow some of the things that were highlighted during the report. I thought releasing the earnings report at 805 when nobody could make a move after hours based on that report was extremely unprofessional. And it's just not what public markets do. It's not what public companies do in public markets. And it seems to me that the perception is such that you guys did that purposely. And if you care to comment on that, you're certainly welcome to do so. But more so, I think the concern right now is the lack of forward-leaning information. It seemed to dry up. Now, if you're so busy that you're working on changing the world every single day behind the scenes, no problem. Just come out and say that. If you're too busy to go to the expanded facility and take an iPhone shot, no problem. Let me know. I'll fly down on my own dime and do it myself. It's no problem. There's absolutely people out there that are willing to help highly on holdings in their cars. Drive mix game is one of those absolute people that do it. A real truck driver on the ground floor that's actually speaking so highly of your product. That there's people out there that are willing to help. But I think the perception is that silence is the killer. And at all time lows, I don't think there's any way of actually disputing that assessment to the company, even though those presumptions might be off base. And we may understand. So my question with regard to the break from November 9 after the Q3 earnings, it took about three weeks to turn out the Wegmans video, which was fabulous. We need more of that content. But my question is, is to it to a grander perception, are you guys focused on the right stuff? Because if it's going to take three weeks to get a video out on a company that you're supposed to be very, very tight with and lockstep with at the time of filming this video, we've heard nothing almost going on a month after that meeting. No reservation orders, which are non binding and mean absolutely nothing in the eyes of the marketplace, but we've received even nothing of the sort. So we have to make sure that the information that's being pushed forward to would be investors is being made readily available when it's available. And you have a complete department that is in head ahead of investor relations and outreach. And we have heard nothing outside of the Wegmans video through press releases since November 9. Care to comment on the perceived lack of communication on behalf of highly on holdings to the shareholders directly. All right, fantastic just as anticipated no comment on the line we really appreciate your transparency there Thomas. Let's get into the next question here. Where does driving shareholder value fall on your priority list. And what is driving shareholder value mean to you. The shares right now are trading at an all time low. I don't think that that's reflective of the prospects of highly on holdings. I think anybody who's bull a bullish on the company and looking into the future and having some sort of vision as to where you guys could potentially go into the future understands that there is a disconnect between the company perspectives and the stock price now. But up up to now, the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and over and over and over and again, and expecting different results. Okay. And I think as of now, it we've been doing the same thing over and over and over again, and expecting a different result. And the stock is not buying it. Neither is the stock market. Neither is anybody on the Innovation Council I might add. So if we start to align these realities. Is the stock market really that off on where in the eyes of the stock market they see the value proposition in highly on. And where does your job as the CEO to step up and look to defend that shareholder value come into play if at all. Thomas please shareholder value, Thomas. Right. Right. Okay, hearing nothing fantastic we have six bullets left until we get to zero. So hopefully we can use those six bullets that we have left to fire at the stock market, as useful as we can bridging the gap between now ladder 2021 going into 2022 with no projected ramp up of mass scale production at all. And the unknowns about what potential revenue could be garnered into 2022 bridging us to that all all sacred 2023 where we're supposed to have orders that are supposed to be ramping up. And this customer acceptance that we've discussed over the last 18 months, and demand over your product is to somehow come come into fruition and stop being a discussion and more of a reality okay. So, driving show shareholder value. It's one of those things that I discuss a lot with a lot of the CEOs that are willing enough to come on my channel and actually talk about it. It means a lot to the real dollars. You know, there is no real difference between the institutional dollars and the retail dollars that are invested in highly on holdings. You want to know why they're all dollars, and they all own stock in your company. And to provide some sort of transparency to both of those entities, I think is absolutely paramount and I actually would put it number one. If you don't want to have the responsibility of driving shareholder value. No problem. Take the company private. You can take the company private drive the hyper truck ERX that's been paid for through SPAC dollars. All you want no problem. But as a publicly traded entity, you owe it to drive shareholder value and silence on the line is is not a solution. It is not a solution to remedy the stock at an all time price low right now. Okay, next on the list here is industry adoption and OEM. To be honest with you, Thomas, I was one of those investors that did due diligence. I was one of those investors that got into the company prospects. I got into what was proposed through the through the public identifiable information and what was submitted to the SEC through the SPAC process. My interest to the company basically was your business model of using the OEM the OEM hubs specifically to integrate with said OEMs to turn out your product in a way that didn't require you guys to establish yourselves as an OEM yourselves and have to manufacture these products very difficult to do. It takes decades to establish the relationships to get these that you know the right amount of standards that are written into each and every one of these chassis that are rolled off the line. The equipment deals, the deals that are written over time to actually cut into those those those profits and reduce those increase those margins for the OEMs over the years as they establish those relationships which is really difficult to do. So the amazing idea was to partner with some of these OEMs. There's been some interesting developments with regard to your relationships with some of the original stakeholders. Dana specifically, and I'd like to understand a little bit more about Dana's involvement in. Are they just friends of yours? Are they in? The highly on vision anymore? Are they completely cut out of the vision altogether? And where does Peter built fit in this as what I deemed to be the only OEM that you have right now to be able to accept mass scale orders now? If in fact we get these supply chain issues taken care of sooner than later, you guys are just wagging out there that it's going to be 12 months. It could be eight. It could be six. Are you prepared to start to accept a windfall of orders and run it through what I perceive to be the one OEM relationship that you have and it seems to be a very, very good one. Don't lose it. Seems like that's the only one you have. But some of the other OEM manufacturers, Volvo, Freightliner, some of the other ones. Where is the progress in discussion with these OEMs? Is the expectation to win over customers and then have that customer demand of their specific OEMs drive the demand in directly for highly on? Where is the progress with regard to the OEM hubs, which I haven't heard you mentioned since the Q2 earnings report in 2021? Thomas, care to care to comment on the progress that we're making with the OEMs and the OEM hubs vision for mass scale up of the highly on solution. All right. Fantastic hearing nothing. We'll continue to speculate on that front. Next item is product validation. And I really want to coin this to what we have on the books right now. To my count, 1590 impressive reservation order book. That order book has sporadically evolved over the last 18 months of the company, starting off right out of the gate with a home run. A home run. Okay. Right out of the gate, you get a thousand agility orders, which there was a submission to the SEC, which actually relinquished all agilities responsibilities to honor any of that initial 1000 hyper truck ERX order commitment that they made. And I think at the time there was so much positive sentiment around the stock that people actually chalked up that as positive, just like they have given you the benefit of the doubt up till now on the company. In that look, we want to make sure that other companies have a fair shake at this. In other words, we need to make sure that the companies have a chance to validate said product and that there's something there that they don't like that they have the opportunity to walk away. In other words, your company's solution should stand on its own, and it should sell itself. They shouldn't be stuck with a binding preorder that they can't get out of if they find that the product is not what they signed up to commit to. Okay. My question now, Thomas at the end of 2021 here has that order specifically the agility order died on the vine. Is it still just as credible the day that it was inked. Has there been any progress toward solidifying any of those initial reservation order books to letters of intent. And I say that because if on the onset, before the hyper truck ERX was even validated, and before the EX hybrid was revamped on market time I might add. Has, has there been a significant change in agility's eyes having inked that preorder so long ago. And I say that because the excitement around the hyper truck ERX is not really dwindle that's been made a parent by the last Monet order that has come through on the books. And so there's interest around the product we know that. It's only a non binding preorder in other words there has been no announced letters of intent, which your competition is actually selling trucks right now, which is an interesting contrast between you guys saying that it's going to be 12 months. And it we're not going to be able to sell a truck until then but you've got your competition out there, actually delivering both highs on and Nicola are both delivering Tesla has just solidified and delivered. And, and, and solidified that order for 100 trucks with Pepsi, which is an interesting one right under your nose because your CFO used to work for them. And I think that interesting how the value proposition on paper with highly on seems to blow the competition right out of the water but in reality, these folks over here eating your lunch with binding orders that came up over the last couple years. And now companies are feeling like they've got the green light to go with stepping into either an all electric future, or an electrified future using the solution that you guys bring to bear. But I think the interest for a lot of investors is surrounding what we took at face value, many, many times over the stock at an all time low has us now questioning the merits of each of those proposals that were made publicly discernible at the time of the back. Okay, a lot of interest garnered around the idea. A lot of hype, to be honest with you, went into this, and when a thousand hyper truck order comes on the onset. It seems to imply that orders that are going to come into the future are going to actually continue. And we're going to continue to win those hyper truck orders which at the time again we're not we're binding. And have since come off as non binding so it should be a lot easier for companies to electively put their, their, their reservations forward in a non binding fashion, and basically just solidify their position in the queue. This is why I don't understand why Wegmans didn't ink the deal, right then and there, at the very least, at the very least a reservation of 100 er x's they could have thrown that out and had no legal obligation at all to fulfill that order where we are as of now Thomas do you care to update us on the progress that's being made to Wegmans. All right, fantastic hearing nothing I can expect that that order is actually in the works right now and that you just can't talk about that on an interview during a social media presence totally understand that will be standing by for future progress on the Well, which seemed to be a slam dunk when you guys went up there and talked about providing your solution to them, and having provided the solution to them previously through your CNG hybrid product product validation is a big one we've thrown out a couple of numbers and this was again identified in the investor presentation from hell. You guys don't make that available through your website that you can find it open source on Google I saved it actually the day that it came out. So I would have that information to fall back on just in case the highly unlikely occurrence was that highly unholdings could not meet the projections that were made forward to investors in those presentations. 120 on the CNG side. We'll talk about that a little bit more when we talk about the competition on the landscape and seeming seemingly there was a report or a concern on the q3 that the Commons natural gas engine was somehow going to eliminate altogether the hybrid EX product that you guys have spent an enormous amount of time and money on validating and putting to marketplace and then two months later, basically putting your tail between your legs and and cowering into a corner to competition that a lot of people in industry are telling me they're it's unvalidated. In other words, there's no way that a natural gas truck can supplement that 120 of horsepower that you guys contend that you can absolutely provide to the fleets case in point get more logistics they're doing it right now. There's no better product validation than having the hybrid unit running frack sands in the in the on the sandy roads in south Texas for debt more logistics and providing that bottom dollar benefit to the horsepower side of the house in in in assistance of the typical lack of horsepower in CNG units. Okay, the next is the 30% fuel savings. We've failed to provide any type of ground truthing of the 30% hybrid savings. The hybrid units were rolled out through three companies up in the northwest, mild home. There was never any statistics released, except for they liked the product. They liked the product. That's a nice way of saying, thank you for allowing us to use your product free of charge, but we're not interested. That's what it means in the business world. Now, if it truly provided them 30% fuel savings, which that number has gone all over the place, it's gone from 30% all the way down to 6% I've heard. So what is it? Is it just an interesting green box that's being put on the tractor itself, only to provide 6% on the minimum to challenging terrains out there? Or is it the 30% that was originally disclosed to investors as being the fuel savings? Okay, the short seller report that came out challenged the notion of this. And at the time, we just over blew it and said no way. There's no way that they would lie to us about the hybrid EX's potential on the diesel side for fuel savings. There's no way there's no way there's no way. Now, I'm not saying there isn't a way or there is a way. But right now with the stock at an all time low, everything is getting scrutinized with regard to the credibility and the merit of those said projections back then. And I've seen nothing in defense of those of those particulars and potentials of those products from highly on holdings since then care to offer any granularity around the 1000 miles that the hyper truck ERX is supposed to get the hybrid diesel and the hybrid C and G on their potentials and how you guys have been able to internally validate that you guys can hit the numbers. All right, very well hearing nothing. Thank you will be standing by for that information there on product validation. Got an interesting and a serious question. This is one from my own personal archive, Thomas was highly on holdings ready to go to public markets. Do you think that highly on came to public markets too soon. Was your product. Was it disclosed to investors as being more ready than it actually was before you came to public markets. Now see obviously for my viewers Thomas Healy doesn't have the opportunity to respond to this. The difficulty in a lot of these questions that I am asking Thomas Healy right now, I would not ask him in person, because the political correctness right now in the marketplace is enough to make me puke. Okay, it really is. These are not off the wall questions. These are not was this was the SPAC process a lottery ticket for Thomas Healy as disclosed. Thomas Healy wins the SPAC lottery by bringing his his company to public markets, only to continue with spending that money on verification product development being subject to supply chain issues only to further delay. What could have been avoided in the first place by coming to markets a little bit later after they were ready. But that's not how it was pitched to investors at all. It was pitched to mean that the opportunity opened up the SEC allowed it which I don't think they should have ever allowed this debacle to unfold. Too many people got hurt by it. And there was opportunity to provided companies that I think that they shouldn't have been provided opportunity if you want to go traditional IPO. No problem. But highly on holdings got into the public markets via the SPAC process, and we are looking for 2022 as really being that stop gap and bridge between what is now an all time low stock price in the highly on stock price, as compared to what is going on at the companies, producing a carbon free vision for the future and becoming better for the planet by partnering with some of the largest institutions out there that are also lockstep in this mission. Okay. The next is integrity and credibility in when the stock price goes down to all time lows, they start to question the integrity and the credibility of the company. So I want to ask you just start right outright is is is highly on a credible company, Thomas. Fair enough hearing none. I did actually ask this question of Lewis Baltimore and he gave me a fantastic answer he said you know the mood at highly on is positive it's good it's a great place to work. People love working there. I've heard actually from the debt mar CEO that the highly on headquarters in in Austin is a state of the art facility. It's fantastic. Right. And I think it's unfortunate that as a publicly traded company all too often the stock gets judged based on the company and or the company in this case gets judged by the stock. And at all time lows you're probably incurring scrutiny that no human being on this earth should be subjected to, but at the same time you are a publicly traded company. And when we start to look at the credibility of the information that was disclosed through the roadmap through commercialization and mass scale ramp up into 2024 and 2025 with numbers that I question, whether or not those were just educated guesses, or they were from credible metrics drawn up from the industry that you are sworn to serve. And that is your customers and entering into the public forum, I would say shareholders as well. You are charged to to align yourself with that and taking the high road in all cases, which is in line with some of your company governance and company objectives and goals and vision for the future I might add. Okay, but the integrity and credibility starts to be called into question when we start to look at those investor presentations and some of the milestones are met yes. But at the same time, when you see orders of agility show up on the original, and you see that same order on the books, some 18 months later, the perception is that it's dying on the vine. And that the credibility and the impact that I had on the onset to get you through the SPAC process is now not holding as much water in the public markets, obviously, because the stock market is calling BS. They're basically calling BS on the on the highly on orders that have came through. Now I don't know what type of behind the scenes agreements happened. The Sultan Zariq the CEO of agility has always been a staunch advocate of highly on holdings from the very beginning. And they have deep pockets. The ability to just wag out there 1000 hyper truck order to make it look good, because highly on presumed that they would incur scrutiny for not having any sales. Well, there you go. That supplemented the ability of highly on to win sales when when it was actually awarded at the time to garner that much more interest in the the opportunity and to soften any scrutiny that they may have to as to the interest in the product. They can point to that 1000 orders and be like, man, this is getting us off the launching pad right here. They've been able to garner said orders since then and they've all gone down since then 250 300 from Depmar 250 from A and G, and this last one from this is a non binding reservation order from an existing customers. If this is the best that we can possibly do. It's very, very difficult to make the value proposition to shareholders out there to say that the credit credibility and the merit of highly on holdings is just as high now as it was then. Thomas, what am I getting wrong in that assessment right now in the marketplace. And please assure our shareholders to understand that the goings on behind the walls of highly on are a lot like Lewis would suggest that it's a wonderful place to work and you guys are absolutely marching toward that vision of changing the future. All right, fantastic hearing nothing will be stuck with making those presumptions on our own and monitoring the stock price as it absolutely is reflecting of what is going on in highly on holdings as the hype has dissolved away and the actual results are coming into question whether or not you can meet your milestones that were previously projected to investors in the past. All right. Do we run the risk of being delisted. It was a big deal when you were added to the Russell 2000 and the Russell 1000 was a big deal. When you came to public markets, it was a big deal trading on the New York stock exchange big deal. Do we run the risk of becoming delisted. Like I said, we have six bullets left to fire away until we're on the pink sheets. So, acting with a sense of urgency right now would probably be in everybody's best interest, the silence on the line, coupled with a lack of acknowledgement to the investor community that you are charged with serving really only really only just accelerate exacerbates the situation now in what we're looking at with people actually questioning whether or not you guys can continue to survive in the marketplace. It's fairly obvious that there are interested parties out there. The short sellers have been on you like vultures since the beginning, and you have been provided no said protection from those short sellers short interest back up to about 24% at the time of shooting this video. My question is, are you allowing your company to become delisted or even worse at the expense of these pressures in the marketplace. Did you not adequately forecast that those pressures would be put on the company on the onset. And furthermore, what is what is your what is your posture at this point in combating that pressure that is being openly put on the company. And the questions of whether or not you guys can actually survive 2022 with no real projected sales until 2023 or beyond, because of some sort of winter validation that could have happened before with your existing unit on the company. Furthermore, I would add that these certifications and validations are not being mentioned by any of your competitors. They're not being mentioned. They're not being mentioned as a primary focus. All they're focused on is selling trucks and generating revenue. That's it, which quite honestly, if you could refocus your vision instead of making a well laid and produced video from Wegmans. Perhaps maybe the focus does need to change and maybe you guys are right trying to redefine insanity at this point by doing the same thing over and over again. For me personally as a shareholder, I don't I don't sense any type of urgency on your part. And that's why I asked the question that I do. Do you have the potential of being delisted and or will highly on holding survive as a company with what we know now and what we know about where you're going into the future. Thomas. Fantastic hearing nothing. We'll move on to our final comment here. And this has a lot to do with what was said about competition and the hybrid EX product that I was super excited about. I did a lot of research. I was skeptical at the beginning and I came around to understanding that this could be a phenomenal solution for existing fleets out there. The companies as specific as Wegmans are relying on to haul goods, but they have not been able to supplement for the lack of horsepower that is generated by the CNG engine on board. That's why you came up guys came out with the solution. And I was super disappointed. This was the most disappointing part of the earnings call. I didn't even think it needed to be there. There are certain things that do not need to be disclosed to shareholders who cares about the competition. Furthermore, why would you name the competition as something that needs to be monitored in the landscape and allow the marketplace to perceive that to mean that the hybrid EX is dead on arrival. The company had just turned out that hybrid product not two months before and made it available to customers out there. And you took minutes out of an earnings report on Q3 that you knew was going to be detrimental to the stock and to the company and to the timelines and projections going forward. And you mentioned a company in a light that basically put them on a pedestal and that you guys needed to yield to the competition and just let Cummins go ahead and just grab all the market share in the market in supplementing for the lack of horsepower. They are going after the same market that we were going after. Therefore, we have to cease to exist. I don't understand that approach at all. I don't understand. You have to be more competitive than that. You can't just acknowledge and say, yeah, it's unverified and we will be monitoring it into the future. But there's truck drivers that are coming back saying, no, that's not right. Cummins is just saying that to put out a more reliable and a more engine into the marketplace that is traditionally able to offer more horsepower than they've historically been able to offer to the marketplace. That's all. It doesn't mean that Hylian's hybrid has to go away. It doesn't mean that because you talk to a few customers that are only existed in the hyper truck ERX that nobody else in the marketplace is interested in the hybrid EX product. It doesn't mean that and it absolutely shoots confidence. It absolutely quells any type of momentum that you've built up. It absolutely questions where it is that you guys are putting your money into research and development because you guys spend a fortune of many, many roadmiles validating the EX product. And what I as a shareholder want to see in the marketplace is fight, fight. I don't understand where the lack of sense of urgency comes from. I don't get it. You need to be fighting right now because sooner or later you're going to wake up and you're not going to have a company in a lot of different forms or fashions. You're going to drive sentiment so low that the institutions are going to start to jump ship. You think it's painful now? Wait till institutions start to drop you after you're delisted from the major indexes, right? And I don't sense that there's any type of urgency that is being placed on the situation right now in putting out what a lot of investors, not myself included, are considering to be a dumpster fire. And furthermore, it seems like the solution as of now is to go silent on the line. And silence is probably exacerbating the situation and probably allowing so much speculation to happen to where the truth is being so misconstrued by the goings on behind the scenes at Hylian. And it was all preventable. All of it. It was all preventable. Thomas, I'd like to thank you for coming on the channel and conducting this interview. I've been asking for the interview for about 12 months now. There was no money involved with this. You guys spent 17 million last quarter on research and development. Where has it got you? Where was it spent? What are some of the strategic initiatives that you're looking to get out of that? And you just came on and you probably talked to thousands and thousands and thousands of investors in your company that has faith in the vision, just like they did from the beginning, all the way up until the time of filming this video. All we want to see is transparency and communication. We understand that there are things out of your control. We understand that you're a brand new company. We understand that product verification of validation takes time. We understand a lot more than retail investors are given credit for understanding. There's no doubt about it. But there's a statement to throw a bone every now and then. And to come on the channel with the independent investor channel who's put out 32 videos on Hylian, all free. All because of something genuine other than money, which is what drives the dialogue many, many of the times. I understand the Wegmans video had to be polished. That's not what investors are looking for. Investors are looking for some insight on how Hylian aims to separate itself from the industry, separate it, not compete with. We know there's going to be competition, but we're not investing in the competition. We're investing in Hylian holdings based on the vision, based on the lean business plan, based on the projections, although delayed. Yes. And questioned on this interview. It has been put forward. We're there with you. And I think coming on means a lot to investors. Keep up the good work, Thomas, behind the scenes. Keep on driving that vision. Don't be a stranger to the channel. You're welcome here anytime. Really appreciate you taking these well, well planned 60 minutes and coming on and offering some transparency on some very, very difficult questions. On the goings on at a very, very young 18 month old Hylian holdings. Thomas, thank you so much. All the best to you. Happy holidays. And we'll be following your company intimately into 2022. Thank you so much. Really appreciate you. So fantastic. I'd love to thank Thomas Healy. I'd love to thank Lewis for arranging that fantastic. I'm a bull. Like, I don't give a shit what barriers you put in front of me, man, I will bull right through them. Okay. Now investor relations is actually in ignored my emails. Lewis is the only one man. And I sense frustration in his tone with me as well. And it's all justified. All right. But it gives no reason at all to wear investor, which I am one and relations garners a non response from investor relations. Okay, there's one other point to contact on there. I will not name by name my ask of you if you've stayed with me for the totality of this video is to take and share attached to an email investor relations at highly on. It's IR at highly on.com very, very simple. If you care in this initiative, I've done everything I can possibly do in my power to garner up the right amount of conversation. I've already sent out a tweet on Twitter on Twitter on highly on behalf. I've made a personal initiative to help in any capacity that I can to try to educate to try to get the word out on highly on holdings and the opportunity that exists there in and I will not sit by as an investor with relations with the company and be ignored. I will not do that. So I will continue to press until highly on holdings realizes that they are involved in a situation that requires a sense of urgency. It's just that simple. It requires a sense of urgency. And I spend a lot of my personal time. And I don't work for highly on. I have about six other jobs in my life. This is just one of them that I do for free. I do for free. And to acknowledge an open invitation of highly on holdings to have Thomas Healy, or any of the other executives on the channel. I've invited Lewis Baltimore on the channel. And I suppose that that is an open invitation. I have invited Matt Detmar on to try to provide some level of understanding of this product and understanding why the initial projections that were made on the company do have merit. They do have credibility. This solution does work when put into the rigor of over the road class eight long haul trucking. It works. So come on and explain it then. There's a lot of my time explaining what it is that I see with the vision of this company. But sometimes I question whether or not you guys have a strong a vision of your own company that that I do as a shareholder. Guys, if you appreciate the information you want to make sure and subscribe to the channel. My ask of you is to become part of the movement. Email investor relations very very simple. Copy this. Share it with them. Do whatever you've got to do to bring them into the the sense of urgency camp because they need to start being more transparent with what's going on. I don't care if they film the parking lot at this point. I don't care. At this point if they filmed the parking lot at highly on holdings. The stock would probably go up two or 3% because the marketplace is bone dry bone dry with thirst on it needing information and it seems like the solution as far as the last two months have been concerned has been providing zero transparency to shareholders and I'm not talking about the Wegmans video and I'm not talking about the earnings report. I'm talking about direct communications from investor relations to let investors know what is going on behind the scenes. Leave your comments. Share the video with any highly on investors out there that you know need to have this information in their hands. Guys, thank you so much for tuning into the totality of this Thomas Healy interview exclusive on the independent investor channel. Guys, good luck in your investment future.