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And again, we give away stuff all of the time. By the way, this episode is phenomenal. One of my favorite episodes. You're gonna have a lot of fun listening to it. One more thing, we are running a sale. So Maps Prime, Maps Prime Pro and the Prime Bundle are all 50% off right now. Go check them out. Go to mapsfitnessproducts.com. Just use the code June Prime with no space for the discount. All right, enjoy this podcast. Wait, did you send flowers to Brooke too? Cause I saw her post something about it. Her birthday, yeah. Oh wow. Yeah, yeah. Oh, it's nice. Yeah, yeah, no. I mean, this is why I was really excited. I mean, I don't, we don't seem to be getting the same response from our audiences as I was hoping for, but I mean, I like it because- You're such a thoughtless guys listening to the podcast. Yeah, but you get- Come on guys, step it up. Send some flowers to somebody. Yeah, come on. Make somebody feel good today. And you guys love your wives? What's going on out there? Jesus, man. Doesn't have to be a birthday or holiday to send your wife some flowers. Send some to your wife, send some to your girlfriend, doesn't matter. Yeah, man, it's got so, but anyways, yeah, I've, and they're super reasonable, man. I mean, you can, you can go cheap or you can go over the top and there's candy and other little package stuff. So yeah, anyways, I sent that over. It was her birthday, you know that? I was gonna send flowers. You win points, Adam. I know you like them. I do. Yeah, I should send Adam some flowers. Kind of a flower guy. Yeah, I put a nice note on there. Hey. You're my flower. I have something for you guys, so. What happened? How often do you guys, you know, watch something or you read something and you feel like really bad, like something maybe you've been saying for a long time and you don't know the whole like backstory to- Well, there's just one time I was walking on the sidewalk and there's a guy like standing and he was looking right at me and he didn't move out of my way. And so I just bumped him because I'm like whatever. And then he turned out to be blind. I felt terrible. That's a true story. Oh, man. That's a true story. That's a true story, dude. I was walking, he was looking right at me and I'm like, what an asshole. Move out of my way. You shouldered him? Yeah, I shouldered him. He kind of stumbled. He shouldered a blind guy. Hey, he stumbled. Bro, hey. And I go, what are you, blind? He goes, yes I am. He's like, yes I am blind. And I was like, oh, I'm so sorry. You are, that hurts me a little bit. Can you get out of hell for that one? I don't know, man. How many Hell Marys do you have to do? You're past purgatory. You're going to have to. It felt really bad. Really, really bad. OK, well, that's like nothing compared to how I felt. This was, I felt a little bad, but not like that bad. All right, all right. You want to know what I felt bad about. So I was watching, I think it's called 90s pop or this is pop. I saw it. You saw it? On Netflix. Hell of good. So good. I watched the one on Boyz II Men. Which was excellent. ABC, BBD. Oh, yeah. They were East Coast family. They were pretty amazing. Kind of sad story, though. What kind of happened to them when it exploded with NSYNC in 98 degrees and everybody else? Because they really were the ones that were the first ones. They created that. Yeah. And they were good ones. They were superior singers. Yeah. They were way better. But, you know. And Black Sheep was. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was the other one, huh? But then, you know, NSYNC came out, Backstreet Boys, and what's the other one? 98 degrees. Which one had Justin Timberlake? NSYNC. Is that NSYNC? How do you know? I mean, I watched the documentary. He was really into Britney Spears, you know, by proxy there. Yeah, I remember I told you I didn't like Justin Timberlake because he was dating my girl. Dude, remember when his hair looked like top ramen? Remember that? Yeah. It just looked like a bunch of top ramen. So I heard him. Top corn kernels. One of the, I think, 98 degrees guy. Forget his name. Nick Lachey? Maybe, I think. The guy that was married to, Justin Timberlake. What is happening right now? I don't know that much. You guys have so much pop reference. I'm so proud of you. Well, mine's just because I just watched it or whatever. But there was a name for the blonde in the front. He said it. I never heard it before. Lance Bass. I said something like blonde roots or snow. No, no, no, no. Corn. He made fun of himself. Yeah, he was. But I didn't know there was a name for that. So anyways, back to why I feel guilty or we should feel guilty, especially you guys. Because you guys, especially you assholes. How often do you guys shit on the whole auto tune thing, right? Like hardcore. I'll make a statement right now. It sucks and you're not a musician if you use auto tune. You are terrible. OK, so there's where you should feel bad a little bit. I did that on purpose. Well, I mean, you guys have both of said this. I'm a sociopath. I don't feel bad. So you can try. I'll stamp this on me. OK, so first of all, let's do the back story on auto tune. Do you guys know the back story? How it was created? Everything kind of cool. Well, I mean, synthesizers have been around for a long time. No, no, auto tune. The software just corrects the pitch. So when you're singing, like it kind of gets you in range. Not what it is. Cocksuckers. What? How did it come to be? Whoa, you guys know the back story on how it came to be? No, of course not. I'm a historian. I'm assuming you're someone invented it. Well, you watch your fucking documentary know so much. But then you just throw it out. Bad stories. This is what I hate it when you learn something. You come in like an asshole. I would out with it with your exclusive knowledge. That's a welcome to my shoes, guy. Oh, Zahra of auto tune. This is what it feels like to be your co-host all the time. Looking guy. Always talking in certainties. Let me tell you how I'm an expert because I memorized this article. All right, anyways, what is it? So the guy, the bajillionaire who came up with it. So he's a total like math nerd guy. I forget the name of his job title, but he's the one who goes in and finds oil and they do it by blowing up dynamite. And then the sound waves will tell them if it's if it's if there's areas of pockets of oil. Yeah, like refracts off of it and by the sound of the way the sound changes, they know if there's oil or not there. Technology, by the way, and absolutely brilliant because I didn't understand how that worked. And so he geeked out on the math of that on the and the ability to manipulate and change sound based off of that. And so he basically reverse engineered that for singers. And it's been around for quite some time. I don't feel bad yet. Well, get there. Let me set the table. Wait a minute. I'm not prepared over here. About a good story unless it's at the table. So he does all this, right? So he creates this this auto tune. And by the way, it's been used for quite some time now. But the way people originally used it is not the way that ever really probably bothered one of you guys. Like Cher would use it for one little thing in a song. Or if you have, you believe in love after love. That one right there. Right. So I could use some right there. There's the singers that, you know, they will sing them. I don't know, is it a melody? Is that the right with a single whole melody? And then if there's one thing, there's like a little pitch off and then they they would manipulate it with the auto tune. So it just be a tiny fraction of the song. They do in the studio when they do post production. Ninety nine point nine percent of the population has no idea or could never be able to tell where it's at. The person who you guys don't like is the person who made it popular to use it throughout the song. And as like, obviously, not like he was just trying to all in the front. Yeah. Yeah. T-Pain. So T-Pain becomes famous for being this guy who who uses the whole song in auto in auto tune. And the research, by the way, for him to get to to figure out what software was using it to do. You know that that wasn't like a common knowledge that was so because it was like cheating. The music industry didn't come out. They don't want to reveal that. In fact, they lied about the whole share one. So they were they were asked in like a very popular article or whatever like that or interview. Did share use this, you know, software to manipulate that auto tune with that. And they denied it to try and play it off like it was really her voice. Weird. The music industry lied. Yeah. Strange. So it's so anyway, so he uses it now. He becomes incredibly famous for this because there it still appeals to a bunch of people. Sure, sounds good. Now, he had an app for it. I remember I even downloaded it because it's just fun to use. Now, he now he is like, you guys would like, I like, OK, up into this point, I really don't know anything about T-Pain. So this is my knowledge in T-Pain is like this our documentary. Like I didn't like I just assumed like you guys did some asshole who hacked the system, figured out auto tune, probably a terrible singer. And it's just it's kind of not like that at all. Actually, he was very fascinated by the technology and the uniqueness of being able to manipulate that and wanted to create something creative. And and he wanted to separate himself from anybody else. And this was a way to do that. And so he started to do all the songs and it and it took off. Now, here's a part that I felt really bad about was he went through actually depression for quite some time. He there was he talks about when the rise of his career hanging out with usher and usher pretty much walked over to him and said, you ruin the music. And you ruin music because of your abuse of the auto tune. And he said it just totally crushed him because his intentions weren't to cheat the system. In fact, you don't find out till way later. The guy actually has a fucking pretty killer voice. Yeah, he did that tiny little desk thing on that one channel on YouTube. You guys ever seen that before? No. Oh, you've never seen tiny little desk? You've seen it before. I don't remember. It's popular right now. It's a YouTube thing. I believe I want to say BBC does it. Are you familiar, Doug, with Tiny Little Desk? Yeah, I think it's called Tiny Little Desk. It's on YouTube. Tiny Little Desk himself. And it's they they sing. It's tiny little computer. They sing with no instruments. It's just them doing what you call a cappella. Yeah. So he and he sings on there and it's everybody is like blown away. I've seen Lady Gaga do something like that. It was just amazing. Almost every big singer has gone on Tiny Little Desk. It's probably what it was. So you feel bad because you got depressed? Yeah, and I feel bad because he is an artist just in a different way. It's because it's new. And then the whole thing sets the table for all different genres of music. And when it's new, people are so... Always. This happens. Yeah. I mean, we synthesizers in general too. Like there's like purists out there, musician-wise, those shit on any kind of new technology or, you know, ways that they... Electric guitar was shit on. Yeah. So, I mean, that's just a common thing. So yeah, it's... I'm just being... When you do something new, like you're gonna get haters. Well, I'm just being an old guy, you know? Do you guys know there was a huge controversy when photography came out and people were saying that it was art? People who painted had a big problem with this. They're like, that's not art. You guys are just taking pictures. So it's always been that way. And that's my point. He actually really changed the game when it came... And everybody said it would be a fad. Oh, you were here and then no one's gonna do it again. And like here he is, everybody uses it. It's just a matter of how much they use it. It's all about if you enjoy hearing the sound. That's really what it all... That's why I think at some point... And his record sales obviously prove that. And that's why I think at some point, AI is gonna make music that is gonna crush any human... Well, I don't use... It's gonna figure us out. Yeah, I don't use pop music as a benchmark for anything. Anyway, they can do whatever the fuck they want. They can have it over there. Yeah. Like if you're a music purist and like... You should be able to do whatever, like acapella, or like if you do have a good voice, that's where you display it. Hold on, aren't you like a huge Michael Jackson fan? Yeah, I love them, dude. He's the king of pop. I know, but again, there's a few of the pop guys where I'm just like, dude, dancing, singing. Yeah. Like he, I mean, he had the full, like everything perfect. Like he was about perfection. There's nobody even touches Michael. So like, you name somebody that's even close. Well, I tell you what, after watching that documentary, I am unbelievably impressed with it. He totally touches him, but he touches him. Yeah. Anyway, he's like... Oh, wow. Damn it. Wow. I haven't let you know that. Boys them in, man. How's that one? You know, after watching that and what they did when they did it, talk about the foresight. Well, what was brilliant about them that I didn't even consider was at the time, you had R&B acts, but the way that they dressed and presented themselves was a little bit urban. And so there wasn't a lot of crossover, right? They would top the urban charts, but wouldn't really do well on the other, the pop charts and stuff like that. Boys to Man comes out. And do you remember how they used to dress? Yeah, suit and ties, though. Yeah, bow ties. And they presented themselves totally different and that was on purpose to give them crossover appeal. And do you guys, I didn't know this until I watched it. They broke all those records. They broke Elvis Presley's number one, like how long Elvis Presley was number one for? They broke it with, I think it was End of the Road. Yeah, it was like a 14-week run that Elvis had and they broke it. And they broke it again with their own. End of the Road was in every dance. I hate it. Well, it was overplayed. Every eighth grade graduation. Yeah, eighth grade, everything. Like everywhere you went, there was End of the Road. They were so talented, though. Super. So talented, brilliant to do that when they did it. Like nobody even thought to really do it like that. Now, how crazy is their fall, though? Because they were literally at the top of the world. It's actually really sad because... And then all of a sudden, this is what they talk about in the show, they were at the top of the world crushing the charts. Then come in these other boy bands, like we said, and Sink, Backstreet Boys, whatever. Literally the year after, they were at a club and they barely filled it with 50 people. This was in a year. Wow. This is why celebrities lose their mind because the rise and fall is so crazy, especially if you're a kid. If you're... It's funny, as I was watching another one about the... They called it what they call it, the Stockholm something. Yeah, they're a Swedish influence. Yeah, because I didn't realize that a tremendous amount of the pop music that's popular, that's written, comes out of Sweden. Their writers and producers come out of there and like Britney Spears and a lot of these boy bands. Was Abba the Swedish? Yeah, Abba came out of there. So a major force. They were actually the original band that they based, all these producers based, all the rest off of, was Abba. Can I just say something right now? Abba's amazing, I just wanna say that. Yeah, well a lot of them, they didn't even... They didn't understand what they were singing, like in English, but they just sang it perfectly. It became a huge hit here in the States. Well, you know what they hacked, right? So you normally write, or correct me just if I'm wrong, you normally write the lyrics and then you play something to it, right? They did the music and the lyrics had to fit. That's right. Yeah, it depends. So here's an example. That's the hack. Yes, and here's an example, right? So one of the most famous Britney Spears songs, right? Hit Me Baby One More Time. What the lyrics said were, hit me up again, Baby One More Time, but they had to change it to Hit Me Baby One More Time to fit the music. And they had to change the title of the song because record stores and stuff were like, hit me, hit me. Hit me, what does that mean? What the hell is this abuse? So it literally changed to Baby One More Time. But that's why it didn't make sense, the lyric. And a lot of those, and Ava is an example of why, some people are like, they don't like it because the lyrics don't always make sense, but the lyrics were made to fit in the... By the way, as I'm watching this with Jessica, boy, does your perception change as you get older, right? I mean, Britney Spears came out in what? Late 90s, early 2000s. So I'm like 18, 19 years old and I'm watching these music videos and I'm like, oh, this is so cool. Now I'm a father, I have a teenage son, a daughter who's about to turn into a teenager. And I'm watching this music video of this high school girl dancing with this little skirt doing her thing and I'm watching it and I'm like, disgusted. I can't believe. Oh, see, now that's funny. These little kids are dancing this way. That's funny, you saw it that way. Because what I saw when I remember, there was so much, do you remember the controversy that was around that? I do, but you know, when you're a teenager watching, you don't think twice about it. She's like the wholesome next door. That's half of what blew her up was the controversy around that, oh my God, this little 17 or however old she was at that time, girl dancing with a mini skirt on. But when I looked at it, I go like, I remember how bad supposedly that was back then. I go, oh my God, the kids today are way worse. It actually isn't that, I mean, it's a short dress, but it's not short like some of these dresses are short. How many times did you see a thong growing up? Like, never. It's everywhere. What's going on? I'm just saying they're all over the place. No, I mean, I'm not talking specifically about that. I'm, what I'm saying is my perception. No, you look at it from as a father's perspective, which I do see that too. I was like, oh yeah, I don't know if I want my 16 year old daughter falling in love with. Yes, I'll give you an example, breakfast club. Great movie, classic movie, one of the greatest movies of all time. Yeah, wait for a kid. When I'm watching it, I'm identifying with the kids. Yeah, I want to slap all the kids and watching it now. Now as an adult, I'm watching it. I couldn't stand that movie. I was like, oh, you guys are being such like little punks. Now I identify with the principal, the one that's like, young man, you're going to get the bull by the horns, one of that guy. Now I'm like, yeah, kick their ass. As a kid, I was like, what an asshole. You know what I mean? It changes everything. There's been little shit. Anyway, speaking of underwear. Okay, you brought up thongs. Great training. I made a huge, a huge change. This is monumental. You changed from purple to purple thongs. Now you guys know, for years, I have under. For years, and I grew up wearing the Speedo European. So I grew up, right? We're in the Speedo European underwear. We've seen it. I switched over to the boxer briefs. Whoa. I did. What made you do this? Sacrilege. You know, I was just- You're getting like saggy butt now or something? No, my butt's actually- You're wearing like a full undershirt now too? Yeah. No more wife be here? No, that'll never change. Okay. All right, all right, all right. I just got nervous. No, I was just, you know, I was kind of getting just, I don't know what happened. I just felt like trying them on, to see what happens. So how's the test drive going? You know, they're comfortable. They're really, they're a lot hotter, dude. There's a lot more fabric. That's the only thing that I don't like. I mean, does it hug them good? It's good enough. You know, cause the Speedos is- Have you- Is secure and tight. You need some support there. What are you doing over there? If you play with rotation and stuff like that, how would you- Yeah, you rotate it. Yeah. No, no, no, no. I don't do that with- Creepy arm rotation. What? You get a call- Hey, you look like an old creep trying to say something to somebody. Hey, you wanna- I got another point. Yeah, you wanna play on it. Come here, let me rub you. You're telling something. A little bit. No, I switched them out. And part of the reason why I switched them out is when I first started dating Jessica, she told me that she liked boxer briefs and that she didn't necessarily like my Speedo underwear. Now you know me, I don't give a shit. I'm gonna wear them anyway. But now later on, I'm like, maybe I'll change them and see what happens. See if she, you know, she gets excited. See, I thought that was like for the ladies. Yeah, no, no, it was for the comfort. It has nothing to do with the leg or care less. But now I'm wearing them right now. I think it's okay. Yeah, I was trying to figure it out. So now you guys aren't gonna see the lines anymore. You guys always- Because we're always looking, right? Oh, good. You guys are just staring at it. I want a nice, clean presentation. All right, so we have to talk about the craziest thing ever that just happened. Okay. That just happened. Let's talk about this, you had said that this is a massive conspiracy. We just missed and I doubt it. How like, what are we missing? Dude, so John McAfee, you guys know who he is, right? No, tell me who he is. Is it McAfee or is it McAfee? McAfee, sorry. He's the guy that invented McAfee virus. Oh, okay. Billionaire, whatever. This guy's been on the run forever. Super controversial. Talks about how he has, first of all, they tried to charge him with some sexual assault stuff. Then he's doing some tax evasion. When this guy does these videos where he talks about the government, how he has this information on like top officials and he'll release it if he ever gets killed and all this crazy stuff. I've seen him get a tattoo saying that basically, if he gets suicided, that it wasn't him. So he was put in a Spanish prison. He got caught because he's been on the land making fun of the government. They can't find me. They can't, nobody can find me. Just talking shit. He's a wild kind of crazy guy, right? And again. Wait, wait, wait, hold on. Go ahead. Oh, no, yes. Yes, dude. Hold on. Hey, bro, your head. You've got to get your eyes forward, buddy. Oh, there we go. Bro, where'd you get that? I just found it. That's amazing. Look at that. Any time we talked about conspiracies, I was going to gun. Yeah, you got to be careful. Sounds great, too. Yeah, you get the idea. So, no, so here's the deal, right? So this guy's been talking about how the government does this thing and, you know, he talked about Epstein. And he's always revealing, like, very conspiracy, controversial shit. Talk about how he has all this information. OK, OK. Now, real quick, because I don't know much about this guy. This is all he's known for is being the anti-virus guy. And then also being this, like, anti-government, anti-super conspiracy theory on the lamb, like, and he looks like, this guy looks like a maniac. And you should hear some of the stuff that he says. He's very entertaining, kind of crazy. Swacked. Oh, yeah, dude. I mean, he's like, he has parties with a bunch of girls. He's all pro-drug. Weird, weird kind of guy. Very interesting. Anyhow, gets caught and he's put in a Spanish prison to get extradited to the US for tax evasion. He does a bunch of tweets leading up to this, saying stuff, I got to read some of these tweets, dude, because it's, I got to find some of these tweets. But some of these tweets are saying, like, hey, the way the government's talking to me, I have a feeling they're going to suicide me. Hey, I will never kill myself. Here's a tattoo and he puts, you know, whacked on his thing just to remind everybody. Then he says something like this, check this out. I've collected files on corruption in governments for the first time I'm naming names and specifics. I'll begin with a corrupt CIA agent and two Bahamian officials coming today. If I'm arrested or disappear, 31 plus terabytes of incriminating data will be released to the press. In other words, he's saying, if I get killed, you guys, there will be a trigger that will be set and then there'll be all this crazy information that's going to come out. Here's the crazy thing. Here's the crazy thing, they find him in his cell, hung himself, right? So he killed himself. And remember, he did a bunch of tweets saying, I will never do this. Killed himself in his cell. Right afterwards, his Instagram account posts a queue, just a queue, like another word, you know, like he's going on. He's going on stuff. Like it almost like it's a trigger. Like, okay, here we go, let the shit out, they got to me. Bro, how, this is like Epstein, but crazier. Super deep state stuff. Yeah, cause he's been talking about for a while how they're going to try and kill him. I was going to say, now, will this still get labeled as conspiracy theory? If a guy comes out, like how much more obvious that it's not a conspiracy that if he says, if they try. I am not going to do this. Yeah, I'm not going to kill myself. I'm tattooing myself to remind you all, in case I get killed. Speaking of that, he's a new tattoo artist. I'm not really impressed with that word. He's got to be a billionaire. What's up? Yeah, like, come on, he's got like tribal, ugly tattoos on his shoulder. Well, now, here's what works against him. He looks broke. Here's what works against him. He's in prison. Yeah, here's the thing. Well, no, even though he was in prison, even his suit and tie look, he looks broke. He's a lunatic. Now, here's it, that's the part that works against him is he comes across, he comes across as crazy. So there'll be stuff that he'll say that's like, oh, nobody believes me, life sucks. Like, he's very up and down. So he can come across as a bit crazy. Yeah, but don't you think that, okay, that's our perception because that's what we get from the media and what we get from Google. So if this guy could get, if the government can get to him, don't you think too that all the photos that you find him are gonna look like this? Like, right? I mean, if you have somebody like the CIA who's coming after this guy, they're also going to wipe out all the stuff online or in media that actually makes him look even semi-normal for that exact reason that you just said right now. So that the average person goes like, oh, well, he looks fucking crazy. Of course he said some shit like that. I mean, listen to some of the tweets that he put out. What does Duck Duck go say? Well, I'm on the right now. So here's some of the tweets he did. This is when he was in the prison. There's the big Q right there. Oh yeah, that got posted after he died or when he died or something. So check this out. This is one of his tweets when he's in prison. I am content in here. I have friends. The food is good all as well. Know that if I hang myself a lot Epstein, it will be no fault of mine. This is tweets. That's the normal tweets. Bro, this is crazy to me. Look at this. Here's another one. This is another tweet he put out. Getting subtle messages from US officials saying, in effect, we're coming for you McAfee. We're gonna kill yourself. I got a tattoo today just in case. If I suicide myself, I didn't. I was whacked. Check my right arm. Dude, this is wild shit. Well, and yet like is anything, any investigation gonna happen in that regard? Who's gonna investigate it? Exactly. That's the point. It's like, what happens now? And so you said that there's gonna be more information that's gonna be leaked out. Well, I mean, that's what they're thinking. Okay. You know, because like his death might have triggered some. He didn't say that? Well, how, hey, how scared to death are you as the 25 year old reporter fresh out of college and he's told you like, hey, if I get whacked, you're gonna go share these files. Oh. He was sitting and now it's on you to go out. Well, I mean, it's like hot files. Yeah, a story that could like totally change your career but at the same time to change your living or not. And he would constantly talk shit about how they can't find him. They can't catch him. Like, here's the thing. This is what I would say. Yeah, why taunt them? Now let's play, let's play on the side of conspiracy theory. Let's say it was the deep state that killed him. I think that they would have found a way to stop this information from coming out first. Then once they found it, they said, we got it, now we can take him out. What do you mean that if, like you're actually, you think it's a possibility this guy hung himself? No, no, no. What I'm saying is if he got killed, if he got whacked. Which he did. Then I would think that the people who whacked him found where this information was gonna be shared. Stop that first, right? Take care of that first because he set up a, the theory is that he set up a trigger. So like if I get killed, all you guys are going down, this shit's gonna get released. So I think that they would have found that first, stopped it and said, all right, it's secure, we can take him out. Or they were all part of that who did that also. So then when nothing comes out, everyone goes like, oh, he was full of shit. Yeah. Oh, dude. You know what I'm saying? I mean, okay, so how blatant, unless he's a total whack job and he's doing this on purpose and like, oh, when I die, everyone's gonna be real confused. But how crazy would that be that you're calling it out and then they did it anyway? You know what I'm saying? Whoa, that's a little scary. Does Hillary Clinton have no, no, no, I'm just kidding. Dude, I mean, it just seems a lot of it has been out in the public eye. It's just like, it's whoever decides to actually look into it, you know? Then you start raising questions. And then if you raise questions, you're immediately a conspiracy theorist. So end of story. Oh, so weird. I don't know how you- It's a brilliant structure they have. I think if you label somebody a conspiracy theorist around this one, you're kind of a moron. I mean, this person went to the lengths of tattooing that he wouldn't kill himself and is saying this well before he dies and then he gets killed. It's kind of like- It's like Epstein. It's like, oh, the camera's turned off. Oh, the guards were asleep. It's even worse, right? I think Epstein was obvious to us also, but Epstein didn't come out and say, hey, if I get killed tomorrow, it's because someone killed or I didn't commit suicide. I would never do that. Had he done that too, it would have made that even worse. The problem is the whole crazy side, right? Or the crazy angle, because they could always say, well, obviously he said that, he's crazy. Yeah, but you know what? How much of that am I- Has that been since the beginning they've been promoting that, right? If you're the government and you're afraid that this guy is gonna put out all this information, you also would be filtering the stuff that others can see about it too, wouldn't you? I mean, to me, I feel like that's the easy first step is let's make him out to look crazy and not look normal by only letting this stuff out to go viral. Oh, dude, terrifying. It's terrifying. It's like they'll get you. Scrub all the information, yeah. So this just happened, huh? Literally. Wow. Literally just happened. And he was 75 years old, you know? And I mean, when I saw it, I was like, oh shit. So it's like making its rounds. So blatant. I know. So we'll see if anything gets released, but I think that they would have found a way to stop that before taking him out. Or he did commit suicide and he was actually a lunatic. And I tell you what, he kind of did come across as a bit of a- Yeah, I heard he was like really eccentric. Like he was a very crazy, like did a lot of like really interesting things. Yeah, very kind of a weird, weird, weird dude. In fact, at one point he ran as a Libertarian for I don't remember what office or whatever. By the way, I know I identify politically Libertarian-ish, but I'll tell you something about the actual official Libertarian party. There's a bunch of fucking crazy people in there. There's a bunch of off. There's a reason why they never win. There's a bunch of crazy people in there. Bunch of pot-smoking weirdos. Wasn't there some kind of like retreat, you know, for Libertarians that it was like, it was wild. Dude, there's a guy that runs as a Libertarian who wears a shoe on his head and he's like a wizard or something. I think, I'm not making sense. The shoe on his head. Yeah, dude, it's not. They're not going anywhere with their lunacy. Anyway, hey, did you guys, let's switch gears here. Are you guys watching John Jones' progression in his training? Because he's bulking up, right? Yeah, he's with our buddy, yeah? Efforting. Stan Efforting is training him. Yeah, so I'm gonna send this to Doug. Maybe he can post it. How's he looking? Massive. Oh, really? Like jacked, huh? Dude, he went from, I'm gonna send this to Doug right now. Doug, you can pull it up. There was controversy because before that, he was like really focusing on deadlifting and a lot of the compound lifts. And some people were criticizing that he was moving a little slower in his next fight after that. So I'm wondering if, obviously he's addressed that, but I've seen him still lifting weights and he's super functional right now. He's 255 right now. His old weight that he would walk around at or whatever his fight weight was 225 right now is at 255. He fights at a light heavy weight, right? Yeah. Not a heavy weight. But right now he's walking around at 255. And he doesn't look like he's really fat. Does he have a fight schedule? Look at that. Yeah, look how big he is. Now here's the challenge. I don't know how Stan is training him, but I do know that Stan, his history is in powerlifting and bodybuilding. And so he's an expert at muscle hypertrophy. Yeah, really interesting for that to be the choice. Yeah, now here's the challenge. I don't know what Stan's athletic training background is. So I have no idea. So I'm speculating just based off of his own competitions. When you train a fighter who understands their body and knows how their body moves and is connected to their body, that's what happens when you're at an elite level and you just pack a bunch of mass on them. No, I don't help at all. No, because you're in a new body. You're not used to the same, exactly, you're not used to the same mass and the same, the biomechanics change a little bit, the speed and the timing changes a little bit. Is this prepping him to fight at heavy weight? Like, does he have aspirations for that? I'm not sure. But I know part of the strategy was to get him big and strong. He already has a fight that I think is scheduled, doesn't he? Check out to see who it is. He's got a fight scheduled, but that's a good question, Justin. I don't know if it's, now this would make sense if he's going into the heavyweight division. No, heavyweight. He's going into heavyweight. Oh, so he is going to fight in the heavyweight division. It doesn't make sense. So yeah, he needs to pack on a lot of weight, dude. He does, but... And technically, well, you can pack on too much, but... You got to be careful because I've done this to myself. I've seen other people do this where... Well, we've talked about, this is the most common question that we have to get, that we answer every single week, which is this somebody wanting to get buff or stronger, but then they also have a sport that they play. And if you sacrifice the skill of your sport at all in pursuit of getting bigger, you'll get worse at your sport, especially at this high of a level, at this high of a level, the amount of frequency consistency that this guy has to do of his sport to maintain his level of excellence is extremely high. And if at all you take away from that to build muscle and pursuit to be bigger and stronger, not only will it probably, at most certain, the whole hinder is fighting. And here's why, because I know people watching right now are like, what are you talking about? Okay, so let's say you have a fighter that's really, really good, and he fights at a 200-pound body weight in a class that's 200 pounds, and he gains 20 pounds of muscle, and now he's not fighting as good. Yes, he will still kick the crap out of 200 pounders. In fact, he might actually have an easier time at the 200 pounders, because he's a lot bigger and stronger. But that's not what happened to fighting. He went up to another weight class. So he's bigger and stronger, but now he's fighting other bigger, stronger guys who may be more than it for a while. Yeah, they may be more used to their body. Or they're two guys that have been 250, and they're cutting. Or 270. Yeah, and they cut down to 230. Which is usually the case there. Yeah, and they had been doing that for years. So they're used to fighting at that point. So yeah, no, this is... This is where that old man strength comes from. Like if you go wrestle your uncle, that you can beat in the gym. John Jones is the goat. Like, he'll figure it out, man. I don't know. My money would be in his direction in heavyweight. Well, yeah. And you know, Stan is a smart guy. I'm sure he's smart. John Jones has got a camp full of his fight team. So I don't see them not knowing what we're talking about. You know what I'm saying? This is not... No, we're just trying to explain it. Yeah, so I think that I'm excited. I'm very excited to see what happens from it. I think it's really exciting for Stan. I really like Stan, and I like John Jones. John Jones is probably one of the most talented fighters. His only challenge is the mental side. He keeps fucking himself. And it reminds me a lot of Mike Tyson. He gets in his own way. Yeah, like it was like Tyson. Like Tyson, if Tyson had the mind of Muhammad Ali, he would have been crazy. Now, don't you feel, though, you have to factor that in when talking about them being great or not great? Sure. Like some people say stuff like that, like, oh, he would be the greatest if it wasn't for... But he's not. But he's not. He's not because of that. You're not going to be balanced. Exactly. And there's some people that are extremely smart the way they fight, and that's part of what makes them a great fighter. I mean, there's a part of the IQ fighting is part of the deal. It's just like any sport, right? Like, there's guys that I know that like in football or basketball that are not the most physically dominant, but then their IQ is so high, they're considered one of the greats. Well, they read the whole game. They tell you what could happen any given moment. So I had a pretty awkward phone call last night. I was like, so Courtney's out of town and was like staying down in San Diego with her sister. And like, I was just sitting on the couch by myself and like trying to take care of dogs and everything. And I get this FaceTime. And so I got the FaceTime and Courtney, like, is there an answer to this? But she's there with like all these other ladies and every one of them were like, like three sheets to the wind, you know? They're just having a good time. And I'm like, oh, hey. And they're trying to introduce themselves on FaceTime to me and she's kind of passing it around. And I'm like, oh, hi, shirtless, have to work out or something. Yeah, well, no, I was just sitting on the couch. And so one of the ladies is just like, oh, where's your other hand? Ha, ha, ha, ha, you know, and I'm like, oh my God, this is what I'm dealing with, right? And so I just was like, all right, I'll play this. So I turned it down. I had my little wiener dog on my lap. Oh, it's right on my wiener. I'm petting him like this. And I was like, this is the most awkward conversation I've ever had with people I don't even know, you know? And then like, I was like, how do I get out of this? What was Courtney saying the whole time? She was just like, just turning red. And like, she, I don't know. She thought it was going to be a funny idea to include me in. And I'm like, that's a terrible idea, honey. Don't ever do that again. You know what's funny? This is like a little, let's like an untold secret, I think. If you're ever, if you're a guy and you're around a bunch, like a group of women that outnumber you and they're drunk, it's intimidating. They get really bad. They get really dirty. They're like raunchy and aggressive. Because they feel confident. You're by yourself. There's a whole bunch of them. And they just say shit. And you're just like, wow, this is like. I don't even know you. And you guys are like, yeah, they're coming in hot. Dude, you know, it was the worst was when I got, I'm thinking back now. I'm starting to get all these memories. Could you imagine if the roles were reversed on that? How awkward that it would never, you know? Yeah, you met a group of guys. You'd be in jail for that pile and all. Of course. Of course, that's because guys are terrible. But I remember, I'm thinking back now, as a young trainer, 18 years old, as a personal trainer in the gym. And I remember some of the clients that I would have, these women in their 40s, or even members that would see me regularly. Oh my God, they were terrible. Some of the shit that they would say to me, I couldn't believe, I had a lady would slap my ass every time I walked by her. She's like a 40 year old. I had a manager did that to me when I was working at Red Robin. She was just like, oh, hey, how's my handsome, whatever. And she'd be like, just slap me in. I'll meet you in the cooler. No way. Hey, no one wants to talk about how it happens. The other way too. It's socially acceptable. You should start a meet-to movement. Well, that's because she's not going to. Because you don't feel threatened. Let's be honest, did you feel threatened, Justin? No. No, and that's the part. Yeah, that's why I'm like, I'm being playful and funny by saying that, right? Because I do understand that. Yeah, because it was a big dude that you could feel a little different. Hey, Kyle Kingsbury, remember that experience for me? I'll never forget that. Tell the whole story. Yeah, well, it gave me a whole new understanding of what it probably feels like for women and why it is so different for women than as men is because there is a real physical threat that that could happen. So if a little five foot one, one 15 pound girl grabs my ass, it's not very scary because I know I could physically palm her with my hand and keep her away if I want to. But if the role's reversed for a girl when that happens, it's extremely intimidating. And I felt that for the first time when we met Kyle. I remember that. It's a nice loving embrace when we got her back. Kyle Kingsbury, you know, he's an MMA fighter, big dude. Yeah, black belt, MMA, bad ass, super strong. Great guy, by the way. Six foot four, 230 pound, just monster. And, you know, he's very fun and flirtatious and he's not, you know, doesn't prefer one sex over the other. And we... He's having fun. We were in the coffee shop, one of the first times we ever hung out and met and he did a real like, you know, low back reach around on me. And it was very long time. The look on your face. And he kind of... You looked at me and Justin, and me and Justin were like, hey bro, the best we could do is call the police. We're like, Sal, Adam's been claimed. Yeah. Yeah. Cause he could cold you down. Yeah. And I went flush and, you know, probably just like I'm sure women have felt it that have had similar situation is, what do I do? Yeah. Do I make a big deal about it and then potentially get pinned and then he's gonna be like... Are you just smiling? Yeah. Or like pretend like I kind of like it, but I don't or do I just give this look, you know, like that all of a sudden starts swirling around in your head and that has never happened to me before. And so I... Whatever happens and you get, whatever, just shit your pants. You don't just leave you alive. Right away. It's a good move. Aw, man. I don't have to. People are skate move. Anyway, speaking of, of disgusting things, did you guys hear about this journalist that took a subway sandwich, a tuna fish subway sandwich and got it DNA tested. So he tested the tuna and you know what they found? What was it? Oh my God. Is it a different species? They found no tuna. What? They found no, no tuna DNA at all. Dude, they, I've seen... Okay. And I'll roll it. What? I've seen, I've seen. What does that mean, bro? That they squeeze out of a tube. Like... So, so now here's the thing. I think... Hasn't subway already gotten trouble for this bullshit before? It's so nasty. Yeah, so it's... It's already terrible they're like 90% bread and like 10% meat. What's, what was it? Was it like 10% in the lab? Like... So here's what it says. A Weekend New York Times report took a look at what goes into the eatery's tuna offerings. I was talking about subway. And even had some sandwiches tested by a lab. The Times said that the lab found no identifiable tuna DNA in the tuna sandwiches, the papers had tested. Now here's the deal. None? None? Not even like a pixie dust? At least supplement companies pixie dust the shit in there. I mean, is it another fish? What are we dealing with here? I don't, I don't, I have no idea. Now here's the thing. I don't know if, so here's the defense. The defense from subway, they're saying this. Once the tuna has been cooked, it's DNA becomes denatured, which is true. Meaning that the fish's characteristic properties have likely been destroyed, making it difficult, if not impossible, to identify. Now here's why I'm leaning towards subway. This is why I'm leaning towards subway. Because you ate a lot of tuna sandwiches. I love that tuna. No, because what would you replace it with? Tuna's relatively cheap. It wouldn't make any sense to replace it with another fish because other fish is more expensive. So what would they, you know, what are the benefit? Is it the most, or the cheapest? It's very inexpensive. Tuna fish is very inexpensive. What's the cheapest fish, Doug? I feel like, I feel like Mackerel. No, I think like Mackerel or Catfish, those are all cheaper. They are, but when you're not, I think they put cod in fish sticks. Not when you're doing it in mass. And also, I don't think you could make cod, for example. Talapea, maybe. No, yeah, Talapea is cheap, too. Cheapest fish by the pound. Yeah, but I mean, it would have to taste and look like tuna. It's probably chicken gizzards. Well, I mean, you put enough mayonnaise and other stuff like that, you can just go. It's dolphin meat. What it wouldn't be hard to do is to make some artificial flavoring that's supposed to taste like tuna and then put it on the cheaper fish. So it could be the hack, dude. It could be another fish that's much cheaper to purchase than tuna. It just doesn't make sense. I don't know, I'm speculating. You could buy tuna in bulk. You have easy distribution. I don't think it's as easy with other fish products. I mean, this is just one of those things you start to really have to consider with fast food. Like how are they able to maintain these profit margins at low prices? You want to get, you know, it's like, then you look at something like Taco Bell, they got under fire for their meat a while back. Tilapia. So tilapia is cheaper. So what is to stop them? Okay, and you're talking about a place like Subway, where we're talking about probably millions of pounds of fish that they're moving a month, right? But would you think that tilapia is tuna? You'd have to add more shit to it. All you have to do is add flavoring. Once it's all chopped up and mixed in, they're a little mix of onions and relish and mayonnaise and everything else in that, you don't think it'd be hard to disguise a different kind of fish as tuna? I guess. They also say canned fish is the cheapest. There you go. So there you go. But when they buy it, is it bought? I doubt it's bought in the can. How do you, what are you buying? You're buying a one tuna and then doing it for yourselves? Imagine they buy it, Matt, like a huge- Large can. Yeah. So their argument is- 55 gallon drum. Yeah, that's right. I mean, I would seriously, it would be like that, wouldn't you think? They're not buying by a can. What do you think they have a little fucking can? Can't open under the back like this. I'll- Come on, Steve, we got 12 more fucking tuna sandwiches. You're holding this up, Steve. I tell you what, I wouldn't feel that bad, knowing that I was eating tilapia instead of tuna though. You know what I mean? It's not that big of a deal to me. You know what I mean? Well, it's probably most likely, because what else do you get? Cat. Squirrel. You know? Well, so you want to talk about- Squirrel, squirrel is really bioavailable everywhere. Yeah, so you want to hear about something that's- It's supposed to be tasty. This is also gross. Do you know that food regulations- I'll tell you something gross at a minute. Food regulations allow a certain amount of rat feces and rat hair in regular food. Your ketchup is like that. Your ketchup has a certain amount of dead rats and bugs that it allows. Yeah, because it's impossible to eliminate it. It's impossible. So they have a threshold. So you literally, if there's some in there. So is milk, everything's like that. Wow. Yeah, dairy's like that, everything's like that. Because it's impossible. You have these massive tanks with thousands and tens of thousands of gallons. Of course, a rat or a bug or a fly gets in there. So it is. Okay, you can only have so much, which is kind of gross when you think about it. That's gross. You worked in some of these big food factories and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember you saying when you worked in the whey protein place, how it wasn't like the way that you throw it in the food. You didn't measure it. It's not regulated, it fell on the floor, scoop it right back in. It was like a bunch of teenagers and it was simply lying around things like that. Two for them, one for me. I mean, it's no different once you make it into the restaurant industry. So I had some experience there. It opened my eyes with all this. And then I had the dairy, same thing. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, shit, the fly went, oh, well. Oh, no, no. Stir it up, stir it up. Oh, my God. That's why I'm always super nice to the waiter or the waitress, because I know, I worked in restaurants. I know, dude, if they go in the back, like they can do anything they want to your food. That's it, man. And I don't... You don't want it to keep going back. I'll tell you that right now. Really? Oh, yeah. Is that one shit? What's the worst thing you've ever seen? Well, I mean, there's been airs from certain areas sprinkled in salads. Oh, no. Yeah, there's been, anyways, dude, I don't want to get into it. It's really gross, but, like, you know, there's been stuff from your nose that made it in... Oh, God. Yeah, certain sauces. But, like, stuff, like, I would, like, I just was, I was never a part of that, because that's just awful. It's just being awful human being. I feel like it's being a coward. That's why I would never do it. Like, if I don't like you, I'm going to do it to your face. Not going to do it. But I just know that there's people out there that exist that do stuff like that. That's what I know. For sure. Yeah, and they're getting paid minimum wage after that. Garlic hides all that, I think. Huh? More hot sauce, please. More hot sauce. We're gonna have to kill most of the back teeth. Dude, speaking of shit, I got shit on Saturday. What? Like, literally. Wait, wait, someone shit on you? Bird shit on me. Oh, bro. I haven't had that happen in so long. You had good luck. Is it? I was gonna ask that. That's why I brought it up. So, who made that up? Look it up, Doug. Italians. Tell me, what does it mean, Italians? Italians turn everything bad luck into good luck. If you step in shit or a bird shits on you, I guess to make it, to make it, like, not bad, like, hey, good luck. I was at money, apparently. I was at the wedding and we just changed. I just put a white shirt on, getting ready to head out to go get something to eat with Katrina. And we're walking down the street for not even two minutes and boom. Look over on my shoulder and pick up a bird shit right on my shoulder. Oh, bro. Yeah, a bunch of fucking seagulls over there. That happened to me on my hair. Laguna beach. That was brutal. Yeah, dude, that was a beach. What's it say, Doug? What am I gonna get? I don't know. Besides a laundry go. I switch to duck-duck-go and I'm not sure it's good for me for finding things quickly. Hmm. Go get out of there. It's bird poop, good luck. That's what I put. And now I got a bunch of articles. Oh, see? Don't really say anything definitive to me. I know. Duck-duck-go's not very good, huh? Well, at least it's gone. No, I heard that. That's why I was asking. The reason why I brought it up was that exact reason, because I was hoping I'd get some, I have some good luck for my mom. See, now the cool thing is if it goes on your head, boom, baby wipe, gone, because you don't have hair. It's a whish. Yeah, the shirt, though, was the Gorbachev, just please. The shirt was a problem, though, you know, so. I'm lucky, though. Money, you think? You think it's money, huh? Anything having to do with shit. This is what my parents thought. You step in shit, you get shit on, you're supposed to get money. Come on, Doug, the suspense is killing me right now. Oh, okay. What am I gonna get, man? I wanna... Yeah, there's a sense when a bird poops on you, it is transferring its prosperity. Ooh. So you're probably gonna get rich now. Wow. That is, wow. But I don't know if it's Italian or where the origin is, but... I know, all I know is my family would always say it. Yeah, it seems to be a lot of people who say that it is good. Hell yeah. So you're probably okay. Well, think about it. The odds, right? No. I mean, you're lucky just to get that. This is true. You know what I'm saying? I felt a little bit, too. It ruined my clam shutter I was eating, but other than that, I felt a little good. Yeah, I was literally eating clam shutter. I'm like, this has just got not good now. What do they call these astrological signs? Like the whole... Zodiac? Yeah, I'd rather go with the zodiac, what they have to say for me, too. I think it gets shit on. Yeah, well, Adam, don't remember, don't make fun of that. Adam actually... Yeah, he believes in that. I forgot. Those are real. Yeah, sorry. You have arena? It always... Yeah, there's always something in there. Anyone who denies this, I challenge you, okay? Go back, everybody. Listen here. Listen, Linda, okay? If you don't believe these things. It's in the stars, you guys. This is what confirmed it for me, so this will work for you, too. Everybody has dated a crazy girlfriend or boyfriend, right? So go back. You're always Scorpio. Look up what their birth date was, okay? Look up what their birth date was. You can find this online. You can find how I match with... It's not my fault. I'm a Sagittarius. I'm a Sagittarius. Put in your birth date, put in their birth date, and look up how you match, and you'll see, I bet you it just describes the drama in your relationship, like to a T. Whatever was going on with that person, you do that and you're like, whoa, science. What are your signs again? You're Aquarius, like I am. Yeah, I'm Aquarius. And what are you again? Scorpio. Scorpio, that's right. We're the water people. Yeah, Aquarius is apparently, I think, something like 90... Pelagent and... Maybe you can look this up. It's very true. Charismatic. You can look this up. I think something like 90% of the people in the American Hall of Fame are Aquarians. Did you guys know this? Of course. Look that up, Doug, because I think that's a true statistic. What? Now, that's weird. 90% in the Hall of Fame in the American Hall of Fame. I like that I'm finally getting in on this. In the American Hall of Fame. I was only Italian. What is the American Hall of Fame for what sport? I have no idea what it is. Yeah, I don't know. It's made up. It does sound made up. No, no. The American Hall of Fame? Listen. The American... It doesn't get more generic than that. I went to the American College University. Oh, really? The University of School. Yeah. Okay, here we go. I just, I'm looking at it. I had a liberal arts degree. I can't find it. Cool story. Yeah, that's a bullshit. Some Hall of Fame anyway. Yeah. Something about... That ain't accurate. Something about Aquarians being awesome. Aquarians or Aquarius? Aquarius, Aquarius. Aquarius, my bad. Aquarius. Aquaman. What is an Aquarian? Come on, we even have a song, dude. Is that an instrument? An Aquarian. Aquarian? Yeah. I have no idea. It's like an Aquarian. It's like an instrument and a fish had sex. That's what it is. That's what an Aquarian is. Can you imagine the noises that would make? It's like half whale, half blue holes. Mama, me, I dropped my Aquarian into the water. It's an Aquarian now. It does both of them. 90% of those are in the Hall of Fame. Yeah. In case you're wondering. Speaking of water, so I was at... Yesterday I did Mark Bell's podcast, right? Drove all the way up to Sacramento and I'm in there and I did the... What's this podcast called? Power projects. Yeah, anyway, great guy. Love Mark Bell. Very nice, very hospitable. Everybody there was super awesome. But I go in there and you guys know me. I always pay attention to the supplements that people have around in their office. And that's like a place of power lifter. I mean, there's some massive beasts in there. In fact, I went in there and I felt very small. But I see supplements and I see a bunch of element. So LMNT, one of the products. Oh, they got some over there? A ton, right? Oh, awesome. So I asked him and I said, have you noticed... Yeah, what do they think about it? Exactly. I said, have you noticed any difference in drinking, you know, in increasing your sodium? He's like, now remember, Mark Bell does a very... Carnivore. Very low carb type of diet. Oh yeah, he's like, it's huge, dude. Huge pumps. Especially him. Energy. Everybody was drinking their product. And then we started talking about the potential success of this company. You know what's funny? This is true now. There's three components that make things very palatable, right? Salt, sugar, and fat. Okay, so when you drink Gatorade, you got a lot of sugar in there and it tastes really good. Gatorade has electrolytes also. Not nearly as much sodium as LMNT. And we've talked about why that's beneficial for athletes and people with low carb diets or people have, you know, non-processed food type diets. You probably need more sodium in your diet if you're one of those people. The high sodium content of LMNT is why it's so damn hyper palatable. Because as I'm drinking it and it's sugar-free, like this is way better than sugar-free any other drink. And it's because it's so high in sodium. So we were talking about it, I'm like, oh my god. There's like unintended brilliance in their formulation. No, 100%. I don't know if it's unintended. I'm sure, you got to think that that was intentional. I'm sure they did. Because they didn't do the sugar you got to make up and you're probably not going to add fat into something like that. So I imagine that. Because Gatorade, when they first started out, was very much like, you know, electrolyte-driven. And it was like chalky and yeah, and it was higher and they just moved away from that. And it got mainstream and it's like high fructose corn syrup and everything else they'll throw in there. Wasn't it invented for the University of Florida? Florida, yeah, because, I mean, the humidity is insane. Like I experienced that just going into St. Louis for one of my first football games in the Midwest and I literally lost 10 pounds before I even touched the field. Wow, wow. I just, I wasn't used to it, I didn't acclimate to it. And that crushes your performer. Crushes, I was like, I was like, basically dizzy, throwing up, it was awful. Oh, you got that bad. Yeah, oh wow. Speaking of our partners, if I don't, I think I've shared this maybe once on the podcast before and I know I've posted it on my Instagram at least once. But last night, watching the new episode of Loki, I went down and because you guys remember I talked about how I got like 40 boxes of blueberry magic food or whatever. And so, and fruity is like my favorite. So fruity is number one and then I'd say blueberries number two, but I've gone through all the fruity, now I'm on to blueberry. But what I forgot, which is amazing and somebody in our forum first turned me on to this and that is bananas sliced up and the blueberry is the most amazing combination you've ever had. So if you haven't done, so mainly that, not with the fruity, the blueberries to move. Blueberries with the banana, the banana and blueberry mixed together. I have a box of blueberry, I'm gonna try that. What kind of milk do you use? Are you almond milk or do you go regular milk? So I'm normally almond milk, although last night I was actually drinking 2% because Katrina gets mad when I drink the whole milk for Max because it's the whole raw milk. Who's drinking the 2% normally? Our nanny. Oh, I see. Yeah, so she had it in there. So you stole her? Yeah, stole her milk. Well, is either that or get yelled at by the wife because I'm drinking Max. She gets mad. I would normally drink Max's, but she's like, Nanny's got to take that one. Yeah, you can take one for the tea. One of them works for you. One of them works for you. Yeah, the other one's your wife. Yeah, that's it. So I drank Rose's milk last night. Now, when you eat a banana in public by itself. I don't eat bananas by themselves. Why? That's just for where you're heading right now. Really? I do not eat bananas. I have never ate bananas. So you just don't like it? If I do, I do it really slow and just lean into it. I'm actually not a big... You throw it real quick at it. Oh yeah, just, you know. I actually don't like bananas by themselves at all. I would never just eat a banana. I don't like the taste of them. Really? But banana in smoothies or like magic spoon cereal. The banana mixed with stuff is amazing. So I love banana flavored stuff. If it's like in a flavored drink or whatever. But I do not like bananas by themselves. So I like bananas. And I remember when I'd go to work with my dad, we would always bring, sometimes we'd have fruit in salami or meat or whatever. And I remember watching my dad eat it and he never would bite the banana. He'd always cut off the piece and eat it with his knife. So much more manly. Yes, and I remember like every guy I knew in my family ate a banana that way. But as a kid, you don't know. You know what I'm saying? Like why are you guys eating bananas that way? Why don't you just put it in your mouth? I eat apples. As you grow up and I eat apples like that. I get it. I carve it with a knife. But the banana part, I mean I get that. Yeah, I don't even need it. You don't want to do it like Justin said. Justin, like when he eats a banana. Whatever dude, if you want to stare, I'll give you something to look at. Justin eating a banana is almost as awkward as watching you hip thrust. It's like, it's right up there. To me, I'm waiting one day I'm going to walk in. Justin's eating a banana and you're hip thrusting. I'm just going to fucking walk right back. You can only dream of that. Right back outside. Or if I do both at the same time. That's it, the end of Mind Pump. Yeah. Hey real quick, I hope you're enjoying the show. Head over to mindpumpfree.com and check out all of our free stuff. You can get all kinds of free giveaways, including guides and information on how to develop more muscular arms, flatter midsection, a better squat, how to burn body fat more effectively. We even have guides for personal trainers. Mindpumpfree.com. All right, enjoy the rest of this podcast. Our first caller is Santiago from Ecuador. Santiago, how can we help you? Hey guys, so basically my question is, I just finished maps and a boleak. I'm right now doing maps performance. I'm doing a three day phase one, so it's three days a week. I'm currently wearing a wearable that tracks my sleep, my recovery, et cetera, my heart rate. So my question is, if it would make sense to add another day, if my recovery is good. No, that's a really good question and it's a trap that a lot of us fall into when we're getting into fitness. So the optimal dose of exercise for maximum results is not the same as the upper tolerable limit of exercise that your body can withstand. So in other words, you might be able to withstand more exercise. You might be able to withstand more stress, but that's not gonna get you to your goal any faster. In fact, it may actually slow down and oftentimes does slow down your progress. And also it takes another tool off the table because at some point, if you come really advanced, you may need to add extra exercise just to get your body to progress even further. So don't fall into this trap. If you're progressing, you feel good, performance is improving, you're stronger. Don't add more just because you think you can. Leave it alone, don't fix what's not broken. Allow your body to adapt and improve. Now that being said, if he's been doing this for a while and he's at a plateau and he's got great recovery, great sleep, that is an option. But I think it shouldn't be the first option, right? I think that before you, the last place I ever wanted to is to add more training days to my clients. So we wanna manipulate exercise and programming and nutrition and do things like that and movement throughout the day. I wanna play with all those things first before I say, hey, now let's add another day. Just cause you're adding another day of exercise that you're now pretty much committing yourself to if you want to maintain whatever that physique is that you build. Well, did you just start MAPS performance recently? How long has it been? Yeah, I'm finishing phase one this week. Oh yeah, buckle up. So yeah, that's the thing. I mean, you're starting an entirely new stimulus and your body's gonna respond just because it's different than what you've been doing before. So I don't know, give it a chance to sort of develop and ride it out. So if you are still getting results right now, I mean, I would focus on just the benefits of what you've experienced so far and the strength of it. Yeah, and performance progressively adds volume anyway. Oh yeah, yeah. It's all in there. Yeah, phase two, phase three and so on, you're gonna get more and more volume. So just hang on, hang tight, and let the program get your body where you want it to go. Awesome, thanks guys. The second part of my question is, I've been focusing a lot more on performance rather than aesthetics. I've been following your advice and I'm enjoying it more. So my question is, what program would it be beneficial to follow after I'm done with performance to keep focusing more on a- Strong or power lift? I'd say MAPS strong. Let's go MAPS. You can only ask one question, so I was gonna give you a free program. You're not gonna get a free, I'm just kidding. No, it ruined it. Santiago, I'm gonna send you MAPS strong, okay? Follow that after MAPS performance, you're gonna love MAPS strong. It's funny, we created MAPS strong and we didn't really have expectations that it would explode the way it did. People did it and they, it's become one of the favorite programs that people follow. Power lift would be great too though because I mean, power lift is literally designed to bring up all those four major lifts. If you want something all about performance, I mean, that's not- Bear bones, yeah, yeah, it gets right after. We're gonna shoot MAPS strong over to you, okay, Santiago? Awesome, thank you very much guys, I appreciate it. No problem, man. Yeah, that's the trap that I fall into every single time. Everybody does that. I work out and I'm like, oh shit. I can do more. You get antsy. Yeah, I just think he's probably feeling good and wants to just keep going and get after it. You also got it, that's also how you find that out though too, right? You keep doing it? Well, no, no, no, no, no. No, but- Can I still have a figure of it? Because what I do like is that he has a tool and by the way, this is the better way to use these tools too, right? It's not like, oh, it says I'm great so I should just necessarily do more and do more. It's, now I have a baseline that I've been measuring for a while. Now let's see what happens when I decide to ramp up my intensity, excuse me, at another day, something like that and then let's go back to this tool that I have and see do I get a positive benefit from it or does it negatively impact my sleep and my recovery and that should give you your answer of if you're going in the right direction or not. Yeah, you know what the big challenge is with this is there's two, one is I want to get faster results but then here's the other one that's even harder and this is the one that I struggle with. It's not necessarily that I want to get faster results. I've been working out for so long that adding even a little bit additional performance is like a miracle because I've been doing this for so forever and I'm on the other end now with, you know, 35, right? So it's not like my body's going to continue to progress forever but it's, I love working out. So if I think I can add another workout and I love that hour workout then my tendency is to add more exercise but oftentimes that's self-defeating. So it's something that is fitness fanatics in particular struggle with. Our next caller is Kate from California. Hey Kate, how can we help you? Hi guys, thanks for answering my question. I really appreciate it. Yeah, let's go. So I started weightlifting probably like five years ago and at the time I was very active in Brazilian jiu-jitsu. So the training that I did really was just to compliment my martial arts. Since then I have not been training so much in BJJ and I just want to focus more on my physique. I've never followed a structured program so I was really interested in choosing one of the maps programs and I had my eye on anabolic. I have a question though, as regards the, what do you guys call it? Like the little extra add-on programs. Maps mods. The mods. Yes, yeah. My shoulders are something that I really want to see some more development in so I was wondering if I could add one of the shoulder mods to maps anabolic. You could but I would, if I had my choice with you I would actually prefer you go anabolic then aesthetic in that order and then in aesthetic you'll actually get an opportunity to make shoulders your focus. I just think you'll get great benefits in your shoulders just from running anabolic and before throwing more volume on it with like a mod or just trying to add more like follow the program and then transition into a program that was designed to sculpt and bring up body parts. Are you still doing Brazilian jiu-jitsu or anything else or is this going to be pure now resistance training? It's pretty much pure resistance training. I have about four or five days during the week that I do like to go to the gym. I do cycling and running on the side but that's more like a fun thing for me. Okay, yeah, so I'm with Adam, maps anabolic. Now that you have the choice in maps anabolic to do two or three foundational workouts a week I would recommend that you do three and then the trigger sessions if you want you can focus on your shoulders with the trigger sessions on the days in between and you should see significant progress with strength, muscle and body sculpting. So let's go in that direction. After you do maps anabolic, the three foundational workouts, the trigger sessions after you complete it then move to maps aesthetic like Adam said and then let's see what happens to your body but I think you're gonna do phenomenal. You're gonna see a lot of great results especially if you really focus on those trigger sessions hitting them multiple times a day which a lot of people don't really read that part and I wanna emphasize that because you're gonna get that recovery and also it's gonna help you to boost your performance going into the next workout. Now you said you don't have maps anabolic, correct? I do not, no, I was, I've been scrolling through all the programs and I'm like, okay, which one's for me? Well, Kay, I want you to check under your chair right now. I see my cat's there. You get a program. We're sending maps anabolic to you for free. Oh my gosh, thank you. Everybody gets maps. All right, so we're gonna send that over to you and then follow it like we just said and please keep in touch. Let us know what your progress is. And more specifically, more specifically with the trigger sessions, I think I would actually do, so when you do your trigger sessions, you'll see, and listen, watch the videos, make sure, here's a mistake, everybody thinks that trigger sessions are like another workout, the intensity level is supposed to be a lot lower, you're not trying to, You're just getting a pump. That's right, you're just kind of getting a pump, but when you do it because shoulders are a focus, what I would have you do as a client is I'd say, hey, I want you to do rear flies, lateral raises and some presses with the band. There you go. Every trigger session and we do like three rounds of that. That would be like my prescription to you before we scale into maps aesthetic. Sounds great. All right, let us know what happens, okay, Kate? Thanks, super excited. Thank you guys. No problem. Under her chair. You've been wanting to say that for so long. Well, you know what? You have their email, right, Doug? You have her email already or not? Jerry does, yeah. Oh, it's too bad, Doug, because if you had it right away, it would be kind of cool to like, him already be sending it, and then you steal the same. Check your right pocket. Just kidding, check your email right now. Boom, it's there. You know, she's gonna do junk file. Just because she stopped Brazilian jiu-jitsu and is focusing entirely on resistance training. She's gonna get the benefits of that. Oh, yeah, she's gonna build some good muscles. That's why I like this question, because again, it highlights all of our tendency, I feel, is just humans, right? We want to do all of that. I wanna build my shoulders, so I see you guys have a mod program. I see you have a program that's for aesthetics, like, but you're gonna get tremendous benefits from just running anabolic. And if you want the max benefits from the mod, the max benefits from aesthetic, then you will follow it in that order. If you jump, there's steps. You don't wanna like do all the steps at the same time. That's right. All right, our next caller is Mike from Pennsylvania. Hey, Mike, what's up? How can we help you? Yo, yo, Mike, what's up? Yo, what's good, boys? How we doing today? Good, good. What's going on, man? Oh, we got a live one. Oh, let's go, dude. First of all, I wanna say thank you for having me on. Love the podcast. Young personal trainer. Love listening to you guys. You guys have such good advice that, you know, can't really get from a lot of people. But, so I have a question. So I need to know how do I balance out my core again, because like as a kid, no problems, no injuries. As I'm growing older, I have like a left shoulder problem, hip, you know, we all problems, but I tend to use my right side, my core, like on every single exercise, core, non-core. And it seems like I'm using my top left ab in my second to top right ab, but the whole core on my right side, I'm activating that way more. And I'm, you know, I don't know if it's because my hip, my, you know, high ankle, sprain, shoulder, but I guess my question for you guys would be, where do I start to get that imbalance back? Well, there's two things that come to mind right away for me is one, I would definitely do, if you don't have maps prime, I would do an assessment to see if there's a breakdown and there's a good chance you've got to break down somewhere all the way down to your feet, right? And that's running all the way up the kinetic chain. So that's the first thing is trying to look to see if I have limited range of motion in one of my major joints from the foot all the way up, right? So that'd be the first thing. And then an exercise that seems very tedious, and I remember I rarely did it as a personal trainer and later on found the value of this would be the quadruped. And when you do the quadruped, do not do it like you see some trainers and some people in the gym where they're just kind of going back and forth, like as fast as they can through the exercise, like you are trying to articulate every inch of that map movement and make it look perfect and seamless on both sides. And you're probably going to see and feel a discrepancy on one side or the other. And your goal is to get that to match. It's a great exercise. We call it the bird dog too, for other people don't know what that quadruped is, but yeah, so opposite arm and leg and really pointing your fingers and your toes in opposite directions, but not allowing your hips to rotate is that the biggest part of that exercise that you need to focus on. But yeah, to be able to figure that out, you'll be able to actually see quite a bit of a discrepancy there if it's there and to be able to stay in there and really intensify the tension in your muscles to start trying to communicate again where you need to communicate. Yeah, you can put a stick down your spine while you're doing bird dogs and making sure that the stick stays in contact with the different points of your spine. So back of the head, upper shoulders, the pelvis, so that when you're doing it doesn't fall off your body. Have we done a good video for this? You know, I don't think we have. Yeah, I mean, really. I think we did a bird dog. Well, we did do one, but I mean, not in like... You know what, we're shooting great detail. We're shooting fitness tips, I think today or tomorrow with Eli. Put that on our list, Doug, to shoot because that's, you know, it's such a basic movement that I think people are familiar with but no one really does it well, I think, and so we can talk about. Any of those contralateral type movements and exercises you can incorporate where we get that sort of rotating left to right or like just getting that type of channel opened up is gonna help a lot. This is also how I would prime all of your workouts. That would be part of my warmup now if I was you. So that would have, I would start my workouts with this exercise to get everything kind of firing equally before you go into your other bigger movements. Yeah, now you did say a couple of things that were a little confusing. You said something about your upper left ab or upper right ab. So as far as the abs are concerned, they don't really work that way. There's two attachments and so you're not gonna activate one brick of your ab over the other. However, you can definitely have a left to right imbalance because of the external internal obliques. So one thing you can test, Mike, is your rotational ability. Windmill. So you can try a windmill or you can just stand up straight, rotate as far as you can without twisting your hips in one direction, try in the other direction and see if there's a difference between the two and rotational exercises will help typically balance out the right to left discrepancy when it comes to the core. Well, this is why I recommend MAPS Prime, right? So MAPS Prime is going to highlight that. So if in there is the windmill test, so it's gonna highlight the rotational component that Sal's talking about. And then it's also gonna highlight what I was talking about with you may have some sort of breakdown in your feet and work your way up. So it's gonna tell you a lot and in there, wherever you have breakdown, there's exercises and movements that you should specifically be doing to address that issue. And that should literally become your routine that you follow before all your workouts to prime the body properly to start and balance the set. Do you have access to MAPS Prime, Mike? I do not. So I started listening to you guys like a month ago. So like I'm kind of catching up on all this stuff. All right. Yeah, I do not. I definitely wanna get in. We're gonna send that to you and because you're a trainer, it's gonna be extremely valuable for your clients as well. The compass test and the priming movements is gonna be tremendous for how you end up training your clients. It's a tremendous tool. And if there's any trainers listening right now, if you don't have MAPS Prime, you're making a huge mistake. It's extremely valuable tool for trainers. Mike, I always like to ask too, are trainers, who's your favorite host? And why is it me? Oh, oh, dude, who's my favorite? Dude, all three of you guys, man. I love, my favorite part is like about the podcast is the beginning part where you guys get a little, you know, in the conspiracies and stuff. I love that part. Well, Mike, I'm gonna take away, I'm gonna take MAPS Prime back away. You said all, I'm the one that gave it to you for free. You can try asking out. That's almost as bad as the Doug answer. You're so jealous. No, I'm just kidding. Thanks for calling, man. Hey, gay, hey, good luck to you guys. I appreciate you guys answering my call, man. No problem. Thanks, Mike. Yeah, if you're a trainer, I swear to God, I wish I had this as a trainer. I mean, Oh my God, Prime and Prime Bro. Are you kidding me? The kind of information that you get in MAPS Prime used to be a thousand dollar certification. You'd have to go spend a thousand dollars, get certified. I say it at least once every 100 episodes that if you are a trainer and you don't own Prime and you don't own Prime Pro, you're an asshole. Just flat out like. I like that. And by the way, and there's a free, go to the free webinar. Don't buy it. Go to the fucking free webinars, watch it, consume the content. The information in there, in my opinion, if you're a coach, right, as trainer, this isn't, I mean, I think the general population, it's extremely valuable, period. But if you are a trainer, when I think of the things that I learned over the two decades training clients, the information in both those programs, Trump's everything else that we have by far. So it's mapsprimewebinard.com, that's one of them. And then the other one is primeprowebinard.com and they're totally free. So go check those out. Our next question is from Brianna from Florida. Hey Brianna, how can we help you? Hey guys, just wanted to real quick say, you guys are awesome. I listen to you guys every morning. So thank you for putting out a bunch of content. Awesome, thank you. Thank you. So my question is, I mean, there's a backstory to it, but basically my question is, is it better to lay off heavier weights while focusing on mobility and technique or keep driving home technique while doing my heavy lifts and just continue to prime beforehand because I'm basically powerlifting right now. Yeah, good question. No, that's a good question. If you wanna improve and you wanna improve smoothly and seamlessly, then you're gonna back off on the weight. And here's why. The second you push intensity, which is what heavy weight does, your body will always revert to its recruitment pattern that it's been doing for a long time. So let's say for example, I'm training a client that for whatever reason, my makeup scenario, they wear high heels all the time. So they walk in high heels all the time. So they've developed the recruitment pattern where their body gets really good at walking in high heels. And then I put them in flat shoes, but I tell them to run as fast as they can. What'll end up happening is their body will revert to the high heel recruitment pattern because that's the one that it knows the most. So what happens when you go heavy is you're gonna continue to solidify poor recruitment patterns and it's gonna be hard or if not impossible to change those recruitment patterns even if you add a lot of mobility work. So ideally what you would do is you would go back off on the weight, back off on the intensity, focus on mobility, focus on skill and technique. Don't push the intensity because it automatically throws your technique back to what you're used to doing. Do that for a while until the problems are solved until the new recruitment pattern is solidified. Then go back to lifting heavy. I 100% agree. Who's that? Who's that? They got a question. Sorry. Did you snap at your mom? No. I 100% agree with Sal. I do believe though you can still go heavy. You just gotta train with like this mindset. So let's say, what happens a lot of times someone's following a program, if they're following like a MAPS program, they see on the program that this set I'm supposed to do six to eight reps and you load the bar up with a weight that you think you do that. Now, what ends up happening, let's say at rep four, it's getting kind of heavy and hard but you definitely can get six to eight and you push through and you get your six to eight but on reps five and six, you kind of shimmy a little bit or the form isn't perfect and breaks down. If you're focused on the mobility aspect and correcting imbalances and that's where our focus is, I'm stopping the set at four. So, you know, even though I can get five so it still allows you to go kind of heavy and challenge yourself. Your intensity is low. But I'm not worried about the rep range that my programming is or what I, I care so much about form that the minute I feel that it's going to break down, I'm stopping the rep right there. Well, I'm gonna add to that in terms of like going less reps but also like stopping right before, you know, you see that sort of discrepancy have you, you lean into that and you make it an isometric exercise. And so now I'm like, I'm slowly like really addressing it and honing it on and trying to actively recruit more muscle fibers to provide support. And so, but again, you'll be able to find that, you know, with less weight and your body's gonna be able to be trained a lot more efficiently that way to be able to kind of get past that one discrepancy. Yeah, whatever you train, you get stronger at. So you strengthen what you train. And if you train a poor recruitment pattern, then that's what's gonna become strong for you. So in order to change that, you gotta back off and work with a different and train a new recruitment pattern. And that takes a little bit of time. But here's the good news. Once you do it, you'll surpass what you did before. If you don't do it, it's gonna be very hard if not impossible to get out of the place that you're in now. I'm reading your question now too. I see it up on the screen right now. And you say your hip dips a little bit when you come out of the squat. Yeah, so I usually feel it like I said in my question, I can only feel it when I go very, very heavy. And it's not until after I start feeling just the left side of that erector, spinae, and I can feel it like if I go in for another set, it feels like I pushed something too hard or that there is like a discrepancy there. So I dialed back for the past like two to three months. And my squats feel a lot better. But I guess my question was, should I continue to maintain strength by pushing the heavy weight, but not going past that point of where everything starts breaking down? Yeah, no, I would definitely not go past or hit your max at all. You don't wanna be dealing with, if you're constantly feeling that shift while you're also trying to correct it, you're just gonna be stuck in a loop the whole time. Do you have maps prime pro? Yeah, that's where I'm going with this. I don't. Okay, we're gonna send that to you because that's the program that you should focus on. And I would do mobility movements for hips, ankles, and feet several times a day. Spend about five to 10 minutes several times every single day working on those movements. And then when you work out, drop the intensity and it's all about technique and thought. Have you ever filmed your feet when you squat? I actually film myself quite a lot. And I just filmed my squat the other day. I have a slight, what is it? A pronation when I come up. It's like so slight, but. That's what's causing the hip shift. Just so you know, that's what's causing the hip shift too. Yeah, and if you're. That's what's happening is the side that's pronating and opening up, you're shifting on the opposite side. So, and then that's also why you're feeling it on one side of your erectors. Yeah, and because you're strong and you're lifting heavy weight, I see here that you're aiming for a thousand pound total. Wow, yeah, that's the goal. Which is tremendous, right? The slightest discrepancy between right and left, it doesn't make that big of a difference when you're lifting a hundred pounds. You start lifting 200, 300 pounds, now it makes a big difference. So, and I mean, honestly, I could literally put, if I put a quarter of an inch rise in somebody who's strong in one of their shoes, they will develop some serious problems within a very short period of time. You give that to somebody who's not lifting very heavy, they might not notice for a long time. So, because you're pushing your body, because you're really strong, this is very important. Yeah, that makes sense. All right, well, thanks for calling in. All right, thank you guys. No problem. That's pretty damn strong. Yeah, it's really strong, it's pretty impressive. But yeah, you know, this is an example I've used before. I'll say it again just for the audience, if they've never heard this, but let's say you've always only ever typed with your two index fingers, you know, the hunt and peck method of typing, and you've done that for years, you're pretty fast with your two index fingers. If I go and then try to get you to type properly using all of your fingers, you're gonna be slower at the better method at first. So, if somebody came to you and said, type as fast as you can, you would have to revert to your old method because that's your recruitment pattern. That's what you're best at. The new method, there's a learning curve before it surpasses the old method. So, it's the same thing with recruitment patterns with exercise. It takes a whole lot of reps too. So, you have to be very patient with this new approach. And so, that's just something you're, you're gonna have to reconcile with that. It's gonna take a while. Now, the positive though is that you're also gonna see benefits though, besides just that, like the speed of it, you're also gonna see your body still changing because you're still progressing. Everybody thinks progressing always has to be me putting more weight on the bar. If you're working on mobility, getting a greater range of motion, you have better stability and control, the body will show results. So, you could technically still lean out or add muscle and look better and feel better and show progression there, even though you may see a dramatic reduction in your squat. A better squat with lighter weight is gonna give you better results than a heavier squat. That's not as good. So, that's just the bottom line. Look, thanks for listening to the show. If you like our information, head over to mindpumpfree.com. 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