 that I saw. So I want to talk about data protection, because Jim, in part now, your expertise, your chief strategy officer, you're looking out at these trends, that's one area that I think is ripe for change. What are your thoughts on that? Well, I think, the first thing I have to give, John, Kudo, I think what we have to do is write a book for software vendors called In Search of White Space. Because that's what we do, as independent software vendors, we're always looking for that place where we can add value and differentiate and be ahead of the VMworlds, the Microsofts, the Citrix. It's like running in front of a steamroller. That's our job, right? That's what we do. So in the case of data protection, the reason that's always been a very fertile area for independent software vendors is because it's absolutely critical and essential. It's a must-have. It's like security for cloud is a must-have. Data protection universally has got to be there. And just like security has to be in the cloud, data protection's a guarantee. You have to have it. If your cloud provider can't tell you that, your data's more secure and better protected in the cloud than it is in your enterprise, end of conversation. And VMware doesn't mind partnering there, too, because they have bigger fish to fry. I mean, they got a platform they're rolling out. It's very similar to Windows, right? It's like Windows is a massive platform for the desktop, and they really look to their partners to fill in some key, you know what I'm saying? It's kind of similar. It wasn't until Microsoft said, we no longer do backup in Azure. We're just always up. In some ways, that was kind of the first way. Microsoft really said, okay, we're in the data protection space in a big way, but it's in their cloud. It's not five nines with Azure. It's always everything. All the time, you know? So it's a very different conversation. In the case of the cloud, when you're moving data, you're always going to have data in the private cloud and the enterprise, and you're going to have data in the public cloud. So one of the big questions you have to think about when you're picking a data protection solution is how are you going to get it back out? You know, a lot of these clouds are going to become like Hotel California. You know, you can check in, but you can never leave. And if you want to move from an Amazon cloud to a Google cloud because you're going to save a nickel a gigabyte, which turns into a couple of million dollars a year, how are you going to move it? So you're saying diversity of cloud usage. Mobility, mobility, mobility.