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The show where people with surprisingly long IMDb lists credits come together to talk animation, all things creative and which days of the week are appropriate to name your kids. I am your host for this episode, Yusuf Adiola. And with me, my wonderful co-host is... My name is Keri Chakras. Hello. And I think there's only two days of the week that work. But we'll hear from our other guests about this exact same topic. We've got Erin Nguyen. Hello. Hey. Hey. And we've got Noelle Wiggins. Hi. Yo, yo, what is up, what is up? New friend, new friend. New friend, who this, new friend, who this? Well, recurring friend, new guest. I mean, you know. That's a really good lower third to name yourself. Recurring friend. By the way, can I say that beat at the top? Oh, I'm loving that beat. It's hard in the paint, hard in the paint. I love that beat. I was jamming to that beat that whole time. It's that Richie Branson. It's that Richie Branson love. Get it, Eesa, get it, Eesa. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, I like it. Thanks, Noelle. Hang on, guys, I miss you. I know, seriously. It's been a while. It's been a little bit, since we got it really together. And we got Noelle in here for the first time. Thanks for having me. Super excited, super excited to be here. Noelle, do you want to talk about a little bit about what you do with our team? Who are you? I am Noelle Serrate Wiggins. That is my full name. And I am a producer on Red vs. Blue Zero that comes out on Mondays. I don't know if I'm supposed to say it now, but I just wanted to hype it up. Mondays, 10 AM, Red vs. Blue Zero. It's so good on the roosteath.com website. And I'm also a writer, voice actor. I get the opportunity to play Raymond. It's so much fun. Please watch the show. We love it. I love it. I love you. You love me. We're a happy family. Are we allowed to do that? Are we allowed to do that? We just did it. I do remember that you may have, when I wasn't here and I was on break, you may have stopped by to talk about some cheese things. And I don't know if, how I feel about those things, but we'll bring it to that later. I got a question for you. I got a question for you. It's a little rough. So would you eat ranch by itself? Would you eat gravy by itself? Personally? I wouldn't eat ranch with anything. But by itself is really the question. Because my stance on cheese is, cheese is okay, it's all good in my book, as long as it complements something else, but cheese by itself, that's problematic. Problematic. Immoral, alphabetical. All right, I guess I'm a demon over here because I'll eat a block cheese with something else. That's what I'm wondering. And so my head, I'm just thinking, would anyone want to eat gravy by itself? Would you want to eat? I feel like some people would, not me personally. Would you trust that person? Would you trust that person if you saw them eating gravy? That's how I kind of feel when I see people eating blocks and cheese by itself. But Erin, I love you, I think you're great, I trust you. I'll try not to eat any blocks and cheese in front of it. No, well, is your issue with it that, so if you're just eating like a cube of cheese, is it like it's like raw cheese? It's the texture, it's the way it makes me feel inside. It's the way that- Emotionally or tumbling? Yeah, are you like, does it tolerate? No, no, not, I don't think so. I'll have to do further research, but only if I eat like a full large piece of by itself, then things get a little dicey, but other than that, I think I'm pretty good. It's really just the texture, it's the, it's like the, it just tastes awful sometimes, but you know, you know. Someone in chat, ZZZ Scott, I'm assuming it's someone named Scott. Someone in chat goes, Noelle brings the shit up every meeting. I didn't bring it up, I didn't bring it up. I think that Scott Morgan. No, I brought it up one time, but everyone wants to talk about it because it's such a controversial stance that I have. Because they just want to argue with you at this point. And I'm cool with that, you know, I'm a producer on Red vs. Blue during the day, but then I moonlight as a contrarian sometimes, so I'm all about that, I'm all about that. And by the way, I know we said we're gonna talk about Ruby and RVB. Ruby's also out premiering now every Saturday at 10 a.m. But buckle up, this is the next 45 minutes. Okay, Noelle. Oh, wait, milk. Yes, milk. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, we have one more thing we have to talk about. We do have one more thing. And then we'll get to the cheese. And then we'll get to the cheese because extra life is happening. Yeah. Put up that thing, guys. If you're ready, donate to donate.roosterteeth.com. We are already starting. This is dope. Extra life is happening now. Whoop, whoop, Chad, Joe, fuck. I said Joe. Jack. Chad, Jack and Katie have been wonderful this year and even throughout the entire pandemic, they have effortless, not effortlessly, with effort. Yes. Have tried to schedule. With effort and passion and care. And passion and care and courage, which is the first year. Courage? We are still moving forward with extra life regardless of what happens. Yeah. It's a big community week this week. And then this Saturday, it's from 10 to 10, 12 hours. Doing a big stream. So that's donate all week, donate all week. And then also come here. And this is where, if you can, this is where you open the wallet. And you just like, for the kids. For the kids. It's for the kids. For the kids. None of us have kids, but I don't have kids. You can have your kids like Friday and Wednesday, but we, I think those are the only two days that everyone was comfortable with naming their kids. I feel like Monday is a good last name. Monday is great. I can see that. So when this came up, I'm going to derail from cheese slightly, which I don't want to do. So you said the, is his name Rupert, right? Yeah, Rupert Grinnett. Who plays Ronald Weasley and Harry Potter has had a spawn. It's what it is. And her name is Wednesday. Yeah, I love that name. Which is a very pretty name. That's what we're talking about. And Friday, we're talking about works. It's, you know, it's not a super common name recently. You know, an Ironman AI, which just makes the name very cool. Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday, Sunday, no. No. No. And then we started talking, OK. We talked about so much shit in the last 20 minutes before this. All of that potential content. What's the worst day, though? Like, I don't think anyone really likes Monday in general. Maybe some people do. No, I'm not. Monday's got a pretty negative connotation to it. Hawaii's got a stigma to it. Cat once said, I hate Mondays. A case of the Mondays, yes. Because here's the thing. Friday, that's like, oh, I'm done with my week. Oh, thank goodness, right? So that's a positive. Wednesday, hump day, you're in the middle. It's like, I can see I'm towards the end. Monday. Yeah. So Tuesday, Thursday, Sunday, Monday, though. Well, is that Sunday? It's pretty Monday. I use Sundays to dwell and think about Mondays. So I just write Sundays, because that's what I'm using. I. So other than you guys with I have notes because this is whenever we record it, Tuesdays are not my favorite days of the week. Why? Why? No, no, because you guys are my bright spot. We're the only thing that makes it. The only thing that makes it variable Tuesdays. I'm kind of just like Tuesday is the post Monday. You know, you're like, OK, I got through Monday. And then Tuesday, it's like, oh, man, there's still the rest. It's not quite when right Tuesday. Tuesday is the hangover of Monday. Monday has potential. Monday has potential. Monday's potential Tuesday is the grim reminder that this is just another week. Wednesday, you're like, cool. I'm halfway there. Yeah, Thursday, think about Fridays. I think you just use Thursdays to think about Fridays and get excited for Friday. So that's like the pregame situation. This is all been really. I love this conversation. This is very good. Anyways, back to what we're talking about. Noel, do you drink milk? I. Almond milk. I'm not a I'm nothing from the team. See, we did this with three. So like, no, I need to look in this direction because it makes me look like I'm engaging with carry. So I'm just looking. This is how I talk to people, I guess now. I forgot how to talk to people. So milk, I do enjoy milk. But as of right now, currently in my life, I live in the almond milk world. I know a lot of people aren't a fan of the almond milk world. Am I still on camera? No, I am. I am a I'm a fan of the almond milk. Apparently it it does bad things for bees. And I also like bees. Oh, shit, doesn't. Yeah, I guess you smoke. It's a mom and almond almond. Oh, yeah, you know, you know, it's recreational. It's recreational. I think it's legal. I think so. You know, we don't know what state you're in right now. No one does. No one does. Yeah, in Amsterdam. So that's. So OK, so it's not dairy. That's the problem. It's just cheese. OK, OK, it's just cheese. But OK, I will say this, I will say this. I don't necessarily have the most sophisticated palate. I will admit to that. I will say in my rank of cheeses, Velvita is pretty damn high on there. So I know about. Exactly. Now I'm starting to understand the problem. That's. I was going to eat some. No, well said, like, I don't have a very sophisticated palate, like, OK, so you basically grew up in the last like, or no, you basically live your last 10 years on chicken nuggets, right? Oh, OK, real talk, though, real talk. Let's not besmirch the nuggies. I will say I will say this. Yeah, like when it comes to like chicken nuggets and fries, the more fake they are, the more I cannot pronounce the ingredients. Oh, the better it tastes. The better it takes. I don't know what's in riboflavin or red 13. I don't know what that is. I just know it tastes yummy yummy. That's a red 13, which is because of the final seven. I am tweeting right now. Let's not besmirch the nuggies. Let's not besmirch. Let's not besmirch the nuggies. I just need that to be archived somewhere. Just so that's the thumbnail for the week. No, I'm going to get you like a. I was just having a like a change. Many have tried. Many have tried. Many have. OK, I mean, if there's extras on the cheese plate, if you got a little meat over here, you got a little cracker action over here. You got some fruit and some wine. That's all I know. I'm all about it. That's it. That's it. But if it's like just straight cheese, I'm flipping that thing over out of my face. It's OK. You flip it to me. I'll eat all of your cheese. Yes, seriously. I'll be your human cheese disposal unit. I'll just air it. I'll be like at the edge of the table with our mouths open. Pour it in me. What's your favorite cheese? What's your favorite cheese? Oh, Gouda 100. Good. Smoked Gouda, especially. Yum. Yum. Talk here. We need to do a tier list of cheese on a sandwich. Pour it alone. Oh, OK, OK. And then if not, whatever cheese is used for queso. I don't. Oh, I will say this. If I could pick a cheese that is my favorite. And you do have to right now. OK, I'll do it. I'll do it. I picked Swiss. But really, it's not because of the taste. I'll be honest, it's not because of the taste. It's because of the holes. It's because of I grew up with Tom and Jerry and every cheese that shows up in a cartoon is always Swiss. And so I'm all about I'm all about the cartoon cheeses. That makes sense. Issa, I was with you. I was like, he just picked the cheese that has the least cheese in it. It has a built in cheese deficit. He's cheating the fucking system. You can say, oh, I had a slice. What I had a slice. Was it 25% less? Yes. What's the cheese that smells like a fart? What's that? Oh, it's blue cheese. Oh, yeah. Or what about is it Limburger cheese? Is that what? Oh, yeah. That's one of those real nasty boys. Maybe it's maybe. Oh, Oh, Issa is doing the hand. OK, I see what you're doing. OK, that's that's an emoji in the iPhone. Maybe that's the reason why maybe I was scarred by the fact that it just smells like poo gas. I don't know. And it does. It does. You're not wrong. You're not. Also, did you all see the best emoji that got added to iOS ever that I need slack to get right now? It's a smiling, crying face. Wait, really? Yeah, I was updated it. It's like, you can upload. You can upload your customer. That's true. I'll grab it. They did that. They added the like, I don't know what else to call this besides the like, like, I don't want to say anything offensive, accidentally, but they added this. I don't know what they call it pinched fingers. The new iOS, you can actually search for emojis now. Thank God. Yeah. Yes. Oh, am I am I the only person here? Who's like rocking a pixel? Am I the only person who's not? You are the only person on this board right now. Yeah, I had so I would. So we all text right now. I would be the green. The green one. Yeah. You just see Carrie Shotcross laughed at your text. Yeah. It's like, how do I how do I leave this chat? I don't want to. Well, hey, we talked about getting some questions. Yes. And there was one particular we got a bunch that everybody who tweeted this and thank you, but one that maybe Noel, you could talk a little bit that will inspire you and also command you to to talk a little bit about your RVB experiences. Do we want to there's one from just a shadow 99. How did he get involved with RVB zero? The he being Noel. That's a that's a great question. Let's see. It all started when you get start from the womb. Go ahead. Exactly. I was going to say that it was a dark and gloomy day. No, so with with with with red versus blue, how did I get involved? I usually try to restate the question. That's how I've been taught to do things. So how did I get involved in red versus blue zero? I got involved because of my very awesome, super amazingly talented friend named Tori and Crawford, who is the vision behind red versus blue zero out on Mondays 10 a.m. on the rich street dot com. We watch it, tell a friend and tell a friend to watch it. Let's go. But yeah, you know, me and Tori and we we go we go back a little bit, right? And so, right, right, right. And so I'll say this, here's how it all kind of really started. One, Tori is an animator. And whenever I was getting into this, do I want to be a filmmaker? Do I want to? What do I want to be in life? I started by learning to be an audio engineer, a sound designer. And the thing is what I learned is that a lot of people take sound for granted a lot of the time and sound is very important. You can watch a silent film. But if you were to watch like a blockbuster and the and the audio is trash, oh, it's taking you out of the taking you out of the movie. It's 50 percent of the content. Exactly. Exactly. Super important. So I kind of, you know, like got my way into the industry, so to speak by Torian was was was animating amazing 3D death battles on death battle and screw attack. And I remember I got a chance to kind of meet a couple of the guys there. I got a chance to meet Sam Mitchell, who I know he's listening to this. Sam is a man. Sean, he's making the thumbnail live right now. And so I met a live cam and so I met a lot of people. And the thing I noticed with Torian, he's going to get mad at me. But I was like, bro, your your sound effects are straight. How the French say, look, our boss, they're not good. So I was like, dude, let me do it for you. Let me let me send you what I got here. What I got. And then I think the first thing that I sent him was actually he did a death battle. I think it was it was Yang versus Tifa, if I'm not mistaken. And so I did a little demo through some sound design in it and then sent it his way. And then that kind of got the ball rolling in terms of being able to show that I had a service to provide. So I got a chance to meet Torian, got a chance to meet the team. Got it in my way. Sound guy Wiggins. That was it, right? But then at the time, I was also a camera guy. I was also a DP. So I knew a lot of things. I'm like the Mario in Mario Kart. Pretty well rounded, not the fastest, not the heaviest, not the lightest, all that stuff, but just kind of right in the middle. So I was pretty well rounded. So anyway, Torian is Torian. We all know and love him. He's done amazing death battles and worked on more death battles and more death battles. And now Torian also started to pitch the idea of what would become Red versus Blue Zero. And then soon as he got that thing all ready to go, came to me and was like, hey, Noel. And then I said, I'll do it. And then he said, I didn't explain anything yet. And I was like, don't matter. I'll do it. And he's like, would you want to write for Red versus Blue Zero? And I was like, oh, hell yeah, bro. Let's go. Let's do this. And so that's how I kind of got lucky. You know, it's not necessarily about who you know. Sometimes it's who knows you. But just be ready. You know, be ready to learn, be ready to work hard. And you know, when those opportunities happen and you get lucky, you're ready to go. So yeah, other than that, Red versus Blue Zero comes out on Mondays, 10 AM, Central Standard Time on the RedSteed.com website. Let's go. My favorite part is that Mike is going to just put that bottom that lower third up. Yeah, I'll I'll I'll start swapping swapping in the ruby ones. And well, it'll be a game for like, which one do I pick? Whichever. Well, yeah, we've only made it out Saturdays 10 AM, Central. Let's abolish daily savings time because it's dark out at five fifty and it makes me depressed. I know. No, I mean, I think talking like, you know, creative stuff, like I think you bring up a really good point, too, is that, like you and this is what we talked about on the show before, like you got your foot in the door. Yeah, you you were doing something you enjoyed, but wasn't necessarily maybe the thing you want to do forever. But you use as an opportunity to get in to get to know people. You know, I think that that's super valid. I mean, like I started out doing machinima and editing and doing some sound design stuff, although it's terrible. I mean, I, you know, none of us here, and it's very rare. Like you don't start where you want to be. And I think, you know, sometimes I think it's OK if it's better to get a job in the industry in any subject than to not get one, even if it's not exactly the department you want or like the specialty you want, if that makes sense. But then you get to learn, you know, you get to learn the the the different, you know, positions, the different phases of production. And like everything to me, even if I didn't enjoy doing it, everything became a tool that I would just put in the toolbox, you know, just kind of just kind of let it rest in the toolbox there. So, you know, I started out learning audio and it actually helped me learn and grow as an artist because I was because I started with audio and realized how important it was. It started to guide how I started to tell stories. And so I'm a huge fan of I should I should be the one to say this correctly. But it's like diagetic type sounds where it's like you sounds that happen within the world. But yeah, so like I learned audio. You know, I was also a PA at times. I worked on reality shows being like a like a like a camop and assistant camera, which, by the way, absolutely hated those experiences. But again, tools in the toolbox. And and then, you know, like now I get to I'm lucky enough that I get to write. I get to co direct with Torian Crawford and Joshua Kazemi. If you're not following those dudes on Twitter, you're wrong. So please follow them. They're amazing, talented individuals. And then, you know, now I'm learning how to produce as well. I don't really know what I'm doing half the time as a producer. But hey, you know, tools in the toolbox. It is. I mean, every, you know, every step you take along the path is one more thing where, you know, when when something comes up involving sound design, oh, you know, you at least you at least can begin to approach it, right? Exactly. You know, like you're going to we can we're going to leave that up to the experts. But you have an idea, you know. And and that's I think super helpful, especially if anybody who wants to do something in like a more like lead directorial producer role is like, you do kind of have to be a generalist. Yeah. Yeah. There's kind of no way around that. And my favorite thing to do is because I know specific, you know, jargon and terms, I love to go to those experts and then use them incorrectly. I love to go to Alina. I love to go to Chris. I love to go to Philip, especially regarding sound. And I just love to use these terms just interchangeably. It doesn't make any sense. It's absolutely wrong. But I love I love to do it. I love to know the next time we're doing something and with with mix or something like that, I just need you to ask Chris or Philip like just be like, hey, do you think we should we should crystallize that alterboy? Crystallize it, normalize it. You know, just go ahead and do it. Just just bring that up. Can we crunch that audio? Can we make it sound distorted? Can we do that, please? Yeah. What do you think would be better here? A low pass or a you know, I'm just I'm not sure. But what do you see? Who wants that? We need to be at zero. We need to be above zero, actually. I know they're loving this. I don't know if I'm feeling the LFE. Let's get that equalizer. Let's go ahead and throw that into it. I'm not even interested on it. You guys are killing me. Let's suppress the noise right there. Let's let's let's let's de-click that right now. I love doing that. I love doing it. I said the worst. Yeah. Yeah. What I what I love to do, though, is I as I love to tell them like certain inspirations. So I'll be like, you know, can you make that sound more like a more like the iron giant or more like a, you know, that that cave of wonders from Aladdin, you know that. Yeah. Yeah. Can you make that happen? Can you the diamond in the rough? Can you make that happen? I love that. I usually just say things like wetter. Wetter or drier. Can we make that wetter by like 80 percent, please? Yeah. Yeah. Can we can we crank the dry dial down to a hundred percent? Dry dial. Hey, let's let's do another question so that we can get away from this. Let's do our East. Is it you have one that you would like to to start a conversation about or with or from? Choice to go has a question. That's a good one. That's a good one. I've been very interested in. What is the average amount of energy drinks or cups of coffee slash to consume during a production? But also what kind of struggles have we had trying to communicate or work from home or maybe like during work from home if there's troubles in communication there? Oof. Aaron, how many? Oh, there's one carry. I'll say this. I try not to do energy drinks. I'm really bad about them. Like as in I can't handle them. I don't think my liver can handle them. Example, I one time I had a five hour energy and I was like, yo, I got another five hour energy. Oh, no. Clearly, clearly. But if my math is correct. Yes. Ten hours. I drink both of them, literally just down them. Within one hour, I fell asleep. So I think I kind of went past it and then went to zero. Well, your body has measures in it to stop you from time traveling. I've told this story before, but one time during RVP 10 and things were not going well. I may have taken a five hour energy shot and thought, oh, this will wake me up. I hope I'm not getting sick though from lack of sleep. Let me pour an emergency packet in this. And it's innovative, innovative. I do appreciate it. It's save time. I do think that it. I think that's why I have acid reflux now. But I. Caffeine is important. Drink water. That's more important. Sometimes we'll wake you up even more. So you have to be drinking water all day long. I personally. Don't gotta get this food on too. I also take any medication. So I try not to drink caffeine in the morning. Because that already is like enough. But usually like at lunch, I'll have like, like tea or soda or something. And then like at like two or three, I'll have like an energy drink to kind of just like give me through the end of the day. That's been my normal lately. It used to be a lot worse. Before I get to ask you, Aaron, because I miss always seeing you make tea and or coffee in the kitchen. I want to point out that Caesar in chat, Kaiser geyser goes Red Bull tastes like swampy witch ass, but like Thanos. It is inevitable. Red Bull to me tastes like does anyone remember Mr. Bubble? No. Okay. So as a kid, if you want to, as a kid, if you wanted to take a bubble bath, you had Mr. Bubble. Oh, yeah. My age right now, by the way. But I used to accidentally drink it. What? All the time. And so to me, One time. Noel makes sense. Yeah, but many times. It's inevitable. You know, you're, you're, you're playing the bubbles. You're having fun. Your mouth is open sometimes. And you know, you drink out of the bottle. You know, just, but to me, Red Bull tastes like what I remember Mr. Bubble tasted like. So I just, just throwing that out there. Just, just a little tidbit, little factoid right there. Speaking, I mean, speaking of RVB Red Bull tastes like ass. It's an old joke. I, I hate normal Red Bull. I've grown to really love sugar-free Red Bull. Mmm. Controversial. I know. He said, Aaron, Aaron. What is your caffeine intake like? I'll usually have two to three cups of coffee a day before 5 p.m. After 5 p.m. I try to stop. Smart. And we've been in quarantine working from home for like eight months now. Don't say that. However many days that is. What's in between, what's your in between like from one cup to the other? Like how much time goes by? I don't know. Sometimes I'm just like really craving like the coffee taste. It's not even the caffeine. I think it's just like. Oh, the taste. The coffee and the sugar. Yeah. Sensation. So sometimes, sometimes it'll be like one after the other. Sometimes I'll be like, this is a bit too much. Maybe I'll slow down a bit and I'll go for like an hour. Gotta go fast. You gotta go fast. Yeah. It is a very deep flavor. It is rich. What's your favorite type of coffee? I know nothing about coffee. I neither know why. I'll just drink whatever I have. Is it the. If I have milk and sugar, like that's all I need. The Huntress roast coffee that we have. Oh, nice. Good one. I don't remember. Honestly, that whatever we have at the office, I don't know how long I've forgotten about it. That's like in the Stone Age. I don't. What? Animation office. To me, all coffee is Folgers to me. That's really it. What? But it's just because Folgers. The brand Folgers. There's a basic tier. The best part of waking up. Okay. Folgers in your cup. That's pretty much it. Look, I started drinking coffee and then. It was like a year after I started going out with my SO. My SO is kind of like. To put it. We're coffee snobs now. I don't ever drink like medium roast. We don't have. We haven't gotten to light roast yet. But medium roast arguably has more caffeine than dark. But there's that. It's like that taste, that flavor profile. Yeah. There's this one time that I had a. We had a. We were over a friend's house and we asked. We like, oh, we really need a caffeine kick. And so our friend made coffee. And they made Folgers. And we were like, oh, this is interesting. And we tried it. And we looked at each other because we were both like. Oh, this is actually really good. Oh, I think you're saying like you spit it in their face. No, it was. We were legitimate. Like. That's for the hot coffee on top of it. Yeah. Would you try that one coffee? It's like super expensive. It's like. Is it poop? It's the one that gets pooped out. Yeah. Yeah. It's like elephant poop, right? So you never want to try it. What? Okay. Okay. Why? No, I'm not. Interested and horrified. I guess we're close on the sliders, but no. It's supposed to be the digestive tract breaks it down and yada, yada, yada. Then when you poop it out and you let it dry and then you roast it. It's supposed to be delish. We need that emoji. I'll leave it as supposed to be. It's like. I feel like that's like what rich people try to make like stuff that you shouldn't be eating. Oh, yeah. A delicacy like, you know, as cargo or. Yeah. Cabbage. I only eat poopy coffee. You know, I just like, it doesn't, it doesn't, it doesn't sound good. I want to mention that if you guys haven't noticed, we're over 200,000 for extra life. Thank you to Juan who donated. Oh, this is really cute. Juan donated 2000 with a message. Go watch recorded by our assault. Oh, thank you guys. That's amazing. Holy crap. And also. Watch it for the kids. You should go watch recorded by our assault, especially. Look, now you've got, look, I mean, I don't even think you need, you don't need a first membership to do it, but you've got your first membership now because you're definitely watching Ruby at 10 a.m. every Saturday. And then RVB at 10, 10 a.m. every Monday. You've got all this content. And ESA, speaking of the time that we're at is, is there maybe like a good place that people could watch all that content now? A good place roosterteeth.com has a new app for living rooms. Yeah. I just got a living room through my list. I got Roku Xbox, Apple TV, Amazon Fire TV. You can now watch roosterteeth on an app. It's live and it's available. Yeah. And you can go do that. Yeah. It's easier and easier to watch our stuff. You've got all of those. You can like Chromecast the app. Like it's, we're trying to make it easy. But yeah. And even if you, even if you have a living room, you can still use that living room app in like other rooms. So you can use it wherever you want. Bedroom. It's true. Big. The police will not break down the doors if you turn on the living room app in the bedroom. It's OK. I did want to get to that second half of the question as well. Yeah. Choice ago I asked, which was, I forgot what it was. If there's any working from home, has there been any kind of breakdowns in, let me bring it up because I'm paraphrasing. I think I'm really wrong. What kind of struggles did you guys have when trying to communicate or like working from home when it comes to production? I've got one. If people are still thinking. I think the recent one that I've kind of like, because it's been this like constant, have another month go by and then like look back and be like, what is working? What is not working? I think the thing like I miss the most or like that is we're having to find a new way to do things is like those five minute conversations you have with people. Yeah. You know, like it used to be so easy to just be like, I need to talk to you about something. Let me just like go by your desk real quick. And we can't do any more. Now it's like, we have to schedule everything like, because we need to be able to like, you know, people are in more meetings now. Yeah. And it's just, it's a lot harder to just be like, I just need to talk to this person real quick. It turns into a bigger deal because it's not worth 30 minutes. So yeah, I know that that's been, that I think that's been the new hardest part is just like, how to, how to keep in touch without making it a huge deal. Yeah. Kind of going off of that. Like just the fact that we used to be in all in the same room, either like doing a review or looking over like footage or whatever. And like, if there's ever a like piece of feedback or like a critique that comes up, we don't really get the read of the room anymore. If that makes sense. It's hard to know what other people are thinking. Like, is this good? Is it bad? Like what can be like, that's just not there. Yeah. Even though some like, most of us will have webcams on. Right. But it's not quite the same. I don't know how to explain it really. It's not the same. Yeah. I would piggyback off of that because there has been, or not it has been, but I've been thinking about this a lot about like the idea of text literacy because there is that distinct distinction where, you know, there's been these studies that majority of women feel like they have to sound more appealing. Oh, yeah. Text, right? It's always exclamation points or like this kind of passive tone or use emojis. Yep. We all know it. And that way you sound friendlier. And so even when working in-house with contractors, I think we've come across a lot of different people who are not exactly like emotionally intelligent when it comes to portraying themselves online just through text because it's harder to read like the subtext. You think about, you have to think about what you're typing out and then send it out. So therefore like that's it. You know, you can't just say something off the cuff and in person and just be like, oh, ha ha. You like you, you understand this mutual like idea of sarcasm. Whereas if you do it online, you have to be like, you'd have to type 90 words per minute just so you can really say ha ha JK like really fast. Yeah. I mean, like if you, if you say something to somebody in person and like you can tell by their expression that like, oh wait, no, I said that poorly. Wait, wait. Sorry. Let me clarify. I'm going to wait while it says they're typing for five minutes and sweat. I should have put an emoji. What did I say? The thing that I, the thing that I find that I've learned is I have a new pet peeve and it's like when someone is asking me a question through our messaging app, they'll, they'll risk their first message will be, Hey, I got a question. And then, and then like, and then I just sit there in anticipation just waiting, watching the little boat. I was just like, Yo, what's the question fam? Like, come on now. Come on. 40 seconds and went by what is, please tell me what is it? It's even more frustrating when it's like a really long span of time. And when you finally get the message, it's just like one or two words. That's it. Yeah. So like, I will say though, the, maybe the thing that I find as a pro in this situation, it actually is probably not, but I'll say it like it is with confidence. Yeah. It's a pro if you make it a pro. I have, I have realized that I multitask so often that I probably shouldn't be doing it in the meetings, but I, I'm doing a bunch of things at the same time. And the thing is, I do it so well now that when, whenever that time comes, when we go back in the office, I don't know how I'm going to do that anymore. I'm so worried about it. But, Yeah. If I'm in a meeting on my laptop and like typing while I'm listening, I can do that, but it looks super rude. But, but now I just turned off my camera. I'm like, I just didn't feel like it today. Oh my God. Big move. It's going to be interesting to adjust, but I also really miss it. So, Yeah. I miss, I miss everybody. I miss everybody. That was a good question. Let's go to another question. Yeah, let's do it. I'm scrolling back up to our list. Yeah. You, you. Yeah. I can do it. This, this will be, be fun. I think for a bunch of us. Let's see the one from. Mavacore. Mavacore. Mavacore. How much creativity do you have in animation when translating a script to visuals? Pretty, pretty broad question. I think we could all tackle like different ways. No, I mean, what's it like, you know, being a co-writer and a co-director and, working with a director, like how, how has that been? It's actually been, Give us the juice. Oh, Oh, here's the juice. Here's the juice, baby. Juicest. It's been, it's actually been really, really fun and really inspiring because, you know, Torian is all about the collaboration. So for one, I would say the first thing I'll answer is, for me being a co-director as well as a co-writer, I know that it's also my job to help Torian achieve his vision. Torian has a very clear vision. Now, now, mind you, even though he has a very clear vision, super open for collaboration. And, and that starts to, you know, span across the entire team. So, how much control do I get regarding like from script to visuals? I, to answer that question, I get control, but you know, like with that collaboration, so like perfect example, right? So, I'll just give you like a real world example. Peter Deng, Joe Vic, Torian Crawford are probably some of the most amazing, like, animators that I've had a chance to work with, especially when it comes to like the fight choreography. They've been tackling a majority of the, of the action sequences in Red vs. Blue Zero. That comes out on Mondays at 10 a.m. to just say every time, on the riskcheese.com website, let's go. But, you know, for me, oh, there it is, there it is. Red vs. Blue Zero out now. New episodes Monday at 10 a.m. session at time. Exclamation point. Um, and sometimes I'll, I want to give them the space to be creative, to do what they do so well. And it, regarding animation, sometimes I'll write things cause like, I'll say, oh, this happens, and then this happens, and then this kick happens, and then they go up here and da, da, da, da. But sometimes I try to keep it a little loose so that when I see it, and I see what they're kicking out, oh, I'm just blown away. And then it makes me feel like I'm a God, cause I'm like, yeah. I help that by literally writing one agent one fights. And then out of that, out of that, this amazing tapestry of choreography comes out, and I'm like, oh, I'm good, I'm good, I'm so good at this. But, but, but yeah, like when it comes to that control, we're always about trying to hand that control to other people so that, you know, everyone can kind of chip in, throw in a little bit of themselves into it, and really, you know, I trust them to be the professionals that they are, and the reality is we all are, and we all just help each other go up this ladder of amazingness. And so, you know, I guess super long-winded answer, you know, you get control, but you definitely want to allow other people to have their piece of the pie, so to speak. So, I hope that answered your question. I mean, yeah, I think so, absolutely. I got to be hyped. Yeah. Oh, hyped. Yes, please. I wanted to, yeah, Erin from, Erin from Care, You Me, Same Brain, from an art director from Vue, how do you end up translating from the script to character design or giving any notes? I was all going the wrong way, fuck. Perfect. Sounds great. Yeah, what is that process like for you? Do you end up reading scripts first or even then, is there something in the scripts that you always have to like, remember? Whatever you're designing. Well, usually, like, pretty much everybody on Ruby is like required to read the scripts, like even if you're not, like an artist or an animator, et cetera, like everybody has to read it. Yeah. Or that's what we like to do anyways. I feel like it makes sense. I don't think that's too much of an ask. In terms of like, adapting what is in the scripts for like, from a concept perspective, usually, I try to like, I also don't want to like, spoil anything, but there's been plenty of times where Carrie will be like, in a kickoff, where it's like, Oh, I wrote this out in the script, but this was just kind of fluff to like bulk up the script. We don't need that exact thing or it can be tweaked slightly, et cetera. So I would feel like, we'll read the scripts by, yeah, for concept, we usually go off of what directors are looking for and like their immediate feedback. And then we'll double check the scripts as like, just like a backup to make sure there's like any other key points that were missed for whatever reason. Yeah. Like, yes. Sometimes something is in the script because it like really specifically needs to be that. Yeah. And then sometimes it's, it needs to represent or do this thing, but it's open, like what it could be. I mean, like, I, like overall, yeah, no, well, everything you're talking about is like, what I super, I like, I like, I always like to think of the creative process as like that scene in Avent Children when Cloud gets like thrown up to, to Sephiroth. It's like, Cloud knows where he's going to go. That's so good. Right. And maybe he could make it on his own, but everybody's going to help him along the way and add like their, their own like cool spin to it and everything. Yeah. I feel like that's the important thing is like, it's, it's, you know, we hand over the script and it's like, cool. If everybody just does this, we feel like we'll be okay. But then the storyboard team gets to it and they're like, oh, we could also do this. And then the art team gets to it. It's like, we could also do this and then lay out an animation and effects and audio and music and everybody. It just kind of like all comes together. And, and then, and then when you all like work together for that teamwork, then at the end, you get that heiress hand. Oh, that really sends you, you know, you learn from the live stream, but she gives you that, oh, like that's exactly what you want. And then that's how you beat them. It just feels right. So like how like I said in like, your script for like, RVV it's like, and there's a cool fight here. There's been so many times we're, Carrie, there's been lines that are dislike. Uh, Yang and Ruby to a cool fight here. Yeah. And like, that's it. And then it's like, okay, well now we have to decipher what exactly goes into that fight sequence. It really it kind of depends on on the moment. It's like I like that. Yeah, it's exactly like there'll be times where it's like Okay, and then they're you know, especially the fights that have like a little bit more like traversal to them It's like, you know, and then this thing happens and this person jumps off this rock onto this And maybe that rock changes to a pillar later or something, you know, whatever But there'll be other times where it's just like and then these two characters fight for about 20 seconds What I'll try to do sometimes to help though is is all say like yo you seen the raid dog Right that movie. Yeah, you that part right there. Yeah, a little something like that Little something like that and then you know, like I'll I'll try to Provide direction so that they're not left on their own and I'll always answer questions That's a very important thing as a director. You just have answers for questions because there's gonna be a lot of questions And so just give them that direction and then just you know, let them do what they do because they do it Oh so well, oh so well Issa what what's what was it like for you kind of like we talked on some of this stuff before but like kind of the difference between like You know you directing on like camp camp where you had a script that you weren't like involved with directly versus like Recorded by our is all where you kind of were seeing it from start to finish, you know, like did you find did you find that you had more changes? I'm curious like did you find that you had more changes from script to screen on stuff that you wrote or stuff that you didn't write? It's stuff that I didn't write. I would say right Yeah, I had more changes and part of that is I think how Camp camp as I'm specifically an episode director. So like as Noel said, I'm ultimately Serving a another higher person in this in camcams case Jordan swears shout out and then recorded by our assault it is I Think therein lies like that magic Spot of like, oh if I could ask for something This is where I would do it the way that I approach being created from script to animation though Is I end up thinking about more more about like oh well? What are my limitations and then trying to work from there? So because part of it too as a showrunner and or directors you have to work with production and what that means is Every Noel's a producer now. So what that means is also like they're scheduling involved. There's other things like Monty involved like how met how what's How many days Specific artists to work on something and so And having the director say I know you said three days, but what about four? Yes Because I've definitely become that person now And I'm just like well, how about it? So fun fact um, I was on the dead little rooster set and that was kind of one of the first times I saw and the The real relationship between a producer and the creative Yeah, producer and creative on set where the producer at the time has been like Oh, hey, how about we do this to as a shortcut and director and everyone else on the team who's more on the creative side They're like no we can't because the vision is this and it's so fascinating it was it what a what a What a relationship Important communication. Yes. I think that happens in every production. Honestly. Yes. You're not wrong I think um live action is it was so much more hectic because we had to do everything in a day Right, whereas animation. It's kind of this drawn-out like battle A marathon. Yes, exactly. It definitely is. Yeah, which it's like it's nice Like doing live action stuff is nice because it's like it really is like all right. Well in 12 hours from now. We're done Let's just I hope we get it all But you know in in animation is a little more like well, this could this could also go into tomorrow and that would be okay If we can make it Something I've I've also learned because I've I've been lucky enough to be the DP of RT shorts and work with the Amazing people in and core and then coming to animation. I've learned the The like intricacies of both worlds so like example in live action There's a lot of like oh, yeah, just just let it roll We'll just keep recording just let the scene breathe and then you know whenever you get to the edit You can kind of massage it use a little bit of that like head room or whatever just to kind of get that edit Right, but when it comes to animation, I'm just like hey man. Can you like um would you mind like animating like you know? Like maybe like a thousand more for it. No, okay. Oh, okay, wait, wait, wait throwing things. Don't know. No, I'm sorry I'll never ask again the the the number of times I have said Hey, can I get six more frames at the beginning of that shot or at the end of that shot has become a joke? I Put on a clown nose now You asked for six I'm asking for a thousand. Well, you know, I'm so wrong if it's an environment shot You know, oh, yeah, yeah, you know, it's just it's just like sometimes. It's like it's just give me six, you know, it's a clean six I don't know it helps. Yeah. I don't know. That's a that's all super interesting Yeah, I feel like the the important takeaway is collaboration. Mm-hmm and compromise. Yes To see Do y'all wanna don't want to squeeze in one more question, let's do one more because I took the bathroom so badly Can I choose this one, please I like this one from Tyrant 2025 What are some of the challenges with bringing in new viewers to a show after it's been airing for so long I particularly like this cuz like Noel you are you and RVB the RVB team are Specifically doing the season for that reason and that that's why it's a new season whereas like Harry This is Ruby What's the number our eight-year-old eight-year-old child and yes, they're definitely some Some different answers for this one I just really I Started working on RVB season eight And now we're making Ruby a hang I'm gonna need a minute. No, you should The question again is what are the challenges is that what the question is yeah Yeah, okay, so I'll be honest still learning that answer right now as we speak But the challenges that we know we are going to face is you know, you have red versus blue It's a legacy show the show has been around for so long We're on season pretty much 18 at this point, you know, like I I remember watching red versus blue when I was in high school Literally when it started again, that's how I'm dating myself at this or aging myself at this point I'm not dating myself, but it's okay Okay But you know, so it's built up a lot of like there is a hardcore fan base And and the first thing that we want to do is we want to Respect that fan base. I want to respect that fan base and but at the same time, you know We also want to do something a bit different. So yeah, we can find a new audience So it's this balance of trying to you know Try something brand new that that's going to you know be controversial to to a lot of the og fans And but at the same time trying to respect them as well and that community because again amazing community and so You know, these are the challenges that we have and so I guess to answer that quite like so that is Those are the challenges now how we're trying to approach it is the first thing we're trying to do is just throw that word respect in there, you know, we want we want to like If I could be super super open, I would say, you know, like when it comes to like this first episode, you know, we It's out so I could talk about it, right So yeah, yeah, please be a first member, please be a and be an agent one be a first man Yeah, and you know, we we throw in this new team. We have some some older More recognizable members showing up and you know, we want to kind of create this story that that kind of brings Some things together while exploring new stuff. So I Guess yeah again really just to kind of not like beat around the bush We definitely want to respect the the RVB community and and that is something that we're always thinking about But we're also trying to tell like a brand new story And we're really we're really hoping that that community is going to be open to that You know, it honestly it may not be your jam But please just give it a shot. Let us know how you feel. It doesn't take away. What's already there exactly, you know Exactly, you know, yeah, yeah, absolutely. So, you know, the I can certainly guarantee you that we have we have paid attention We have worked hard we're putting a lot of All that's everyone in the team has put so much of themselves into the show because we care about it that much And we respect it that much. So hopefully you'll give us a shot It's gonna be fun. It's gonna be exciting You know, you're gonna see some new faces some old faces. We're gonna have a blast 10 a.m. Monday Calm I was building up. I slowed down my pasting I was like Well, I know we're getting short of time here. So my quick answer for ruby is Saturdays at 10 a.m. Volume is out now, I mean It's a it's it's the 8th volume If anybody if anybody has an answer to this question, I'd love to hear it Um tell your friends Begging go ahead. Oh, I've definitely seen like just Me being nosy and perusing the movie subreddit. I'll see so many comments that are like, oh I haven't watched ruby since volume three should I pick it up again? Yes Yeah, like honestly word of mouth like from diehard fans really helps get either old viewers back into it Or like new viewers and I think Like racing the bar or like raising the stakes every season like Adds like a lot of intrigue. I mean, I'll be honest. Yeah I I only watch things if I have friends that are telling me like it's worth it So if you think that Ruby volume 8 and our be zero is worth it, which of course you do If you wanted to tell some of your friends and recorded by Arzall Which by the way, I went a little long because I didn't know that we were getting close to time You're fine. I apologize. I would rather here doing half the duck I did I made a bit out of it because I don't know how to answer it. So I'm glad that you did Yeah, you know that that and it's like, you know, we the last thing I'll say with with red versus blues We wanted to bring that same energy that that like our predecessors got a chance to so like Bernie and Matt We wanted to bring that same vibe of like, you know We're we're a group of friends that just want to make some some really cool Can I say can I cuss? Oh, I won't cuss. I was I can't of course you fucking can't yeah cool yeah, we just want to make some really cool fun shit and We really think you're gonna have a good time. So just rock with us for a little bit Rock with us for I especially at 10 a.m. On Monday. Oh my god There's a lot of early early Ruby vibes and all the stories you're telling so I think also just helping or To help with like any new viewers into RVB like this is like a whole or nearly like standalone story Like it's you don't have to watch the previous 17 years That is correct. That is correct. That is like you'll see like a few cameos like yeah You could and you should yeah, you don't have to exactly If you've always thought man, what's this all what's this red versus blue thing all about let's just start at zero. Oh Oh, that's a guy. Oh, make a shirt Monday's tagline Thank you for having me. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank you for having thank you chat for joining us, too This is our first live one. Yeah, let us know was live. Oh, we can do Let us know what else we could do We have a lot more questions, too We can always answer more questions if you guys and we will and we will This will be up We're still a podcast aren't we guys? I think so. Yeah, it should still be Thursdays and Friday and all that this will be up Yeah So if you or your friends have missed this one Keep in touch. We will we will appear again Make sure you guys watch red versus blue On the first team comm be a person ever be an agent one tell a friend to tell a friend Let's go. This is not the last time. We'll see no well and we will still be seeing other RVB people here as well Also, we've all you made is out. What are we gonna do that Saturday? Saturdays 10 a.m. Clear schedules 10 a.m. Tell your friends tell your parents tell your friends or else Extra life recaps Thank you for your donations Bye