 And how are you doing? Welcome to EYG Talk. I'm Gordo the Texar. I'm here with my good old buddy Andrew the security guy. Hello, everybody. And our guest today is Chuck Lurch from DR Fortress. Yeah We're gonna talk about Cloud Sigma. Welcome back. Thanks. Chuck's our first two-time guest. That's right. He must be important He's a repeater. He's a repeater. He's a repeater He's a repeater. So Chuck, you can talk about Cloud Sigma. Not Sigma as in the 18th letter of the Greek alphabet No. No, not at all. And not like Six Sigma Or not like Six Sigma. Yeah, so not like that one either. This is Cloud Sigma. This is Cloud Sigma. And this is not Six Sigma in the Cloudy. And we're gonna dovetail it off of you know We had the Sequoia Network guys on who talked about all the different flavors of cloud You know, they're in the business There was Presidio and they're in the business of helping people decide which flavor of cloud to go Hybrid cloud, you know, local cloud Private cloud those kinds of things and you've got a interesting new not new It's been around for a couple years. Cloud Sigma product But that's a national international international international product It'll be fun to compare and contrast because there are issues with cloud front, you know, Hawaii So we'll talk about that. Yeah, so this can be awesome. So please grab a chair Have a libation and by God get a drink man. And we got new solo cups. These aren't solo cups Well, they're not like dancing solo cuz it's all curved You're supposed to have a measuring line for your alcohol. Oh, but look at this I'll go to the the high side to the mix all just to say I'd like mine to this side Not this one over here So I've got this all figured out All right. Anyway, so, um, I Got a little bit of news. Let's do it. You're gonna do a little bit of news And oh, we got no also have you know got one tech job. Okay, maybe we should do that one first Okay, let's have it. So, you know take we have this thing So we got this you know got one tech job. I thought this was a great one Um, take a look at that sign look at that door carefully Do that enter enter only this is a problem. This is yeah, I got one from the big island gonna use next week It's awesome. Oh, it's so so what do you think's just going on there? There isn't a lot of middle constructions Construction error or is that in Canada? Well, you know that did come from a gullible. Okay, so they come from Maybe they were they you know in the middle construction. They're changing the door. I mean, but that's kind of that's just bothers me Should I mean I gosh I go to places and that I run into that. I don't have to stand like a fool. I Know I had to go pick you up one day. What do you do like you were lost good? I want to go in here But yeah says no Let it go. I like the ones that some of the big box buildings where it says Exit only and you walk up to it the door opens nice and I walk in yeah Okay, so that was you know, I got one tech job and then I got a little bit of news But this one I thought was interesting because I'm an old guy is that And it has a kind of a cat cloud piece to it So remember we talked about the old mainframe computer systems that are out there cobalt and assembler Oh, you know the ones the state still uses and the city and county and almost the almost every DMV in the country Okay, I'm still using that mainframe and it's still being banks on banks Credit unions right still a lot there. So, you know, so there's a group out of out of Sweden LZ labs now it's LZ now if it's Sweden, maybe it's LZ labs because they say the Z different but LZ or LZ labs in Sweden are Developing a product that will convert your cobalt to Non-cobalt and run it on what do you mean to not to wood to not to chop up your code And redeploy your code and running on red hat Linux and And on Microsoft SQL server, what do they convert cobalt to red hat Linux? I mean, what's the language? I don't know LZ labs So it's interesting one for other it's their proprietary and It's anticipating because you know this stuff is old cobalt has to die DMV. Yeah, it's been around well I started that's what I learned. Yeah, that's why I learned to fresh out of high school I was kind of young to be learning cool. That was my first thing. I learned in college 1982 for me cobalt Well, they're they taught at KCC for about five years until about five years ago because they said it would taught people how to They were you know what that's Chuck. That's that's Gordo. That's a 360 Those got a little cards that got the cards there. Yeah, those cards were called not punch cards I don't know what they call it was holler with the card. Yeah, all right. Yeah I'm after the guy that invented it. Nothing actually showing your age I actually had that in high school like I had you know, you could take like What's it? What's it called like keep woodworking or oh? Vocational so I chose the date it was called data processing back then I went and did now the holler with card Yeah, we had a sit there and I wasn't any good. I had the compometer and I mean, oh, yeah This stuff was a mess the best thing that congress could do is divide Once you hit that divide button on the compometer thing would bounce around It was all bad Bring one of those up to a elementary school or kindergarten class one day and ask these kids. What's the they're not they can't do They don't know that they see what a rotary phone. No, they don't know exactly I saw one kid was like rotary phony. Look at it. Oh, yeah, this is This is a phone my grandfather told me about this. I think they went Rotate it press I'll try to lock in the rotate it press That was gonna work anyway, so these guys are I think I was interesting You know the main frame the main frame is not dead because you can do a lot of things You know and it's just one of the things that it can do is Things you can find somebody still writes cobalt. You guys are probably making money now Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, a lot of there's a lot of cause they're all my age in older, Wisconsin There's farmers in the winter you started in cobalt. What did you do? What did you take cobalt like 1995? So that's ten years after me. They were still starting there. Yeah, well It was a good bay. I mean the financial sector usually, right? So yeah, they want to give me five bucks an hour after I learned that I was making a lot I was making a hundred bucks a day doing construction. Yeah, give you five Well, that was I joined the Navy like what's 40, you know, it ain't working either. Yeah, I'm leaving. Yeah That's how I got out of Kentucky. Yeah, well, I know And we're glad you did anyway, so check tell us a little bit about yourself. So you've been Been in Hawaii for how long? I just moved back in 2012 and before that you were where in Las Vegas So I lived out there for many years I was a CEO for a national health care company and a family of comms Okay, but when did they come back and raise my kids here? Okay, when I first came to Hawaii it was 2001 and I was doing a contract for the Department of Defense and the FAA Okay, we're merging air traffic information control systems. That was fun. I was gonna say we were merging air traffic Who was president 2001 that was after Reagan, right? That was after Reagan fired all the air traffic controllers That Clinton remember when he did he brought the military in for a while. I know that was a run-in and a that must have been fun Is that a good job now? What? It's really high in demand right now. Is it looking for kids and they So you guys did you guys rewrite software out there with new code like was a whole new system nationally or it was a whole new System we did about 35 deployments across the country. So we headed it out of Hawaii Wow And it was touch screen displays back in 2001 2002. So that was wow Innovative that was very innovative. They work like you touch it and then the things all move. Well, it's a little slow You know it's NT four base, right? So we're really going back and by the time we commissioned the system They had the pens very little depends you poke the window the windows the screen the screens, right? But by the time we actually the FAA and everybody commissioned the system NT was phased out. So we had to redo everything again. Oh, wow server Was that a government contract of course, oh, yeah, well, there you go. I saw a prize surprise And they're still using to this day. I saw friends that worked there and these so using it to this day Yep, it's awesome. Oh, it's probably pretty good. It was right. I hope they'll fit in the security system Security systems you're gonna security minute, but you're gonna do that in the second half of the show We're changing you on we're changing this format around so now so now you're you move back to Hawaii raising your kids here I mean you're with their fortress your fortress. Yeah, but you've been in tech for like a long time Yeah, since 1995 I started working for a defense contractor, right actually while I was still in high school Okay, and it went so so now so now there's this product that's offering that dear fortresses is The sole poster for it. Yeah, we should talk about the other is what it is. They say missed our first episode That's right. Okay. That's true because we've had Fred on the show. Yeah And tell us a bit about yeah, sir, okay, so the our fortress is the island's largest co-location facility It's gone through about three different names in the last 15 years So it was behind a Pacific okay, then equinex spot Pihana and then the senior management wanted to expand the facility and equinex didn't really want to go that route So the senior management bought out and created the our fortress. Okay, which has been around for how long now gosh Got me on the spot 2009 I think it was when it actually commissioned. Yeah highest in data center here for sure I mean DR fortress has always been the place to go even when it was Pihana I mean that it's always right in that place to go and you say Colo So I know you still so let let them know a little bit about that level of service, right? Cuz people like people don't understand what was available down there So our core service for many many years is co-location. So we keep your servers and everything cool servers. Yeah Your servers. Yeah, my client my clients. Yeah You know most of the bigger companies and actually a lot of companies the island actually used to your fortress Yeah, so we keep the servers cool. We keep them powered and We keep them on the internet, right? So the big thing is we are the internet exchange for say the Hawaii What that means to all the viewers and everybody is that your internet's gonna work faster because We're cashing all your like iOS updates for your phones or anything else because we have alchemy and other types of Caching providers that bring the content to Hawaii so doesn't come across the sea right across the cables all the time Sure, so that's now when I get my iOS update on my iPad or iPhone and or my Mac Are my Mac or my Windows device? It's a lot faster a lot faster Yeah, it's a lot faster because of the fact that it's it's already here Exactly and enough to wait to get it from the mainland and bring it all across and I sit there wait forever Exactly. Yeah, so you don't have to you don't have to put your stuff up in Amazon or up in Microsoft stuff It's not housed locally right you can do it here at DR fortress if you have applications or you're worried about the power in your facility Or the connectivity your office today Most modern what operators are moving their stuff to DR fortress or to local cloud hosting type facility So it's good and then the major driver for that is let's say, you know Ten years ago. They built their own cooler facility for billions of millions of dollars, right? But now it's like they're like, okay Now I need to spend more capital money to buy any generator by new battery packs by this by that And also to employ all the facilities people to maintain all this stuff and it's not their primary job, right? So, you know, we're dedicated to that's what we do. Yeah, and now and also they never bought the generator These guys have a massive generator Multiple generators and all of those kinds of things happening over there. So you keep your stuff online That's how you keep your stuff, you know, so speaking of this Amazon I was talking to someone a couple weeks ago about, you know Why wouldn't Amazon put like a peering site here locally right to do that? And so they Amazon wanted to and here's why they didn't the state of why I said if you put a peering site here Then we tax all of your sales all of your sales nationwide So even if it's even if the site is not performing It's just as a peering location because we have a physical presence in Hawaii. That's why Amazon calls why a red state Yeah, they will not put a facility here because we will tax every sale not every Hawaii sale Every single as yours the same problem if with Microsoft came here because they don't have as big of a they're not a stores But they sell but not as I think it would depend on what they're doing. That's so again back to our We do need the revenue. So come on down Amazon. We do need the revenue in there We got a rail to pay for you guys heard the problem We can we can watch our legislators just squander the heck out of this Anyway, we're gonna take a break. We got to go. Well, you can't get Angus. He's called in sick today So Angus is called in sick, but we got us. We got us long-lost cousin Raz McTackle who's coming Out he's gonna come in and he's gonna figure it's a first for right. It's a first for res Anyway, we'll be back in about a minute Hi, my name is Kim Lau and I'm the host of Hawaii Rising. You can watch me live every other Monday at 4 p.m Aloha Aloha, I'm state senator Russell Ruderman I represent the Pune and Ka'u district on the Big Island and the host of Ruderman round table We're here on Think Tech Hawaii every other Tuesday at 2 p.m. You can join us at think tech Hawaii comm you can find a link there to To a page where you can see past episodes and we talk here about good government Environmental issues and issues of the day facing the state of Hawaii. I'm Russell Ruderman Please join us for the Ruderman round table mahalo Aloha, I'm Chantel Seville host of the Savvy Chick show on Think Tech Hawaii and I'm going on tour I'm taking you around the world. We're going to Canada and then we're going to well We're in America then we're going to San Francisco. So keep staying tuned 11 a.m. Every Wednesday on the Savvy Chick show We'll see you next time Aloha, I'm Carl Campania. I hope you please visit us this summer. It's a wonderful summer It's actually a cooler summer than we're used to But I hope that you come back and visit us and watch our show education movers shakers and reformers here on Think Tech Hawaii It's at noon every Wednesday. See you then Aloha, I'm Kaui Lucas host of Hawaii is my mainland here on Think Tech Hawaii every Friday afternoon at 3 p.m Start your powhuna weekend off with the show where I talked to people about issues pertinent to Hawaii You can see my previous shows at my blog kauilukas.com and also on Think Tech Welcome to think tech Hawaii calm. This is Johnson Choi your host The topic is Asian reveal. We do it on Monday basis on Thursday at 11 o'clock. We shoot a checker schedule Hey, Aloha and welcome back to Hibachi talk guess what we didn't think we'd have Angus today But I heard he's just given us a call Angus. What's going on, buddy? Hey there, Drew What's that we got you got in fiddling in for me? Tell me can I have that job that your cousin's taking your job? Hey, how's it brah McTackle? This is Tackle here. Hey, you know you tell my cousin too bad. I got the job now Oh, I think he's watching I think he heard you talk talk cuz you know why he's in Scotland now And you know what they got this game or in Scotland called football That's your football football in Scotland. You know that is it's 90 minutes of guys running around pretending They're hurt and we got you bet. I could football three hours of men running around pretending that they're not nice Of course Anyway, I'm gonna do this gadget as we silly See I started to talk like is this Angus's gadget or your gadget. No, this is Angus. Angus. You're having a job, man I was it. It's an umbrella. It's an umbrella. Scotland. They wear these things Bunch of sissies and scottly hands free umbrella. They don't have any wind there real men don't carry an umbrella You know that cuz it's hands free So anyway football season's coming up. So we're ready for the football season this year, right? And you know what? You know where the first game is? It's in Sydney It's in Australia and the second game is where Michigan Michigan one week later Are you going to both games? Cuz I know you're a big fan Raz McTaco, you're the man. So anyway, that's what we got going and you know what? I may be back in Angus Wow, who knew all in one family too. Is that crazy or what? Angus just jumped off the line when he heard that going on You didn't even come back. I know he's done Wow What did I miss? Nothing So let's so yeah, I'm gonna just talk I'm just gonna talk briefly about something that can't this is from Taylor So I get you get Taylor's as far you get their report the Cisco guys. I thought this was interesting a guy this week researcher gal been been Yamani was able to exploit a full disk encryption on Android devices And there's a real issue. I don't want to go deeply into this So, you know, you you can encrypt the disk drive on Android devices I like you do it in iOS as well, right? But he found a flaw they've done a couple updates And he was actually used both the updates one from June January one from May and take those updates and actually exploit them To break this encryption decrypts it exactly and it basically what it boils down to With it without going into all of that because it's deep and you know, I don't really pretend to understand that there's a nice article about it, but Ultimately because you can do it because you still can use two factor authentication But basically once you can get the key, which is this this key for this QSEE They call it's a Qualcomm secure execution environment So there's a piece of software on the chip that's not in the OS, right? And this is where this all this encryption goes on however There's a way to extract that out of a Qualcomm chip in the Android device Okay, and once you get it then you can just brute force that all-in-thing protect it's a password So what I want to leave you with is if you're using that type of a device and Android and you're relying on it You know that the information on that hard drive is really critical to you You want to use a very secure password one of them big ugly long ones, right? You don't want to be having that just your mom's first name or something on that piece of encryption because Basically, that's what it boils down to if someone wants to break it. They can very easily Yeah, one of these talk we talk about passwords and the thing I pass phrases So, you know, I people say well what give me an idea You know, I say well think of something like maybe the beginning of a book, right? It was the worst of times. It was the best of times or something personal to you. Yeah Yeah, some place that you win. Yeah, exactly. I went to yeah, you know the Bears game in 1968 February first or was it your first food box that didn't know one else? Yeah, no, so so that way you can remember it Yeah, and then sort of a special character or two in there exactly a period at the end of every word She's just use Gordo. No one uses it. Yeah, right So anyway, so we're talking here with Chuck Lurs and let's get into cloud Sigma now So we talked about DR Fortress to Colo Yeah, a lot of major players local players now are using that facility because they don't have to worry about buying hardware software Staff, right? I mean all those kinds of things. We had to cloud Sequoia group on Before they talked about all the different flavors of cloud and this is just another flavor. So what is that flavor? so cloud Sigma is They caught a KVM based hypervisor So that means you can run any x86 or 64 bit operating system You can upload your own ISO like this game edge But where did I load it on my laptop? Yeah, you can load it from your office up into our cloud Oh, so it's at DR Fortress. Yeah, they're on their own bank of servers. Yep We have our own bank of servers inside our cloud cage You have a cloud cage. Okay, and what it is is classic my again as an international cloud provider that We went in partnership with and pop that the our fortress facility meeting. So it's just not here It's just not in the Hawaii. It's in three places in the mainland us and the Philippines Australia It's all over the world. So when you need support or anything, it's you just don't have Hawaii You have so support staff in Bulgaria. It's lovely. Yeah, it's global. So it's global He said poppy means point of presence So you can you can have it here located locally which gets you good speed good connectivity Exactly, but you have the option probably to do like disaster recovery Okay, something were to happen to a facility here someplace else around the world where the disaster didn't occur Okay, so that would be that's a cool option to have. Yeah an Amazon web services Without selling Amazon product. That's correct. So but it's so you know your Chuck does get taxed And I hope you pay it Which reminds me that point of interest a first quarter or next quarter this quarter's up. You got to pay your GT tax I'll do that this weekend And I get to pay it that's a good sign So anyway, so but provisioning so fast fast provisioning right spin up a machine in what a minute 30 half a minute you can have a machine online uploading an ISO. I guess is based on your upload speed exactly so walk me through this so I'm I'm I'm a The XYZ company I've got my own servers. They're old. Yeah, I need to be replaced. I could call up say hey I want to stand up Similar, but they'll be state-of-the-art servers. Yeah, I You know sign up contract whatever and boom I start standing up servers and then migrating my applications and everything over to that Very very simple So another cool thing is you can bring that into the facility you can bring your equipment in and we can Seat it the USB or whatever your your data right our cloud is faster because you're gonna be on premise, right? You're gonna get another internet connection So yeah, a lot of people that are have aging servers or server closets that have experienced major failures will spin up inside cloud Sigma we've had multiple disasters, you know with the power in Hawaii. It's not always the best It was a couple weeks ago Yeah, my telecom was down on spotty all over the place, but you've got three three carriers in there now No, we have more a lot more carriers So you got a lot more carries in there So if you stood up if I was to stand up my system and pick primary carrier secondary carrier Well, this is the beauty of that too. So actually cloud Sigma we have is three primary carriers These level three century link and Hurricane Electric and we also have a connection to our internet exchange So if any one of the carriers starts to pick up for whatever reason you still have the other carriers And it will automatically fill over so now how do you pay for that? No, it's free 99 I'm reading yeah actually seven-day free trial now. That's awesome. How's that for service? So you stand up a server check them out see how the performance is seven days for free So right, you know get an image of so that's amazing stand up your image And if it's working fine, then you can say okay, let me come up with a game plan to migrate it over Yeah, right. So you pay on day eight by the way, it's not free forever Yeah The other difference between like cloud Sigma and all their clouds is if you look down there There's live support 24-7. Yeah, like Amazon web services. The other ones don't really have a live support Oh, is that right now? Is there life support here on island or is it? Distributed this is triggered. So that's in Bulgaria, but you can always call the airporters and get support as well Yeah, so so again, yeah as a time zones Mm-hmm. I don't have to worry about the fact that it's you know It's past six o'clock in the evening on the east coast or whatever I've got I got this service And you know, we've had a lot of people that you know fear of cloud was a lot of it was based on They don't have a throat to show they can't get a hold of their I need my stuff working, right? And so we you know there was that fear and so this this eliminates some of that especially you can host it locally It's not hosted in Amazon or Azure, which is definitely not done here on in Hawaii, right? So you can get a hold of somebody you can go look at your virtual server if you're really one of those One of those server huggers, you know, or you could do a hybrid of that We could have your virtual server and you could have your own physical backup server Located yep, you know in another location within your facility. Yes, so you can so when all your stuff breaks And if you wanted to be one of our belt suspenders you could put a third one in your own facility as your backup to your backups I mean, yeah, but each each time you do it the cost goes down on the backup side because you're just going to be paying for the drink Well, it depends on if it's live or you know, there's there's dynamic and dynamic fail over the reverse Like if you're a utility utilities want to capitalize everything and that's that's where it's called signal to be a challenge But what you do is you put your primary you buy all your own equipment Yep, you put it in DR fortress and then you make the cloud signal you're back. You can do that You're virtualized. So we're looking at all the different ways that you can kind of do this And you now do I have to have a lot of high-tech people working for me to do this stuff? Depends on how technical you are okay You need some knowledge of like how to spin up a server or you know If you can install like Windows on a tablet, you should be able to handle clouds, but I could be able to go and find But there's local players The other thing I think is some real important that we should talk about is those other the big with the AWS and Azure right the offerings That people get you know told about here There's a lot of latency and you mentioned it early about that distance in the ocean And so some applications are sensitive to those types of millisecond latencies and things like that, right exactly So we don't have that problem here. We've had a lot of companies that have You know local companies that like their mainland software providers like oh go use our cloud And so they move their application to the mainland and then what happens is It does not working right or something else and now those providers are calling us and saying hey Can we spin up an instance in your cloud just so we can serve as our customers? Yeah, so so keeping this giving this in mind sort for our viewers to understand. Yeah a number of different combinations here Yeah, so you know you you have a choice one of the keys I think is you don't have to build a data center You don't have to put the batteries in there You don't have to buy a server you don't have to do all that kind of stuff and you pay by the drink Yep, right you pay by how much yeah, it's scalable you can roll it shrink it as needed. You're also using Super heavy duty drives. Yeah, also a solid state all solid state drive So a lot of cool stuff in there sounds like a commercial, but it's not it's just you know It's just the way to go and it's because this technology is available here in Hawaii So you should should definitely check it out if you're looking to so guess what we burned it under 30 minutes Yes, we had you're gonna get another cup. That's awesome. Do you remember now the question? Do you remember what number you have the last time? Haha, gotcha. Anyway, so this is number 75 So we'll out of it in just a second number 75 in the series So now you've got to there'll be a lot of people fighting to get that one. I got anyway Chuck Lurch dr. Fortress cloud Sigma Andrew Lanny Aloha, so not a lot. Thanks for watching. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, you're gonna do your thing or exit We got our exit, but I think Zuri and Nick and Emily. Yeah, we are going to turn. Thank you Emily You're doing a great job. Anyway as we say at the end of every show. This is new. Oh, okay All right, one two three. How you doing?