 when they got the deal, the label, Def Jam had them performing in front of Fat Joe. And Fat Joe just, honestly, he wasn't feeling it. You know what I mean? Fat Joe, then he wasn't into it. Fuck no, I think it was like. How do you know he wasn't into it though, Gutter? Cause he stopped them from rapping. They was performing. He said, stop. And he told him. What did he say? If you know what I mean? It's been a while on the bridge. Now, was it like detail? Like you gotta work on this, this, this? He was like, I can remember word for word what he said. Then they say it. Yeah, we on boss talk, one on one, one on one. Yeah, we gonna talk. I mean, you know, Gutter, so what? I mean, you've been working on a lot of different people, man, I've seen you do different things. You behind the scene doing a lot of things too, man. How do you feel like the music game is going to like, like now for when you look at the labels, when you look at the talent and just the way that people are moving the independent versus being signed to a label. Like what do you think? Shit, what do you want me to answer? The independent part, like verse signed to a label. You can do that and then you can come back and tell me how it is signed to a label today versus where it used to be. Well shit, the independent part, everybody be talking all that shit, but they don't want that. It's hard, ain't it? I've been that and they don't want that. That come with responsibility. That come with you being the person to put up and do everything. You feel me? People are always yelling independent, but if you got a chance to get a deal, I'm gonna tell you quick, go get a deal. Wow. And I agree with that so much, man. But niggas always come at me though when I say that though, they be like, man, look, gotta tell the niggas just go sign anything or go do it now, nigga, that ain't what I'm saying. I'm saying, if you ain't got it yourself, you need the help. Yeah. Ain't no way around it. No, you're exactly right. I agree with that 100%. Most of these guys don't understand what it takes to even push an artist and develop an artist. Like a lot of people think it's a one and done, but you know, you don't have but freak accidents like that. A lot of it's build up. A lot of it's behind the scene build up. And I think they underestimate how much goes into trying to make an artist. It's a lot too. Am I right? Nah, it's a lot. Cause I seen you work with so many different people like explain like even that deal you did with what's her name then? Which one? Tensei Mali and Lil Brooke. How was that deal leading going into that deal for them? Like you was there from the beginning all the way till they left. And you just tell me how was it walking in and understanding how to develop getting them into a deal? See, they didn't understand that, I mean, that was good. Every, the whole situation was cool, but I don't think the girls understood that people gonna have opinions. And you gotta either fix it up or you gotta take it and run with it. It's just different things. Like, I say this, when they got the deal, the label, Def Jam had them performing in front of Fat Joe. And Fat Joe just, honestly, he wasn't feeling it. Fat Joe, then he went into it. Fuck no, I think it was like. How do you know he wasn't into it though, Garth? Because he stopped them from rapping. They was performing. He said, stop. And he told them. What did he say? If you don't mind me, it's been a while on the bridge. Now, was it like detail? Like you gotta work on this, this, this. Yeah, he was like, I can remember word for word what he said. That nigga say it. I don't know if y'all gonna fuck me or shoot me. Damn. Prestig here tripped out. But did you feel him on it? A hundred percent. Why? Why did he say? Because they was talking about guns or something. And then they was talking about guns. And then they was talking about fucking on your nigga, fucking on the bitch. You know what I mean? That's how they flowed. Yeah, it was all over the place kinda. And he said it. And shit, they didn't like that shit. What did they say? They was like, who was this old ass nigga? Get this old ass nigga out of here. What's his hit? Lean back? That shit's so old. Oh, damn. They got around it. Yeah, it got around it. So this in front of him. Yeah, hell yeah. What did he say? He got up and walked out. He said, he said, he said, all right, I'm done. They'll be doing two years. Was he right? They still going, but he kind of was on the song. You see what I'm saying? Was he right? They still going, but he was on the song. He just want him all fucking to listen. He felt like if you ain't listening, for sure you gonna be out there, basically, to me. When you was working with them, what were some of the key points that you've seen good things about working with them? And what were some of the things that stick out to it that you feel y'all could have did better as a team? Well, Molly, a hard worker. She gonna wake up thinking about music all day. Feel me? So you can't knock that. She a beast with that. She want it like I want it. So Brooke, she just was, a lot of times Brooke just go with the flow. Feel me? You can tell that when you're in the show. She just go with the flow sometime. You feel me? But Molly, you can't even knock it. That motherfucker gonna work hard. She gonna figure it out. And that was a plus cause you needed to work hard. Yeah, that was a plus. Cause you know, as a manager or CEO, we don't always need to fucking on the pressure on us. You know, like to do this, to book the studio, to shoot a video, or to go get a show, or to get a connection. I ain't have to worry about that with Molly. She is gonna find the studio. She gonna find the nigga to shoot a video. Like she's gonna figure it out. And was it, I mean, at the end, and I talked to both of my interview, both of them, at the end, everything kind of was like, they were there, I think they was kind of like, they had been trying to make them a group or something. Trying to keep them together. And they wanted their own. They wanted their own. Yeah, Molly wanted to be solo. And that's something to happen when you deal with groups cause they do get tired of- Well, she was already solo. Brook Khan got blessed in. You did that. No. Well, who brought it in? Oh, Molly just brought it in. No, she just landed on the hit. Like me and Molly was recording her first tape and the hit on the tape, Brook was on that one song. She wasn't on no other songs, but that's the one that they picked. Yeah, so like that two, two, three song, that wasn't no Sency Molly and Lil' Brook song. That was Sency Molly featuring Lil' Brook. Oh, so they made a good thing. Yeah, you feel me? And it wasn't a bad look. It was a dope look. That whole was solid. They good together. Hell yeah, that whole was solid. A couple years later after the deal, Warner Brothers tried to sign her. And I had a deal on the table, but once I got Molly on the phone, she just, Brook was with it. She's like, come on, go, let's go. With the money wise knowledge. She's like, let's go. Molly was just like, I don't want to be in a group. Wow. She's like, forget the money. I was like, I couldn't do nothing but salute her. I was like, I feel you. Do you think if they stayed in a group- I was about to say that. They would have gotten a lot further than they are today. Yeah, the nigga from Warner Brothers even said, he said, I don't just want to sign her. I want them both for nothing. I was like, well, shit. Wow. How hard is it for you at mentally dealing with that? That's stupid mental hard, cause I needed that money at the time. Say it like I was. What the fuck? Let's do this deal. Yeah. Let's get this bread. The fuck we doing? You don't want to even deal with it. I got to get it back on. I want to ask, is there any regrets? You know what I mean? Cause I feel you. Cause it's something to think about when you have- She going to say now. Because you got to think about it. Those opportunities- What's show? Doors don't open all the time, man. Nah, they don't. But that what I be trying to tell artists when I say, get the deal. I don't be saying take any deal. I be trying to tell you that this shit don't follow trees. No. That shit around right now, but next week they might not want you. That's it. Cause they got a lot of people that trying to get at them. Yeah.