 Uh That's a pretty good intro and welcome to Jurassic Park catch up for the screen We're gonna climb atop the Chattasaurus wrecks nice and we will ride it until it Um disappear isn't to nothing I guess nice Till it's just a memory a fading memory well The first Two chat says a surprise to be sure but a welcome one. That's not even in Jurassic Park That's in the other dinosaur movie revenge of the sith I really like that there was sort of a dinosaur in revenge of the sith that obi one was writing You know tapua. Oh, I thought or uta pal. I was gonna get called out because I snuck in another inaccuracy in that from Not from Star Wars at all tries to be sure but a welcome one Actually from star track box says it to pick the motion picture. I don't know if you remember we watched the reason We did he said oh you two did I haven't seen it. Sorry Jim what's your favorite dinosaur? And jim didn't know and so spock said I like the logis or logic Soros wrecks Right cracks the king of logic The dinosaur that is the king of logic And then bones comes in and he says dammit spock. Can't you think of anything except logic and then spock says no Is really good. It is really good scene. I really feel like they captured the characters I learned a lot about dinosaurs about spock The next one says could you do more reviews on old movies? I don't see why not I don't see why not either seems like a totally doable thing It does nothing is preventing us from doing it except all the things we are all we need to do before it But we'll get there Finally the Jurassic Park arc. I can't wait for you to prove three is the best of the sequels. Oh my god Oh my goodness gracious I wonder I don't know I have to see them all again But I I know for a fact that the fucking sequel ones aren't gonna stand a chance, you know the sequel sequels No wire Um also high rags fringy. How are you and your goo mola? Hello? Yeah, I'm all right. I don't know about my goo. It's not very sentient Oh That's an odd response I don't think so It's all this movie in theaters when it came out. I was five then I remember my mom covering my eyes when the lawyer gets eaten well Shouldn't really hide children from that. They need to know the lawyers will get eaten by dinosaurs That's just you took your kid to a movie that you knew damn well would involve dinosaurs eating people What did you expect? I mean, yeah, was it just that you wanted to go and you couldn't get rid of the kid for the day? Is that it? That's what that's it. That's what happened. That is it The dinosaur eating people while the kid is like come on Let me see and he hears all the noises and the dinosaurs and the velociraptors in the kitchen And he was probably terrified and he had many nightmares And he slept unwell for many subsequent days Speaking of podcasts called efab. Please check out the podcast called come town. It's very funny stuff. And yes, fringolio It's a real thing Why doesn't believe in the existence of come town It's just a come town just Travellers tales. I wonder what they focus on Pounds probably pounds. Yeah Well, uh, oh crispy critters. It's efab. Wait a minute Oh, my god is old news. Okay. No one's gonna talk about that game again done. So But we talked about it recently because we did a catch up for it Um, I legit ran away from home with a toy gun and friend. I had over at the age of six We had just watched drowsy park again and we went dinosaur hunting had the cops hold a search party for us You know, you might mock him, but I don't recall ever seeing any dinosaurs around certainly not after that event Great dinosaur hunt. I must have got him as a brave thing. They did keeping us safe Yeah Yeah Hello lads since velma is a horrible abomination How about you guys watch scooby-doo and the witches ghost and scooby-doo and zombie island to see good scooby-doo content Also, hello rags Hi And fringy is a bird Yeah Okay, yeah That's probably more a matter of just fact Uh, I would consider it a fact. Yes. It's also my opinion that I did it, but it is Uh, as well a fact it is both your opinion and a fact true I have seen both of them. I think zombie island is my favorite of the scooby-doo movies Mm-hmm. Um, but who knows maybe we'll get around to rewatching them. I can't say but I'm pretty sure that a zombie island is Is is my favorite. In fact, I am certain that it's my favorite. I don't know if it's the best though Maybe maybe Hey fringo boingo, this might be a little awkward for rags, but between these two insect mavericks Which do you like more and it's blast hornet or grounds garovitch Garovitch Yeah, let's take a look. Uh Okay, so blast hornet and I'll do the second ground scarovitch um This is i'm gonna go. I don't go uh with the ground scarovitch. I think This is the ground scarovitch. I'll pose. I'll share it with the class so we can all see I like his uh, I like his mustache compared to the hornet the hornet comes across as a a bit over designed to me I'd say Blast or there we go. Um I would Yeah, I'd agree the blast hornet seems a bit busy. Um, I think uh, I'm legit struggling with the big like grenade looking us thing That the the hornet's got there, you know It's a bit difficult to distinguish pieces Whereas the ground scarovitch. I don't think he's awesome or anything, but I like that. He kind of looks like an old western kind of a fellow with his big mustache there Um, yeah, but not a big fan of either of these honestly. Yeah, they're pretty. I think yeah, it's it's not yeah These aren't these aren't the best of them are a bit over designed and lacking clarity. I'd say A great thumbnail is ony plays weird free games Hmm Games hopefully that's enough Yeah, it is Well, this is best of weird free games. So I assume that's it is from ony plays They're not wrong pretty good thumbnail Oh my goodness, it's slimy Slimy and gooey is all free games are they're making really have a Sort of vibe don't they Smiling friends season two. Where is it? Give me? Uh, give them time. Geez. It's only been a year on a loud time. Time is evil. Time is illegal now Time is what they need. They need time to make it great time Down with time. I don't I don't think you know what you're asking for Down with time. Time is evil Oh time. What has time ever done for me? Yeah Recently this one says is this the oldest guest ever odd e-fab Oh, maybe Probably maybe one thing we haven't done yet. We'll set it up eventually Gary I guess deposit your ages to us when you enter the podcast That is the one thing we forgot to ask But uh, possibly make sure you're over 18, right? You've got your whoa. How old are you? Uh, Phil Titerham around actually did use stop motion to an extent in Jurassic Park His team had a tool dinosaur input device to key frame movements digitally with stop motion techniques The t-rex breakout scene is one example Well, it looks fantastic If they use yeah, I don't know is that stop motion if you use like digital key frames like what do you mean by Depends on what they mean by stop motion techniques Maybe they just mean that the technology developed to help him with stop motion was used to Help make the t-rex look which makes sense. Yeah, like he would use a lot of what he learned doing stop motion to um You know to actually Do that the end to the dinosaur stuff. Uh-huh Can you raise fringies volume by 15 percent? I don't know if I actually did as far as that's not Applicable anymore. Not really. It was either raised or it wasn't and it's all more less fault Oh my goodness. Well, uh, why it wouldn't be fault if I did it, right? Um, well, I'm saying if you didn't do it That's all Right. It's all the responsibility to take on but I'll do it Uh lord long bong of mueslington abbey Is there any good chance of a kong fap of peter jackson's long kong when there's less going on We move you fap for the ages. PS. Hello wags these screeches for the good boy Oh, thank you. Uh, that sounds like a pretty good idea I think we might be able to get around to that once we clear our schedules I was gonna say once less is going on I probably say that's Absolutely once once less is going on. Yeah Mm-hmm once less is going on Christ if I had known you guys would have been covering Jurassic Park I would have set up some union jacks for you. Can't wait for this one Oh, hopefully you enjoyed it The great robert maya bennett. I'm a happy man. Hey, look at all these happy messages. No kind Uh, I love the clever girl meme high rags Hello Is good stuff Pretty clever girl Oh, wow didn't expect Jurassic Park this week. Love to see it. I hope this means possibly some more of you guys' classic favorite films are covered in future Like is that I don't see why not? Yeah There's a lot of classic films to cover There's plenty of the the great classics that we haven't seen that we need to knock off our list And who knows what will become of those watches. It's like, um When people say like, you know, say for example, this is am streamer someone You could do that to eddy film It's like you can and when you do it to something like Jurassic Park you start finding loads of really cool shit Yeah, it's it the the film actually gets better the more you look at it. There's a thought There's a thinker Rooney So this the this user asks are the raptors woke Yes Yes, because they're all girls just ridiculous and Overcombed saying that's what that is Yep Would rather watch this than creed five take my money Creed five. Oh, I think they've only gone up to three so far, but three isn't it creed three Why not I suppose, you know, maybe he's a time traveler and he's confused Well, and I'd say a time traveler and they they came to watch e-fap of all things nice Nice. They're they're catching up on the ones they missed live That's a responsible use of that power. Mm-hmm. The dinner conversation is top tier dialogue Yeah, I agree. It really is. Yeah They've all got a different perspective Uh e-fap on apple tv's prehistoric planet plausible Do you mean like if we would to watch prehistoric planet for e-fap tv doubtful Because we'd mostly just be enjoying it and then be like wow, this is just amazing. So there you go Uh happy to see you guys cover Jurassic Park seriously check out our camp cretaceous Oh, I think they meant check out camp cretaceous It's legit unique characters and it feels like true continuation of the original dreamworks did what the Jurassic world movies could never do It's an animated series from 2020. There were five seasons Wait, if it's from 2020, how does it have five seasons? Maybe they did a lot. They squeezed them in I saw Well, I said, yeah tv series from 2020 to 2022. How's it rated? Um, let's see. I mean rotten tomato says 92 from critics 78 from audiences Uh, imdb has 7.5 out of 10 Um Google's rated it really highly. So yeah, I'm actually not really that certain Oh seems like it's decent at least based off of those good. Happens. Yeah, check it out someday. Who knows Maybe I was humming the Jurassic Park theme all morning today was shocked when I saw today's topic Maybe a spider was humming into my ear last night while I slept like a portent Fighters will do that. Yeah They've been known to Uh more when is the last time you played Jurassic World Evolution 2? I only played it that one time and then I got distracted with stuff. I might go back to it at some point I don't know but You know how it be. God we got some other games coming out. So Maybe I'll find a way My dad had a friend whose father landed on Omaha beach and showed him the opening scene of save and private Ryan When it was over. He asked him. Was it that bad? His dad said worse Yeah, I I wouldn't be shocked by that Well, I recall that those were that that was the stories when um the film came out that a lot of world war 2 veterans Had to like leave the theater because they it was just too raw Yeah A lot gets captured in those kinds of films. That's why we want them to be sort of having a level of respect. Yeah, it's Saving private Ryan. There's an important movie beyond being an excellently made film Uh any plans to bring movie cynic onto efab also high fringo. Yeah, maybe it's um Maybe he's the lad I met on uh open bar Right. Oh possibly Also, can you review planet of the ape series? I do believe the directors did a good job on the cg So they'd be the That must be the new one, right? I see them. Yeah Oh, that's still three movies I mean, you know, it's not impossible. Just uh, I don't know when we'd be doing that Now I think I'd just rather watch all kinds of other stuff. I just don't really care about the planet of the apes things How come I just I just don't I just don't have any interest in it Have you seen them? No, because I don't have any interest in them Well I mean, that's a nice That's a nice convenient little loop there, isn't it? I just don't care. I don't hear you say that about basically anything. So what's the bias against planet of the apes? None. I just like I'd rather watch other things You fucking you've you've talked about how you wouldn't mind watching like those What were they were they my little pony or something or barbie movies at some point? Frank and the barbie movies? Yeah, well, how come they get a pass but planet of the apes gets put in the no pile? Yeah, let me tell you I don't know. I just think it'd be interesting to rank them and see how they stand Oh, yeah, so instead of watching three of the planet of the apes films we can watch what 30 barbie movies? I didn't say that I didn't say that It's not bar. It's not it's not was our um, but I don't think that I was uh advocating that We all sit around and watch 30 barbie movies and ranking them That would that's not an e-fap project and yet Have a desire to watch some of them. I don't think I would rank them and do so above watching planet of the apes Um I mean, yes, I don't know The fact that you don't as an e-fap project. I just uh, I I think I'll be planning the apes would work better for e-fap But for my own personal reasons um Ranking the barbie movies is just like Because they have a life goal I've seen so many of them growing up because I'm I'm the oldest to four And my sisters would watch a lot of those and so I've seen a bunch of them And even my sisters would really prefer some over the others even my dad had mentioned Oh, they're watching this one. This is one of the better ones or I fucking hate that one And so I'm like, huh, it's like there really are differences that people kind of pick up and and they have different vibes from one another and um I don't know just the fact that they're kind of a part of my childhood in a way as many uh, like Of that sort of thing is because you know, you know It was before you pick up a lot of stuff that your youngest siblings Watch you just absorb it. So well, I'm learning is it's a pity your sisters went more interested in planet of the apes I guess We be watching uh, we watching all the planet the eight the originals the weird tim burton one then the new ones Yeah It's all of them because um, have you seen all three of the new ones for me? Mm-hmm. I I think I saw the first two. I didn't see the third Ah And uh, I remember thinking they need I liked them a lot actually Who's the guy who made them again? Matt Reeves made the last two Uh before he moved on to the batman. I'm not I don't know who made the first one The first one of the reboot trilogy the second reboot trilogy of the planet of the apes, of course Just wanted to say I watched the new puss in boots after efab's coverage and I loved it Thank you all for all that you do Oh, well, I'm glad you really liked it. I was good to hear that people are uh, are into that movie We definitely want to encourage that sort of stuff to get made and rewarded whenever the last wish comes up I'm just like go watch it everybody. It's really good. Go watch it. Go go go go go Oh Huge recommend fun facts number one You t-rex is iRL accurate if you head cannon. It's malnourished Okay Do they mean the one from the film or do I assume they mean the one from the film, but I don't know I mean it's bigger belly. Well, I'm guessing it might be maybe that chunkier Then they appear in that film You know because of all the different things that we learn about what dinosaurs may well have actually looked like uh Yeah, maybe number two the iRL version of the deloft. Dillo. Dillo are they've got delaw? Either way, they said that that one's four times bigger iRL And then number three the movie should have used lizards not frogs Number four high rags Hello Very well, all right. Maybe I just I just don't know couldn't tell you myself Jurassic park is my favorite movie so happy to see this pop-up. It's a lot of people's favorites is really good Yeah, hopefully you enjoyed it gonna do an efap on nostalgia critics take on this film He has the most bizarre take on malcom's character. I've ever seen let me make a note and I'll go uh see what that's about I was about to say that might be and this is who Stalgic I can I can you know what I'll just take it at you at your word that he has a really weird take on something I believe you there's also one like share a comment About uh the stout review like I want to approach life with the confidence dug does whatever he makes a skit Or Anything like could I be wrong? Nah, nah, I probably couldn't pretty clever Pretty clever ants Yeah That might be so good That film. Yeah, it just uh it came and it went didn't it? Yeah, I mean it's it feels like uh, it's fading relevance is matching shazams and shazamity just came out You know what I mean? Like yes, like shazam. It's already Of course, you know barring whenever this is actually getting released. Yeah It seems that the conversation was already over. It's being concluded I think that's what it seems like that almost determines its relevance like the nature of what people have come to conclude about something Um and in particular if it's just regarded as being bad from the outset, then that's it Conversely a film like push and boots is kind of an interesting contrast because the longer That film is being discussed the more and more people are starting to pick up about it like little details Just they just keep getting noticed by people It's like a film that keeps improving as people talk about it. Whereas Everybody agrees that ant man is a clown movie. So that's the end of the conversation, isn't it? Yep Listening to you while I try to write really hope you do more of these discussions on past films Have you boys seen last action hero schwarzenegger movie that parodies action films and it has charles dance as the big bad It does. Yes I've seen it a long time ago It's like ages ago one of his less favored films, but at the same time is a pretty neat little idea So maybe we'll try that. I've not seen it, but I've heard I've heard neat neat things about it But I haven't uh, we really need to watch like now especially just to see because of all the you know It comes from a time that's There I say much more interesting the nature of what that film was even trying to be You know compared to where we're at now Yeah, the idea that a parody is better than things trying to be serious now It is maybe more so like what is a parody? You know, what does a parody look like 30 years ago compared to now? Like what are the tropes now? What are the conventions now of the genre? And yeah, like is is this parody movie legitimately More coherent than some of these superhero films Mosasaurus aren't dinosaurs. They're big lizards. No, really Listen, there's lots of fun facts that I um choose to almost always believe about the nature of dinosaurs and everything Sure, there's a phylogeny Technicalities and all kinds of stuff that go into what's a lizard and whatever a dinosaur is and the pterosaurs are there any other sort of thing, you know Oh my god, if I was covering Jurassic Park, this is a dream come true I've been waiting for a Jurassic Park. You've had for five years feels like 2018 again Oh, well, well, all right I really hope that you like it. Yeah Um covered the whole Sometimes repair all those notes to make sure we broke it down in a way that was fair to its script I would hope so And you know, hey, it was a seven hour stream. I think right Yes It's funny growing up sound like oh, yeah, I hated Jurassic Park because I thought it was boring Then I like grew up it quickly became one of my top five favorite movies of all time Man, was I an idiot as a little girl? Oh Yeah, you probably well, you know, that's just kids in general You know, you're pretty stupid. We don't typically put kids in charge of anything for that reason uh Yeah, so it works out. Hey, there you go Apologies Mola, but Morbius is the most memed movie ever. Therefore. It is the greatest of all time Is it the most memed movie ever because like it's the memes for it? I mean, they're not entirely gone, but it feels like a you know a star that burns twice as bright or we know whatever The office long twice as bright is that sort of thing. Yeah, meanwhile the prequels like that was going for ages and it still is I don't know if there's like revenge of the Sith is more memed than Morbius I think so the oh, yeah, but I guess the problem is it's it's almost unfair to compare because it's a film that's you know 17 nearly 18 years old compared to Uh a relative newcomer in the the world the memes I will say that is true though the what like the first decade of revenge of this life It was not memed to the degree it is right now. It was uh, it was later when it started to become memed I'm curious how that sort of became a thing how it became so You know heavily memed Like the internet process behind that phenomenon and how it picks up starts and picks up and then carries on because it just it's I don't know. Maybe it's the seriousness that people take the original and maybe people's ability to recognize its flaws and people's just general attitude that they have towards it um And the way that you can be like respectful of something but in sort of like a joking kind of way a nudge nudge Yeah, we you know, it's bad, but you know, we have fun and we all know it. We don't need to say it You know, we can have fun I think it's a lot simpler than that I think it was when people started to really think that they were bad But that's when they started getting memed and now it's turned into a more of a sign of endearment Kind of yeah, that sounds a lot sounds like it really it could be uh, definitely could be the case You brought him here to kill me Yeah, exactly like that's hilarious you turned her against me me Liar You're with him The gentleman it is with the delivery this is a serious story Yes, it's very serious. Stop laughing at me Ah Jurassic Park is hands down my favorite film of all time, and I'm so happy you and Robert Meyer Burnett are covering it Thank you all so much and of course high rags Hello Oh good stuff Uh, would what would a communist Jurassic Park be like? I don't know. I don't know. Um, I don't know either. I um I mean it would a state run arc for the general cultural Oh would it just be as simple as the T-Rex would have the little hat, you know He's got a little hammer and sickle Yeah, oh, yeah, he just carries them around everywhere Yep It's quite sharp, but he can't reach you so yeah, that'll be fine. Yeah Um, Samuel Jackson really nailed his character his expressions his gestures his arm truly wonderous. What was his name again? Uh, Arnold Arnold Yeah But or as I call him Samuel L Jackson I thought you're gonna say arm old arm old That part was so strange Yeah, that I like that pun. I got a hint to you and that was a good one Yo, this is the agent Cody Banks guy Pog. Yeah, I didn't even know that until that stream That that sucks that he like he was describing like how Robert now how how you can have an idea at the core and then by the time it goes It gets chewed through the entire system. It turns into something monstrous and horrible and not all what you want it Not that agent Cody Banks is some terrible film. I haven't seen it. Maybe it's good I haven't seen it either. Who knows it could be I have seen it, but obviously that would have been like close to when it came out I couldn't tell you anything about it Frank immune is is in it. That's all I know. Yeah Hey fat big fan for a long time. I have two questions one How can you objectively measure the quality of pacing in a work? um, I've often talked about how that one's really tough because Most people appeal to how they feel And then the way I've tried to move on from that is like information per time, but even then There's this suitable moments where you should have low information per time As in like one very big important thing is happening and we don't need to have lots of other things Yeah I think that you don't want to have scenes that don't give you anything or scenes that are overly redundant Scenes that maybe just don't give you any information Like if you could cut a scene and it just doesn't really do anything, you know, that that could be a part of it You want to be identified? You want to be able to identify what any sort of conversation or Piece of world building or Whatever it is, you know, it should be able to be it should be doing something it should be performing something to give an example that came up in one of my earlier videos about Ukulele everyone was saying that the Q&A portion that you get between levels was destroying the pacing because you'll go through a whole level of solving puzzles A different kind of combat all his collectibles fun fun stuff And then they'll just drop this bullshit on you You have to answer a bunch of questions and then once you're done with that you go back to do in the thing You were enjoying so it kills the pacing And like a lot of people were echoing it and I was just sitting there thinking to myself like I don't know it seems pretty good for pacing that you get this huge blast of all these different kinds of Collectible related things moving around the world puzzle solving combat blah blah blah And then like at the end the Q&A is about the world you just went through It's like hey, you've done it and now do you remember what you know this person said or do you remember how many blue balls you had to collect for the big old flimflam? and You know, you can I can't remember how it works. I think if you fail it you have to do it again Or I don't know exactly, but basically I was trying to make the argument that like How do you how do we determine whether or not this is good for pacing or bad for pacing when you can make a pretty good argument Both ways like I I really don't even know So the truth really is that pacing is complicated To say that something is well paced or poorly paced is Not easy No Because even when people appeal to the notion of well a scene needs to achieve something, right? Well, what what a scene achieves can be really You know that that can be hard to quantify Like if if you have a scene where you're just sort of moving through an area a character is moving through a location Um and seemingly nothing is clearly being achieved. It could just be building atmosphere What happens if you've got a long sort of quiet stretch because you're trying to build tension But like you're not necessarily advancing much by way of character, but you're building a vibe um Well, yeah, when I try to highlight all the fluff in the snider cut the responses I kept getting was like he doesn't know What tension building is Yeah, um now, of course Uh, just to some extent, you know things can get either really excessive in terms of being protracted or Incredibly fast But honing in on like what is good or bad pacing that's really tough And I think it can vary depending on the person. How many people think the blade runner is too slow? A lot of people do yeah a lot of people think blade runners too slow A lot of people would probably say the same thing of films like laurance of arabia or citizen cane as well um But I mean, I don't know it doesn't like the problem is if you say that to somebody and they say No, I was I was captivated the whole way through almost seems like the conversation is dead in its tracks Like I thought it was poorly paced. I disagree Like it's it's kind of hard to prove to somebody that no you were actually, you know Disengaged or or bored by what was happening. That's not really something you can prove to a person, you know I've actually I remember I was talking about this like potentially years ago that I was bored is like the Lowest tier quote-unquote criticism because it's actually basically nothing and I'm not trying to throw shade I've said it before um as usually as an intro to want to say someone else Tier two of I was bored is often it's badly paced Because it's like I don't have to actually say anything. I can just say that and that sounds better than I was bored That's because I think everybody accepts that boring is like hyper hyper subjective. Yeah Whereas when you say well, it's poorly paced. That's a little bit more authoritative Um, but at the end of the day, I was bored and it's badly paced more or less mean the same thing unless you can provide a real Explanation for why you feel that way um And I think that's I think it's really difficult a lot of the time with pacing Um, yeah, it's a hone in on anything concrete. So I would say generally avoid appealing to pacing Um, just focus on like what's being achieved on a on a scene by scene basis And whether it's working or it's not working. It's almost like and then I was gonna say it's almost like you throw it in as like a potential Interesting thing to have say for example, I was set talking about shazam If um, if I said oh, that was poorly paced and mel goes yeah, and then you go No, I don't think so. Why what what are you what are you thinking about when you say that and then I say Oh, just so many things happen so quickly like they don't really let anything breathe Like think about and then I name thing thing thing thing and I go and that was over the span of one minute Then you might be convinced or you could go no, I think they gave plenty of times to understand that You're making it sound fast. So when really, you know, blah, blah, blah Like it can cause interesting conversations. I think Um, I think it can for sure But when people get so fixated on that as like the crux of their claim for why a film is going bad um Tends to derail conversations Because it's just a really really difficult thing to uh quantify The second question was what separates a mediocre slash bad filler episode from a great one I mean Everyone's definition of filler is different. So we've got to get that sorted first Yeah, um, I mean really I don't think it being filler matters that much honestly Um, well, we'd probably give the same answers that we'd give for what makes a piece of media good. Yep The fact that it's filler doesn't really mentor into it. It just happens to be filler or it's not filler if um If we're going with there's a grand plot and there's an episode of the television show that doesn't relate to it in any way shape or form Then it's gonna have the same rules like you just said of storytelling. Basically, uh If it's one character who's just sitting down Reading a book or something in a room and you're like, well, that's automatically going to be bad. It's like no no no no You wouldn't know that Get a chance and stuff, but a lot of people will just say fuck that episode. It was filler and uh You know, yeah, we we talked about the same thing with the last of this coverage Like filler is more complicated than that and some of my favorite episodes of Buffy and Angel would be considered filler. So And of course, what are what are sitcoms? If not filler like consistently all the time like sitcoms that don't really have broad overarching serialized narratives Yeah, you know any given episode of The Simpsons isn't going to get you any closer to some like end point For that show But I mean it's all worthwhile Because at the end of the day whether or not it's valuable to you kind of isn't contingent on how much Advances the plot what makes it meaningful is how much you enjoyed it ultimately So hopefully that helps This is an unexpected surprise. I hope you do more breakdowns of classic movies Perhaps we will Maybe The irony of the movies saying people aboard of dinosaurs is that nostalgia critic wanted the films to go that direction But was mad that the new dinosaurs were also boring. Oh my god kill me Please don't tell me that's something he says Like they need to make the dinosaur What am I By what they've just described It's the nostalgia critic says that the future of Jurassic Park should have been more interesting dinosaurs But the ones they actually went with went very interesting Oh We just oh just we just need more interesting dinosaurs because you know t-rexes and velociraptors and all that Is just not interesting enough I feel like What does it mean for an animal to be interesting or not? Whether or not they're doing something it's the same zoo like mentality so many people have in it Uh, when they see a lion just lying there and they're like, hey That's not what you're supposed to do even though that's what animals do like for 90 of their time is just be sedentary. Yeah Um In any case, I don't know what dug necessarily thinks about Jurassic Park Like I said, I'll go a little look see at that at some point See how egregious it may or may not be I don't know Oh, please mauler. I would kill for a video series covering the newer films with you Well, I I did fall in kingdom um Dominion might happen someday. I'm not gonna deny that. I also wouldn't be against going back to uh the first one That's quite a movie Pretty bad that film's pretty bad and I get the impression that that film kind of hasn't gone through the tlj treatment Uh, not tlj force awakens treatment. Well, force awakens is kind of generally accepted to being bad Uh, I don't know what people think about like Jurassic world I don't know if anyone remembers it. It's just Yeah, that is there to pull away kind of But it just doesn't have any staying power Gosh this thing was my childhood along with the walking with dinosaurs series and it's still dear to me Glad I caught y'all live also high rags Hello On fact in the Jurassic park original novel the companies Sorry, the copies. I guess it's maybe a species eat a baby alive Also, dr. Hammond. They were oh, I guess they mean also because it's full stop and then also dr. Hammond I guess they mean he got eaten too They were also venomous with poison that made you sleepy Well Boogie, I think robert was saying uh, there's a couple of different things that happen in the book Yeah Nobody, uh, nobody wants to talk about Jurassic park being inaccurate to the source though. Do they? Um, maybe they do I mean, I'm just trying to point out that like that seems to be the the Brux of a lot of conversations about adaptations these days, but nobody's gonna be touching Jurassic park for that Yeah, I don't think people are very uh, don't think people are very consistent when it comes to the adaptation argument I would rather say Red Jurassic park the book that's probably why and here's the thing. I have read Jurassic park the book, but it was so long ago I just can't remember a lot of it. Mm-hmm There seems to be a lack of variety of dinos in Jurassic world before implementing hybrids How about making different species or more realistic dinos? I don't know. There's there's so many for them to Be in like, yeah, but Jurassic park did all the cool ones like try saratops stegosaurus and t-rex and velociraptors And be like half of that is the movie making them cool and showing them and stuff like You got it was an incredible You didn't see any like stegosaurus Really? And the tryus triceratops we got was just a sick one on the ground exactly this, you know It bugs me to no end You've got an enormous actual history of dinosaurs to be able to use but you've also got like used the current ones in different ways Because they can't make a fucking Jurassic film without putting a t-rex in it. Anyway, so they know that that still draws people in It's not like people are bored of the t-rex If people are bored of a t-rex, you have failed miserably as a filmmaker Like wow, you made a t-rex boring. I don't know how you manage that but you did Jurassic park movie where humanity goes extinct dinosaurs take over the world and then evolve into sapient human like dinos Who then make a Jurassic park with humans repeating the cycle? Oh god What So instead of Jurassic park humans humans human park they're all trapped. Well, I was gonna say human park But remember Jurassic is is a an era So But we haven't named that era anything cool. I guess The human era park Yeah, well, I guess maybe it would be human park then Officially the current epoch is the holocene which began 11,700 years ago after the last major ice age All right, okay, then I guess it would be The holo we are we are we are members of the holocene epoch. That sounds cool neat The holocene epoch Atmola he's talking about the tyranid ecosystem that consumes planets in warhammer 40k Super advanced planets that devour all the soil nutrients for harvesting by the tyranid warships Okay, I'm not familiar with warhammer 40k. I'm afraid They're like the zerg of the warhammer franchise. I guess I'm one of the zerg they're like the No, they're like the they're like the The the the the bugs the the star super bugs of the the Starcraft world Read the member chats first, please they disappear and that's part of why are we doing it this way from now on? Which will sound the same to those at home, but for me I got to chop up All the pieces that they come in because until youtube fixes that I guess Thanks youtube These sorts of things wings quote of the day crying chair squeak dog whimpers Yeah, I'm familiar with that one Well, I I figured it was that one. Yeah, unless there's another instance of that that i'm unfamiliar with Maybe he's running out of quotes finally. He's had quite a quite a how can you run out of wings quotes? I don't know. Maybe it's possible. I wouldn't want to assume Um watch primal. It's a fascinating story of blended eras of animals You can start at episode one or skip to season two episode five for the thesis of the show Yeah, that's uh I think that's what they would be referring to I need to watch it. I I hear that it's cool. I hear that it's good too, but I have not seen it Alrighty I can't stand when people downplay all the effort that goes into CGI today Like it still takes tons of effort and time and to be honest the effects here don't look good They're impressive, but to downplay the time it takes, you know The effects here don't look good. I don't know if I agree with that even I think the Jurassic Park has aged quite well Sure, it doesn't look like it came out today But it's really impressive for a film that is 30 years old this year. How good it looks Um, it's really impressive. Uh, but yeah, I mean I totally agree. I think uh I think that it's important to be pointed in terms of like criticism of the current sort of media landscape and use of visual effects Um, because yeah visual effects are a tool just like practical effects Um, and just like there are good practical effects. There are good visual effects There are plenty of films with great visual effects Um, if anything all the avatar 2 sort of proved was that it really is a matter of time constraints that are seriously hampering What we see from like marvel because avatar 2 like that film looks incredible Consistently the equivalent I think is that if we had several examples of the balrog type situation And then we had a bunch of creatures like from dead space 1991 remember that guy That just kept happening in all these movies and then every once in a while you get a balrog and you're like man That cg looks so fucking it They need to stop relying on puppets puppets are done puppets need to stop like and that's what seems to be happening people And it's like no no no puppets can be amazing Like absolutely fantastic. It can be legitimately super cool We don't need to shit on the whole thing. We need to shit on like the practices where they force people to make like intense cg Still remember that stupid black panthe fight where it looked like. Yeah, it looks so awful Like it's like what the hell And I mean we had it in quansimania, right? Cassie run and uh Yeah, this has been going for so what is that like Probably six years that they've been doing this like kind of horror show with cg it seems to it seems like um It seems like it was black panthe was kind of the beginning because I don't remember a moment before that where we went. Oh at the cg. No, it's not just strange had some pretty cool Effects going on with like the environments and stuff civil wars are pretty well integrated. Um, Yep, I remember spider-man homecoming looking pretty good Oh Thor Thor Thor Ragnarok might have been when it was like, oh, that's not as good like hella Hella, yeah, yeah, yeah, but then you had again. We saw what what really focused lengthy post production time Yielded in terms of Thanos and infinity war and endgame like that's it's really well Well integrated, but yeah, I don't know the last couple years in particular. It's been It's been bad. Um, but then but again, you can look at other films that have done a really good job Like uh, like avatar Yep, so cg. It's a tool my bad. Yep There's plenty of good uses. It's just on the marvel side Jesus Um The dylo was worked on by one guy and it was his first creature They had to bring to life that scene still holds up in my opinion I mean, I'm assuming he was given the time of space he needed Damn one guy. That's that's kind of nuts. Good job guy Yeah, whoever you were it's like geez it holds up That guy might be dead, but his work is like still able to be appreciated Hell, yeah This movie made me love movies and dinosaurs. Yeah, this is one of those movies that makes you go Ooh, this movie thing is kind of cool, huh? Yeah, cinema is pretty neat Takes your way to magical worlds Also, there is talk about a Jurassic Park prequel. I'm terrified. I'm supposed to take place It's supposed to take place from 80 to 84 How bad do you think it could be and how good do you think it could be depends who's making it? I mean, it could be good. It could be bad, but yeah, as was mentioned It depends on who makes it and if they give a shit Oh There's a lot of the times whether people seem to have a particular passion or a care for what they're doing It's a big part of it We'll see about that one Absolutely love your complete breakdowns perfect for a workday Mongos for life. That's that's the team that I have on adam as such as the mongo the mongo's We glad to hear it mongo's It's taking me three years to go from episode one to 200 and by gum I will get up to date on your curly whirly butt munchers And I've been enjoying it all the way also high-fringy kick rags and bang mohler goodness never Interesting measures of course Fun facts sam jackson's death was cut because of a storm destroying equipment Also, all delofasaurus in the jeep jp series are juveniles adults are six times 20 foot So 120 foot is that we're saying or or six by 20 I assume that's what they mean because 120 feet is uh, I don't think I believe that They get to be big boys Yeah, uh hashtag neurotic raid. Hello massives. Great to see you breaking down another great movie Oh, yeah. Hi. And thanks. I hope you enjoy it Uh, just wanted to thank you guys for arousing my interest in objective media criticism and the craft of storytelling Keep doing the dawn's work high rags Hello Yeah, you bet really glad that we could uh, at least in a way sort of introduce you to this concept We have of ours that has made us so many so many friends over the years Exclusively friends exclusively friends. We're beloved Reminder that the life of pie is 90 cgi Dude this I I didn't feel It's annoying that I have to defend CGI in certain moments Like why am I having to do this cg is like amazing We all know it could be amazing Well, it is kind of interesting that uh, because I mean especially Adoring video games it feels like it would be very strange to Really love and respect video games as a medium and then not like visual effects. Yeah, you know what I mean Because I mean what what are video games if not a cent? Well, I mean, it's all computer generated imagery exactly And I mean god damn like the way that games can look Uh is really cool across, you know, like the broad spectrum of games that are trying to be hyper realistic or hyper stylized cartoonish. Yeah A shilling for the dinometer. Thank you very much Or a dinometer. Is that what it would be? Oh, uh, I guess because they put dino dash meter So I took it as like dinometer Like a thermometer could very well be DINOMETER Yeah, I think if it if it was to catch on I think people would start calling it the DINOMETER like a thermometer And the alternates I assume so yeah Robert's point reminds me of how independence day uses stereotypes for each character as a shorthand and then develops the character from there Like the crazy UFO guy being the stereotype but with extra variables I haven't seen it in a long time All I know is that I recall independence day having particularly well fleshed out characters I don't actually want to make a claim one way or the other because I haven't seen it in so long All I remember is that it's very well favored in general and uh red letter media get themselves in trouble whenever they talk about it Because they hate it. Is that generally well favored? Is it? Yeah Oh Okay, uh, yeah, it might be I guess it's because for me it's like ah, yeah, Roland Emmerich I like that movie. I enjoy it, but I mean I don't know 8 non Roland That man gave us the moonfall movie. So why don't you back up? What a film? Yeah Oh, no, I mean, I like I like some of his films. I mean, I like the day after tomorrow Um, I really like the page for it Uh, I don't like 2012 though 2012 is the one that annoys me a lot um BBT laughs at nerds and nerd culture It's mean-spirited and awful as well as not funny most of the time I hate that it's so successful and popular. Oh big bang theory, right? Oh, well, I mean the butt of the jokers, huh? You like Babylon 5 or Battlestar Galactica Ha loser And then you lame. Yeah, there's some people at home like I know someone who likes those things Yeah, but I'm not gonna tell them I'm just gonna watch this show Eddie is a hero and I think it uh, I think it was for real dangers I'm not sure what that means, but Eddie was a hero. That's true Uh, Nedry should come back in Jurassic Park 8. Nobody's ever really gone exactly We didn't actually see him die. It was just implied heavily Yeah And he was very strongly implied he could have he could have successfully fought it off and snuck off the island And then they do it's possible. They make like one of those stupid Marvel spin-off shows and it's just called Nedry I guess you should just call it Dennis Yeah A Jurassic Park tale Uh Highly recommend reading the book Jurassic Park by Michael Crichton. The tone is much more horror novel than dinosaur adventure plus clever girl ozzy guy lives Oh man, the more I'm hearing about the book the more I'm thinking like why haven't people complained that it's it shits on the source You know when you change tones the movies so Yeah, everybody likes the movies. The movie's so good. That is the correct answer Um Imagine trying to say Jurassic Park is bad because it it's on the source. No one will take you seriously. They'd be like Well, maybe they'll make the weird argument of yeah, but people know about the film more than the book So the the film in a sense supersedes the book as like the primary source An argument you do not want to make because most of the public now knows iron man as his portrayal in the mcu Most people know the vast majority of uh comic book characters by their films rather than their comic books Longer that the mcu goes on the more that you would have to appeal to the mcu as your primary source So and nobody wants to do that Right, don't do it Um a capital ship would need to turn slowly though because a mile wide ship will be a meat grinder for the people inside it With fighter jets the pilot is in the center of gravity and can survive the smallest spin Thank god for inertial dampener technology. I don't know why that would have come up. Did we talk about that at some point? um, i'm not sure we talked about it in um Uh, I've oddly enough the last mando episode But uh, I don't exactly know what that's referring to that though that is true. Um, if you have a ship Um, that that is very long Then depending on the your yaw or pitch or the way that the ship moves the people who are on the edges of the ship where it's experiencing the most Uh, or sorry the height not the highest speed the highest change in speed Um, those are the ones who are really gonna get the um, yeah, so uh Uh, it's an interesting thing to consider for like ship design Yeah, if you the closer you keep people to the middle the less they will be affected by the ship like rotating or spinning Of course speeding up slowing down Um, you know changing directions quickly will still affect them. Which is why I think you know Like star wars has like or star trek has things like inertial inertial dampeners And the artificial gravity is in you know, sometimes alluded to in sci-fi stuff. Yeah So yeah, little things that you could just add in is throw away lines or It could make for really clever potentially super grisly ways to Kill enemy combatants as to like hack their inertial dampeners inside of it Um, and they don't know so that when they make suddenly make a turn or a move or they take off You know, everyone inside is killed by the you know, the sudden movement of the ship that they're not attached to Like you make it register as though it's functional to the command or whatever. Yeah, exactly Um, it's kind of why I think if you wanted to make a a science fiction World but have things be very sort of old school quote unquote Then you say things like uh hacking is so prevalent And you know disrupting ship That technology is so prevalent in war that they want a hard wire and keep everything localized and Um as I guess analog is possible to prevent that kind of a thing That way you can excuse having people on guns on the side of the ship and things of that nature And otherwise it would probably all be completely computerized As a paleontologist, I could have told you all about the dinos in general not just inaccuracies Also, my friend and former co-worker is a huge jp fan. So don't let him know how much you hate the sequels Oh, dude, I know plenty of people love the lost world I know a lot of people think the drafts park 3 is great as well And then there are people who like the drastic world who are like, yeah Falling I've seen that there are people who are angry at me for my fallen kingdom take. It's fine. It's totally fine Everyone has their own Big ol faves and preferences. It's great even I haven't seen Jurassic park 2 since I was a kid And three cents about that time. I haven't seen those in ages. So I'm having recently rewatched the lost world It's uh, it's quite flawed Always remembered it that way Like surely it's not as bad as I remember and then I rewatch it. I'm like It's it's quite flawed, uh, but it's not Still not like what the drastic world films are Can't speak to dominion, but I Imagine the dominion is uh Not very good He's trying to describe a blend of effects that can draw your senses into belief what we'd call immersion in a word As much as that's fair the problem is everyone has a different line for what will make them believe any given thing So I love to talk about like, hey, they do this thing to make it feel more You know, even down to like in video games when they make guns more accurate to like how they work in real life and get Like original sounds that are all taken from the guns in real life. It's like all this stuff helps you really feel like Stuff is more like you're there and it's like it's stuff that I would appreciate too But the fact is it's like, you know, if you if you make a claim like you won't believe Something like the prequels, but you will believe Jurassic Park's like what about the people who totally buy into the prequels though Which there are plenty of you know, and I never want to take that away from anybody's personal experiences There's always someone Who was like heavily I saw comments about people being super immersed into shazam because finally they don't have to watch like a shitty dower movie About whatever or or um, even like trying to put it above Marvel films in terms of like it doesn't have It commits to the comedy. It doesn't have awkward tonal shifts or something. This is like sure I don't think we saw I saw a tweet just the other day Um, someone's saying that you know, it's been four days and I haven't heard one single valid complaint about Shazam too You know movies movies really incredible people are just not seeing it for what it is They don't have media literacy like people just live in these delusional worlds well as much as they wouldn't be able to argue like in any way of Coherency in the script they will still tell you and they're not lying their experience was incredibly positive And they were super missed in the movie and it's like all right You know Yeah, okay, all right good stuff glad you enjoyed it Uh fun fact Jurassic Park and westworld were both created by the same author Michael Crichton too bad Both of them suffered terrible written terribly written sequels Well, yeah, uh as is the same for 90 percent of ip's Yeah, I think Michael Crichton directed uh westworld as well as writing it He was involved in uh at least somewhat. I think in the show as well. I don't know Uh, when did when did he pass away? Did didn't he pass away? Or was it 2000 It was either 2008 or 2018 I don't know why I've got that but If he died in 2008, then he wouldn't have been involved in the show. I would imagine. Oh, yeah No, yeah, maybe I'm mixing something up with someone else because Uh, I didn't even know he died so It's a fascinating conversation to have but the point is subjective immersion comes in many forms From person to person and it's all down to what they've experienced. There's no answer to this point I still I'm happy to discuss like what elements can help immersion You know like the amazing puppetry and the movements of the dinosaurs like I would add to of course I would use that along with a bunch of other things to say why this will Immerse a person But you know if someone walks up to and says what the fuck do you mean? I was never I never thought this was anything other than just some crappy puppets. You're like, oh Yeah, I mean, all right With that conversation to prove or disprove Yeah, you compliment the filmmaking techniques, but ultimately, you know You believe it or you don't everybody has a different line for immersion and suspension of disbelief Like everybody's got a line the more relevant part is that everybody does have a line um But yeah, where that line is drawn varies from person to person Uh, remember when we were talking about Jurassic Park pepperage farm remembers We did go on. Yeah, those were the days Eddie getting eaten gives tension to nick when he goes to the village alone The raptors and t-rex don't care who you are moments later raptors are in the village is nick dead We don't know yet. Yes. I needed to see a heroic innocent man get torn to shreds To know that t-rex is a dangerous. That's true Because up to that point, I couldn't tell that I was looking at them. Yeah, I thought it would chill. I don't know why Why do you yeah the you're right as uh As many young earth creationists say those massive teeth are just used to chew up tough Melons and fruits because of course they didn't eat meat before the fall of man I don't even I'm trying to think of like if there's anything Could you make any argument about something that's distasteful in a film without someone just going? Well, you know what it's in order like the example from 2012 for you I could be like it's to show the dangers of the ship or it's to show the date like a how Right, you're just like okay because the fact they said the t-rex doesn't care that Eddie's a hero. It's like I know Yeah, no, I I know I Yeah, that's kind of one of those instances of um Are we are we having a real conversation here or are you just looking to get some dunks? Because yes, I know that the t-rex is not aware that this is a story in which there are people who are doing heroic things and people who are doing Dastardly things. I know that The first shot of the t-rex is so iconic Yeah, most of the shots are iconic in this honestly Yeah, most of them are actually it's uh, it's very much a case where It is really leveraging film as a medium, you know where each shot is interesting Uh transformers is a perfect example of annual Anurisming anurisming anurism hmm I know anurism but anurism Anurisming on CGI Maybe they just mean Like a brain anurism anurisming like an overload almost well because That was the sentiment when the even the first one came out when it went You were just like I can't I can't even understand what's happening Like considering how simple and straightforward the designs are for the original cartoon Yeah, like everybody's got very clear silhouettes If anything, they're quite blocky Rather than being like overly complicated and yeah, you know like in those films They'd have those long like 30 seconds Watch and like oh, yeah And then yeah, it's a bit a bit over the top But now they've uh, they've sort of gone back on that I mean we're seeing it now with like bumblebee and the new transforms that's coming out this year The big problem actually trying to emulate the style of the original cartoon The big problem came in when you had two of them on three or four Whatever in a big pile up and you're like, I literally can't see where one ends and one begins I have no idea what's happening Especially when their color schemes were deliberately pad back a lot of the time I guess bumblebee and Optimus Prime Still tended to stand out but everybody else kind of blurred together But yeah, now they're they're moving away from that. They're actually Making them look like they are the 80s cartoon, which I personally prefer. I like those designs Rip the real-life pay for 2023 to 2023 Not entirely sure what you mean by that but gone Uh, Mueller, I don't know if you remember this but don't feed the gays Now that that's a quote. I can't I think there was some kind of joke that you'd have like gays in a zoo or something and Don't feed the gays That was the vague memory But uh, you never know when things are out of context. They could be anything The actor for a lawyer did a sketch on college humor about him being expendable was pretty funny Fair enough Did either of you have a watch college humor? Yeah, I watched the batman sketches. They was I think they're still funny Ah, I was only asking because I never did really at all Um, like I said, the the only ones I can really remember. I think I would have seen some other ones, but nothing Early internet era for me was much more uh, like new ground sort of cartoons and Video games stuff Yeah, I watched all that and channel awesome and Ims back then and of course red letter media They all It was cringe back then and I remember just thinking of myself like Amazing the these are the lads that are like set in the set in the bar on Because like we have to do that at some point. I've told people we totally will we'll cover the channel awesome films um like kikassia and The one where they do like sci-fi or fantasy or whatever. I remember when they were releasing I was just like fuck. He's so cringy And yet people like super excited and happy about them and then you find out they were like a nightmare to make Right And now they have the reputation they do of basically everyone hates them including the people who made them Well, I what like the films or just all everything just everything. Yeah, because like it's it's uh connected directly with all the trouble Like I think it's called it's called change the channel hashtag change the channel, right? That was a bit Like I said, I have no idea. I'm not not really familiar with channel awesome I remember there was a complaint so like they didn't properly cater or supply water The actors were paid, you know all that kind of stuff. Oh, no Um, it's my birthday tomorrow. Can I get a happy birthday from frogo good boy and long man? Yeah, it's a happy birthday. I have a really great birthday. I hope your birthday was great Yeah, belated happy birthday belated. Hope you had a good one Yeah Got metroid prime efap when I wonder how that would look Um, that would be interesting because I I'm not I as as I was speaking I was kind of developing new thoughts on uh on that idea I think uh, I guess, you know, we'd all play it again and then just talk about uh, mainly be mechanics and world building stuff I guess I feel like it'd be worthwhile to just Delve into all of them essentially if that was something that we wanted to do Mm-hmm Like I almost feel like to prep for that It would be a good idea to basically play all of the metroid games or at the very least also play super metroid and metroid fusion Um, so i'm just going to read this out as it's said because I don't even remember exactly what was being discussed at this point Rags is wrong about ecosystems Nishes don't change but organisms can get better at filling them after all microbes used to be the entire biosphere Ecosystems are the organisms not the niches I don't even know that's referring to what I said. I don't I got nothing for it. I just yeah likewise Um, it's at the point with this franchise where I cheer for the dinosaur you can only make the same mistakes so many times before I lose all sympathy They kind of want you to do that Like I said with the the t-rex killing the villain and a lot of them is like yeah t-rex. Whoo. Good boy. That sort of thing Because uh Yeah, I don't know and I just I think it makes it a farce at that point Well, I just saw Gavin McKinnon's piss on fnt. That's not what they mean by stream Gavin. So how about them dinos? You know the dinosaur is cool. I love dinos Um, yeah, not the wisest decision on a live stream, but hey, you know what? Uh, that's what you get for inviting Gavin McKinnon seconds Just it's just kind of funny because like all I know about him is how much he just despises pop culture Well, I think my first exposure to him was build a table as opposed to I don't know consume art I'm gonna keep consuming our fuck tables I mean, so I got plenty of tables Yeah, I mean, I mean what do we really need more tables, you know, honestly Is I feel like we're in a table surplus This is a general sort of sense, but the president announces like an end to tables. We don't need any more We're a tax on tables tables specifically get taxed more Every table maker all over earth is like, I don't even want to make tables anymore. I want to You know what? Yeah, I want to build some cabinets. Yes. These tables, you know Poppins is against tables Yeah, that sounds like a Sounds like a film that's gonna make I was thinking that yeah But more so I was thinking about how much money that film would make at the box office billions at least Uh, I mean, I mean billions. Wow really you're you're I can only billions Well, I didn't want to say trillions because I know everyone's like trillions I don't think you understand the idea we're dealing with here Yeah, this this this film was worth as much as the u.s. Economy. Mm-hmm This next one says first time live Hello, oh Like my birthday. Yeah I guess I was alive before then No guys, I'm really glad that you were here. You need to see Patton do an e-fap on it Someone has recommended this movie to us before oh this this this particular account he He every single live stream I appear on doesn't matter if it's Any of the other places on the internet you'll say go watch Patton I'll have to see Patton. It's like Wow Some point it'll probably happen. I guess But uh, you know, you just got to fit in somewhere Oh more is overwhelmed with the love of fans smiley face. It does happen Guys, uh, it can be awful nice sometimes Don't let it go to your head I shalt I shalant I grew up on Jurassic Park three comparing the raptor trap in three to the og So much more set up to how they get the hunter versus when they kill the guy in three and use him as bait is more Oh, they did that smart trap. Look Man, that's stressing my memories. Is it that they have I think it's a guy who's wounded And they leave him on the ground in like an open area So that he can yell for help and the raptors are waiting for people to help him so that they can then get Uh, and I think what this comment is saying is that in the film, you're just like, oh, that's the thing they they can do Okay. Yeah, they're smart enough to do that. All right. Meanwhile in Jurassic Park You know, uh, Alan described the whole thing well before we see it This thing Hey, maybe Mark. They are yeah building up that is a possibility Dude, what's the one thing I think I really realize on this particular watch through of Jurassic Park How much they build up the raptors before they get the huge sequence? Oh, yeah Uh, more is like I don't even think we see one until, um Uh Hunter man spots one through the through the woods Is that the first time we actually see one? I forget I think you might be right. Yeah, or is that after one of them's uh jump scares ellie This is before he well, actually, I don't know what happens first because they're sort of happening Really close to each other. I don't yeah, I can't remember which actually happens first Um, this one says Mola is like the sun orbited by Fringy and rags Well, I happen to think it's they're off doing their own things as well They're all little solar systems in the galaxy providing like I'm the moon Hey, I mean moon's pretty cool. I like the moon I'm I'm yeah, I'm like a lovely moon planet just orbiting around Just having a good old time This one says we appreciate rmb's contribution to the stream with an exclamation point That's good. I'm glad Um, and this one says I appreciate rmb too This is just great positivity. That's what I think Hi rags and efap, how would you show a check-offs gun situation in a film without bashing the audience's Audience over their head and preventing them from expecting it and waiting for it. Basically, how do you make it subtle but not as pulley? Uh, so an interesting way to do it is misdirection. Um, the example That I would provide is the one that is used in archer where Archer specifically has a gun that's called check-off Um, obviously most people well, not most people but uh, plenty of people are familiar with the concept of check-offs gun But like specifically calling this gun check-off It kind of like just draws people's attention to the gun to the point that they ignore the actual check-offs gun Which is a cap, uh, it which is a pen that is uh, like delivers a deadly neurotoxin But the cap just falls off for no reason and then that's actually what uh, is the major plot device later on in the episode So that's a cool one where um In a sense by beating people over the head with a false check-offs gun You can see all the real check-offs gun really well Well, uh I was thinking like it's you sort of reverse engineered I guess it feels like so at the end the alien's gonna burst through the ceiling and grandma's gonna get a gun that she has And she's gonna shoot it in the head, but we want that to be a surprise Why does she have a gun where she get it from? Like maybe she has like an old collection that her husband left behind from his war stuff You know like okay And that's all like upstairs in a closet somewhere and it's like so how do we let people know that that exists? And it's like well, you couldn't talk about the histories and characters and stuff But you don't want to be like oh man All the things we kept from his old war days like his gun when they look at the screen You want to be another thing? Yeah, you name a whole bunch of things and the gun is in there as an example And you're making me think of something that is often a problem whenever You have like a specific shot on an item like when they cut to a shot that focuses in on an item Like in a in an otherwise normal scene of characters talking You subconsciously register. Ah, that's important So like even the way that you frame something can give it away So like if it zooms in on a key item that somebody puts down or the key item is like in frame In clear focus while the characters are in the background those sorts of things can subconsciously queue and of course, that's kind of the point of those shots, but uh Error on the side of caution I would say Because it can really give it away That I think um, I think that the easiest way to do it is to essentially cloak what really matters in Amongst a bunch of other material hot fuzz is a really good example of uh A story that cloaks a lot of important information Amidst a bunch of other important information Like in a sense because everything is so important There's no specific like check-offs gun to hone in on It's just persist and set up and pay off. You just don't know when um Yeah, I think I think it's what you said. We're going to send you know the hoodies, right? We get highlighted at them doing their spray tag and shit. It's annoying at one point and then You know, that's just among many of the things they try and clean up in the town The village and then and then later on when they all rush into a um Go shop You know like it's like, oh, we remember them and they're the ones that spray can the the security cameras Yes, and of course the cameras themselves were set up in other scenes. Yeah, like that's the film I think to do with them That might be the ultimate set up and pay off film ever. I don't know. There's probably a couple Hot fuzz is one of the most tightly constructed films. I've ever seen in my life Yeah, um, if you want a good example of set up and pay off just watch hot fuzz twice over Then and then you have a really good understanding of what that looks like Yeah Molly you're perfect to review season three of the card because you're not a trackie I mean that goes both ways. I guess a lot of people will be like why is even here Well, some people will be like, oh, it's interesting to have someone who doesn't even know about star trek here When you said it goes both ways I thought you meant was season three of star trek was ideal to review you because it's not a human And then I'm like wait. No, that doesn't make sense. What? I don't know This is what came to my brain and I was like no brain. That's not what that means I've seen a lot of discourse about that season many people getting angry at each other about whether or not we're allowed to say It's good. I'm sitting here not having seen it being a non-track you just being like I hope I hope that works out track fans. Whatever's going on over there We're dealing with mando right now. I just want to go back to and or Give me more season two please Interesting fact Jurassic park was the first movie to show us dinosaurs that looked real Oh, yeah, so I've heard though. I have heard That's what the word on the street is Uh Hello all my wife enjoyed fellowship. Our marriage survives another test I only worry for her realization of gimli's deep desire for Frodo to die I hope that she will be able to uh make it That's wild that that was it would be so fucking funny if unprompted the wife was like Why does why does the dwarf character want the hobbits to die so much? Even the short ones would want to stick together. Oh my goodness. It's cut throat Geez Did you guys realize you're doing this on the year of the movie's 30th anniversary fun coincidence if not I did not know that because uh, I floated the idea just because Uh, there was like a week where there wasn't any new releases. I think I just said, oh, how about like an old, what about old releases? It's been seven. I didn't actually we've we've tooled around with doing for a while. So it was a really great chance to have an experiment Yeah, and uh, I find it immensely valuable to look at great films, uh from the past I'm especially like the enduring legacy that they have and where it would have uh come from I want to see films from the future Well, you will soon enough Who oh wow The electric fence didn't work because it was in the middle of an amphitheater. This is my favorite part I think I know this is my favorite part is a reference And then whenever I see someone say in the middle, I am now paranoid that they're talking about That video we covered like years ago that said the middle is everyone's favorite part That word has been ruined There's no more middle Uh, the t-rex didn't attack the raptors to save the humans. It was a please don't tell me you think that's what we thought Of course, that's Oh, didn't we didn't we explicitly say that that's obviously not what happened? Well, I'm pretty sure we just said it was lucky as fuck. Yeah, if anything, it's kind of a flaw Yes, yes So I'll read the whole thing the t-rex didn't attack the raptors to save the humans It was a territorial dispute the t-rex wanted competition off its hunting ground dinos are not heroes I just I hope this is just a general thing you're saying and not at all in competition with anything We were saying because That was your broad point was that they've almost misunderstood that scene so much Yeah, I said the t-rex into the protagonist essentially excluding the timing of it That scene is the only one in the whole series that gets away with doing it properly, which is just a t-rex eating raptors That's all that's happening there. Well in the other ones. It's like the hero t-rex kills the villain. It's like what the fuck Yeah So yeah, don't worry. We didn't we didn't think that that's that's that's no problem Uh fringy are you're a bird and therefore a dinosaur? Uh, well, I'm not a bird, but if I was a bird I guess birds still count as dinosaurs do they Oh, I'd have to check if that's a valid thing. I think that they're often called basically modern day dinosaurs Well, I mean not as often as they're called birds or apes obviously, but you know Birds can be spooky like cassowaries raptor like I wouldn't say the cassowaries are spooky I think cassowaries are just like scary normal kind of scary Normal they're also kind of neat Yeah, I like lovecraftian Well in the same way if you encountered a lion like if you encountered a lion just out on a walk You'd probably be scared, but like it's not spooky So i'm like, I know what that thing is capable of damaging me and I'm me So, yeah, that's and I would like to not be damaged Uh, yeah, that's that's scary just get all classic fear for my safety kinds of stuff In quotes, we won't break the glass ceiling will break the wall A quote inspired by rings of power metaphors You know, you need to include the third part which says we will then rebuild the wall Which just makes it even more confusing. It's like what are you talking about? There is a wall inside me I mean, I don't know if you know rags. That's a real quote, uh But we won't break the glass ceiling will break the wall and then we'll rebuild it Oh, yeah, when was this from this was from empower Oh, right because the marvel documentary series A quote that I still to this day. I'm trying to figure out. I'm not quite sure what she means Wait, oh, right knocking down right well because if you knock down the walls the ceiling is just gonna collapse on your head No, if you rebuild the wall straight away easier than which is rising Which is which is way easier than like rising up to crash through the ceiling is to just bring the ceiling down to you Yeah, there you go. Make everything shit. Maybe that's what that means Well, it just seems like an instance where you thought there's there's a metaphor I'm gonna make a better one, but you haven't really thought it through very well and so you end up saying something confusing That's uh, that's all that comes across as to me Also calm down Hi rags Hello, have any of you read the fine lads red iron rand and what did you think? Um, I've read many of her works. I think I've read four books of hers. Um We the living anthem the fountain head and antlers shrugged and I liked them. I I enjoyed them um But you know, I It's not like I read them and it completely revolutionized my philosophy on everything. I was you know, I read them and I was chill about it I have not read them Me either. I have not read iron rand You go We need to compare rose tlj versus Hammond drastic park Sav what love Uh, what's the comparison? rose t was like rose tlj and Hammond drastic park Uh What would be the comparison between the two Hammond? I don't know Yeah, I'm not I'm not seeing I'm not seeing what the uh Like sort of common element is for those characters Rose's thing would be We save what we love don't destroy what you hate Um man, you remember how like rise of sky walker just totally disregarded her like completely Yeah, they had to do a major attempt at course correction after they still didn't No, I mean Remember they have a awful ray tosses the lightsaber and luke catches it It's like see look guys. He caught the lightsaber this time instead of throwing it. Do you like us yet? I was about to say ryan, but that was jj jj Oh, dude. Yeah, rise of sky walker was something else. Nobody liked it. He hasn't made anything for a while has he? Yeah, he's been sitting in the corner of shame for a while Well, the corner of shame where he's been getting paid a lot of money by Warner Brothers for like three years To develop and produce nothing so far Uh hero t-rex eats goat layer raptors Very well And then Jurassic park three ruined grants development everything that happens in that movie could have been done with grant Married and having kids even better with the plot Yeah, they I think they say like his relationship with ellie got fucked up And uh, I can't remember more of it than that, but I remember people being annoyed at that Another example I can think of when I did that was ted. Have you guys seen ted and the sequel ted 2 I'm not seeing ted or ted 2 Well, so you would remember mola that the central thrust of the narrative was the relationship between mark wallberg and mila kunis Right, and then they got together in the end and they got married and then in the second one because I think of scheduling conflicts Mila kunis couldn't do it. So it's just like, oh, yeah, it didn't work out It's just kind of this awkward like, you know, like I get it. You couldn't get her back, but Like there's this kind of no getting around the fact that that was like the main goal of that character in that film To just be like, yeah, they broke up. It's just not very satisfying. Is it I mean it's a comedy. You do break up They could have like played that as a comedic thing that how she's never around Oh, well, it's because uh, they had a new thing for mark wallberg where he needed to get back on get back on that horse, you know um, and that was with uh Amanda sofrid Who are they persistently said had golem eyes They said that in the movie Yeah, that was like a running gag. I think there was a part where yeah, like ted said you have give us the ring my precious eyes Wow Well, hey if she was on board with it, I guess Yeah And I mean there's no reason for her to be like insecure about the way that she looks So yeah, I'm seeing wow in terms of just uh I wonder she's probably like a really big good sport about all that then because it must be a really good sport. Yeah I could imagine an actress being like fuck that uh I hear that she was really good in uh The the show that they made that was about elizabeth holmes that she was in that That she was like basically captured Uh That person very well So Yeah, I haven't I feel like I don't see her in much stuff even though I know that she is in plenty of films I think she had like a moment of being in lots of more famous stuff and then I agree. I feel like I haven't seen her in ages She was in mama mia, right? Yes Yeah, and she was uh, she was in lamez, right? But a lot of people were in lamez You don't remember if she was in it. I know an hathaway rustle crow Hugh jackman I can't remember anybody beyond that though. I know I know rustle crow was in it Because that was one of the most contentious response that film right? It's quite me Isn't that for the meme where he's like staring out of a window or something? Oh Oh, well, yeah, I'm not sure I think yeah, that is about rustle crow from that film. That's the one that comes to mind immediately as an image The uh Well, because the meme with that film in general was that they were singing it while they were acting it, right? Wasn't it? Yeah, I think it's I think that's his name. It's french, right? Yeah This is the image I was talking about Yeah, they got The famous meme image. I don't know. I haven't seen the movies. I don't know what the context is But I always find this image amusing Yes, I know that his uh, his role in that film is one of the more contentious parts of that film that uh People are deciding on whether he did a good or bad job on that in that film I remember that this was was memed memed a lot. This is a very popular meme I don't know what it is. This is funny Very very funny. What is uh, what do you think rustle crow's best performances? The good question the boring answer is maximus decimus meridius Of course, I wanted to come up with something other than that Well, he was pretty good in la confidential master. Yes, he was I haven't seen master and commander, but I need to I want to watch that film Uh, what about robin hood? I quite liked him in 310 to yuma, but I can't remember. Oh, yeah, he wasn't 310 to yuma. Yeah, that's right I haven't seen I haven't seen that film What about his incredible role in man of steel? Oh boy as a boy child a boy child man Uh, um Hmm He played uh jackal and hide in the mummy I liked him in that movie the nice guys. That was uh, shame. I like that movie It's shame black who has destroyed some things. I really like but I like that film Don't worry his his predator contributions will not be considered candid. I don't think I No, I would imagine not remember how they were trying to set up a sequel but the film didn't make enough money pray for example It's pray didn't that for a second move forward with that Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised they make more with that But what I'm saying is like pray didn't give a shit about the predator adding in Well, the predator was kind of a DNA or whatever The predator is very much in the same slot as something like terminated genesis. Mm-hmm Remember James Cameron said like oh, yeah, this is the real sequel the fuck was that I'm pretty sure he said more about dark fate and if you look at uh, yes, he did He's got more fingers in the dark fate pie than even had in genesis. I think he was a producer on uh He was a producer on dark fate. What an insult and you know I guess what I'm saying is he said the same thing about both films He said that he thought genesis was like the continuation But then it was dark fate another point Considering avatar 2 as well. He's like, we never sit down James. We have sit down talk about some stuff It is kind of unbelievable. It is unbelievable that James Cameron the man who created Terminator 2 would look at dark fate and go Yeah, this is a good idea That is almost unbelievable to me It's like ripping off what a lame name Ridley Scott is uh I think Ridley Scott and James Cameron. They're like I know I know why you almost would compare them, but they seem different Um in in terms of like, I guess what you could call their decline All things that are compared I think uh, because the difference would be that like Ridley Scott just keeps making films like he's he's very consistent. Um And unfortunately it has sort of been a consistent Uh decline but like he makes a lot of films whereas James Cameron for whatever reason has been like weirdly fixated on avatar for like 20 years at this point Yeah, and it's just not that interesting Um, whereas it almost seems like Ridley Scott just keeps, you know, taking shots and then sometimes they land and Unfortunately more often than not they haven't been Um, I had to change my name because internet stalkers are weird. That's the first thing they say Yeah, that that sucks And then they said, oh no, Rob is gone with a sad face. He was very quiet early on. Did he end up speaking more later? Yes He did indeed He did indeed on a rewatch. You got nothing to worry about there Uh, et is close to my favorite good movie. I need to see that again. It's been forever I don't remember anything about et at this point yeah Thoughts on what if we'd gotten the jp talked about where dinos were used as mercenaries using tech to talk with humans versus Jurassic world plays the praise the rags Dinos were used as mercenaries using tech to talk with humans This is dry Are you talking about like human dino hybrids? You're talking about, um Theodore rex But will we not Um, I I don't know about every time I hear about people's like crazy awesome sequel ideas I'm always just like can we just not can we leave her alone? It's so good It doesn't need another one make a different dinosaur idea movie. You don't need to connect it to drastic leave her alone I think there's a game on steam called dino mercs. That's supposed to release in quarter two of this year Uh, dino mercs is a roguelike deck building game where you take on the role of a veteran member of dark solar defense A shadowy private military corporation to survive build multiple decks while conducting operations engaging in fierce combat and defending your base from attackers Yeah, it's pretty pretty crazy. I guess all the mercenaries are like dinosaurs That's pretty fucking bad. I asked you although Grass Park one is my favorite movie since I saw it at age six Yeah, it'll do that. It's uh, it's pretty good And with that we have caught up with the Jurassic Park evap Superchats, thank you all so much for sending them in Being so kind as to hang out with us while we did it and letting us know what you think of the idea of it all You know and whether or not we'll do more in the future. We attempted already I'm sure you could be understanding of that. But you know, we also want to cover some stuff that's coming out like, um Resident evil that resident evil game is coming. You know What are they doing resident evil nine? It's not going to be like four years from now or something Uh, I don't know. It seems like they alternate. Um, every couple years Surely we're going to be 2025 to think it won't star. Ethan winters. My favorite resident evil protagonist You guys didn't say anything winters You know, it's just yeah, it's no love for eastern winters. Wow. What a what a what a character. What a guy What a what a dude what a fun guy What a fellow he's been through so much that even winters I remember him very fondly all those things that he said His ability to notice when Rooms were lit or not Um, his incredible ability to engage in conversations with people Um Yeah All right. Goodbye everybody. Thanks for watching. See you later