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Smith Let's start with a few tech things you should know ASUS announced the Vivo book 13 slate OLED a 13.3 inch Windows tablet with a 1080p OLED screen detachable keyboard and magnetically attached ASUS Pen 2.0 runs on an Intel Pentium silver and 6,000 CPU ship and in December starting at 600 bucks Google is introducing a new set of search filters below the search bar Google Drive This will let you limit the search by file type Modification date location more Google Drive already has filters, but they were behind a sub menu You can sign up to beta test them or wait for them to come to you on all workspace users very soon As expected Nintendo revised its full-year switch sales forecast to 24 million units down 6% from previous forecasts According to Nintendo President Shuntaro Furukawa, the company doesn't think it can fully meet expected demand during the holiday quarter Because of the ongoing ship shortage saying quote There is no sign of improvement and the situation continues to be severe. So I can't say how long it will continue Electric reports that Ford is selling its e-luminator electric crate motor to the public so people can build their own electric vehicles The idea is to help people convert an existing internal combustion powered car into an EV Of course, that is not for everyone. You still need an inverter battery pack control system And you know the knowledge of how to do the conversion still for those who can get all of those And have to know how the engine is easy to get if you have three thousand nine hundred dollars Two stories about tech in the air here AT&T and Verizon have agreed to delay Their december 5th rollout of 5g in the 3.7 and 4.2 gigahertz frequencies known as the c-band That's below millimeter wave, but still gives you a little more speed than the lower wavelengths The delay will let the companies work with the u.s federal aviation administration to address concerns Over potential interference with some automated cockpit systems like those that help planes land in poor weather The frequencies are used in other countries and the carriers dispute that there will be a problem But you know what they're going to play it safe and delay the launch Meanwhile, the u.s federal communications commission approved bowings application for its v-band constellation satellite system designed to beam high-speed broadband to us consumers The constellation will consist of 132 low earth orbiting satellites and another 15 non geostationary satellites All right, let's talk about cracks in the apps payment system Justin Oh, tom i thought you'd never ask two more cracks have appeared in efforts to lock people into using an app stores payment system Meta ceo mark zuckerberg announced that facebook will soon let creators share custom links To let fans pay for subscriptions to exclusive content on facebook If a creator uses that link instead of apple's in-app system, the creator will keep all of the money facebook has promised not to take a cut until at least 2023 And facebook will pay creators a bonus of between five dollars and 20 for every new subscriber They add no matter how much they pay Facebook believes this is already allowed under apple's current terms because It's the creator not the developer of the app who's sending the customer to the web to pay Meanwhile, google announced changes to its in-app payments in the pace in the play store in south korea Developers will be allowed to offer alternative payments options outside of the play store's own system Developers will stay or will will pay a percentage of that transaction That is four percent less than they would pay if they use google's own system The republic of korea passed legislation in august that prohibits companies from requiring developers to use a platforms in-app payment system apple on the other hand continues to play their game of chicken A text of the law says apps must not be forced to choose a specific payment method that has quote-unquote unreasonable fees apple says its current system doesn't violate the new law In other words apple thinks fees at least the ones they're charging are very reasonable It's up to the korea communications commission to open an investigation and potentially find apple If indeed they find that interpretation to be incorrect Yeah, so apple's doing to korea What facebook is doing to apple which is like i don't know the way i read the rules We're not in violation come at us if you disagree right facebook's doing it to say like no it says the developers can't link But it's not us. It's the creators that are linking out to the other payment system Actually, I think what google's doing here is is is probably the model for where we're going to end up in a lot of these situations Which is fine. You can use some alternative payment system. We're still going to take a cut We are going to acknowledge that we aren't running your payment system So that cut's going to be smaller But the cut we take is to defray the cost of running the app store That seems perfectly reasonable It's complex to implement it But seems like google was able to do it whereas apple's like no we don't want to implement that because if we implemented in korea We're going to have to implement it everywhere And that's the key for apple right like this is another straw landing on an already strained camel's back and at some point it is going to break I don't think it is here, although we'll see what happens with the korean communications uh commission On the facebook issue though I am very curious to see exactly how I would love to be a fly on the wall in within facebook to know exactly how much facebook really wants To stir this pot considering the fact that they are not in love with apple these days for what they have done to their ad tracking Stuff because this isn't I mean granted facebook makes a clone of a lot of things There are a lot of communities that exist massive communities that exist on facebook them getting into subscriptions is not something that is totally out of a bounds for them But making sure that they explore any possible interpretation of this rule I I do think is very interesting. Yeah, and and honestly When we get the appeal in the apple epic case when that runs its course, however many months into years it takes Uh, not until that's all over are we going to understand where this is all going to land because apple hopes it's going to win its appeal Right, so so they don't want to change anything yet Uh, ours technically has got benchmarks in On the intel 12th gen alder like processors They're fast They are in fact according to ours technica And actually according to a nantech and and pretty much everybody else out there Faster than amd's latest zen 3 rises, which is surprising Because amd's risen 9 59 50 x their top of the line Is 16 performance cores and 32 threads while intel's i9 1200 k its top of the line Is 16 cores but eight performance and eight efficiency cores They're not all performance cores and only 24 threads by comparison Usually the efficiency cores are seen as a great way to save battery life You don't really need to save battery life in a desktop though Ours found that alder lake beats zen 3 and both geek bench 5 and cinna bench are 20 multi thread benchmarks Although they also found intel uses a lot more power Uh, still good power for the performance power performance watt prefer per, you know, however you want to put that But they use more power than amd and they run hotter So the thermal performance isn't as good ours ran the intel benchmarks using windows 11 And it ran the amd ones using windows 10 The reason they did that is because amd has not been optimized for windows 11 and intel has So ours expected intel might win if they ran windows 11 on both of them So they were trying to balance the scale there This seems to hold with other outlets too The verge notes that the 1200 900 k beats amd's 59 50 x In practically all of euro gamers tests nearly all of gamer nexus's comprehensive benchmarks and notably the verges tom warren reportedly Saw no difference or barely any difference between windows 10 And 11 on the top of the line core i9 12 900 k warren's saying i'm not sure they're getting that much out of that windows 11 Optimization, but it's still good even under windows 10 If you're as into the battle as you are into actually using the chips the next move Of course will be the expected amd rise in 6 000 processors coming early next year The rise in 9 59 50 x a little older, you know the i9 12 900 k just came out roger I knew you followed this super close This seems to me like it's pretty good news for intel. What do you make of it? it's definitely good for for intel that's it's One of the big signposts that intel is making that transition away from A previous management era to the one under gelsinger where he is emphasizing Let's go back to what intel was doing right before which is make outstanding cp is What's really impressive though is that the top of the line Alder lake is still 200 dollars cheaper than the the rise in 15 50 59 50 x and it's still beat it And so what that says to me is they understand there is now the value proposition that they have to play Before it was we had the fastest chip. We had the best performing, but you'll pay for it Now they can say we have you know at most 10 percent better than than the 59 50x, but we're cheaper And so this is a very unusual situation for people who have been following the amd versus intel saga for like the past decade where amd has always been Yeah, we're not the fastest, but we're we're the best value for the buck We give you the best bang for the buck and now intel can rightfully claim to Say that as well Yeah, intel looked at amd's lunch and said, you know what? I think I'd like a bite of that that that cheap performance Lunch that that you're having there which honestly would intel announce the prices that would have been enough as long as they weren't far behind Rising as long as they were at parody That would have been enough to say wow intel's got more affordable chips The fact that they are not only more affordable, but also Ahead in the benchmarks is that's just a cherry on top, isn't it? It is and it's and you have to understand the older lake has pcie 5 support and it supports ddr ddr 5 Both newer newer component technologies that won't we won't see an amd until they release The 6000 next year. So if you want a future proof, for example, you have not upgraded your machine and you know Four to five years and you want to create you would honestly be looking at intel because they have a more future proof roadmap currently than amd has with their Current chips that they have on market Would you expect the 6000 series from amd? To nudge them back ahead at least Yes, I think amd definitely does have cards to play But you know it is I mean the truth of the matter is despite what what's better than than which Companies chips are better than the other right now supply supply constraints have pretty much Made anyone very desperate for whatever high performance chips they are able to buy. I've seen people buy You know lesser chips because they can buy them comparatively over something that's much better But totally unable to to purchase off the market Yeah, I mean, we're none of us are able to buy any of these chips But it sure is nice that they're winning the bet In that day dream scenario. Yes and tell us definitely winning it Uh folks, if you got a thought about this or anything we talk about on the show, don't be shy email us Our email address is feedback at daily tech news show dot com Meta's facebook says it's testing ways for facebook group administrators to create subgroups And make money off subscriptions for exclusive content shops and fundraisers Now money part is central to facebook diversifying future revenue away from ads But facebook vice president of communities maria smith told cnet that its groups strategy will be a central part of the metaverse now Facebook name meta is pushing itself as the leader of developing the metaverse But as we heard from Nate Langston earlier this week the actual metaverse whatever it ends up being Is likely to come from elsewhere at least in part if not most So we're going to make an effort to point out non meta and therefore non facebook stories That point the way toward a potential metaverse one of these is the use of blockchain and nfts in games Which is a step toward the kind of persistent virtual items often described as a fundamental part of a metaverse Lots of game companies are looking at nfts and blockchain Ubi soft mentioned this is central last week ea is the latest telling investors that they are an important part of the future of our industry FIFA football collectibles obviously seem a first choice for ea. They're very popular ea ceo andrew wilson told investors He thinks there's an opportunity to expand value through nfts But the company needs to quote make sure we continue to appropriately tune and balance the experience for our players So he's sensitive to the idea We don't want this to come off as you can buy your way to a win Another example though outside of gaming is music hybe Which is the company that manages one of the biggest music groups in the world bts Announced plans to set up a joint venture with korean crypto exchange upbeat To issue nfts to start They will issue nft photo cards of band members that will trade on the high boned weverse app Uh, they're not the first to try this though. JYP entertainment set up an nft platform in july SM announced its plans for cryptocurrency in the blockchain back in 2019 I think just and these are the corners of the internet to look at if you want to see The cornerstones and foundations of a potential metaverse start to be laid Which is in the examples i'm giving you here The kinds of items that you would be able to carry around because they're nfts Well, I think that you're hitting on a core element of Value like the internet as a technology is what it is the internet becomes a cultural force because it brings value It brings speed it brings video It brings Uh, the ability to interact with each other on a level that we had not seen so far Where I think the metaverse conversations tend to be Is uh, you know when when facebook who's literally rebranding their entire business so they might tilt toward this The the extent of their imagination in their demo video is basically just a meeting You're just kind of into room except one of your friends has altered their skin to be a robot like And then maybe you can change the wallpaper of what the room looks like Where I think it's kind of underwhelming Aside from just the general idea of okay, you can you can interact with your friends a little bit easier What you've pointed out here is money What is a thing that you can do in the metaverse or in this future that we are going to define as the metaverse That you could not do before nfts are a Part of that because the concept of digital goods being worthwhile Is a sea change for Many people there's a reason why it's so kind of controversial and the idea of well, why does a jpeg? Valuable for for those who want to be critical of it In this new world where we are spending more time online You're going to have to figure out not only what value it brings monetarily, which is what we're talking about here But also what value it brings culturally and that's why I think ultimately You are looking at and more of the travis night or travis night travis scott concert in fortnight Then you are looking at mark suckerberg and his boring friends sharing pictures of their dogs Yeah, I I was looking at these stories today and it started to remind me of pin trading at at conferences and and even at theme parks Where where you get you get you try to collect all the pins And and if you you get three of the pins Let's say you you've got you've got the pin for a fifa star or you've got the pin of jimmin with rock bison from bts And and you're you're looking to trade with someone for the j-hope pin These nfts can be like pins, right? They they they you can go into the metaverse and you've got the nft for the only one of sugar doing the sugar dance and You're looking to you've got you want to trade you you want to find someone so you can collect the whole set Yeah, I think also with the video game stuff is we've I think we've hit Probably an upper level We are no longer elastic when it comes to video game pricing especially as physical packaging and and distribution has kind of gone the way of the dodo and so The more that these companies can figure out ways that they can get more revenue in because Charging more for the game is something that has kind of hit a wall They're going to explore obviously microtransactions have been controversial in video games But that's where they've seen the growth nfts certainly more of a part of it and If you really want to commemorate that time that you did that thing or there are are ways that You want to remember having a fond Moment in in a game then I do think that especially at scale those those could be worthwhile both to the consumer and the company Yeah, you don't need permission to dance, but you do need permission to get my nft of junk hook and his dog indeed Tom every company has an opinion on this chip shortage Lenovo says it will continue into the first half of next year Qualcomm says it thinks its shortage will begin to ease by the end of this year and intel's Pat gelsinger is the gloomiest saying this thing is not going to end this year not going to end next year No, those first rays of sunshine are going to come out in 23 While much of the chip shortage comes from a flood of orders causing a backlog Some of it also comes from shipping and logistics issues and none of these statements will help you get your product faster If it's delayed entertain a shipping a shipping company mirsk Anyone who's lived anywhere near a port has seen the ships cranes and containers with the mirsk name on them You might also catch them on a train rolling by as uh, you are sitting in traffic The company moves 20 of the world's ocean freight and mirsk just happens to have recently bought Visible a logistics company with nine u.s. Commerce fulfillment centers that pack orders for retailers Controlling all of that makes mirsk believe it can fill an order And get to the doorstep of any consumer in the us or at least 95 of them In two days. It's not familiar. Mirsk is squarely taken on amazon the idea to offer Businesses who sell from their own platforms the ability to match amazon's shipping speed Businesses can maintain control of packaging and branding on their stuff So it doesn't even have to arrive in an amazon box Everyone's investing in this right now wal-mart is expanding local fulfillment centers target is spending four billion To build out commerce and even american eagle the clothing store company just bought quiet logistics on tuesday to get into commerce fulfillment But all of these companies can beat with the companies that would use their platform mirsk does not and mirsk has something that the other companies don't have 700 ships and 76 port terminals Yeah, this uh, this is the market solution to Gosh, I want to get things to my customers But I have to do it on amazon and they might steal my idea for a product and I don't control the branding Mirsk is looking at this saying well crap We we have the hard part of this, you know the ships and the containers Under control. Well, let's buy a logistics company which visible. I've covered them for years Not a bad one That's you know pretty close to being able to do what amazon does and suddenly visible plus mirsk equals your white label Shipping version. I've been believing that amazon is going to do more of this sort of thing where they're like Yeah, you don't have to sell it on amazon But we'll provide the logistics and it feels like mirsk is trying to get there before them You know and say like hey, we've already got 700 ships. You don't have to wait around for us to keep acquiring our fleet We are here today You can offer two-day shipping from your website with your branding We'll print boxes with your name on them. You don't have to use anybody else's platform and give them a cut We'll take a smaller cut because we're just in it for the shipping. We're used to low margins Yeah, uh a few things number one amazon is a logistics company If you are in any way familiar with how and why they have been successful Yes, they do e-commerce. Yes, they are great at Getting your credit card. So you have a file or you have it on file. They make that process a lot easier They're better at getting you to buy or better results. So you're buying something that you feel comfortable with buying But the reason why they've succeeded to the level that they have is because they learned very early on You need to have The the product closer to the person that is buying it and that means Decentralizing all of your your your warehousing and making this an easier product So it gets there as fast as possible. They are a very good at low margins What's been fascinating up until now and really coveted and the lockdowns kind of Spend this up like they did so much is that Getting to amazon level Felt like a daunting thing and for a lot of these companies many of which had physical retail locations The idea of well, I mean, we don't want to go full amazon We don't want to build, you know, all these things you had your your logistics companies for that now Issues are a lot more imperative the lockdown showed that uh online purchasing is just going to be Uh here to stay and if you want to play in that game, you're gonna have to do it The question that I would have for you tom is amazon already one step ahead of them because let's say that they do get as good At at two-day shipping amazon's already built effectively their own shipping company that now does more Package deliveries than fedex So like like they've already done the next thing that you would do which is build a post office Yeah, uh visible has very good relationships with fedex dhl, you know all the shipping companies that exist But they don't control it So that is an advantage that that amazon can have amazon also still works with ups and fedex and all this too It reminds me of netflix saying we want to become hbo before hbo becomes us Yes, marisk marisk is jumping into this going like we want to become amazon before amazon becomes us because What marisk is going to have to do is work from the big back end from what i can tell like You know the sort of the the backhaul of shipping to the last mile and that's what visible helps them do But obviously they still have to rely on fedex ups etc for the for the for the very last mile They want to become really good at that Before amazon gets ships and ports Which they started to do amazon's moving into ports and doing operations in ports And so it's a race to see like well marisk thinks we've done the harder part I think we can get to that last mile and compete and the answer is both of them will get there And then we'll see what kind of competition we get out of that which is good I think Well, yeah, it just gives more options to small businesses and and to to e-commerce businesses that You know, I do think we'll eventually see amazon go white label for some of this stuff Absolutely. Yeah, and whether businesses will trust them given You know amazon might have a perfectly legitimate wonderful white label business and businesses if they have a choice may go like Yeah, but I read in the papers that you screw small businesses. So i'm going with marisk. Sorry Yeah It'll be interesting All right, folks. There's a uh, there's a perception out there that time passes faster as you get older And I think everybody understands that a little bit even into your 20s Certainly into your 30s 40s and beyond That just seems like the time flies by and you wonder like is that a real thing or do I just think that? Well harvard's science in the news blog notes of a paper published in cambridge university presses european review By duke university professor adrian bayjan Called why the day seems shorter as we get older Bayjan hypothesizes it has to do with the physics of neural signal processing The old brain processor hang in there though. I think this is going to make sense Here are a few things we already know as we get older the size and complexity of the neurons in our brain grows We get more complex neural pathways. That means electrical signals have to travel longer to get places in the brain Not your brain gets bigger, but there's just more pathways. It takes longer It's it's like a city, right? You know, it's it's only a mile But it takes 10 minutes to get there because of all the traffic that slows down how fast we process visual information He notes that nerves accumulate damage as we age as well Which acts as a resistance against electrical signals even if they get a shorter pathway There might be cruft on there. There might be stuff slowing down the transmission. So bayjan argues that This means the more time that passes between each mental image As we get older and it takes longer for those electrical signals to go We perceive fewer frames per second When we're young each second is packed with mental images We're kind of like a slow motion camera capturing at 240 frames per second And it makes time feel like it's moving slower Uh, but as we get old, you know, we're down to 40 or 20 frames per second World looks a little jittery, but we smooth it out It just takes more time, right? We're not getting as much information per second. This is one of the many hypotheses out there, of course It's a well-reason one, but it needs to be tested experimentally Adjusted this one makes perfect sense to me, which is like It's not the time speeding up. It's that we're Thinking about less stuff per second. And so we feel like oh man, but I had a thought and it took me a minute instead of two seconds Yeah, you know, I I think to me It's it's the counter that proves it in my head or makes me believe it in my head Not that I feel like things are going faster now But I do remember the summer between fourth and fifth grade lasting somewhere between seven years and eight years like Uh, it felt like or those school years felt for ever that they just would not end you would Think that it was interminable and you look up at the calendar and it was still august like uh, uh So that to me rings a lot more. I don't think that there's anything any situation I've been in in my adult life that has ever felt as long as a school year then Yeah, well and that that's what that's how you notice it, right? It's not that any particular moment feels like it's going faster at the time. It's that oh my gosh It's october already. I feel like it was just january or oh my gosh. We're at the mail bag already I feel like we just started dts. Uh, justin a different justin writes in Didn't know if this was dts or cord killers news, but he pointed us to a story on pc gamer About a woman named lydia ellery who signed up for twitch and instagram and a bunch of other places in 2010 11 years ago With the name squid game Apparently squid was her nickname and since she was doing gaming content She picked squid game and of course now people are angry at her thinking she stole the account of the netflix show She's had to reset her password She says she's lost a couple of gigs because companies are like Yeah, we don't like the confusion that that people might have they might think you're part of the netflix show Uh, so she's considering changing the username that she's had for 11 years justin should she just hang on Yeah, just give it another two months and uh, there's gonna be a documentary about a clown who You know flew to space that we didn't know about in 1981 that everybody's going to love and and everyone to talk about that And space clown will have to change his name on twitch. So, uh, I think Calmate like we're everything is gonna work out if she has a brand and she's already getting gigs Yes, that sucks. It sucks to be in in a situation where you could have a brand activation You could be catching a check to do something and because of entanglements people are like, oh, okay Well, I don't want to be confused with a netflix property on the other hand I would bet that there were probably some brand activations that wouldn't mind getting the squid game rub without paying squid game prices I don't know exactly how much of an opportunity that you have for that kind of Of stuff. So my guess is that it probably cuts both ways and I don't blame her Using this moment in time to engage her audience In in a an element of personal drama But I think you're gonna be just fine if you just just head to the winchester and wait for this to all blow over Hang in there squid game. We're we're with you Uh, no new bosses today. 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