 Hello everyone. Thank you for tuning in to the Straight Talk Vermont show. My name is Bruce Wilson. I'm the executive director of Service Reminder Incorporated and Straight Talk Vermont is one of our programs. And I'm very fortunate to have as a guest today is Dr. Jane Morgan, cardiologist at Pete Mount Hefker and Wow, she's you know, she does a whole lot. So Well, first of all Dr. Morgan, could you tell us about Pete Mount Hefker? What is it? What is it? What do you do there? Sure. So Pete Mount Hefker is the largest health system in the state of Georgia. So we are a series of hospitals. We have 18 medical campuses across the state of Georgia. And we give care really to everybody across the state. We have the single largest health care system. Yeah, I know you guys are gigantic. And so um, let's just jump right into it because so so what What was your interest in being like a cardiologist? How did how did that come to be? Yeah, you know, um, I think growing up in my neighborhood we had quite a few physicians in the neighborhood And even though I you know, and I'm friends with their children even though my parents weren't physicians My mother was an academic actually Chairman of education at Spelman I um I imagined that I had early exposure to really to black doctors, which I didn't realize at the time Was an unusual experience that many people grew up really and never met a black doctor And I knew several right in my neighborhood. And so I think you know, that goes a long way when we talk about, you know Environment and what what type of environment you living in and what neighborhood you live in so without anybody ever talking about physician Just I had this broader perspective Um of what you know may or may not be possible what I may or may not be interested in I remember Sitting at one of my friends homes and I used to thumb through her father's medical books not to read them but just to look at all the quote unquote scary pictures Of all of these people with diseases and I would just be so fascinated say oh, what's that? Oh, what's that? So it was almost sort of like a little game But really I was becoming interested in medicine without realizing it. Nobody's really talking to me about it Well, thank you. I'm so glad that you um decided to be a doctor and thank you so much You know, I really appreciate you, you know, um, I guess I first came um, we kind of I don't know what you call linkedin partners or linkedin friends. I don't know what it is, but you have um, you have the stairwell chronicles there on and that's so I love seeing you on linkedin, you know talking about um issues and concerns about um, particularly around the covet, you know um And so, um, so I think you you're the executive director for uh, pima on the covet That's right on the covet cast force. Mm-hmm at pima Awesome. Awesome. And so Let's just talk about a um few things, um So you had, you know here here when I'm in vermont the um bruneton vermont where I live And um, and I just want to you know, give yous when I came here from chicago. I went to I graded from northwestern university um I came in 89. It's the widest state in america and it still is, you know me So it's not so it's not a lot of people who looks like me who lives here, you know And so, you know, I sit on a lot of different other boards and Anti-racism and things like that to try to help educate individuals who don't look like me how to work how could we can work together and Look at um people who look like me Using real facts not stereotypical Means So you had a you had a Vascine message to black americans because I know some of the people black people I know and I still know one person who haven't had the vaccines, you know And so what was your message to black american? What was what did you say to us? Yeah, so one of the things that my sterile chronicles that I addressed to you know, specifically to black americans Was that we should be confident in this vaccine confident in the data that was submitted to the fda that provided this emergency Use authorization via which these vaccines are available Because We were enrolled in that trial in the modern our trial at 10.3 percent And in the Pfizer trial blacks were enrolled at 9.8 percent the johnson and johnson trial actually enrolled 13.1 percent African americans and if you include africans The total was 19 percent By and large black americans do not participate in clinical trials and research because of all of the historical atrocities that have been Committed against us in the name of the advancement of medicine and science where we Were sacrificed involuntarily for the advancement of medicine and science that we all enjoy today So by and large because of that we don't really participate because we don't trust it And so we should actually understand that these vaccine companies were intentional and purposeful in actually seeking out People who are black and brown to enroll in these trials because they understood That these were going to be global medicines They were not only going to be for white americans or white male americans But when their vaccine was developed it had the potential to go across the entire world And the entire world is made up of all kinds of people When we also look at that data that was submitted to the fda and look only at the black american population What we see is Two weeks following the second dose of the vaccine There were no incidences of symptomatic covet 19. What that means Is even though you hear about these efficacy rates of 94 95 72 all of these efficacy rates meaning how well the vaccines work in black americans who had zero incidences of symptomatic covet 19 following the second dose Our individual our collector shall I say efficacy rate was 100 percent Imagine that And so we should feel confident in this data because we have this data And while it falls somewhat short of being truly representative of where we are in the population in the mosaic of america at 13.4 They came pretty close at 10.3 percent 9.8 13.1 percent and don't forget these are large trials 30 000 people in the bedurna trial 40 000 in the Pfizer 42 000 So when we talk about that collectively that's a huge number of people And we should feel confident therefore that the data that went to the fda is representative of us That safety data is representative of all of us Yeah, well, you know a lot of black folks, you know have just um Idea we're not well, I guess here is a lot we can even if we're looking at is um across the country Uh, I know some of the people I know thinking about it with some type of experiment You know on black people, you know, you know, and that they go just gonna use um Use us for something whatever And then at the beginning I remember at the beginning of the cova 19 back in march or around that time It was a lot of articles, you know you know confusing articles saying that black people won't get the virus because our skin melanin and all this stuff, you know And so a lot of people black people that I you know, could I work with a wide range of individuals in this in this state? uh, we're saying that um, well, we don't we don't have nothing to worry about We won't we won't get the virus You know, we want to acquire the the virus and you know, we don't have to wear masks So we didn't have to you know, because it's all is everywhere. Everybody's saying that black people just won't get it because It's got it got to do without skin. I'm melanin. So um You know myth right but do um do um In fact, we have anything to do with melanin in fact, we've been disproportionately Impacted so we should completely understand that that is fallacy Melanin in the skin Does not provide protection from cova 19 african-americans have been disproportionately impacted by this cova 19 pandemic and so absolutely melanin is providing zero. I want to be clear zero protection zero That is completely untrue. Yeah, you're right about that and um, and um, you know I heard it too. I read it some places. I saw it and I was like man It's somebody just trying to make You know how I think I'm I it's how we think sometimes or how I think sometimes is It's I reach out if people try to Um, are we gonna try to get make us acquire the virus right more of us? You know, is that this that's why they printing that it was why they doing that? But yeah, that's a whole another topic, you know, whatever, but I know and so um, so Piedmont Partner with ebony's is back to church and you so what is that about? You know, I know I that's a famous church martin the king church in georgia So what what did you got what the partnership looked like? What was that about? So the partnership is great. We partnered with other churches every needs that happens to be my home church as well And we are really looking in this role as i'm leading the covet task force to really get out into the community and begin to understand social determinants of health and how that impacts your longevity how it impacts your hospitalization How it impacts the length of state of your hospitalization the number of complications that you have And really to begin to understand that maybe the care of our patients doesn't begin When they reach the emergency room doors, maybe it begins on the other side of those doors And we need to get out into the community and see where people are living How they are living and begin to build these relationships and trust and make certain that we can provide access Which may mean bringing the access to you and not having you Try to figure out transportation to get to a medical system and once you get there it's incredibly complicated to navigate And so this is sort of this reverse paradigm where we are beginning Utilizing lessons that we've learned from covet there have been some positive Lessons learned from this horrible pandemic of how we can do things better Yeah, awesome And once again, thank you for partnering with the church. It's not only Ebenezer Baptist church, but all the other churches that you partner with you try to get the word out word of faith church Many churches throughout the throughout the throughout the city That we are have been very interested in developing these community partnerships providing vaccines and really having long Term relationships with these organizations. Did they have vaccines into churches? Did they do that? Oh, we've done we've done lots of vaccine clinics as well at these churches and that's our primary purpose for going But it's but you know after that we are invited back to do another vaccine clinic or invite it back to be on panels or true, you know, I I was part of the women's day Program and so that's part of understanding and being a part of the community interacting Integrating with the community bringing P ma to the people as opposed to the people having to reach out to the hospital And thank you. Once again, I can thank you all through this whole thing And I probably will to being like boots on the ground because that's so important How can we get the message out there if we just if we sit like in our office, you know I pride myself for being boots on the ground, you know And I'm actually working with the people in the community who I serve, you know Yeah, I'm very proud of that. But okay, let me talk about these fascinations for a second So there's a Pfizer And then Johnson and Johnson. Yes now Now Okay, what's it? I know Johnson and Johnson like they had that one they had the one shot deal And uh, but they but it came something something was some different or wrong with it or something So the Johnson and Johnson vaccine had a pause a 10 day pause because they wanted to look at specifically One of the side effects that's called CVST cerebral venous sinus thrombosis And what that is is a special type of blood clot that can impact your brain And they wanted to take a look at that and see what was happening And so they paused the triangle Such that they could take a closer look to make certain that people were not being harmed And so you have to remember at that time there were six cases almost seven million doses had been given So this was an incredibly sensitive process That you pick up six individual cases out of seven million people That's so even though people were concerned about the pause in the scientific community What that tells us is that this is really being safeguarded and this is really being watched the pause Was an incredible thing for us to see and we understood that this was being in you know, very highly regulated And very sensitive. Um, so that heartened us to see that and what they discovered What they discovered a total of 15 cases when they actually adjudicated where it really went through all of them Um, and they were divided into these cerebral venous sinus thrombosis And some were other types of blood clots that you make that get in your lungs or in your legs All of them though are treatable And that was another reason that they wanted to pause because these specific types of blood clots Have the propensity to be treated with standard blood clot medicine when you get to the hospitals And we wanted to have the opportunity to educate physicians and medical centers That these were special types of blood clot that you cannot give the standard therapy So we had to have specific testing. It's called caipirin induced thrombocytopenia Such that these blood clots could be treated appropriately And so if they're treated appropriately, they are highly treatable The problem is physicians not recognizing them early. So we wanted to make certain that that was done again Incredibly rare incredibly incredibly rare These these side effects and so the uh, johnson johnson vaccine is back on the market. We welcomed it back It is very effective. Uh, we were happy to have it And we are happy that it has been part of our workforce to get us uh towards herd immunity Thank you for that answer and I was, you know For me, you know, I don't know if anybody died from the vaccination I mean, that's really that that just died from it not for no the no the causes or You know Other medical means that right and and so there have been certainly there have been deaths after the vaccine um a small number of deaths and the hundreds of millions of doses that have been done Though all those deaths will need to be adjudicated because don't forget people who are very sick or who have other medical conditions Also get vaccines and so the vaccine could have been just a red herring They were sick already happened to get a vaccine and the and then the death is blamed on the vaccine when the vaccine just was a red herring It was just something that they happened to do that being said I think we should understand that there probably are a small number of deaths that may be specifically related to the vaccine if a person has some type of unusual reaction to it Or uh an unusual Side effect that is not recognized and treated appropriately So we see these incidences of myocarditis which is an inflammation around the heart With our messenger RNA vaccines thizer and maderna Entirely treatable. We see it in younger people But you have to be able to recognize it and seek help and and be uh and be treated and and I think that's another story about access to medical care access to information access to education Access is not equitable And is not equitable through in this country And so we see this disparate Outcomes at times in our medical care And I'm so thankful because um, you know, I take myself as um, you know smarter than the average bear or whatever But um, but to see you on uh linked in with the stair your your shows there were chronicles Oh man, I learned so much. You know, man, I was like wow Thank you for hitting you know, and you was like precise, you know, it wasn't you didn't go over a amount of anything You just just hit the points, you know, you just it was all you know, as I say, I'll meet no fat, you know So I really I learned a lot and uh, and uh, and I shared I shared information to people who I know about things that you taught me So I want to thank you for that too. No for your listeners Sparrow chronicles are series of videos. I have an entire catalog of videos Where I answer a single question about the covid vaccine in 60 seconds or less In a conversational manner. I'm just sitting on the stairs talking with you like you would talk to your neighbor Talk to your sister and I give you the information in a very small vignette I'm not answering 10 questions. I'm only answering a few questions So you can follow me if you like look through the catalog select a question That that you have and listen to me explain it in 60 seconds If you don't like the explanation, you really only wasted a minute a minute of your time, right? You can't be too mad at me Can you let us know what your um website is and um Yeah, it's it's dr. Jane Morgan dr. Dr. Jane j a y in e And then morgan m o r g a n and i'm on instagram. You can follow me instagram twitter YouTube or linked in and I have this, you know entire catalog A sterile chronicles coming out next week And see if your question is there if there's a specific question that you have that I have an answer Feel free to submit a question and maybe I'll do a sterile chronicle on it. Yeah, that'd be awesome. So Ah, man, you know, you know, you know, you've been hitting home like perfect, you know your um It's a sterile chronicles show, but let me ask you a question about what it does in equity and obstacle in clinical um research and trial means you I know you talked about that and it's uh Absolutely. Yeah, what you know, one of the things that I'm really passionate about is we need to be able To begin to increase the recruitment of minorities black and browns But specifically black americans into clinical trials We have to understand that our best and our brightest thinking goes into these clinical trials When we enrolled in clinical trials You have a research coordinator or a nurse With whom you have 24 hour contact You have a physician or principal investigator that's overseeing you locally And then there is a regional physician who's overseeing the local physician And there's a national physician who's overseeing the regional physician who's overseeing the local physician Who's overseeing the the research coordinator. I mean you have a team of people just for you Imagine that even I don't get health care like that I don't have 24 hour access to anybody and I work at the hospital So clinical trials if you are uninsured or under insured Is a way to get access to health care Pharmaceutical and device companies often will pay for your medical care while you're enrolled in these trials Because they need the data and they need for you to be able to Be compliant With the uh with with whatever the regimen is the number of follow-up appointments taking the medications on time That type of thing and so it's very important that we participate in clinical trials because if we don't What happens is what happens now drugs are developed And they have no data on anyone other than white people generally white men And what that means is The first time a drug is prescribed to you is in the doctor's office. That's the first time you see it So then if you have a side effect to this drug You're out at disney world on the soccer field on cruise at a grocery store You don't have 24 hour access to anybody. You don't have a number in your pocket You're just on your own And so when people say I don't want to be in clinical trials because i'm going to have a side effect You have to think on which end of this spectrum Would you rather have side effects would you rather have at the beginning where you're in a controlled environment with fda oversight? Or would you rather have it on the opposite end after a drug has been approved with no information on you? And you're on your own out in the real world the first time that drug is being given we have to move away from exploitation To representation And part of the reason we're still stuck on exploitation is the fact of the matter is we haven't been provided any additional Information on clinical trials since the tuskegee experiment The last we heard of clinical trials was the tuskegee experiment and we never heard Anything else and the last thing that I will say Is when donald trump was the president of the united states and he contracted covet 19 He was sitting in the white house 74 years old Overweight desaturated meaning his oxygen levels were dropping We all in the medical community understood that he was in trouble Regardless of the stone walling that his physicians at walter re were presenting What happened he was airlifted to walter re and immediately given Any a drug under emergency use authorization a monoclonal antibody therapy from regeneron that was in clinical trials that Investigational drug is credited with interrupting his downward trajectory of health from covet 19 That drug came from a clinical trial The only other people in the world who received that drug at that time were in clinical trials Why would we deny ourselves? Why do we continue to allow medicine to be to be practiced this way? That's because we've had no further information since the tuskegee experiment And so it is time to really understand What clinical trials mean and how important they are to your health to health access and narrowing the gap in health equity And the last thing that I will say is when we talk about oncology trials or cancer trials There are specific cancers that have a higher Perponderance in african-americans specific types of breast cancers prostate cancers colon cancers colon cancers cancer trials have been shown definitively to increase the rate of remission Of cancer That's the trial itself not even the drug that's approved And yet we don't even enroll in those trials And then the data that comes out is data on white men and it's not even a cancer that primarily affects them Why would we do that? And so this is what I tried to do to start to fill in this gap this 60 70 year gap since tuskegee a lot has happened And we want to make sure that we began to look at clinical trials from a different perspective So, um Wow I get it. I really get it. You know, I'm you know, I learned a lot and I continue to keep learning from you and um Like um, so another thing too. So you're the executive director of covet task force at p-mart healthcare and um And I mean and we talked about a lot right now, but what exactly is your role? Yeah, so my role is a lot with community outreach and education And that's part of what you see in the stairwell chronicles providing education because The encapsulation of my role really is in addressing vaccine hesitancy And to address vaccine hesitancy and improve the rate of acceptance of vaccine and to help us move towards herd immunity It really requires Information that's what people need. They need information without information What happens our imaginations take over and down the social media rabbit hole we go Right where there are tons of other rabbits down there. Everybody's reproducing now You're in there with thousands of rabbits in a dark hole get out of that hole Come out into the light and listen to science And so my role was to provide information to provide education to do community outreach to engender trust In the vaccines and the vaccine Process to develop these partnerships with the healthcare system and to also analyze the data within our system as well To determine how we might be able to address health outcomes in a better and more proficient way as well Okay, so let's talk a little bit about the stairwell chronicles I know people who are listening or tuning in they can find all this information About your shows and they can also find out a lot about everything. You know Not everything because you're doing so much. You definitely boost on the ground But they can just tune into dr. Jane Morgan. That's j a y n e Morgan and um, they can look up and they'll find a lot about you and your shows So let's talk about stairwell chronicles for a minute. Now is now one of your shows and these are like topics from your shows and you talk About heart disease and you talked about the vaccine. But is there a link between heart disease and covet vesting? Uh, so that link is with the messenger RNA vaccines the fizer and the moderna vaccines not the johnson and johnson And that in younger populations like under the age of 40 or 45 We can see this entity called myocarditis and what that means is you get an inflammation of your heart your heart becomes inflamed And generally you will know if you have that you might have chest pain or shortness of breath Or difficulty catching your breath when you're walking You just don't feel well. And so if you come to the hospital, we can certainly treat that But this is a rare again. I want to emphasize rare side effect Of the messenger RNA vaccines only so that's fizer and moderna. It is not a side effect of the johnson and johnson vaccine So when I got my first vaccination, um Here in vermont, um Like my shoulder started hurting the next day But I stayed in my sister's house. I was just chilling and she said I that and I spent the night. She said I talked all night I don't know if there anything to do, but I don't normally talk, you know talk like that. She said I was like talking having a great time She's like, Bruce are you all right? Let me get back to this conversation You're having a good conversation You know, don't forget that if you have any side effect that you think is related to this vaccine You can report it in this app that you download download called v as in victor v Safe s a f e v as in victor safe and then you can put whatever you want in there So hey, I had the vaccine and I talked to my sleep all night. Put it in the v safe app We are collecting all of that data Yeah, and then a second vaccine I think, um They were selling make sure you stay hydrated stay hydrated stay and they didn't tell me I'm the first one first time and then um My shoulder hurt the next day too, but um, I felt I didn't feel I didn't I didn't feel like myself I don't know could it be just my own in my own tiny little brain But I just said I'm feel like, um, you know, I'm executive director and I do a lot of things, you know and I just feel like, um I just didn't feel like, um In place to do it, you know, I mean, I didn't know had nothing to do with the virus nothing, but you know, I'm I just Children around the house. I didn't I didn't go nowhere. This, you know, I didn't I wasn't sure but You know, I who knows, you know, it's just good for me, you know, I don't you know, I don't think it's no I don't know because it's me probably but um um So when people because there's still a lot of people out there who haven't got all this, um It's kind of weird to say get to all your shots, you know You know, but it's true. But so How many people are do you know about about a number that how many people haven't haven't got the vaccine yet? Do you know About a third of the population of america still has not received at least one vaccine So we are about two thirds of the way where we want to be and we never really thought we'd get to hundred percent Seventy percent was the goal. But certainly as we push towards herd immunity because it's just so infectious and contagious We probably should be up closer to 80 percent. Okay No Is there is you know, you know, like when like when they asked me what what show do you want to show? Is it a better side and there's just things all on your on your show people can Look on there right absolutely You can look up sterile chronicle the name of this one is is there a better side to get your shot And so the answer is yes We generally would recommend that you receive not just the covid shot any shot that you're getting In your non dominant arm So the non dominant arm is the arm that you don't use as much the one that you don't use for writing So if you are right-handed Then you would probably get the shot in your left arm if you were left-handed you would get it in your right arm the reason for that Is that the uh vaccine any vaccine can cause shoulder and arm stiffness and soreness and if you receive this vaccine in your Non dominant side Then you're likely to cradle that arm and not move it and we want you to move it So we want you to get the vaccine on the side of your body that you use to write So if you're right-handed We want you to get the vaccine on your right side If you're left-handed We want you to get the vaccine on your left hand your left side because you are likely to use that arm a lot Move it around that continues to circulate the vaccine and decrease the stiffness So it's it's exactly Counterintuitive to what you would think you would think oh, let me get it in the arm that i'm not going to use because I don't want my Right arm to be stiff because I need to use it later No, you want that arm to be stiff because you're going to use it that actually decreases the stiffness And um, I know you talked about um people like me um black people african-american people um In all the stereotypical things that some of us think about the virus and um um, but um And then you know one of your shows is um is is these is the covet vaccine safe for black people and is it is it Is there is there a difference? Is there different from Well, there's a difference in black and white, but you know what i'm trying to say far as um, um Our bodies and I you know how we are how we made up is it is it is it different? Is it a different? Right, and so we asked to have representation in trials. We're not saying oh because we're different We metabolize things differently or our blood is different. What we're saying is Um, we may have different medications on board. We may eat different kinds of food We may live in different environments. We may be exposed to different types of toxins We so all of this comes into play Which is why we need to also be included in these trials because you need people from all perspectives and all walks of life We don't all live eat exercise work play the same so our experiences our exposures the medications that we use that we may um Be taking or medications that we um are prescribed that we may not be taking um could all just be different and we want to make sure that we understand Every single person who will receive this vaccine such that we have representation Okay, cool. And like I said, um, everyone can look check out. Um, dr. Jane Morgan show. Um, Jane spell J A Y and E This little girl up. It's google her name. And this is the world of information that's going to come up All the um, so we're chronicle shows will come up Now, um, you know, I'm gonna ask you these few questions. I'm gonna get your opportunity to um add anything you want Um, but the young people, you know, like And when you say young people what what's that age group that really are really vibrant and um Maybe their immune system are stronger and and um, I don't I can't say that they don't need to The vaccination but you can tell me Yeah, so, you know, when we talk about people who are 30 or 35 and less, you know, there's kind of this sense of invincibility I don't need anything. I'm healthy. Even if I get cove it. I won't be sick But what you have to remember is that even though you may not be sick when you get cove it You still have a 30 chance of developing long-haul syndrome and long-haul syndrome Are symptoms that you could develop down the road long after you've recovered from cove it even if you weren't sick Loss of taste or smell difficulty with your memory. So, um, um Including inflammation of your heart and lungs and so these are all Symptoms that if you were previously active, you you may even have difficulty climbing stairs because you're constantly winded And so the irony and the tragedy is while you are correct and that you may not be sick If you were to get cove it 19 But it's like putting a gun to your head and putting one bullet in the chamber And spinning that chamber and pulling the trigger You don't know if you'll be part of the 30 percent that moves on to these long term problems So why would you risk your health? And maybe long term or permanent disability when you are so young when we have a vaccine That's available to you that I only will prevent cove it but it prevents long-haul syndrome as well So you must begin to think about that I know it's hard when you're young to think about long term consequences. You're not accustomed to thinking long term But if you were to become ill and disabled over a period of time, it is devastating to anyone Is especially devastating to people who are very young in the prime of their lives Yeah, and now people can actually um, like I said again can come tune into your shows and learn about the long haul syndrome or they can tune in and find out the facts that you give us um, so, um I think that well first of all Man, I wish I would say come to vermont come to vermont I know I know what is we we need people like you, you know, I mean they come to vermont, you know People who look like you you know and and me, you know, we we need you here um You know, you tell it pretty straight, you know, you you know, you just not because there's a me looking like me But the way how you teach us, you know, i'm saying, um You're you're straight up down the earth you boots on the ground You tell her like it is and you get all the meaningful facts In in no time people watch your shows. It's like two minutes one minute, you know, and you know, it's not long at all You know and they like but you have so much ingredients and facts Facts in there, you know the epidemiology of whatever it is. No, you have it all there and um Do we need that? Yes Do people like you university of vermont and st. Michael college and champlain college and castleton college and north university Do they need to hear you say these things? Yes And um, and so one day i'm you know, i'm gonna be talking to you about because i i work with my I have a program called united college club and is all those colleges and and the students who go to those college Who work work with us and we offer their goals dreams aspiration provide internships things like that and so, um Man, I learned so much. Invite me up. Invite me up. I'm happy to come and talk to people Like you said, it's just it's really boots on the ground. I'm not on any Special organization and any specialty. You know, it's just boots on the ground Interested. I'm passionate. This is important for the preservation of life Um, and I am uh utilizing my medical background my research background You know, all of the time that i've spent in management and leadership in a hospital system And then just the ability to communicate and translate science into terms that everyone can understand This demystification of science. Let's just talk in terms that we all understand Yeah, I think i might have to invite you because i'm i'm i'm selling the epigemiology work group for here And I um, we have education on drugs and i call it tobacco those type of things and um So, you know, it's important. I always include all of that and everything we do I mean, I broke my program have over 50 awards and um, and we always Joix and I call it tobacco and health, you know disparities and health, you know Um, it's very important to me, you know, equity and inclusion and um, so I might have to just bring up on our I tell we have a I have an incredible, you know team here, you know, incredible, um sponsors and my board directors are very important in this state And so um, we can talk about it. But um, so do you want to add anything dr. Jane Morgan? To um, all right. Well, we've been talking or anything. I can't wait to see your next, um, stairwell chronicle You know, I look for it when I give in the morning. I look for it for your shows. I really do I do Well, great. I hope your listeners follow along as well Um, I am pleased to have been invited to come today I am happy to answer questions to talk with people to come to vermont We are truly all in this together. I truly feel this all the way down in my soul And I really dedicate everything that i'm doing in my career currently to moving us towards herd immunity. So It's a pleasure No, I mean, it's it's my pleasure too and a vermont is a beautiful state, you know You look at us the green the green mountain state and um It's so much it's a lot of things to do here. You'll be you'll like it You know a lot churchy marketplace and different things we have to offer here um, it's the um green mountain state and it's um The foliage and uh the mountains in the lakes, you know, this is one of our famous things we are and um But you know, I was born and raised in chicago. So since I've been here like just before covid Every uh every other month I'll fly home Black chicago because my family there, you know, my daughter's there and um You know, plus I got some real estate there and so and it feels so good, you know Just a fly home get around skyscraper as you know, north misskin avenue or while my friends and then fly back to I'm glad I left chicago. I'm back in vermont again. So so I got the boat for best worlds both worlds, you know So once again, dr. Jane Morgan, thank you for coming on the street Thank you so much bruce. I love it. Thank you. Thank you for introducing me to your show and to No, we're it's gonna be like a another part two of this Perfect All right, have a good rest of your day. Thank you. Bye. Bye everybody. Bye everybody. Thanks for tuning in