 24, only in I-24 News. This is a developing situation and we will have updates as more clear details come in over the course of the next hours. In Gaza, a fragile ceasefire is still holding. The Hamas has violated the terms, yet again. A deal renewed just 20 minutes before expiring. Hamas will return only 8 hostages they abducted during the September 7th Massacre. And in return, by themselves, another day to live, 30 more convicted terrorists freed from Israel's prisons and fuel into the Gaza Strip, which Hamas will use at least some portion of to fuel its war capabilities. Hamas, at the very last moment, attempted to alter the terms of the deal, yet again, offering 3 dead bodies alongside 7 live hostages for continued ceasefire. Israel originally rejected this, the terms being 10 live women and children per day of ceasefire. The terrorists claim they don't have any women and children left to exchange, but Israeli intelligence says Hamas has at least 15 more. Israel has been given a list of 10 more names today and accepted the terms. But Hamas released two Russian-Israeli citizens last night as a gesture of Vladimir Putin, a key ally of Hamas's backer Iran. Now the terrorists are holding those two releases against today's count, reducing it to 8. At the same time, we're hearing more stories of cruel abuses of the hostages from the families of those released. Captives beaten with cables, children forced to watch videos of the October 7th massacres and atrocities at gunpoint. But we are first going to go to our reporter Pierre Kloschenler, who is on the phone with us on the way down to Jerusalem where that terror attack took place. Pierre, what do we know about the situation coming in right now? We have only partial information about 20 minutes ago. There was a shooting and possibly an explosive attack against Israelis at the entrance of Jerusalem on the main highway. There is a place where people usually shot. It was already between the site of an earlier terror attack earlier this year. I think it was in February, earlier this February. This time we're talking about two terrorists. They were neutralized. One can be seen clearly with an M15 assault rifle. The two terrorists are laying on the asphalt. We know of six wounded, three severely. One fighting for her life. And the rest are moderately wounded. That's what we know at this point. Well, thank you very much, Pierre. We will be back with you very soon as more details come in and we can confirm some of those in studio when that happens. Thank you, Pierre. We're going to return now to our studio where we have with us our senior editor guy, Asriel, as well as Daniel Shek, former Israeli ambassador to France. I want to turn to you first guy to focus specifically on this attack. It's coming from the West Bank almost certainly as that theater starts to heat up. Ultimately, what happens if this is confirmed to be Hamas activity? I don't think it makes much difference for Israel. Obviously, the attempts to execute terror attacks across the West Bank and Jerusalem are ongoing. This is something that Israel has been fighting for the good part of the past several months and years. And you can go even further in history. This area that we see there is the main entrance to Jerusalem. When you go into Jerusalem through highway number one, this is a very busy bus stop. Anyone who entered Jerusalem know this area very close to the quartz bridge. Obviously symbolic and obviously a place that is very busy at 7.30 a.m. On a Thursday morning, people are getting ready for the weekend or on the way to work. And it also comes after the IDF executed a high level elimination of a terror operative in the West Bank just yesterday in the Jinnin refugee camp, taking down Muhammad's baby, a senior member of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad terror group that can also be in retaliation for that. But as we know very well, there is never a day that is sort of excuses of why to execute terror attacks on Israeli civilians. This is just unfortunately one case in which they were able to execute their attack. But this isn't the first time we've seen a large scale terror attack at the remote junction. It was just about earlier this year that there was a multiple bombing at that exact location as well. Yes, this is a sensitive spot where Israelis are concentrated. I'm sitting in a bus stop, looking at the terrorists obviously looking for unarmed Israelis, civilians who are just waiting for their boss. And in this case we had two armed terrorists, one of them at least with an M16 automatic weapon that was able to hit a large number of Israelis. Very luckily there was an Israeli soldier who was nearby who was able to rush to the scene and he took down both terrorists. Both of them are considered dead on the ground right there with six Israelis wounded, one of them in critical condition, two others in serious condition and three in moderate effort now is to take them to hospitals as quickly as possible. Obviously the Israeli police, the Shin Bet will investigate where these terrorists came from, what their identity is, what affiliation and who sent them to this spot. And I'm just going to add to that, we just have literally in the last couple of seconds an update from again the Devedo emergency services. Seven injured, two of which are in critical condition, five of which are in moderate or other. I am getting information that we have one fatality unfortunately in this terror attack. Let's hope it doesn't increase with at least two in critical, that is a possibility. I guess that the question is will this have any bearing on the war or is it an entirely separate arena? As I said it's nothing new that Israelis are the target of terror attacks. And be it Hamas or be it Palestinian Islamic jihad, Israel is fighting a war against Palestinian terror groups who constantly, just way before this war constantly trying to target Israelis, the ceasefire Israel signed with Hamas applied to the West Bank. There are no expectations that that would apply to other arenas, the efforts to curb terror in the West Bank and Jerusalem, but also in the north with Hezbollah is ongoing. And Israel is not expecting any discount whatsoever from the terror groups in their efforts to continue to slaughter Israelis. And this is the same ideology, the same Nazi like ideology of wanting to slaughter Israelis because they are Jewish. This is what we saw from Hamas on October 7th. And this is what Israel has been dealing with for so many years. This is the same ideology of Hamas of other terror factions who do not accept Israel's right to exist, who in their charter called for the elimination of the state of Israel and to end of slaughtering of Israeli Jews. That is what it is all about. It is the same whether it is in Jerusalem in the West Bank or in Gaza. It just so happens that Israel is engaged in a war with Hamas in Gaza. But the efforts to execute these attacks continue all the time. I'm going to jump now to you, Daniel, because this is all happening as Anthony Blinken is visiting Israel right now. Do we read this as an attack of opportunity or an attempt to influence damage or scuttle any of the negotiations that the Americans are involved in? And of course, will terror be on the list of necessary discussions as well as the war? Well, I think it's trying to read over sophistication into the attack by linking it directly to Secretary Blinken's visit. I suspect that it was something that was planned for a while, especially two people involved. A multiple attack of firearms and possibly explosives. So, no, I think, as was said here, it's probably just part of the ongoing effort of terror groups to hit Israelis whenever the opportunity arises. We tend to read everything into the prism of the war in Gaza now, including this. But we do have to remember that this is an ongoing effort by terror groups in the West Bank to hit Israelis, to find opportunities to hit Israelis. It's also an ongoing effort by Israeli security services to thwart them. And many of these attempts are being stopped in time. Unfortunately, as we know, the fight against terrorism is never foolproof. And sometimes tragedies like this one happen. I suspect that Anthony Blinken will be focused mostly on Gaza, on the war in Gaza, on next steps. Where are we going to? Will there be a prolongation of the ceasefire? And if yes, we need to have a new formula of hostages against ceasefire days. We saw already today that the original formula is no longer valid. So we'll have to see and possibly we might see the renewal of fighting earlier than many expected. Am I once again reading too much into this when we look at the situation in the West Bank and how the Americans are hoping, praying that the Palestinian Authority could be an entity to take over in Gaza after the fighting. When we see just ridiculous amounts of support for terrorism in the West Bank, holding showing support for armed groups as high as 89% depending on the armed group. Does this attack just sort of underscore that situation? And does it send any message to the Americans that maybe these people cannot actually act what they want them to do? Well, you know, I can't put myself in the minds of the Americans, but I think that any reasonable person understands that somebody has to govern Gaza. They can't just eliminate Hamas and then throw away the keys and expect things to govern themselves. So you'll have to choose between the least bad option. There's probably no option that Gaza will become a neighbor like Denmark to Sweden, or you know, that's simply not going to happen. Many in the world, including in Israel, believe that the Palestinian Authority, a reformed Palestinian Authority, as President Biden has said, will probably be the backbone of that governance, supported hopefully by moderate Arab countries in the region and possibly an international force and certainly an international effort for economic renewal and for rebuilding the Gaza Strip after what will remain after the war is over. And we're going to give a quick update on the terror attack situation in Jerusalem. We'll have more details coming out on the victims. The one person confirmed killed is a 16-year-old girl, and there are four that are in a very serious condition, one in medium to light with more updates coming as we get them in. We're going to return to this as soon as we get those updates, but until then I do want to focus a little bit on the Gaza arena because you had brought this up, Daniel, and that's the changing of terms that we've seen over the last day with Hamas and the hostage negotiations going from 10 to 8, trying to do seven in three bodies. Ultimately, how can Israel continue to accept these sort of provocations, these violations of the original terms? Look, I'm of those who believe that as long as you can prolong the list of hostages being freed, Israel should make the effort to make it happen, to enable it. Obviously not at any cost and any change in the deal. It seems that Hamas is beginning to either have real difficulty to bring together lists that are conformed to the deal, meaning women and children, although, as we heard, Israeli intelligence believe that they still hold enough women and children to be able to abide by the original deal. But it seems that Israel has a certain amount of flexibility, and I think that's a good thing. And if we move to healthy young men or soldiers, I don't have any problem with that if they want to continue this deal. I think this is the general feeling also in Israeli public opinion, certainly in the form of families of hostages where I work these days. But I think the Israeli cabinet, the war cabinet, is in a state of mind that says basically doesn't really make a huge difference if we have a five-day ceasefire or an eight-day ceasefire. And as long as we can get more hostages back home, we will make the effort. But is there not a danger that for each change that Hamas presents that Israel accepts, they will continue to be incentivized to make the terms even worse? And if Israel keeps accepting, they can extend the ceasefire virtually indefinitely, which would carry the war. That's what you call a negotiation. You weigh the pros and cons, you make a decision, and then you go ahead. Of course, there is a point where you say no. But again, I'm not in the room there, but if eight Israelis can be freed today, I think it's probably worth going with this little trick of saying, yeah, we freed two Russians yesterday as a gesture, but we're going to count them into the list of today so that we'll just free eight and the two of yesterday will complete the 10. I don't know what the point is where Israel will say no. I'm sure that there is such a point. I'm not sure it's defined, but usually in a negotiation, when you see that point, you know. I mean, there is the challenge, though, and this is where your other area of expertise comes in, the international community, much of which has been pushing for a permanent ceasefire, and not all. Yeah, but that's not on the table for Israel. A permanent ceasefire is simply not on the table for the Israeli government and for Israel in general. I think it's quite clear that we are now in a pause, in a ceasefire that has one specific purpose, and that is to advance as far as possible down the list of hostages to reduce the number. Everybody understands that it's probably not going to be all of them, but the objective is to reduce the number as much as possible and then to go back to fighting. And I think the U.S. understands that, too. Maybe not everybody in the international community. You're absolutely right. But let's say that the U.S., which has a much heavier involvement in this region than other countries, I think is on board. Does the U.S. have any theoretical limit on that, though? If there's a pause for a month, for example, resuming a war after that would be much more difficult. There are very many ifs in your question, Ariel. I'm sorry. I can't answer that. I think it's very clear. It is in the interest of Hamas to extend this pause in the fighting for as much as it can. The thinking behind Hamas is that as long as this pause is extended, it would lead eventually to a permanent ceasefire, one that would not allow Israel to continue its ground operation, its ground maneuver in the Gaza Strip. Hamas has two cards that he plays with. One is that international pressure that at least for now for Israel, it seems, is insignificant and as long as Israel has the support of the U.S. in understanding why this war has been engaged and obviously forced upon on Israel, then that is not a significant factor. The other one, of course, is the Israeli hostages. The price to pay for Israel was considerable with the ratio of one to three hostages for three Palestinian prisoners. That was something that Israel was able to live with now when Hamas would attempt to raise the price when it comes to other Israeli hostages, namely men, civilians, but also later Israeli soldiers, both male and female. They would ask not just for the release of thousands of Palestinian terrorists, but also for the secession of the war in Gaza. That is something that the Israeli government, the Israeli public cannot agree to because what is very clear and it's evident also from what we're seeing in Jerusalem this morning, Israel cannot exist as this threat continues to thrive on its borders. Obviously, difficult to tackle in different ways, both in Jerusalem and in Gaza, but after October 7th, things cannot go back to what they were the day before. We've been seeing Hamas both arming itself and hurting Israelis on a regular basis with thousands of rocket fire throughout the past 15 years with other attacks on Israel from Gaza territory, from constant riots on the fence. So many things that Israel has turned a blind eye to has allowed to happen for so long, it eventually exploded when over 1200 Israelis were slaughtered at the hands of this murderous group. Israel cannot allow it to exist any longer if Hamas has any expectations that something would prevent Israel from eliminating it altogether. Well, it is very wrong. The Israeli public would not agree to anything less than eliminating Hamas, at least going down south and taking over those major positions of Hamas be the day after, as it may be, whether it is the Palestinian Authority, international organizations or other entities that would control Gaza at the end. One thing is clear, Israel wants to prevent Hamas from being able to execute more attacks like we saw on October 7th. And meanwhile, Jewish blood continues to be spilled on the streets of Jerusalem as it is in other areas as well. Correct. And now we're hearing of a 24-year-old woman killed that is I'm hearing in addition to the 16-year-old killed that we reported on just a few minutes ago with five more in serious or critical condition and one more in sort of moderate condition. Again, we're going to have more updates on that attack in Jerusalem as those updates come in. You are seeing live images of the scene of the attack right now where you see the emergency responders and personnel on the ground, as well as the police trying to cordon off the scene to ensure that everything is over and safe on the ground. Now, reports of two terrorists neutralized on site. And again, we will have a lot more as more information comes out. I'm going to turn back to the situation in Gaza once more for more information to come out from Jerusalem. Guy, one of the things you pointed out, hold on, I'm just going to offer you a correction first. It is one person killed, it's not 16. Eight wounded, it is a 24-year-old killed. The 16-year-old was apparently misreported by emergency responders initially. So at the moment, it is still reports of one dead 24 years old, not the 16-year-old girl. But again, we do still have a developing situation that we will return to. I actually want to toss this question to you again, Daniel, because there are two views in the Israeli public. One, Hamas must be destroyed at all costs, but also the biggest, the top priority is going to be getting as many of those hostages back home as possible at any cost, Hamas. But that's the question, is it truly at any cost? The government says one thing, but the families, they might have a very different perspective. Actually, I'm not sure. And I don't think that the two objectives are necessarily contradictory. Any price doesn't mean anything. It's a phrase that has no meaning. You can't say that. What do you mean any price? You know, it's a negotiation. There is a price. You weigh the pros and cons, and you decide if it's a reasonable price or it's not a reasonable price in the general perspective of your objectives. I'll tell you what the difference between the two objectives is. Eliminating Hamas can be a long-term objective. And there is talk about this war lasting a year, maybe more, until you get to the final objective. Saving the hostages is an urgent objective. It has to be done as soon as possible. There are still fragile people there, elderly. There are people who are not getting necessary medical attention, may not be fed correctly, maybe mistreated. That is urgent. So you concentrate on the urgent, and you can still deal with Hamas in a month, or in three months, or maybe in six months. And we're hearing right now the families of the hostages slated for release tonight have been notified. So there is total and full confirmation on what that list is, who that's going to be, and very likely where they're going to go. We are going to have that information as it is made available to the public. So we will have that for you in a later update. With that in mind, ultimately, we are looking at, hopefully, the rest of the women and children coming back in the very near future, very likely by the end of the extension of the current round of ceasefires. Ultimately, what sort of price are we going to pay to start getting elderly men, also innocent civilians back? I don't know. I honestly don't know that. I hope we will be able to continue this deal. There are still, as I said, some people who need urgent attention. And I hope they will be freed. Not all of them are females. Some of them are male, elderly people with chronic illnesses. And even the healthy young people, they are innocent civilians. They were abducted in what, by any measure, is a war crime. And they have the right to be exchanged and to enjoy reasonable treatment. So first of all, I'm really hopeful about what you said about the women and children. As I said, there is a disagreement between Hamas and Israel about the numbers. But since neither you nor me are inside the negotiating room about this, we can only hope that these things will be resolved. Hoping for a more concrete resolution than the speculations that we can offer here. I thank both of you for the analysis and the studio guide, Daniel. And for the audience, we will leave you on these live images. This is the scene of the terror attack that happened less than an hour ago in Jerusalem, at least two terrorists with automatic rifles opening fire at a very crowded bus stop area at the remote junction. Reports of one 24-year-old killed in this. At least five more people in critical condition. And we're going to have updates for you over the course of the day as that situation develops. So we'll be back in just about a half hour. Stay with us when we do. Israel is in a state of war. Families completely gunned down in their beds. We have no idea where she is. Our soldiers are fighting on the front lines. But the general perception is something that needs to be fought as well. For News's ongoing coverage of Israel at war, I'm Ariel Levin Waldman. A large terror attack in Jerusalem this morning at about 7.40 a.m. in the remote neighborhood. Initial reports of at least two people dead, a 24-year-old woman and a 73-year-old man and five more Israelis wounded in serious condition for others in moderate to light condition. Two terrorists neutralized on scene. This is a developing situation. And we will have updates as the details come out. Moving over to Gaza, a fragile ceasefire is still holding despite Hamas having violated the terms yet again. A deal renewed just 20 minutes before expiring this morning. Hamas will return eight hostages they abducted during the October 7th massacre and in return buy themselves another day to live. 30 more convicted terrorists freed from Israel's prisons to fuel into the Gaza Strip, which Hamas will use at least some portion of to fuel its war capabilities. Hamas at the very last moment attempted to alter the deal further in terms of offering three dead bodies alongside seven live hostages for continued ceasefire. Israel originally rejected this. The terms were 10 live women and children per day of ceasefire. The terrorists are claiming they don't have any women and children left. But Israeli intelligence says Hamas has at least 15 more to give. Israel has been given a list of 10 more names today and has accepted the terms. But that includes what was released last night. Hamas having released two Russian-Israeli citizens as a gesture to Vladimir Putin, a key ally of Hamas's backer Iran. Now the terrorists saying that those two releases are counting against today's number, reducing it to eight. At the same time, we are going to go live instead to a presentation from Itamar Ben-Vir, internal security minister translated by our guy Azrael. I often see with this policy of delivering weapons to civilians weapons save lives. We see this every time whenever the civilians have weapons or soldiers policemen, they rescue save the situation. This weapon can save us and this proves itself over and over again. There's a discussion today at the AG regarding our policy of delivering weapons. I believe that the AG officials understand the reality. It is proven once and time again weapons save lives. This is the reason that for the past month and a half we've moved from one place to another. The head of the police with me we open emergency teams and deliver weapons. I've eased the criteria to receive weapons. I'm not ashamed of that. We have a strong police, a strong military, but there's never a policeman at every spot. So whenever civilians have weapons this can save lives. I think this is the reason for my stance is that Hamas terrorists who initiated this attack this morning in one voice these are Hamas terrorists as far as we understand Hamas speaks with two voices. Anyone who allegedly speaks of a ceasefire with one voice of a ceasefire and a second voice of terror. And I say my opinion on the ceasefire is clear. We must not allow Hamas speak to us with two voices. Thank you very much. And we are going to get a view from the ground at the scene of the terror attack. We are joined now by Dov Meisel, VP of operations of Uned al-Hazzala. Dov, thank you for being with us. Describe exactly what happened this morning. So what happened this morning and this very difficult morning here in the entrance to Jerusalem is a car that you can see right behind me there. It came up to the bus stop, which unfortunately has known a number of terror attacks in the past. It stopped at the bus stop. Terrorists came out of the car and started shooting with automatic weapons at people waiting to go to work or wherever they were going this morning, killing two and injuring another eight or nine people on scene. And what was the response like? How fast were emergency services able to make the scene and what were the immediate needs? So the first call that came over the radio was of our volunteers of ours who live across the street, literally coming running out of their houses to the sounds of the automatic gunshots running across the street immediately saying that there are a number of people injured on different levels of severity. Within, I would say a minute and a half, two minutes at max, there were a number of medics, EMTs, paramedics on scene already treating the patients and then assisting to transport them to the hospitals for definitive care. Unfortunately, there were those that didn't survive. We hear that there are still five people in serious to possibly critical condition. What do we know about the injuries and what can we say about their prognosis? So I don't know to say at this point about their prognosis and their injuries are severe injuries from multiple gunshots to different parts of the body. I can't go into too much detail, but a lot of a lot of firearm was shot over here and we're all praying for them to survive. The scene on the ground now, is it considered secure? Is the incident considered over? The incident at this point is considered over. Yes, absolutely. They're already now starting to clear away the vehicle of the terrorists from here. And of course, the police are doing the work. Once the terrorists were taken out, of course, police took extra measures to do initial assessment of the area to see that there aren't additional terrorists. But otherwise, there wasn't any significant threat once the terrorists were shot by the soldier that happened to be here at the bus stop. And the civilian. Okay, thank you very much, Doe, for those updates from the ground giving us a clearer picture of the situation as it went down this morning and what the most recent developments are. We are going to now return to the studio where we have our senior editor Guy Azriel standing by. So we just heard about what was seen on the ground before we get into any further analysis of this topic. Do we have any further updates on the situation security wise regarding the terror attack this morning? Well, what we do know is the both these terrorists are residents of East Jerusalem, the neighborhood of Sur Bahar. We hear that their names are Ibrahim and Murad Namr. Both of them hold Israeli IDs. This is important because obviously it shows that these people have free access. There is really civilians that have free access to anywhere they want in the country. And this is why it was very easy for them to make their way from East Jerusalem into this bus stop at the entrance to Jerusalem in their search of Jewish blood in this case. Very interestingly, we are hearing that one of the soldiers who took down these terrorists and we're seeing the very dramatic images there as they embarked out of their car and started firing with an automatic weapon towards the Israeli civilians there. We understand that one of the soldiers who eliminated them was actually on a very short break from operations in Gaza. He was out to visit home for 12 hours. He was on his way back to his operational activity in Gaza when he was waiting at that bus stop and he was able to eliminate them. So just pure luck that that soldier was there, was fighting to save lives inside Gaza and happened to have the chance to do the same in this unfortunate opportunity in Jerusalem. Very brave man together with two others. We know one civilian at least and two soldiers were involved in taking down these terrorists. Police, of course, and the Shin Bet will be investigating who else knew about the plans to execute this attack, who possibly assisted them in collecting the weapons in deciding where to go. And we know there was a lot of ammunition, a lot of magazines inside the car. It is very possible that they attempted to execute this attack in various arenas. They shot at whoever they could at this bus stop and then could have made their way into another spot and tried to hurt more Israelis in another scene. It was only thanks to the very quick reaction of those soldiers and that civilian that prevented even more casualties. Very sadly, we still have... Unfortunately, we actually are just getting an update right now from again, David Adam, Emergency Services, that they are saying there is a third person to have died in the attack this morning. Correct. Bringing updates, hopefully better ones as the situation develops and as a clearer picture comes in. We are going to first turn, though, to Kobe Michael, Senior Research Fellow at the Institute for National Security Studies and former Deputy Director General of the Israeli Ministry of Strategic Affairs. Kobe, it's good to have you with us. Unfortunately, the topic is not. We're seeing the West Bank heating up. Is there a way to prevent the West Bank from breaking out into what's effectively another Intifada in the middle of a wartime? It's not a Intifada yet, but it is more intensified because of the war in Gaza. And Hamas does all the possible efforts in order to ignite the area and they are fully concentrated on East Jerusalem because they know that this is our weak belly. And it looks that here they have succeeded in a way, although we have to look for further details from the interrogation of Shabbat in order to understand if these two people who hold an Israeli ID actually lived in East Jerusalem or they lived in Ramallah or in the area of Ramallah and they came into Jerusalem by using their Israeli ID. Because generally speaking, I think that the Palestinians of East Jerusalem are relatively calm during the days of the war because they understand that they might risk themselves in a very severe manner. And this is, I would say, I think the first event in East Jerusalem or the first event that Palestinians from East Jerusalem are involved in since October 7th. I mean, Coby, from what I understand in the year leading up to October 7th, most of the worst attacks were generally by people with East Jerusalem IDs, East Jerusalem residency. It's been considered one of the hottest spots in Israel for terror related activities. It seems strange that since the war started, we can say it's been relatively calm because it is generally a terror hotspot. Yes, not most of the attacks were from East Jerusalem, but many attacks from East Jerusalem. And yes, you are right. And I think that the Palestinian Jerusalemites just really fear like many of the Arab citizens of Israel since October 7th because they know that the nerves of the Israeli society are very tensioned since October 7th. And they know that there are many security forces in the streets. And they fear that if something will be done in this regard, then the situation will be escalated. And they will find themselves in a very similar situation. And this is exactly the situation in East Jerusalem. And it is a bit surprising that we see something like that. Today, although we know that there are many hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who live in East Jerusalem, and the probability that one of them will do something like that is an existing probability. As long as that probability exists, there's obviously a threat. And we're talking about two people that engage in close planning without even the use of digital communications in many cases. It's very difficult, if not impossible to detect in advance. Ultimately, is there a good solution to this? I don't like the term of solution because we are talking about the very complicated the situations and problems. But I do think that we have the capacity and the ability to detect and to have intelligence and in many cases to thwart and to prevent. But there is no 100% of success. We must understand that we can do 100% of efforts, but it doesn't mean that they will be translated to 100% of success. And I think that taking into consideration the huge scale of terrorism and violence in the entire West Bank and the interrelations between East Jerusalem and the West Bank, I think that the situation in East Jerusalem, generally speaking, is a very good situation from the security point of view with the unfortunate event of the day. Kobe, we heard the Interior Security Minister Tamar Ben-Gvir making a presentation from the scene of the attack. He spent about half of his presentation talking about arming civilians and hardening targets that way. And we have seen since the war started something like 250,000 Israelis attempting to get their firearms permit. Is this ultimately going to be a good solution to terror attacks given that we are hearing that the terrorists this morning were neutralized in part due to armed civilians on scene? I think that generally speaking, it's a right idea. But we have to be very cautious in this regard. And we don't have to ease the criteria for providing a license for weapons. Because otherwise, we might find ourselves in a very problematic circumstances which are not related necessarily to terrorism. But we'll be related to crime and to violence inside the Israeli society. And therefore I think that the Minister Ben-Gvir is right with regard to the idea that more weapons should be in the hands of civilians. But those civilians must be very qualified and very responsible civilians. And in order to assure that we have to be more strict with regard to the criteria. Well, thank you very much, Kobe. We are going to move to our defense correspondent, Jonathan Regev. Now, actually changing arenas completely because all of this is happening. But there's still the issue of the war going on at the same time as the terror attack. You're standing by at the Schneider Children's Medical Center because our top story today was originally going to be the hostages getting released. Obviously, that's been displaced. But we still have to follow up with what's going on with the condition of who's been released. And what's the current latest on the hostage situation that has been the core of Israel's war since it began? So four hostages arrived here very late at night. Four children arrived here very late at night. Of course, we remember that the whole release situation last night was delayed. So things happened much later than they were originally planned to take place. But eventually it happened. And 12 hostages all together were arrived to Israel, two in the initial stage, and then 10 in another later stage of these 10, four children arrived here at the Schneider Hospital, according to the very initial examinations that they went through. Their situation is well, they're doing well. And these are the happy news of the day. Four children arriving here at Schneider in good condition. And I'm here at Schneider, and I'm sure that in other hospitals, they'll be happy to get many, many more people later on in this day. Now we're talking about physical conditions being considered good, but we're hearing stories every single day of cruelties, abuses, and forms of torture that were inflicted on the hostages while they were in Hamas's custody. Ultimately, what are doctors saying about that as far as the psychological prognosis goes? Of course, what the doctors are saying is that the treatment will go on for months and months, even if the physical situation is good. And we know that some of the children have already been released because their situation is good. So there's nothing much to do in a hospital, but their treatment has to continue exactly due to what you mentioned, Ariella, the psychological situation. Kids that spent 50 days sometimes by themselves, almost entirely by themselves, or in tunnels, or moved from place to place and under very difficult psychological conditions. And therefore, their situation has to be monitored on the psychological level. Yes, most of the children arrived in a good physical condition, which by itself is very happy. But the fact that they're released from here does not mean that their treatment is ending. There's a lot to follow, especially on that field that you mentioned, the psychological field. Well, thank you very much, Jonathan, for that update on the condition of the hostages. As the war goes on, we won't be hearing more and more about those who are released. That said, we are going to return to the studio where our senior Adler, Guy Azriel, is sitting with us still. I want to continue on the hostage situation a little bit because this whole dichotomy between ensuring there's a long enough ceasefire to get back people versus actually defeating Hamas has been hanging over the entire war now, with Hamas starting to change the terms of the deal, eight people instead of 10, trying to push seven people and bodies. Is it a sign that the ceasefire is coming to its conclusion? Well, this ceasefire is a very fragile, that is to say, the least. Once Israel has agreed to this outline of releasing hostages in exchange for days of pause in the fighting and also the release of Palestinian prisoners who committed acts of terror, I think Israel can suffer another day or two of this pause. It would not make a significant difference when it comes to the operational disadvantages of this pause. Obviously, it does allow Hamas a lot of time to regroup, to rearm, to reset itself, to observe the IDF troops where they're stationed, to prepare more ways of attacking those troops who are on the ground. I certainly hope and expect the IDF to be operating this way as well, trying to think of ways to regroup and then restart the fighting once it does in better terms. As for the conditions, obviously Hamas is always trying to lower the price it pays. Overnight, they attempted to send a list of seven live hostages plus three bodies. Israel did not accept that offer and that is why we waited, it was really down to the wire 20 minutes before 7 a.m. is when we received the news that this pause will continue and agreement was made. Eventually, they did send an improved list of eight Israeli live hostages and there's still discussions regarding the three bodies that they offered to release and what would be the price for them. Regardless of that, that is still less than what was agreed upon initially when we spoke about 10 Israeli hostages a day. The excuse of Hamas, then we don't know why Israel accepted that, was counting the two Israeli Russian nationals that were released yesterday and Hamas said as a gesture to Russian President Putin and his support for the Palestinian cause and Hamas in this war, why is it that they are counted as part of the 10 that are expected, the war expected to be released today and so Israel is only getting eight hostages back this evening. We saw that even yesterday, it again was down to the wire, it took until around 11 30 p.m. local time before those hostages were eventually released by the Hamas terror group to the hands of the Red Cross and from there to Egypt and to Israel. The deadline was of course midnight, so Hamas is trying to pull any tricks up on its sleeves and I don't expect any much difference today until we eventually see those eight Israelis on Israeli soil today. And regardless of that, the hours of tomorrow morning are going to be very tense unless Hamas can provide a list of 10 more Israelis to be released under the same conditions. If not, we could certainly see the resumption of the fighting as early as tomorrow morning. Have you seen any credible polling as to what the Israeli reaction to the extension of the ceasefire has been and if there's any statements or any ideas of what the general public thinks about these sort of quasi violations and Israel effectively sticking with the plan despite them. Look, there was a very wide protest of the hostages and missing forum for the release of those Israeli hostages. Obviously, human lives matter a lot for the Israeli society and we've seen that throughout Israel's history, the very heavy prices that Israel was willing to pay to bring back Israeli hostages. I can remind you that when Israel was as managed to free Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit several years ago, the price paid was 1027 Palestinian prisoners. These are over 1000 Palestinian terrorists who committed crimes attempted to slaughter Israelis. These were released for the price of just one Israeli soldier abducted into Gaza. So when the price now is merely, if you could call it that way, three Palestinian prisoners, women and children for those each Israeli hostage, that is a price that the Israeli society as a whole agrees to accept that is the general consensus. Having said that, we must not forget what are the goals of Israel's war here and whether that diverts the possibility of continuing that war when it comes to the momentum both in terms of the international support but also in terms of the military operation in Gaza. Once it was decided that this deal would go through and Israel would release whoever it can release at this point. It did not matter whether it is four days or six days. The maximum is 10 days. This is what the government agreed upon before they will need to re-vote. The public wants to see those Israelis back as long as the goals of this operation are still achieved at the end of this war. It's also worth noting that the Palestinian security prisoners that have been freed as part of this hostile are largely the West Bank and East Jerusalem convicted of attempted murder, which means each one freed represents another possible terror attack like when we saw this morning. Yeah, there's no question about that and we know that some of the terrorists that were released yesterday are also from the same neighborhood where these two terrorists came today from to Bahrain East Jerusalem. That is something that is very clear. Having said that, obviously Israel is able to at least monitor the activity of those that it does release for whatever that counts. But Israel has arrested over 2,000 Palestinian terrorist suspects just since the start of this war. So the efforts are ongoing. We know at least 1,100 of them are Hamas operatives just in the West Bank that doesn't count all of the Hamas terrorists that were collected from Gaza. And when we speak about that there's an interesting report in the Wall Street Journal today saying that Israel is looking to perhaps expel some of these terrorists from Gaza into other countries as part of a wider deal at the end of this war. We'll see if there's any takers from that. So what we understand there's been no response from Hamas on possibly fleeing the area to save their lives. But there hasn't been much pressure on them since the ceasefire started, obviously. Thank you very much Guy for that breakdown of events. For everyone else though, we are out of time. We will see you again in just a half hour at our 10 o'clock broadcast. So come back for that. Thanks for watching. Israel is in a state of war. Families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front line. But the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well. Thank for news's ongoing coverage of Israel at war. I'm Ariel Levin Waldman, a large terror attack in Jerusalem this morning at about 740 a.m. in the remote neighborhood. Initial reports of at least two people dead, a 24 year old woman and a 73 year old man and five more Israelis wounded in serious condition for others in moderate to light condition. Two terrorists neutralized on scene. This is a developing situation and we will have updates as the details come out. Moving over to Gaza, a fragile ceasefire is still holding despite Hamas having violated the terms yet again. A deal renewed just 20 minutes before expiring this morning. Hamas will return eight hostages they abducted during the October 7th massacre and in return by themselves another day to live. 30 more convicted terrorists freed from Israel's prisons and fuel into the Gaza Strip, which Hamas will use at least some portion of to fuel its war capabilities. Hamas at the very last moment attempted to alter the deal further in terms of offering three dead bodies alongside seven live hostages for continued ceasefire. Israel originally rejected this. The terms were 10 live women and children per day of ceasefire. The terrorists are claiming they don't have any women and children left. But Israeli intelligence says Hamas has at least 15 more to give. Israel has been given a list of 10 more names today and has accepted the terms, but that includes what was released last night. Hamas having released two Russian Israeli citizens as a gesture to Vladimir Putin, a key ally of Hamas's backer Iran. Now the terrorists saying that those two releases are counting against today's number, reducing it to eight. At the same time, we hold on, we are going to go live instead to a presentation from Itamar Ben-Vir, Internal Security Minister, translated by our guy Azrael. I will continue with this policy of delivering weapons to civilians. Weapons save lives. We see this every time. Whenever the civilians have weapons or soldiers, policemen, they rescue, save the situation. This weapon can save us and this proves itself over and over again. There's a discussion today at the AG regarding our policy of delivering weapons. I believe that the AG officials understand the reality. It is proven once and time again, weapons save lives. This is the reason that for the past month and a half, we moved from one place to another. The head of the police with me, we open emergency teams and deliver weapons. I've eased the criteria to receive weapons. I'm not ashamed of that. We have a strong police, a strong military, but there's never a policeman at every spot. So whenever civilians have weapons, this can save lives. My stance is that Hamas terrorists who initiated this attack this morning in one voice. These are Hamas terrorists, as far as we understand. Hamas speaks with two voices. Anyone who allegedly speaks of a ceasefire with one voice of a ceasefire and a second voice of terror. And I say my opinion on the ceasefire is clear. We must not allow Hamas speak to us with two voices. Thank you very much. And we are going to get a view from the ground at the scene of the terror attack. We are joined now by Dov Meisel, VP of Operations of Yunnel Hatzala. Dov, thank you for being with us. Describe exactly what happened this morning. So what happened this morning and this very difficult morning here in the entrance to Jerusalem is a car that you can see right behind me there. They came up to the bus stop, which unfortunately is known for it has known a number of terror attacks in the past. They stopped at the bus stop. Terrorists came out of the car and started shooting with automatic weapons at people waiting to go to work or wherever they were going this morning, killing two and injuring another eight or nine people on scene. And what was the response like? How fast were emergency services able to make the scene and what were the immediate needs? So the first call that came over the radio was of our volunteers of ours who live across the street literally coming running out of their houses to the sounds of the automatic gunshots running across the street immediately saying that there are a number of people injured and different levels of severity within I would say a minute and a half two minutes at max there were a number of of a medics EMTs paramedic on scene already treating the patients and then assisting to transport them to the hospitals for definitive care. Unfortunately there were those that didn't survive. We hear that there are still five people in serious to possibly critical condition. What do we know about the injuries and what can we say about their prognosis? So I don't know to say at this point about their prognosis and their injuries are severe injuries from multiple gunshots to different parts of the body. I can't go into too much detail but a lot of firearm was shot over here and we're all praying for them to survive. The scene on the ground now is it considered secure? Is the incident considered over? The incident at this point is considered over. Yes absolutely they're already now starting to clear away the vehicle of the terrorists from here and of course the police are doing the work. Once the terrorists were taken out of course police took extra measures to do an initial assessment of the area to see that there aren't additional terrorists but otherwise there wasn't any significant threat once the terrorists were shot by the soldier that happened to be here at the bus stop and the civilian. Okay thank you very much Doe for those updates from the ground giving us a clearer picture of the situation as it went down this morning and what the most recent developments are. We are going to now return to the studio where we have our senior editor Guy Azrael standing by so we just heard about what was seen on the ground before we get into any further analysis of this topic. Do we have any further updates on the situation security-wise regarding the terror attack this morning? Well what we do know is the both these terrorists or residents of East Jerusalem the neighborhood of Sur Bahair we hear that their names are Ibrahim and Murad Namr both of them hold Israeli IDs. This is important because obviously it shows that these people have free access there Israeli civilians that have free access to anywhere they want in the country and this is why it was very easy for them to make their way from East Jerusalem into this bus stop at the entrance to Jerusalem in their search of Jewish blood in this case very interestingly we are hearing that one of the soldiers who took down these terrorists and we're seeing the very dramatic images there as they embarked out of their car and started firing with an automatic weapon towards the Israeli civilians there. We understand that one of the soldiers who eliminated them was actually on a very short break from operations in Gaza he was out to visit the home for 12 hours he was on his way back to his operational activity in Gaza when he was waiting at that bus stop and he was able to eliminate them so just pure luck that that soldier was there was fighting to save lives inside Gaza and happened to have the chance to do the same in this unfortunate opportunity in Jerusalem very brave man together with two others we know one civilian at least and two soldiers were involved in taking down these terrorists police of course and the Shin Bet will be investigating who else knew about the plans to execute this attack who possibly assisted them in collecting the weapons in in deciding where to go we know there was a lot of ammunition a lot of magazines inside the car it is very possible that they attempted to execute this attack in various arenas they shot at whoever they could at this bus stop and then could have made their way into another spot and and and try to hurt more Israelis in another scene it was only thanks to the very quick reaction of those soldiers and that civilian that prevented even more casualties very sadly we still have unfortunately we are just getting an update right now from again David Adam emergency services that they are saying there is a third person to have died in the attack this morning correct bringing updates hopefully better ones as the situation develops and as a clearer picture comes in we are going to first turn though to Kobe Michael senior research fellow at the Institute for National Security Studies and former deputy director general of the Israeli ministry of strategic affairs Kobe it's good to have you with us unfortunately the topic is not we're seeing the West Bank heating up is there a way to prevent the West Bank from breaking out into what's effectively another intifada in the middle of a war time it's not an intifada yet but it is more intensified because of the of the war in Gaza and Hamas does all the all the possible efforts you know that to ignite the area and they are fully concentrated on East Jerusalem because they know that this is this is you know our our week belly and it looks that here they have succeeded in a way although we have to look for further details from the interrogation of of the of Shabbat in order to understand that if these two people who hold the an Israeli ID actually lived in East Jerusalem or they lived in Ramallah or in the area of Ramallah and they came into Jerusalem by using their Israeli ID because generally speaking I think that the Palestinians of East Jerusalem are relatively calm during the the days of the war because they understand that they might risk themselves in a very in a very severe manner and this is I would say I think the first event in East Jerusalem or the first event that the Palestinians from East Jerusalem are involved in since October 7th. I mean Kobe from what I understand in the year leading up to October 7th most of the worst attacks were generally by people with East Jerusalem IDs East Jerusalem residency it's been considered one of the hottest spots in Israel for terror related activities. It seems strange that since the war started we can say it's been relatively calm because it is generally a terror hotspot. Yes, not not most of the attacks were from East Jerusalem but many attacks from East Jerusalem and yes you are right and I think that the the the Palestinian Jerusalemites just really fear like many of the Arab citizens of Israel since October 7th because they know that the nerves of the Israeli society are very tensioned since October 7th and they know that there are many security forces in the streets and they fear that if something will be done in this regard then the situation will be escalated and they will find themselves in a very similar situation and this is exactly the situation in East Jerusalem and it is a bit surprising that we see something like that today although we know that there are many hundreds of thousands of Palestinians who live in East Jerusalem and the probability that one of them will do something like that is is an existing probability. As long as that probability exists there's obviously a threat and we're talking about two people that engage in close planning without even the use of digital communications in many cases. It's very difficult if not impossible to detect in advance ultimately is there a good solution to this. I don't like the show of solution because we are talking about the very complicated the situations and problems but I do think that we have the capacity and the ability to detect and to have intelligence in many cases to thwart and to prevent but there is no 100% of success we must understand that we can do 100% of efforts but it doesn't mean that they will be translated to 100% of success and I think that taking into consideration the huge scale of terrorism and violence in the entire West Bank and the interrelations between East Jerusalem and the West Bank I think that the situation in East Jerusalem generally speaking is a very good situation from the security point of view with the unfortunate event of the day. Coby we heard the Interior Security Minister Tamar Ben-Gvir making a presentation from the scene of the attack. He spent about half of his presentation talking about arming civilians and hardening targets that way. And we have seen since the war started something like 250,000 Israelis attempting to get their firearms permit. Is this ultimately going to be a good solution to terror attacks given that we are hearing that the terrorists this morning were neutralized in part due to armed civilians on scene. I think that generally speaking it's a right idea but we have to be very cautious in this regard and we don't have to ease the criteria for providing a license for weapons because otherwise we might find ourselves in very problematic circumstances which are not related necessarily to terrorism but will be related to crime and to violence inside the Israeli society. And therefore I think that Minister Ben-Gvir is right with regard to the idea that more weapons should be in the hands of civilians but those civilians must be very qualified and very responsible civilians. And in order to assure that we have to be more strict with regard to the criteria. Thank you very much, Koby. We are going to move to our defense correspondent Jonathan Regev now. Actually changing arenas completely because all of this is happening but there's still the issue of the war going on at the same time as the terror attack. You're standing by at the Schneider Children's Medical Center because our top story today was originally going to be the hostages getting released obviously that's been displaced but we still have to follow up with what's going on with the condition of who's been released and what's the current latest on the hostage situation that has been the core of Israel's war since it began. So four hostages arrived here very late at night. Four children arrived here very late at night. Of course we remember that the whole release of situation last night was delayed so things happened much later than they were originally planned to take place but eventually it happened and 12 hostages all together were arrived to Israel to in the initial stage and then 10 in another later stage of visa 10. Four children arrived here at the Schneider Hospital according to the very initial examinations that they went through. Their situation is well they're doing well and these are the happy news of the day four children arriving here at Schneider in good condition and I'm here at Schneider and I'm sure that in other hospitals they'll be happy to get many more people later on in this day. Now we're talking about physical conditions being considered good but we're hearing stories every single day of cruelties abuses and forms of torture that were inflicted on the hostages while they were in Hamas's custody. Ultimately what are doctors saying about that as far as the psychological prognosis goes? Of course what the doctors are saying is that the treatment will go on for months and months even if the physical situation is good and we know that some of the children have already been released because their situation is good so there's nothing much to do in a hospital but their treatment has to continue exactly due to what you mentioned Ariella the psychological situation kids that spent 50 days sometimes by themselves almost entirely by themselves or in tunnels or moved from place to place and under very difficult psychological conditions and therefore their situation has to be monitored on the psychological level. Yes most of the children arrived in a good physical condition which by itself is very happy but the fact that they're released from here does not mean that their treatment is ending there's a lot to follow especially on that field that you mentioned the psychological field. Well thank you very much Jonathan for that update on the condition of the hostages as the war goes on we won't be hearing more and more about those who are released. That said we are going to return to the studio where our senior editor Guy Azriel is sitting with us still. I want to continue on the hostage situation a little bit because this whole dichotomy between ensuring there's a long enough ceasefire to get back people versus actually defeating Hamas has been hanging over the entire war now with Hamas starting to change the terms of the deal eight people instead of 10 trying to push seven people and bodies. Is it a sign that the ceasefire is coming to its conclusion? Well this ceasefire is a very fragile that is to say the least once Israel has agreed to this outline of releasing hostages in exchange for days of pause in the fighting and also the release of Palestinian prisoners who committed acts of terror. I think Israel can suffer another day or two of this pause. It would not make a significant difference when it comes to the operational disadvantages of this pause. Obviously it does allow Hamas a lot of time to regroup, to rearm, to reset itself, to observe the IDF troops where they're stationed to prepare more ways of attacking those troops who are on the ground. I certainly hope and expect the IDF to be operating this as well trying to think of ways to regroup and then restart the fighting once it does in better terms. As for the conditions, obviously Hamas is always trying to lower the price it pays overnight. They attempted to send a list of seven live hostages plus three bodies. Israel did not accept that offer and that is why we waited, it was really down to the wire 20 minutes before 7 a.m. is when we received the news that this pause will continue and agreement was made. Eventually they did send an improved list of eight Israeli live hostages and there's still discussions regarding the three bodies that they offer to release and what would be the price for them. Regardless of that, that is still less than what was agreed upon initially when we spoke about 10 Israeli hostages a day. The excuse of Hamas, then we don't know why Israel accepted that, was counting the two Israeli Russian nationals that were released yesterday and Hamas said as a gesture to Russian President Putin and his support for the Palestinian cause and Hamas in this war. Why is it that they are counted as part of the 10 that are expected, were expected to be released today and so Israel is only getting eight hostages back this evening. We saw that even yesterday it again was down to the wire. It took until around 11 30 p.m. local time before those hostages were eventually released by the Hamas terror group to the hands of the Red Cross and from there to Egypt and to Israel. The deadline was of course midnight. So Hamas is trying to pull any tricks up on its sleeves and I don't expect any much difference today until we eventually see those eight Israelis on Israeli soil today. And regardless of that the hours of tomorrow morning are going to be very tense unless Hamas can provide a list of 10 more Israelis to be released under the same conditions. If not, we could certainly see the resumption of the fighting as early as tomorrow morning. Have you seen any credible polling as to what the Israeli reaction to the extension of the ceasefire has been? And if there's any statements or any ideas of what the general public thinks about these sort of quasi violations and Israel effectively sticking with the plan despite them. Look, there was a very wide protest of the hostages and missing forum for the release of those Israeli hostages. Obviously human lives matter a lot for the Israeli society. And we've seen that throughout Israel's history, the very heavy prices that Israel was willing to pay to bring back Israeli hostages. I can remind you that when Israel was as managed to free Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit several years ago, the price paid was 1027 Palestinian prisoners. These are over 1000 Palestinian terrorists who committed crimes attempted to slaughter Israelis. These were released for the price of just one Israeli soldier abducted into Gaza. So when the price now is merely, if you could call it that way, three Palestinian prisoners, women and children, for those each Israeli hostage, that is a price that the Israeli society as a whole agrees to accept that is the general consensus. Having said that, we must not forget what are the goals of Israel's war here and whether that diverts the possibility of continuing that war when it comes to the momentum both in terms of the international support but also in terms of the military operation in Gaza. Once it was decided that this deal would go through and Israel would release whoever it can release at this point. It did not matter whether it is four days or six days. The maximum is 10 days. This is what the government agreed upon before they will need to revote. The public wants to see those Israelis back as long as the goals of this operation are still achieved at the end of this war. It's also worth noting that the Palestinian security prisoners that have been freed as part of this hostile are largely the West Bank and East Jerusalem convicted of attempted murder which means each one freed represents another possible terror attack like when we saw this morning. Yeah, there's no question about that. And we know that some of the terrorists that were released yesterday are also from the same neighborhood where these two terrorists came today from Tsubahir in East Jerusalem that is something that is very clear. Having said that obviously Israel is able to at least monitor the activity of those that it does release for whatever that counts but Israel has arrested over 2,000 Palestinian terrorist suspects just since the start of this war. So the efforts are ongoing. We know at least 1,100 of them are Hamas operatives just in the West Bank that doesn't count all of the Hamas terrorists that were collected from Gaza. And when we speak about that there's an interesting report in the Wall Street Journal today saying that Israel is looking to perhaps expel some of these terrorists from Gaza into other countries as part of a wider deal at the end of this war. We'll see if there's any takers from that. So what we understand there's been no response from Hamas on possibly fleeing the area to save their lives but there hasn't been much pressure on them since the ceasefire started obviously. Thank you very much Guy for that breakdown of events. For everyone else though we are out of time. We will see you again in just a half hour at our 10 o'clock broadcast. So come back for that. Thanks for watching. Israel is in a state of war. Families completely done down in their beds. We have no idea where she is. Our soldiers are fighting on the front lines but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well. News 24 news is ongoing coverage of Israel at war. I'm Ariel Levin Waldman a large terror attack in Jerusalem this morning at about 7 40 in the morning in the remote neighborhood. Initial reports of at least three people dead and five more Israelis wounded in serious condition with four others still in moderate or light condition. Two terrorists neutralized now confirmed by a Shin Bet investigation to have been Hamas members. Murad Namur and Ibrahim Namur brothers from East Jerusalem who had been arrested for security related offenses as well as planning terror attacks before being released. This is a developing situation and we will have more updates as details come out. Israel's internal security minister Itamar Ben Gvir addressed the events of this morning and the security forces and armed civilians that put down the terrorists. I will continue with this policy of delivering weapons to civilians. Weapons save lives. We see this every time whenever the civilians have weapons or soldiers. Policemen they rescue save the situation. This weapon can save us and this proves itself over and over again. There's a discussion today at the AG regarding our policy of delivering weapons. I believe that the AG officials understand the reality. It is proven once and time again weapons save lives. And our correspondent Pierre Kloschenler is on the phone with us now. He is on his way to the scene of the terror attack. Pierre, what can you tell us about the current situation? What are the latest details to have come out? Well, as you said, three people dead, a woman in her 20s, a man in his 70s. We don't know about the person who was killed in that shooting attack which was really a three-point range really by two terrorists that came out of their car at the bus station. Fred Bullitt with an M16 and a pistol. They had a few magazines and a munitions in the car which means that the terror attack was well prepared and they were supposed to be on a sweeping rampage but they were intercepted very quickly within a minute. By two IDF reserve soldiers, one of them was on his way back to the Gaza Strip as he was located on the front beforehand. We had a a leave of a 12-hour leave and he was also the two terrorists were also shot by a civilian. The toll is heavy. There's four people in critical condition. One is moderately wounded another one is lightly wounded and others have been taken with anxiety. What we know about the two terrorists Murad, 38 and Ibrahim 30 they're from the same family. The name of the family in the east Jerusalem neighborhood of Sloboa here. One of them was convicted and jailed for 10 years between 2010 to 2020. He was a terror operative. He was a Hamas terror operative. His chin was Ibrahim was jailed for eight months in 2014 for assisting terror activities and the two were killed now there's heavy police in Sloboa which is a neighborhood in southeast Jerusalem. At the same spot exactly a year ago there was an explosive terror attack and we see where he's get killed and those were wounded two weeks ago there was an attack a shooting attack in a tunnel between Jerusalem and the West Bank not far away from Sloboa here by the way in which one soldier was killed and others were wounded the three terrorists in that attack two weeks ago were killed Hamas operatives at the time two weeks ago the attack was claimed by the Hamas brigade Ibrahim Al-Kasam today Hamas has not claimed the responsibility yet but we know that the two the two brothers of the two relay relatives were probably activated by Hamas in the past so it could also be a Hamas instigated terror attack the amazing thing in spite of the heavy cold he finished in Saraya after that 7.38 am in the morning within minutes it was over the toll is heavy but within 30 minutes all the wounded were hospitalized already because the rescue headquarters are minutes away from that bus station at the entrance of Jerusalem and that probably also saved additional life as for our severe condition well Pierre I think we're all hoping that the rest of the wounded do make a good recovery thank you very much for that report from your way down to that scene of the crime right now we are going to turn now to the studio for some analysis we have with us former senior intelligence officer with the IDF Rafael Urashalmi as well as our senior editor guy Azriel Rafael I want to open with you first though you have the security background of dealing with West Bank issues yourself ultimately we've seen Hamas expanding its activities over the last decade in the West Bank to the point where they are the dominant force ultimately can Israel keep suppressing them there forever or are we going to see a lot more breakouts like this one due to the advent of the war it's an ongoing war and of late the central command of the IDF with the support of the police and Hushin bed security services have held a good grip on the Judea and Samaria and we have actually had much less terrorist attacks perpetrated during the last months or two since the beginning of the war actually against the Hamas in the south the center has been relatively quiet every night dozens of terrorists have been either arrested or eliminated dozens of hiding places for weapons and explosive have been found so there's quite a good record really and I would say even compared to the era before this war where there were much more attacks perpetrated it seems that we're doing something right so far of course there is no 100 success in this particular case the terrorists are very well trained as we see they are well equipped with an M16 rifle a revolver, a car this is a very well planned attack by trained terrorists and made even easier by the fact that they're coming from east Jerusalem with a yellow plate car an Israeli plate car which means they can circulate very freely inside Jerusalem so unfortunately this time there was a success on their part this is because there are two orders one order is like a permanent order since the beginning of the war by the Hamas to its terrorists in Judea and Samaria to perpetrate as many attacks as they can on the model of the October the 7th meaning if they can to hurt women and to kill children this is a very strict order they got but this order was doubled by another order last night after the elimination by the IDF of two high-ranking Hamas operatives one being the commander of what they called the Jenin battalion these are high level people who were eliminated by the IDF so this we requested in Hamas mind and eyes a revenge and that's why we have this horrible horrible incident with the symbolical aspect of it that the terrorists were eliminated Hamas terrorists were eliminated by a reservist soldier of the IDF who was actually on a leave from his war against Hamas in the south meaning it shows at which point we are victims and there's targets all of us here in Israel wherever we are we are the targets of these terrorists and we have to defend ourselves and we do and one of the things that I found noteworthy is that both terrorists were people that had been released from prisons they were known to security services because they had planned attacks in the past and security services knew they were still a threat why were they released in the first place and this is the question hanging over the entire hostages for security prisoners exchange because every security prisoner being released is just another one of these two Hamas nicks in the making this is a legal problem is the jurisdiction in existence today in Israel it seems to be a jurisdiction that satisfies the security services the Shin Bet for unknown reasons to me I know that the Shin Bet for instance is also against harshening the conditions of living of a terrorist in our jails the Shin Bet is always afraid of anything that might be counterproductive that might create resentment and more violence I'm not really convinced by this we have one good example anyway of what it means and it entails to release terrorist prisoners it's called Mr. Sinwar Mr. Sinwar was released during an exchange for an Israeli soldier and look how much harm he has done since his release and that's only one person Mr. Sinwar and every single terrorist or would be terrorist that is released is poses a threat a danger some of them might not reiterate like younger persons like in the old rules but most of them will the statistics around 30% of liberated terrorists do come back to terrorist activities 30% at least I want to turn to you now Guy for a little bit further about the attack that we saw in Jerusalem obviously there's still a lot more information coming out but again this site has been the location of multiple terror attacks just in the last year ultimately is there any plan to harden targets like this in Jerusalem against this sort of attack because if we keep seeing it what's the government doing to stop it yes we've seen in the recent escalation over just a couple months ago how the Israeli police border police and even the IDF really beefed up their presence in Jerusalem I made the tensions that were back then obviously right now most of the focus is on the situation in the south and the war in Gaza but having said that the Israeli forces continue to operate every night in the West Bank arresting terror operatives and obviously there's also a sense of security for the civilians who want to see the presence of security forces on the streets if Israel wants to maintain some sort of regular life in areas that are not directly affected by the war it also needs to provide the civilians with safety and sense of safety and that is provided with the enforcement of police on the streets I think that is something that they will attend to we are hearing the identity of one of the victims of this attack this morning his name is Rabbi Ali Malik Wasserman he is unfortunately the first confirmed victim of this attack we also have two female victims one who is 24 years old here we can see his image there on the street on the screen Ali Malik Wasserman Rabbi Ali Malik he is the first identified victim we also have two women who were murdered today 24 years old and 50 years old we spoke about the soldier who bravely confronted these terrorists we know he is from the community of Afra in the West Bank I think it's just another illustration how all Israeli communities are united in this war this is not something that is targeting only certain Israeli settlements in the West Bank or just communities on the border everybody in Israel is fighting the same fight against Palestinian terror looking to murder Israeli's beat Hamas in Gaza beat Hamas and Islamic Jihad in the West Bank in Jerusalem or Hezbollah in the north it is all the same threat it is all the same goal as we as was proven on October 7th the goal of these terror groups is to slaughter Israelis they did not care whether the communities in the south were peace loving activists who were involved in driving Palestinian patients to Israeli hospitals or settlers for them it is all the same it is not about the occupation of the West Bank as we were so used to hearing for so many years the ideology of Hamas does not recognize Israel's right to exist not in 67 not in the borders of 48 and I think that is the conclusion that many in Israel sadly are having to face the fact that terror does not distinguish between Israelis be them from the West Bank from the Kibbutzes in the south or from Jerusalem in this case and we see how these soldiers who come from all walks of life from towns from villages Kibbutzes, Moshevim cities in the north and the south all have joined the reserves forces they all understand what Israel is fighting against right now absolutely and I want to really illustrate things by bringing in a first responder that witnessed the attack and the immediate aftermath of that attack and this is what they saw what happened this morning and this very difficult morning here in the entrance to Jerusalem as a car that you can see right behind me there came up to the bus stop which unfortunately is known for has known a number of terror attacks in the past stopped at the bus stop terrorists came out of the car and started shooting with automatic weapons people waiting to go to work or wherever they were going this morning killing two and injuring another eight or nine people on scene and what was the response like what how fast were emergency services able to make the scene and what were the immediate needs so the first call that came over the radio was of our volunteers of ours who live across the street literally coming running out of their houses to the sounds of the automatic gunshots running across the street immediately saying that there are a number of people injured and different levels of severity within I would say a minute and a half two minutes at max there were a number of medics EMTs paramedics on scene already treating the patients and then assisting to transport them to the hospitals for definitive care unfortunately there were those that that didn't survive we hear that there are still five people in serious to possibly critical condition what do we know about the injuries and what can we say about their prognosis so we I don't know to say at this point about their prognosis and their injuries are severe injuries from multiple gunshots to different parts of the body I can't go into too much detail but a lot of a lot of fire arm was was shot over here and we're all praying for them to survive the scene on the ground now is it considered secure is the incident considered over the incident at this point is considered over yes absolutely they're already now starting to clear away the vehicle of the terrorists from here and of course the police are doing the work once the terrorists were taken out of course police took extra measures to do an initial assessment of the area to see that there aren't additional terrorists but otherwise there wasn't any significant threat once the terrorists were shot by the by the soldier that happened to be here at the bus stop and the civilian and we're going to turn our attention to the wider war in Gaza a fragile ceasefire still holds the Hamas has violated the terms yet again a deal that was renewed just 20 minutes before expiring Hamas will return just eight hostages they abducted during the October 7th massacre and return by themselves another day to live 30 more convicted terrorists from Israel's prisons released and fuel brought into the Gaza Strip which Hamas will use some portion of to fuel its war capabilities Hamas at the last minute attempted to alter the terms of the deal offering three dead bodies alongside seven live hostages for continued ceasefire Israel originally rejected this the terms were 10 live women and children per day of ceasefire but the terrorists claim they don't have any women and children left to hand over Israeli intelligence says though Hamas has at least 15 more in their custody Israel has been given a list of 10 more names today and has accepted the terms but it includes two that Hamas released yesterday Russian Israeli citizens that were supposedly released as a gesture to Vladimir Putin a key ally of Hamas's backer Iran but now the terrorists are holding those two releases against today's count reducing it to eight all the while more stories of cruel abuse of the hostages come from the families of those released captives who were beaten with cables children forced to watch videos of the October 7th massacre atrocities at gunpoint well we have our senior defense correspondent Jonathan Regev standing by at Schneider children's medical center Jonathan what can you tell us about the latest round of hostages released and what their conditions are we can speak about those released yesterday as you mentioned there were 12 released yesterday the notion is that 10 are from the daily least and another two Israelis with Russian citizenship as a gesture to Vladimir Putin as you suggested at least what we're seeing now is that it was no gesture but we're speaking of two that add to the eight of today what will happen and how many will eventually be released today we'll have to wait to the late afternoon to find out because we know Hamas is playing a lot of psychological games regarding those who were released yesterday four teenagers arriving here at the Schneider hospital in the city of Petah Tikva just outside of Tel Aviv their condition according to the initial examination is good there was no further examination due to the reason that they arrived here very late we remember that yesterday there were many delays and eventually the they released was quite late but it did happen four of the teenagers arrived here according to a preliminary examination they're in good physical condition that is the information coming out of Schneider hospital at this moment now we know they're in stable physical condition but one of the things that doctors have been saying for days now is that there has been a great deal of mental trauma inflicted was there any statements given about the most recent round of releases and what needs they might have not yet simply because it's very early as we said it's 10 o'clock in the morning they arrived here very late two or three o'clock in the morning at a very late hour due to the delay yesterday so the assessment was just preliminary but we know even if their physical condition is good the mental condition will continue to be evaluated we know that some of the children and not only children also adults have already been released from hospitals due to the fact that their physical condition is stable and there's no need for a hospital but their mental and psychological condition will have to be monitored for months to come due to the ordeal that they passed there and more than seven weeks in Gaza sometimes under very difficult conditions thank you very much for that update on their statuses and let's all hope that they recover very quickly Jonathan we are going to return now to the studio I want to open with you Rafael because we are seeing some reports from Israeli officials saying that they believe this ceasefire is just about over at this point also Hamas's Al Qassam Brigades more or less saying the exact same thing they're preparing for renewed hostilities in the immediate future given what we're seeing with these last minute changes to the list is it more or less inevitable that the ceasefire is ending if not tonight then by tomorrow Yes, I think we are now seeing the end of phase one of the liberation of the Israeli hostages held by the Hamas we would have liked to continue getting 10 a day even though it's not easy for our troops on the ground for even a little longer it seems that the Hamas want to keep these assets if you may call them that for later for a later phase of the war we can see now that they're hesitating into what they want to give back they're holding also on children and women that is against the agreement that we had with them they're already offering courses of deceased people and they're lying through their teeth as usual so it seems that the countdown to what's the renewal of the fight has started whether it's a day or two whether we'll have the Shabbat quiet or not it's a question mark but I suppose that by Sunday we should normally be back into the fight I think that's what is happening today with the cynical attitude of the Hamas and the horrible terrorist attack in Jerusalem should make Mr. Blinken sink twice when he asked the Israelis for restraint I think that by now it becomes obvious that we are the targets we are the victims we have to defend ourselves it becomes obvious when we see the scenes of the release of terrorists in the Judea and Samaria or the scenes of people attacking Red Cross cars with hostages inside that when you speak of civilians you don't necessarily speak of innocent civilians they are civilians and they are not innocent civilians a lot of them are for the Hamas a lot of them if would they be given a amount of cocktail we'll throw it at a child or a woman without hesitation so let's be clear about it we will still of course do what we can and show the Americans that we are doing what we can to avoid collateral damage but by now it becomes very doubtful how much of the civilians are innocent when you see that for instance in the West Bank today some Poles say that almost 70% of Palestinians support Hamas and the Hamas atrocities perpetrated in the 7th of October it's a very very sad situation for the day after what kind of a peace can we expect if there is so much hatred going around in the Palestinian street and I want to highlight this just a little bit some of the hostages released were telling us about the circumstances of their captivity an UNRA teacher was actually holding one in the attic another one a doctor the father of 10 children holding another hostage abusing them and starving them and these are the civilian population of Gaza guy is the American administration even bothering to make a distinction between civilian and innocent civilian first of all we would start and say that we saw this we saw those images on October 7th we saw not just 3000 Hamas terrorists that infiltrated Israel but also many civilians in civilian clothes who joined the party joined the bloodbath joined the opportunity of slaughtering some Israelis of burning their homes and even in some cases taking an Israeli with them back home have a Jew in your attic or in your backyard this is the this was the reality for many of those Israelis who were taken kidnapped and as we hear from them as those who were lucky enough to return what conditions they were held in being deprived of food of obviously of any basic medical care of any access to the Red Cross to medical assistance many of them were also wounded or needed medical attention none of them got that the Red Cross had no access whatsoever to those Israeli hostages and that was part of the deal when we speak about the violations of Hamas that is the main one no access to the Red Cross whatsoever well we are going to continue this line of discussion our next broadcast that said we are out of time for now catch us at 11 o'clock local time that's in just about a half hour for more until then thanks for watching Israel is in a state of war families completely gunned down in their beds we have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front lines but the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well 24 news is ongoing coverage of Israel at war I'm Ariel Levin Waldman a large terror attack in Jerusalem this morning at about 7 40 in the morning in the Ramah neighborhood initial reports of at least three people dead and five more Israelis wounded in serious condition with four others still in moderate or light condition two terrorists neutralized now confirmed by a investigation to have been Hamas members Murad Namur and Ibrahim Namur brothers from East Jerusalem who had been arrested for security related offenses as well as planning terror attacks before being released this is a developing situation and we will have more updates as details come out Israel's internal security minister Itamar Ben-Gvir addressed the events of this morning and the security forces and armed civilians that put down the terrorists I will continue with this policy of delivery weapons to civilians weapons save lives we see this every time whenever the civilians have weapons or soldiers policemen they rescue save the situation this weapon can save us and this proves itself over and over again there's a discussion today at the AG regarding our policy of delivering weapons I believe that the AG officials understand the reality it is proven once and time again weapons save lives And our correspondent Pierre Kloschenler is on the phone with us now he is on his way to the scene of the terror attack Pierre what can you tell us about the current situation what are the latest details to have come out Well as you said there are three people dead a woman in her 20s a man in his 70s we don't know about the person who was killed in that shooting attack which was really a strength point range really by two terrorists that came out of their car at the bus station spread bullets with an M16 and a pistol they had field magazines and ammunition in the car which means that the terror attack was well-prepared and they were possibly on a switching ramp page but they were intercepted very quickly within a minute by two IDF reserve soldiers one of them was on his way back to the Gaza Strip as he was located on the front beforehand we had a a leave of a 12-hour leave and he was also the two terrorists were also by a civilian the toll is heavy the four people in critical condition one is moderately wounded another one is lightly wounded and others have been taken with anxiety what we know about the two terrorists who are the 38th and Ibrahim the 30th they're from the same family they live in a family in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Surabaha one of them was convicted and jailed for 10 years between 2010 and 2020 he was a terror operative he was a Hamas terror operative his team was Ibrahim was jailed for eight months in 2014 for assisting terror activities and the two were killed now there's heavy police in Surabaha which is a a neighborhood in southeast Jerusalem at the same spot exactly a year ago there was an explosive terror attack in which Jews were able to get killed and so were prisoners two weeks ago there was an attack a shooting attack in a canal between Jerusalem and the West Bank not far away from Surabaha by the way in which one soldier was killed and others were wounded the three terrorists in that attack two weeks ago were killed Hamas operatives at the time two weeks ago the attack was claimed by the Hamas Brigade Ibrahim Al-Kasam today Hamas has not claimed the responsibility yet but we know that the two brothers of the two religious were probably activated by Hamas in the past so it could also be a Hamas instigated terror attack the amazing thing in spite of the heavy toll he finished the riot after that 7.38 am in the morning within minutes it was over the toll is heavy but within 30 minutes all the wounded were hospitalized already because the rescue headquarters are minutes away from that station at the entrance of Jerusalem and that probably also saved additional life as four are still in severe condition well Pierre I think we're all hoping that the rest of the wounded do make a good recovery thank you very much for that report from your way down to that scene of the crime right now we are going to turn now to the studio for some analysis we have with us former senior intelligence officer of the IDF Rafael Urashalmi as well as our senior editor guy Azrael Rafael I want to open with you first though you have the security background of dealing with West Bank issues yourself ultimately we've seen Hamas expanding its activities over the last decade in the West Bank to the point where they are the dominant force ultimately can Israel keep suppressing them there forever or are we going to see a lot more breakouts like this one due to the advent of the war well it's an ongoing war and of late the central command of the IDF with the support of the police and the Ushin bed security services have held a good grip on the Judea and Samaria and we have actually had much less terrorist attacks perpetrated during the last months or two since the beginning of the war actually against the Hamas in the south the center has been relatively quiet every night dozens of terrorists have been either arrested or eliminated dozens of hiding places for weapons and explosives have been found so there's quite a good record really and I would say even compared to the era before this war where there were much more attacks perpetrated it seems that we're doing something right so far of course there is no hundred percent success in this particular case the terrorists are very well trained as we see they are well equipped with an m16 rifle a revolver a car this is a very well planned attack by trained terrorists and made even easier by the fact that they're coming from east Jerusalem with a yellow plate car an Israeli plate car which means they can circulate very freely inside Jerusalem so unfortunately this time there was a success on their part this is because there are two orders one order is like a permanent order since the beginning of the war by the Hamas to its terrorists in Judea and Samaria to perpetrate as many attacks as they can on the model of the October the 7th meaning if they can to hurt women and to kill children this is a very strict order they got but this order was doubled by another order last night after the elimination by the IDF of two high-ranking Hamas operatives one being the commander of what they called the Jenin battalion these are high-level people who were eliminated by the IDF so this we requested in the Hamas mind and eyes a revenge and that's why we have this horrible horrible incident with the symbolical aspect of it that the terrorists were eliminated Hamas terrorists were eliminated by a reservist soldier of the IDF who was actually on a leave from his war against Hamas in the south meaning he shows at which point we are victims and there's targets all of us here in Israel wherever we are we are the targets of these terrorists and we have to defend ourselves and we do and one of the things that I found noteworthy is that both terrorists were people that had been released from prisons they were known to security services because they had planned attacks in the past and security services knew they were still a threat why were they released in the first place and this is the question hang over the entire hostages for security prisoners exchange because every security prisoner being released is just another one of these two Hamas nicks in the making this is a legal problem is the jurisdiction in existence today in Israel it seems to be a jurisdiction that satisfies the security services the Shin Bet for unknown reasons to me I know that the Shin Bet for instance is also against harshening the conditions of living of a terrorist in our jails the Shin Bet is always afraid of anything that might be counterproductive that might create resentment and more violence I'm not really convinced by this we have one good example anyway of what it means and it entails to release terrorist prisoners it's called Mr. Sinwar Mr. Sinwar was released during an exchange for an Israeli soldier and look how much harm he has done since his release and that's only one person Mr. Sinwar and every single terrorist or would be terrorist that is released is poses a threat a danger some of them might not reiterate like younger persons like the old rules but most of them will the statistics around 30% of liberated terrorists do come back to terrorist activities 30% at least I want to turn to you now Guy for a little bit further about the attack that we saw in Jerusalem obviously there's still a lot more information coming out but again this site has been the location of multiple terror attacks just in the last year ultimately is there any plan to harden targets like this in Jerusalem against this sort of attack because if we keep seeing it what's the government doing to stop it? Yes we've seen in the recent escalation over just a couple of months ago how the Israeli police the border police and even the IDF really beefed up their presence in Jerusalem amid the tensions that were back then obviously right now most of the focus is on the situation in the south and the war in Gaza but having said that the Israeli forces continue to operate every night in the West Bank arresting terror operatives and obviously there's also a sense of security for the civilians who want to see the presence of security forces on the streets if Israel wants to maintain some sort of regular life in areas that are not directly affected by the war it also needs to provide the civilians with safety and sense of safety and that is provided with the enforcement of police on the streets I think that is something that they will attend to we are hearing the identity of one of the victims of this attack this morning his name is Rabbi Ali Malik Wasserman he is unfortunately the first confirmed victim of this attack we also have two female victims one who is 24 years old here we can see his image there on the street on the screen Ali Malik Wasserman Rabbi Ali Malik he is the first identified victim we also have two women who were murdered today 24 years old and 50 years old we spoke about the soldier who bravely confronted these terrorists we know he is from the community of Afra in the West Bank I think it's just another illustration how all Israeli communities are united in this war this is not something that is targeting only certain Israeli settlements in the West Bank or just communities on the border everybody in Israel is fighting the same fight against Palestinian terror looking to murder Israelis Be it Hamas in Gaza Be it Hamas and Islamic Jihad in the West Bank in Jerusalem or Hezbollah in the North it is all the same threat it is all the same goal as we as was proven on October 7th the goal of these terror groups is to slaughter Israelis they did not care whether the communities in the south were peace-loving activists who were involved in driving Palestinian patients to Israeli hospitals or settlers for them it is all the same this is not about the occupation of the West Bank as we were so used to hearing for so many years the ideology of Hamas does not recognize Israel's right to exist not in 67 and not in the borders of 48 and I think that is the conclusion that many in Israel sadly are having to face the fact that terror does not distinguish between Israelis be them from the West Bank from the Kibbutz in the South or from Jerusalem in this case and we see how these soldiers who come from all walks of life from towns from villages Kibbutz, Moshevim cities in the north and the south all have joined the reserves forces they all understand what Israel is fighting against right now absolutely and I want to really illustrate things by bringing in a first responder that witnessed the attack and the immediate aftermath of that attack and this is what they saw what happened this morning and this very difficult morning here in the entrance to Jerusalem is a car that you can see right behind me there came up to the bus stop which unfortunately is known for has known a number of terror attacks in the past stopped at the bus stop terrorists came out of the car and started shooting with automatic weapons that people waiting to go to work or wherever they were going this morning killing two and injuring another eight or nine people on scene and what was the response how fast were emergency services able to make the scene and what were the immediate needs so the first call that came over the radio was of our volunteers of ours who live across the street literally coming running out of their houses to the sounds of the automatic gunshots running across the street immediately saying that there are a number of people injured on different levels of severity within I would say a minute and a half two minutes at max there were a number of medics EMTs paramedics on scene already treating the patients and then assisting to transport them to the hospitals for definitive care unfortunately there were those that didn't survive we hear that there are still five people in serious to possibly critical condition what do we know about the injuries and what can we say about their prognosis so we I don't know to say at this point about their prognosis their injuries are our severe injuries from multiple gunshots to different parts of the body I can't go into too much detail but a lot of firearm was shot over here and we're all praying for them to survive the scene on the ground now is it considered secure is the incident considered over the incident at this point is considered over yes absolutely they're already now starting to clear away the vehicle of the terrorists from here and of course the police are doing the work and once the terrorists were taken out of course police took extra measures to do an initial assessment of the area to see there aren't additional terrorists but otherwise there wasn't any significant threat once the terrorists were shot by the soldier that happened to be here at the bus stop and the civilian and we're going to turn our attention to the wider war in Gaza a fragile ceasefire still holds the Hamas has violated the terms yet again a deal that was renewed just 20 minutes before expiring Hamas will return just eight hostages they abducted during the October 7th massacre and return by themselves another day to live 30 more convicted terrorists from Israel's prisons released and fuel brought into the Gaza Strip which Hamas will use some portion of to fuel its war capabilities Hamas at the last minute attempted to alter the terms of the deal offering three dead bodies alongside seven live hostages for continued ceasefire Israel originally rejected this the terms were 10 live women and children per day of ceasefire but the terrorists claim they don't have any women and children left to hand over Israeli intelligence says though Hamas has at least 15 more in their custody Israel has been given a list of 10 more names today and has accepted the terms but it includes two that Hamas released yesterday Russian Israeli citizens that were supposedly released as a gesture to Vladimir Putin a key ally of Hamas's backer Iran but now the terrorists are holding those two releases against today's count reducing it to eight all the while more stories of cruel abuse of the hostages come from the families of those released captives who were beaten with cables children forced to watch videos of the October 7th massacre atrocities at gunpoint well we have our senior defense correspondent Jonathan Regev standing by at Schneider Children's Medical Center Jonathan what can you tell us about the latest round of hostages released and what their conditions are and we can speak about those released yesterday as you mentioned there were 12 released yesterday the notion is that 10 are from the daily list and another two Israelis with Russian citizenship as a gesture to Vladimir Putin as you suggested at least what we're seeing now is that it was no gesture but we're speaking of two that add to the eight of today what will happen and how many will eventually be released today we'll have to wait to the late afternoon to find out because we know Hamas is playing a lot of psychological games regarding those who were released yesterday four teenagers arriving here at the Schneider Hospital in the city of Petah Tikva just outside of Tel Aviv their condition according to the initial examination is good there was no further examination due to the reason that they arrived here very late we remember that yesterday there were many delays and eventually the release was quite late but it did happen four of the teenagers arrived here according to a preliminary examination they're in good physical condition that is the information coming out of Schneider Hospital at this moment now we know they're in stable physical condition but one of the things that doctors have been saying for days now is that there has been a great deal of mental trauma inflicted was there any statements given about the most recent round of releases and what needs they might have not yet simply because it's very early as we said it's 10 o'clock in the morning they arrived here very late two or three o'clock in the morning at the very late hour due to the delay yesterday so the assessment was just preliminary but we know even if their physical condition is good the mental condition will continue to be evaluated we know that some of the children and not only children also adults have already been released from hospitals due to the fact that their physical condition is stable and there's no need for a hospital but their mental and psychological condition will have to be monitored for months to come due to the ordeal that they pass there and more than seven weeks in Gaza sometimes under very difficult conditions thank you very much for that update on their statuses and let's all hope that they recover very quickly Jonathan we are going to return now to the studio I want to open with you Rafael because we are seeing some reports from Israeli officials saying that they believe this ceasefire is just about over at this point also Hamas's Al-Qassam Brigades more or less saying the exact same thing they're preparing for renewed hostilities in the immediate future given what we're seeing with these last minute changes to the list is it more or less inevitable that the ceasefire is ending if not tonight then by tomorrow Yes, I think we are now seeing the end of phase one of the liberation of the Israeli hostages held by the Hamas we would have liked to continue getting 10 a day even though it's not easy for our troops on the ground for even a little longer it seems that the Hamas wants to keep these assets if you recall then that for later for a later phase of the war we can see now that they're hesitating into what they want to give back they're holding also on children and women that is against the agreement that we had with them they're already offering courses of deceased people and they're lying through their teeth as usual so it seems that the countdown to what's the renewal of the fight has started whether it's a day or two whether we'll have the Shabbats quiet or not it's a question mark but I suppose but by Sunday we should normally be back into the fight I think that's what is happening today with the cynical attitude of the Hamas and the horrible terrorist attack in Jerusalem should make Mr Blinken sink twice when he asked the Israelis for restraint I think that by now it becomes obvious that we are the targets we are the victims we have to defend ourselves it becomes obvious when we see the scenes of the release of terrorists in the Judea and Samaria or the scenes of people attacking Red Cross cars with hostages inside that when you speak of civilians you don't necessarily speak of innocent civilians they are civilians and they are not innocent civilians a lot of them are for the Hamas a lot of them if would they be given a amount of cocktail we'll throw it at a child or a woman without hesitation so let's be clear about it we will still of course do what we can and show the Americans that we are doing what we can to avoid collateral damage but by now it becomes very doubtful how much of the civilians are innocent when you see that for instance in the West Bank today some polls say that almost 70% of Palestinians support Hamas and the Hamas atrocities perpetrated on 7th of October it's a very very sad situation for the day after what kind of a peace can we expect if there is so much hatred going around in the Palestinian street and I want to highlight this just a little bit some of the hostages released were telling us about the circumstances of their captivity an UNRWA teacher was actually holding one in the attic another one a doctor the father of 10 children holding another hostage abusing them and starving them and these are the civilian population of Gaza guy is the American administration even bothering to make a distinction between civilian and innocent civilian first of all we would start and say that we saw this we saw those images on October 7th we saw not just 3000 Hamas terrorists that infiltrated Israel but also many civilians in civilian clothes who joined the party joined the bloodbath joined the opportunity of slaughtering some Israelis of burning their homes and even in some cases taking an Israeli with them back home have a Jew in your attic or in your backyard this is the this was the reality for many of those Israelis who were taken kidnapped and as we hear from them as those who are lucky enough to return what conditions they were held in being deprived food of obviously of any basic medical care of any access to the Red Cross to medical assistance many of them were also wounded or needed medical attention none of them got that the Red Cross had no access whatsoever to those Israeli hostages and that was part of the deal when we speak about the violations of Hamas that is the main one no access to the Red Cross whatsoever we are going to continue this line of discussion next broadcast that said we are out of time for now catch us at 11 o'clock local time that's in just about a half hour for more until then thanks for watching Israel is in a state of war families completely done down in their beds we have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front lines but the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well 24 news is ongoing coverage of Israel at war I'm Ariel Levin Waldman a major terror attack in Jerusalem this morning at about 7 40 a.m. in the remote neighborhood initial reports so at least three Israelis killed and five more wounded in serious condition with still four more in moderate or light condition two terrorists neutralized on scene a developing situation that we will have updates as more details come out Israel's internal security minister Itamar Ben-Gvir addressed the events of the morning and security forces and armed civilians that put down the terrorists It is a difficult morning for all of us condolences to the families speedy recovery for the wounded and a big hug to the heroes who saved lives here this event proves once again why we must not show weakness why it is only possible to talk with Hamas through rifle sights only through war in Hamas we fight this event illustrates another thing how important is the policy of delivering weapons despite the criticism I will continue with the policy of handing out weapons everywhere including to emergency units and civilians a weapon saves lives we see it time and time again wherever there are weapons citizens policemen soldiers save the situation and with us in studio as a discussion panel made up of political and international security analysts as well as Guy Azrael our senior editor here Guy I want to open with you for the latest updates on the situation in Jerusalem So the event is over two terrorists from East Jerusalem from the neighborhood of Sur Bahar these two brothers both of them have spent time in Israeli prisons for security offenses so there are no strangers to the Israeli security system this morning at around 7 40 a.m. arrived with their car at this busy junction in Jerusalem at the bus stop we can see the images there as they exited the car they opened fire at all the Israelis who were at that bus stop pretty firing at whoever they could murdering three Israelis then making their way back to the car I guess attempting to flee as two soldiers and one civilian attempted to fire at them eventually they were subdued both of them killed there by these very brave Israelis who confronted them amid live fire from these terrorists we can see their horrific images this is the reality in Jerusalem this morning this is just one of so many similar attacks we've seen both in Jerusalem but over the past year in Tel Aviv as well some very similar incidents that we've seen over the past year Palestinian terrorists infiltrating Israeli communities the war that Israel is engaged with is not limited just to Gaza not at all it is in every Israeli city and that war as we also will hear later from the sound bite of Israeli national security minister is against terror that strikes Israeli civilians no matter where they're from or where they are now you actually brought up the interior security minister I want to turn to Martin here Ben Qvair talking about efforts to ensure that there are more armed civilians to prevent these sort of terror attacks this is actually something that's run into some friction with the American government as well the Biden administration had disapproved of that policy and threatened to stop shipping rifles to Israel to stop fulfilling orders of rifles to Israel because of Ben Qvair's stance on arms failure Blinken in town today and supposed to be here through most of the weekend is this event going to possibly open the eyes of the American administration and possibly change their policy against terror and not just the war I don't think it's going to have that kind of effect Blinken's coming here with also political considerations back home the Democratic party the ruling party basically of the United States Joe Biden's party is severely split over whether to be supporting Israel or opposing Israel and the prevailing mood is obviously to support but there's a lot of criticism so that has to be factored in I think Blinken is coming here to try to lengthen the ceasefire if at all possible with whatever way possible and then Ben Qvair also is a rabble rouser and he takes advantage of the opportunity to score political points and I don't think that what he has to say is going to have much impact on Blinken You had mentioned that dichotomy in the Democratic party the progressive wing which is extremely vehemently anti-Israel and the establishment Democrats that support America's traditional foreign policy and as such require Israel as sort of a forward American base in the region but would it not be in the Biden administration's favor to ensure the war continues so it's over fast and take advantage of these short memories of the American public so by the time the election rolls around the progressive wing has something else to complain about Well, I think what he's seeing is the big political roadblock and also international roadblock of a lot of Palestinian civilians being killed Israel's going to be moving into the south all those refugees that came from the north are now in the south you're talking about all close to 2 million people in a very small area so a lot of civilians are going to get into the crossfire and the United States is shattering at the political fallout for that Yeah, because many of these security establishment people are saying that this war is going to be six months it could be as much as a year which means it's going to be running concurrent with the Democratic primaries as well as the general election as well do we see that forming enough pressure to force the American administration to attempt to curtail Israel's response No, I don't think it's going to go that far the heavy duty part the part where there's a lot of shooting and bombing is not going to be six months at the longest estimates by the Israelis it's somewhere in the six week range and that is they'll have to sweat out a lot of political fallout for that and then the short-term memory effect comes in and now I'm going to turn to our correspondent Pierre Kloschenler who is in the field standing by at the site of that terror attack in Jerusalem Pierre, can you tell us exactly what happened and what's going on at the scene now Right, what happened is that the two terrorists came with a white car here they got out of the car armed with an M16 assault rifle and a pistol and started shooting in this direction toward the bus station where people were waiting for their transportation the luck is according to one of the witness is that many people got on a bus just instance before the shooting attack now at the same moment as you see that municipal workers are already trying to fix what happened here and the blood has already been washed and you see that window which needs some repair because it was broken with the bullets now just within seconds an orange car came here parked around here and a reserve soldier came out in full uniform with his weapon also an M16 he had a 12-hour leave and he was returning to the Gaza front now he shot the two terrorists and was lightly wounded in the hand the two terrorists were killed and within seconds the incident was over but the death toll is heavy three dead four critically severely wounded sorry one moderately wounded and one lightly wounded the reserve soldier in the hand now within three hours look at what's happening they're already fixing the bus stop the bus stop is functioning people are waiting for the buses the floor has been completely washed the rescue services of the Maghen David Adam we're here within minutes because the headquarters of the Maghen David Adam are just minutes away by car and as a result barely half an hour after the shooting attack all the people were in two hospitals now the two terrorists are from the Nimmer family from an East Jerusalem neighborhood called Sur Bahair one is 38 and he was already jailed in Israel for terrorist events on behalf of Hamas between 2010 and 2020 for 10 years he's keen we don't know if it's his brother or his relative he's 30 years old he was incarcerated for eight months in 2014 for assisting terrorists and both of them are dead now police forces are in Sur Bahair in order to continue the investigation and probably also take measurements for the house that might be destroyed if the family is appealed to the Supreme Court is not accepted by the Supreme Court Ariel well thank you very much Pierre from the update from the scene and to remind our viewers exactly how that went down we did speak to emergency first responders who were on scene exactly after it happened here's what he had to say what happened this morning and this very difficult morning here in the entrance to Jerusalem as a car that you can see right behind me there they came up to the bus stop which unfortunately is known has known a number of terror attacks in the past stopped at the bus stop terrorists came out of the car and started shooting with automatic weapons that people waiting to go to work or wherever they were going this morning killing two and injuring another eight or nine people on scene and what was the response like how fast were emergency services able to make the scene and what were the immediate needs so the first call that came over the radio was of our volunteers of ours who live across the street literally coming running out of their houses to the sounds of the automatic gunshots running across the street immediately saying that there are a number of people injured and different levels of severity within I would say a minute and a half two minutes at max there were a number of of the medics EMTs paramedics on scene already treating the patients and then assisting to transport them to the hospitals for definitive care unfortunately there were those that didn't survive we hear that there are still five people in serious to possibly critical condition what do we know about the injuries and what can we say about their prognosis so we I don't know to say at this point about their prognosis and their injuries are our severe injuries from multiple gunshots to different parts of the body I can't go into too much detail but a lot of a lot of firearm was a shot over here and we're all praying for them to survive the scene on the ground now is it considered secure is the incident considered over the incident at this point is is considered over yes absolutely they're already now starting to clear away the vehicle of the terrorists from here and of course the police are doing the work and once the terrorists were taken out of course police took extra measures to do an initial assessment of the area to see that there aren't that there aren't additional terrorists but otherwise there wasn't any significant threat once the terrorists were shot by the soldier that happened to be here at the bus stop and the civilian I'm going to turn back to the studio with Guy Azrael because we have the names of the victims confirmed now what can you tell us unfortunately the names have been revealed to the victims in today's in this morning's terror attack our Elie Melech Wasserman is a Rabbi 73 years old we're also speaking about Mrs. Hannah Ivergan 67 years old from Bechemish and the third victim is 24 years old Libya Dickman from Jerusalem 3 innocent civilians were sitting at a bus stop in Jerusalem on the way to work to school their daily life their lives have ended this morning tragically at the hands of these two Palestinian terrorists sickened Israeli blood another terror attack with innocent civilians with families that are devastated that are destroyed as we saw on October 7th this is the same ideology of Hamas same one that we're seeing in Jerusalem the same one that we've been seeing on the streets of Israel and the West Bank for so many years it's a painful reminder that the enemy isn't just located in Gaza we are though going to turn our attention to the front there because that is where the war is happening though at the moment a fragile ceasefire still holding Hamas has violated the terms of that ceasefire yet again the deal was renewed just before it was set to expire this morning Hamas will return just eight hostages that they abducted during the October 7th massacre in return they buy themselves another day to live 30 more convicted terrorists released from Israeli prisons and fuel into the Gaza Strip which Hamas will use some portion of to fuel its war capabilities Hamas at the last moment attempted to alter the terms of the deal offering three dead bodies alongside seven live hostages for continued ceasefire Israel originally rejected this the terms were 10 live women and children per day of ceasefire but the terrorists are claiming they don't have any women and children left Israeli intelligence says otherwise saying that Hamas has at least 15 more to give Israel was given a list of 10 more names today and accepted the terms Hamas released two Russian Israeli citizens last night as a gesture to Vladimir Putin who's a key ally of Hamas's backer and it was originally thought that these two were a separate event now the terrorists are holding these two releases against today's count which is the reason it has been reduced to eight all throughout this there have been more stories of cruel abuses of the hostages coming to light coming from families of those released or sometimes from the release to themselves talking of captive beaten with cables children that were forced to watch videos of the October 7th mass atrocities at gunpoint well for the status of the hostages that have been released we turn now to our senior defense correspondent Jonathan Regev who is standing by at the Schneider Children's Medical Center Jonathan what can you tell us about the hostages four of them are really arrived here at the Schneider hospital they arrived very late at night because we remember the release was delayed by a few hours last night eventually it happened and four of them got here the the initial report we're hearing the preliminary checks that were made show that they're in a good physical condition all four that arrived here those are good knows of course so four four new patients here that arrived last night in physically in a good condition and that's physically speaking but we know those aren't the only challenges ahead what are the medical professionals saying about the mental challenges for the hostages quite a lot of them we have to say we know that a few of the hostages arrived here at Schneider and also in other hospitals have already already been released simply because there's not a lot for them to do and in a hospital as they're in a stable physical condition their psychological mental condition that's another issue and they'll have to be treated for months and months to come understanding that the ordeals they went through in more than seven weeks in Gaza were harsh and they have an effect psychological effect a mental effect that is something that will have to be checked at least on the physical level all those that arrived here are in good condition as far as a psychological treatment that will continue for those here and those already released the doctors they're giving you an idea of what the initial assessment looks like for the hostages once they're released because many of them seem to be released in a very short amount of time what sort of needs are there in place and what sort of system do they go through to actually check them it's exactly those that you mentioned the psychological needs if they're released quickly it's simply because their physical condition is good and there's nothing to do in a hospital you don't need to be in a hospital in order to receive psychological assistance for that you can do that back at the community and of course the community we have to understand is not always their home most of those released came from these communities such as Niroz, Berik, Farazah and all those communities are currently dislocated they're in hotels and that's where they return but obviously they feel much better and much more comfortable doing that along the people that they know along with their community and not in a hospital I think everyone's praying that those people back with their families those families that are still partially intact at least are making a swift recovery and returning to some sense of normalcy thank you very much Jonathan for that update from the hostages and from the hospital itself we are going to turn back to our discussion panel in studio with Martin Hemmel and Guy Azrael Martin I want to start with you Hamas has effectively bought themselves an additional week to live during this ceasefire they've gotten a great deal of supplies and they have gotten the ability to muster international attention and a push to extend the ceasefire the question is now that things look like the war might be coming back into play very soon where is that international pressure going to fall I think a certain amount of it will fall towards Israel but I don't think is enough to change Israeli policy because the United States still will back Israel it will escalate somewhat with the inevitable casualty count among civilians especially when they head towards Han Yunis and places like that I mean they're obviously going to go in that direction because that's where the core of Hamas is right now so I think that the war effort will continue as far as the government decides there will be pressure but I don't think it'd be enough to stop it and on the topic of the American response we do have a sound bite from Anthony Blinken who is currently in Israel to oversee the response let's take a lesson from day one we have been focused relentlessly on trying to secure the release of hostages from Gaza and from Hamas and we have seen over the last week the very positive development of hostages coming home being reunited with their families and that should continue today it's also enabled an increase in humanitarian assistance to go to innocent civilians in Gaza who need it desperately so this process is producing results it's important and we hope that it can continue and I'm going to turn back to Maher and is there ultimately a dichotomy for the American interest here because the Americans have many American citizens that were also taken hostage in that attack a disproportionate amount compared to many other nations around the world but it's also in America's interest to see Hamas fall many people say these are not goals that go against each other but for the Americans who are thinking in the most immediate sense these goals are very much against each other it seems they are basically they want a situation where Israel only shoots Hamas operatives and civilians magically stay safe everywhere which is not the case in any war not alone this war but I think they're just going to try to minimize the damage they can try to put pressure look if you're going to go in there take extra special care on the civilians there's a lot of them there you can't avoid them now it's going to be that very complicated situation I think they will create a political cushion for the United States in that sense by saying see we told the Israelis and Israel will be the bad cop and do whatever it has to do but they're not going to stop them nor will the Egyptians and I don't think the Saudi Arabians do because somewhere in the back of their minds they want Israel to succeed because they hated us just as much as Israel does I mean that's an interesting point that you notice because if we look at some of the military's figures from the war they said that they've got about 6,000 terrorists since the war began that they've killed out of about 12,000-ish total casualties in Gaza which is a ratio almost one to one compared that to NATO average for urban fighting of one to three or the UN's average in wars in recent history which is one to nine you would think a one to one ratio would have bought Israel a lot more good will than it really has Israel's held at a completely different standard whether it's just because of simply for Palestinians or straight anti-Semitism or a combination of both which I think it's a combination of both and so it has to deal with that reality I mean France right now is leaning more towards a ceasefire that's a big win for Hamas if it goes that way but that's still not enough to stop Israel so despite the fact that the United States killed over 150,000 civilians in its war in Iraq and killed many thousands in Afghanistan this was just placed by different rules it's trying to fight a war with not just one hand tied behind us back but almost to it seems like sometimes but the United States how does it plan to actually accomplish these goals of A the defeat of Hamas and B keeping Israel from inflicting a great deal of damage on Gaza in the process you mentioned that it might just be a matter of words but it seems to not just be words well I think it's primarily a matter of words no one is fooling themselves that it's going to be a very difficult and damaging process and a costly process but the United States has to say look we tried for its electorate it has no illusions that is what's going to do what it has to do but I think there's looking to Israel is look do it quickly finish with it and try to avoid killing many civilians as you can and Guy I want to turn back to you because it's not just Israel there's also the rest of the region watching and yes the Americans have their perspective but Israel is really hoping that regional partners such as the Saudis or the Emirates might be able to have some hand in the governance or at least the maintenance of Gaza after the war what would their position be once the war once again heats up and you start seeing those casualty counts go up again It's complicated Blinken yesterday in a press conference in Europe says we're not just talking about the day after the war but the day after the day after the war meaning not just the immediate solution as to who rules the Gaza Strip at the end of the war but looking more long term into the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians and obviously even within Israel there isn't a consensus about who should be ruling Gaza so even more so when you speak about the region because each of the parties here have different have different opinions Egypt with its support for the Palestinians does not want to take in any refugees from Gaza we don't see any inclination to do so from other partners in the region as well Jordan has its sensitivity with the Palestinians obviously a country with 70% population of Palestinians for the most part Israel expected the comments coming from most of its apparent partners here speaking about Egypt and Jordan but also from Saudi Arabia and the Emirates the rhetoric is clear the civilian casualties in Gaza is something that those countries were not able to avoid also in their public statements behind closed doors they obviously understand very well what Israel is doing and how serious is the threat of Hamas and as we speak about other threats in the region while the IDF just releasing a statement about those alerts that we heard in the north saying that a short while ago following the sirens that sounded in the north the IDF aerial defense era is successfully intercepted a suspicious aerial target that crossed from Lebanon into Israeli territory another emphasis of the threat that is existing we can see that image in on our screen right now it's an image of the interception of that aerial threat that emanated out of Lebanon most likely Hezbollah aerial vehicle of some sort that crossed into Israel we saw that drones UAVs have been in use both by Hezbollah both from Hamas both from the Khoutis in Yemen and from other entities even from Syria Israel's defense area in this case managing to intercept that's right underscores the point that despite a week of relative calm and ceasefire this is far from over and there's still a great deal of work to do I thank both of you Guy as well as you Martin for all that breakdown for everyone else though we're out of time but we'll see you again at the next hour Israel is in a state of war families completely done down in their beds we have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front line but the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well and armed civilians that put down the terrorists it is a difficult morning for all of us condolences to the families speedy recovery for the wounded and a big hug to the heroes who saved lives here this event proves once again why we must not show weakness why it is only possible to talk with Hamas through rifle sights only through war in Hamas we fight this event illustrates another thing how important is the policy of delivering weapons despite the criticism I will continue with the policy of handing out weapons everywhere including to emergency units and civilians a weapon saves lives we see it time and time again wherever there are weapons citizens policemen soldiers save the situation and with us in studio is a discussion panel made up of political and international security analysts as well as Guy Azrael our senior editor here Guy I want to open with you for the latest updates on the situation in Jerusalem so the event is over two terrorists from East Jerusalem from the neighborhood of Sur Bahar these two brothers both of them have spent time in Israeli prisons for security offenses so there are no strangers to the Israeli security system this morning at around 7 40 a.m. arrived with their car at this busy junction in Jerusalem at the bus stop we can see the images there as they exited the car they opened fire at all the Israelis who were at that bus stop pretty firing at whoever they could smurdering three Israelis then making the way back to the car I guess attempting to flee as two soldiers and one civilian attempted to fire at them eventually they were subdued both of them killed there by these very brave Israelis who confronted them amid live fire from these terrorists we can see there what's horrific images this is the reality in Jerusalem this morning this is just one of so many similar attacks we've seen both in Jerusalem but over the past year in Tel Aviv as well some very similar incidents that we've seen over the past year Palestinian terrorists infiltrating Israeli communities the war that Israel is engaged with is not limited just to Gaza not at all it is in every Israeli city and that war as we also will hear later from the sound bite of Israeli National Security Minister is against terror that strikes Israeli civilians no matter where they're from or where they are he actually brought up the Interior Security Minister I want to turn to Martin here Ben Gvir talking about efforts to ensure that there are more armed civilians to prevent these sort of terror attacks this is actually something that's run into some friction with the American government as well the Biden administration had disapproved of that policy and threatened to stop shipping rifles to Israel to stop fulfilling orders of rifles to Israel because of Ben Gvir's stance on arms failure Blinken in town today and supposed to be here through most of the weekend is this event going to possibly open the eyes of the American administration and possibly change their policy against terror and not just the war I don't think it's going to have that kind of effect Blinken's coming here with also political considerations back home the Democratic Party the ruling party basically of the United States Joe Biden's party is severely split over whether to be supporting Israel or opposing Israel and the prevailing mood is obviously to support but there's a lot of criticism so that has to be factored in I think Blinken is coming here to try to lengthen the ceasefire if at all possible with whatever way possible and then you know Ben Gvir also is a rabble rouser and he takes advantage of the opportunity to score political points and I don't think that what he has to say is going to have much impact on Blinken you had mentioned that dichotomy in the Democratic Party the progressive wing which is extremely vehemently anti-Israel and the establishment Democrats that support America's traditional foreign policy and as such require Israel as sort of a forward American base in the region but would it not be in the Biden administration's favor to ensure the war continues so it's over fast and take advantage of the short memories of the American public so by the time the election rolls around the progressive wing has something else to complain about well I think what he's seeing is the big the big political roadblock and also international roadblock of a lot of Palestinian civilians being killed Israel is going to be moving into the south all those refugees that came from the north are now in the south you're talking about all close to 2 million people in a very small area so a lot of civilians are going to get into the crossfire and the United States is shattering at the political fallout for that yeah because many of the security establishment people are saying that this war is going to be six months it could be as much as a year which means it's going to be running concurrent with the democratic primaries as well as the democratic the general election as well do we see that forming enough pressure to force the American administration to attempt to curtail Israel's response no I don't think it's going to go that far the heavy duty part the part where there's a lot of shooting and bombing is not going to be six months at the longest estimates by the Israelis it's somewhere in the six week range and that is they'll have to sweat out a lot of political fallout for that and then the short-term memory effect comes in and now I'm going to turn to our correspondent Pierre Kloschenleur who is in the field standing by at the site of that terror attack in Jerusalem Pierre can you tell us exactly what happened and what's going on at the scene now right what happened is that the two terrorists came with a white car here they got out of the car armed with an M16 assault rifle and a pistol and started shooting in this direction toward the bus station where people were waiting for their transportation the luck is according to one of the witness is that many people got on a bus just instance before the shooting attack now at the same moment as you see that municipal workers are already trying to fix what happened here and the blood has already been washed and you see that window which needs some repair because it was broken with the bullets now just within seconds an orange car came here parked around here and a reserve soldier came out in full uniform with his weapon also an M16 he had a 12 hour leave and he was returning to the Gaza front now he shot the two terrorists and was lightly wounded in the hand the two terrorists were killed and within seconds the incident was over but the death toll is heavy three dead four critically moderately severely wounded sorry one moderately wounded and one lightly wounded the reserve soldier in the hand now within three hours look at what's happening they're already fixing the bus stop the bus stop is functioning people are waiting for the buses the the floor has been completely washed the rescue services of the Maghen David Adam we're here within minutes because the headquarters of the Maghen David Adam are just minutes away by car and as a result barely half an hour after the shooting attack all the people were in two hospitals now the two terrorists are from the Nimmer family from an East Jerusalem neighborhood called Sur Bahair one is 38 and he was already jailed in Israel for terrorist offence on behalf of Hamas between 2010 and 2020 for 10 years he's keen we don't know if it's his brother or his relative he's 30 years old he was incarcerated for eight months in 2014 for assisting terrorists and both of them are dead now police forces are in Sur Bahair in order to continue the investigation and probably also take measurements for the house that might be destroyed if the families appeal to the Supreme Court is not accepted by the Supreme Court Ariel well thank you very much Pierre from the update from the scene and to remind our viewers exactly how that went down we did speak to emergency first responders who are on scene exactly after it happened here's what he had to say what happened this morning and this very difficult morning here in the entrance to Jerusalem is a car that you can see right behind me there they came up to the bus stop which unfortunately is known has known a number of terror attacks in the past stopped at the bus stop terrorists came out of the car and started shooting with automatic weapons that people waiting to go to work or wherever they were going this morning killing two and injuring another eight or nine people on scene and what was the response like how fast were emergency services able to make the scene and what were the immediate needs so the first call that came over the radio was of our volunteers of ours who live across the street literally coming running out of their houses to the sounds of the automatic gunshots running across the street immediately saying that there are a number of people injured and different levels of severity within I would say a minute and a half two minutes at max there were a number of medics EMTs paramedics on scene already treating the patients and then assisting to transport them to the hospitals for definitive care unfortunately there were those that didn't survive we hear that there are still five people in serious to possibly critical condition what do we know about the injuries and what can we say about their prognosis so we I don't know to say at this point about their prognosis and their injuries are our severe injuries from multiple gunshots to different parts of the body I can't go into too much detail but a lot of a lot of firearm was a shot over here and we're all praying for them to survive the scene on the ground now is it considered secure is the incident considered over the incident at this point is considered over yes absolutely they're already now starting to clear away the vehicle of the terrorists from here and of course the police are doing the work and once the terrorists were taken out of course police took extra measures to do an initial assessment of the area to see that there aren't that there aren't additional terrorists but otherwise there wasn't any significant threat once the terrorists were shot by the by a soldier that happened to be here at the bus stop and the civilian I'm going to turn back to the studio with Guy Azrael because we have the names of the victims confirmed now what can you tell us unfortunately the names have been revealed the victims in today's in this morning's terror attack our Elie Melech Wasserman is a Rabbi 73 years old we're also speaking about mrs. Hanna Ifrigan 67 years old from Bechemish and the third victim is 24 years old Libya Dickman from Jerusalem 3 innocent civilians who are sitting at a bus stop in Jerusalem on the way to work to school their daily life their lives have ended this morning tragically at the hands of these two Palestinian terrorists seeking Israeli blood another terror attack with innocent civilians with families that are devastated that are destroyed as we saw on October 7th this is the same ideology of Hamas same one that we're seeing in Jerusalem the same one that we've been seeing on the streets of Israel and the West Bank for so many years it's a painful reminder that the enemy isn't just located in Gaza we are though going to turn our attention to the front there because that is where the war is happening though at the moment a fragile ceasefire still holding Hamas has violated the terms of that ceasefire yet again the deal was renewed just before it was set to expire this morning Hamas will return just eight hostages that they abducted during the October 7th massacre in return they buy themselves another day to live 30 more convicted terrorists released from Israeli prisons and fuel into the Gaza Strip which Hamas will use some portion of to fuel its war capabilities Hamas at the last moment attempted to alter the terms of the deal offering three dead bodies alongside seven live hostages for continued ceasefire Israel originally rejected this the terms were 10 live women and children per day of ceasefire but the terrorists are claiming they don't have any women and children left Israeli intelligence says otherwise saying that Hamas has at least 15 more to give Israel was given a list of 10 more names today and accepted the terms Hamas released two Russian Israeli citizens last night as a gesture to Vladimir Putin who was a key ally of Hamas's backer and it was originally thought that these two were a separate event now the terrorists are holding these two releases against today's count which is the reason has been reduced to eight all throughout this there have been more stories of cruel abuses of the hostages coming to light coming to the families of those released or sometimes from the release to themselves talking of captive beaten with cables children that were forced to watch videos of the October 7th massacre atrocities at gunpoint well for the status of the hostages that have been released we turn now to our senior defense correspondent Jonathan Regev who is standing by at the Schneider Children's Medical Center Jonathan what can you tell us about the hostages four of them are really arrived here at the Schneider Hospital they arrived very late at night because we remember the release was delayed by a few hours last night eventually it happened and four of them got here the the initial report we're hearing the preliminary checks that were made show that they're in a good physical condition all four that arrived here those are good knows of course four new patients here that arrived last night and physically in a good condition and that's physically speaking but we know those aren't the only challenges ahead what are the medical professionals saying about the mental challenges for the hostages quite a lot of them we have to say we know that a few of the hostages that arrived here at Schneider and also in other hospitals have already already been released simply because there's not a lot for them to do and in a hospital as they're in a stable physical condition their psychological mental condition that's another issue and they'll have to be treated for months and months to come understanding that the ordeals they went through in more than seven weeks in Gaza were harsh and they have an effect psychological effect a mental effect that is something that will have to be checked at least on the physical level all those that arrived here are in good condition as far as the psychological treatment that will continue for those here and those already released have the doctors there given you an idea of what the initial assessment looks like for the hostages once they're released because many of them seem to be released in a very short amount of time what sort of needs are there in place and what sort of system do they go through to actually check them it's exactly those that you mentioned the psychological needs if they're released quickly it's simply because their physical condition is good and there's nothing to do in a hospital you don't need to be in a hospital in order to receive psychological assistance for that you can do that back at the community and of course the community we have to understand is not always their home most of those released came from the these communities such as Neroz, Beirik, Fa'aza and all those communities are currently dislocated they're in hotels and that's where they return but obviously they feel much better and much more comfortable doing that along the people that they know along with their community in order to hospital I think everyone's praying that those people back with their families those families that are still partially intact at least are making a swift recovery and returning to some sense of normalcy thank you very much Jonathan for that update from the hostages and from the hospital itself we are going to turn back to our discussion panel in studio with Martin Himmel and Guy Azrael Martin I want to start with you Hamas has effectively bought themselves an additional week to live during this ceasefire they've gotten a great deal of supplies and they have gotten the ability to muster international attention and a push to extend the ceasefire the question is now that things look like the war might be coming back into play very soon where is that international pressure going to fall I think a certain amount of it will fall towards Israel but I don't think it is enough to change Israeli policy because the United States still will back Israel it will escalate somewhat with the inevitable casualty count among civilians especially when they head towards Hanyunas and places like that I mean they're obviously going to go in that direction because that's where the core of Hamas is right now so I think that the war effort will continue as far as as far as the government decides there will be pressure but I don't think it'll be enough to stop it and on the topic of the American response we do have a sound bite from Anthony Blinken who is currently in Israel to oversee the response let's take a listen from day one we have been focused relentlessly on trying to secure the release of hostages from from Gaza and from Hamas and we have seen over the last week the very positive development of hostages coming home being reunited with their families and that should continue today it's also enabled it's going to be an increase in humanitarian assistance to go to innocent civilians in Gaza who need it desperately so this process is producing results it's important and we hope that it can continue and I'm going to turn back to Mara and is there ultimately a dichotomy for the American interests here because the Americans have many American citizens that were also taken hostage in that attack a disproportionate amount compared to many other nations around the world but it's also in America's interest to see Hamas fall many people say these are not goals that go against each other but for the Americans who are thinking the most immediate sense these goals are very much against each other it seems they are basically they want a situation where Israel only shoots Hamas operatives and civilians magically stay safe everywhere which is not the case in any war not alone this war but I think they're just going to try to minimize the damage they can try to put pressure look if you're going to go in there take extra special care on the civilians there's a lot of them there you can't avoid them now it's going to be a very complicated situation I think they will create a political cushion for the United States in that sense by saying see we told the Israelis and Israel will be the bad cop and do whatever it has to do but they're not going to stop them nor will the Egyptians and I don't think the Saudi Arabians too because they hated us just as much as Israel does I mean that's an interesting point that you notice because if we look at some of the military's figures from the war they said they've got about 6,000 terrorists since the war began that they've killed out of about 12,000 ish total casualties in Gaza which is a ratio almost one to one compare that to NATO average for urban fighting of one to three or the UN's average in wars in recent history which is one to nine you would think a one to one ratio would have bought Israel a lot more good will than it really has Israel's held at a completely different standard whether it's just because of simply for Palestinians or straight anti-Semitism or a combination of both which I think it's a combination of both and so it has to deal with that reality I mean France right now is leaning more towards a ceasefire that's a big win for Hamas if it goes that way but that's still not enough to stop Israel so despite the fact that the United States killed over 150,000 civilians in its war in Iraq and killed many thousands in Afghanistan is well just placed by different rules It's trying to fight a war with not just one hand tied behind us back but almost two it seems like sometimes but the United States how does it plan to actually accomplish these goals of A. The defeat of Hamas and B. Keeping Israel from inflicting a great deal of damage on Gaza in the process you mentioned that it might just be a matter of words but it seems not just be words well I think it's primarily a matter of words no one is fooling themselves that it's going to be a very difficult and damaging process and a costly process but the United States has to say look we tried for its electorate it has no illusions that is what's going to do what it has to do but I think there's looking to Israel is look do it quickly finish with it and try to avoid killing many civilians as you can and Guy I want to turn back to you because it's not just Israel there's also the rest of the region watching and yes the Americans have their perspective but Israel is really hoping that regional partners such as the Saudis or the Emirates might be able to have some hand in the governance or at least the maintenance of Gaza after the war what would their position be once the war once again heats up and you start seeing those casualty counts go up again it's complicated Blinken yesterday in a press conference in Europe says we're not just talking about the day after the war but the day after the day after the war meaning not just the immediate solution is to who rules the Gaza Strip at the end of the war but looking more long term into the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians and obviously even within Israel there isn't a consensus about who should be ruling Gaza so even more so when you speak about the region because each of the parties here have different have different opinions Egypt with its support for the Palestinians does not want to take in any refugees from Gaza we don't see any inclination to do so from other partners in the region as well Jordan has its sensitivity with the Palestinians obviously a country with 70% population of Palestinians for the most part Israel expected the comments coming from most of its apparent partners here speaking about Egypt and Jordan but also from Saudi Arabia and the Emirates the rhetoric is clear the civilian casualties in Gaza is something that those countries were not able to avoid also in their public statements behind closed doors they obviously understand very well what Israel is doing and how serious is the threat of Hamas and as we speak about other threats in the region well the IDF just releasing a statement about those alerts that we heard in the north saying that a short while ago following the sirens that sounded in the north the IDF aerial defense era is successfully intercepted as suspicious aerial target that crossed from Lebanon into Israeli territory another emphasis of the threat that is existing we can see that image in on our screen right now it's an image of the interception of that aerial threat that emanated out of Lebanon most likely Hezbollah aerial vehicle of some sort that crossed into Israel we saw that drones UAVs have been in use both by Hezbollah both from Hamas both from the Khoutis in Yemen and from other entities even from Syria Israel's defense area in this case managing to intercept that threat underscores the point that despite a week of relative calm and ceasefire this is far from over and there's still a great deal of work to do I think both of you Guy as well as you Martin for all that breakdown for everyone else though we're out of time but we'll see you again at the next hour Israel is in a state of war families completely done down in their beds we have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front lines but the general perception is something that certainly needs to be fought as well April news is ongoing coverage of Israel at war I'm Ariel Levin Waldman a major terror attack in Jerusalem this morning at about 740 a.m. in the remote neighborhoods three people killed when two terrorists burst out of a car with automatic weapons wounding five more Israelis in serious condition and four others still in moderate and light condition both terrorists were neutralized on the scene by nearby soldiers as well as by an armed civilian Israel's internal security minister Itamar Ben-Vir addressed the events of this morning and the security forces and civilians that put down the terrorists it is a difficult morning for all of us condolences to the families speedy recovery for the wounded and a big hug to the heroes who saved lives here this event proves once again why we must not show weakness why it is only possible to talk with Hamas through rifle sights only through war in Hamas we fight this event illustrates another thing how important is the policy of delivering weapons despite the criticism I will continue with the policy of handing out weapons everywhere including to emergency units and civilians a weapon saves lives we see it time and time again wherever there are weapons citizens policemen soldiers save the situation and we have our correspondent Pierre Kloschenler standing by in Jerusalem at the scene of that attack Pierre walk us through exactly what happened well I'm gonna ask you to play the interview which we did with Yosef Chaimochaian he is an eyewitness of the terror attack and then I'll explain let's hear him first I passed by here every morning at this exact bus stop I stood here like every day I saw the car stopping by the station it seemed suspicious from the start the driver got out of the vehicle and pulled out a weapon I realized immediately that this is a terror attack miraculously moments before the shooting a large crowd that was in the bus stop went into a bus that drove away so many lives were saved today I regret not doing military service I'm still in shock I'm still shaking I'm tired and I just want to get back home right now the car of the terrorist was just here it was a white car they came out of the car and started shooting in this direction at the bus stop as you heard moments before many people that came out of the bus now you see there are ultra-alpha orthodox cool girls that are now decorating the site of the murder in which three Israelis were killed ultra-orthodox and they're putting Israeli flags as well as some inscription and it says don't be afraid don't be afraid that's what it says now you have here the whole scene of the shooting it happened very quickly within seconds two reserve soldiers who were on their way back to the Gaza front they've had a leave of 12 hours only and they were on their way back they stopped they were here they shot at the two terrorists and killed them they had M-16 assault rifle and a pistol the two reservists had M-16 assault and here and it seems that we have lost yeah we seem to have lost our connection with Pierre hold on I think we're about to re-establish that do you see me yes we are reconnected do you hear me yes okay the rampage affected people that were on that tree just here and a few moments ago a Zaka rescue worker tried to scrap pieces of flesh and blood that were stuck on the tree now this is because in Judaism you must not leave any piece of human flesh and blood on a scene of violence you have to purify the scene now the evacuation of the wounded there are four severely wounded one moderately and one lightly we're hospitalized between within half an hour because the rescue uh service headquarters are just minutes away by car from here they were evacuated to two hospitals the funeral is going to take place very quickly between one and two this afternoon of the three victims and uh you can see now the bus stop is bustling with life and people are still waiting for the buses and you can see the bus just here and the highway is open and the floor has been cleansed from the blood of the victim all that happened within a couple of hours after the terror attack well thank you very much for that view from the scene Pierre we will be of course coming back to you over the course of the day with updates on that site now for more though we are going to return to our studio where we have a discussion panel that consists of Colonel Olivier Raffowitz IDF spokesperson for international media as well as our senior editor Guy Azriel I'm going to open with you Guy because there's more information still on the attack what do we know of the perpetrators right so we do know the two perpetrators are of the same family both of them members or residents of the tour Bahr neighborhood in east Jerusalem both of them holding blue Israeli IDs meaning that they really have free access to go anywhere they want in Israel there is no limitation they don't have to go through checkpoints etc from east Jerusalem into where they executed this attack as we could see they drove this car into that bus stop where they were able to get out open fire with an automatic weapon and handgun very luckily and I think this is the main point here the very quick reaction of the soldiers that were there and as an Israeli civilian really saved a lot of lives very sadly we have three victims here but the results could have been a lot more catastrophic unless these brave men confronted those terrorists really risking their lives instead of running away they have saved the lives of so many really again also emphasizing what we heard from national security minister Itamar Ben-Vir the fact that they were there and that they were armed this saves lives and when we see the time and time again in Jerusalem in particular where you do have more presence of security personnel and that are able to stop these attacks and one more thing as we saw from Pierre there life is so quickly back to normal in Jerusalem sadly this city is so familiar with these terror attacks but life goes on and this is I think the message from Israel to these terrorists you do not stop life in Jerusalem the life continues Jerusalem is a city that has seen so many terror attacks over the past decades I myself as a journalist who's been there so many times a city that has seen so much suffering from the days of the Second Intifada the major bombings in restaurants shooting attacks etc etc at the end of the day life goes on and this is the victory of Israel over terror life prevails I want to take a quick security assessment here with Olivier because we've seen so many attacks in the last year or so coming out of East Jerusalem it's always considered a hot spot extremely radicalized area and so many of them do have as Guy mentioned that blue Israeli citizenship ID is there any practical way to reduce the freedom of movement for terrorists there to prevent attacks like this Like you have just heard by a guy I mean they're Israeli in Jerusalem for me it's Jerusalem but they have ID cards so they are like residents of Jerusalem but there is for now a long time a penetration of Islamism Islamic groups more particularly Hamas and Islamic jihad in these villages in these areas in these neighborhood on what we are now facing it actually the I would say the expansion of Hamas influence not only in Gaza but also outside and this attack is actually Hamas oriented Hamas linked and it's approved that we are facing Hamas threat all over and we cannot actually we cannot prevent and stop freedom of movement because it will be counterproductive Now we know that Hamas has been trying their hardest to open another front in the West Bank to take pressure off of Gaza the same way they've been pushing his Bola to open another front in earnest to take pressure off of Gaza as well is it possible to stop the West Bank from flaring up the way we're seeing The answer is yes that way for now almost two months more particularly the Shin Bet and the IDF are carrying out every day but mostly every night a series of arrest operations sometimes very difficult very sensitive mostly in the air Brunner air and also in Jenin and Nablus in the northern part of Samaria I think we are now talking about almost 2,000 people who have been arrested connected to Hamas there are most of them preventive arrest operation but it is the only way to stop or to prevent further attacks all around And that's certainly a way of stopping Hamas operatives or people linked with Hamas operatives but if we look at some of the polling that we've seen coming out of the West Bank 89% of West Bank Palestinians supports the Hamas armed wing 84% of West Bank Palestinians support the massacres of October 7th when you're facing that sort of situation is it even enough to stop Hamas linked operatives or there are so many threats of lone wolves there that how do you deal with it? I will tell you something we don't deal with surveys always I don't know numbers we deal with facts and for the time being we cannot change the mind of people it's not the Israeli intention of course but we can actually prevent people to act against Israel that's what we are doing and in this matter I believe that the Israeli army and mostly the Sinbad together are doing a great incredible job And before we continue I want some of our viewers to get a more on the ground look at the attack of this morning earlier we did speak to a first responder and here was the immediate aftermath that he witnessed What happened this morning in this very difficult morning here in the entrance to Jerusalem is a car that you can see right behind me there came up to the bus stop which unfortunately is known for it has known a number of their attacks in the past stopped at the bus stop terrorists came out of the car and started shooting with automatic weapons that people waiting to go to work or wherever they were going this morning killing two and injuring another eight or nine people on scene And what was the response like? How fast were emergency services able to make the scene and what were the immediate needs So the first call that came over the radio was of our volunteers of ours who live across the street literally coming running out of their houses to the sounds of the automatic gunshots running across the street immediately saying that there are a number of people injured and different levels of severity within I would say a minute and a half two minutes at max there were a number of medics EMTs paramedics on scene already treating the patients and then assisting to transport them to the hospitals for definitive care unfortunately there were those that didn't survive We hear that there are still five people in serious to possibly critical condition What do we know about the injuries and what can we say about their prognosis So we I don't know to say at this point about their prognosis and their injuries are our severe injuries from multiple gunshots to different parts of the body I can't go into too much detail but a lot of firearm was shot over here and we're all praying for them to survive The scene on the ground now is it considered secure is the incident considered over The incident at this point is considered over Yes, absolutely they're already now starting to clear away the vehicle of the terrorists from here and of course the police are doing the work Once the terrorists were taken out of course police took extra measures to do an initial assessment of the area to see that there aren't additional terrorists but otherwise there wasn't any significant threat once the terrorists were shot by the soldier that happened to be here at the bus stop and the civilian And we're going to move from the potential front of the West Bank to the main front in Gaza where a fragile ceasefire still holds at least for now that despite Hamas violating the terms of the deal yet again it was renewed this morning just 20 minutes before expiry Hamas will return only eight hostages today that they abducted during the October 7th massacre in return they buy themselves another day to live as well as 30 more convicted terrorists freed from Israeli prisons and more fuel entering the Gaza Strip which Hamas will use at least some portion of to fuel its war capabilities Hamas at the very last minute attempted to alter the terms of the deal again offering three dead bodies alongside seven live hostages for continued ceasefire Israel rejected this originally the term were 10 live women and children per day of ceasefire the terrorists though claim they don't have any women and children left but Israeli intelligence says Hamas has at least 15 more to give Israel has been given a list of 10 more names today and has accepted the terms though it's worth noting that Hamas released two Russian Israeli citizens last night as a gesture to Vladimir Putin who is a key ally of Hamas's backer Iran but now the terrorists are holding those two releases against today's count which has reduced it to eight this all as we hear more stories of cruel abuse of the hostages coming from the families captives that were beaten regularly with cables children forced to watch videos of the massacres and atrocities at gunpoint and more now we are going to return to our studio for some more discussion I want to open with you Olivier because we're seeing some signs we're seeing some rubblings Israeli officials saying the ceasefire is clearly reaching its end Hamas changing the deals violating the terms at the last minute with these changes of the list and Hamas now telling their armed brigades to be ready for imminent action does this mean that we are looking at the imminent collapse of the ceasefire now I need to be very cautious when I'm answering you right now there is right now not a ceasefire but a pause a humanitarian pause it's very different the war is still here against Hamas but there is a pause and the goal of it is to receive our hostages back home alive that's why for now six days six times so it will be the seventh time this this day today we are actually applying this this pause if this pause is over the Israeli government the sole responsible for it will decide that the pause is over and that the combats are back against Hamas the army is actually ready to go back to to to fight against Hamas in the Gaza Strip all over where there is a need to and we never said that we are not ready for that we are just now actually adapting adapted adapt ourselves to this pause we are in a kind of I would say deployment according to the pause but ready for any any new development obviously Hamas has used the pause to refortify their positions reestablish their chains of commands what was Israel able to accomplish as far as combat readiness during the pause the readiness is at the top top level the forces are at the top level ready for for moving where the commander was the the orders will tell them to move to but the intelligence also was aware about what's going on in the Hamas side but I want also to to clarify the decisions made by the Israeli government and more particularly the war cabinet were actually taken with the presence of the chief general staff the Shin Bet and the Mossad all of them agreed on this pause according to different issues and they also adapt themselves to the pause to be respected by us and it was respected by us until now because we want back our hostages if the pause is over we will be ready to to move and to continue what has been started for almost two months a war against Hamas in order to destroy to dismantle to finish the Hamas regime military capabilities in the Gaza Strip I want to turn to Guy now because we've been discussing the hostages all day and we need to discuss some of Hamas' vile media manipulations during the hostage crisis and that is of course one of the most heart-wrenching stories in Israel the story of fear Bebas a 10 month old baby held by no longer even Hamas apparently passed off to another terror group in the Strip along with the rest of their family now Hamas claiming that they were killed in an Israeli air strike we know that Hamas has made many such lies before but we have to address what's become a major viral story in Israel what what do we make of all these claims this is perhaps the most sensitive story since the start of this war as these this family and particularly the young baby fear has become the symbol of this war symbol of the brutality of Hamas of the crimes against humanity committed by Hamas on that October 7th this young baby taken in his mother's arms together with his brother Ariel four years old into Gaza Israel has been awaiting their release since the start of this hostage release deal that was the first name on everybody's mouths and everybody's minds to see them finally back in Israel alive and well yesterday Hamas announced that they have lost their lives Hamas claiming that that was a result of an Israeli air strike obviously Hamas has been caught lying so many times when it comes to the Israeli hostages and their well-being nonetheless Israel announced yesterday that it had updated the family the statement of Hamas and it is working for on validating or getting more information about the status of the family here we can see the picture of baby fear bebas he was nine months old when he was kidnapped by Hamas he's 10 months now hopefully will be celebrating 11 months in Israel after he's released nonetheless this is part of the psychological warfare of Hamas in one other case at least the Palestinian militants the terrorists in Gaza have announced the death of another Israeli hostage a one that was eventually released alive a couple of weeks later we certainly hope that in this case again Hamas is lying to the family and to the Israeli public and that this poor family will be found alive and will be released back home in Israel absolutely I want to turn to Olivier because ultimately what does Hamas gain with this manipulation one by simply releasing Bebas as part of a hostage deal they could buy them to the house another day Hamas is by definition a brutal terror army and they have their own DNA to be what they are and don't forget that they want something they want the full destruction annihilation of the Jewish state no compromise with Israel nothing so in this war there is also I would say a war into the war a psychological war they are actually trying to undermine the Israeli morale of the population by playing with our nerves by playing with our emotions and of course to play with bodies like today they said that they are going to to bring back three bodies without giving names without giving identity it's horrible it's horrible from the very beginning so we have to be very strong very firm not to play according to what they want us to be but to your question I would say that don't look for something that they want to achieve because it is another mind it is another system of of thought and Hamas is actually playing according to their rules just one point if I may yesterday during the process of releasing the hostages from the Hamas to the ICRC did you see what happened thousands of Palestinians actually with Hamas were around and it was almost lynched during this process with terrible claims of I don't know hostile words hostile shouting all this atmosphere of terror of criminal terror of psychological war is part of Hamas so we'll have to discuss later the strategies of how to fight back against that psychological war but I do want to bring in another angle here our defense correspondent Jonathan Regev is at Schneider Children's Medical Center where he can update us about the condition of the hostages but before that I want to address another revelation that's come out in the last few minutes and that is the identification of another body from the Nova Music Festival of fear at Sarfatih who was originally presumed taken hostage now identified as dead is another one of those heart-wrenching issues that we've seen across the entire war and this sort of uncertainty even two months later is also hanging over the hostage situation that's ongoing as it goes Jonathan yes and that is why it is very difficult to give concrete numbers because yes we heard all along from the IDF spokesperson and numbers of families who've been notified that their loved ones are in Gaza we heard numbers such as 239, 236 is one time even 241 but the truth is that there are also people that are defined as missing they might be in Gaza maybe even alive but they might not be in Gaza might be dead not exactly clear we're hearing more and more stories of bodies being found and identified every day and this is just one of them we still have a number of people that are defined as missing this name that you brought up just one of them of course these are not happy these are not happy news for families of course the fact that their loved one was killed but it does give them a certain closure of families that have been living with uncertainty for two years so it's a very difficult issue not only hostages but also people missing it's definitely a terrible situation all around briefly though of the people that we do get back how are they doing mostly well we're speaking here of four people that were brought to Schneider hospital overnight physically they're doing quite well this is according to preliminary examination they came in very late let's remember the whole process last night was delayed by a few hours at least three hours so they got here very late the initial assessment of the four people that were brought here to Schneider is that at least physically they're in a good condition that's good to know that there is the physical recovery at least Jonathan the mental recovery is going to be a much longer road ahead thank you very much for that updates from the field there letting us know how the hostages are doing on their return now with that said we are just about out of time here so I want to thank our in-studio discussion panel made of Olivia Raffowitz as well as Guy Azriel for helping break down the situation in Gaza and helping us understand the situation in Jerusalem and with that in mind thank you all very much for watching us but there will be another broadcast in just about a half hour which going to have updates on of course the situation in Jerusalem and the ongoing war and ceasefire for hostage exchange in Gaza as well so definitely come back for that again one o'clock local time and until then you could also follow us on i24news.tv online for more stories and more coverage of the war till then thank you all so much for watching is in a state of war families completely done down in their beds we have no idea where is she as our soldiers are fighting on the front line but the general perception is something that certainly needs to to be fought as well in i24news seen by nearby soldiers as well as by an armed civilian israel's internal security minister itamar ben veer addressed the events of this morning and the security forces and civilians that put down the terrorists it is a difficult morning for all of us condolences to the family's speedy recovery for the wounded and a big hug to the heroes who saved lives here this event proves once again why we must not show weakness why it is only possible to talk with hamas through rifle sites only through war in hamas we fight this event illustrates another thing how important is the policy of delivering weapons despite the criticism i will continue with the policy of handing out weapons everywhere including to emergency units and civilians a weapon saves lives we see it time and time again wherever there are weapons citizens policemen soldiers save the situation and we have our correspondent pierre clochan there standing by in jerusalem at the scene of that attack pierre walk us through exactly what happened well i'm gonna ask you to play the interview which we did with yosef haim ohayon is an eyewitness of the terror attack and then i'll explain let's hear him first i pass by here every morning at this exact bus stop i stood here like every day i saw the car stopping by the station it seemed suspicious from the start the driver got out of the vehicle and pulled out a weapon i realized immediately that this is a terror attack miraculously moments before the shooting a large crowd that was in the bus stop went into a bus that drove away so many lives were saved today i regret not doing military service i'm still in shock i'm still shaking i'm tired and i just want to get back home right now the car of the terrorist was just here it was a white car they came out of the car and started shooting in this direction at the bus stop as you heard moments before many people that came out of the bus now you see there are ultra-orthodox cool girls that are now decorating the site of the murder in which three Israelis were killed ultra-orthodox and they're putting Israeli flags as well as some inscription and it says don't be afraid don't be afraid that's what it says now you have here the whole scene of the shooting it happened very quickly within seconds two reserve soldiers who were on their way back to the Gaza front they've had a leave of 12 hours only and they were on their way back they stopped they were here they shot at the two terrorists and killed them they had M16 a assault rifle and a pistol the two reservists has M16 assault and here and it seems that we have lost yeah we seem to have lost our connection with Pierre hold on I think we're about to re-establish that do you see me yes we are reconnected do you hear me yes okay the rampage affected people that were on that tree just here and a few moments ago a Zaka rescue worker tried to scrap pieces of flesh and blood that were stuck on the tree now this is because in Judaism you must not leave any piece of human flesh and blood on a scene of violence you have to purify the scene now the evacuation of the wounded there are four severely wounded one moderately and one lightly we're hospitalized between within half an hour because the rescue service headquarters are just minutes away by car from here they were evacuated to two hospitals the funeral is going to take place very quickly between one and two this afternoon of the three victims and you can see now the bus stop is bustling with life and people are still waiting for the buses and you can see the bus just here and the highway is open and the floor has been cleansed from the blood of the victim all that happened within a couple of hours after the terror attack well thank you very much for that view from the scene Pierre we will be of course coming back to you over the course of the day with updates on that site now for more though we are going to return to our studio where we have a discussion panel that consists of Colonel Olivier Raffewitz IDF spokesperson for international media as well as our senior editor Guy Azriel I'm going to open with you Guy because there's more information still on the attack what do we know of the perpetrators right so we do know the two perpetrators are of the same family both of them members or residents of the tour bahir neighborhood in east Jerusalem both of them holding blue Israeli IDs meaning that they really have free access to go anywhere they want in Israel there is no limitation they don't have to go through checkpoints etc from east Jerusalem into where they executed this attack as we could see they drove this car into that bus stop where they were able to get out open fire with an automatic weapon and and handgun very luckily and I think this is the main point here the very quick reaction of the soldiers that were there and as ended Israeli civilian really saved a lot of lives very sadly we have three victims here but the results could have been a lot more catastrophic unless these brave men confronted those terrorists really risking their lives instead of running away they have saved the lives of so many really again also emphasizing what we heard from national security minister Itamar Ben Gvir the fact that they were there and that they were armed this saves lives and and when we see that time and time again in Jerusalem in particular where you do have more presence of security personnel and that are able to stop these attacks and one more thing as we saw from Pierre there life is so quickly back to normal in Jerusalem sadly this city is so familiar with these terror attacks but life goes on and this is I think the message from Israel to these terrorists you do not stop life in Jerusalem the life continues Jerusalem is a city that has seen so many terror attacks over the past decades I myself as a journalist who's been there so many times a city that has seen so much suffering from the days of the second Intifada the major bombings in restaurants shooting attacks etc etc at the end of the day life goes on and this is the victory of Israel over terror life prevails I want to take a quick security assessment here with Olivia because we've seen so many attacks in the last year or so coming out of East Jerusalem it's always considered a hot spot extremely radicalized area and so many of them do have as Guy mentioned that blue Israeli citizenship ID is there any practical way to reduce the freedom of movement for terrorists there to prevent attacks like this like you have just heard by a guy I mean they're Israeli in Jerusalem for me it's Jerusalem but they have ID cards so there are like residents of Jerusalem but there is for now a long time a penetration of Islamism Islamic groups more particularly Hamas and Islamic jihad in these villages in these areas in these neighborhood on what we are now facing it actually the I would say the expansion of Hamas influence not only in Gaza but also outside and this attack is actually Hamas oriented Hamas linked and it's approved that we are facing Hamas threat all over and we cannot actually we cannot prevent and stop freedom of movement because it will be counterproductive Now we know that Hamas has been trying their hardest to open another front in the West Bank to take pressure off of Gaza the same way they've been pushing his Bullah to open another front in earnest to take pressure off of Gaza as well is it possible to stop the West Bank from flaring up the way we're seeing The answer is yes that way for now almost two months more particularly the Shin Bet and the IDF are carrying out every day but mostly every night a series of arrest operations sometimes very difficult very sensitive mostly in the Elbrun area and also in Jenin and Nablus in the northern part of Samaria I think we are now talking about almost 2,000 people who have been arrested connected to Hamas there are most of them preventive arrest operation but it is the only way to stop or to prevent further attacks all around And that's certainly a way of stopping Hamas operatives or people linked with Hamas operatives but if we look at some of the polling that we've seen coming out of the West Bank 89% of West Bank Palestinians supports the Hamas armed wing 84% of West Bank Palestinians support the massacres of October 7th when you're facing that sort of situation is it even enough to stop Hamas linked operatives or there are so many threats of lone wolves there that how do you deal with it? I will tell you something we don't deal with surveys always I don't know numbers we deal with facts and for the time being we cannot change the mind of people it's not the Israeli intention of course but we can actually prevent people to act against Israel that's what we are doing and in this matter I believe that the Israeli army and mostly the Shin Bet together are doing a great incredible job And before we continue I want some of our viewers to get a more on the ground look at the attack of this morning earlier we did speak to a first responder and here was the immediate aftermath that he witnessed What happened this morning on this very difficult morning here in the entrance to Jerusalem is a car that you can see right behind me there came up to the bus stop which unfortunately is known for it has known a number of terror attacks in the past stopped at the bus stop terrorists came out of the car and started shooting automatic weapons that people waiting to go to work or wherever they were going this morning killing two and injuring another eight or nine people on scene And what was the response how fast were emergency services able to make the scene and what were the immediate needs So the first call that came over the radio was of our volunteers of ours who live across the street literally coming running out of their houses to the sounds of the automatic gunshots running across the street immediately saying that there are a number of people injured on different levels of severity within I would say a minute and a half two minutes at max there were a number of medics EMTs paramedics on scene already treating the patients and then assisting to transport them to the hospitals for definitive care unfortunately there were those that didn't survive We hear that there are still five people in serious to possibly critical condition What do we know about the injuries and what can we say about their prognosis So we I don't know to say at this point about their prognosis and their injuries are our severe injuries from multiple gunshots to different parts of the body I can't go into too much detail but a lot of a lot of firearm was shot over here and we're all praying for them to survive The scene on the ground now is it considered secure is the incident considered over The incident at this point is considered over Yes absolutely they're already now starting to clear away the vehicle of the terrorists from here and of course the police are doing the work Once the terrorists were taken out of course police took extra measures to do an initial assessment of the area that there aren't additional terrorists but otherwise there wasn't any significant threat once the terrorists were shot by the soldier that happened to be here at the bus stop and the civilian And we're going to move from the potential front of the West Bank to the main front in Gaza where a fragile ceasefire still holds at least for now that despite Hamas violating the terms of the deal yet again it was renewed this morning just 20 minutes before expiry Hamas will return only eight hostages today that they abducted during the October 7th massacre in return they buy themselves another day to live as well as 30 more convicted terrorists freed from Israeli prisons and more fuel entering the Gaza Strip which Hamas will use at least some portion of to fuel its war capabilities Hamas at the very last minute attempted to alter the terms of the deal again offering three dead bodies alongside seven live hostages for continued ceasefire Israel rejected this originally the terms were 10 live women and children per day of ceasefire the terrorists though claim they don't have any women and children left but Israeli intelligence says Hamas has at least 15 more to give Israel has been given a list of 10 more names today and has accepted the terms though it's worth noting that Hamas released two Russian Israeli citizens last night as a gesture to Vladimir Putin who was a key ally of Hamas's backer Iran but now the terrorists are holding those two releases against today's count which has reduced it to eight this allows we hear more stories of cruel abuse of the hostages coming from the families captives that were beaten regularly with cables children forced to watch videos of the massacres and atrocities at gunpoint and more now we are going to return to our studio for some more discussion I want to open with you Olivier because we're seeing some signs we're seeing some rubblings Israeli officials saying the ceasefire is clearly reaching its end Hamas changing the deals violating the terms at the last minute with these changes of the list and Hamas now telling their armed brigades to be ready for imminent action does this mean that we are looking at the imminent collapse of the ceasefire now I need to be very cautious when I'm answering you right now there is right now not a ceasefire but a pause a humanitarian pause it's very different the war is still here against Hamas but there is a pause and the goal of it is to receive our hostages back home alive that's why for now six days six times so now it will be the seventh time this day today we are actually applying this pause if this pause is over the Israeli government the sole responsible for it will decide that the pause is over and that the combats are back against Hamas the army is actually ready to go back to fight against Hamas in the Gaza Strip all over where there is a need to and we never said that we are not ready for that we are just now actually adapted we'll adapt ourselves to this pause we are in a kind of I would say deployment according to the pause but ready for any new development obviously Hamas has used the pause to re-fortify their positions re-establish their chains of commands what was Israel able to accomplish as far as combat readiness during the pause the readiness is at the top top level the forces are at the top level ready for for moving where the commander was the the orders will tell them to move to but the intelligence also was aware about what's going on in the Hamas side but I want also to clarify the decisions made by the Israeli government and more particularly the war cabinet were actually taken with the presence of the chief general staff the Shin Bet and the Mossad all of them agreed on this pause according to different issues and they also adapt themselves to the pause to be respected by us and it was respected by us until now because we want back our hostages if the pause is over we will be ready to move and to continue what has been started for almost two months war against Hamas in order to destroy to dismantle to finish the Hamas regime military capabilities in the Gaza Strip I want to turn to Guy now because we've been discussing the hostages all day and we need to discuss some of Hamas' vile media manipulations during the hostage crisis that is of course one of the most heart-wrenching stories in Israel the story of Fier Bebas a 10-month-old baby held by no longer even Hamas apparently passed off to another terror group in the Strip along with the rest of their family now Hamas claiming that they were killed in an Israeli airstrike we know that Hamas has made many such lies before but we have to address what's becoming a major viral story in Israel what what do we make of all these claims yes it's perhaps the most sensitive story since the start of this war as this family and particularly the young baby fear has become the symbol of this war a symbol of the brutality of Hamas of the crimes against humanity committed by Hamas on that October 7th this young baby taken in his mother's arms together with his brother Ariel four years old into Gaza Israel has been awaiting their release since the start of this hostage release deal that was the first name on everybody's mouths and everybody's minds to see them finally back in Israel alive and well yesterday Hamas announced that they have lost their lives Hamas claiming that that was a result of an Israeli airstrike obviously Hamas has been caught lying so many times when it comes to the Israeli hostages and their well-being nonetheless Israel announced yesterday it had updated the family on the statement of Hamas and it is working for and on validating or getting more information about the status of the family here we can see the picture of baby fear bebas who was nine months old when he was kidnapped by Hamas he's 10 months now hopefully we'll be celebrating 11 months in Israel after he's released nonetheless this is part of the psychological warfare of Hamas in one other case at least the Palestinian militants the terrorist in Gaza have announced the death of another Israeli hostage a one that was eventually released alive a couple of weeks later we certainly hope that in this case again Hamas is lying to the family and to the Israeli public and that this poor family will be found alive and will be released back home in Israel absolutely I want to turn to you Olivier because ultimately what does Hamas gain with this manipulation one by simply releasing Bebas as part of a hostage deal they could buy them to the house another day Hamas is by definition brittle terror army and they have their own DNA to be what they are and don't forget that they want something they want the full destruction annihilation of the Jewish state no compromise with Israel nothing so in this war there is also I would say a war into the war a psychological war they are actually trying to to undermine the Israeli morale of the population by playing with our nerves by playing with our emotions and of course to play with bodies like today they said that they are going to bring back three bodies without giving names without giving identity it's horrible it's horrible from the very beginning so we have to be very strong very firm not to play according to what they want us to be but to your question I would say that don't look for something that they want to achieve because it is another mind it is another system of of thought and Hamas is actually playing according to their rules just one point if I may yesterday during the process of releasing the hostages from the Hamas to the ICRC did you see what happened thousands of Palestinians actually with Hamas were around and it was almost lynched during this process with terrible claims of I don't know of hostile words of style shouting all this atmosphere of terror of a criminal terror of psychological war is part of Hamas so we'll have to discuss later the strategies of how to fight back against that psychological war but I do want to bring in another angle here our defense correspondent Jonathan Regev is at Schneider Children's Medical Center where he can update us about the condition of the hostages but before that I want to address another revelation that's come out in the last few minutes and that is the identification of another body from the Nova Music Festival of fear at Sarfati who was originally presumed taken hostage now identified as dead it is another one of those heart-wrenching issues that we've seen across the entire war and this sort of uncertainty even two months later is also hanging over at the hostage situation that's ongoing as it goes Jonathan yes and that is why it is very difficult to give concrete numbers because yes we heard all along from the IDFS spokesperson and numbers of families who've been notified that their loved ones are in Gaza we heard numbers such as 239 236 is one time even 241 but the truth is that there are also people that are defined as missing they might be in Gaza maybe even alive but they might not be in Gaza might be dead not exactly clear we're hearing more and more stories of bodies being found and identified every day and this is just one of them we still have a number of people that are defined as missing this name that you brought up just one of them of course these are not happy these are not happy news for families of course the fact that their loved one was killed but it does give them a certain closure of families that have been living with uncertainty for two years so it's a very difficult issue not only hostages but also people missing it's definitely a terrible situation all around briefly though of the people that we do get back how are they doing mostly well we're speaking here of four people that were brought to Schneider Hospital overnight physically they're doing quite well this is according to preliminary examination they came in very late let's remember the whole process last night was delayed by a few hours at least three hours so they got here very late the initial assessment of the four people that were brought here to Schneider is that at least physically they're in a good condition that's good to know that there is the physical recovery at least Jonathan the mental recovery is going to be a much longer road ahead thank you very much for that update from the field there letting us know how the hostages are doing on their return now with that said we are just about out of time here so I want to thank our in-studio discussion panel made of Olivia Rafferwitz as well as Guy Azriel for helping break down the situation in Gaza and helping us understand the situation in Jerusalem and with that in mind thank you all very much for watching us but there will be another broadcast in just about a half hour which going to have updates on of course the situation in Jerusalem and the ongoing war and ceasefire for hostage exchange in Gaza as well so definitely come back for that again one o'clock local time and it's