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I'm about to break down right now. I'm tired of it. You got to go on and get that membership and quit acting like you broke. I already know you got money. I've been sneaking and looking at your page. Ghost following you. And I see you got a little bread stacked up there putting it to your ear still. Niggas ain't even doing that no more. You still doing it. Check it man. Hey man, my guy's here today, man. He don't need no introduction, man. Savage is in the build and AKA mob god. We don't know what to call him. But at the end of the day, he here on Boss Talk 101 by way of, I wanna say he in Atlanta, but he not originally from Atlanta, right? Or from Baton Rouge. The boy from Baton Rouge. B-Art where all the new Rollins music at. Yeah, I wouldn't have it no other way, man. Man, B-Art, man. So, hey man, it's good to meet you, man. Good to have you. Yes, sir, I'm happy to be here. Man, let's talk about it. So Baton Rouge, Louisiana. Was you raised with your mom and dad? Yeah, my dad actually lives up here. And he moved to Dallas probably in the early 80s. So it was just me and my mom and my stepdad. Great man, both of them good guys, you know what I'm saying? But he, my stepdad was a little more street oriented, you know what I'm saying? So it's kind of like I had the best of both worlds, you know, as far as the hustle, but also the discipline. So your dad was more the disciplinarian? My dad, my stepdad, he was more just a life lesson kind of guy, like breaking everything down in the terms you can understand on everyday living. You know what I'm saying? Kind of not sugarcoating things. My mom is saying, I feel like my mom probably just one of the most, she's just not gonna play. She, you know, whether it be in the street fighting, you know, I seen her fight grown men, I seen her put that eye on people. Ooh, ooh, ooh, ooh. So you know what I'm saying? But at the same time, it's like somebody told me the other day that that knows me and my family. They was like, y'all the sweetest people in the child, crazy. And I'm like, yeah, that's something about right. But it's just that, you know, it's a time for everything. You know what I'm saying? So I feel like, you know, coming up in Baton Rouge, you had to develop some sort of edge. You know what I'm saying? Just to maintain yourself. Cause it's one of them type cities. How old were you when your parents split? I don't think my parents ever been together in my lifetime. Oh, okay. They were together, you know, prior to me being born, but my mom had me at like 19. I think I remember my dad probably dated three or four years before I was born. Oh, okay. So yeah, it was just, you know, I guess, you know, at that time. So, you know, it felt like you wanted your mom, and some kids, they don't understand a lot as a child. So they're like, you know, why can't my dad be over here with you? Oh, no, I've definitely wanted that. You know what I'm saying? I definitely wondered about it. But it's just that some things you don't understand as a kid and then some things make you grow up kind of fast. So, you know, me just noticing those type of things I had to kind of create my own comfort zone. You know what I'm saying? Because it can be rough, you know, being raised by someone else that's not your biological father. But I feel like we had got past that point, you know, years later when my brother was born, my stepdad began to treat me more like his own, you know what I'm saying? It takes time. So that's when it felt like home, you know what I'm saying? But in the beginning, I didn't really care for it and I would always wonder like, why is my mom not with my dad? Did you rebel? Did I rebel? Yeah. And I feel like I've been rebelling my whole life. Give me an instance of what you did because of the situation being there with your stepfather. Give me something that you did that was a cry for help at that time. I think I was just very aggressive as a child because I wasn't really hurt at home in the beginning. Or I wasn't in my opinion. And even looking back on it and my mom has even apologized about certain things as I got older. And that shit, well, I don't know if I can say shit, but that releases a lot of frustration off you. It releases a lot of turmoil that you've been holding on to. That you can carry on. And you can go with that trauma and just kind of develop that opening line, the opening lines of communication with people that you dare to. I think it just makes the relationship that much more. But I think it has to do with the generation that we were in back then because growing up, it was a case where a child had to stay in his child's place. It wasn't no communicate with no adult at that age. Nowadays, it's more, let's talk about it. Even though you're a child, let me explain things to you. Adults didn't explain anything to you back then as a kid. I think that was a fault on their bad. I know, but it's just how they were raised as well. So it was just something out of the camera. Yeah, y'all along with that, man. Sometimes kids don't get out of here. I don't want you in here while we're talking, looking in my mouth, you know. I don't know what's most different. You know what I'm saying? That's different. That's different. But then when I get ready to whoop you, then I tell you don't go over there and touch that. Bop, bop, bop. And I'm gonna get your brother too. I think I needed all that. You remember? Like, I don't know why they got me. But I needed it because I was tough, man. I was messing up. I know I was even when they called me and didn't catch me. So I needed not a communication thing. You know, I get it, Tommy, you know. Y'all got that really from people that don't look like us, but I ain't gonna go there. But I do, I understand the communication, but I do know that sometimes, man, where I'm from and where I needed to be reached at is a place where you can't even explain it. Does that make sense to you? Like you couldn't even explain what the hell. Man, I'm saying they're looking at you. You look like my uncle, Jimmy, and my cousin Wayne, them family. You could fit right in their family, bro. They're huge, they're huge. They out of that D.K.L. But it just, am I right, like the thing is, though, even him, you know. Can you remind me of Pimp C. Pimp C? Damn, you gone out of hell. You got Pimp out of, man, cause you, yeah, I don't know. I see a resemblance. You're new Chad. Yeah, I see a resemblance. Like, when you knew Chad, like, how old was you? I see you done brought that name up. That's just the whole interview down. I made him until, like, my early 20s. But I've been a fan of him. How old was you, 21? Like 23? 21. 22? Young. You look back now and you be like, oh, no. That man Pimp was just... I remember his glasses. Oh, my God. He was just a phenomenon. Yeah, he was. You know, think about coming from small town, Louisiana, cause I always tell people we claim Pimp cause he from Crowley. But a lot of people claim, you know, Pimp cause he rap P.A. But he from Crowley, you know what I'm saying? I feel like, you know, when you come from under that lineage, we've got a lot of good musicians that just came out of Louisiana. And then, you know, him developing that in Texas, even going to school, singing and all that type of stuff. We followed a lot of the same paths and I didn't realize it until I started researching a lot of the stuff that Pimp did and what he listened to because being my favorite, that was my favorite artist. Favorite producer. Man, yours and mine both. You know what I'm saying? So, like, it's not even closed. Like, when people ask me, well, what's your favorite album all the time? I'm gonna say Riding Dirty every time. Me too. Front to back. Me too. And that's how I ended up meeting Pimp cause I thought the guy, my boy Smoke D, shout out to Smoke. Smoke D is talking to all the interludes on Riding Dirty. I thought that was Bun B, bro. I thought that was Bun for a long time. It sounds just like Bun. I thought it was Bun. So, it's actually Smoke D. Smoke D was kind of like an unofficial member. But he spent so much time in and out of jail during the time that they was trying to get up and running. But Pimp was actually going to visit dude. And when he would visit him, he was like, okay, well, here go these tapes. You know, he was giving them them tapes and he had a recorder in there. So, Pimp just ended up breaking it down into interludes and that's how I ended up making Riding Dirty. So, long story short, that's who introduced me to Pimp. When he was like, when I get out of jail, I'm gonna hook you up with Pimp. Oh, shit, man. I'm talking about he did everything to the tee like he said he was gonna do. And so, the first time I ever met Pimp, I'm going to the hotel in Atlanta at 12. This is the time he was hanging with that big seven, four foot bodyguard, we were rabble out. Yeah. So, yeah, he was running the show and, you know, I was coming off the elevator and Pimp was coming off and I'm coming on the elevator to come to the room. So, we bump, like beating up and talking about for the first time ever. So, I put my hand out the tap and he's like, man, I know who you is nigga. Because I had a video on BET Uncut. And he used to watch the video on Uncut. He's like, yeah, I know who you is nigga. You savage BET Uncut. I've been checking you out. I like what you're doing, you know, and it's shit from there. You know what I'm saying? Just to have your favorite artist. Like, know who you are. And you're trying to introduce yourself. Like, at that point I could have quit then and I'm like, shit, my job done. Yeah. Because just, you know, just listening to that dude so long and I'm talking about, man, just from tell me something good all the way to, you know what I'm saying? The dirty money to all the stuff, like the stuff he was doing when he first came off from jail even, you know what I'm saying? It's just, I don't think people realize how, how much he played a role where he'd do everything and then Bun just got to come put verses down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I hear that a lot. I hear that a lot. And that's what I do now to this day. So, even when I work with Bootsy, Webby, all these guys I work with, I'm a pretty much do the majority of the work. You just got to show up, put your verse down. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And when you're a studio rat like that, it just make you want to go, go, go. So I get that from him as far as, you know, he used to say he tried to do three songs a day. Shit, I'm probably doing six, seven a day. You know what I'm saying? I'm talking about making the beat, to writing the hook, to getting the song together. So like last year, between myself and my artists, I got about five artists on my roster. We dropped maybe 150 songs, but quality songs. You know what I'm saying? That ain't what we just rushing stuff out. I'm the person that's sitting in the studio all day and tweaking, you know what I'm saying? Make the change or cut this out or take it out. And you have to love it in order to be that good at something like that. Let me just stop you for a minute. You know, I always stop people. You know, I think I'm bad like that. I'm going to stop, I'm going to stop mob God and just say my little piece. You, you're going to just say, I do seven a day. Pimp did how many three? He said he did three of them. But yours ain't for two minutes long though mob God. That's true. Stop playing with me, man. That's true. But you know what? The, the, the market has changed. It did. And we, you know, even take something like three, six things, you know that song, three, six things. Don't, don't, don't, don't. People ain't going to sit there and listen to three, three verses no more of 16 bars. Oh, that I went on though. They going to listen to that all day. It's hard. They going to listen. It's still hard to this day, but it's that the attention span seems to have changed. And it's like one thing I try to do is make music that's going to last. So even in Baron Rouge, you might go to the club to this day. And I get on the DJs about not playing new shit, but you'll go to the club to this day. You may have five to 10 records I produced maybe 10 years ago. Wow. Still. You know what I'm saying? Down remix had a remix. I'll have a bunch of. Yeah. I remember that a lot of people did it. It did, but I mean, that that that record did good for a lot of people. As far as just exposure. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And I was around the time I was still at Trio. Miles did that track, by the way. But that was around the time I was still at Trio. And when we was working on them songs, a lot of that early stuff, man, I either got recorded and multi six. or Super 8 or, you know what I'm saying? It wasn't even big studios. It's just because we used to get them boys out of town to focus. So if they were still in the city, they're gonna run around, you know what I'm saying? I wanna ask you something, because it keep coming back to me. Boosie said he wouldn't have never signed to, what'd you just name it? Trio. Trio, he wouldn't have never signed it. If he didn't know, he thought PMC owned it. He said if he had a new that PMC didn't own it, he wouldn't have never signed to it. How would you think that and not know that he don't own it? For one, you know, they coined the term Trio. That was something, that was something that PMC owned me, you know what I'm saying? So Trio Entertainment and Pimp, you know, like repping and waving the flag, but he really was trying to do them a favor and he helped put them on. Like, yeah, he had a hand in it, but he wasn't no like everyday type of guy. Like he was like, okay, well, whatever, y'all working on a signed on it, or if you need a verse or something, whatever, whatever, you know, I'm gonna sign off on it and do it. And I felt like he helped them in that realm. You know what I'm saying? Who was the one that made that is, what was the two guys name? Mel and- Mel and Turk. Turk. Okay, how did you even meet them? I met Mel and Turk through DJ Wookie. Wookie, very instrumental in so many of our careers from Baton Rouge, because he was one of the first people in Baton Rouge had a studio. Okay. So like when I was a kid, I helped start TBG. So that's like right out of my neighborhood. So that's, you know, all those guys with my older home is like Big Cheer, Avid at Bootsie, I always talk about yacht. Those are like the big three. And so they was like the oldest street guys out the neighborhood. Me, I was beat dude, you know, helping write songs or whatever, but them was the first dudes actually putting money into buying equipment for me or, you know what I'm saying? Buying studio time or doing whatever we need to do to keep studio time, you know what I'm saying? So I can't ever turn my back on that. And even to this day, like I got Avid's son, Avid Junior, I had got him signed a couple of years ago, but I'm helping manage him and still, you know, just helping him rock out and develop as an artist as well. But I think C-Loke going to jail is what made Bootsie go to trial because, you know, Locke had him signed. And after Locke went to jail and he started running with us with TBG and Avid. So he, you know, I did, like I'm on Bootsie's first mixtape. You're on his first one? I'm on his very first mixtape. I bought that. Yeah, and I forgot the name of the tape. I just remember, because, you know, that's Pimp, all of, Pimp is the one I feel like conveyed and brought him in too. So when I got it, it was a, I ain't gonna tell you who, but somebody burnt that CD and sold it to me. So I don't remember nothing on it, but just Bootsie on it all. Him and, you know, I wanna say, was Pimp featured on that? I think Pimp had something on that. I think he came in on, like, what, him dollars at around that time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that. And then he had a couple more songs with Bootsie, but they got leaked. And so that's why I never came out officially as regular songs. He had, like, two projects get leaked. And man, that's another thing too. Like, as a phenomenon, Bootsie was, like, one of them people that the artist, I mean, the people in the city would listen to his unmixed music. It could be sounding like trash. I never heard that before, but that's hard, that's hard. But the people in the city wanted it so bad it was still gonna bump it. So, like, even though leaked projects was getting more love than a lot of people, that's why I really, I felt like it did him a disservice when he finally put out a real album cause a lot of those, a lot of his harder songs got leaked on the projects beforehand. And then they ended up having to do the wiping down to try to get him another buzz, to try to get that album selling, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. I'm gonna be real with you for a minute, my God, man. When you think about, I don't know, sometimes I think that the early on people, and I say this a lot, the master piece, the bird man in Slim's, the turkey males, the Southerners, man, because it's a lot different coming out in the South. I feel like a lot of times they would learn him when they started and stuff. And I think a lot of times people are mad or upset with him about certain things they went through on those labels, but I think they was learning, bro. I think, I know they was. Well, at the end of the day, taking something that's not yours, they ain't never a learning curve on that. I get it, I get it, but if you just started something today and you be like, e-man, I want you to come help me with this. And I'll be like, yeah, I'll come help you. Now I ain't for to give you a number, I'm gonna give you 5% and that whole blow. And I'll be like, damn, man, I did most of the work. You didn't know that hole was gonna blow. You didn't know. So when it blow, am I a bad dude because you only got 5%? Cause the world gonna be like, man, that's it. But I hear it don't work. I'm saying like this, if you're okay with that, knowing that you get in the bulk of something you had nothing to do with producing, then that tells us what kind of person you are. But what do I do now? You mean just make it right? Is that all you saying? Cause I can make it right or I don't have to. I'm with Steve Madden and Mark Cuban him. Now I really don't have to come back. Yeah, make it right. You understand what I'm saying? Make it right. It ain't, okay, for example, okay. And I brought that up because I know they get these new deals now people understand independence and all that, but when you go back to them times, you, when you look at these guys, and I talk about the South cause I'm from the South, when you look at these guys, I don't know, you know, nobody that did it better than Pee and Birdman and J Prince, J Prince first. But when you start looking at how people feel about the deals they was in a lot of times. I don't know about it with a deal from J Prince that that was satisfied with the deal. But none of them ever, that's a track record. So what you have to do is start looking at people's track record, right? And so even if you want to take somebody like Birdman, even last year I was proud of Birdman for the simple fact that a lot of people start coming out saying, yeah, he paid me or even Birdman was like, yeah, I took care of this. You know what I'm saying? Cause he had, he had became notorious for not paying people, right? And we know he got the money to pay people. So the fact that he made it right, and this man down there a billion now, if he can find it in his mind to, and compel to make it right, knowing he didn't have to pay or got away without paying, that says a lot right there about growth. If we talk about- Man, I love Birdman. I ain't gonna lie, I always did. Even when he hadn't paid, even when he hadn't, I don't give a damn about none of that. For real. All I'm telling you is what I just told you earlier is being a young hustler who come from the streets, who knew, had a lot of money. But that came from nothing. No, me, I came from nothing. But then I think about some of the stuff I did early on with the money that is quite ridiculous now. You know what I'm saying? Cause at the end of the day, you just learning even to have money. You never had it before. So all I'm saying is, and I agree with you so much on the fact of he made it, he making it right now. He made it right. That's hard, bro. That's hard, man. Your intellectual property, that came from here. Yeah. It didn't come from Turkey. It ain't come from mail. It ain't come from nobody. You see what I'm saying? So at the end of the day, if this is how you eat and there's a, there's publishing set aside for the label, take your portion of the publishing and give it out. I mean, keep yours and make sure everybody else get theirs. But what they was doing is like hoarding the publishing, putting everything under one publishing. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. No matter who made the song, no matter who wrote it, no matter who featured on everything going under one publishing. And then they decide when they feel like giving somebody money, I don't... Okay, give me an instance where you felt like you was a part of something that didn't, you didn't get the recognition for. I never told this story. I know people say that on interviews all the time. Everybody say that. But it's time to tell it, man. Okay. Because I know you're a PMC fan. Oh yeah, I'm a definitely a PMC fan. So they had another artist, I mean, another producer on TRIA, B.J. So me and B.J., we riding from Baton Rouge to Atlanta go on and do some work, right? Now he telling me about the flies or eagle idea the whole trip. You know, he talking about the hook. Like, yeah, man, we need to do a beat. We'll get pimped on the same flies or eagle. So, okay, I get to Atlanta. And this around the time where, you know what I'm saying? My space and all that was like about to go out of the door but it was still a thing. Yeah. So B.J., he met a little something off of there. He chilling with Hong girl. The dude was dating one of the CEO's sister at the time. Okay. So you really ain't had no business doing that. But me thinking I'm being silent. I'm like, man, that ain't my business. Exactly. By the time we come back home from Atlanta, he telling Turg and me, oh yeah, man, I did that flies or eagle beat. We need to put pimp on that woo woo woo woo. Mind you, he ain't touched the keyboard the whole time. Damn. So I did the beat. Pimp came in and laced the hook, but he changed some of the hook. So that kind of relinquished your creative input to it because now you ain't do the beat. Pimp on the hook. Webby got a verse, Fox got a verse. You feel me? At the end of the day, they made me split the publishing or the credits with him like he did something on the beat, but he didn't. And that was really like, that was like the last straw for me. You were doing it. And that's when I was like, what was that conversation like though, when you when they did that? Did you talk to him about it? No, I called him a fucking liar in the, in the, in the meeting. You and who I was in that meeting? Me, Turg, Mel, BJ. BJ was there. Yeah. I'm an honest person. So he knew that he didn't do nothing on it, but still he still roll with it. Wow. Wow. He's like, no, man, I did some more. I made the right. You I'm like, what's I say what sound did you play if you helped make the beat? And he never could come with what he contributed to the beat. So for everybody listening, when you hear flies or eagle with Pimp and Webby, that's all me. You did the whole thing. He came with the idea for the song. Yeah. But he wanted Pimp to say certain stuff and Pimp changed and wrote his own version of it. You see what I'm saying? Yeah. So like I say, that would have, that takes, that takes him out the mix now because, you know, you ain't you ain't right. You ain't do the beat. So and I just left aside with taste in my mind. I know he looked out for dude because that was the dude was dating his sister. You know, so I feel like that's probably was like keeping it in the family or whatever. But they also had the league CD was another CD that Booster put out. And this was around the time where he stopped turning their music to trio because he he realized they owed a lot of money to him. Yeah. So me and him just started doing mixtase on the side. You know, I was producing like the whole mixtape. And so what they was doing was taking certain songs from those mixtase that we put out, repackaging it, putting it under a dummy label and throwing it out and keeping the money. But was that so you tell me integrity wise, does that sound? No, I don't agree with that. But I am saying starting out young, it's tough trying to understand the business. That's all I was saying. But I understand you going to have more skin in the game when it's your, it's your, your stuff, your product. Yeah, they made me, they made me never want to sign to anyone again. Ever. That's how bad because, you know, in music, bro, you may, you may only get one shot to shine or you may only get one chance to really be that person. Right. So if anybody takes your hard work or your intellectual property and they, and they make more offer than you, that's never a win in your situation. No, I get it. So now I'm looking at it, my catalog, my publishing. It's not mine. It's my children's now, you see what I'm saying? So when I'm gone, this is what's going to still pay them. And that's important to try to have all your business lined up just like you wouldn't want to pass without having life insurance. You see what I'm saying? That's right. Same way, that's like passive income. So if you got all the, and especially it's easier to make money with music now because of the strings. A lot of people don't like it, but it's easier to make your money back now. So if you have, let's say you have one song pop next month, that makes all your old songs that you did just that much more relevant now. That's right. Because you have this one song pop and now they want to figure out, okay, well where this guy came from? Oh, he got good music. Oh, he jamming all the time. Okay. So that's why it's important to own your stuff because you never know what's going to be the one. Wow. So have you, do Turkey Mail, do they know that you weren't good with the deal and what everything that happened? Oh yeah, they know, man. I don't cut corners. I don't have how I feel about things. Another thing that too that made me leave was, you remember when they did the Ghetto Stars movie? Yeah. Man, they wanted me to play a crackhead, bro. I was fresh out the military, bigger than everybody had to lay. I'm talking about in shape, you know what I'm saying? Like what the hell I'm gonna play a crackhead in the movie for like, you know what I'm saying? So that was just, it was time to dip. Did you ever meet Steve Bilo? I haven't. You didn't, he was down there with them too. It was probably a different time and that may have been after you left. Yeah, I probably was. Because he definitely, that's how he met Pimp, was through that situation down there. Yeah. Okay. Because I guess Pimp was really, really cool with them. He was. Like that was like family for him. He was. That's crazy, man. Because like I said, being from Baton Rouge, how y'all got like y'all crazy down there with it, man? You got NBA young boy, man. You got a, man, it's a bunch of niggas. You got Gates. You got Gates. You got Bootsy, Webby, Fox, Lil' Phat, Rest in Peace down there. Lil' Phat, Rest in Peace. And that was my baby, right? That was my baby. I called him my baby because that's, I had fat, you know, 10, 12 years old. You know what I'm saying? How old were you? How old, how many years was y'all like? I'm probably about 10 years older than fat. So you went to this funeral and everything? I didn't go to this funeral. You didn't? No, fuck no. I couldn't. It was bad? Uh, I was that close to him. You couldn't deal with it? I couldn't deal with it. Nah, I didn't wanna do it. He actually died at the hospital where my first daughter was born. So that's crazy to me even more. So you know what I'm saying? How long before, when he passed away, had you spoken to him? No, I even, this the thing, and this is just a testament to show how close we were. Even when I fell out with Tria, that never affected my relationship with fat. So even his brother, you know what I'm saying? I'm still cool with him, like, you know what I'm saying? It never affected, and at the end of the day, they was able to draw the line between personal and business, you know what I'm saying? And they know what's going on with what? Okay, let's go back to you first meeting fat because that's the thing in itself. He was so popular but didn't even live it out his success. Right. Like, when did you first meet him and had he ever been in music before you met him? He was just hanging around, you know, he was just always hanging around Tria, always hanging around the studio. But then when he wanted to rap and finally started, you know, wanting to get in it, and he personally said, yeah, I want this dude to help me with my savage. He said, you my producer. That's what he used to call me, like, you my producer, you know what I'm saying? So even his first song, and I don't even know where I could find it, it was a song called New Kicks. I think DJ Chia might have, shout out to DJ Chia. DJ Chia might be one of the only people with it, but that was his first song that he had put out and I did the beat for that. So when I say day one of his career, then I was around, you know what I'm saying? Wow, so when you seen him, how was it just dealing with him? I mean, with me, it was, it was always easy. I mean, he was a jokester, but, you know what I'm saying? Like, that's the only thing that was, he was going to play all day, laughing all day, joking all day, smile on his face, practical jokes, the whole nine, you know what I'm saying? Just a good dude, but I feel like, because I would have to reel him in sometime on the street shit, you know what I'm saying? And be like, hey, you trippin'. But he got this, he had this little fro just like, wait, but when he get this fro, is that a battery thing? Or something to say, I'm fro, they both had that little fro, man. You know, it's just, you know, you grow it out and just tape the sides, you know what I'm saying? Whenever you go do with it, just let it grow, you know what I'm saying? But even somebody like YB, the young boy, you could tell Fat was his favorite artist and he always be saying stuff like that as far as how he looked up to Fat. Fat had that effect on a lot of the young cats that's popular today. He had that effect on them, man. I feel like he had his own movement going, you know? And, you know, a lot of people that are successful from band rooms today are standing on the shoulders of the people that did it yesterday. You know what I'm saying? So without Fat, it wouldn't be no young boy, but without C-Loke, it wouldn't be no booze. You see what I'm saying? Without me, it wouldn't be no love and mister. You know what I'm saying? Like all these guys, it's like we, you know, you have to continue to build on things. So I heard somebody say the other day from New Orleans, no rap care podcast. He was saying that dudes from Ban Rouge always wanted to be like cats from New Orleans and we always want to do their style and I always want to come down. And that's the furthest thing from the truth because we don't work so hard to build our own legacy and our own image. Even if you listen to the music and the verbiage, the language is different. You guys are, this is a lot of talent down there, bro. Even in Ban Rouge, even in New Orleans, even in just Texas, the South period, there's a lot of talent, bro, when you start dealing with this stuff. Even Mississippi, a lot of Mississippi has been coming up here, you know, doing interviews, man, it's just a lot of, man, you got big crit down there. You got David Banner come from down there in Mississippi. Like, man, I had to make, I had to make Shanara like crit because Shanara didn't want crit. She say, he try to sound too much like Chad. Is that what she said? So you and Shanara, we all were cool. Yo, we real cool, yeah. To this day. I haven't talked to her in a minute because I was mad that she didn't let me do a beat on that last project. Okay. Every song that got on that project, she called me before and was like, what you think about this song? What you think about that song? So I damn near helped put that project together. Wow. So that's why I was mad. I had no beats on that mother because you calling me to approve every song or asking me what I think about every song. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But it ain't no bad blood. She respect what you thought. Right. It ain't no bad blood. It's just that, you know, I wanted to help do some beats on that mug too as well as help put them all together. But she didn't really, she wasn't feeling create at first and because she said he used to try to sound too much. And I'm like, nah, I say he influenced by Chad but I don't think he purposely trying to sound just like him. I say, create raw. He got his own little thing on. I was like, you got to check him out. And eventually she ended up, you know, getting some work from him and he ended up making the album. Wow. So he made the album. But that's my boy, man. Like I want to interview the big crit. What about like, let's get back to Baton Rouge, man. Do you think what kind of relationship do you think? And it's just your opinion. Cash Money Birdman got with NBA young boy. You see what I'm saying? I think it's something to this. Why be not the kind of person that going to follow too much of what other people say? Say you correct. So when he sees somebody that he can relate to or halfway respect, I think that's why him and Birdman got that relationship. Because they cool as hell. Yeah. And even when... And I'm all for respecting elders and I feel like, you know, especially somebody like Jay Prince, you got to tilt your head to do, right? But I kind of sided with young boy on that situation. Oh, I seen that. I seen that. You know what I'm saying? Well, he kind of tried to extort him a little bit. Like, yeah, we got your keys. Like, man, you could have just called me instead of it being publicized on a video. So, you know what I'm saying? Like this internet, the day of the internet, then kind of made things a little corny. And I think we got to kind of reel it back in. Yeah. And be men again. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And really just set the, you know, you got to differentiate internet life and real life. Even though they coincide and clash all the time because a mistake in the internet streets will definitely kill you in the real streets. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? But it's just that we got to stop doing everything about making it about the internet. And if there was a situation where you just trying to mentor a young black brother, then you wouldn't have did it like that. The same way I go back to saying, you know, how you were saying, well, they just starting out in the business, they trying to learn as they go. At the end of the day, even if we working out a pack, right, let's say we working out the pack and you the brick man, and I come and get some bricks and you say you gave me two, then it shouldn't be one and a half in this bag and you still expecting to pay me for two of them. You feel me? So it's just about integrity at the end of the day. And if you're going to mentor, do it the right way. If you're going to be a person to be looked up to, do something worth looking up to, don't do corny shit. You know what I'm saying? This internet has been a big deal for everybody trying to understand how to maneuver in this realm. Like it's not the same as everyday living. We know that you can get on here. And it's kind of like when you used to call people back, we didn't have internet. You call people to hang up in their face. It's the same thing kind of, you know what I'm saying? Like you can't really get to a nigga, right? It's just like when we were kids, we called an ass a nigga, is your ass back running? They say, yeah, well, you better go catch it. You know what I'm saying? Like this is the internet. Like niggas ain't really able to get to you. So I can hang up on your face and then just run, or nigga knock it, run. That's what niggas do on the internet, man. And they're doing that because, and I'm gonna tell you why, being that I've been inside the machine lately as far as like the major labels and stuff. Like I said, two years ago, I got Ivy Junior signed an APG. APG is kind of like Atlantic. Mike Karen, that's Mike Karen company. He signed Cupid Shelver. He signed Trill. He signed a bunch of Louisiana acts over the past few years. But being on the inside of that machine, they encourage people, not directly, but they encourage people to stay in beef or have mischief going on because it's the numbers. Yeah. You see what I'm saying? That's crazy. Whether good or bad is the publicity that they want from it. So think about it. If you're getting 250,000 strings on a beef and you got an album coming out, that's 250 we save. You know what I'm saying? I get you looked at just because you in something. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And that's crazy. So I wanted to go back because you never did say, how did you get into the music game? Like, did you grow up with a passion for music? Yeah, I've been doing, I've been, my grandmother on my dad's side, she actually did the Bobby Jones gospel show like three, four times. Wow. As a choir director, her choir performed on BET. So this was like in the 80s, you feel me? So my grandmother, she was cold-blooded with the music, writing, creating, you know, composing. And so there were always instruments around. You're gonna pick up something, you're gonna play piano, drums, guitar, it's something around here for you to do. So you say you bored, go pick something up. You know what I'm saying? So that's pretty much how I got into it. I was reading before I went to school. That was something dope. My mom kind of instilled in me, she would read to me every night for bed. And that taught me how to read early. So by the time I made the kindergarten, I was reading to the class. You know what I'm saying? When it's nap time, I read the story, then I take a nap, you know what I'm saying? So writing has never been a thing. Reading has never been a thing. And I just married them to music. Okay. So what was your first music gig? What was the first opportunity you got that couple? Well, I first got some recognition was probably the, that first song. Loose says a goose don't get me started. No, it was a boosted first. You did that one too, didn't you? No, Mouse did that one. Oh, okay. I thought you did it. Loose was a goose. That devil get up off me. I did that one. You did that one? Yeah. That was a hard one too. Yeah, I sat with that one, man. But y'all never held that one. I built that one from scratch, man. But how did you get your first one? Wookiee. DJ Wookiee, I was telling y'all about he, cause he suggested the beat to boost it. And I've been knowing boosted since a kid. We played ball together. Okay. And yeah, but as far as the music, we wasn't doing music together until that point. And even then, since then, you've done a lot more work with him since then? I've probably done maybe 50, 60 beats for him. Wow. To this day, yeah. Wow, that's hard. Yeah, cause like I said, when he stopped turning in music for Trio, then we probably did about five mix takes back to back to back to back to back. And that even, that even, we even had to have a discussion for that to happen because I had got worried that he was upset that I was doing beats for a dude named Nussey. I remember that. I'm the one that popularized Nussey. Like he was, Nussey was kind of, his music was trash. I remember that street reputation. I remember that. You feel me? And why was he mad? Did we're into it or something? Yeah, yeah. He was into it. That was big, man. That was big, man. That was big in the city. And so he and I kind of, he kind of felt some kind of way about it to the point where I had to call him. I'm like, man, what's up, buddy? They saying, you don't want to fuck with my beats cause I'm doing beats for Nussey. Yeah, I don't really fuck with it. Ooh. I say, bro, that ain't got nothing to do with me and you. You know, we got our own relationship. So I'm like, do me and you have a personal problem? Nah, nah, we good. And so after we cleared that up, then shit, we went on a mix take run. Oh, so y'all started back working after the conversation. We went on a mix take run. See, that only proves. That proves the conversation. All it takes is a pick up a phone call. Don't jump on the social media. Right. All back then, it wasn't really just living right there. It was social media. But it wasn't a lot like that. Right, but I'm just showing how it. Yeah, that was a conversation. Man, that's big. And I feel like I could talk, man. I'm not a person that's afraid to say whatever. You know what I'm saying? Because I feel like if you don't, you can implode and instead of exploding. Exactly. You'll hold on to things so long to the point where they'll piss you off and now they say anger is a punishment on yourself. So if you anger out of town, you really just punishing yourself because the person that probably got you angry ain't even thinking about why they angered you. Then you have, sometimes, you have people around you that treat you a certain way and you know that they're angry, but you don't know what they're angry about. It could be something that would happen 10 years ago and you wonder why they treat you like that. Yeah. And when they can easily just put it on the table and let's sort it out, you know what I'm saying? Man, BG about to come on. That's big, man. That's my dog. BG about to come on. I'm hearing Birdman, them saying that they got this, you know, they coulda do something together. Well, that was the craziest thing is I done three on BG Last's official project. Okay. Not only did he let me produce them, I co-wrote them. Wow. And that's another one of my favorite artists. Like, you know what I'm saying? Pimp, BG. BG. You feel me? Just on my roster, you know what I'm saying? So when I got a chance to work with him and like this dude in the studio really caring about my input, really asking, hey, Savage, you think I oughta do that over? Like, yeah, man, do X, Y, and Z. So when I'm working with Lil Ray Ray and Lil Ray Ray don't wanna listen, but BG wanna know everything I got for the input on this song, then damn, why I'm fucking with Lil Ray Ray? If I'm trying to help Lil Ray Ray get along, you see what I'm saying? So it's like some people don't respect your experience and your resume and some people do, you know? And sometimes it's just a person, personally, because when I met BG, he was just so fun-loving. I mean, so down to earth. He was super nice, you know. Somebody say, let's take a picture. He's like, come on. And he's like, my... BG coming home, y'all. Yeah, they had planned that before he went to jail in Turk, there was a way known Turk to come on. And then if you notice, BG went in right around the town, Turkey. But they had already agreed to do it. And hopefully, man, I'll have the opportunity to produce some new stuff for him when he come home. Well, y'all been talking? I ain't talked to him in a minute. I've been talking to his people. He been gone 12 years, 13 years. We did that picture. See, that's right before he went in. Right there on that picture, right there about T.I. Right there. With the red hat. He just, that's right before he went in. I see, you got a lot of people. Cause I asked that nigga, I said, man, you gonna be here if he were there two days in a row with them. He's like, man, they payin' or they cashin' a check over here, baby. He didn't like to get along, they keep payin'. But yeah, there was definitely a pleasure to work with him. DMX was another one down the earth. Yeah, you worked with DMX? Where'd you work with DMX? In the flesh. What song did you produce for me at DMX? It was a song for a local dude that came. We had DMX in Ban Rouge on some random night, bruh. Really? Some random night and all of a sudden I get a call like, yeah, man, DMX in town. Ooh, we about to bring him out of studio. And I'm like, I'm not believin' it. I'm like, see him. He come, you know, cool. Let's do it. So, man, DMX shows up and I'm talkin' about a bunch of cats I'd never seen come to the studio. Like these, like some hardcore on the block, got whatever you want type, you know what I'm sayin'? Does he have that high energy all the time? He was very high energy. He came in, he was like, what's good, B? You good? You good? I'm like, hey, what's happenin', bruh? Yeah, I'm good. You ready to be like it out, be like it. So he gettin' the booth, right? And so, like, people from Baton Rouge don't really care about a lot. Like, they not star-struck, they don't really trip on stuff like that. But when I say these knuckleheads, just straight from the street was glued to every single word that he's sayin' in the booth, just watchin' him work. I'm like, man, I'd say, man, y'all niggas ain't, never came to the studio while I'm in this bitch workin' here, I'm sayin' and I hear about it. I'm talkin' we got home and just watchin' him like an animal in the zoo, they was just so mesmerized. But he walked around the booth like three, four times, he grod a little bit, then he was like, let's get it. And he freestyle a verse. So he probably did about a good 12 before he messed up. I punched him back in, he finished the four. But like, yeah, just the whole entire time, you know what I'm sayin', like, I'm just thinkin' of myself like somebody. Cause you gotta realize that dude had two platinum albums back in the back in 98. So he could, you know, it wasn't no compare, it wasn't no Jay-Z, nobody was comparing to that guy. You know what I'm sayin' at that time. So, you know, just to have somebody like that that has reached that height musically, as well as a lot of the other people that I work with that I just flat out considered great artists, to be in the same company with them and to be able to say I've worked with them, it says to me that I'm doin' the right thing. You know what I'm sayin'? Yeah, that's huge, man, to be the work with them guy. There was some of the names that you've worked with, man. Who would you like to work with? I haven't worked with Ross, I wouldn't mind doin' somethin' with Ross. I like Ross. Why that nigga that bad, too? He not a pick beast though, that's the thing, he know what worked for him and I think he stick to that. I wouldn't mind. And I, Crit, he's like, Big Crit, yeah, I saw Crit. I've been tryin' to get, I ain't never even talked to the nigga, man. I done talked to a lot of people and I know a lot of people and I done rich out to this man. I done rich up, Crit, I done rich out to you a few times, bro. I don't know if you see Boss Talk 101 nigga, but we here nigga, we in the south, it's dirty, dirty south till I die nigga, you know what I mean? Yeah, I wouldn't mind puttin' my hands up. I love his music. We put somethin' together, but you know how when you meet up with somebody, like, yeah, we gotta do somethin'. Y'all busy. And it just never, it never came. How was his energy though? Oh, it was good. Good guy, good. He seemed like it. Yeah, I met Crit a couple of times. He was just down there with Lil' Kiki last, I think last week, him and uh, be legit. I even be linkin' up with be legit. That's somebody else I wanna work with. Oh, yeah? And let me tell that story while we talkin' about Savage, right? So before we had Celo, we was bumpin' the click. Oh, yeah? So yeah, like 40 was as big in Baton Rouge as a current artist is right now. You see what I'm sayin'? Yeah, yeah. So we was bumpin' 40, be legit, D-Shot, Selly Cell, MCA, all them dudes, right? So I got the name Savage from be legit. Really? Cause be legit was the Savage. It was be legit the Savage. So that was one of my favorite artists. I just took Savage. I was just Savage, you know what I'm sayin'? And the thing about it was, even around the time when I got the trio, I was already Savage. When I did my first song with Webby and a dude named Handy Rest in Peace, it was a song called Old Schools, which is a classic at home. But I'm on that, I'm on that last, I'm on that second verse and I ate the ass up. But I'm on that second verse and I was Savage then, you see what I'm sayin'? So this be fold, Savage, like one, all that. So I was already, you see what I'm sayin'? So people like might look at it like, you know, like somebody might have flown as me, but I got that straight from be legit and other people ran with the Savage. You know what I'm sayin'? So was you the first one to come out with the Savage in Baton Rouge? And you can look at the video on BET Uncut, you know what I'm sayin'? I was one of the first people from Baton Rouge to have a video and on my name is Savage. So Savage, yeah, when you was Savage, cause we know you changed your name, but only cause, and I ain't even wanna change it, but Pimp asked me to change it because... So Pimp C asked you to change your name? Because he fuck with Webby. And that was out of respect to Webby. And he wanted me to change that. Because he assumed that Webby did it first, but I ain't really had no problem with it cause I know I did it first, but I know that's his homeboy too, you feel what I'm sayin'? So he asked you because Webby had did Savage life, one at the time. Well yeah, you know Webby was calling himself Webby Trill Entertainment Young Savage. Young Savage, yeah. And he was like, and at first I didn't, and at first I didn't change my shit. I'm like, man, fuck that. I ain't changing my shit, fuck that. And I'm like, starting to think about it. I'm like, okay, well let me try to some rebranding and see if I can, you know what I'm sayin'? Separate myself from it because at the end of the day, I didn't want my legacy to be tied to nobody else's. I want my own thing, you see what I'm sayin'? So when I came over with the mob god thing, it was just mind over both, but I was growing as a person. What year did you do it? I've been a mob god for about 10 years now. Oh yeah, yeah, that was about that time. So, Savage life, one and two. I have had this conversation these are your homeboys, people that, I say homeboy cause y'all been bad and rude. Boosie. Never had a project bigger than Savage Life one or two. Man, you ain't lying. That's my opinion. No, that's a fact. A lot of people, man, Savage Life one for sure is a undeniable classic. And all that shit got recorded in the Motel 6. Damn! Like I said, yeah, a lot of that shit wasn't getting recorded in real studios because TML used to try to seclude them purposely to make them work, cause otherwise, when you're popular in the city, you're just gonna run around and do whatever fuck you want. And that's another reason I had to leave bad and rude too cause things are almost too accessible. When you get to a certain status level, a certain level of power, you can either abuse it or you can do the right thing with it. You know what I'm sayin'? So I kinda always try to stay on the right side of things but at the end of the day, we know guys that can make things happen. Wow, top three artists of all time did a lot. Top three are Pog. Pog, number one. Pimp. Pimp, number two. 3,000. 3,000, number three. Love your top three, man. That's hard, top three, man. How can people get a hold of you if they're trying to link up with you? M-O-B-B-G-O-D-C-O, that's on Instagram, Twitter is M-O-B-B-G-O-D, Mobgud, everything else, Mobgud. Wow, if you could go back and change anything that happened with you in the past within the last, say, when you were younger, when you was that little young dude starting to music, what would you change? I probably would have kept a job a little longer. Okay, okay. Financial literacy as well because sometimes we look at jobs like it's a hindrance but you have to get to a certain point where you can walk away from that job. The first couple of times I walked away, I probably wasn't ready to walk away but this last go-around when I finally walked away from regular jobs and stuff like that, it's been about six years now but you got to get yourself to that point, you know what I'm saying? Thank you for coming on Boss Talk with me. We live over here, you can come back. You family now. Once you break the mold you hear, it's like, damn, people be like, how can I get in? It ain't no way and it's just spiritual. Yeah. And even the conversations we had before the podcast was dope, that's how I knew it was gonna be a good end. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I ain't nothing like Boss Talk with no one man. We just talking from under the tree. I call it. And I honestly watched the show before I even. You like it. You know what I'm saying? It's different when, you know, if somebody just sent me up here, shout out to GDP by the way. GD my boy! Shout out to GDP. But what did you think when you seen Boss Talk? You're like, that whole whole. I was always watching anyway. Really? Yeah, I'm a podcast kind of guy. Yeah, but we come, we from the South, man. Yeah, but you ask good questions and you engage the people and it's not the typical one too. And then it's always a little more fat like the old dude said, you got a little more fat on your face. It's always something to be taken from the interview. Man. You say some good stuff. Man, I be talking, man. I'm from under the tree, man. I ain't no regular nigga, man. Even last interview I was just sitting over here. I didn't think a while. What you said something about a similar association. Breaks about a civilization. Boy, that was heavy. That's real. That's so real. Because relationships go a lot further than money and I tell people that, especially in this business, you know, people are paid to get in certain people's presence. Yeah, yeah. And you won't even have what they looking for to look at. That's right, that's right. But if you got a relationship with somebody like, hey man, it's my dude. This my dude. I want you all to hook up and what, what, you know what I'm saying? I really don't like doing it no other way. That's probably why I've been like this the whole time. Like if I didn't really rock with you, I don't really rock with you. That's how I don't even with music. I don't want to just do music with anybody or just do music for the sake of saying, yeah, he gonna pay me. No, it gotta be worth something or you gotta fool with somebody that I already fool with or somebody that I believe in, believes in you. Then let's do it. You know what I'm saying? And it's gotta be kind of like a referral thing. Man. It keeps the energy clean too. Thank you so much, man. Mob God, I'm gonna respect you and call you Mob God because that's what you change your name to. Hey man, check it, man. Hey man, make sure y'all like subscribe to this dope channel, man. We trying over here at Down South, Boss Talk 101. Listen, man, say, man, I know y'all don't want to see this end, but about to go down, man. Mob God then came through and blessed the podcast, man. It's been another great segment of Boss Talk 101. What a boss's talk.