 Okay. Welcome to Jenkins Advocacy and Outreach. It's the 29th of July. Delighted that you're here. So we've got eight, Alyssa Tong, Yiraj Singh Jodha. Very good. Okay. Proposed agenda items. I had put DevOps World, Hacktoberfest, Outreach Programs, DevOps Radio, and Jenkins Press Contact. Any other topics we should put on the agenda? I think that looks good. Yiraj, any that you need to add? Yes. So I wanted to continue this question that we had last week. So is that the word here in the agenda? So this is the topic, inviting students to contribute or no? What topic were you thinking, Yiraj? Yes. What campus program? Okay. Good. All right. Let's put it. Campus and Outreach. Campus Programs. Good. Okay. Very good. Excellent. Okay. So, and I'm going to put it right at the top of our Outreach Programs status. The others are mostly status reports, and I think there's probably more conversation, discussion, and what do we do on campus programs? Is that okay, Yiraj? Great. All right. Yes, totally. Any other topics we should add on the agenda? No, nothing from my side. Okay. All right. Alyssa, you want to go ahead? Sure. So DevOps World is taking place September 28th through the 30th. It is an online conference as you see there. The 28th is a workshop day. Main conference days are the 29th and the 30th. There will be a lot of Jenkins sessions there. CDF has a track there. I'm still working out the logistics for the booth. Not sure if the platform can accommodate or the booth, but we're still working on that. I think it can. I have not been told that it cannot. We probably just haven't gotten there in terms of planning yet. We meaning the events team. What else? So the workshop on the 28th, we will have the How to Contribute to Jenkins project by Mark and Oleg. Then- Hang on, possibly Dheeraj. Dheeraj, I think you were willing to assist with this, right? Yes. I mean, it's a late hour of day for you, but I think you've sacrificed before. Okay. That would be wonderful. But so is this confirmed? I think right now we probably only have Mark and Oleg as our instructors on the, well, eventually it'll get on the website. But Dheeraj, if this is confirmed, please send, I think I have your information, at least your bio, right? Because you are giving a session at Dev Ops World as well. So I don't take it from there. I don't know that you've got his bio and I don't know that he was signed up for presenting a session. So are you, Dheeraj, did I miss something? Or could be somebody else? I can be mistaken for somebody else. Yes, I think so. Okay, okay. And never mind. Sorry. But back to your question, Dheeraj, do you want some more time to think about this before you say yes, I'll be part of the contributing to Jenkins workshop? Okay, so for that I need to ask you like what will be my responsibilities? And to me, I would expect you to do about the same kind of thing you did at the contributor summit. Or you share your experiences, you talk about what it meant to you to do it, some of the problems you encountered, you allow people to ask you questions and you provide them answers. Awesome, I'm in. Okay, great. So that's confirmed yes. All right, great. So Dheeraj, if you can send me your headshot and your bio, that's all that I would need from you. Okay, so then we can include you as one of our speakers for DevOps World. Great, sure. Thank you. Yeah. So I'm also reaching out to the Linux Foundation to see if they would be willing to provide a Jenkins pipeline workshop at DevOps World as well. So I have not heard anything back, but I hope that they will say yes. Great. What else? Registration, the conference, right as of yesterday, 3,300 registrations. Good, okay. Excellent. Yep. I think that's it with regards to DevOps World. Okay, so if we could take just a minute, I wanted to spend just a second on this thing and show you what maybe it's best if I put it on screen and that means I need to do something different just a minute. I wanted to show you what Dheeraj and I had created and then how it's, I've extended it since then. So Dheeraj, I just, I went ahead and added some things that were requested by Oleg, but I wanted to show everybody here what those look like right now. And it'll take, I think five seconds or 10 seconds for this to come up so that I can show it. But what I wanna do is you show the pages so we can see the layout that the choosing and you can give comments, certainly code review is welcome as well. So here's what the site looks like now. And if we look at events here under community, Alyssa, you may remember that there was this line before contributor summits and local meetups and Jenkins online meetup. What I did was added DevOps world. Awesome. So that's added there. And when you click this link, it takes you to this page that says, hey, here's the DevOps world picture. If you click the picture, it takes you actually to the DevOps world registration site. And then I just borrowed words from the DevOps world site, minor rephrases, put a big register button here. Yeah. So it takes them to the registration page. Now the thing that I haven't done yet is a Slack channel for discussion in the continuous delivery foundation Slack workspace. I think that's okay. I'm not yet sure that the name is exactly the right name for the channel. It might be that it should be Jenkins at DevOps world or something like that. Yeah. I was going to suggest that. I like that. Oh, good. Okay. All right. So your suggestion, let's do that. All right. So let's, let me make a correction there. And I don't know what Slack channel naming conventions they have, but that, okay. So that was one that's not resolved yet. Social media. It appears that this is the correct hashtag, hashtag DevOps, oops, nope. Typographical error. It's needs to have, where is it? This one needs to have a lower case O. Okay. Now I feel much better. All right. So what I did as well is I put links to previous blog posts and expandable and contracting pictures from previous events. Thank you very much for your in living color blog post from a year or two ago. Nice. So does that, does that seem okay to you? Is that workable as a, I haven't had Oleg's approval yet, but for me it feels like this doesn't feel like a bad page to use. I like it a lot. Thank you. The only thing if I can, if I may ask to add is our, I wanted to thank our review committee and I wanna also make sure that they come back next year. Right, right. That's a very good one. So could you propose text for that into this poll request? Yes. I love that. And in this case, proposing a change is pretty easy. So did you, you saw how I did it, right? What you do is you look at the files that are changed and over here on the left, you click the little blue plus. Got it. And it will bring up a page and then this icon here, insert a suggestion, let you put text in. Okay. So it's, you go from blue plus to the little plus minus and now you've got this thing where you put the text right here. Got it. Excellent. All right. Thank you. Thank you so much for doing that page. Okay. And oh, no, no, I guess I should ask a question here. So when this image that we see here, the large sort of purplish is visible, the free register now button does not take them to register from that. Oh no, it takes them here. So it's still okay. Yeah. They're only two clicks away from register now. Right. So it's not bad. Great. Yeah. Okay. All right. So as far as you can tell that looks good and I've got to get agreement from the CDF Slack channel that we could put it there but I see no reason because they have a track you said at DevOps world. Yes, they do. And we don't have the agenda up yet. So that will be in a couple of weeks. Okay. So... And I wonder maybe it should be topic at DevOps world. Yeah. I was thinking that we add specific Jenkins topics there. And... Right. And if those topics are available as far as I can tell, I haven't seen those topics available yet, right? That's still being determined. Okay. Well, they are determined but just haven't been published. It needs to go through a cleanup and all of that stuff. Fair. I was just thinking we don't want to publish on jankins.io before CloudBees officially publishes. That's what I was thinking. Okay. Great. Yeah. All right. So then that covers any other topics on DevOps world. I think I covered it all. Okay. Oh, wait a sec. We've got one more. Someone just arrived. Aditya, thank you for joining us. We've got a question for you. Okay. All right. So you see, let's see. My screen is still being shared, right? And you see here Jenkins workshops at the conference. So what we're going to do, this is DevOps world, which will be September 28th, a day of workshops, a day that includes workshops. And one of the workshops will be contributing to Jenkins. And we've got agreement from me and from Oleg and from Dirage that will do a session on contributing to Jenkins. Would you be willing, Aditya, to participate similar to the way you participated at the newcomer contributor section for the contributor summit? What you do is share your experience, answer questions, help us with people who may have concerns, et cetera. It's on 28th of September. Yes. Okay. So I am interested, yes, but then I am not sure what's my schedule. You're going to be doing that time because it will be a new job and all. So yeah, I can, I'm not committing right now, but I'm interested for sure. Great. So Alyssa, we'll just keep, we'll hold Aditya right now as a possible. He was a very good presenter at the last session, I presented this with Dirage and Aditya, if your schedule allows it, we'd love to have your help. I would love to be a part of it. Okay, great, excellent. Thanks. All right. So then the other, yes, we've got other promotional efforts that those are coming in the future, right? So that's later. Yes. Okay, next topic then was Hacktoberfest and what introduction to Hacktoberfest at the contributing to Jenkins Workshop feels like a good candidate. We may, that'd be two days prior to the start of it. We could invite people to attend the workshops if they would to register for the conference and attend the workshops if they'd like to be part of Hacktoberfest, right? So that's a, that might be a good theme. What we don't have right now is that, and the other idea was a Hacktoberfest intro slash launch as part of the contributor summit, October one. So Alyssa, this one for me is, okay, the contributing in Jenkins Workshop is done during US East time, right? But this one has the benefit that it's being done during Asia Pacific time. So it will be during the India daytime, for instance. And that for me is even more attractive because it lets us encourage people like Dheeraj and Aditya to be active parts of Hacktoberfest. Okay. Now, what the gap I've got is, I think this group is the best group to plan and staff Hacktoberfest, right? So we'll need to plan for promotion. How do we announce it? How do we invite people? We'll need to have tasks, good first issues. And that's a, that's more complicated because that really requires a larger community to review issues and decide which ones are good first issues. And then we've probably got some administration and we'll need to refer, we'll need to see previous retrospectives for some of the things we learned in the past. Now, part of me is worried about this because this is, this can be a lot of work. Yeah. Hacktoberfest is, is we can, well, two or three years ago, I think we had over a hundred contributions to the project during that month from people who had never contributed before. So it could be an enormous amount of, of contribution. Many times they are smaller contributions and that's okay, they help. Mark, do we send them swag? We do not, well, there's, there's been an option in the past, what happens is digital ocean that sponsors Hacktoberfest offers two, two options. Either they will send them swag or they will do a donation or a plant a tree initiative in, in place of the swag. And, and those, now additional sponsors could offer to do extra swag. However, the bar of entry to achieve Hacktoberfest goals is pretty low. The, the requirement is you get the swag if you complete five pull requests. And all you have to do is submit them. They don't have to be, they have to be valid pull requests but they don't have to have been merged. They don't have to have been any specific threshold. Just the, the act of submitting them and them not being invalid qualifies you. And so for me, that's not enough to say, ooh, let's send them a T-shirt. Gotcha. But it might be enough to say, oh, we're going to mail you a sticker. You know, if, if it was cheap to, to send stickers by mail, we might, but if it's not cheap to send stickers by mail, I wouldn't. Okay. Did that address your question, Alyssa? Yes, it did. Thank you. So any other comments or insights, Dheeraj and Aditya, I believe you've both participated in a Hacktoberfest before. Any insights that you'd want to share? Well, I have, go ahead, Dheeraj, no problem. Yes. So I will just mention that it's pretty easy, as you mentioned, Mark, to get the T-shirt and stickers. You just need to submit the full request and they're not much checks done on what the quality of the full request is. So yes. So there's a big budget that they have. Thanks. And Aditya, your comment? Well, yeah, I agree with Dheeraj, but actually it depends on the organization I would say, whether they want, what kind of a procedure they would like to follow. How strict they want to review a full request to consider valid. And yeah, in general, I think that the open-source culture is really, you know, just push forward. Everyone is doing open-source in that particular one to achieve, to win that T-shirt, basically. And I would say about myself, I did that three years in a row now and I have three Hacktoberfest. Great. So it sounds like both Aditya and Dheeraj, your experiences have been positive with Hacktoberfest. That's good. And the entry bar, the bar to success is quite low, which is also good. That's great. Excellent, thanks. All right, so I think the next steps here are probably prepare a plan that collects ideas and activities from past years, right? And then review the plan and refine the plan based on our capacity. As part of me says, I can't promise to do an awful lot on this, but if we find a small enough plan, I think we can make it successful. All right, anything else on Hacktoberfest? Yeah, I would like to add a small thing. So last year when I was participating in Hacktoberfest, there was this repository on GitHub which had a curated list of other organizations which were providing some kind of a program in parallel to Hacktoberfest, more like building on top of it. So they would name it whatever they like with along with the names of Hacktoberfest and the name of their organization. So I for one participated in that one of those programs. So the system what they have is, you join the Slack channel, you see what problems the organization is facing, what issues they have put out there for users to solve. And there's a organization level private leaderboard sort of thing. And that is when they track what kind of Hacktoberfest the user is making, what is the difficulty level of issue that participant is solving. And according to that, the top three receive some kind of a swag bag or something. So I did participate in one and that light competitiveness actually adds the number of pull request that that particular organization got was more than what they expected. So it was two to three times more. And the organization that I'm talking about is Active Loop. So we can have some sort of a program of this kind as well. So and what was that organization again? It was... Yeah, it was Active Loop which was participating in this kind of a program. Great, okay. So Hacktoberfest Active Loop and that was for last year, so 2020. Yes. Okay, good, all right. So we can look at that and see, hey, are there some ideas we should borrow from them, should use from them that would help us have a more successful event? Good, okay. Yeah, I like that. For instance, I could see us doing something like putting this on our discourse server where, hey, we're going to do Hacktoberfest here as a part of community.jankens.io and on community.jankens.io have topics and conversations that go on there. Very good, all right. Anything else on Hacktoberfest? Okay, next topic then, outreach program status. So campus programs was a hot topic. Veeraj, you want to go further on that? Oops, sorry, I've lost my page there. Yes, so last time we covered the details really well. So I suggested that DSC, the two programs, one by Google and another one by GitHub about the campus experts. So we have Aditya with us. So he can share his experience being the DSC leader himself. So that would be great explaining how it helped the reach of Google in our college and yes, the process in everything. Aditya. Okay, so yes, Sam, I was the DSC lead for my college for the year 2021, for that academic year. And it was the first time that DSC, that is developer student clubs got started in my college. I was the first lead of the college. And what have, this program is all about making sure that Google technology is available to students at the bachelor's level. So when they are doing their bachelor's of engineering, they get to know about all the different various technologies. So this program is like Google has created a team and I think this exists in more than 100 countries for sure. I am unaware of the correct numbers, but it is almost in every major country in the world. And this program, what it does is they, Google forms a team of engineers from their side who are like the mentors for people in various countries and there's a Google DSC India group that was created and that group then interview students from various universities and one person from each university is selected as the DSC lead from that college or that university. And as a lead, what my responsibilities were to one pass on all the information that I get from these people, the DSC India group to my college students conduct workshops for them where I or my team, so I had given that power to actually elect a team of students from my own university where I had the ability to have a team of five to seven people from various women. So they need not be just software engineering, so software, IoT and different parts of software. So we also had one from cloud, from machine learning or mobile app development, all the Google technology, main Google technology fields. And then what we did was we conducted workshops for the students, we made sure that if they had any doubts then we can get them cleared after the workshop or during the workshop, except for that I provided them with the Google providers at us with all the credentials and then I gave the students all those credentials so they were $600 worth of Google code labs where they can learn Google cloud platform and that was one of the major events of that academic year. So basically, this is how the structure is. So Google provides credits and all the information about a new program to the country leads and the country leads give them to university leads and university leads give them to the students. So it's a proper pre-structure and basically, yeah, that is it. So from my experience, apart from just doing a good work in my college, I also got to network with a lot of amazing people. So the leads from all the other college was as amazing and they had their own experiences. So that network guidance and not just in India but they had a slack, a global slack channel. But network was actually a global network and Google has their own platforms like they call a platform called, they have a platform called community leads. I don't remember the extension but it's community leads platform. They call it that. And on that platform, they have all the leads and the mentors from whenever DSC started so it was four, five years back. So everyone was there and we can basically ask for, it is very easy for college students to ask for mentorship and to get speakers for their events. So it is one of the major difficulties that I've found. There were no international speakers coming to our college because it is not as famous as some other universities in India. So people don't really know about it and international speakers will not coming to a college but after this DSC program, even my college got a, you know, it was getting noticed that, okay, there is a DSC program over here and we can come. So it was quite easy for me to ask people to come and give talks or collaborate with other DSCs. Our collaboration was happening on a global level because of the pandemic. So all of our online events so we collaborated across the globe. Yeah, I think I should stop now. Excellent. Thank you, Aditya. Thank you very much. So you're a key resource for that kind of an experience. So Google's program allowed you to both connect to many other people and to provide service and help to students, other students at your college through these workshops and through assembling this team, they provided credits you say and credentials so that people could use those credits. That's great. So Alyssa, I know we've talked about, hey, what could we do? Certainly we are not Google scale. So this is awesome and awe-inspiring to think what Google has done. I'm curious any ideas here of things that we might consider within the scope of what Jenkins has available. You know, how would we reach out in some similar pattern? Yeah, so I think that same question comes to my mind as well, Mark. You know, do we have, number one, do we have the resource? And if we do, I mean, what would be our plan? Right, how would we do this? Like, what would we be? What is our goal, right? So, I mean, this is all great information, but it comes up with so much questions in my head and I don't know how to articulate those questions. But I think, I mean, it would be awesome for us to bring Jenkins to this program. I know that for sure. And yeah, no dispute there. I was wondering, okay, what if, so we certainly aren't going to send $600 of credit to tens of thousands of students throughout India, right? Or anywhere that we just don't have the budget for that. But there's a piece of this that Aditya described, networking with many amazing people and leads from other colleges that is sort of organic and doesn't have a cost associated with it. It's rather that there was a reason why Aditya was talking to other people. And for instance, hosting these workshops for students that show, I mean, what if, for instance, what if we invited students at, let's say, what if we invited Aditya and Diraj and asked them to invite five friends to a workshop on using Jenkins Pipeline or a workshop on how a student might use Jenkins Pipeline to do a better, to do better in their university or the college work. Would that start a sort of a network of people, a process of encouraging others to, hey, come join. Here's this session that we're going to have together. Let's talk about it. How could you use this as a student? You've got an assignment. You're supposed to write this program that you need to submit, but you really should have continuous integration running to help you. Here's how you could do it, that kind of thing. Diraj, Aditya, what do you think, feasible or no, not so much? Well, we do have a final year project as part of our bachelor's studies. So that is something that we all the students do with so much of enthusiasm. So I think we can help students to use Jenkins as part of their final year project. Of course, the domain has to align, but I'm saying final year because that is when people are very enthusiastic about and serious about the project. So we can help them and bring in Jenkins in this equation at that time. So I like that suggestion. So making final year students the primary target, right? So you noted they are more likely because in final year, and that was even my experience long years ago as I was completing my bachelor's was one of the things that I was assigned was what they called a senior project. It was a large-scale effort and it was expected to take significant effort. And therefore I was interested in a broader set of tools than I was interested in the prior years where things were much smaller problems, much easier to solve. Exactly, yes. Okay, that's an interesting angle. I think Alyssa, you and I may wanna talk further about that, about the, hey, use Jenkins on your final year project and highlighting to students at, let's see, and Dheeraj and Aditya, what is the university year of the college year there? Does it start in September like it does here in the US or do you do January to January? When do you begin a college year or university year? Around July, yeah, yes, July, July, August. Okay, so July, August is the start of the university year, of the college year in India, and August actually I think is the start here in the US as well. So maybe what we ought to consider is a Jenkins webinar on using Jenkins in your senior project. So when we say using Jenkins in your senior project, would this be part of the curriculum in order for you to graduate or is this part of the DSC? My vision was neither of those. This is just a webinar that we would invite students to attend and show them how Jenkins can help you do a better job or a faster job on your senior project. Okay, but Dheeraj was referring to like making finals year students the primary target, right? So their final year project would be to use Jenkins. No, no, their final year project is something they will choose, but it will likely it will be a software development project if they're doing, if they're in a software program. And because it's a software development project, Jenkins can help them do a better job on whatever they chose. So all they'd be doing is using Jenkins as a tool, they wouldn't be making Jenkins the focus of their project. I mean, some of them might even choose that, but for me, that would be surprised me. I assume Dheeraj, when you choose a senior project, you choose something that's interesting to you. I wanna do machine learning or I wanna do, I wanna do, okay, I'm gonna say a terrible one now. I wanna do crypto mining. Don't you dare do that just so we're clear, but I wanna do crypto mining because it's the cool thing now, something like that. And Jenkins would then be used in your environment to help you do that project better. Okay, got it. Yeah, yes. So a comment on that line that you are mentioning that title, let Jenkins help your senior project. So this is a very catchy one. So you had kind of been the specific people, so people would love to watch this one whenever. So because whenever I want to, I'm planning about my project for a final year project, I go to Google search best tech stack for my final year project, senior year project. So this will help a lot. Okay, now you used a key phrase there. So I used words from my American University experience where we have the concept of senior. Is the word senior or is it rather final year that is used commonly in your environment? So I usually use final year project. Okay. Yeah, final is more common over here. So some people go with the freshers so for more junior senior, but final is more common. So it's first, second, third and final. That's the norm. So I would also, I would have to take a leave now because I had a meeting at 10 and now it's already 10, 13. Yes, yes. I'm sorry I got to leave, but I agree with Dheeraj that final year students can be the primary target. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thanks, Aditya. Thank you very, very much. Thank you. Okay. So, so if we used this one, whoops, where'd it go? If we use this one, let Jenkins help your final year project. That one we could actively promote in India, for instance, and encourage people, hey, come join us. We would likely need to do that rep webinar. In, in IST, right? It would need to be an India time zone. Doing it in US time zone is, it's got the wrong phrasing. It won't, it won't catch the US students, but there's also a much larger pool of students in India than there is a pool of students in the US. Yeah, I think, I think for this initial step mark, I think it would be a good idea for us just to focus on India. For the time being as, as our starting point. Good. Okay. Very good. All right. So, and, and we're certainly in July, August right now. So this is a, this is a, an interesting place where we could concede, we could visualize, hey, let's propose this kind of thing and do it towards end of August, even this year to see if we can get interest in it. Great. Okay. So how this, what contents will be there in this webinar, like, planning the structure? Is there any idea on that? Like, is there a demo or some just simple ideas or something like that? Yeah, I would think we would want, I would think we would want to demonstrate Jenkins for, let's say, for common topics or hot topics. Right. Where we might say things like, here's Jenkins doing JavaScript development. Or actually that's, let's do something even hotter. Jenkins doing machine learning development. And we've got, we've got some things that have already been done to do Jenkins with machine learning. Jenkins, or maybe doing is the wrong way, helping machine learning development. Jenkins helping, let's see, what are some other common topics? AI development. Or maybe we talk about data analysis development, right? So big data kind of thing. Or Jenkins helping biology. This, this one's a fun one where we could get Yohannes. Yohannes, Yoh, I, oh, I don't remember how to spell his name. I'll misspell it intentionally. And, and, his presentation at the contributor summit was a cool thing on how to do biology research. Also is there any specific, specific reason why you deleted JavaScript? You say specific job. So is there a strong interest right now at, at colleges in JavaScript? Yes. Yes. Great. All right. Good. So then that, that would be a good one. All right. So Mark, do we, a garage, do we need to do like the first one being, what is Jenkins? Or do we already expect them to know what Jenkins is already? I think we will need to tell them what is Jenkins. Because we don't, it's not part of the curriculum and we don't use it normally. So we need to tell them. See, and I was less concerned about an intro to Jenkins than about saying, Hey, look, yeah, maybe, maybe that's the, the, for me, that would be a two or three minute thing of that. So Jenkins will help you do these things. And here's an example of it helping you. And they, they are persuaded, oh, I should investigate Jenkins further because it will help me. That was what I was searching for. So I, I was assuming this was the intro part was relatively brief saying, okay, here's, here's a, here's Jenkins as a concept. Here's why you care about continuous integration, how it will help you. Here's why you should, how it helps your system to deploy automatically for you. Now here are the things that you're probably, you may be doing one of these things in your final year project. This is how Jenkins could help you with that final year project. Yes, this totally makes sense. So it's like you are suggesting them and pointing them to some specific direction and then just leaving them out just to explore on their own, right. Like that. So that's great. So the brief introduction is nice. Okay. Are there other sort of hot topics for final year projects currently at colleges and universities? Do you Raj? And most of them do MLAs, as you mentioned, and other set of people do the development. These are two things. That's pretty hot here. And some do block chains and block chain as well as I did my project and block chain. That's one thing. More security domain, something like that. Oh, security. That is a very good one, right. Security development and particular we've got the, the blog on the four master's students that did their project. Right. So, yes. So this can be a series, right? Mark, like as the. The series of webinars. I think it might, it might need to be a series if, if we get enough, if we get enough people willing to present. So the question would be, could we persuade, swayed Vadek to help us with this, with his four students? Could we persuade you honest to help us with this one? That kind of thing. And I also think like. Oh, Lee. And Damien, who are instructors, right? And they use this Jenkins and we can also. Pick their brain in terms of what they feel would be helpful to teach these students. Right. Very good. Yeah. So, so that's a Jenkins as your project. And this might be an Uli Hoffner. Topic. That one for me is, is more challenging because Jenkins as your project, you really need somebody who knows Jenkins, but I like that. And then we could ask Damien. Helping. Ask Damien to portal. For his insights, because you're right, as an instructor, he certainly teaches, I just don't know how he would coach people to use Jenkins to make their, their learning faster. Good. Okay. So it's going to be a webinar, which is open to all, right? Right. Exactly. Webinars absolutely are open to anyone who wishes to attend. Usually the daunting part about webinars is getting the presenters. And so there's, there's interest in things that already have a topic for some of these presenters. So, you want us and his biology research topic, security development for Vodic and the four students he worked with and Uli's topic. So as students work on this or becomes interested in this, how would they get support? Like if I, you know, if I'm working on it and I run into a problem, how would, how would they get support? That's, that's a good topic. So how to, how to ask for help. And where that feels like that should be a standard part of the, of the webinar, right? Saying, hey, when you have a question, this is where you ask. And this is the group that's, that's, that's involved because it'll have to be community people helping, right? It's not just, you don't get to ask a question to a single person. Here's this forum where you can raise a question and people will answer or people may answer. Good, good insight. Yep. Okay. Any other insights there? So as you mentioned that big program like campus ambassador is not possible, not a priority for Jenkins. So do we, what do you think about conducting hackathons? Good question, right? So Jenkins hackathons at, at colleges, right? And for me, I have a, I'd assume that hackathons are likely, are usually organized by a local person with local interest in, in planning it and running it. Is that a fair, fair way to say it, dear Raj? I'm sorry, I didn't get it. So who usually organizes hackathons at, at in your experience? Is it typically a student or is it more typically a sponsoring organization? So it's conducted by the clubs. As you have written down, and it is sponsored by the big companies. So we can have a hackathon which is sponsored by Jenkins and they would give you so and so swag. If we use this product of Jenkins or that product of Jenkins, so we can make it product specific or something like that. I mean, that's what happens with the hackathons related to cryptography, right? So they have different startups having their own things. So if we use their products, we get this, this swag specific. So that's how I was thinking. Interesting. Okay. So the concept here then might be, we see if we could do a test and the test might be, we invite a club that you're involved in at your school to consider doing a hackathon and the Jenkins project sponsors swag for the, that, whoops, swag, swag for that. So we ship you a collection of T-shirts or something that say, Hey, and then you, now how to, is it typically then that the, the sponsor organization decides whether or not the, the milestone was achieved, the goal was achieved, or is that the club leadership that chooses that? I'm not sure about the exact specifics, but I can give you an example of the part where I want a hackathon and I got a bag from GitHub. So it was just a simple criteria. Okay. So the winner is decided by our college faculties. They look at our projects and they also invited some alumni, some, some, some people over the judge. And so yes, this, this is exactly what you were asking. I'm sorry. So the winners are decided by our faculties and then accordingly the gifts are given. So gifts are decided by the organization like GitHub. And they say that for first prize, you would give you back second prize. You would give you this, this credit or something like that. I see. Got it. Okay. Prizes provided by, provided by the sponsoring organization. And then, and so that then is, then the winners are selected by a local committee, by a local group. Yes. Okay. So the winners are decided by our faculty, professors, other, other local. Evaluators. Got it. Okay. Thank you. Interesting. Very good. All right. So that one I'm going to need to think more about because that, I could see how that, that could ease the view. So the clubs at school are not necessarily associated with any particular vendor or organization. It's not a group that you're a member of and it's, it's independent of, or at least somewhat independent, willing to consider other tech companies or other tech organizations. Yes. Okay. Got it. All right. Cool. Thank you. I apologize. I'm running up against a hard stop here. Are there other topics we need to do before we end our session today? This is, this is great stuff. Thank you. Thank you very much. And thanks to Aditya as well for his involvement. Let's go ahead and end our session today then. Alyssa, I'm just going to skip our other topics. We'll, we'll discuss them the next time we meet. Sounds fine. All right. I'm sorry. Oh no, Deraj yours. Yours was the most valuable part of the session. So, so there is no question that we spent the right amount of time talking through the ideas you brought to us. Thank you very, very much. That's excellent. Thanks everyone. Thank you again. And we'll talk to you at our next session. Bye-bye. Bye-bye.