 There it started now. We're live. So Natalie you have never been on DTNS on a Friday, I guess, huh? Okay, so what Len does is he does a live drawing while we're talking of one of our topics Oh, okay, and then at the end of the show we talk about it And then people can go to a store and they can look at it and if they like it they get a print neat Yeah, kind of like motherboard remember motherboard my comic that was Drawn during our show and oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I forgot about that. Yeah, it was drawn by Mark Brooks the Marvel artist, right? during our show. I'm much better than him. I'm just joking. No disrespect to Mark. Do you know who he is? Do you have a lot of Marvel stuff behind you? No, I do not. I'm I'm I'm I'm I should not as well first. I'm sure he's much better than I am though. I'm sure you are. Oh, no, no, no. I'm sure he's better than me. You know what? He isn't here right now, right? Yeah, it's the only that's the big deal. He doesn't show up on Friday afternoons Well, I don't know if you can see her behind me, but she's on my wall in my Oh, that's me as the Marvel comic. You know amazing. Oh, I can't see. I've got to have it You can't see it. It's right. I see it in the corner Yeah, she's pretty awesome, and she is a caricature of me or at least what I looked like when I was 30 At that time All right, you ready to do this show? Yeah Daily Tech news show is brought to you by people real people like me and a few thousand others Now we understand if you're not in a position to join us right now, but maybe just maybe you're someone who could Oh, let's say once a quarter just four measly times a year take a pass on that double shot No whip Carmel Moco Loco. Who's the what's it you buy every day on the way to work and instead go to bit.ly Slash help DTNS and pledge that money to support the show see value for value coffee for tech news And here's what you get in return This is the Daily Tech news for Friday September 11th 2015 I'm Tom Merritt and joining me today very happy to have CNBC contributor Writer at Natalie Morris calm and former co-host of buzz out loud Natalie Morris. How's it going Natalie? It's good. I muted myself on accident I'm great. Yeah, I was so excited that I had to mute myself because yeah Coming out of me exactly so good to have you along. Thank you for being with us We're gonna talk about an interesting topic a little later on emotions as a service Emotions as a service. Yeah EA as in the clouds. Yeah, okay And I'm very curious to know if that means that something can have all my emotions for me in which case I'm gonna be so zen Oh, yeah, no, I wish that were the case. It's more about detecting telling you how you feel Oh, but they still have to stream through my person. Yeah, don't want to know the motion Yeah, we'll get we'll get to that. Let's let's start off with some headlines though Mac rumors has word on an interesting new feature found by folks who downloaded the first beta version of iOS 9.1 Yesterday Apple has added a setup process that says it quote helps Siri recognize your voice when you say The trigger phrase that makes Siri activate. It's found in general Siri allow Hey Siri Because if I say it it triggers it until you get this set up apparently thanks to TM 204 for the post on the subreddit I guess this could also just be Helping it to recognize that a voice is talking to it, too But what one of the problems that people have is they were watching the actual keynotes There are the actual press conference and Tim Cook when he would say those words would set off their phone Yeah, it's funny It doesn't have any kind of voice recognition that it knows it's only this person should say hey Siri or maybe another brilliant idea you could switch it up so you could decide that you want to call Siri like your bro or It doesn't have to be yeah multiple phrases. Hey, bro because Amazon Echo has that you can have it be called Alexa or Echo either one I bet we'll get that down the road someday But it sounds like this might be a little closer at least to just recognizing your voice I think they probably just don't want people renaming Siri with a name that rhymes with which Bad for branding. Yeah Yeah Mac rumors gathered some info on Apple's live photos tech crunches Matthew Panzerino reports the system will compress frames Around the moment you press the camera button for a file that ends up being about twice the size of a normal photo And Dan Matt notes that the format is still based on jpegs so you can share these photos as normal jpegs Natalie, I know you're harry potter fan and and everyone is calling this harry potter type photos But I was a little disappointed with the live photo thing Why disappointed why because when he clicks it it doesn't just immediately start moving when he tapped it It would blur like it was loading and that kind of ruined the magic for me Yeah, and so I watched this tech crunch video that that you sent me about it And they were saying it's great if you want to Sort of take pictures of your kids so that you get the moment before or after where they're being cute But not the super awkward moment in between that you normally get and I guess I'm just kind of not clear on how you know Yeah, I guess a moving photo. It doesn't have the same like emotional I don't know. I'd have to start to put this in practice. Yeah, I'm so unclear about What I do with that, you know, yeah, because there's plenty of phones who've done the like adjust thing We're like, oh their eyes were closed and you can back it up a frame or two because the cameras are always capturing Uh, and that's what apple's taking advantage of here. Yeah, it's the size of the photo too every time I'm gonna turn the thing off right it says it says you won't get several where you know When we first got the burst mode and we got like Several photos of the same one and then that's so hard to go in and clean It says it'll only be the size of two But even that is too much especially considering most people sort of have those photos that live and die on the phone They never if you sell it people a 16 gigabyte phone these days. Yeah, that's nothing I really wonder what the usage rate is of iCloud in the storage because I think most people are like no No, I'll do something with it later and they probably never do. Yeah, there's probably a humongous ditch rate And low participation in these cloud services, which there shouldn't be But it's just so hard to convince people to do it maintenance. Nobody wants to do maintenance. No, I don't See that reports that ebay is testing a new shipping membership program in Germany called ebay plus Which will allow german users free express shipping and free 30 day returns From thousands of participating midsize and large retailers They only have to sell on ebay, of course program will cost about 19 euros and 90 cents a year starting in mid september Sellers who participate bear the shipping costs, but they get a 15 discount on their seller fees and highlighted listings It's ebay trying to compete with amazon It is yeah, and it's half the price of their amazon prime that's over there in europe, so It's fun Yeah, I I guess you'd have to change your frame of mind though that you can get stuff like toilet paper on ebay And I just don't think that way I definitely when I think of ebay as an auction service, which I know it's it's moved beyond just being an auction service But I don't want to buy used toilet paper at auction. That's a branding thing that they have to overcome Yeah used as a problem Yeah comes to that, but I don't know books or what else, you know, what like what are the products? There's got to be a big bigger category for this like probably books making some clothes and shoes That kind of clothing for sure like getting free shipping on clothing because I mean that's the thing with amazon is you think Oh, I'm going to buy it there because I'll get it in two days for free because I'm an amazon prime member Right, so so they want to be able to say hey buy things on ebay, and you'll get it shipped for free too But I don't know it's it's it's an uphill climb for them. It's a good move. I can't criticize the move though Why not give it a try? Yeah, we'll see if they if it succeeds in Germany. Maybe they'll move it elsewhere Motang submitted this story on our subreddit dailytechnewshow.reddit.com that google and twitter are working on an open source system It's actually google working on a twitter's partnering Uh to load article pages faster in mobile apps The idea is to make the articles pop up instantly when you tap on them The plan would use cached web pages though rather than hosting the content permanently So it's different than facebook's instant articles recode reports google says the pages will display the original ads the publisher sold Next to the story. So this system isn't hosting the content. It isn't changing the content It's just making the content load faster similar to the way those cached pages work in google search But still largely dependent on your data connection, right? Yeah, it's going to have to load at some point, right? So it's going to be eating up Eating up bits, but I think the idea is Everybody's trying to make the mobile web experience feel more immediate Yeah, when you click on a link in twitter or facebook or search There there is a load time that they want to eliminate. I think I like this approach better than facebook Do you? Oh, yeah, I do and but it's the same question that I had about 3d touch is that you know It's going to bring this to you faster, but it's still only as fast as the phone and the connection can do it It's just the operating system is not going to get in the way. And so I think it's just sort of like one less step in programming Right. Yeah, and and I think because it leaves more of the content in the control of the publishers publishers will be willing to cooperate with this more rather in in facebook's Deal the publisher has to work with facebook on it So there's less of a deal-making aspect of it and it's open source. So anybody can do it Maybe this will actually spread and become more widely used A ractor and our patiny both submitted articles about microsoft downloading windows 10 to pcs even If the user has not requested the upgrade Folks who have automatic updates on may have received microsoft update kb 303 5583 Which puts an almost 6 gigabyte file called setup dot exe in a folder called string windows bt There's a Tilda in there too microsoft told the inquirer quote We help upgradeable devices get ready for windows 10 by downloading the files They'll need if they decide to upgrade. That's the end of the quote Uh, they don't add that they do it whether you want to upgrade ever or not If you want to get rid of the folder you have to uninstall the microsoft update Then delete the folder if you just delete the folder the microsoft update will keep restoring it Addictive tips.com has a good set of instructions on that but pushy. Don't you think yeah There's got to be something in their terms of service that lets them just do this Yeah They know they can yeah, it's part of the update a move from the microsoft of your it's surprising to me Yeah, it's a little bit old-fashioned microsoft of we know what's best for you versus the the newer kinder satya nadella microsoft they have tried to project Lately, uh, this yeah, don't don't be pushing six gigabytes of file on me when you have a perfectly good system for requesting the windows 10 update I get it if you download these files ahead of time when I've said, yeah, I would like to get this upgrade eventually Totally fine, but if I've never said that don't just push it on me. Yeah taking up hard drive space exactly right Bloatware bloatware back in august a photo of all the master keys for tsa locks in the us Those are the locks you're allowed to use when you travel on airplanes made the rounds after being published by the washington post Now despite the post deleting that picture It's the internet so the pictures are still around and some security enthusiasts have converted them into 3d printable cad files freely available on github And gadget reports unix geek bernard bolduck has successfully printed out a key with pla plastic and unlocked His tsa lock with it. Natalie. This is the physical world demonstration of the idea that if you make a back door Eventually someone will get access to that back door that you don't want to yeah And this story confused me so much when I was reading and I was like what I thought it was something to do with encryption I couldn't get my head around that it was a real world thing because i'm studying your show and i'm like Oh, this is like to open a grandmother suitcase and steal her bloomers, right? Yeah, I mean do you use those locks when you travel on your suitcase? No, no They're useless. I always assume that anyone somewhere, but I don't know No I assume that people could always break into them and now it's it's even easier So the the translation of this and I think why so many tech blogs are picking this up is If you make back door keys available for whole disk encryption, you're gonna have a similar thing happen eventually Yeah, you can make any. I mean it's just a recipe then yeah Recode reports etsy is partnering with delivery startup postmates for same day and next day delivery etsy asap is what they'll call it It'll launch this autumn in Manhattan and parts of brooklyn and queens Sellers choose if and what products to offer the option on and then they control when they're available to hand off the deliveries Buyers have to pay an extra 20 bucks for the option So if you really want that macrame fast, you're gonna pay for it Yeah, you know what people use etsy for I use it all the time for my kids birthday parties I'm like, oh, I'd like to do this little craft where they you know Pull the fishies that I want the fishies to say their name and the date and you know, you can get really crazy So this is this goes hand in hand with the way Pinterest makes you feel insane And uh, I can see you I I would probably spend an extra 20 dollars If like a crazy craft that I did not need came into my head Well, you totally convinced me like you're doing a birthday party and you have 20 place settings And you suddenly realize you need small rabbits and somebody's got 20 small rabbits on etsy that they can Customize to say like the theme of the yeah, if you can get that same day, that's worth 20 bucks for sure Oh, it's it's something that you know later on I'll look at my budget and be like there's no way I should have paid 40 dollars for that But in the moment I can certainly convince myself that I do because yeah We we go crazy for things like that the crafty stuff, you know, once you go down the rabbit hole of that Pinterest etsy stuff Yeah, yeah Totally you through the looking glass Necessary is not even a relevant word Wired magazine reports that five years ago researchers at the university of california at san diego and the university of washington found a vulnerability on a gm vehicle But chose not to publicly name the make and model of the vehicle rather shared the exploit code directly with gm It took gm five years to fully protect its vehicle from the hacking technique Which used on star's computer to manipulate the braking system of the 2009 chevy impala The researchers said they believe gm took so long because of an industry wide lack of security preparedness When it comes to internet connected cars Hmm Fishy well, it's it's an example of how cars need to catch up in the security game Oh, yeah, I think it's another example of recently black hat this summer We saw a lot of vulnerabilities that were made public and they got fixed faster You you always get things fixed a little faster if you put some public pressure On the on the maker if you let them know hey, this is going to go public at this time Uh, but but these researchers say we we don't think that would have worked We think they were they just weren't prepared to fix these sorts of things and that's why it took them so long Yeah, but that's right, you know choosing not to publicly name. Oh, oh, that's just in the release Yeah, it wasn't at the time. Okay. I miss read it then. Okay Wednesday the internet assigned numbers authority and the internet engineering task force officially designated dot onion As a special use domain for websites hosted on the tour network This means the domain can only be used on tour and dot onion admins can now obtain security certificates easily And if you think wow, this is this is for bad guys on the dark web That certainly exists But don't forget there's things like a facebook site on dot onion That exists for people who live in countries where facebook is blocked but want to use it to communicate There's other positive reasons like that out there Yeah, but it does seem kind of prohibitive to get to get on it. So you have to legitimately have a need for it Yeah, it takes it takes some work to get on it and basically what this does is they can now make their sites more secure because they can be issued SSL certificates and nobody can go and register dot onion now in some other way officially And then you'd have confusion because there's this dark network dot onion and an official dot onion now They're both one in the same. So that's kind of the biggest fallout from this. I think And that is a look at the headlines All right, so here's this article from fortune barb d'arrow Great reporter has an article on emotional recognition. She mentions two startups one called affectiva And one called emotion who are doing emotional recognition. So it's not facial recognition In fact affectiva says we couldn't tell you who someone is Based on our database, but we can tell you what emotion They're experiencing they have a repository of more than 2.7 million faces from 75 countries They can distinguish between a smile and a smirk. They can measure engagement whether the person is actually paying attention And it's being used in advertising. So Focus groups of volunteers for instance, we'll turn on their web cameras and their reactions will be measured and and assessed The afdex project from affectiva they describe as emotion as a service So in other words, you can send your video to be processed and they'll send you back the data points about it So there's a big data aspect of it as well telling you like oh, they person paid attention this much They felt these emotions at this time. There's also an sdk for apple android and windows To add it to your apps and that's something that right now they're not charging for So you can have emotion detection happening on the device itself. It doesn't use their cloud service for that It just happens in the app. So they say well, this could be good for game makers Maybe have the game react to what emotions you're feeling and natalie They standardized the model for seven emotions anger sadness discussed joy surprise fear and contempt And they can tell 15 different facial expressions Okay Well, I mean I can think of a million different ways to use this Um, but I also kind of feel Scared about the implications that maybe an advertiser could involuntarily take this information and say oh This makes them feel this or that I feel like my emotions belong to me what I click and what I decide to see That i'm okay with you know, you give me a banner ad maybe it's relevant Maybe it's not I click it you've measured me in some form or fashion But like my emotional response. I I feel it's like kind of private about it Well, like with all kinds of ad measuring there's the opt-in versus opt-out situation But there is something a little bit extra creepy even if you're opting in saying, okay, I'll let you look at me I tried this I went to um, I think it was on affectiva's website Where they uh, it might have been on emotions though I wish I I wish I could remember now where you can try it out. Oh, no, it was emotient dot com emot ient You can try it out. You can say All right, uh, let you can you can access my camera watch me while I watch this ad And then give me back an evaluation of of how I felt while I was watching the ad Even though I was opting in I'm saying, okay, I'm gonna let you access my camera. It was creepier Yeah, then just saying oh, I'm gonna opt in to you putting a cookie or I'm gonna opt in to you You know tracking my usage on the browser, right, you know, they're watching you know You're being watched and if and and I think that what you're you're You're pointing at is the idea that you could opt into this and then forget suddenly means that now Your honest emotions are being tracked along with your web behavior How and that's a lot of data to be interesting to people And were you able to have a legitimate response to things knowing you were being watched or is it like a Call a dig at night. It's like what do I do with my head? I was listed as 97 engaged while watching an ad for Doritos, I think Because you were hungry I had neutral I had neutral emotion until the very end when it listed a little bit of contempt All right, you really don't like Doritos then It was the ad where the guy is like trying to keep his airline seat from people So he's blowing his nose and reading about bowel movements And then then he sees an attractive lady. And so he pulls out the Doritos bag And that's when the contempt on my face showed itself I mean, it was kind of cool that that I'm like, yeah, it's actually how I felt like you totally nailed it right Hmm Okay I don't know could you use it as therapy where you just like cry into your camera and then send it to your therapy Little ai the software pops up and it's like you have post traumatic stress disorder Yeah, I mean, I think there are some positive uses to this. You're absolutely right like having people understand their emotions I could think of post traumatic stress You know uses where people may not be, you know, getting a hundred percent in touch with how they're feeling None of that was described in any of this stuff point that you make is that Like we largely live in a society that has a very hard time understanding our own emotions But yet there's software that really wants to get into this and You know, I think better that like I don't know. It's not an either or right like this software wants to understand us We are primates. They're pretty Clear things we do with our face that correspond with very Specific emotions. So it's doable and it's fine Um, but I think better that we understand ourselves first better than the marketers Yeah, I I I agree. I think the idea of robots being able to use this To better get along with humans and understand what their emotions are. I think that's really intriguing It started making me think of data's emotion trip from star trek the next generation like It's fascinating that they can do this well At at at emotion detection. It does seem like they they do pretty well On the other hand when they're saying, oh, well, we don't track facial recognition You you have to trust people that they're not doing that There there is one of the uh implementations of this Is a Hershey promotion with wild blue tech and fictiva where they put a vending machine That will give you a Hershey's kiss for free if you smile at it So if it tells you're smiling gives you the free candy But they say they say well, we don't store the faces in there But we do work with a separate company that can do facial recognition to make sure that people don't get multiple pieces of candy per day I got an idea. How about you use this for your password? It's a different type of bio authentication where it's like remember the contra code was up up down down left right left right So you'd be like right? happy sad happy sad angry pissed off That's interesting like I wonder if you could combine It goes back to what we were talking about with siri If you can train siri to have its own voice to know when you're saying it versus someone else saying it Can you train this to recognize your particular emotion in a certain order? Yeah, as a password. I mean that's unhackable come on It could be when nothing's unhackable obviously, but that's pretty that's pretty high up there, right? Yeah I like I got all the good ideas Anyway, this is this is interesting stuff. So go go check this out uh fortune.com if you're interested in it I I think the technology is impressive, but as we were talking about it's it's always in the implementation And what it's used for and I would like it to be used for not just Advertising and focus groups. I guess it's better. I guess we could better add something though But of course it starts with advertising where the money is, right? Yeah our pick of the day Uh comes from mike who sent in a pick for the application. Thessa. That's th Essa Mike says it adds a notification center widget that lets you control your nest thermostat without unlocking your phone or opening the nest app It gives you simple controls allowing you to raise and lower the temperature along with some other useful tidbits Mike says I've been using it since it came out and have not had too many issues Since their recent updates and if you look it gets three stars on the itunes app store But a lot of people are saying updates have fixed some of their issues with it So it's only for os 10 and ios, but you might want to check it out dv8.nl Slash tessa Mike seems to like it. I might give it a shot. Actually. Do you have a nest thermostat? Natalie? I do and my husband and I fight over it constantly, especially when we get in bed And i'm like it's too cold the air is blowing on us and he's like it's just right So I pretend that i'm doing something else on my phone when i'm actually and I always get busted No, key changes the password and then that that actually We we got a really big fight of us like you don't love me. You don't care if i'm cold over the thermostat No, it's a serious issue because it makes me feel like his bodily comfort is more important than mine It really makes i know i'm laughing about it But i'm like it makes me feel like you don't care and so he's like no But you know everyone else in the house is sweating and you're freezing and so Yeah, I would love this where I could covertly change it But then it you know because otherwise I lie i'm like oh my sister texts me So I just needed I need a different way to be more covert Well, if you try this for ill or for good Let us know what you think folks Send your picks to feedback at daily tech news show dot com and you can find my picks at daily tech news show dot com slash picks Got some emails here. Scott in london doesn't think the uk is as lacking in tv apps as you and did on yesterday's show He mentions tv player for live broadcasts for instance But scott says quote what we are lacking is the cord cutting drive that exists in america pay tv and cable tv in particular Has never been anywhere near as prevalent as it is in the us So the apps are nice to haves not ways to free yourself from comcast He says I don't think virgin media inflames the passions the way the comcast appears to in the united states You guys still have cable Natalie. Oh, yeah, and I don't know if it's just kind of All around america and to hate your cable provider Yeah, keep it but hate it Yeah, and apparently in the uk Not many not as many people do that that's an interesting perspective Uh from another party sort of familiar with the matter Uh in less sexy than musky spacex space news This person wrote in that arojet is buying ula The united launch alliance and says it's kind of a big deal as it means that their ar1 rocket could move up to the prime Replacement launch vehicle pushing out the current jeff bezos incumbent blue origin So big news in the private rocket space and I just think it's crazy that we have competing rocket companies Uh acquiring each other and battling to become the the uh incumbent launcher Yeah Oh, yeah, and I remember having this discussion on buzz out loud way back in the day that just nasa was no longer the leader in You know space aeronautics and it's just so crazy because in our childhood they were They're becoming like the f a a right. They're becoming the people who who guide things and they're they're doing more than the f a a They're still obviously building a lot of rockets and an asteroid exploration and martian exploration Uh, but yeah, they are they are sort of the ringleader for for these sorts of private enterprises. It's fascinating. Yeah Uh finally rapid eye thinks apple will still have a hard time selling iPads in the enterprise Despite the large size of the ipad pro the keyboard and the help they're getting from companies like sisco and ibm Rapid eye says What's been holding back ipad sales in big companies isn't the size the stylus the keyboard? It's itunes apple requires an itunes account for every device and does not allow multiple accounts on a single device This has a couple of major issues for big corporations I can sit down on any computer in our corporate domain log on with my active directory credentials and instantly access all of my resources services and applications in a manufacturing environment It isn't uncommon to have dozens of people sharing the same computer Until apple decouples apps and access from itunes and supports multiple accounts per device It won't make any more headway into corporate it than it has up until now It's a really good point, especially the multiple accounts thing if you have it seems so obvious I don't know why i've never thought of it. It's just so such a so brilliantly simple If you want to use a big ipad pro on a factory floor or a construction site or something like that You're going to want to pass it around it's in in certain situations and right now It's kind of a clue. I was looking around at the different solutions There are plenty of ways that people are dealing with this if they want to use ipads, but it's not it's not elegant Hmm, you would think apple would come up with something like that. Yeah user profiles and And I know that's why they're partnering now. Yeah I people have been wanting multiple account log in on ios for a long time so I don't know I I think that's one of the reasons they've brought in companies like ibm to kind of help smooth those implementations for people It's a testament to apple. I guess that people want to implement that anyway Yeah, do you know if there's any kind of solution for an android tablet for this? Yeah, you can do multiple logins on android tablets, which which ones all of them Yeah, you just you just log in you can have a different google account or you can do apps on the domain I'm not sure exactly if you can do your own In-house, but I assume if you if you don't if you do apps on the domain, obviously you can But I you know, I don't know about non apps on the domain. It's it's a clue. Yeah Well, thank you rapid eye for that and thank you natalie morris. This was great somebody in chat called it a mini bol It was Let folks know where they can find more natalie obviously natalie morris.com She's contributing on cmbc anything else coming up No, um, I've been doing a lot more writing over on my own site natalie morris.com and I'm I'm moving I'm doing you know, still tech stuff, but um Also, I've become kind of an auto-didect when it comes to personal finance I am self-taught, but I'm sort of starting to write about what I've learned because I love home finance and I sort of dubbed myself the chief home officer Which is a project that I've just it's just like a fun way for me to learn to brand myself because you and I know It was easy when we were at sea net to let the network like Brand our show and be in charge of our brands and stuff And then when you really like take the bull by the horns and say i'm gonna be in charge of this myself and build something That's my own terrifying But i'm making myself do it because it's a personal passion and because Why not, you know, so if you're interested in personal finance, please join me over at natalie morris.com and uh Yeah, I still do the tech stuff too. So that's always good with a spreadsheet too You know, I love me some spreadsheets. I made a jingle if I had a podcast I'd have someone do a little like spreadsheet time Nice if you get to that point. I might I'm thinking about it. We'll see check it out natalie morris I feel like I would need you guys along like you do it so well on your own, but How am I going to do that by myself? Yeah, well you get guests. You get amazing guests Yeah, or a puppet or a puppet. Sure. Why not? It's puppet finance. I think you might be onto something, especially if you put it on youtube too. 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Oh, uh, well, you know, I told you about this earlier That I didn't know if this is gonna work or not But I hadn't drawn you into the uh the drawings time for a while. So I I did a bunch of drawings of you Uh, this is the seven models of emotions and let me uh, so here's there's anger There's sadness There's disgust we're not seeing them You're oh wow Here we go. That's why you know why is because I thought that you had forgotten me. So I didn't I'm sorry len Okay, so here we go Let's try. Oh, I love it. So here are these seven models of emotion All right, so I hadn't drawn you into these in a while tom. So here we go. There's anger Oh, wait a second. There's anger There's sadness. We'll say tom There's disgust There's joy Surprise, which is interesting is very similar to joy. Yeah, a little bit more Fear that's the one I always draw you at and um and contempt Donald trump China I like it China That's awesome, Len. Do you have like total embarrassment? Oh It's just a blackout screen Yeah, exactly. There you go. Yeah Uh, these are amazing that the seven models of emotion Well, these are the ones that you've pulled these like right out of their their technology too. So it's perfect These are the these are the seven and it just happened to be contempt was I think contempt is an interesting one for sure Yeah I was it was funny that that was the only emotion registered when I watched that Doritos You must have been making a trump face Well, these are fantastic. Uh folks, Len Peralta store.com Uh, if you if you haven't uh, if you haven't been watching the video go look at this It's weird to see my face But they're good Especially the trump we'll see if it works I was very one of those things that I didn't know if it was gonna work or not It was a very esoteric type of story, but I you know try my best. Yeah. No, this these are great Well, you guys I gotta jump off. Thank you so much for having me on Yeah, always good to see your e-face. Nice to meet you, Len. Nice to meet you as well, Natalie. Okay. Bye. Bye everyone. Take care And that's the end of the audio episode I'm sorry, Len. That's sorry. No, it was usually we have someone who is who is not usually here You forget about that But I never all I never entirely forget That was weird because when you were because I was following along like oh, he's gonna he's gonna Come back here and then you went straight to the patrons thing But you just and then I'm like, oh I guess he forgot and then I thought well, maybe he'll do it, you know, he'll come back Then you didn't and then you didn't come back Well, I got I got into the email address is what I when I realized what I'd done Uh, and I like oh, well, I'll just carry it on through and then we'll put it in as an after That's that I figured that's yeah I'm easy to forget because I don't I don't talk Well, that's part of I mean It's just it's it's all on me though. It's not there's no other excuse Yeah, but we haven't done it in a couple weeks. So It's good stuff though. It's just weird seeing my face Yeah, I was thinking about that. I mean only weird for me. It's not weird for anybody else Let's do this. It's probably weird for donald trump, too It is Is my trump. Oh, no Donald trump loves seeing his face Probably let's not get that wrong Even right there in bold tom show len art. I just bolded it actually for myself Oh I'll put it in like blinky blinky highlight Time Maybe you're sicker than you think tom. Yeah, maybe more sleep. You did a good job getting through this week feeling not well So yes, now you can relax. No excuses We'll just boo you Oh We're gonna pretend that we feel about as bad about this as you do Would you like a title? Yes, let's have some titles. Okay. Uh, we've got one more ad comma with feeling Uh contempt for doritos, which I love Um seven deadly emotions real world back doors Um This looks like you're crying. Would you like help? Uh 97 engaged emotified, which I like I liked onion adds a layer. I thought that was fun. Yeah Onion house many osi layers Yeah, onion adds a layer is good Happy sad happy sad pissed off greater than Advertisers wouldn't like me when I'm angry Oh, look at the deep cuts here Use anchor to change the temperature I like one more ad with feeling. What do you guys like the best? I think I like that Yeah Yarp one of distoritos in the high in the headline Yeah Yarp Narp Narp All right, one more ad with feeling it's exporting now How's the patreon going lenn? Uh, mine, uh, it's kind of it's kind of stalled out the lend per altar one Uh, well both are going to stalled out like the the lend per altar one definitely stalled out Which we forgot to talk about at rank count. We're just Yes, I got that 10 state and then And then the lend the lend one Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to figure out what to do with it. I mean, I it's it's it's still it still happens There's content every week and but I don't know if it's compelling enough. So So you're you're cruising but you're not gaining is what you're exactly. Yeah. Yeah, it's I feel like there's a little bit of a summer effect on patreons There's always been a podcast summer effect. I'm sure you know We're like you're you're you have a little dip in subscribers or dip in traffic. Yeah During the summer. I think it's just because people are moving around. So I wonder if that I don't know. I think I mean the people that that support me are supporting me But it's really hard to gain new supporters, you know, yeah, like I you know it's uh I don't know. I don't know. It's a conundrum, but I'm happy with what I have right now I mean, I there's content there every week and I'm it forces me to do a Little speed drawing video. So yeah, I see you doing the videos all the time Well picture on dot com slash lend that's where people should go go back and right now. Just give him a buck Yeah, a buck. Um, I'd be happy be happy with a buck Gordon McLeod says the summer effect is on twitch too So that could be part of it. Maybe you'll pick up now with kids coming back to school See I hope I do Yeah, it's one of those things where ocean. Are you feeling right now? Lynn? Uh, I am feeling sadness. Yeah Can you show sadness then? Yeah, I will show sadness I'm feeling like this. Yeah Sad's always sad I'm feeling that way um and then and then I feel like this But mostly like this Don't be sad Sad tom is sad. Um Where is the emotion for sleepy? Oh Uh Because that's what I have right now. Hi sleepy right there That's a nightmare. He's having a nightmare I'm gonna figure out dinner Dinner Oh, and uh, Jenny, I didn't I didn't tell you I saw the um, you hung up a bunch of stuff this weekend I did. Oh my gosh. We didn't even talk about it. Look, it's right behind me Uh, you can't see this bad lighting, but um, look there it is. Yeah, I saw it. It's really cool All in this together poster and then right next to it. I framed my favorite ones, which is dr. Zuck hatton and uh Molly just in the dtns altar it starts with tom and that's it with the one in the middle Oh my one of my true favorites is stop hacking us. Oh, yeah, that's cool. And then I even have a sneaky one Can you see it down here, which is my oh Yeah, see Amazon one, right? Wow, weirdly limited wall space. Where's Waldo? Yeah So I hung all the things this week. It was so much fun It's pretty cool And it only took me a year That's all right. I have so much art here that I need to I need to put up So I have so much I have a big thing like I have a Canadian postal box I don't know why I have a Canadian postal box, but like a bin full of art It's like art art from geek a week. It's stuff from scott like I just need to put it up It's framing stuff is more expensive and yes time consuming And a weird like hole in my comfort zone of like banging because I got all the renter Yeah Oh, yeah, I'm right It's hard to bang what holes and walls I have all the job on radio stuff from back in the patreon for that kickstarter for that. I mean Yeah, I've got I've got a ton of I've got a ton of art Like I got some a plaid stuff. I got I just have a I have a ton of stuff It's good stuff too Um, what was I uh gonna say I forget but it was Yeah We should let len go len go do dinner len just please know when when I for when I forget It's only because I'm an idiot. It is not because I in any way think less of you or don't enjoy having you do these I absolutely adore that you do this. I think it's fantastic. You've got a lot. You've got a lot going on And I figured it was just one of those things where it was. Yeah, don't worry about it. Um, I'm sorry It's a persmolta Oh, yeah, there you say hi julien. Hi persmolta wave Hey julien. Hi They're saying hi here. I'll let you hear Hi julien. How are you? good Oh Good. Are you hungry for dinner? All right. What do you want to eat? Yeah, yeah, what what would you like to eat? uh Sweet salad chicken There you go, sweet salad chicken it is. I like that too. That's one of my favorites. That's delicious That's funny. All right. You're making sweet and sour chicken now. I guess either me or my daughter. So yeah All right guys, well, we'll see you uh, see you next week then. Yeah, see you next week We'll see you feel better. Thanks you too, mr. Snot And goodbye everyone on the internet. We'll see you monday