 Hello and welcome to another special October edition of Fright Fleeve Forgotten's Trash or Treasure! Before we get started, what are we drinking? The Demeter's Fate Russian Imperial Stout. Ooh, 8%? Yeah. You feeling this later? Last year, we tackled Halloween 5 for Season 5. So for Season 6, we'll continue tradition and tackle Halloween 6 and give it the Trash or Treasure treatment. Halloween 6, The Curse of Michael Myers, is directed by Joe Chappelle. No relation to Dave Chappelle. No, sadly. Imagine if Dave Chappelle directed a Halloween movie, it actually would be fucking brilliant. Yeah, I think it would. This movie stars the man himself, Donald Pleasance, right? We don't need to go into what he's done. Paul Rudd is in this. We also don't need to go into what he's done. He's a big actor. This was one of his breakout roles. Mitchell Ryan is in this. He played Riker's Dad in The Next Generation. Ambu Jitsu. They're playing Ambu Jitsu. And he's in Lethal Weapon. So Halloween 6 starts off six years later after the events of Halloween 5. You see this weird room with all these candles and people in these robes and shit. And Tommy Doyle is narrating, saying it's been six years since the disappearance of Michael Myers and Jamie Lloyd after that fateful night of massacre at police station. We see this girl who is Jamie Lloyd giving birth to this baby and these weird druids are like delivering the baby that man in black from the end of part five who broke Michael out of jail. He takes the baby away. There's this midwife who kind of sympathizes with Jamie's cause here. She steals the baby back, gives it to Jamie and shows her way to escape. Michael Myers is there, he's following her and she gets into a truck and drives off. Michael gets in another truck and starts trailing her. He can drive. Yeah, as we saw in the first movie and the fifth movie, he can drive. We're reintroduced to Dr. Loomis. He's enjoying his retirement, listening to the radio and they're talking about the events of Halloween. Whatever happened to that, that old Loomis guy? Is he dead? Is he dead? We're not dead. He's very much retired. He's like barely alive when this movie is on death's fucking door. Speaking of death's door, he gets a knock at the door and it's his old buddy from Smith's Grove, Dr. Wynn. Cheers to your retirement, Sam. By the way, would you like to come back and work at Smith's Grove? What an asshole. They hear the radio, this call-in show. Girl calls in asking for help, begging for help saying Michael Myers is chasing me. I need your help, Dr. Loomis. If you're out there, I need you. It's Jamie. She's reached a phone at this bus station. Michael catches up to her at like this barn. Takes her by surprise and throws her on this fucking threshing machine. Just before she dies, she tells him, you can't have the baby, Michael. Get out of the baby, Michael. He goes to get the baby out of the truck and it's just this roll of towels. We then get introduced to a grown-up Tommy Doyle from the first movie. Tommy Doyle was the boy that Laurie strobes babysitting way back in 1978. He's a grown man now living in this boarding house. Yeah, like doesn't he have a job or anything? He's a bit of a recluse and a bit of a weirdo. He's like the town weirdo now. Become like a Michael Myers fanatic. We also get introduced to the new Strode family in town, right? They've moved into the old Myers house because we learned that the Strode's, they couldn't sell the house, so he just moved his asshole brother into the house. And this family is very dysfunctional right off the bat. The dad is super an asshole. He's all chopping down that sign on the line. That's enough of this Michael Myers bullshit. He's all wearing that robe that's way too short. It's all like his wife's robe. It's super tight. See the curves of his ass when he turns around to walk away. He couldn't just pull the sign out of the ground. He didn't need to take his hatchet to it. The dad is not happy that the daughter had to move back in, right? With the kid. With the damn kid, right? You know that little bastard of yours. And he sees the mom slip her all this money. He's like, God, yeah, it's real good, Deborah. Here on second thought, why don't you give her all her goddamn money. Throwing all that money at her. She tells him, you're the only bastard I see here. He slaps her. There's a knife at his belly, right? And it's the little boy, Danny. Danny is seeing visions of this man in black, right? He's hearing voices. Tommy was listening in on this whole radio segment. And he deduces from what he heard that she was at this certain bus people, right? He goes to the bus station and he ends up finding the baby. He takes the baby and he goes and he actually runs into Dr. Loomis at the hospital. Tommy Doyle. Yeah. Actually, Loomis has turned completely around. Yeah, he's like, oh, Dr. Loomis. Well, you didn't even see his face? Yeah. How do you know it? It could just be some useless old man. He tells Dr. Loomis that he's got a theory about Michael Myers. Meet up with me later. Loomis goes to the Strode house. He wants to warn the current family that Michael is going to come back here. Gives the mother this wicked speech. This rage that's inside of him. Classic Loomis speech. Exactly. The mom actually phones the dad and he's all at work and everything's dressed out. She gives him shit about not telling them that this is the old Myers house. He's like, god damn it, Deborah. He's letting strangers into our house. What the hell are you doing over there? He all pulls the bottle out and starts drinking. She goes to leave. Who gets into the house? Michael Myers, right? She starts getting into these sheets and everything that she hung up. And she turns around and Michael's there with that fucking hatchet. The same hatchet that the dad is using to cut down that sign. And just whacks her. The dad comes home and he's all pissed and drunk. He's got the shirts all untucked. The lights go out. So he goes downstairs and the washing machine is on. The power's out. So how is the machine off? Yeah, it's kind of strange. He opens it up and there's all these bloody sheets. Michael Myers is there and Michael stabs him and then rams him into like the circuit box. He starts getting electrocuted and the basement's all glowing and flashing. And his head explodes. This fucking blows up. Tommy takes Cara and Danny back to his place and he tells them, well, it's not safe to be in the Myers house. Proceeds to tell her about what he thinks is going on with Michael Myers and this whole thorn theory, right? The theory about the stars aligning into the thorn symbol and etc, etc. And that's where we're going to end the plot. So if you want to see what happens with Tommy Doyle, Dr. Loomis, Cara, Danny, and this thorn theory, keep watching Halloween 6. So Halloween 6, trash or treasure. Let's start with the treasure as we always do. It does really feel like a Halloween movie. And that's I think it feels like it takes place during Halloween, during fall time. It looks like a Halloween movie. You know, lots of leaves, pumpkins. It's got a really good atmosphere to it. A good vibe, a Halloween vibe. You got a lot of the sets too that they use, right? They're lit really nice. And there's a lot of fog and mist like in the beginning when James getting chased. Looks really cool. Yeah, it is a good looking movie for sure. That scene where that one guy gets his neck all broken. Like it's like foggy and it's dark. It feels like a cold Halloween night, you know? And that's exactly how it should feel. And it does feel like it takes place in the same universe as all the other Halloween movies. There's a lot of good callbacks to the first movie, Strobe Realty. Like in the first movie. And they tie that in like they're still trying to sell the house. Yeah, yeah. And it's the Myers house, right? Yeah, they're still trying to sell the Myers house. Mrs. Blankenship, they reference her in the first movie. You got Tommy Doyle, right? From the first movie. And a lot of the music too, right? The theme, they still keep the same theme throughout. The other melodies from the first Halloween movie are in this movie. And it really makes it feel like a real Halloween movie. The characters are great in this movie actually. And a lot of them stand out. One of the biggest standouts is the dad. The asshole dad. Oh, fuck, is he ever an asshole? He's such an asshole that you actually kind of like him. You love to hate him. Yeah, exactly. You love to hate this guy. Loomis is another, of course, fantastic character. This is his last movie too, right? And he kind of goes out on a bit of a bang in this movie, right? He's got the poignant dialogue. He's got that great speech. Yep, like he always does in all the Halloween movies. It's sad that, of course, Donald Pleasant's died. But it's also kind of neat that his last movie was a Halloween movie. Yeah. The movie really put him on the map as like this iconic character. His involvement makes it feel like a Halloween movie. Every other Halloween movie that came out after without Loomis lacks that Donald Pleasant's presence. Yeah, so much so that they're always using him in certain ways, right? They have flashbacks. Flashbacks or the dialogue. The fake Loomis talking in H2O or whatever, yeah. It's like the later movies just cannot let go of Loomis because he has such an important role to play. Dr. Wynn is also a pretty good character in this. I don't think he gets enough screen time, really. Still a good antagonist in this, right? He's kind of the bad guy. He's the man in black. Exactly. So he's actually pretty good. Danny's actually pretty good. He's a little kid, right? Normally little kids are not that great of actors. But this kid actually does a good job. Yeah, especially at the end where he's really scared, where Michael is after them. He's like, mommy! And he's like cowering. Yeah, you get pretty tense there. He's not a great actor, but he's good enough to get the job done. He doesn't wreck the movie. Like some child actors wreck fucking movies. Yup. The shining, made for TV version. It's good packing snow. Good packing snow! Fucking little bastard. I also think it's neat that Tommy Doyle in this is almost becoming the new Loomis. Right. Because Loomis obviously is old, not many years left. Obviously, you know, you died right after making this. But they really turn him into the new Loomis. The person who's like, yeah, Michael is evil. We got to go fight him. I'm leading the charge. It's my responsibility. That really becomes Tommy Doyle's job in this. I wish they would have pushed it more. It kind of is a passing of the torch. If H2O was a different movie, it could have been Tommy Doyle. You know, he is the new Loomis. He's the one fighting the evil. Yeah, they could have completely taken that and ran with it. Kills in this movie are actually quite good. The whole chase scene and death scene of Jamie, which is pretty damn good. Like, it's a great way to open the fucking movie. And included in that scene is where he breaks that guy's neck. Yeah. And it's great effects where you see the bone come out and everything. Yeah, it's awesome. Good kill. Hey, get away from my truck. Yeah. The way Jamie dies on that machine, like, that's pretty awesome. The mom, when she gets killed. I like how you don't see it, but you see the blood. The lead up to the kill is great. The chase through all those sheets. Again, the sheets are a hark back to the first movie. Exactly. And then you've got the dad dying with his fucking head blowing up. How can you get any better than that? That's a great death. It's probably one of the best deaths in the whole fucking series. Near the end, when he's chasing Tommy and Cara and Danny, he uses the guy's face to open up that gate. Then Michael goes in a crazy killing spree in the hospital. Kills everybody. All the nurses and doctors in that room is crazy. Good kills and high kill count in this movie. And another piece of treasure in this is they did not disregard all the other sequels. They did their best to take that whole man in black bullshit in the thorn sign that you see on Michael's wrist in part five and try to make sense of it and try to kind of tie up those loose ends. That leads us to the trash. How they went about doing that. This whole thorn side plot. Not even side plot! That's the huge part of the movie. The fact that it's even in here is a fucking disgrace for one thing. It takes all the mystery and all the mystique and everything away from Michael. It also takes the burden off of Michael because all he is is just a machine to be used. Yeah just a pawn, just a puppet that they use. It's a cult that is the real bad guys and the whole thing. It's like what the hell? Other ways you could have solved the man in black thing. Yeah. He could have been operating by himself. Just some crazy weirdo maniac who wanted to break Michael out. Introduce the whole fucking cult and like the stars align. Ridiculous. It really is fucking so stupid. Another piece of trash in this is they didn't get Danielle Harris to portray Jamie in the beginning of the movie. She wanted to do it but they didn't want to pay her good enough wage for it. They wanted to pay her scale and she's like no like I'm a big part of this franchise. Yeah and she is a big part of the fucking franchise. Pay her the extra bucks and get her in there and make it fucking legit. And apparently she was actually really good friends with the girl that did hire to play Jamie's. The production company was not super happy so they cut out a lot of this cult stuff. But in doing so it makes the movie have so many plot holes and so many loose ends that never really get tied up. For example if you watch the theatrical cut you have no clue it happens to win. Doctor win. Yeah he's just gone. He's just gone. Michael wipes out that whole operating room. Why? He's killing off his own cult. Yeah it makes no sense. Makes no sense. Another problem I have with this movie and I have this with a lot of Halloween movies after part one is they show Michael too much. They show the mask too much. Like he should be the shape. Desensitizes you from Michael Myers. He's no longer scared. You seem too much. Another piece of trash for this movie is all the other music for this movie right. All the background score. It's not the Halloween music. Yeah. The score is done by Alan Howard. So you'd think that it would be good. But he kind of shits the bed on this one. It's a little too contemporary with all the guitars. Yeah. The fucking dive bombs. It's like what the fuck? Like you don't need electric guitar in a Halloween movie. And the whole subplot with this fucking radio DJ. That goes nowhere. Like why is he there? He's just a body. He's all strung up in those trees. That's actually a cool part of it. Look mommy it's raining. So that brings us to the producer's cut. You didn't think we were going to mention it, but we got to talk about the producer's cut. So the fact that the producer's cut pushes the whole cult thing even more so than the theatrical cut really pushes fucking hard. And even eludes that Michael is the father of the baby. So like he raped his own 15 year old niece? Like what? No, that's not Halloween. That's just fucking morbid. That's just sick. And what does that do to the character? What it's doing? It's not raping Jamie Lloyd. It's raping the Halloween. What it's doing? It's going against everything the Halloween stands for. Mystique and mystery and ending. Like in the producer's cut the way they defeat Michael Myers. He all throws those rune things on the ground and all that. He just stops? Like what? That's how you beat Michael Myers by throwing some fucking pebbles on the ground. Like what the fucking eventing is that? All the things Michael Myers has been through. Been stabbed and the iron blown up and burned how many times. And then these rocks just stop him. I like the way that they ended it in the theatrical cut with Loomis, right? He goes back in here. No. So you kind of assume that Michael killed him. In this he sees that thorn symbol on his wrist. Yeah. And then that's why he's all no. What the fuck? What kind of ending is that? So the producer's cut I really dislike because it really pushes all that way too far. The theatrical cut is more of trying to be a traditional Halloween movie. So is it trash or treasure? It's treasure. I've watched it I don't know how many fucking times, right? Now that we're reviewing movies more and being a lot more stringent, I actually enjoyed the movie more this time around. Because I started to really look at it with a critical eye and going, you know what, I maybe thought that that was garbage before, but I like it. Yeah, I think it's treasure too. The theatrical cut is treasure. It was dealt a fucking bad hand. It had to clean up the mess that Halloween 5 left behind. It kind of succeeded, but when it boils down to it, it's a fun movie with some good kills that continues the story. Looks like a Halloween movie. Exactly, yeah. It looks and it feels like a Halloween movie. What do you guys think? Halloween 6, trash or treasure? I'm sure a lot of you think it's trash and we're not going to argue with you. No, no. But this is our personal opinion. Until next time. Keep drinking.