 The former interim APC national chairman, Bisi Akhandi, has condemned separatist agitations and hate speeches and encouraged those indulging in such to desist from henceforth. He also condemned speeches by public figures that could trigger divisions. The government at all levels, security agencies and public leaders across the country were admonished to do all to prevent tension so that national security challenges could be solved. Well joining me to discuss this is Dayo Kayode political technocrat and Mark Adibayo political affairs analyst. Thank you very much gentlemen for joining us. Yeah, thank you for listening, thanks for having me. Great. I'm going to start with you Mr. Dayo Kayode because recently I did see that you had a forum where you talked about issues that are affecting the polity and I'm wondering why you decided to bring people together to have that conversation, was it as a result of the phase that the country is going through and the insecurity and the politicization of everything that's been happening recently? Yeah, you see, yeah, thank you for coming out with this question. It is true that we had a southern Nigeria from Biden and where we discussed the issues affecting our country on top of the last week at the Job Offender is by the way. What we're saying is this, it is not time to deal with our country rather than talking about issues that we keep on dividing out. We have been on this for a very long time, this for years in memoriam. We have been on this and it is time for us to start healing our nation. It is not about the game, it is not about this is what this person has done, it is about time to talk about what are the real issues and how do we resolve our differences? But how many people are ready to have that conversation because I just finished having a conversation with security experts and they're all saying the same thing. These politicians, these so-called leaders know what the problem is and they obviously know what the solution is but they refuse one way or the other to deal with the crux of the matter. Instead, it's being politicized across different regions. So really, as much as I adore the fact that you're saying it's time for us to heal, who's ready to say this is the problem? Yeah, it is a piece of it. With the people who have not really recognized who and who are supposed to talk about the problems. It is a piece of it. With the people who have not realized who and who are supposed to talk about solutions. When you leave it for the government, there will be any kind of impact that will continue to perpetrate their hegemonic tendencies on the people. But when the people dissolve their problems themselves and come about with solutions, they come about with solutions that will solve the problems affecting them. Without looking at the political tendencies, look at this. It's going to be the PDP, they have become aware of the air-route. So what air-route say? Air-route will hold the heart of the party. But don't exaggerate. Not only when the people themselves come up with where they should be, we can't get to anywhere. It is one step of government. Problems themselves and come up with a few solutions before we can get the good work that we are in Nigeria. Let me go to Mr. Mark Adebayo. I would like to quote what Chief Vissia Kande said at that meeting. He said we restate our abhorrence of violence as a means to achieve either political or economic power and influence. But he says that this is not what the APC stands for. But I'd like to please correct me if I'm wrong. There has been a pattern where when people are tired or people are protesting against the government for one reason or the other, there's always a group that comes to protest for the government or there's a group of thugs that comes to scatter that protest and make it turn violent. So this is an approach that we've seen over and over under this administration and I hate to do this and sound like a broken record but look at what happened last year during the NSAS protests. Look at what happened in Kaduna State recently during the NLC protests where thugs were hired and this is also an APC state. So really what this APC chieftain is saying in one breath is that they abhor it but when what we see in action is the same thing that they're saying that they do not believe in or they do not welcome. So really what should we believe here sir? Well thank you so much. You see there's a difference between intention and action. I think inside time the government of Lidiria lies actually at the state level that you cannot be fighting against the people. You cannot be fighting against the people. If people have the new reasons for protesting, the idea of sponsoring thugs and miscreants to go and attack them is totally uncalled for. I have been an activist, I've participated in protests, I have organized protests and organized rallies. So I've been part of rallies. But when you are out there fighting for a just cause and suddenly miscreants come out to try to hijack the protest. It is inhuman. It is uncalled for, it is antisocial. And I think it's something that we really have to condemn in all these entirety. But the issue, I think there are two sides to this issue. At times it's not always that government sponsors miscreants go and attack protesters. Oftentimes these antisocial elements just want to hijack the process for their own evil criminal tendencies. That is all they are after. What they can get that day, who they can rob, who they can rape, that is just the kind of antisocial behavior that is inherent in them. It may not be always that government responds to them. But a situation where a governor has said that's threatened, that don't come to my state, if you come to my state, I'm going to attack you. And then if you see thugs, definitely that governor should be held responsible. As for me, it is probably not about political parties, you see. Because even when the PDP was in power, when there was this massive protest against increasing, incrementing the price of fuel, we saw what happened at Toyota, we also just want to unleash on the people. So it is not about, what is the difference between these two parties? What exactly is the difference between them? It is about the actions of the political actors. As far as I'm concerned, the complex Nagila question has to be resolved in a way that people with common sense and intelligence and patriotism must come together and find a peaceful means to resolve our issues. We cannot be talking about cross-proposes, attacking one another on the basis of religion or ethnicity, and believe that we are going to resolve the issues of this country. I am a great advocate for a national conference, of a peace conference. We have to sit down and negotiate Nagila and redefine our relationship and talk about how this country can move forward. I'm sorry to sound like Ganesh say I missed that, David. But what have we done with all the national conferences that we've had and all the blue papers or the white papers that we came up with? Where are they? Some of them are sitting somewhere and gathering dust. Why do another one spend taxpayers' monies if we haven't even taken a look at the others that we spend monies to also have? Well, you see, there is no political will to move this country in the right direction. If there is a political will, it is not something esoteric to be able to find solutions to the issues of this country. If there is a political will, we will be able to move in the right direction. What we lack is the political will to do the right thing. We need to find the means to have people of political will who can handle it. That is why some of us are advocating for restructuring the leadership of the country towards the younger generation of leaders. It's like the current crop of all leaders have run out of ideas. So let us give the youth the opportunity. Let us give the younger generation the opportunity. Let us give those younger generations who have had experience in governance to come and lead this country so that they can find solutions to the myriads of problems of this country. There is no political will. We need the younger generation with fresh blood, fresh energy, with determination, with focus, with patriotism to resolve the issues of this country. Well, we do have young people in our politics, and I don't want to name names, but let me go back to Mr. Diokida because we are almost out of time. Let's talk about Godfatherism in politics because he just made, Mr. Diabayu just made mention of the fact that we need to restructure. Mr. Diabayu, I beg your pardon, just made mention of the fact that we need to push aside the people, the crop of politicians that we have now, and turn our attention to young people. But then the leader of the APC in the Southwest, Bola Med Tinibu, spoke on the issue of Godfatherism. He openly said that he did not have a choice candidate for the upcoming local government elections in Lagos. He said he didn't have a favorite candidate, and whoever was suitable to run should run. And if they were to win, of course, it would be something that they did of their own accord and not necessarily that somebody put them there. But we just want to take a look at that video quickly. And then when I come back, I'll just have you say on that issue and how we can get rid of Godfatherism really if we can in Nigeria. Let's take a look. I have received numerous phone calls and inquiries by people near and far that have asked some people not to contest or to withdraw. That's far from the truth. Every one of you Lagosians who are members of APC, you have the right to participate in the local government as long as you are a registered member of our party. Nobody is my favorite candidate. I'm coming back to you, Mr. Dibayu, quickly in a few minutes or in a minute. What's your take on this video? I do not believe what Ashoua just said. I really don't believe at all. I mean, I'm taken with a pinch of salt. I don't think anybody will win anything in Lagos State especially from his party APC without his endorsement, without his express endorsement. I doubt it. And if that is happening, then it's a new day. It's a new day for Lagos politics. It's a new day for Nigerian politics. But sincerely, I do not believe the issue of Godfatherism has ended in Lagos. No, I don't believe it. Okay. Well, on that note, thank you very much. Mark Adebayu for being part of the conversation and Daya Coyote. Thank you so much, gentlemen, for being here. Thank you. All right. Well, thank you all for staying with us. We'll take a short break now and listen to what Nigerians have to say about President Bahari criticising the ban on open grazing and memory return. I will give you my take. The most important thing is that he's saying that they have not given any solution. But for him, he's thinking that the solution he has given is actually better. There are other solutions that could have been given. For instance, there is ranching that can actually make up a particular place where those cows can be stained. And it's actually not obstruct anything that has to do with life. I feel it's the President. He has the right to do whatever he wants to do. But what is right is still right. Regardless of his choice, life is the most important thing. If they made those decisions because they want to save life, I think that would be the best place to look at. Now, what I'll say about that President, for now, I will say we should just pray for him Why would you say open grazing forever? It is not done. If it's in the North, let it be in the North. These people, they are carrying AK-47s. And you tell me you are wearing cartels. How does that work for Nigerians? It doesn't. Kudos to our 17 states governors. They have actually shown to Nigerians that they are waking up. With all that is happening in the country, Mr. President is still saying, is there no push-o? Mr. President should please think well. Here's my take, a very short one. If our leaders claim that they want to do what's best and what's right and in the interest of us, the average people, the people that they govern, and yet we see them in another breath, politicizing the issues that should be addressed. The mothers that leave us, because we are the ones who are losing family members. We're the ones who are being kidnapped. We're the ones who are being robbed. We're the ones who are losing people every day. Where is the value that our leaders place on human life, not even property? Us, the Nigerian, we're supposed to be valuable to them. But where is that value that they place on us? Is it that selfish of our leaders that they would only be worried about the next thing or the next position or how their political people would look at them and the positions that they take? What about us? Those people that they come to, they ask for the vote. Those people that they sort of lead. So Mr. President, Mr. Governor, Mr. Senator, whatever you're doing should be for us the Nigerian. We should be number one on your priority list. Let's stop politicizing the issue of insecurity and do what's right by the avid Nigerian. I'm Mary Annacle. Thank you for watching.