 either the batterings or you know the bat grapple lined him you know flying through that that takes money but if you got a like a super whose only ability is a really good skateboarder it's like you just hire a skateboarder right what a bit of funky costume in your set yeah it was yeah that's the other thing Tom has he gotten his like his his outfit yet in episode what seven oh I don't think so he hasn't even gotten his iron fist costume or anything to be honest it's not a great costume to begin with even when yeah but at least you can say oh there he is that's the iron fist I remember yeah I don't know that's the iron fist ah this iron fist I remembered was just really bland it was bland but so why couldn't they dare they have literally thousands thousands of characters they could pull from right and this is the thing that's always bothered me especially about Marvel DC it's like you guys are relying on the same character someone cranked out 50 years ago and then you use the same character and then you alter everything about them to create a new story it's like why aren't you screening new character well because the people won't watch it yeah because people come for the oh I remember Daredevil and so they try that with Spider-Man and Crumble Hulk and well I guess how are they how are they gonna interpret this fit this thing from what I remember I mean like you can't take Zorro and put him in a space station right he needs to be in colonial California I would watch space Zorro come on I'm gonna say Zorro pretty good it's fall in the ABC because you know they did Zorro DIC I guess the the French animation studio did a Sherlock Holmes in the like 25th century and he had all these gadgets and stuff and it's like really that's anyone besides Sherlock Holmes could do the same thing it's not like you know some you know inhumanly inhuman feet to deduce that way I don't know I think they're onto something with Space Zorro Space Zorro I'm going out for him as Halloween I don't want to do that Who are you on Space Zorro come on Get with it Can't you tell with the mask The cape on the hat Yeah yeah it's all underneath You can't even see it through the gold It's just a giant no one of the greatest it's just a giant goldfish ball over his head but he still has the hat Yeah the hat's in there He's drawn the mustache on top of the bowl You know Alright I'm high Alright are you guys ready Here we go Quality content thrives through the support of those who benefit from its creation If you gain value from the Daily Tech News show Consider joining others like me who provide support Learn how to help at dailytechnewshow.com slash support This is the Daily Tech News for Friday, March 24th, 2017 I'm Tom Merritt joining me today Steve Kovac, Senior Correspondent of Business Insider Welcome to the show Steve good to have you along Hey thanks for having me Also with us today, Len Peralta is here as he is most Fridays to illustrate the show Glad to have you along as well Glad to be here Glad to be here in Cleveland, Ohio I'm excited to hear some tech stories Believeland Exciting to hear some tech stories on this beautiful Friday afternoon Well Steve and I were both on Twitter this past Sunday and we kind of glanced by a story about Google and the problems with advertisers pulling their ads and started to talk a little bit about that so I wanted to have Steve back on to continue that conversation some more and of course the news keeps on breaking there Steve, I mean there's more happening Yeah there was, are we getting into that now or do we want to Just teasing ahead Even within the last hour or two there's been more developments in this story so it's just getting more and more interesting We're going to talk about that in a little bit but let's start with a few tech things you should know T-Mobile's new free service scam ID will show an alert to customers when they receive a call from a number listed in Privacy Stars database of scam colors I guess they're not allowed to block it that's the thing so I don't know it's better than nothing I can already tell when I don't want to answer a call but this will confirm it Apple began taking orders for its new 9.7 inch iPad and red iPhone 7 and 7 plus models Friday Excited Steve? I think the iPad is a great price they're going to sell boatloads of these things but it's weird that it's cheaper than the iPad mini now that's the pricing thing but this is a great price for the iPad I think they're going to sell a gazillion of them FedEx is offering a $5 store credit on orders over $30 if you re-enable flash when you're printing things from the FedEx.com website So they've taken to bribing people paying you in essence Now here are some more top stories According to an email sent to G Suite admins Google will remove text messaging starting May 22nd and then starting March 27th users of the Hangouts app will start getting their prompts that say hey we're going to be doing this as of May 22nd so you might want to choose another text messaging app on your Android device I never like it Steve when they remove a feature from something Yeah well luckily Google has about 14,000 different messaging apps for you to choose from so if Hangouts isn't working out you got something else There's a thing on the other end of it too where I don't actually use Hangouts for SMS I use messages on my Android phone but I do communicate with people who do use Hangouts as SMS and I wonder how many of those conversations will now be disrupted when I message them through Hangouts but they don't get it in their text message so to speak anymore I don't know how that's going to work because it's kind of like the whole thing where you get rid of iMessage and go to an Android phone and then messages get lost and it still happens so I don't know how they shake that out I think they should just change the name of Hangouts just call it something else it's now you know G Suite collab or something Right it's their slot killer kind of Yeah yeah exactly Twitter is surveying people to see if they would be interested in paying for premium features in TweetDeck the premium version would include things like advanced analytics special alerts more information about your followers Twitter confirmed the survey Casey Newton over at the Verge and a source said Twitter has not yet begun to build the service so this is them taking the temperature when I first saw this headline this morning I thought I'm never going to pay for Twitter that's a horrible idea but as soon as I saw it was TweetDeck I started thinking you know what actually I'm worried they're going to kill TweetDeck I'd almost be willing to pay a certain amount of money per year to have a subscription to it that was exactly my thought I'm glued to TweetDeck all day at work and you know just it's how I keep up with news it's way better than the you know Twitter.com and um man if they turn it into a paid only product they might get me they might get me too it's worth it I mean it is better than Twitter oh easily and I'd see the value I mean depending on the price obviously but I would see the value and pay for that just the way I pay for other software yeah for sure I would definitely or if it's like a yearly fee or something I would definitely do that yeah no problem you hear that Twitter? $25 a year a London based group is demanding Apple pay pay at a ransom by April 7th or it will remotely wipe 250 million iCloud accounts Apple said it has not been breached and the data the group has came from previously compromised third party services ZDNet, Zach Whitaker and Troy Hunt also have been doing some verification on this confirming that some of the data the groups provide is real although it may be a couple of years old concerned Apple users should just change your passwords if you're worried about this at all change your password it does sound like what they did is they went out and collected a bunch of other account information matched it to Apple accounts and are now trying to shake down Apple from money which is not going to work I mean yeah Apple is certainly not going to pay them I guess Apple could face a little press backlash if they did reset their phones and bit a bunch of people but 250 million accounts not all of these are going to still work because people have changed passwords that story you just cited he did call a few of the people and they did say oh yeah that's my password and there was some weird activity on my account and things like that so there are at least some people in that cache that are there's our legit logins yeah and whether it's Apple's fault or not Apple's going to get blamed for celebrity new photos yeah definitely so the takeaway here is not Apple's been breached or Apple's at fault the takeaway here is you should not be using the same password at multiple sites and if you are concerned about this and you've used the same password for several years let's say more than a year change your password or actually if you're concerned just change your password and definitely turn on two factor authentication yes the best you can do right now is that some developers announced plans to slowly restrict acceptance of the TLS certificate sold by Symantec owned issuers an improperly issued certificate could allow a bad actor to impersonate a legitimate site if you don't know how certificates work they're the way that you say oh yeah that's you I'm going to give you a secure connection now Google alleges the misuse of 30,000 certificates Symantec says no the number was 127 they were caught those partners have been terminated there's no consumer harm however the other thing Google is saying is this is a pattern of behavior for Symantec in October 2015 Symantec did fire a number of employees for issuing test certificates without permission including one for google.com which probably set off Google about this and in January more evidence came to light that Symantec improperly issued 108 new certificates it's odd to think of these companies wanting to shut each other off especially when Symantec is around a third of the certificates out there Chrome couldn't just turn off accepting their certificates tomorrow they'd break a huge part of the internet but they seem to be really pushing Symantec to clean up their act yeah I mean they have the leverage too right just by controlling Chrome they had the leverage to say hey guys clean up yeah definitely I don't understand why Symantec wouldn't I think if I had to get my guess at what's going on behind the scenes here it's that Symantec has a bad partner management system going on they're trying to fix it but they keep having partners in their system do bad things and then they try to clamp down and they're saying we're not the problem here it's our partners and Google is saying yeah it's your partners you need to stop signing up partners that are going to misuse the system the internet runs on this system you can't allow that is there some kind of vetting process they go through I don't know how that works Symantec gets vetted and then Symantec is allowed to bring on RAs Registration Authorities I don't know what Symantec's vetting process is for this but it seems not to be working very well Symantec says they go through some very sincere vetting of people but this is now becoming a pattern of behavior yeah definitely well hopefully Google doing this the way they're doing it is kind of clever they're going to slowly reduce the time that Symantec issued certificates are good for so that they slowly expire more and more of them over time and Symantec and Google are talking so they may yet be able to figure this out yeah Pan King Chiang is Singapore's permanent secretary for the Ministry of Transport and told an audience at a transportation forum that by 2030 aerial transport will also be a means of urban mobility in Singapore in other words flying taxis I know right Singapore says it is in talks with companies to test unmanned aerial vehicles that can carry passengers this is not the only city looking at this Dubai remember tested passenger UAVs back in February from China's e-hang service e-hang was showed off at CES and promises to bring regular service to Dubai by July Singapore almost feels behind the curve saying by 2030 right definitely and it's not just these countries doing it I mean Uber has you know dipped their toe into this I mean some of it might be just to justify their crazy valuation they're talking about flying cars and Larry Page has his own secret flying car company so I mean you can see people laying their groundwork for this all over the place it's not just Singapore and China and the fact that they were doing tests now we don't we never I don't think anyone was ever able to confirm whether the Dubai tests had actual people in them or not yeah I don't know but the fact that they're doing the test means that these things do work so we are going to have flying taxis of a sort it's like how crazy is that yeah I mean I'm a little nervous like I'm flying and flying a commercial I'm a little nervous flying just like a one or two seater little gyrocopter thingy that takes you around but uh yeah it sounds cool and I'm all for it we've been promises for decades right well and that's the thing you're not flying it it's right it's all automated yeah that's the carrier does that make you I was going to say does that make you feel better or worse about it I don't know I see I'm okay with a self-driving car but not a self-driving drone thing taking me around in the air I don't know why I guess there's more variables and granted like you know a lot of our a lot of our planes are run by autopilot but there's always an actual pilot there keeping an eye on it right so so here's the here's where the rubber meets the road Steve at CES next year if there's a demo where you can get in one of these and fly around Las Vegas would you do it it probably not I'm a giant whip you'll pass that along I'll let the intern do it yeah that's always the way it goes the interns are more enthusiastic anyway right so you know there you want to please me you'll get in this drone and fly around Vegas there you go I would hmm I don't know like as far as myself I I would want to do it and then when I got close to the front of the line I think nope yeah I on the other hand like how how safe does it have to be for them to show it off for people and that's why we haven't seen anyone get in one of these things yet so this if they do it here the FAA is going to get involved and all that kind of stuff too hey folks if you want to get all the tech headlines each day in less than 10 minutes actually around five minutes subscribe to daily tech headlines dot com you can get it as a podcast in any of your podcasting apps or as a channel in the station in the anchor app go check it out so like we said we've been talking about advertisers pulling ads from Google's display ad network not from search ads but from display ads still that means you know a lot of ads not showing up on YouTube we had PepsiCo Walmart dish network today say they are suspending their Google non-search ads and you had an article up on Business Insider earlier this week talking about the fact that this has to do with who controls the data obviously it also has to do with showing up next to offensive offensive videos but there's more to it than that we got an email from Derek who said I wanted to chime into the discussion Derek works in the advertising industry he says brand safety has only continued to grow into a critical issue within advertising it's not that advertisers don't get how the web works but it only takes one screenshot of a company's ad next to something controversial to send things into a tizzy it's only a few weeks ago that there was a lot of controversy about advertisers and Breitbart pulling out of YouTube is no easy decision but at Austin's point YouTube has become a critical component for most advertising campaigns their withdrawal from the platform only goes to show how important companies are taking brand safety especially as I'd imagine several of these advertisers have upfront spending agreements that being said there are several companies and technologies out there to help combat this issue there are actually dedicated teams in agencies whose job is to check through and ensure that ads won't show up on criminal or other undesirable sites especially given how big of a company Google is along with how they often set standards for the web advertisers are expecting the company to do more on their end to address this issue so here we go we've got on the one hand advertisers seeing an opportunity to maybe use some leverage to get more data out of Google Google has been very guarded about that for profit and privacy reasons and on the other hand we have a very legitimate concern that more people are paying attention to where advertisers ads show up and that brand safety Steve what do you think Google's responsibility really does lie here oh man there's so many there's so many things here and I also want to point to an interview that Alphavitz chairman Eric Schmidt gave yesterday on Fox Business where he admitted this is there's no 100% full proof solution to this problem they promise to get better and include new tools but we also saw as recently today Wall Street Journal found Pepsi and Walmart and a bunch of other brands against some questionable content so there is never they're never going to be able to guarantee their matching with ads to content is going to be perfect and they're never going to be but they can just get close and better so I think that is a really big thing especially since AT&T even came out saying we don't want to advertise with you guys again until you can ensure that this is going to be fixed so that there's a conflict there and I think their responsibility is I mean this is what we talked about on Sunday on Twitter and it's they are increasingly realizing they're a media company they distribute media and when you're a media company that comes with some editorial oversight you know when you turn on NBC or ESPN you're not going to see you know advertisers running against ISIS videos or racist videos that's not the content advertisers want to pull against and that's because there's a human there watching it making sure you know we're putting the right kind of content on this platform Google is all robots doing it it's all algorithms and you know Schmidt even admitted like people get around those algorithms all the time and it's just kind of this battle the whole time so I really this is my generalist hat on I really see this as you're a distributor of mass media you take responsibility for that mass media on the other hand they are also a platform and they aren't creating the content so the analogy with ESPN is more like they're a cable company but there are now an infinite number of channels and the only way you're able to do advertising on the web is programmatically that as I said yesterday that doesn't absolve Google of responsibility but how do you balance that out where sure you can hire more people and have more eyes and you can reduce it but you'll never eliminate it I mean AT&T and everybody else has to know that there's always going to be if you want to have programmatic advertising which by the way everybody does the advertisers want this too they want to make it easy to buy the ads you're never going to be able to 100% eliminate what's out there unless you eliminate whole categories which would block legitimate people along with the criminals right and then we ran into that issue the blocking categories today this week too I know some LGBT videos were getting flagged so I mean there is that issue too but people at the company keep telling me since this whole fake news thing started on both Facebook and YouTube they do use that platform argument it's an impossible problem that we can't fix which I don't totally buy I mean these are the smartest geniuses in the world I mean there's got to be some way to at least mitigate it to the point where it's not a huge problem and then even as recently as and then you look at the viewpoint on this kind of thing it's like even as recently as this week as well they were highlighting in the top news stories a Breitbart article about the Great Barrier Reef dying and not saying it's not related to climate change when it's scientifically proven it is and their explanation for that was oh we like to show different viewpoints in the module it's not viewpoints it's that you know what I mean there is some kind of control there so it's you know they don't know where they are is my point I don't know if they're a platform or a media company there's two things there like one is that you know at a certain point I don't want Google or Facebook or any of them deciding what stories are legitimate and what aren't I want to make that decision for myself and I don't like the idea of them controlling what I see on the other hand I think you're absolutely right there is more they could do to control what we all would agree 99% of us would agree certain things are just not okay right right and and that's where I think the real question should become not can you fix it because Google can easily say well we can't we can't ever fix it unless we change the way we do it but can you improve it can you do better and how how much and I feel like the advertisers know that they they know that it can't be 100% fixed that's not really what they're asking for they're asking for improvement and that's where Laura O'Reilly's article from Business Insider plays into this as well I think they also want to get a little something out of Google in the meantime they've got a good public relations fiasco that they can take advantage of to say and while we're at it we want to know more about the people we're advertising to because if we go out on the open web we know all these things about folks but you keep us from knowing that about the people we're advertising on your platform right they want to implant cookies they want to have data they want to buy ads through third parties they want to do a bunch of stuff and this is stuff they've been asking for forever and now a lot of these brands feel like they finally have the leverage to kind of to get at least some concessions from Google on that front so so where does word I mean great this is just a backroom negotiation my guess oh yes is at the end of the day what's going to happen is Google's going to finally come to a position where they're like okay fine we'll give you this much more but that's it and the advertisers will say fine that's good and we'll have that all resolved but this is already pushed farther than I thought it was going to be how much farther do you think you know if you had to guess this will go yeah I'm sure we'll see more brands pull out I mean and these aren't just like small like mom and pop shops this is Verizon and AT&T and Pepsi like the big some of the biggest advertisers in this country pulling out and in the UK it was a lot of government organizations which you know they don't want the whole thing started because they found out governments are indirectly funding these extremist videos but how far does it go I don't know it doesn't seem to be really harming Google's bottom line that much you look at the stock it's been basically flat all week despite you know every day we hear of new major advertisers pulling out so investors don't seem to be worried about it they seem to take Google at its word that they're going to fix this problem and you know these advertisers do like these platforms and they do like advertising on these platforms and they want to advertise there and so I think there's a lot of faith that Google is working as hard as they can to at least mitigate a lot of this yeah I actually now that I'm thinking about it Google could play hardball because of that they've got a lot of cushion to do that to try to face down these companies who do need the platform to reach their audiences that's going to hurt YouTubers more than anybody because yeah you know a disproportional number of these kinds of advertisements are what funds people on YouTube that's already a community that's kind of unhappy with the amount of money they're making on the platform right and then when you get to these big advertisers that's the YouTube preferred program right that's the super duper rock stars on YouTube who do attract you know higher advertisers and so yeah that makes sense that it hurts them it hurts YouTube um so yeah you can you can see things coming through our head eventually someone's going to budge a little bit but um I think in the near term it's not really going to harm Google slash YouTube that much and they're still getting their search ads which they make a boatload of money from anyway and uh lest you believe that you're I know a lot of folks are sitting out there like yeah well this doesn't matter to me right I'm not in the advertising business I'm not you know making my money off YouTube what do I care maybe I'll see fewer ads without that you're not going to see fewer ads yeah that'll never happen yeah that's that's that's probably not going to happen they have other people who are willing to fill in the gaps on these platforms they just probably won't be charging them as much baby um the the last thing before we move off this topic is you know we kind of touched on it briefly there for a second this idea of controlling the news controlling yeah what actually should show up I I know that you know Justin Robert Young and I have talked a lot about his hashtag portal to hell uh hell portal yeah uh and I'm not as far down that road as he am but I think I'm a little farther down that road than you are because I get very nervous at the idea of Facebook in particular but any platform deciding what I can see on the other hand I think the system that they'd set up is so conservative like if anything it may not have much of an effect it sounds like you you think they should come in and take more control yeah I definitely I apologize my colleagues are screaming in the background um no I definitely um I do think they should take more control because there is this Facebook especially is a way a lot of people get their news and when things are just kind of fed into fed to them as a either stuff that they're Facebook's whole goal is to show you stuff that you want to see and keep you scrolling the news feed so if you see stuff that confirms your biases that confirms uh you know the way your world view you're more likely to look at it even if it's not true and Facebook isn't smart enough to determine that yet and there again they're a disseminator of information like I'm coming this from a big a journalist perspective where you know even in journalism school which by the way Justin was in journalism school with me so uh he should understand this too it's you you learn that there is this responsibility that goes along with it that doesn't mean you hamper free speech that doesn't mean um you you know let let the let the racist you know put their videos up if they want to that's fine you can still have that kind of platform um but when it comes to bubbling up that content um there does need to be a filter on it and and I think that's the mistake Facebook's making because I would argue Facebook is more like a newsstand oh yeah or or the mail system except that they stood they started to put their hand in it they started to want to say well these are the things that are important these are the trending topics uh and once you start involving yourself into curating that stuff and LinkedIn's doing the same thing and I'm curious how that's going to affect them you start to have to take responsibility because now you are acting like a journalist yeah and then LinkedIn's different because I don't know about you but I've never seen anything controversial on LinkedIn it's usually just like boring self-police is it because I don't want to offend anyone because I might want a job from them yeah exactly and just like you know some you know sales guy in Idaho or something you know posting some like thought leadership stuff or something but so they don't seem to have a problem with it but Facebook you know just the masses you know one point however many billion users you know it's you're just gonna get a flood of garbage um and uh Facebook is trying to filter through that more and at the same time I think this is really politically charged I really don't think um we'd be having this conversation if like Hillary Clinton had won I legitimately believe that like I think that because a lot of that fake news stuff did lean towards the conservative side and a lot of people started what well you know trying to wrap their mind around the election so that was one way they blamed it I think this whole debate would look totally different if Hillary Clinton had won to be honest you may be right I don't know I tend to think that there are just as many folks concerned on one side of the aisle as the other but it would have a different flavor the debate yeah oh for sure and and the biases of the various companies would play in differently as well yeah definitely uh well thanks to everybody who participates in our subreddit you can submit stories and vote on them at dailytechnewshow.reddit.com keep them coming I just was talking to Scotty Rowland actually he's he's getting his hand back in to the subreddit big thanks to all the moderators who've been keeping it going over there you guys are the best let's get to a message to feedback at dailytechnewshow.com before we're out of here Jamie in rainy but hey it's better than snow Vancouver says I wanted to chime in on your conversation Wednesday about last pass and the integrity of its services in light of vulnerabilities that were found you asked Scott and Tim if they felt that last pass was still safe to use my answer would be of course it is last pass after all is just another piece of software and all software is prone to this should we stop using firefox when a bug is found or stop using windows or mac because of a new exploit last pass does contain more sensitive information but we shouldn't be discussing its integrity based on the existence of vulnerabilities their response and efficiency at patching said vulnerabilities should be the focal point of any discussion we did get a few other emails from people who said I would never use last pass because my country or my company have a policy that says I'm not allowed to have my password given to a third party and they considered giving a password manager your password giving them to a third party now last pass would argue we encrypt them we can't see your password so you're not giving them to us but there is another side to that I'm curious Steve how you feel about password managers especially in light of them like any other service occasionally having vulnerabilities reported yeah I totally rely on it I use one password and I tried last passing gazillion years ago and I it's not that I didn't like it it's just like I don't know I just fell into one password but I I live by it like I mean I have a different like we're talking about earlier I have a different password for literally every single service if you ask me what my Twitter password was right now I have no idea like I like if you had a gun to my head and asked me from my Twitter password you'd have to kill me because I don't even know so I think in that respect it's it's good and it's safe but again of course you had totally I mean I use my Dropbox account to store the encrypted files so I can sync it between all my devices and that's worked out pretty fine so far but yeah there's there's always going to be a risk and if someone cracks my that one thing they got my life and it's I think that's really important to emphasize and I know I've said it before is this is not about the solution that protects you a hundred percent this is about what what is the line for you at what point do you feel like okay this this I feel like I'm I've gotten as much safety as I can afford to have yeah because you can never afford a hundred percent it's just not possible it's not foolproof but I mean again I've been using it for less five or six years I guess and it hasn't failed me once and you know there hasn't been a major vulnerability I feel like I'm constantly getting updates on the app and they're constantly you know improving it and juicing the security so I personally feel comfortable about it and this last past things and it spook me really it does it does if you have a tinfoil hat proclivity which maybe some hosts of the show do it does make you think through things and there are other alternatives like key pass where the the company itself has no view in I mean one password doesn't have a lot of you in and last pass can can work just like one password you pass is something where you you run it yourself locally and there's there's there's no service involved whatsoever so but you have to be a super geek to do that I must say I have to be a super geek but yeah it's not something that most people are going to go to and say oh yeah just easily can see this so yeah it takes a little extra effort well thank you Steve for joining us it's been great having you on of course you can find Steve's good works over at businessinsider.com as well as elsewhere on the internet what you got going on like gearing up for the Samsung launch next week I think that's the next big event so that's here in New York so I'm looking forward to seeing that thing in person all right yeah so you get to go to that since it's nearby huh yeah fantastic we'll be keeping an eye on that as well go check it out businessinsider.com Len Peralta what have you been drawing well you know your main story you've stumped me on that one that was a tough one to draw so what I did is flying cars hurray flying taxis is a much better choice oh yeah I think I think it was a lot better so obviously if you're if you see this print I took a little bit of creative license obviously a drone enthusiast will not be handling your flying taxi but I thought it would be funny if it did so he's uh in this cartoon there's a little guy a drone enthusiast he calls it fluber he said it's safer than a car and hella more fun but he seems to have lost sight of it and he's asking his pal if you've seen it at all and in the background you see it a burning flying drone a flying taxi is that you or me or Steve in the flying taxi that's me, that's me I think that would be all of us there's no way in hell I'm getting into a drone car even if it's just like hey you're just going down the block I'd rather walk, thank you but yeah so this print is available right now at LenPeraltaStore.com and you can download it as a digital download and also purchase it if you'd like and by the way I just want to say thank you about this last week real quickly my son Max of course we were raising funds to get him to New York City the response has been overwhelming a lot of people from DTNS came through so thank you so much and hopefully we will meet our goal within the next week or so so you can still go over there and purchase Max's prints and my commission us and all kinds of good stuff over at LenPeraltaStore.com Thank you Len and thanks to everybody who gives a little value back to this show for the value they get from it including Tage Bushman Aurora Lee, Phillip Jocelyn and many more if you haven't already go join them at Patreon.com slash DTNS our email address is feedback at DailyTechNewShow.com we're live Monday through Friday 4 30 p.m. Eastern at AlphakeekRadio.com and DiamondClub.tv and our website is DailyTechNewShow.com back on Monday with Roger Chang talk to you then this show is part of the FrogPants Network get more at FrogPants.com Bob hopes you have enjoyed this program so not Veronica on Monday oh I can't hear Roger I think he's muted something happened with his with his audio so we can't hear him it's like that episode of Legion he'll come back and do titles Steve thanks again that was great man yeah that was fun I think I was only on this show once and that was when Justin was filling in for you so I'm glad I got to do it with you I think you might have even been on twice with Justin without me so I'm glad we finally got you on with me for once no it's Veronica I don't know why I typed that in I have oh my god it's very embarrassing alright I was a little confused there but I think I might be low on my iodine I honestly have no idea why that was typed in there alright that's funny Steve what we do is we hang out while I edit the show afterwards and you're welcome to hang out if you need to go that's fun too awesome I do have to go you gotta go meet my buddy downstairs so thank you so much it was nice meeting you Steve yeah I'll take myself off screen share so you could actually say bye see you later good work good work on the FLUBER FLUBER thank you so much take care FLUBER sounds like a bad haircut at first I read it FLUBER I thought it was making a Disney reference oh yeah so what do we have for titles Roger the call is coming from inside the privacy star database okay hashtag just change your password already that's kind of true FedEx pays you to flash nice Google add the sense Brands protecting brands equals less ads maybe I like the FedEx one the best FedEx pays you to flash Singapore falling for flying taxis even advertisers hate ads it's not exactly right but it's a good attempt FedEx pays you to flash that's a good one so funny I could not pass that up the idea that FedEx is like basically what they're doing is like we need you to turn flash back on to be able to print we're really sorry here's $5 credit are they cumulative can you just keep adding I think you only get it once I don't know it's good question yeah you can make a living off that yeah right we have to spend $30 to get the 5 so message in a bottle neck what people vote if you're watching live go to showbot.tv put in some votes FedEx pays you to flash he's leading right now yes flashy ads that whole thing with Google though I mean it is always the way where on the one hand there's that public outrage aspect of like they're putting our ads next to extremist content and then of course when you get down to it you're like that's not really what's going on that's just the the recent reason to be able to try to negotiate I feel like some well some advertisers don't like the look I feel like if you know the Times never did that story you know we're never I mean it's just like what happened in PewDiePie right I mean if you see Journal didn't happen it I mean they were investigating PewDiePie I don't think they were just like oh my god what is this and then by the way he's one of YouTube's biggest stars right yeah yeah nobody would have noticed it would have just got flown right under the radar I mean it's just a whole new media world where just so much is being you know self produced and I mean like you know there are innocuous things like this show and then there are crazy shit and racist stuff and they're still figuring out a grapple with that that's a really good point we don't get near the attention of the crazy shit yeah you should go full info wars for what we should yeah what's the tech version of info wars oh my god macalope that macalope guy um or gal the crazy I mean yeah you can go into the privacy policy aspect of it and people do but I'm thinking like what if you stick strictly to tech yeah what's the most paranoid like if you set aside legal and social aspects what's the paranoid I guess it's the mac rumor it's the apple rumor android rumor mill you just have to ride that mill are they paranoid do you think Apple's gonna start charging more they're gonna start taking away they're gonna start charging you for facebook you just watch me look twitter story right that would be that would be a gold mine for that kind of show yeah or the apple defenders who you know look at tim cook the way trump supporters look at trump and you know they do do no wrong yeah why are people yeah well and you could do that you could do that for almost any of the of the major fan bases right like why do people always persecuting the leader of my favorite brand yeah are there amazon fans you know that's a good question are there bezos heads out there like I know there are people who look like really like their echo or kindle but I don't yeah yeah but I don't feel like there's amazon fan boys who get mad when you're not nice to amazon yeah I don't think that they've really reached that level that's a really good point because there's definitely facebook people who defend snapchat and yeah but amazon doesn't have the social network aspect of it yeah I mean they just I like ordering my toilet paper for them and whatever else I got my switch by the way I ordered it today they had it in stock oh really yeah it was I was like someone tweeted at me is like if you have amazon priming get it now in the middle of like a really important meeting and I was like excuse me important tech executive I need to buy a switch right now I'm sure you understand I got it so it's coming Sunday did the important tech executive also buy a switch yeah he probably had a million of them but um yeah it was great oh that's that's hilarious dream come true it's really good I've been trying not to talk about it on the show because people are getting tired to hear it about it but um I'm still playing it and yeah I the the aspect of it that I think is the most impressive is that Microsoft continuum type aspect the fact that I can be playing it on my television walk over and just yank it out I don't have to you know do anything I can just pull it out of the dock and I'm playing exactly where I was seconds before so cool and it boots up quickly unlike the ps4 which it's a year to boot up oh my gosh it always has an update every time right exactly well the update thing are never going to get around I mean even even the switch you update there's a date and that's just the fact I was got Mass Effect for ps4 and like you like to eat oh so I do like it I think the critics are too harsh on it are you were you a fan of the first three oh big time yeah okay because I'm super big into the first three and I was very wary after reading the reviews yeah I was too but you know what I like it you know you just it feels like a Mass Effect game I'm excited to play it and I'm only a few hours into it but but you start up that game it's like before you can even play it it's like got to download a stupid update and like always I can't play I can't play it for another it took like 50 or 20 minutes before I can actually start playing it it's it's the PC of console gaming updates updates as soon as you network as soon as you add things on networks it becomes really important to keep them up to date too yeah remember back in our day just blowing the cartridge and yeah boom you have any updates on my NES yeah no you actually would have to buy the second version of the game that was the update yeah they would have the update they would include some cartridge yeah pay for the same game but this has extra things and they fixed a few things they just put a two on it you know the argument's always been that like if you allow updates developers always release shoddy games it's like no no plenty of shoddy games were released they just never bothered to fix them they were released I'm still working my way through drag and gauge inquisition that's that's been out for years yeah but I got it for 13 bucks off Amazon as a digital download for Xbox one Roger's a shrewd game shopper well part of it is I don't play video games regularly anyway so it's more like oh that looks that looks cheap I could afford to try it out I got doomed for like 15 or 20 bucks on Amazon because the price it's dropped and I haven't really played it yet just sitting on my shelf it's uh I have to say occasionally I live on those things because I'm not hardcore anymore like if you ask me 10 years like when Mass Effect first came out I was the first in line to buy it Mass Effect 2 first in line to buy it but now I'm at that stage where it's like well I really don't have time with a kid there's a bunch of stuff to fix around the house so it's and all those shows I need to keep up on I just don't have time right so yesterday Roger and I were talking about how we think self-driving cars and we'll end up playing out and Roger was saying he thinks that you know we'll rent them and keep them versus just doing like an Uber system Alan wrote in and said I think the way you would use self-driving cars is the way an air traveler would you go from point to point for me this would be especially apt since I tend to be an air traveler that visits cities there's usually already decent public transportation at my destination what Roger was describing is more from the point of view of a car traveler where your car is not just transportation but storage and almost part residence your closet away from home families especially tend to travel this way my brother lives in Hawaii so he has to travel by air he rents a car when he arrives and then does road trip style traveling yeah it's it really depends on the kind of trip you're taking if you're a business trip and you're going to be at a conference although you won't need a car you could easily get an Uber uber-fying it that way but I think a lot of people because the problem the issue is like for a lot of people air travel especially with family is a huge pain in the ass now between security lines and getting the airport early and all that stuff I mean to be honest it's just great to throw everything in the car and have the car drive you granted it might take you and I'm talking about situations where you're driving like the distance from LA to SF granted it's going to take you like six hours versus one and a half but if you include the time of getting into the airport standing in line leaving the airport it sort of works itself out and it's a little more fun and less stressful I'm not saying you won't have rental self-driving cars or even personal self-driving cars I'm just saying that the majority of people won't want to have that kind of responsibility they'll just want to have one on demand but the storage part is the thing that Alan mentioned that got me I'm like okay yeah even if I'm just taking even if self-driving cars end up being only a minute away and it's it's super easy to just walk out your front door and grab one it won't have your stuff in it that's a good point yeah just having that trunk full of stuff and you know it's just like you know when you can auto when it drives itself you could totally snooze or plan your next good like oh we're good you know tell the car to go to Disneyland what you're doing there you guys are in the car figuring out where what you want to do here's your future startup idea it's way too early for this but the plug-and-play storage compartment that that you could just self-driving car just backs up to and and pulls into its trunk and then your stuff is there with you and then when you get to the where you're going there's a place to park your storage well that was my whole idea of of like for example when you have automated transit or transit but transportation where you the cab of the vehicle is yours and it just bolts into the chassis so everything inside the cab because you won't need to steer you won't need pedals everything will be customized to your liking personalized I have everything you need all it is is it just gets popped under the next available chassis that's rolling or put into the hyper loop yeah right and then the great thing is you don't have to worry about like if you're if you're a hypochondriac you don't want to get germs it's like well this is my own personalized capsule so I know everything's clean or you know this is where I keep all my you know scent hand lotion beach stuff and it gets attached to the quadcopter that yeah well that's the that's the whole thing about modularity if you can do it that way it becomes independence of the actual locomotion mechanism instead it's just your personal you have a whole culture of people that just live in their pods that was an episode so I don't still don't understand how that worked in doctor who like how can you have entire generations live in that like when they need to eat and you know physically get out and get exercise well you're talking about the one that had the big city yeah where everyone kept going rather than jam for generations yeah like when people just atrophy into giant globular masses yeah there's not a lot of exercise in a car I don't know Steve what do you think are we gonna have are we gonna still have car ownership with autonomous cars I think it depends on where you're living because there's another idea that Elon Musk is floating and others that you buy a self-driving car and then when you're not using it you can effectively rent it out to other people when it picks them up and you become like your own personal Uber and you can earn some money that way and also I think it depends on where you live like here in New York I mean I don't want a car take the train and the bus everywhere but if there was a self-driving car system that was easier and faster I just I would totally use that but if you're living in the burbs yeah you probably need to own your own but I mean so many of those things have a knock on effect right like self-driving cars will maybe not eliminate but it'll greatly reduce the need for motels you know rest stops if you need to go you need to go but you know for food and stuff though those get limited and you know it'll be interesting like even the way we develop houses right now at least in the US suburban homes are very garage-centric right three two-car garage and so is in the front I mean at some point like those could easily be turned you know people start building those out and it'll be an optional garage or it can be an extra room or your home theater room or whatever I don't know if this is happening elsewhere but I've noticed in LA they've started staging garages as living space like when I go to open houses the garage always has a couch and a couple of chairs and a TV in it and I'm like that's kind of crazy here where everyone drives but I guess it's not about driving it's about oh a lot of people just don't end up using the garage to put their car in well yeah they leave it out I don't know anything about LA like all I know is at least we're like my parents live in actually where I live very few people put their cars in the garage because the garage uses the storage but you see it when it's open it's filled with stuff like boxes and bicycles yeah I actually put my car in the garage and sometimes when people come over they're like oh wow you put your car in your garage they're like impressed how novel I know like I've achieved something I have a two car garage I can only put one car in it this is technically a two car garage too but it's a two car garage from 1944 so back when people both people and cars were a little slimmer yeah alright well once again thank you Steve for being on, thanks for having around the post show this is great it's Friday afternoon quit in time so alright cool well yeah let's do it again do it again with Justin if we can team up with me and Justin I'll be pretty cool yeah let's try to swing a Thursday one of these sides that'd be great take care guys thanks you see you