 All right, we'll call the meeting order 602 we good to get everything's good audio and video, okay? First on the agenda is to approve the agenda Anything that we need to add or amend to the agenda. I believe Teresa has one or two just one the Chris the roof bid for the town office. I had gone through all the bids and talked to the guy and and You know hired the roofer and then I realized it was coming out of capital money So I need you to make a motion to award the contract to So roofing bid for a town office. You want to put that like behind the American Rescue Plan Act? Yeah Discussion yeah, Christian Hill road bids were in on Friday, and I'm just going through them now So but that doesn't come from capital money, so I can work bid capital money Yep, so my bad All right Yep But I did do a spread which I can go over for you when I get it. Okay All right anything else Okay, all in favor Seven And we do not have any Appointments this evening, so we'll go right to public comment. So there is anything there's one whole person out there Hi, Lenny Lenny you'll have to fight people for the public comment period if you chose to Share I do have something for you. Have you had any update? Oh, did you have any updates on what's going on with the? Pride Fest this year for Bethel. Have you heard anything? Can you hear me? Can you hear me now? Yes, okay. We just need to make you louder. Okay. Yeah I lost you. I lost your side for a little bit there Okay, it's perfect. We can hear you now. Sorry about that Lenny Have you received any updates on what's going on for the Pride Fest this year? I don't think so. Well, I'll give you a Give you a little update. So we have secured we have secured the venues Thursday night. We're going to do a trivia night Friday night, it's going to be at the White Church from six to nine. We are going to have Pride for a prom for all ages. So it's going to be a prom What what Thursday night trivia night, where are you doing that babes, you know what time I'm just trying to put Details in the minutes. I'll send I'm gonna send I can send you We have flyers for things as well each one So I will make sure you get a copy of that. It has the times the dates and where the vent and the venues Okay, I had seen the prom one, but not the other So if you send me them that I'll make myself a note to look for your email so that I Details in the minute, okay, I'll get that to you and we'll post them at the town Perfect. Yeah. So things are shaping up things look good. We're getting volunteers now And we're looking to get sponsors for some more sponsors for it. So Look, I'll just keep you up to date on what's going on and how that's shaping up But it's going to be the weekend of again from the 24th to the 27th of June I think believe that is off the top of my head. Let me just double-check on that. Yeah, so it's Thursday Friday Saturday It's 23rd 24th 25th 26. We're also going to do I'm just a family discussion on queer and sober So that's where we're at that's where we're headed right now and people are signing out for it So it's in good shape and it's moving forward Perfect. Thanks. I will put the details in the minutes. Yeah, and I'll send you and I'll send you that information So that you have it. Thanks. I appreciate it Anything else Lenny you're you're it. So I Did speak to I did let the EIC know that they they are going to look into The stats for the police the state policing thing and get back to you on that. So I did approach them with that. Okay Perfect. Thank you. Other than that. I'm good. How is everyone? We're good. Thank you pray praying for Warm weather and more days more days like this. Yes less snow I won't be here for the next meeting for the next few meetings. So I'll be out of the country for a little bit. Oh Good. Well have fun Yes safe travels What one question I had Lenny? Looking through the EIC's committees meeting The the agenda items for tomorrow night's meeting I guess one question I had was that would be good information to have is in regards to the The declaration of inclusion Peace uh-huh is it does your committee have any information in regards to The number of communities in Vermont maybe that have adopted something like that. Yes, they do and I will make Get that to you. Yeah, that'd be good. I was I was reading through it and it would be kind of good information to have so I'll pass that on Perfect. All right, unless we have any other public comment. We will move forward to Business We have a tessie tavern third in first-class liquor license and an outside consumption permit Yep, so they're opening back up, which is great. So everybody's very excited about that So I didn't I guess the only question I had was on the outside consumption permit And I sorry I did not do my homework ahead of time on this one. It just came to me as we did have some Noise issues years prior when they had the outside going but when we when you so has that been addressed It was addressed at the time and then when you approved it last time We had the same question and there was no issues with them, but it was the address to the RV Yes, don't with it a second time And Because the neighbor was complaining about yeah, it was late after yeah, and I think lighting Yeah, and lighting down with lighting was a thing too, but I think the DRB dealt with a second time I think so too and not a time. They had it. We had no complaints at all. Okay All right, so we just need a motion to approve Can we do it in one motion? We have to have separate motion. No, you can do it in one I'll move that we approve the liquor license applications from Tessie's tavern Yeah, I'm favorite Yeah, I just remember if we had a discussion prior regards to some complaints that we had gotten Sign in three places Dave make sure you sign on the approval Yeah Next time we get a complaint, let me know and I'll go check it out. Yeah Yeah, you don't play so it all goes bad after you Let's actually starting to feel a little bit more like spring outdoor type activities And today Nice A little bit of snow that we got Appreciate it They're doing some road Yeah, and they had it stopped for a good I don't know. I want to say like if you I think the max is true legally you can do is 15 minutes that you can stop I think they were right there. That's the guidelines. Yeah. Yeah, they were they were pushing us I don't blame them every time they had to stop they dragged that metal plate over I'm like yeah, they were probably not That's a hard spot to yeah fix All right next we had Through talking about doing getting ready to some of the variable interest rates that we have out there trees been working on Some fixed variable interest rates for a couple of things we had out there one was to change the terms and agreements of the maskoma bank one And then we also have the tanker truck So as far as the maskoma, I just wanted to Remind you know, we you knew when you signed it that it didn't that it gave you a fixed time period and then a variable time period You knew that would be signed. Yeah, this just gives us an additional 36 months Which so, you know, we're still going to be fixed for a period of time, but we're going to have to You know, um, keep that in mind, you know a few years down the road. They were going to want to look at it But the original loan the original 2.75 million Back in 2013 Yeah, was that as a result of Irene Do we know? Well, suppose it was it was it was that's what it was borrowed as but in reality that couldn't have been right because When I because betha was a three cent town which meant that was what the governor and the legislation did You should have only paid three cents on your grand list. You were looking at less than a hundred thousand dollars So I had gone back when I came as the finance person and went back several years and You know, the highway budgets were really seriously out of whack and it wasn't that money wasn't recovered, you know through Through Irene if it was I don't know. I even went so far as to meet with Meet with someone from town who seemed to have been the one who really understood luchin hinkle He really understood the audits and so I actually called him chris and I met with him one time doing a budget But when I came up with the data and look ten-year look back, I called luchin and said You seem to be the one who's followed the audits of stuff. Does this make sense to you? And he's like this is what I'm looking at numbers and he said yes, so Um, that was one of the reasons that um because it's a debt sort. We couldn't really bid it out Anywhere? I mean we did but you know maskoma was the taker think at that time was that financing because you shouldn't have been It should not have been Irene At that time we had done the math on I think it came to around maybe at the most like 300 and some odd thousand would have been Irene related And then the rest of it was just some of it was things around Irene like And I had I remember going to the board at that time and talking about Delclad on some paving that they were bidding on because they bid on like You know, uh, five or six hundred thousand dollars of paving one year and going and saying you do realize that FEMA is not going to reimburse you for this like FEMA only reimburse you for exactly what got Hurt yes the room. Yeah, so if you want to repair all this other stuff after the fact that's on your dollar He doesn't understand that So there was a lot of other stuff that we did And maybe some of that stuff needed to be done I don't know but and then there was some other things that tied into the You know the period of time of no audits Some budgets that were Um Just overspent. Yeah, just overspent, you know winter budgets and things like that because we were throwing salt around like it was candy Yeah, because it should not. Yeah, a lot of things. So just want to work You know, I could see if it was some Irene stuff that had to get done. We were gonna get reimbursed I will say the majority of it when I was two years after the fact When I went back 10 years Well, they had borrowed the money. They just kept renewing it renewing it renewing it So it was out of ways and then um, but when I did the tenure It all came out of public works. The majority of the overspending came from public works But anyways, I just wanted to remind you that this was um And even with this we still have a variable rate on the end of it But this is gonna give us an extra three years because we did buy down I will say this we were owed money when I came and I finally hounded That's what bought it down from two seven to one four is I bought it down with the FEMA payout with the FEMA money We did get um, so but that was only like Six seven or that was whatever it was, but it wasn't obviously it left us still with that Afterwards, but um, that's what bought it down. Okay. Thanks. So of course you said three years, but this note says 3% until April Of 2032 I said 36 months. No, I thought you said three years So right now gene right now The note that we have on this right now gene is We have a fixed interest rate up until a certain point in the loan And then after that point in the loan it becomes variable So I correct me if I'm wrong here. I'm pretty sure what three said is she's bought us another three years of 30 Yeah, fixed time. Yeah, it was already 3%. I just bought us another 36 months at 3% But it won't be the entire note We still will have variable interest towards the end of the loan unless we At a later date are able to maybe fix interest that piece as well. Yeah, that's not what this says It's not three years from now. It's three years on the end of the fixed rate, which was not not ending right now Okay, so it's 30. So yeah, I'm sorry 29 to 32. Yeah, sorry. Thank you Yeah, I'm sorry. So I'll just make it up three years from now No, no, no, no, okay. It's a few years. I got it. Yeah Yeah, I don't I don't know the exact but it was you know, say we had 10 years of fixed interest with 10 years of variable interest now we'll have 13 years of fixed interest and seven years available I could award it that better gene. I knew what I was saying when I typed I understand now. I just I'm sorry. Yeah, I should and I think we're all you know in agreement of you know, getting fixed interest rates I mean, I just heard back today that the feds are looking at 75 point increase Now Between may and june. Yeah, so that's it's 75 point increase, which is a three quarter So that's from what I heard is like the largest increase since yeah, whatever the 60s or something like that So it's a big one coming So I guess we just need a motion to Extend that fixed variable interest rate at 3% So second Okay on paper All right, does everybody have to sign this one? Yep. Gotcha Make sure you sign up. What are your names at? So I sign under Dave Eddy As long as you have the signature down you're good to go But you decided to steal your pen again And the same thing with the tanker truck. It's a little weird. Yeah, that's for the remains This one was the weird one with the Kansas state bank, right? Yeah, but I was reading it and this is this is fixed for the rest of the The end of the note. Yeah, and it's a little cheaper interest rate and This is the one that if we had When I asked the gentleman because the tail end was variable. I said if we fixed it right now, what would it be? He said five or if we wait, he said 5.2 He's like so we actually got a cheaper rate. I think we dropped from 3.6 to 3.53 If we fixed it for the remainder because you know, they would I read it to chris There's this convoluted terms on how they calculated interest and I asked him I said if you figured that out right now And he was like 5.2. He's like yeah, you're smart It was basically like a percentage over prime or something, right? Remember it was like crazy So we actually ended up getting a better deal I don't know 10th and a half percent better deal right now. Yeah And then we had the variable rate Yeah, but it was a really Was not a very straightforward. Yeah talked about it So I think I want to say it was like 3.69 or something to paint on it right now Something like that, but it was only going to go up from there. Yeah, it was So this one is the same other than this one will Secure the the full length of the remaining part of the loan for 3.53 And then this one will need a motion to To adopt the resolution and does it need do we both have to sign it? You have to sign, but they have to allow me to talk to them about it at some point or something comes up So that's why as authorized individuals to execute the refinancing. So you'll sign, but I um, so authorized myself to Be the signature on it and then to reach to the authorized individual to Have discussions in regards to Yeah, I spelled out the motion because he was pretty clear on what he needed So moved second Okay, all in favor And I and I believe that takes care of Everything that we have out there right now that we had liability for that we can that we can deal with. Yeah variable interest rates Yeah, the good thing about the bond bank is they constantly are looking at it to see if they you know If they do they'll they'll You know do it and refinance You know it automatically and I sent her she actually asked me about one. It was the bond for Here, but because of the type of bond it was we get interest refunded to us Two ways a year and so she said yeah, I can't eat that right so So right now we're in a better position. So All right Is this the one with the special pen? Yeah No, I hand wrote that in my pen, but you have to sign in blue This one she sent the guy knows Check it. You're trying to slip on by him I don't know kind of shady system you get going on here in trees, but Do your signature Tank truck needs a dozen signatures and 1.4 million It seemed like this is that enough should I take time read the fine print trees? I did but I put in your practice so you'd have time to do that Yeah No, we just have the next is the annual adoption of the local emergency management plan So kelly goes through it. I go through it. Dave alter. Get he goes through it and then There's several forms. You have to send it to um to the local regional planning commission and Of course, there's contact information which the state gets and all that so, um That's something you do every year before me That every town does every year before me Anybody have any Comments with it good Couldn't publish That one's just um Adopt and I I sign it I sign it and use I sign it because I have ICS 100 and 200 you have to sign it Okay So just need a motion to adopt The local emergency management plan so I'm Second in favor We had results of the town meeting survey So we've got some data back in our packet regards to the questions that went out I think right now is kind of more just the board You know kind of taking some time to look at the survey questions and answers and Um And I would say well, we're appropriate for us to You know Start talking about these as a agenda item. Um, if if warranted I don't know if we really need to make any decisions tonight, but it's more of a You quickly kind of just looking through it look like question one, which is more more geared towards the planning commission You know, it seemed like the responses were We're relatively favorable for all three choices We're going to talk about this one at the planning commission Meeting in may because two rivers is coming because we're part of that seven town consortium of updating our zoning regs I don't know if you guys got to go to one of those classes. Um on the Whatever date I'd mentioned the 20 20 21st. Yeah 20 21st. I went to the 20th. I couldn't do the 21st, but Very interesting the information that came out of there. We already knew that we were looking at You know like 4 000 housing units short by 2030, but what he went on to talk about was how Some of this is going to be peep towns like figuring out was zoning The you know, um, someone who still lives in a really big farmhouse just mom and pop and so how do we Get them to make it more affordable for them. Maybe they end up Putting an apartment into the top of the house or one of the interesting things is condos, which you don't think of but You could you know, you take this house and you divide it in half and then they could keep theirs downstairs And then they could actually sell the top floor as a condo. So it's really interesting. Um Are talking about trying to really figure out creative ways to Increase density is not just subdivisions and new houses it's taking existing places and Turning them into duplexes. I mean, certainly burlington did that and I will say after having a daughter at uvm and lived in some real hovels that uh, they turned these big victorians into really tiny sometimes crappy apartments, but They were putting a lot of people in a small spot and um, that's kind of how it is here I mean, we we have such a limited footprint exactly so it's we don't really have a lot of options to To increase their footprint, but maybe some out of the box options to You know, so that'll be some of the change existing We're talking about at, you know at the planning commission meetings and that two rivers is kind of starting to talk to us about And so it was good to see that people were positive about us trying to figure out increased density in any conversation about uh tiny house Little tiny house community Not that I've heard seven or eight, you know Yeah, I haven't heard about that. I did ask kevin geiger and steven bowyer the other night at a meeting if they I was looking for some names of some developers that might be interested There's some, you know, there's a place down here was at 104 north main that burnt. I know they're interested in doing You know selling possibly that property. So if there's you know, are there some developers, you know, I did I don't understand the whole details of the bill that was passed But it looks like there's certainly money going to be coming into the system from the governor to um, which I I readily admit I don't know all the details about about developing and trying to increase You know housing there's a currently so for it's done county by county, but if you Uh, if you're willing to have your apartments anything that you renovate or create into new apartments the They'll give you 30 000 per unit But you have to agree to leave them as low-income housing for five years And so you have to rent them at the whatever the low-income housing threshold is so that's that program just launched like two weeks ago um, and I'm actually meeting with somebody and a few other downtown business owners to talk about how do we Take some of the the empty spaces that could be apartments But for one reason or another are stuck in this limbo of can't be apartments and Generate housing out of those. So there's there's definitely some entities 30 thousand dollars. Yeah, that's the it's done county by county So I think it's the Windsor housing trust, I think If you forward it to me, I'm just curious. Yeah, it's a grant application process So you have to apply and get approved But it's up to 30 000 per unit And then really the the biggest thing is the agreement for Keeping it as low-income housing for up to five years because I know one of the things that We've talked about is not just low-income, but it's actually just Coined degrees of somebody who's worker housing, you know, just so that's the that'll be interesting But I think even just like you were mentioning a few here But there's a lot along this stretch that are currently Empty that could be housing and I think they're just sort of hung up in different phases of whether it's legal or insurance or codes or different Things and I think the state is trying to aggressively identify what the issues are And someone might be just a lack of education of what could you do? And that would be your property, right? Right, sure. So and I think as we get that information putting it out is going to be valuable because I do think We kind of need if you know the house it was I don't know like Someone from the state or someone from two rivers or an identifying Organization like that that maybe could come Let's say have a night here at the town hall where you can invite Owners, you know in town to come in and hear about opportunities or ideas of what they could do with their structure Or yeah mix that with the planning or this is what we could do more if we I think as the details get flushed out because I mean there's even houses on church street That are large homes that just maybe one person lives in that You know But I think it's hard because if they don't have the money themselves So knowing that there's grant opportunities, and that's why I was trying to find out about any developers And I think a lot of just comes to this lack of education of what you possibly can't do with your structure It's so hard to keep up with all the state, you know legislation and the grants and all that And the yeah, the reason I ask about tiny houses is some communities are doing install in But arranging for tiny house You know seven or eight Units on what was formerly a lot. Yeah, right and someone could come to the town to zoning with that And and that's incredibly affordable housing for A small family the hard part for us right now is there's really no I mean there's not a lot of open land But that's that's something that We might consider outside of The village districts where we've got now got a five or 10 acre If if that could be partitioned down to less than yeah, that's why we're that's why that Currently where we're working on I mean I know right now that the planning commission is in favor of cutting all the zones in half And so but with you know, there's also other options There's still a a planned unit development Which yes put some of the cost on the owner to develop You know septic and water and things like that, but when they go to sell those lots, they're going to make back their money Right, but yeah, that's certainly all we're talking about and and so it's interesting to hear But some really neat ideas and I think um, so it'll be interesting to see what all comes out down the road But thank you for that lovely. Yeah, I'll forward you the yeah, that'd be great. Thank you What was your second and question two was in regards to the constable And I know we spent some time on How does it get worded correctly? Yeah, well And I here look at For the most part it looks like The yeses and noes were pretty close together And then when you kind of go through the individual you looked at the individual comments through here The ones that do provide comments I think in a lot of times Like we talked about like trying to find the right wording what what we're actually we're asking, you know, I think some of the yeses may not Be completely on board with what we were thinking and I think some of the noes were The same thing. I think there was like, you know, some misinterpretation there, but I think it's clearly I think there's um You know clearly looks like an item for us to investigate and look into further and collect more data or more comment and You know, I think there was definitely You know It didn't go one way or the other in in an extreme. It was pretty much down the middle I think too. Some of them are interesting. You know, some of them are why not the Windsor county sheriff? You know, that was like a 40 000 a year Or we have Vermont state police. Why do we need anything, you know, so and that's still if we wanted to contact with them It's still and I like everybody else, you know, the police agencies are Busy so yeah, this was kind of the weird thing about survey monkey was we were trying to allow some comments and it's Oh, I think it's good data to have and I think it I think this is definitely one of them that we want to put on our list of you know It's probably one that we'll talk about at multiple sessions. I feel I I do think that A number of the A number of the Windsor county sheriff Things were no votes And if people understood that we're not talking about police But we're talking about a constable right That that's I mean, I think we may have You know, some people And and you you'd said what the details or the duties were And I don't know how you could be more clear, but I mean we had some people that said no They wanted to see two part-time constables, you know, like which is there was one was like one person Yeah, so there was like, you know, some of those where you're like, uh, that's you know Yeah, but what are we getting out of that right now? I think you know, right That's hard. But some of the no-comers were pretty well thought out. Oh, absolutely. There was some in there that really, uh, Yeah, I think they were more good. No How can I put this more good? No comments We'll explain no comments and yes comments. Yeah So, yeah, I think it's an ongoing battle, you know in the sense that you do you Yeah, people who you know don't want it and then the people that do but people when they're in a situation They want the coverage and unfortunately, it's really not about just an Oscar there Is the have with their full-time obligations which is taking them away from here because their Organizations have a shaft staffing shortage. So it's So we're not getting No, because right now we're right now. We're not being served. No, not really And that's kind of what you know, and they're trying to waste part our Discussion and budget time was you know, how how well Not just how can we do more about how can we just at least do what we Say we're doing now, right? It's difficult to justify the expense when you're really not getting the coverage or you don't see the person very often or you know, so I think the first piece would be finding out trees and we could put this on for An agenda item to talk about the next meeting because maybe first is find out what what kind of coverage are we going to be looking at for This foreseeable features. I'm not even sure they know right now. I mean until last time it was Last time it was you know, Justin couldn't do anything because of He was on mandatory overtime with the sheriff's department. So I think he still is where before what he'd do is take his regular time The sheriff's and then any I guess you would call potential overtime is he would come to Bethel and spend that time but now that he's On mandatory and maybe they are still like that. I don't know and in oscar was full-time and yeah, and I thought in plus realton got some money for doing You know the governor's Safety and stuff on the interstate patrols and stuff through there and I think they're still short because they had a guy that left that's the hard part is People just like every no, you know, it seems like a lot of people do not want to be police officers And right now and it's hard to find people. I mean there's towns with with large gaps in um Policing that they just nobody can do the hires. It's like like we talked about for years, you know, we The constable piece work. Well, I mean, you know at one point, you know mark was the constable for three towns at the same time So you're able to share, you know pieces with each town and make that work in a hybrid model, right like Where now we maybe don't have that opportunity as much to do that or maybe we do maybe maybe that's an option You know, we reach back out and see if we all can share Because someone got rid of theirs Yeah, there's a grainville a hand cart one of the two Yeah, I think I think what we Yeah, you know, I think the first thing would be to do is put on the agenda and we should Come up with you know, just the first thing is just throw the sticky notes on the board and say What are our options, right? Like just list them all and then we can start You know, is this viable for a community, you know get been put on these different pieces, right? I mean I'm sure there's probably a couple dozen ways to do it, right? Yeah So if the board is good with that, I think it's a good one for us to Put on the next agenda and probably will be an ongoing agenda, right? Because it was Rochester Bethel Hancock. Yeah, and then question three, which was the cannabis retail piece So that so it looked like that was you know, my take on it was mostly an overwhelming large majority of people that wanted to see us bring that to a vote So that's good. That means it goes on the warrant So, you know, we don't again don't have to make a decision on that, but it seems like something at, you know October timeframe that we should you know be thinking about for the warning And then the You know the two-part question, which the first part was, you know the floor vote versus australian ballot And then the second part was if you did australian ballot, you know The election of the Officers versus the budget portion of it split and it I would say pretty much was Down the middle on both of them. Well, I think it's it's difficult because You know 154 people answered the first question And 101 answered the part two I think no matter what because Lenny helped us with that wording and we really worked on that wording and I still think it's It doesn't matter anyways It's gonna it legally has to come to town meeting when you have to vote on an in-person at town meeting so it will be certainly talked about there, but um Yeah, still We tried we tried to get the questions very Felt like we defined it. We talked about australian ballot. You know, we we did that but um So I still Think it's I think that we didn't get any overwhelming No, because I I don't know how you decide what overwhelming. Well, I mean if I don't make it up like if well in any election if 90% said they wanted Australian ballot then I guess but in any election if you had a 14 point spread. Oh, yeah, you would say that's an overwhelming Yeah, victory. Yeah, so I I think that the problem or that that may be or something that we couldn't Articulate in this survey Is I wonder if people really understand that if the everything went australian ballot that town meeting is done That there is no town meeting after that And I'm not you know, that was just our how would you say that? You know, we were trying to word these questions in this specific We were trying to give them information and but it's so I I just wonder And I I think we did the best we could I think a lot we talked about, you know, had we Had been able to do town meeting from the floor this year that That there would have been some discussion On the question before the vote, right? So there would have been A brief summary of what this what this question would mean to the voters, which hopefully would Answer some of those questions that you know, this means that you know Other than being symbolic, there would be no business done on town meeting day, right? Not say you couldn't have a town meeting. Yeah, well, it wouldn't be this. It wouldn't be business No, all the voting is done in australia, right? But they still have their town meeting It's just not the same as what they're used to, you know what I mean? Well, certainly is for Randolph, but I mean if you went from Like Bethel being a what I point as a hoot and holler to a vote. It's it's just different And that's all I guess my wording is and they wouldn't completely go away. It would just Completely different. So yes, it would be sorry. I should have said anyway. I just But it definitely sounds like You know an item that we'll be talking about again at Absolute warning time of you know How do we put it on the warning and try to make it as Easier to vote on as possible, you know without confusion, you know, because obviously you'd have to have something like You know, if you went australian ballot, what would your piece be? Well, the good news is it'd be a discussion because we'd be at town meetings. So we'd be able to Hear everybody's thoughts on what would be what what's good? You know pros and cons and really be able to talk about it. You would be able to hear the thoughts of the people Who attended the meeting. You would not be able to hear the thoughts of everybody. Right. That's true This is where I think that's important. Yeah, it's true. And but for us, we can't help it. I mean, it's I know that I'm just no I know, but you're right. I mean, I get what you're saying But we would don't come if they can't come or don't come or you're right But we would also have the ability You know the opportunity everybody would have the opportunity to Take advantage of the hybrid model of coming in person while we're talking about the question Or you know, like we do when we're reviewing the budget and the warnings There'd be several opportunities for everybody to come have that opportunity to either Skype in from home come in person And attend in person. So there'd be, you know, three opportunities for everybody Reach out to a select board member, you know, there's a way we'll have to try to do some more outreach Maybe, you know, from poor to more imposed space to try to get people to reach out So if they're not can at least get some feedback from them. So I mean the hard part is Actually is so we can know what they're thinking, but if they're not there to vote We get still, you know what I mean because I do know what Yeah, that's who And I know how that is like I so I mean, here's a perfect example of like You know, I had like counted it right to the people that I knew I had 59 people I knew 100 we're gonna vote for me for school, right? And then then I got like 27 29 votes, right? And I started asking like they do oh, we're not we didn't even vote We just figured you were gonna get it anyway, you know, I mean, so it's like, you know, there's a lot of people that just They, you know, you There maybe they had the opportunity to help you didn't, you know, they assumed something over the other and just You know, you know, we just assumed that the budget was going to pass and you were going to get in So we didn't vote anyways, you know, and then that then ended up being the case, you know, right That's kind of interesting. Yeah, some people unfortunately vote don't vote because they don't think their voice is going to count or you know, That's sad or all the people that I tried To get there to overthrow Lindley, but Listen, you got that one vote Next time, that's right. Yeah, I but yes, I do think it's an issue Yeah, yeah, there's definitely a beat Sounds like that one, you know, both the marijuana one and uh, yeah Australian versus floor will be discussed again here. Yeah, and then the the sixth Question there was in regards to the better connections grant and you know, what would This one becomes a little more cumbersome because it's like, you know, what would you like to do with the The monies and and then you know Tried our best to put it into a category of you know, is it uh Pedestrians and walkway or is it something to do with parking or trails or Yeah, this was the other category You know tied sidewalks and pedestrians So you'd have to dive into the other category to figure out what were all those others She put this little chart together for us and Kelly did this other chart But we did share this Kelly already gave this to rebecca sandborn stone as part of the better connections and Um, you know, some of them were you know loose water sewer freeze, which we hear about and um Certainly a better cell and wi-fi coverage, you know, we've actually with now there's at and t and horizon up on the upon the Tower at the town garage. So I think that's helped a little bit but um, you know, move in the shooting range out of town So I think everyone who lives on bicentennial would love that idea Probably someone went from bicentennial past few days There's been somebody over there. They really lighten the place up Here in them. I usually can hear from my house. I haven't heard anything, but I wasn't around over the weekend And today So there's there's information for that question six, but I don't I think you really have to do a little dive That's what the better connections is about. Yeah, I think you have to just do a little diving to see where Those pieces come together. Um, so we gave it to rebecca. So she'll have it because obviously she's trying to gather data and So, um I thought it was helpful. I mean, I think it was worth doing it might be something to consider doing again next year But I think it's always yeah, I mean anytime Anytime that we can pull Some of the potential Um Goals or things, you know conversations that we've been having and different things to get any type of buy-in, you know In some of these we like the marijuana one for instance like I Probably would have thought that it would have been 50 50 or maybe a little more nose than yeses But then it was most, you know, a majority of yeses now Now did that mean just the yeses came and did that when the nose didn't go to vote or what? They just want to That's a good gene has made a good point he's right or is it that people just want to vote I think he's oh, you just want to vote on it to say you don't want to vote Whether they're for it or again Right, but you're right That's that's an excellent point. Yeah, it's hard to know But I don't know I think it is good to hear from people and give people opportunity to put in the comments So anything else in regards to the town meeting survey, I mean it looks like Just just one comment on the the town meeting australian thing we might want to have a An open forum hearing About that just to just to just you know somewhere after the first year Before you finalized the before we before we finalized a warning So sometime in october or something or no, what it went ever, but I think the closer to the town meeting And after that So that we And and really publicized that in Front page forum and newspapers and so on and so forth that we're going to have this conversation So that people Those who will attend the meeting and those who will not Can have a chance to provide some direct Yep, and we can be sure everybody understands what we're talking about right before That's just a before town meeting just an idea and then we had talked about you know our ongoing Health officer Functions of the town and you know looking at this on you know is the compensation factor You know accurate compared to other communities and you know we talked about This position as well as other ones or we have increased other ones so You know If we well, we are looking for somebody so how do we more attract somebody or Or it's worth their time to Volunteer We may have another we may have an interested party at the next select board meeting That's interested in being a health officer, but See when we get to it. Do we have any idea how many hours Any year I don't and I've done it the last two weeks and at least right now I've spent I don't know maybe half a dozen phone calls and I don't know maybe an hour today on this animal bite thing, you know, so What about you pa? But it comes in spurts. Oh, I don't know if you're doing any research yet or anything Oh research, yeah, I've been doing the reading in this I don't know. I haven't I've sent an email to to Neil So I guess in my two weeks that I've been doing it if I was going to like bill for my hours, it would probably be like two hours You know, I think all I've used but but again, it could be like two hours one week And you could be or for two weeks and it could be 10 hours the next time if you You know, you could be nothing for a month And in one of the cases I've had like a half a dozen phone calls with this one individual Haven't actually gone to do the site visit now the site visit does happen Pretty extensive checklist that will probably because I've done one before it took me about two hours to do it And then there's a lot of write up behind the scenes. So it's probably a three or four hour type adventure on that Hopefully pause on board by then But you know That'll be the good thing about this time frame or the next health officer is we will That's one thing we're gonna get is to figure out exactly how many more hours and what what is it entailing? So we know better for the future because And we don't see too many of those types of cases like you're working on Over on the in the mobile home. Well, what you get a lot of is the Most of them are normally tenant versus landowner right disputes in regards to something like right heat or functioning something in their house that may be not be working or But each one of those you have to do that Check list to do the inspection. Um, which takes some time Which is a couple hours And then follow up paper at least as much time to report it. Yeah And you know again, it could be I don't know. They're so sporadic. Can we just I don't know I still don't know other than two weeks. I've done about a half dozen phone calls and one animal fight report Which took me like an hour today to do That was it Now I just jinxed myself. I'll probably yeah, so I can't handle it now. Where's good like But I but looking at the information that Um That kelly put together, you know, and I know I had just kind of Without looking at any of the towns and this kind of figuring on what I thought the hours would be You know, I had thrown out. I think $2,400 was the number I kind of thrown out last time But it looks like, you know You know the high if you look at the communities that are somewhat similar in size You know the high was 6,000 and the low was well other than ourselves The low was $1,500. So let's say you take the You know, let's say you take the high one out, you know, you're you're in that, um, 3700 to You know, 1700 area, you know, I guess I would suggest and this is not a motion yet $25 an hour And that we would then from now until We put together a budget for 20 the next fiscal year Would give us some indication of how much that would be So you're saying pay someone 25 an hour now Okay, well, I just want to be clear about this people because you know, it's you're going to be grilling me later when the budget comes over I don't have any place to take the money. So we'll have to figure where we're going to cut from. I just want to say So I was I was looking at it a little bit differently from gene, but similar numbers of 25 an hour, but averaging and saying Let's say it takes eight hours a month that might be a little more that might be a little less but somewhere in there Um, it actually works out to 24 and I was just picking that based on what you were saying But it actually worked out to 2400 for the year. I mean quick math just based on what you were saying at 25 I was just saying let's say you have to do one of those residential Full visits every two weeks. So say every two weeks you do one. So that's like four or five hours of billable service over the course of 28 periods that would be like $3,500 If if that was consistent, I don't think it's probably that consistent. So it'd probably be less than $3,500, you know um I don't know the only challenge you have for me at least on my other things is As a board we have a harder well entries. We have a harder time of managing Whoever the health officer is in regards to what their billable hours would be, right? I guess it's almost on an honesty system Yeah, I mean if I was doing it, I would probably downplay my hours and what they really were, you know tight deal Where someone could you know you could string it along a little bit if you wanted to Where I guess a flat rate your You're on salary, right? Probably you that person's going to be more efficient. You know So the current budget's $600 has been paid to neil I don't know. I don't think so And there's and there's 600 in the next budget cycle Right now So 600 at 25 an hour is 40 what 44 hours hours No, it hasn't been 24 hours It's clear to me that we're out of sync. Yeah, it hasn't been. Oh, it's definitely, you know I'm trying to find a reasonable way to to give us Some information at least for next the next budget cycle Recognizing that we're We're going to Whatever we do. Yeah, we we're gonna we're gonna Blow that part of the budget. So well the interesting part is too is what if you do if you do an hourly rate I guess in a way then you could pay if the deputy health officer works the deputy health officer gets paid that hourly rate Or if it's however, you divvy up the duties unless we're just going to split this in half and say the deputy health officer gets half No, I think you know, I mean I don't know how to do it Yeah, I'm not sure is how because the regular officer will be handling the bulk. I would assume when the bulk of the Response times and stuff. So maybe if it's an hourly rate, it's fair Well, I think it gives it gives you That's a good point 24 hours In the next budget cycle at 25 an hour So you could say not to exceed That amount for the next budget cycle. You mean the one that starts in july? Yes Not well, I mean, it's okay if we overspend the budget. I mean, we're gonna save money somewhere else I'm okay. I just want to be but we don't have no idea how many hours we're talking about right exactly a year Right, whereas the stipend I get well. I know it's a tough We have we have potentially two we have two people right now who I think we can trust to be to be Realistic about what they provide for an hourly their hours put in And I mean realistic chris Hey, I again, I limited calm time right however, you know, I'm really good and you're using it to play the health officer As part of as part of a Way I just again if we were to go with an hourly rate At present We would have but when we start building a budget for the The next budget exactly. Yeah, we would have had what eight months A better idea while we're building it on I get that. No, I'm okay with overspending. I just want right. I'll know you overspend the budget That's fine. I I'm I'm trying to see if how we can figure out what Might be yeah, I think that's you're right I mean because when I go back and build budgets, I'm looking at two or three years And I need data to do that and you're right a stipend doesn't really give us the data But an hourly rate does Um, I will say the person who is maybe may be interested in being health officer Is not interested in being paid. He wants the deputies to be paid, but he doesn't so you know could be a Well, and that's one thing that we have to Would have to control too is I know the health officer can deputize You know the world, but You know the the idea behind He has to file paperwork with the state The idea behind the health officers the health officers in charge of this deputies if needed are you know kind of One-offs to help out with something or if I'm Not able to if I'm out of country or in the hospital or you know help so I I think we just would Wouldn't want to see like the health officers Putting hours on the deputies putting hours on it, you know, we're like double dipping hours on stuff You know, I mean kind of would have to be some sort of Even if we found someone who was willing to donate their time I would request a time time sheet of a time sheet Yeah, like a monthly or quarterly report or something But so I mean I think the hourly rate is a good idea, I guess and now that you say that Gina makes sense about me It does in paul. Yeah, it makes sense. And then we can quantify what we're dealing with and in the meantime I mean paul's gonna be in the keys of a three-year appointment And whoever takes on next you're going to make that decision before you appoint them whether if you don't think they're trustworthy They're not going to be not going to point them as health officer. Anyways, so But you yeah, it could be Only way to figure out exactly Well, the only other unless you only other have them file a monthly report The only other Town position while they're voted is listers and Listers are on hourly And you know without going and looking at all I would say they're somewhere around 20 dollars an hour. So that's not very Probably somewhere around there. Yeah Maybe not that they're 17. Yeah, I was gonna say no or because you sure one is one is one is there I'd have to look at That's right because one is there actually three are paid at different rates. Well, of course, louise has been there for a while There were some different levels, right? Yes, that's right. And so you're right. One of them is not I think one may be around 17 one's more maybe less so But well, I'm just just thinking devil's advocate here if we give you know This position 25 is that fair to the listers that 17 18, you know, I mean, I don't know. Well, there we have some other employees that are Making the 25 dollar kind of range too for they're not necessarily full-time employees of the town. Yeah So, you know Yeah, no, I think there's no benefits to either. There's no benefits to the position Specialized background. Yeah, well, and it's it's there's a lot of decision-making capacity that goes with that role. So it certainly is nothing nobody want to pay money. So I guess the first piece is what does the board think about compensation on an hourly versus salary or All the rate hourly versus stipend Do do we feel favorable on an hourly rate or do we feel more On a stipend? I feel fine with hourly I think it's good with hourly. Obviously gene's good with hourly. Yeah, I'm good. We're lonely. What about you Dave? Yeah, I guess It's it yeah because it's only it's the only fair thing because if there was nobody We save money, but if they had 10 hours a week for the whole year Yeah Sometime would be you would blow your budget big time and then and then you know if we did this and maybe we just do it For now like until we get to Budget time and then maybe at budget time So in the meantime, so if we seems like Consensus is hourly and then based on that Gene has talked about a 25 dollar an hour rate, what does the board feel about The compensation hourly Feel free to jump in I'm thinking 20 because to go from 600 dollars to 25 dollars an hour I understand these other numbers are a lot larger, but Also the if I read the requirements correctly 25 dollars isn't enough if you can do all of it and we're not going to have that person If you're having to be qualified in all those all those things that a health officer is supposed to be able to do You're talking a 45 dollar an hour man And I guess some things that I did leave out too is you know, obviously when you come on board just Not just training but a lot of reading to do. I mean It's probably you know several hours of that That didn't talk but yeah on the other side as you said, there's no yeah, excuse me There are no no benefits right So that's that's that's upwards of 30% So people there but there's no benefits that people are getting And um, I mean that we take out fight gun ready. That's it obviously So if you if you were at 20 and 30% is normally Benefits then you know you've talked back at like 25, right? I mean, I feel okay about 25. I feel like given Given where things are going with wages currently, but also what this position entails and the type of person we'd be looking for I feel like It's worth compensating somebody for doing a A hard job And it's not an easy job I mean you're doing people in times and situations when they're not, you know at their best and it's difficult and it's Well and having to follow up in timely Manors, I feel like there's some incentive to Actually getting paid for your time if if time is of the essence and in certain cases and we've heard one of them It's this board, you know the time is important in this and you don't want to put it off because You're prioritizing your paying work over the volunteer piece well I You know, I know what my time is worth No, and I um If I'm taking time out of my work schedule to deal with things, I mean, you know, my time is worth something Absolutely, and I think that's a fair rate So we want to try try the 25 dollars an hour and You know Collect data between now and October and I mean what I can do Hopefully it's not much longer, but I If you want to give me a couple of the Hourly sheets, I'll just fill them out so you can see what kind of time is involved but I hope in that So but I can document some hours right now Just so that you have I hear this big log jam of my failure in the health department Like six months behind on the paperwork. That's right. You could be on that website forever All right, Paul, you're never getting off that website now. That's right. That's right. It says three years But it'll have you forever So we'll need a motion for that because the auditors will be looking for that so to pay the You're gonna pay the health officer to have any health officer you painted both that rate So we should we put something in the air? Well, how long would this Till deem Otherwise or Well, it's weighted as always is. I mean until you change it So move $25 Is that is that for the health officer and deputy? Yes. So whoever okay Okay, so moves and seconded all in favor The um American rescue plan money discussion Am I recalling that you said there were more comments Oh, I didn't write them down. I just yeah, it's been about the roads. So I just I didn't handle it So I just want to let you know that so I'm meeting with Rita tomorrow at 845 to walk the sidewalk from in front of um John Janice Giffords down to the school to look at the sidewalk project to see What that'll be if to write that grant Because obviously you guys had agreed that we wanted to file for it or write it Plug the street sidewalk. Yeah, and then we want me to get you the some prices on that Well, I mean, no, I'm gonna walk it with Rita tomorrow. I'll tell you I'll send you some measurements I figured you'd want to know some numbers Maybe easier for you. We're gonna go measure it and look at some stuff. So you got a wheel, right? Yep. And um So anyways, uh, so yeah, it was so we just got a couple more comments about you know, we also have the Money saying the section of sidewalk theory out by the library. That's a really rough sheet from We'll call it from like the telecom building. Oh, yeah Down to the wall And speaking of the wall, have you seen that it's on the road right now? I know Lots of concrete pieces of the road. Yeah, I know I you know what I was saying. I might be another Call to the district to say, hey, have you seen that all lately and what that's looking like? Well, you know what I wondered well, so let me just finish the american rescue so that So the side only reason I'm we're looking at this specific sidewalk is to write that specific grant So we haven't looked at anything else yet, but this will all come out with a better connections project And one thing we get through that it opens us up for more money So my thought about the wall was you know, you have the things where you do the pool now Gunlight gunlight gunlight. You know what I'm thinking. Why can't they just come up? And I know I talked to someone about and they can actually form it So you could take the fish down spray gunlight and then hang the fish back up But you could also form it so the big chunks that have come out where there's gaps in it I'm thinking why wouldn't the state do that because Well, they want to unlock because there's probably something causing that stuff to come out Well, they're gonna be a big can aware. Thank you for telling the saying that it structurally sound I didn't see the call from a lady Up behind linda samson and she had some rebar and her in the ground And so she reached out because the person she had come look at the stone wall and so he's like I don't think you should touch that. He's like so I emailed Chris at the state and said hey I don't know who's in charge of the wall, but This you know lady I see see her on the email and I said she's got information She has a situation going on and somebody might want to look at it but I mean it's still over a million dollar project for the state and They keep telling us it structurally sound, but my thinking is Just spray it with something Make it look nicer Paint it. I don't care, but we had chunks are coming out. We talked about that A couple years ago before the fish, which was yeah Not so much structurally take it down It was can you do something with it? Can you do something on the surface to make it look better and I had seemed interested in doing anything I talked to chris bump about it a while ago and um the last year I guess But again, I'm supposed to send someone out the only reason why I mentioned that is because the state of mind has Buku amount of transportation dollars right now that they are having a hard time getting Projects to the street. So they have all this money and I'll tell them, you know, so maybe there's an opportunity to Hey, if you want to spend some money, there's a wall that could be We talk I talked to the four guy about it every year several times And they and they And I think before it was the state had the state owns one one of the properties right about it, right? Yeah, the one right about yeah, they're going to tear it down because they had to empty it out We shut the water off. They're supposed to tear it down. They didn't buy the one They needed both of them, didn't they? No, well, they saw the price tag on it. I know, but they ideally needed both of them I thought I don't know what they're going to do, but they didn't know because you've done The attention was to tear down That the grave house. Yeah, so that they could work on the wall So they had the lady The the agreement with the owner of gay for a time to be able to still be in there And then they all of a sudden gave her notice that you've got like two months to get everything out of there Not that they had any day because linda talked with the state There's no date in mind that they're going to tear it down But they just wanted it empty so that when they got around to it It would be empty. They did not worry about it. So there's still no date because linda, you know, linda's concerned about How they're going to get to They're going to go Right up her right up past her door yard there with heavy equipment, you know, yeah To tear it down and all that so no it was what it went on the market the house before linda bought it I sent the I told chris bump I said, hey You might want to tell somebody That that house is up for sale and then I think that they did and I think that they probably saw You know the market well, this might be something to revisit now that the state had some money And then flux of money over the next four years Well, I'm gonna see chris this week because we're meeting. Um, there's any time that Is the time I'll ask him about it. Well, we're doing pannello pannello bridge Or if they want to dedicate some extra money to the mountain road That'll be time. That's right Because we could use that I mean that yeah, that's true Just give it to us. We'll figure out what to do with it. Yeah, the wall. No, no the money. Oh, yeah Right, exactly every town we don't need to talk about it. Just hand it on over. That's true Well sad things we'd probably spend it More efficiently Right And then we had the roof bid for the office Somebody might jump down a little bit Yeah, I did So, uh, I awarded the bid because the one bidder was, you know, there's a difference of over $20,000 between the two bids But I did, you know, talk to both people did a comparison of materials square footage what we're using Um, they both were using very, you know similar architectural shingles. They're using the same Um underlayment the same, you know, ice water whole thing So I just think one is, you know staffing one is a bigger operation than the other more staff to pay that sort of thing so I had Obviously made sense to do so and um, then I was thinking about it later and I was like, oh That's capital money. So I just need a motion the select board to award the town hall roof placement to town office Town office, thank you to bob conif and and that's the last piece of the puzzle for For the building for a while No, no, no, no, we still have um, well once that's done, we'll insulate the attic. So that shouldn't be too huge Um, then don't forget our underground fuel tank. The what? Underground fuel tank. Yeah That's right next door. The Teresa's tank. Yeah So that will be so we will I have a price to take that little addition off, which is Junk anyways and but there's the tank is under to remove that so it would actually increase parking because we would Be able to you know, we have to deal with that and then tim melz and I had talked about because why there's There's a fire hydrant right there odd spot and then There was some other building And and I remember funny Tim asked me, well, what's in it? I said, you don't pay me enough To climb down that bank and look in that building. There's no way so So somebody finally did and it was like a a sister maybe of some sort in there So it could it's possible that if we could get Depending on our easement with the railroad that if we tore that off We could move that hydrant and possibly increase parking a little bit right there. So There's that and um, you know, let's face it I probably could stab a butter knife through the outside of the wall of the building at some point We'll have to be resided But I think the main part is energy efficiency and because we've got the basement hold out in the basement You know done the furnaces in good shape And so we'll get in the roof of place because right now, you know, we've just basically created a chimney, right? So we're using Gas propane What are we using now oil oil number two oil? Yeah And um, so it'll just make it more efficient, you know, there have I think all at some point I don't know when the windows are replaced except for two One in one of the bathrooms and one in the town clerk's office and I did talk to someone about replacing those because um When someone was out power washing the building Pam's window leaked in it's on this Yeah, so it's no good there So we also need to create a box To go around the air conditioner so that because her air conditioner is built into the wall So there needs to be an insulated box there and you know, it's hard. I talked to someone about doing it But everybody's been busy. So um Some things like that just to Yeah, we should take a look at that. Yeah, so just improve efficiency And like I said, do where I'd like to replace those two windows I don't know why they didn't when they did replacement windows why they left Were they talking about taking the safe out back then we're going to have to blow that wall out Well, he did I asked. Yeah, I asked um the fire department about it because that save is just It should have gone when gene got rid of hers and I talked to um, Dave Altragetti and he said, you know, we can't You know, because I'm like, can't you just cut it like don't you have to The building was built around the same and he was like, oh he said we are forever. He said that they um He said that no would probably catch the building on fire So he said the only way you could get it out trees He said you'd have to where the window is right now in the zoning area. He said open that up And take it out and I said when we reside this place, we will do that Because I don't know how they got those safes in there because they weren't they went in first I don't know because I asked well that porch didn't used to be there So David is probably better Which porch? The front porch, right? It's always been there. Oh, I thought gene told me the other day It wasn't a porch. That's where you unload your milk your milk can It was a loading dock. It was a loading dock. Oh, so we talked about it and Really, I want to call it a porch. So when we do reside the building that safe is going out Well, David Altragetti said, you know, we could pop that window out and he said, yeah But I said that because it's it could be just more efficient use of the space Certainly But so anyways, we just need a motion to award the bid question Why are we has there been any thought given to Standing seam rather than shingles. Yep We have a standing seam now and it's very expensive everything slides right out into the road So we're actually going back to shingles because it's like wouldn't bob tell me and and just in 600 Gee, it's it's insanely expensive And so we have standing seam and both agreed that we should go back to shingles just for part of the way It comes off the roof when you get a slower melt. You get a slower melt with the shingles Yeah So that's why we're Going to go, um, are we sure the snow load is good? Yeah snow load I'm sure they'll look into that. Well, you have to look at your sports underneath Yeah, that'd be what was it 40 pounds per square foot. Didn't you also discover there's a there's a second layer They just roofed on top. They did a whole right which we know. Yep. I actually asked what they were dealing with. So what is underneath that? It's shingles underneath. Yeah Stand insane. It is because I had asked them about the boat and they know in that that's Yeah, they buy asked them both what the deal was where we were at. What was the you know, um, what was under? What was their thought and I was like, why? You know, why didn't they just strip the roof and reshangle it Back in the day, but he said both but bob had said and someone else had said to well one point trees They were standing seam. We're just putting on everything and um Well, maybe they strapped it and then put the standing seam on that because you wouldn't want to put it right on top of shingles No, they said that there is the shingles and then there is then there's the boards and then there's gonna be strapped it Exactly, that's exactly something's gonna be a lot of purpose because they've been up in um Both of them have been up in the attic and Scoped it all out and walked around and looked at the trusses and everything else to see what we were dealing with so But I can ask about the But anyway, so that's why we're going back to shingles because A and b you can't You can't afford No, the metal is just crazy All right, so just need a motion to Award the town office or the town office bid Well, we don't need a motion to award the town office. You see the motion to move the capital Just a motion to well. Yeah, I mean, um And I just motion to award the town office roof Placement to bob conif Money to come out of the capital So moved Second There were 20,000 different from one another that's the number that my brains were calling what was the final bid number 20 Um 23 878 They're going to be looking at the the underside of the porch. I mean the yeah, we've talked about it I just I think once they get up there, we'll see what we're dealing with. It's I I think that's going to be a mess. I think we'll end up having a higher car Deal with it because Yeah, all I know is what gene Burnham told me which was shortly after The metal roof was put on the porch started leaking She went to the town manager at the time and said You should call the roofers back. It's leaking and then it didn't and so I don't there's a light bulb out, but I'm not putting it on because the water comes out Well pours out the light fixture. So I know that hole underneath is right. Yeah, that's the problem. So at least, um So I don't know that could be just a bag of cats. He's gonna get to there. Yeah But so and I've told both of them that I said look know what we know We don't really know what we're dealing with So the logistics of doing that project. They may want you to Relocate for a week. Um, they actually bob said they'd strip it on saturday or sunday the front half So that we he's like you don't need to hear us above you and um, he said so they he said they'd come in and strip it on a Saturday sunday and um So that way they were trying to you know, you know here in our footprints all day long and well They need to place the park all their equipment too. Yeah, yeah, so he I told him he could Obviously they could block off the front and he said he's going to set up all this pipe staging and this and that So he had his plan. So he's the same gentleman who did Lang derphe's building over the river Electric Okay So there's going to be Information out better than what i'm going to say, but there's a better connections mayday event Um barbeque to be held on sunday may 1st 12 30 I said noon, but I guess it'll be like 12 30. They're going to start eating And then it's going to go Until I asked rebecca. So 3 30 at the bethle school campus and the school is preparing the food and it's going to be a buffet They're going to have people outside You know for the first part while they're eating giving people an update about what's going on in town different projects And then they'll move at like one o'clock. So from one to three thirty Inside different groups So for people to weigh in on different topics of the better connections process and Make some input on the vote grant and other things. I'll be manning one of the tables for About planning and so different people will be doing that. So That will be this sunday At school, so be they're planning the food for 100. I think so it'll be great Richard and I finished up our interviews today for the mowing position and we're checking in checking references and make a decision This week on that I already told you about the other stuff I haven't had a chance to go through all the christian hillbids I was working on it when I left tonight um So obvious oh, I also said here. So, uh, morgan jewelry is the new road foreman for the town of bethle Is a lifelong bethle resident and has experiences road foreman from work in another town Um, very excited to take on the role. I want to thank paul and ryan slack for um being on the You know doing the interviews with me and so that's was very helpful. So thank you very much I appreciate that. I also wanted to let you know that um, I think kelly sent out information But on may 21st at the white church from noon to four will be tim mills memorial service um Angel is in the family is having some food there But you know tim liked to try with different people where you know people are cooking or things like that So if you have a dish you want to share Um, please please bring that to the to the white church um So that's same Yeah consumer confidence report will come out. Um, and that goes out with the may utility bills along with the annual reminder about what you should and should not flush The subject system for us. So that'll come out too. So um I think that is it Oh, the stone wall greg bar is going to do the four ends of the stone wall on the stairs of the municipal parking lot And he says agreed to have it done before By before the end of may and then we talked about a pricing to do the rest of the wall and We're gonna have to budget like a side a year. I mean, it's it's not cheap and um to get that done but Definitely some of that. I mean walking with him around it the other day and really looking at it I mean, there's just sections of it that are just Gone he really explained the process about what had happened and that apparently when someone, you know, they wanted more Sand into the grout and so it just really hasn't held up the way it needed to and he did say that he would When they had extra grout at the end of the day that he'd look at, you know Different sections and try to do a little bit here and there. So But that'll be nice to get that taken care of Finally So he said he's gonna do that by the end of May yep, that's the hope Yep, he was you know with mud sees and everything else. He had some holes in his schedule. I sent him an email We've met we confirmed and I had sent him an email. So um Hopefully, um, that's hopefully that's what he said. So it was me. I think that's about everything I notice Permit parking signs out in the parking lot They're there or they're not there. They are there. Yeah, that whole side is for That's new No, it's they break that when he was here before I was town manager Greg and this like board did at that time um parking permits and passes for the winter so that people weren't leaving their cars there all night so that Road crew could come in and clean the parking lot out So if you have an apartment on main street or going to park there, you had to come in and pay for a parking permit And that way we knew whose car it was and the license plate so we didn't tow you and gave them a specific place to park So, um, so no that's been in place for a few years now. It just it suggests to me With the signs that I'm not supposed to park there Because I don't have a permit. Yeah, I don't know if they take the signs up and down They leave mother you know, they're up all year. They do. Okay. I couldn't remember The idea was not that you can't park there It was to give the people who tip most of the housing is that way to give them the priority spots so then when Friday night happens and you know the bar has a ton of parking You can still find a parking spot and you're not forced to park on the street or far from your home That was the idea behind it was not not to exclude it Not to you know, there's no language on there that says you cannot park here, but also to intentionally Try to help prioritize the folks that do live here when it's busy downtown. You can still find a parking spot sharing how it The concept was to have everybody up at this end so they could come down and sweep out in the winter maintenance This and the front end of course that never works because it used to be You know, and then they call up and yell because it was pretty common that we probably get one vehicle winter that would just be that would be plowed around and Yeah, it was also all of that was done before this apartment was brought back online So nobody was living other than john, but he has his own parking. No one was living here and using this lot that is different As somebody who who navigated that for years. I really appreciated having a spot that wasn't taken I'm just saying Just the perspective of the user Is that still being upheld or maintained that you know, do you see people come in for a parking for them? I've remind I've reminded Kelly this year to send letters to you to the land owner Land owners apartment owners building or whoever to tell them to tell their tenants to come on in, you know It was a similar process in another town and in a lot of times the landlord would come in annually and pay for The fee and then tell us people to come in and fill them out, but he'd be paid for a mom I mean, what were you even charging for those 20 dollars 20? Yeah, because we print a little sticker and you guys say During the during the hours I think right and right so it's 20 dollars per unit And I think you could have up to two cars per unit But then you also got two For that you got two visitor passes that you can you know put if you have a friend visiting You can put in their car and then take back So there were stickers that if you're a permanent resident You put the sticker on your car and then if you had a visitor you had a visitor pass So it's very reasonable for a year's worth of parking. Yeah Yeah, no, we did this year. I have Kelly sent out reminders to people And select board meeting minutes from the 11th What I missed Amendments to it. Are we good to? No, I thought what good Yeah, but not in the email that you sent out to us We sent out So close an email talked about hiring Yeah You're obviously drinking that day So approved so moved They're entering committee rec committee EIC We're all in there Joint board Volunteer of the week. Yes, Erin Griffin was volunteer of the week. Yep There was also the updated Budget in there We had one small question So under the Under the town owned equipment piece So we're at 75 of our budget, but we only have 38 of these Page two of 14 So under the diesel there we're on 75 Yet we We're only 38 of the diesel usage is that because we have like a large bill coming that we've paid or I don't wear it. We're just under on that category all together Yeah, because I will I mean the only thing we get credit back to there is we build the fire and the console But that's really little. I also double check now that I see over here Well, I'm just you know thinking with I mean just because I had I had reached out or I had Kelly call them And tell them on the diesel prices to come in and fill us. So I'm not aware unless I mean One and a half times it was last year at this time. So I was just thinking I would have thought that number had been Yeah, well they had Allen had them filled up, but then I did talk to Allen and said But I didn't know it's like you were just getting ready to write a big check No, we did payables. Well, honestly, we did payables last week. So if there was I don't remember code Well, Allen would have coded it So if we did this is at the end of the month, but I don't think so It was one time before that Yeah So, um, it could change so if there's was may we did a payables that would have been our second payable run So there could be one At budget or maybe even higher And if Allen coded a big bill, then I won't see it till the next round of financials Okay, um, but because I had had Well they did because we did heating deliveries And I remember coding all coding a few But I had had them get a hold of cbo island said come campus, you know tap before we get too crazy with pricing, you know, we get so much overrack, but Any other business come before the board I know one thing I just wanted to touch base briefly on and Being that a new member of the school board I did I didn't talk about at the only meeting I've been to so far as you know, maybe, you know, we've never really had a liaison in the town of the school before so, you know You know neither board really talks to each other So, you know, we're appropriate. I'll bring Things that we're working on to the school was vice versa And the first thing on the meeting that we just had was The school and maybe in Lindley's probably aware that the school is looking for Opportunities in the community to better serve after school programs or Or summer programs through like daycare or other care So it it sounded like there was some opportunity there to either Incorporate that in some of the downtown business maybe or Or maybe, you know thinking outside the box, maybe, you know, expanding the recreational Area, you know, it sounds like right now is The school has an abundance of money to spend on the a program But they don't have anybody to run it or any of the pieces. So You know, they have the building And they have the money, but they don't have anything else. So Or, you know Any other type of community So daycare right now is a It's been the newest one that they have put together a a task force to go over on You know, it's a hot topic, especially with snow days in service days Um, and and right now what they're most worried about is is summer Business school partner with one planet They do and I don't have all the information but apparently the Apparently the individual that has been the coordinator of that for some time has Is stepping down or is retiring. So I think there's some uncertainty there. Maybe No bill left last year at the end of last year. So it'd be Kerry McDonald. So I think there's some uncertainty of Where the program there's also there may not go right now There's a few different things happening that chris is kind of speaking to but they're they're sort of separate things happening So there's the community schools grant Which is where the money is coming from. So that's there's Funding to do these things, but that's at the moment. So for this fiscal year is middle school centric next year will expand Into the high school in the elementary schools, but they were starting it small in the middle school So for this summer, it would really be middle school But I think then there's also this other piece of the the one planet and the daycare issue and one planet has its own Restrictions that you have to have been signed up. So if you just needed care For a day for a day or for something you can't just send your kid to one planet They have to have been registered Prior to and so that creates some gaps in how do you fill those gaps? There's no after school program that you could just say You know running late at work can my kids stay after school that it doesn't work that way. So I think they're trying to sort of Look at it from a lot of different perspectives But then there's different things coming in with funding and what criteria you have to meet So I think there was you know an opportunity there maybe for the school to partner with The town or a local Business owner, you know, like I happened to just drive by one today Which I was like, uh like so in the town of heartland, they have what they call the heartland activity center Which I guess is kind of like a rec center, but it's it's situated at a point where That's exactly that that somebody can drop their child off for a period That they have I guess, you know, so it's something to kick around that You know, they may be Oh, yeah, that's totally how it works You don't need them three meals a day, right? But they ever partnered with I know in Addison county the Addison county parent child center ran an after school program and a summer program at, you know, Bristol elementary and and I think in middlebury and so And they did have after school so you could do a drop in if you needed after school care You know because the parent was working late or and then if you wanted to sign them up for the summer program And I think some of the teachers and paralegal paralegals paraprofessionals, excuse me from the School would sometimes just work in the summer, you know at the through the program and I know that's who They partnered with was the school in the Addison county parent child center. So I don't know. I know they're building that big day care in randolph Right, I was gonna say I know that the orange county has a parent child Center, but I don't know because we send them a thousand dollars in our appropriation So I was just curious if they, you know, had an expansion or and then remember when green mountain economic development was here They were talking about that big day care. They're doing slot kill in randolph and I mean, but and I know they're just wanting giford and but it is You know sometimes And all the different communities do things a little bit different, you know, some towns have a pretty active Recreational department like randolph does that summer, you know, so they're And I think a lot of this is not so much the really younger kids it's more of the You know, I don't know. I'll say You know eight to 12 year olds or something like that the ones that aren't quite there yet, but don't need that You know one-on-one attention all the time That they're kind of looking for so that's where some of the ideas was reaching into the community of either You know asking You know The downtown business owners like hey, we need this like is there any way you can make this happen or a partner in the town to say Hey, would you like to grow your recreation department or you know, like something like that or the school investment? And it sounds like the school's sitting here like we have the funds We just don't know how to make this thing go yet They're an advantage over us because they have a kitchen. They have yeah bathrooms They're all the accessibility the outside and so it is it's too bad that they couldn't You know if there was maybe teachers or staff that wanted to run A program, you know after school or in some of in the summer that could Because that's the hard part is there's we don't have it here It's like we're you know what I mean It's like the perfect sign of but it's also hard because I know what my kids were Young they didn't want to do a summer program because they're like we're in school all year mom We do not want to be there in the summer So it would then we would try to find out outside, you know Rec programs or different things they give in the summer. So I always just think because the pool is so Related to the school that you have that summer. You know, maybe there's something there But also we know we've talked about how do we grow Our recreational facility in your round too, right at some point we If talked about how do we make this a year round then I think you hire a rec director to start and Maybe whatever the years or do some programming to increase your family fund Fridays to increase You know programming through the summer. Maybe you try different, you know camps throughout the summer for Certain ages and you know, it's whether the town of Bethel whether the voters about the want to make a commitment to do that Yeah, I wonder maybe Maybe if like recreational committee could get tasked with maybe looking at You know, some linkages between the school and how Something like that may or may not Well, it's not what mary is it mary shell. Yeah, and I think she's already been yeah, she's working I know she'd reached out to some staff members about making or Somebody had about making appointments to see them, but that hasn't happened yet I know she's someone who's supposed to have an appointment with with um D tree about the pool, but it hasn't materialized. Well, I'm just waiting here finding out that There's a lot of action committees and things but doesn't seem like things go much further than that So I think you know, like we are a board of action, right? I think that It takes a lot more to get that card rolling over there. So But maybe it's just something we're talking about, you know, yeah for the downtown Yeah, I'll make ask D tree if she's you know, if she's heard from mary shell And they basically said that they have the money just Well, I think they're having trouble just staffing Sure And I think teachers are so burned out from the last few years that the Normal crew of people who would do those summer programs are saying no, I'm actually taking my summer off Yeah, you know, I had spoken with someone and said, you know, boy, wouldn't it be nice if you were to do something like that This you know the school or someone to you know, you have castleton So you're graduating new teachers out of castleton And out of what uvm and I think Champlain it'd be nice in a way because I know people who've come out of School and they've left the state of Vermont because it was hard to find jobs and it would be you know It would be nice, especially castleton right there if you could you know, I wonder if they have some young people who could You know, they have a soap top. I mean to try to attract somebody When you're paying them You know low Low wage, you know Not to mention you have the uncertainty of the retirement system And you know, there's so many things that aren't ironed out that don't don't make it very attractive right now No, it's hard. I was just thinking if they could create something with the Castle for kids that maybe even our juniors or either program in yeah Exactly to kind of create some relationship between Castleton and you know gives kids real world experience and stuff. I don't know. It's it's stopping is A nightmare right now For everybody and everything All right, anything else to come before the board. What was it you added to the agenda? Did we go with everything? Did Motion to adjourn Second