 We're here at GET 2016, the second Global Forum on Emergency Telecommunications in Kuwait. And I'm very pleased to be joined by Dr Wim Lambo, who is Deputy Minister for the Ministry of Information, Communication, Technology, Postal and Courier Services of Zimbabwe. Minister, thank you very much for being with us today. Thank you very much, Max. Now, 2015 was a very important year with the adoption of the Sendai Declaration, the 2030 Agenda for Sustainable Development and the Paris Agreement. How can disaster risk reduction and management help achieve sustainable development, do you think? Now, firstly, I totally agree with you. 2015 is a very landmark year because of the Sendai Declaration. In my view, it carries quite a number of important aspects which I will touch on later on during the interview. Now, let me say right on the one side that what we want is to prevent death of people. We want to save lives. So we need to do everything that at the end of the day saves life, not to react when people have died. What does that entail? It entails a certain degree of preparedness, predictability of the floods or ability to predict disasters. And then you inform the communities that disasters are about to okay. Beyond that, we need then to be able to evacuate people. And ICT plays a key role in all these aspects I have just mentioned to predict disasters, to inform communities and then to inform them about the disasters that are coming and also to inform them of the preparations to get them out of there. But we want to go beyond also evacuating people. We want them to stay there. This is where now the concept of resilience comes in. The concept of sustainability development. If we can manage to predict these disasters and to some extent prevent them from happening, then people can continue aching their living from the communities where they stay. From a developing country point of view, sustainability is defined through that way. And what are Zimbabwe's major concerns with regards to disaster management? Major concerns are, in my view, the number of stakeholders that I vote when a disaster comes. We don't seem to see cohesion to react to a disaster. First, from a planning point of view, we see very little of that. We tend to react to a disaster instead of preparing for a disaster. Fortunately, we know several months before a disaster strikes that it is indeed going to strike. When it comes to Zimbabwe, we are talking about not too many disasters. We know cholera, diseases, floods, landslides, and fires. We know the months that fires are going to occur. We know the months that floods are going to occur and therefore landslides. So we really can prepare for that. Now, we don't seem to see that. We would want drills if we have the equipment. Drills and simulations of disasters, particularly evacuation of people. We wanted to get to a point where the multi-stakeholders are persuaded to understand that as we prepare for the disasters, let us practice together as a group to do exactly that. We are talking about as many as about 14 stakeholders all brought together to handle a disaster. That takes a lot of planning and awareness. In your opinion, how can we move from planning to implementation and particularly engaging these multi-stakeholders? It takes awareness. Awareness at the police level that disasters are here to stay. We need to prepare for them. Awareness is what it takes for all these multi-stakeholders to coordinate effort. It also takes training once equipment has been delivered. Training on how to use equipment so that they deliver the service it's supposed to deliver. We see very little of that again. We are disheartened to note, particularly from a developing country point of view, that many people talk about high-tech terminals like iridium handsets. Firstly, they are not well trained, they are adequately trained to handle the sets. And therefore at the end, they take them as a standard symbol in their offices. They are there, they can't use them to alleviate and prevent deaths. We want the police makers to understand that they are the ones who are going to supervise the use of this equipment. So they must understand that they need to periodically, as I said earlier, to mount reels. And then the operators of the equipment, they also must be very, very competent and to take care of the equipment event. Finally, do you think events such as this, the GT 2016, are useful in enabling the joint stakeholders to join forces together? Very. I'm actually disheartened that as I observed in there, people come for a few platforms like this. I take them as a platform to exchange information, to clean information and to understand, particularly from developed countries who have done it. You talk about Japan, you know, California and the United States. These are countries that are really hit by very, very serious disasters and they have developed the arts. Now, developing countries like Zimbabwe must come and learn how other countries have done it. But unfortunately, you see people hang around just 30 minutes and they disappear, leaving the very countries that are well experienced in handling the talk to themselves. This is pathetic. We want people to come here and get information and go back and implement what they learn. Paragraph 10 of Sendai Declaration says 10 years after the Yogo framework of action, people still die and yet these conferences spell it out on how disasters can be prevented. But each time officials leave a conference of this nature where there's a lot of information, they go back and they do nothing about it in terms of implementation. That's where ITU can come and persuade countries to implement what they learn. Perhaps to set deadlines as they did in the second dividend when it comes to broadcasting. By this date, you must have set up disaster response centers, things like that, to persuade countries, especially developing countries, to move forward. Otherwise, we'll get to 2030 having done nothing. Thank you very much, Max. Thank you very much indeed. It's very useful and very informative. Thank you. Thank you.