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Listen man y'all hear what she said make sure you like and subscribe to the channel But we got a guy today here y'all he don't need no introduction man. This guy right here man by way of Chicago this man been in Illinois. He's somewhere upstate. Is it Chicago? No, I'm originally from Springfield Oh Illinois spring for see you but everybody think he cuz you know he got a few some with different people up in the area So you get that feeling like man at bar Chicago. Yeah, everybody say that Man what and I'm always in the city man. I get a lot of love in the city I do a lot of community work in the city Mario cannon is in the building y'all stop playing respect this man's hustle It's swag man. It's got to work with a lot of different people. We just so happy to have him in Texas Man, it's going down man check it man. Hey, man. How you doing man? I'm doing good man. What's good man? I look I'm a boss talk. So this is crazy I ain't thinking a million years. I was gonna be a man. It's a blessing man Listen man. I'm not playing no games over we had there you if you in the city don't come see me It's a problem. Well, you know what's crazy, bro God brought me here man. Wow, cuz you know what I was telling rock man like yo Just two weeks ago. I ain't want to wrap no more. Really? Yeah You know You know as you as you grow and and you still accessible by people you love and people you have endearment with And people that are kind of you reachable still, right? But the thing is you're rising and then they don't know how to take that so man You know you start getting all the hate mail when you start, you know, and I was I was getting you know Just tired of this doing the same thing. I was like, man, you know, if I keep doing this in the same area I'm gonna end up somebody gonna try to kill me. I'm gonna do something to somebody and this ain't worth it You know, no, I get it man because people don't understand the pressures of life, bro Like like it's something else man. You got a really really really be focused You got to have your spiritual grounding in place because it'll make it to where you'll do something Somebody do something to you because you just sick and tired of being sick and tired I've been there, you know, I'm saying you you want people you try to help people you try to please people You can't make them happy and God knows you only be trying to make the woman happy shout out to father day I'm gonna go and say that right now. I Just know when I when I when we researched you man, I was really really happy to You know know that we was gonna get to bless, you know be a blessing to you and you be a blessing us I want to get into your background or a little bit. No, I just really like I said again, man Just thank you for coming on the show man. You're a blessing man I know already that people gonna enjoy this thing on love your story You one of those guys that really to be honest with you to me like it's a breath of fresh air I love the way your sounds in we're gonna get all into that But first like I said go let miss Jamaica do her thing. She always start this thing off, right? So you say you were born and raised in in Illinois, right? Yeah, Illinois. Yeah, okay. What part of Illinois? I'm from Springfield, Illinois originally Springfield. How long were you living there most of my childhood man? We moved around a lot. So, you know, I actually lived in like Memphis, Tennessee Jackson, Mississippi Indiana I Lived a little bit in Iowa too. So I mean my mom had me when she was young. We moved around a lot So but Springfield was my my home That you love the most of all the places that you moved to yeah, I love my home though That's my home. What makes it unique compared other than it's your home What makes it unique compared to all the other places that you've been to cuz Springfield got got a little bit of everybody It's like a melting pot, but people forget. So there's Chicago But then you got Springfield, you know and and Springfield's in the middle of everything man So it's like the heart of no Chicago St. Louis Decaded period, you know Indiana. It's right in the middle. So everybody come there. Okay, so Were you raised with your? Well, you say you moved around with your mom. So where was he that? You know, I really didn't have my dad in my early years of my life, you know, not that he's a bad guy I mean, I'm not hitting you know best father happy his father's day, too You know, but no, you know, uh, but you go through things to make you stronger and for a reason Yeah, but and a lot of people sit in that seat go through that same thing raised by a single mom and I wish we could figure out how to break that train and that cycle to have both parents in the household But you know, it's life and the way how it is But what did you know of him or did you know him when you were a child? Yes and no They always always was told that, you know, I look like this guy, right? And then his sister actually used to come pick me up. Okay times, but I never used to see him Like I never really, you know, talk to him until I got older, you know, I'm saying, you know, but I never Yeah, I never I never I knew I knew I had a dad out there. I just you know, everybody got a father, right? But I just didn't know what was that first conversation like the first time you actually he came to pick you up Well, and how old were you? Pick me up. I mean, no cuz you see cuz you you spend some time with him every night again No, no, not at all. I was a dope. Yeah, but even then even then the first time It was like it was more like just like what's up, man? You know what's up pops, you know, cuz I didn't have no no animosity towards right because man You know, I just try to think things from all angles and make sure that I you know I approach every situation with love and come from a place of love and genuine being genuine, man So I wanted to make sure that I don't have this anger towards this man I don't know what his situation was or what he had going on But from far as I know man, he's great guy, man. He's really nice to me He's cool, you know, not because I wasn't sure if you had asked You know, most of the time whenever you meet somebody for the first time or not My life yeah, not even like at an angry spot, but you know, instead of we assuming like certain things like, you know I'm grown now. You're grown. What happened, you know, just to get it off your chest because that's how a lot of times We break traditional curses and you know be able to move on from certain situations and much as a lot of times people say Oh, I don't hold him up or I'm not angry But some way somehow we react to certain things and not realizing that was the cause of it I mean I look so like To be to be like honest man, like I was always told my mom told me that what my dad, you know And so at the time I understand, you know, why he wouldn't come around, you know Cuz I was always told it wasn't my dad, but you know, we look twin. It's obvious Like if you see the pictures online, it's crazy But so I'm not gonna fought him right for that situation and I can't look at him No, cuz he's a good dude. He takes care of his kids. His family's great He's got a wife and kids. My dad's these are these are just a dope dude, man You're the first child No, I think I got an older sister. Okay. Oh my dad's yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, so but no, man But y'all have a great relationship now. Yeah, we cool man. It's like it's weird cuz like we're so similar man And it's we got the same mannerisms and stuff. I'm just a little more gritty a little bit, you know But uh, we got the same mannerisms and everything so it's weird that to see to see that man But it's kind of school man. It's good to have that. Would you say that you resembling more than any of the other children? Oh, yeah, I look more like them than everybody's twins. Yeah, that's crazy. Ain't it like yeah I look really like them for real so for sure I can tell y'all my dad when when I really knew that I looked like my dad was when I see them in the casket that's when I knew like That looked like me in this casket. Yeah It just being 100 I mean I told you that I never realized I never thought he looked like me at all never seen And I but you know that day I guess I was taking a real good look at him because I knew that be the last Did you grow up with him? Yeah That's probably why then cuz you always with I was with him and they call me him and all this other stuff Man like that we cool, but I look better than that But then I looked at me and I was like damn I mean he didn't look like he posed to be there because he was still you know He was young and I was like damn man like and you know, it just wakes you up I guess that's the first time I really woke up to Be real about the fact of this is my dad and I'm losing my dad You know so I love can't you know you didn't on another level. That's why I'm like my dad light-skinned You know he'd be doing light-skinned shit He said I inspired him to get in the gym. He'd be posting like you know Pictures on Facebook. I seen him. He had an orange cut off with some orange glasses Cut off, you know some old man. He's trying to show Like oh man But it's good that you inspired him in that way it's funny I'll be shared. I was like look at my I'll let people roast. I'm like, hey y'all roast my pops Like get on this And it was a baseball type of glass Look he gonna watch this and he gonna be He's trying though. He's trying. Leave him alone Man, so like man you you start acting, right? So like what inspired you to start acting man low-key. Um, I Had I was going to school ISU and blew me to Illinois and I met I Met some cats man in the fraternities and stuff and I'm gonna keep it a buck with you, man That's when I first are seeing brothers like dress Like dress. Yeah They carried herself a certain way and if I'm from Springfield, so I was like man goatee. Yeah I had goatee. Yeah rims on my car on campus. You know, I'm good. I'm in the shit I'm in it. You feel me? Yeah, that's it And so uh, I get on campus and I meet this brother named Loris Hawkins and he's on the show of Chicago PD He's a man. He's a black cop on that show. He's a main character. He's been on there 10 plus season incredible But anybody I mean him on campus and we start doing like, you know pageants and plays and stuff and talent shows You know under some extra bread on the side man, and he got me in acting You know watching him do plays and stuff So I went back to the hood and I started doing like local films and stuff, you know really getting into it You know I mean and then eventually man, I started going up to Chicago and you know being a background or extra Wow, I got me an agent. I used to sleep in my car. That's good. That's good. I was go crazy Yeah, get up at 12 in the morning one in the morning I see even have relationships with like with the local police like let them know like bro Look, I was living in a small town and they're like, you know, they love I'm black, you know I got you gotta definitely let him know. Hey, man. Hey for they think so they start mess with me I had a little background, you know, I'm saying yeah some shit Yeah, and so I'm just like look I'm trying to play with like I'm leaving at one in the morning I know y'all see me out here. I'm gonna drive to Chicago and go sleep in my damn car I think I'm gonna get on the show man. I'm gonna make my $80 real quick. That's real It's about building I'm building bro it built character man. It was cool man name crafty was good, you know And so what was it? What that was the first time you get into a role? Yeah, so the first the first roller guy was it was like local in the hood. Yeah, I was actually was crazy Movie called seriously tripping and this dude a homie my name I was laying cool cool dude He shot a film and I'm bigger. So I'm playing this dude to get punk I get punked out, but I'm bigger than the nigga that's punking me. It was weird Man, it didn't make sense eyes. All right, you hear me talk shit right now. You my boy I'm giving you pub right now in boss talk, but nigga why was why was I get him dumb? And I'm bigger than the nigga that was him in here That don't make sense man. So like like you you get you Definitely was a part of Empire like you play like Terrence Howard as a younger dude. Yeah, yeah, yeah like so How do you even get that part right? yo crazy man, so I Was a stand-in for Trey Byers, okay for Dre Phenomenal dude man like incredible incredible guy Smart, I think he graduated from Harvard, bro. But anyways, I'm standing from him standing in for Trey Byers and I Get fired one day, right from being a stand. I didn't know I was fired How do you not know you're fine? They don't tell you you just don't call you don't hit you wouldn't don't hit your back So what did you do? So it's been to get messy All right, so check it out. So I was standing everybody love me on set man I had a great relationship You know I was cool dude funny, you know all the all the main cast members like me but What'd you do man? yo, so We were filming at the mansion and everybody could they schedules, you know for to come to all the stand-ins You know they get to eat with the actors, you know standing you right next to the start I'm sitting around like what am I not, you know Cuz I'll go ask for the older homies cuz I'm still new. Hey, man, you I ain't getting no schedule I gotta talk to you man. Damn. So you got talked to me man. What's going on? Everybody love me Yeah, man Somebody was complaining about you, bro He didn't just say that it was one feeling your vibe man or something I was like, bro, everybody in the cast like me for the most part for the most part Yeah, it's that one person that did so so you know I'm saying so I got fired that that's that my car I had a little twinkle of my I ain't crying You you shouldn't cry cuz you know you already had got you got to let go from AT&T so Hey, don't be breathing You already done been through the fire. I'm in a G so I'm sitting in the car like you know I'm saying and then So he told me he said, yeah If he'd be like that sometimes with that particular person really Hey, man, you know the energy, you know, let's put out there. I don't even want it. I don't even want to start nothing It's a big it's a big name. Yeah. Wow and it's bogus because um, I'm just a young brother trying to You know get to I looked up to them. Yeah, so do you feel like they were intimidated by you because here's the thing What I was told was this is what he does He do it all the time. Yeah And what's it is which which movie again? It's an empire. That's Terrence Howard Because he fly the nigga really flying it his fly that's just floating around this nigga flying It's getting bumped over a little bit nigga. It's very obvious. You can't get that So you basically you got to stand that's something that comedians come in here and say as well like They'll go and be a comedian on the stage with certain guys and if it takes away from their essence They don't want them guys around because it takes away from their Star power but then I'm sorry, but then to me in acting I would think you'd correct me from wrong but I would think it would be different because He's older. You're younger. So you can only play that yet lock that younger I can't you can't play his role. He can't play your role because he's older Terrence Howard cutting up. He did this Jamie Foxx gave a story like this Where he was off he was in character all the time and all they had their issues This is something that happens in entertainment. Y'all are me and bravado all that stuff kicks in It don't matter where you at you be on a set you can be in a car We don't got into it just being going to the casino together niggas get into it y'all I like cuz y'all get into profession that it ain't gonna happen no more But the nigga had it out for me though since I was a background bro Don't matter you you kind of a favor the nigga bro, so look Check it out. Check it out the damn The the directors and the dudes shooting all of these always come up to me say you look like cash is clear You look like this. These are always mess with me and they always want to put me in front of the camera So one time I was standing next to this little honey or whatever. She cool my home girl She looked good and everything, you know and bro walked up and tried to like stunt on me in front of her Like this ain't my girl bro. It's cool. Like I don't know how to bump you try to bump me man I was just a background 80 dollars a day No, but that's a part of it though I think really you gonna get that man because at the end of the day and even about the money, bro It's about the fact of the energy and the way you bring in it, bro I haven't been in the room with niggas man, and I ignored big niggas man. I never forget it I didn't know who French Montana was but it was I didn't give a damn Me when I walk in Who is you I you know that day it's been time when a lot of people be around it's the way you carry yourself So you got that Man try to be cool man be level-headed man But you know I do be dealing with a lot of shit man And but I just be trying to stay you know stay grounded man And be thankful that God even put me in the position to be where I was that even to be interacting with that You know I'm saying it's another thing you just said about anointed, you know Are you anointed bro about God you said God that's anointing really a lot of time You're the God in you is what really moves things out the way They have you shining in a way to where people can't understand why they might not feel you on certain perspective But it's because of the God in you so you won't even understand it So that light that shining in you is beaming and you don't even know that it's beaming like it's beaming next thing You know nigga gonna fire you man. Yeah I'm looking around like what my schedule y'all got one. So yeah, man, it was a that was a crazy But it built you in a way the way you don't you understood. Oh, yeah Cuz listen, they actually called me back to come back to be a stand-in Wow, and I told him no I said man. I said next time. I'm getting on the show. That's real keeping mine I had did a million auditions. I ain't never got a role. Yeah, why get an audition? To play a younger version of Terrence Howard So and I didn't even have a damn script for the audition I went to the audition with a blue-tube boombox player my music with a big fake gold chain on I had some costume jewelry on and it was a bunch of light-skinned niggas in there You know, I'm saying everybody's like skinned it up and trying to put your it was super It was you know, it was like most light-skinned room you ever been and they was coming out. Hey, man They're only gonna let you say two words man. You're going there man. So good luck Same they're trying to intimidate everybody going in coming right out coming out man I'm like but these all these are all well put together dudes, you know, yeah I'm looking straight G. I got a wave cap one, you know, they said play the young Terrence Howard You got to be a thug. You can't even throw thug in it. These dudes are looking too nice. Too nice. You know what I'm saying? Pawsome. Yeah, I get it. You call it Pawsome. Yeah, I get it. I understand why Shout out to Mason Murda But you when you went in there what happened so I went in there with my stuff there was like Staring, you know how they stare at you get they try to intimidate you, you know, it's nothing. I were having it I just got fired. I don't care I got this big-ass blue tooth walking down Chicago hot as hell was in the middle of summer I was like, I don't care right now man. I'm gonna do this. I got the gold chain on let's go So I get in there start wrapping my stuff. Oh, there's like This kept let me go There's like you got the script. I was like, I am the script So I got my rapping over my song, you know, there's like, can you do that again? I was like, oh, I made it past two words Yeah, yeah, I didn't get it. So I did it again man. I had a contract that night man Damn night. I was up doing paperwork at two in the morning. They wanted me to go and re-record the song That's what the DJ spins. Okay, the main the little song that Terrence Howard be rapping. Yeah, P.D. Pablo wrote that. Wow Writing a lot for for Empire actually Wow Peter Pablo doing a little bit more than what I thought he was doing Yeah, so I was so I was gonna hear from the nigga in a minute. I did a show with him last year All right, so he's still working a little bit. We did the festival was me him twister ludicrous We's at the Tila tequila festival in Kansas City, Kansas. That's me in Kansas City, Kansas It was lit. Oh, yeah, boy Taco's in tequila festival. It's probably like 40,000 people man. Did he do that take a shirt off like a helicopter? That's that nigga man. Hey, I think he did it Hey, he came between like we do we forget he's like, hey, what's up? I don't buy a bit man Cool as hell though like you know he wanted them Carolina boys So he got to get it in whatever way P.D. Pablo cooler than a fan, bro So in power like like that was a I mean it was a dope. It was dope said she liked it Did you like I could I watched it for a little while? Yeah, yeah Look too much going on for me. Yeah, I'm saying certain things. I couldn't get out with it's all these movies is doing nowadays I'm kind of I'm kind of old school. I'm trying to learn how to at least be One of those guys who can see things that really don't affect into a I'm turning TV Off a lot of times. I'm moving fast forward, you know But at the end of the day, I understand the society and I understand that we can't you know run around here and ignore the fact That we have issues in America, you know what I mean? Yeah Or it's trying to get our people to all come together no matter who you are no what a no matter what walk a life What race no matter what gender no matter what you're doing. We got to really cause a What they called it the this thing this sonic boom and bring everybody in the room You know what I'm saying and we can do it if we just keep on trying, you know I mean once we realize we all operating on one accord man And we got God within all of us man. I mean we got to stop pushing God out man. We got to drop the ego I always say drop the ego edge and God out. That's exactly what it is. Oh stand that's big And uh, we got it. We got to stop leading with the ego man because then you know the next young brother I might have to you know reach one teach one. That's what trade buyers told me, you know, um But the day I got fired He had told me that he didn't know I got fired He had nothing to do what he didn't even know but he had told me we say we ate together a few times and he said hey, man He's real real stern real property. Hey, man. Let me tell you something brother You are gonna be in my position You make sure you reach and you help the next person just like I'm talking to you just like I'm gonna help you Wow, and I was like man and it touched me that you know, I was like man So I thought about that even when I had got fired. I'll stop my man. Trey already told me. I'm I'm gonna be straight, you know, so his word gave you curbs gave you courage gave you It really pretty much told you that I can do it And then that's when you know, bam, you know a few few weeks later. I didn't got on the damn show I'm not a background no more. I got credits now. No only I got a show for music You know, I'm getting paid for the music now. I'm getting paid for the actor You know I'm saying so how was it now that you own that did you see Terrence again? Man I was trying to avoid him because I knew soon as you see me on the show. He was gonna make sure I got off that mug That's what a guy did you want him? I was trying to man, but you know Hey, I had changes I had changes some of the thing on the script a little bit They let me do some stuff. They was rocking with me, but then he's seen me man I was doing they's doing a scene another and I was trying to sneak through and he looked and he's seen me and then Man my character my character was supposed to be recurring for the entire season or whatever and then he ended up getting chopped My character set called in and said he didn't want to do it or something on the show I quit on the show, you know I'm saying and I was watching it in the movie theater because I had a plan in the town I was at and I was like man, so I was texting to one of the homies. That's what it said Right. He's a man. They supposed to be bringing back man You know, I was like man, I was supposed to be recurring the contract was supposed to be recurring But it didn't get chopped short man. That's alright man. You gave it a hell of a go But but you know, but now that's that's watering the bridge, baby. No, that's real. You gave it a hell of a go That was a that was a whole movement. Yeah, that's a whole movement. You gotta be happy with that I'm happy with it all Some people never would even make it on the set then you came back look at the resilience in you man I was kept fighting them. Yeah, I'm getting in that thing man. Okay, that's cool Well, let me ask you this because you definitely you was on the show There was a few things that happened on the show things that I Was you with smooth at that night when he got Rob? You know, what's up, man? What's good, bro? You know, it's crazy. Like he got Rob. Well, I don't know if he did I'm connected to that. I'm connected to that both ways. So look, this is crazy So not only, you know, I'm on empire, you know, and I've talked to Jesse's before and he cool You know, whatever but the dudes that that cues are, you know, that They said potentially could have yeah, whatever. We had the same agent. Ah Damn, so you you pretty much used your name may have been on a piece of paper somewhere saying was he with him? You know I'm saying so and then I Mean that's that was the whole thing was crazy, man Really crazy, I'm gonna set bro and that that stuff on the paper I'm riding around and that's all you see on the front page of the paper. No, but you The reason I brought it up because it was so weird when it happened It was like damn like they wrong for that. They did my boy injustice. I said listen, man I'm gonna be honest with you man. So that boy they they wrong for what they did at three in the morning But two in the morning what they could do in this I went to Chicago on the south side It's too many people standing in front of stores to even do anything like that They must be hard is what I was thinking like to go out there like that in the middle of the night I don't go outside when I was there nigga I go to what's that piece of place geodano's or something and then I head back in I don't and I stay in the Sirp where downtown you go to the one downtown when you're you know, I'm not local Yeah Right on the west side but come right back to my destination. Yeah, I'm not I hear moving like I know what's going in city So for him to do that and me knowing how it is there boy I was like damn me guys and then they say no, I don't know if it happened. I said what? That that was crazy man. I don't know what he was going through at that time What made him do that or you know what was this a part of time when you was on the show I was on a show and that's the show ended after that But how was it how was the energy when that happened? It was it was spooky bro because we already knew like man This is gonna come to it. This is gonna end everything like everybody. It was already up in the air if it was like, you know Gonna come back and do another season. Yeah, cuz you know and then you have like the I think the mayor had got involved with it You know, it was a whole ordeal was huge man And we're making a movement about something that was so fictitious, right? Like why would make this big movement about this and and now you got all these people all this attention on you, man I just I was I just prayed man I was I was sad though because like what soon as that happened. That's when the show was over But you gotta understand man Sometimes people be going through something that's bigger than the show. Yeah, I mean whatever going on with was going on with Just at that time, you know, could we care about him as a person? Yeah So really when you look at different people go through different things and they do interject or change something He could have went a whole nother level and not even been here anymore. Yeah, you couldn't take yourself out For him to still be here is big even though he might have went through somewhere He felt like somebody done them wrong. He had to do that But at the end of the day, I just like damn I just brought it up cuz if you talk the Empire you gotta bring that up Yeah, no way you know about the Empire without that's the biggest thing for me to happen I'm just like but like you said though, it's good that bro He did what he did but at the same time it could have been worse And we gotta look at the mental health because I've been in some unstable positions, you know being an entertainment You know the shit's hard man. It's tough ain't because it's not only hard In entertainment you gotta you get you get rejected all the time You know you should rejection but you got to deal with the rejection from the outside that people don't know You understand me the people think you got something you don't got you know Or they think that it's in your own TV or people you got the outside You got to deal with the people you love coming at you too. You're right, you know You constantly fighting so that shit is hard. It's crazy. It's hard man. You want to get in here So, um, when did you start your fitness journey because growing up were you always like a scrawny kid? Are you always work out and I was a skinny buck tooth run your mouth talk shit Snot nose little dude. I was always the skinniest dude man and the skinny short little big head dude with big feet But that was I wasn't getting nobody off my looks man. I was My was jacked up. So who inspired you to get into fitness then honestly man Just I was depressed and I guess so I remember I remember being in college and being I should run with the alphas They took me in. You know, I couldn't be coming out for because of my background. Yeah, and you couldn't do Now you gotta have like a clean background or you know something like that, but anyways, I remember doing a physique show You know I'm saying and you were skinny at that time. That was skinny, you know, but I had a girl at the time, you know, so It is what it is, right? So the thing was everybody got to come on And you know people will bid and vote for them and clap for them or whatever, right? So all the alphas everybody yoke, you know, everybody they were they all running track I'm still back and forth between school in the street. So I'm kind of like I'm cheating the system You know I'm saying at the time, you know, but anyways We got the show everybody come out cheer. My homie Drake go up before me, you know, shout to Deandre He gonna laugh this this video. He got this video too, by the way, this is He come out he run track girls crazy man, I'm back do my push-ups man I got all this baby oil on me. I mean it's dripping, you know, I'm ready But I come out on stage man Well, you can hear a mosquito drop a mixtape like you can hear a pin drop Well, I walk across the stage I'm turning on the light, right? I'm turning red in the motherfucker bro. You try to make them make them feel you Bro, they didn't feel you. I want my and my girl man at the time. She kind of like He's like, yeah, she made it worse because her clap wasn't enthusiastic enough So she was shit like that shameful clever. Hey Look around like that like they're supposed to be better go crazy, you know, I'm saying but yeah That's when I was like I gotta do something about my body man. I gotta change man And so once I moved and got out of school. I moved to this town Lincoln man, I had I ran into a lot of issues when I first came there being being a brother for one in the town I was predominantly white And you know, and you know how that is definitely dealt with that a lot, you know We know we by the Mason Dixon line, you know, I'm saying yeah, yeah, you feel me So I say, you know what man? I'm gonna start going to the gym and a lot of times man I was really low on finances. So like my either my power will be off I won't have no hot water. So like me having a gym membership allowed me to shower. Yeah, that's hard They ain't that's a blessing. Yeah, so I got a hot shower in the gym and stuff So it was cool, but also I noticed that people started treating me different once my body started getting right I started getting more respect. I got promotion at my job Well, you know, I'm saying I won't walk I won't walk no more You know, I'm saying I got my license back, you know, because it's because of my I had a strong body My body and mind started connecting, you know, I started feeling myself. I started becoming a man, you know, that's big Yeah, so that that transition that body transition was needed man to feel good about myself, man It's always been a scrawny little dude, man I was so little but did you know that you would go from working in a gym to owning a gym? It's crazy is that's big. I was when dude hired me and he hired me as a manager and I Just loved helping people. It only took me like barely two years to just buy it from them Wow, because of my clients love me that much. I was and I was you're getting results for that Yeah, I was just making money personal training. So like I had people writing me checks for the whole year Yeah, and I'm black and link. I'm a brother I care, you know, I'm saying be I care. I really care Yeah, it ain't about the and it wasn't like I was making a bunch of matches had a bunch of people And I wasn't even taking lunches like I would like go like I'll go like seven eight hours straight And I just be eating like little snacks in between I have stuff in my You know my office or whatever, but I wouldn't even leave for lunch And then I'll stay at the gym even later just cleaning mop it being the janitor I was doing everything. I didn't care because I'll had an opportunity to work for myself And the freedom allowed me to go and do the acting and doing the music more stuff, you know I'm saying so I wasn't doing it for the money I was doing it for the opportunity the freedom to grow with congratulations to you man for being an entrepreneur Be a designer somebody who we can look up to our people can see and strive to be better You know, that's big for me Like that's the whole purpose of what I do is because I want to make sure we show our people because it Ain't a lot of us that own anything and when you start looking at our people and what we own It's like we're midges to the people who don't look like us. We got to go harder, bro Well, you know, you can't fault us for being behind man. You got to understand that we are we started off behind the curve You know, they got they got the up on us. I mean, they got 400 years of free labor I get it. I get it. But great is he doesn't mean and he doesn't the world Like we have to influence our people understand that man, and I don't care where we started It's where we finish we gonna do what we got to do We gonna we not fit to get caught up in looking back because no man grab a hold of plow and look back without running into something So we got to focus man We got to pull hard and dig harder to where I know I know I'm one of the main guys to say what you just said Yeah, but I do because mental illness is something that blocks us so much because of that and people don't realize that They don't like to talk about it there Yeah, they don't let us even speak on it because they feel like we we crying when we say it But it's the truth. But at the end of the day, I know that God can bring us through this I know that we can be number one and I know that everybody in the world right now focuses on us and out the way we move And the things we do to even create what they trying to be we have the we have them We have the biggest influence on entertainment and everything what one thing I'll say man, you know a contrary to that too It's like, you know, if you look at it this way, we still got a lot of repairing to do We have been getting better, you know, whether people see it or not. We've been improving This they display all the bad stuff, but they don't display all the accomplishments and all the things we have done And we have progressed in right but if you if you take a different group of people right and let's say like this guy graduates from Harvard and they both graduated from Harvard one is a brother, right? So typically and they both make this they both get the job They both got the same money making job ready to get the same salary. Guess what their brother It's probably got to take care of grandma mom cousin uncle. He probably inherited a house in between He's got generational wealth already So he's always going to be able to spring forward past even though they have the same degree and the same Job, right? So we have that issue in our community, too. We made we got to make up for For what we didn't have still, you know, so that's where that's where it kind of comes We're kind of like man, I understand that's why I don't fuck the kid or the brother that works the job We're just enough money to buy those Jordans, right? But he has at least he has a job and he bought those Jordans because I was within his means He doesn't have gainful employment yet. He's in my I mean he doesn't have the employment where he can invest yet That's true. You know I'm saying but that helps his self-esteem that that stops him from committing a crime And and he feels like he's a part of the community Well, you speaking on your process really when you speak on that because you just told me about a kid who was Strong and scrawny and didn't have nothing in bucktooth and then all of a sudden he starts to build his confidence What you just explained and and talked about is yourself. Yeah, basically I But it's real though You understand that that person can better themselves by just little things like shoes little things like haircuts Little things like getting a new fit even though they don't have nothing else because you know that that's gonna promote them to have dignity and pride And to step up the game as they see themselves elevated flourish. So I get it That's a heavy, you know what I'm saying, but I want to ask you how many locations do you have? I got one location and then I own commercial real estate now as well Okay, are you paying to expand and have multiple fitness facilities? Yeah Right now this the entertainment side is going well and I'm busy with acting and music right now But definitely I want to you know own multiple Fitness facilities because that's my heart man. This is I just love I love helping people Yeah, but you gotta think about it though If he you know if he was so passionate about that one he was giving it the arm You know the essence, you know what happened when we start spending over multiple stores You're not able to really focus on that one location on everybody the same because you get people that work for you They don't have your same passion and it pretty much lets a lot of people down and that can really pretty much ruin you if you spread Your self then you gotta do both you gotta figure out to be a good delegate I got a balance that man balances key man and delegation And I think it's even difficult now to find people to bring on your team because it's not like people don't want to work Right now, so it's tough to find you right employees that are you know that have integrity and ambition And now and I want to strive so it's kind of tough man So and you said that you had you mentioned that you have a record how when were you when this happened and what happened? 18 So, you know, honestly man, I just I Was in the streets You know not doing all supposed to do and you know this You know my I don't my family I don't come from much, you know, so this is that's what we know That's all I was what I wanted to do, you know, I didn't have to do that You understand me. I had my mom raised me right But she was calling the streets call, you know, once you turn 18 man, you know I'm looking up to bro with the rims and the gold teeth, bro. I want to be like him You sell me people love him. Yeah much respect. He did you see the ladies going after him come on I just I just went through a situation, you know, I'm in granted This is this is soft some light-skinned shit, I guess, you know, I'm 18 No, my my girl at the time had had just cheated on me with my homies because he went to the league You know, I was everybody town. I'm like, I need money man And no chick for the stay with me if I don't care if I'm a good person I'm going to school and college. You're not gonna wrap with me people don't like me He and the NBA he got money everybody love him. I need to get I need to get on his level You know, so I just went to the streets man. I was like, I want to get I want to get respect and love I want to take care of my family. I want people to be proud of me. How much time did you get? I didn't get much time. I was this was my first time offender. I was in them. Actually. I was in the Air Force, too Hmm at the time. I was like kicked out of Air Force. I scored a 85 on that test by the way I was smart And you know before I got in trouble was in Air Force. I never got to go to basic trainer because you got in trouble I call my so I call my My crew the recruiter and I just did physical maps. I just cut this thing called meps They do the test and you do the eyes and you coffee gets I got sworn in and everything I was gonna go to basic training. So I've been coming down to Texas actually And I say amen. I call Antonio Whatever that the best it was in Texas I know I was going to Texas and I call him I said amen I'm gonna keep a real shoot Can you move my date up because I feel like I'm gonna be dead or in jail if you move my date up He said no, he couldn't they did move it up. I still went to jail too quick That's crazy felt it coming. I knew it was coming because I was I was just I didn't care Wow, and I was like man. I'm gonna couldn't hold on and wait Well, she gotta understand you I think I know I think what you're right But and then I think that's what we forget about the way your the steps of a good man is all about a Lord I really believe that I believe that what you're doing and the things but walls you hidden in the bumps God's allowing that so that you can get where he needs you to be you would have never been on Empire you didn't ever been an entertainer on the level 80 years now if he had a went the route that he was trying to go So God has an ultimate plan like I always say we stand on one side And we look through a peak hole through a keyhole or life God stands on the other side He see the whole thing and he knows so he's letting you bump your head to get you where you need to be You think you really doing something You know my life goals was when I was 18 I ain't gonna lie to you man I'm out in the street and I start doing that all I wanted to do is a goatee. I got the goatee at the goals I want a rims on my car bull. I got the rims. I just wanted I wanted people to you know Love me more people know I have money. That's real and it wasn't like we was just dirt poor and I needed to do that You know, yeah, my family don't got no money. Yeah, we got alcohols druggies and whatever But we I didn't need to do what I was doing. That's real But I was but I lived in and just cuz I lived in the hood You know, like I could have been like Cuba Good and Junior on the what's that boys in the hood? Cuz cuz I had that mindset but the problem is I just didn't have a Melon model to come in cuz my mom tried her best man. My mom's strong woman. My mom were Double triple jobs man, you know, she was dope, but um, I Just she couldn't control me Wow after after high school and keeping miles on a roll National Achievement Society and WACP awards all that stuff I was an athlete. I had all I was cool But man once once I turn 18 man, I got that freedom, but it's so crazy because being a parent You know, we always try to we don't want a child to be on the streets We don't want them to end up, you know Because they always say in the streets Yeah, they're gonna be in prison or in a casket and no parent want that for their child Especially when you try to work all these different jobs so that it can be difference You can offer them something better than you know what they had as a child growing up So looking back on your life and you're a parent right now, right? Yeah, looking back on your life What could a mother have done differently? You know to try to make that outcome. Yeah, I mean it takes a village man It really does you know, we wouldn't need people to come we need to be together more We two individual we two separate segregated right now like families are segregated and we used to be all a family Like I remember, you know, you get get multiple weapons You come home by the you know uncle or some other everybody get you you know And I've actually had paddles and paddling in school I got paddling in school when I live in like Mississippi and Memphis. They use paddles back then Yeah, I used to fight never get that though I Got two paddlers man Because he's always make fun of me cuz of my teeth and stuff and I use that pay less shoes. Yeah Yeah, but I want to get I want to go into the level pay way That's why I like pay less shoes. Hey remember that's how you use you work out for a little while Mount nears I gotta laugh at me. I just read them in Jackson, Mississippi and the mountain is like Tim's you don't know The mountain is cool. They cool. I want to get into the music a little bit man. Just man Mostly he wraps with light-skinned and dudes in L. E. Chopper What's the other light-skinned Come on, man. Come on my big busy bone I'm too dark can't get on the track Do an acorn you're not doing none of these That's probably why you ain't going all the way up cuz you ain't let no dark skin niggas get on the track with you man You need to find the blackest nigga you can my partners all my nook nook neem and poofy neem I just did it I just did it Southern Richie Evans man Rick Ross artist Richie Evans. He's dark skinned with the beer. He's from Compton My first dark skin I'm thinking like this I've seen it yesterday when I was studying I was like this nigga a little light-skinned How would he like oh this dude don't play he's gonna stick it with his people He's the light brownish yeah, that's the he was borderline of me saying not saying no I guess Last game we got something That NLE chopper one man I was so happy when I seen that man cuz he's just a live dude I love his energy ever since he came on the scene man. He is a young dude He seemed to be like like a person with a good heart. I hadn't got a got to meet him Yeah, but I just liked his energy ever since he came in the game Man NLE choppers is just a gift from God man bro was so intelligent really yeah And he got you know his dad is in his life mama choppers his manager. Wow. Wow. She's so dope. She's so real I you know she just remind me of my mom You know how she be here how she be speaking and spitting you know and it's funny I heard her say some shit. We were on my birthday. We were at flawless diamonds Okay, we were doing like a grand opening and one of the pit one of the shoes was like $40,000. You know, they got money Big money. She's like shit that motherfucker better cover the car and fly me. She was like talking shit I was like man. I knew she was real. I mean she was street But she really hold it down man And she's a she's a dope woman man And now you see how she be posting in the league all the time and stuff and they just good people man So the whole situation was a blessing for me man. I enjoy like I said praying bad Yeah, let's let's talk about it just a little bit more like like give me I want that You know, I just the first verse break that down for me like even why and and then You know, I don't tune. I hear you. No, I'll be I'll be listening. Yes. So No, I see you be like no, I want to hear it. I want to hear his voice Why did I didn't use auto-tune the verse you didn't know the verse the verses. It's my voice Give me a little bit of that verse play it. Yeah, let me let me pull this up. I got I'm pretty sure that's my voice in the Verse that you sure they ain't play with it. No, no, no, bro That's just me, you know, the hook is the hook here the hook but play the verse play Give me that hook I've been moving by myself. Okay. Oh shit. It's bad for my health. Okay You niggas hate me and you think I can't tell They be praying bad day and wish you well man So so like like what made what made you go with praying bad? Like like what was it? How'd you come up with the just a name? I know what it mean, you know, like is it something that you just like people was praying on me to My downfall, but I think something different. I spent a lot of death of my life, right? So like I lost man I lost everybody I love around me my cousins or my brothers We all grew up in the same house most of the time we even lived together or we was always together my aunties like they're like My mama was like I live on my auntie sometimes, you know, my mom used to live in different states So but I lost them the gun violence, right? They lost them all of them. Wow. I got the names on me So I'm the same way though. I get it man So but what people would do is I get these prayers sending prayers prayer praying and they said send the prayers If you need anything Man, I lost so many I got tired of that shit man because y'all not praying that is typing some shit and then y'all probably Yeah, I'm not praying I'm not praying for me. I'm praying bad That's it. So so so then it makes sense when you think about it I'm saying you just you just capping you you put on the facade This is that's why I don't take social media so serious because it's so fake Wow This is real we talking right now. We exchange the energies right now We in the same way so for sure bubble, but that's what I start thinking man Like about all the times man and lost all my people and my focus and prayers man You're not praying for me not praying, you know, you just bring prayers But you know what I think about with that though because I can I Remember in the past I used to do that meaning like, you know, you put pray in hands and you have the intentions to pray But then by the time you get to your prayer two three hours later on You forget about that person that you need to pray for that person you start praying for all the stuff So like for me personally when I realized that I was doing that I stopped like every time I press that praying hand I'm like it don't take but a second to say that prayer at that moment And that's what I do now every single time when I press praying hands I stop in the state of prayer at that moment because I know if I move on I'm finna forget Now only that you got people putting prayer hands on there. There's ops. They sickly Yeah So they praying on your demand they're praying they're praying on your demise, man They're not really, you know, they're not really for for the for the progression of your life or the encouragement of uplifting your energy Your entity whatever you trying to do, you know that that prayer. That's that's all smoking mirrors It's smoking mirrors, you know, they want to they want to know the program They want to know the game plan so they can try to figure out a way to make you travel and get filed out How was it like working with NLE chopper in the studio? I didn't even work with him He sent it y'all saying it y'all niggas different now But you but you know what so crazy is he did it so quick and then he called me like, you know, let's shoot the video I'm gonna, you know come to Chicago. I was like what so he say I'm coming so I had to have the video I had had everything set up the treatments and everything had to be right. I got that ready in two hours, man Yeah, I was ready, you know, that's heavy. Yeah, I'm a hustler man. I'm gonna make it happen I'm gonna get a blessing to be do a song with somebody of his caliber Some some people would never in a life ever ever even get to meet him or see him You know for me to even be on a song with him in the video man. I'm over blessed. So he called you and say hey I'm on my way coming away. He was in Chicago. He was on his way. He's flying Chicago to get some jewelry That's hard. I mean, we got the same jeweler same jeweler and the jeweler Nick flawless diamonds make a real one. He don't want to set he don't want to set it up Because we did a charity event together and see this is the thing about giving back So I do a lot of giving back So I was at an event and I had started out my empire post, you know, they auctioned office, you know for free I ain't trying to pull up. Yeah, talk to the people take pictures And he was there too and then we ended up like vibing We went out to eat out the words and talk we exchanged numbers that he did a video For I stopped the violence video right down the spot for us just to talk, you know to the people and then I started sending them Shoes I had a shoe store at the time. Yeah, I said, man, you like these kids, right? Yeah, send them I sent them to him game, you know, he'd like this game. I see him rocking them and stuff I send them a couple nothing more pairs of shoes. And then all of a sudden it's like amen We we should do a song so I'll send them songs. He's like mark and fire emojis on some of my songs He's a man you cold. He liked my flow. I got a different sound. So then I Sent them praying bad He had it done like that and I end up my first verse was an autotune and but when I heard his verse I took the autotune off and this went with my voice, but it sounds good. Yeah. Thank you Thank you. Both of y'all first sound hard. I listened to it yesterday. I always I go research But I like said I already was checking for his meal I'm not gonna lie already because he's got such a big brand. He already be and I had not heard of your music Like until till after when I got the call I was like man. Oh, okay. Yeah, let's get it I was in Atlanta when he called me and I'm like man when I'm gonna come back early so I can get him in there You know what I'm saying before you go back and it was like man We came on back and it was love man So thank you for you know coming on here and we definitely made sure we got back here to show you some love And you know what I'm saying man boss talk man You know it been number love and Dallas and man I'm just blessed to be sitting in this seat man cuz like I said man I wanted to quit two weeks ago man. I'm glad you didn't and I was like man You know, I got like 600 songs plus recorded so I record so much I would I would record so much my cars getting repoed at my shows. I was I was rapping real I rap real lyrics. Yeah about what's going on in your life I was like I was really shooting videos Looking fly, but I didn't have no furniture or nothing. I had like two pairs of kicks I was super clean and I had a CD burner. Wow. Nothing. I want to ask you about it You don't curse in your lyrics. I really I usually don't not mine. I got on here much Yeah, yeah, I don't like to promote like I don't like to downgrade our women, you know I think we got a love a loving enough of that going on Yeah, and I don't like to like promote like me violence towards our people I Talk I tell the story I tell you about situations I've been in or you know But I'm not can tell it without cursing or do it any of us Well, I don't gotta I ain't got to tell you I pull up on you put you with this I'm finna do I'm finna pull up on you I'm nah, I ain't trying to do I want to see you live, bro I don't care. You can say whatever you want about me. Say you say the worst stuff, man You know, I don't know what you're going through. I still I still love you man I went through it. I had a test in like yesterday and it's like You know, sometimes you get these tests So I don't even want to bring it up because it ain't nothing but people that do certain things to irritate you and you have Good thing I got a good wife because it was like man could have won a whole different way if I was really in that Egotistic way, I always am drop the ego and let me go on and you know But at the end of the day, you don't know what people going through as my wife explained that yesterday You don't know what this person might have had to deal with face and then look at me I'm blessed. So why would I even put myself in that situation? Man, let's keep it moving man God bless and let's bless other people in here so we can get out of here and get back meet you You know, man, that's and that's that's where we at man. Just people People they project man. They project their insecurities on themselves, you know They got so many things they wanted to do and they didn't do it They got to see you that's it and they they they they thrown it at you But it's really them throwing it at themselves and so I had to learn that man and and even as I continue to grow I didn't got this song. I got a whole bunch of yeah Oh, yeah, it's coming with it people going crazy over your internet. He ain't the best or somebody might post I'm the best and I might have an article put up, you know people just give me my flowers I ain't I don't know these people that just showing me real love Yeah, but you got people will come but guess what? I'm gonna still show love I know that stuff don't bother me. Let me pull you back into the music man. So from praying bad to play the wind Like from from from play the wind all the way to pray and bad What was the biggest thing to change in who you are as a as an artist from from from from play the wind all the way To pray and bad what changed? You know praying bad I started getting I started getting a little bit more. I Had so much experience on praying bad You can tell that I had been seasoned for being on tour with twister Yeah, so twister that took me on tour. Yeah, I seen I seen some of that So so so in that time not only am I learning new delivery methods I'm learning how to carry myself as an artist and a man like twister taught me how to be more a little more aggressive Don't be so passive. He said man pop your shit man. He's a he's a a He did say this to me too man. Shout to me, bro. He said man. Nobody want to hear you rap nigga Take your shirt off. Look at your eyes That's real. Yeah, he's like man. You could rap all day. That's cool And you just need hits nigga. Yeah And you know twister taught me so much so you could see the transition from play the wind and pray and bad Even how my video etiquette you can look at my eyes and see I'm more determined. Yeah, you can see that I don't give a fuck. Yeah, excuse my friend. He was more respectful in Play the way in praying bad on gloves off, baby Yeah, I didn't got him built me y'all that made me what y'all didn't want to make me Y'all kept messing with me. Now you're gonna built me up. Let me let me play to play it You probably don't remember the song, but I'm gonna play it anyway. I'll play the wind I'm gonna play you remember song. You probably don't remember the song I want to I want to get that verse. I just always get a verse out of you You're my bond this one. I knew you was a real one I got your money. I take that off man. That's all you got to rock with that one You got to rock with that one man I love it man. I ain't gonna lie to you. It's good music man. So if you make you feel good, right? Hey, Twisted said that's his favorite song. He said he played it every day, but it's real to what he's saying man Like I'm gonna always jam that out man because everybody should be playing the wind You know what I'm saying, but he played it. He said he played a song every day How did you end up like how did you come up with that title like and and the beat was called play the wind when I bought it. Oh, okay So it was already ridden like the beat was already set up like when I seen a beat I think the beat was called play the wind and I was like, I'll play the wind man Remember sleeping on the floor. So I'll be I was like humble hum some some shit You know when I hear beating the dude, I was like, yeah, I made the song I was like twist I got to be on this song. That's big. That's how I got to get twisted on this one Wow, then after that man bro just end up taking me with him. I start popping up at shows and festivals 10 20,000 plus he bring me on stage to perform the song with me What was it was the biggest thing that you seen twisted do that? He didn't say nothing, but you watched him do it And you was like man Definitely gonna bite that definitely gonna bring that in and what I do Man twist is so cold. So the biggest thing I seen him do is When somebody's getting ready to freak out when they see him Instead of just like get moving away from him or not like, you know, having a security He'll go up to him and ask him to let's take a picture. He take the tension off. I'm gonna tell you something That didn't happen with my wife. I'm glad you said that that's big I'm glad you said that we was in Vegas. We was at the palms hotel I was not caring about twister like that cuz we dealing with you know, she's she like twister I want to get a picture with him. This nigga has some huge niggas with him I like new niggas. Oh, these niggas will be Yeah No, this is a while back. This was years ago. Okay, it probably was something going on at the time I think this was when Rick Ross had had said a few things about different things and it was just a I don't know What temperature he was on but at any rate my wife want to take a picture with this dude, man He wasn't doing what he I don't know if he even seen her his bodyguards I'm very polite, right? They don't play. They were tripping. I'm very polite I'm not just gonna run up to him seeing that there's bodyguards and whatever I'm gonna ask the bodyguards. Hey, can I go take a picture with him? That's respect They were like they were like no whatever and I'm like, okay fine cool. Whatever and I was pissed though Yeah, I had to hear about that if twister would have seen you coming up twisted cool like it would have He wouldn't let that happen. But it's the security, you know, you think it's Chicago, you know, it's security They be on it bro. They don't play like I've seen but I was by myself. Not like I had a whole gang of people with me I was the only one walked up to them and be like, hey Yeah, cuz we was at the casino there. He was really round some slot machines No, no, no, he was checking in he was checking in and they were right there right there too big do yeah But I was laughing cuz I really don't care like like for as I'm like, okay, the nigga gonna need to see me He did thankfully nigga to meet me cuz I'm one of them guys Like I want to take pictures with twister But it's been a few times man like back back in the day that people you know things happen that you know But God has a way of opening your eyes and saying, you know what man I'm gonna show you this how I really go down like you gotta understand when God do something for you You know, it's for you you ain't got a worry about none of this other he move everything out the way and say look at this right here That's why I'm here man, thank you I'm telling you man. I didn't you even know he's coming on boss talk man Not the boss talk right now I'm over here living. Oh man. We get it's going down to gonna be a dope show. I always get out I told you that man. Yeah, so let's get in the Busy why why not ladies lazy follow me on Instagram to shout the lazy bone the hardest nigga out the whole group All only because I'm connected and we're respected with you, bro You forever boss talk 101 certified you my guy man shout out to be legit It's certain one money be niggas that just step up and rock with E like that But what up with busy cuz he was lighter than the rest of you decided to rock out with So like the wildest one you so I had to so I was looking at the light skinned card index Is he gonna do some light skin activity? Okay. Yeah, he's Debbie. Okay. Cool. It's perfect Through the mic over there man, all right Peter against the boo. He probably hate that happen now But he threw the mic when they were having the verses. I remember that he's He was my favorite one in the group as a kid he could he was really like this one that stuck out Yes, I like I just like this cadence and voice and he was always my favorite one So he rocked with the south to busy man. Listen man. This dude always rock with the south I like that about him for sure. So so yes, so that's why I poke pick busy He was my favorite one. I think all of them dope though You know who I think was my underdog of the group I really loved was was a flesh and bone flesh and bone. Yeah Yeah, I agree. You know, he went platinum by itself by itself. Wow that album he dropped Humble United Gathering Souls because I still like go to that and use some of that stuff for new stuff for today I'd like to get ideas from yeah, and I'm probably gonna end up doing something with him because it I just Was the one right because who would you argue that might have been the hottest like you liked? Busy, but the other one was crazy crazy crazy was crazy He had a lot of momentum of what he was doing lazy lazy just kind of roll with the way even just chill Yeah, I had no issues with nothing that was going on You know, I opened for them with twister and Arizona and Tempe and uh Man, it was the coolest dudes in the world like yeah, like lazy crazy wish was there man, man, bro We was kicking in bro. How did y'all do the song though? You ain't telling me how the song How did y'all even link it up to do it man? Look, I got a hold of busy, you know on Instagram You know, I'm saying I got a hold of his management He said he said yeah, it's so his manager. It sounds like busy boy. They sound the sound Hey shout out August man. He cool. He's like he said busy wants to do this song man. He really likes it. He likes can too So it's a whole life skin conversation To connect this light skin song. That's all and then I end up putting another light skin nigga on the song Montana 300 so So this is a whole life skin song bro. Now you got me Hey, I do no more Man, it's done man. It's hard though for y'all y'all came up on that one though I ain't gonna lie to y'all want to listen to a little bit of it man. Let me see it. Yeah You did yeah, I have we released it How was it doing the show with him now versus back there like two years ago y'all did the song, right? Yeah, how was it? How's he changed? He's still the same old G like like genuine. I say he's the same old G No, bitchy bit. I didn't really get the vibe with him. I didn't get a vibe with him. No, you know, it was They always say don't meet your idols He was on one. Well, it happens. Yeah, he was different I think that that happens a lot like I've seen people that me and them them rocked out And then I get back to them and it'd be they it's cause people go through man People don't know what you look the same, but you've been through hell and high water I don't even hold like like even the situation with him, bro I he's still one of my favorite. Some could be going on with the kids Personal life anything can be going on. I killed these niggas a pass still he's still my idol like yeah I'm not going to judge him off that one like what was I salty when I say man? What's up? You know, but his manager told me that man. He he really wants to do The video he wants to do this and that he was telling me and he's a man. He's just tired He's going through lots of bro. It's all good man. I love bro. It's still up, bro We don't we don't figure it out. That's the way it poses to be man That's what me and do we figure it out figure this shit out and that's hard But but because bro got bro is a legend man that I don't know what that got going on What are you going through? He I'm thinking I'm going through some shit I can imagine all the people be hitting him up and all this You don't even want to hear you know, you don't want to hear his story bro. That's that's the whole game So, you know, it is what it is man. So like like top three artists of all time dead or alive, you know, number one to pop All eyes on me Until the day I die them up life as a boss play all eyes on me, you know why he's number one We might know he's my number two But why is he your number one? Because because if he wraps with passion and purse and purpose his his words, you know He was so good at articulating when he was delivering his message man His message meant something and moved you it wasn't just I don't care about him not being there cold as lyricists Or have the most witty its rhyme patterns the nigga Really had a purpose in a movement. He really stood for something He really believed them when he was saying he made you believe in it He gave you hope and purpose when his song came on when park died Park was my dad when I was a kid. So when he died I Had beef with biggie. No, no, that's a kid and that's how strong his influence was I should write his name on my window when it was like to pop forever and go to school ready I was a kid man. I was a little kid, but but but he was revolutionary, bro He's a black panther. He he was brought up different look at him at 25 versus a rapper now at 25 The maturity level is crazy and you got to think about it though like that like he was hard, bro Like people don't realize me against the world man. That was before death row like this nigga It was Rob dear mama the hardest song you ever want to see for a mother that was done and it could never I don't think nobody ever top it bro. Never man. I don't think nobody ever top it now When I say my number two is because my number one would just pimp see with more than likely make him his number one Yeah, so you see what I'm saying younger than me too, but Me and me and park the same age probably one month older than me But Pmc younger than me, but I still like because of the way he you know I don't know if you understand what like things be prophetic like when a person die They they pretty much, you know, they legacy it pretty much Amplifies yeah, and what you were saying is something that permeates the waves of life You understand what I'm saying So I think this guy man like I said both of them two of our fallen soldiers man Man, you know just hard man. Who's your number two? Lil Wayne Rock with Lil Wayne. Whoa You know if we want to go The reason why I would say Lil Wayne Lil Wayne was one of the most influential artists of all time as well and Lyrically and his body of work. It's just It's unmatched to me man like far as all the work. He's put in I never give him the credit I need to give him because I'm so Lil Wayne, right? Lil Wayne is is it you know Lil Wayne Lil Wayne is incredible. He carried a whole label Lil Wayne survived the hot boys cash money He brought him back, you know, you know, so Lil Wayne He probably wanted to call his nigga and come down the labels and hanging in there and be in the loyal He's a loyal dude He influenced all a lot of the newer generation now, you know, the young thugs and stuff Lil Wayne influenced all these people man number three Number three, so it's gonna be tough one I'm gonna say number three It's gonna have to be man between Eminem Okay because I Listen man Eminem can rap Eminem lyrically is I ball go like this dude is crazy with the flow the punch lines a word play I'm not saying I don't get in the car black mouth for the phone Eminem, right? I knew you ain't gonna listen to him like that. Well, I'm talking about this. You're talking about his rap style MC Incredible storytelling got it punch lines got it Showing range and emotion and connecting the whole album got his old albums flow through now You got an album you got make sure you got the chicks on for the chicks make sure you know But he made he had like movies his albums are like films to me. You know I'm saying so Eminem's got to be number three Yeah, I'm probably ain't gonna lie. I put 50 cent before him in there 50 cent got that real grit that real I just like 50. I'm a 50 fan I'm a 50 fan at the end of that. I know what you saying with the with with the Eminem I'm not a I'm not an Eminem fan like that, but I'm a 50 cent fan I'm a 50 sit fan over Eminem all day. Really? Yeah, but Rap you said technically you saying the technical rap style The lyric lyricism lyricism and his ability to put together In an artistic fashion see 50 cents better at packaging to me and marketing and Being 50 cent it's the pain for me. It's the pain when you've been through something It's hard to get around 50 and to parking. It's the pain It's that pain that these niggas done faced and been through even pimp see even pock. It's the pain Yeah, it's the damn pain and I get the most you know I get the reviews of my songs and you know when I talk when like my song rich in pain, you know Yeah, people love me hit to telling that damn stories man, you know, I like man I'm gonna tell this shit man. Whatever. I'm gonna let you have it, you know Y'all can judge me guys be afraid I should be afraid of putting too much out cuz I won't you know get judge so much because you know I'm not one the best person all the time. Yeah, you know, but I just realized man Everybody fuck up and everybody's done a bunch of bad shit Everybody ain't nobody no big out of people if they got a problem with the shit I did and the wrong I've done in my life and I told Ford and I don't give it Don't don't listen to me. They got different stuff Well, when you think about you what about Chicago man like is it getting any better man? I know look dirt man. He's one of the pioneers up there. Yeah Like you I mean twisters up there calming. I hadn't heard of What's that boy? They had a chance to rap. I ain't heard nothing from him. You weren't in the Leo shirt What does that mean to you? What are you doing with that man? I love the Leo man. Yeah, Leo's dope Yeah, like I was a DMX man. So if you're gonna say top five definitely DMX I ain't saying top five, but I get I get it But what's when you think about Chicago? Is it is it something like do you think it's getting better? No, no better. I feel like um, I mean I'll say it's get better in the sense that we are acknowledging that we have an issue that we need to address Now it's time to us to get put put into work and I think it's up to each individual and We each got a we got a part especially entertainers. I feel like Misa entertainer I have a huge responsibility on the Florence and children whether I want to say it's just music You know, I'm just doing my thing I still know that I was one of those kids that literally took everything the Tupac said to heart So much that I hated a man I never met even know anything about and I was a shorty I'm beefing with biggie Smalls and puff Daddy, you know, and no disrespect the ditty nobody But when I was a kid man, I had beef with you because I love Tupac that much. That's real When you think about oh Kanye, you can't say Chicago and Illinois and all that without saying Kanye West, bro Incredible artist man. Yeah, you have influence me like you self my boy He me he's been on the show like it's a lot of them up there real ones that I Crucial conflict just Illinois all together. Yeah, man. Don't forget about what's the name Chief Keith man you That's what I'm saying and people don't realize and I know if you said and talk to him today He's an older guy now. Yeah, he's not where he was then people don't realize that people evolve either Yeah, you gotta let people evolve like a lot of time people be putting people on box Like they don't want them to come out but you know why you think I asked you the question about the from one one Spec in your life to the next like so because at the end of the day you change that change People change man. And that's the lesson another issue. I see that all the time people people think they know you I went to school with him on shit You went to school woman was that you don't know me. That's what I'm telling you the same person Was last year. That's right. If you ain't bringing a new year with me You'll know me and that's the way it be man. You feel me. No, that's true So how can people get a hold of you man? If they trying to link up with you? You can hit me on Instagram at this is canon. So THS ISC, you know in Or everywhere Mario cannon calm you can just go right there Click my email book and Mario cannon at gmail.com. I do respond on Instagram I'll be trying to get back to everybody cuz I wanted them dudes and try to show people love I might like your story randomly just because give you some encouragement. That's just why I am I like to see people win. I like to push people like man Mario cannon, you know people screenshot all the time when I heart they store like Mario can you just heart of my story Yeah, yeah, because I'm just I'm trying to show them love like they might be having a bad day I don't know if it was a nigga with half a million followers and a song in early chopper like they stored like they're gonna Feel good and it's happened to me Every day every day. I make sure I like some of my story randomly and they get happy I'm telling you right now. I ain't gonna lie, you know fan and that fan. I don't fan out on their different things But Rick Ross he liked to some of my stuff that I said Rick Ross like my stuff You know like it's tough like that didn't make you feel like man, you know, you're doing something But then what trip you out of some of the dudes you really know that don't like your stuff And it's like you and then you be seeing them though And you I'll know each other and y'all cool with each other and they be on a level, but they don't never Just pull up Why Rick Ross cuz he dark skin. That's my boy Yeah Rick Ross is just a dope dude man, and then the boss thing, you know what I'm saying the boss thing a slim thug the boss thing man Boss talk boss the DJ's love boss stuff. So I rock with him I love these guys because they connected through boss talk a 101, you know far as the boss word, you know And ain't nothing wrong with being a boss, right babe, man check it man say so man. Hey, man. We love you, bro I'm so glad I got to meet you. I know we're gonna see each other again. We coming to Chicago again Shout out to all the people in Chicago that I didn't interviewed. I come up. I pull up. Okay. I'm gonna pull up when I get back in You gotta rock out with me like II I got you this one you gotta come sit in with them with me That's what this about our culture. We got to come together You gotta come together to the city come to come together the state We got to lock in with each other show people that we can unify so we can help everybody grow man Get about who ain't coming what it just look at who with us though, you know, I'm saying because they coming late on Say man I ain't gonna say the negative about them cuz we gonna love them till they get to where they need to be Where they need to be man. Thank you so much for coming on the show man. We love you, bro It's been another great segment a boss talk one or what what a boss is taught and we have