 Just an FYI in case anyone else runs into this after updating to Sonoma all of the windows would go off to the sides If I left clicked the desktop So just a normal click on the desktop would scatter all of his windows off to the side this The cause of this was a setting under stage manager that somehow became enabled after the update You can find it in the settings the system settings app desktop and dock and then desktop and stage manager and then click wallpaper to reveal Desktop change from always to only in stage manager. That's interesting. Yeah, and he says what it's worth I've never used stage manager on this computer. So yeah, good tip