 And we're going to see how the public react. Well that was a really positive handshake, I'm sorry. Did you see all their reactions dude? It seemed like it was shaking my hands and shit. Someone shook my hand, didn't you get that? Joey, how are you doing brother? I'm a massive, massive fan. How are you really? Yeah, I'm feel working like probably the reason I'm vegan. Oh really? You're in half now man. Oh my god. I watched all your videos before man. I get a picture. Yeah. What do you think of this sign? Yeah it's cool man. Yeah it's my new t-shirt. Sorry I don't need to grab you like that. Nah you're right brother. That's all good. I'm coming to the march. Oh really awesome man. You're going to be there. Yeah, yeah for sure, yeah. So I guess you're reacting with them today then yeah? I would say seeing how people react to this. How are they reacting? How are they reacting? Most, well the people who disagree might not be saying anything about it but people who agree are going, I agree, shaking my hand and stuff so. Awesome man. Yeah. You've got to work man. Cheers brother. Looks like my vegan activism worked on him. Let's see if we can work on someone else. Hey brother, I'm asking people what they think of this sign. What do you think about it? Do you think it's true? I eat meat everyday. Do you think it's true though? I'm not coming. What do you think of this? You think meat is animal grilled? Of course it is. You think it is? Of course it is. Really? Why is it? I mean like come on, why would you eat that? Yeah true. Why would you eat a dog? You don't eat animals? No. Really? So you don't think it's cruel at all? I eat animals everyday. What do you think of this? Boys. I love steak. You love steak? Me too. Do you think it's cruel though? Because you're recording. Oh you can, I think it's cruel. I mean I don't believe that they should inhumanely treat the animals. Yeah. I don't believe that. You know I think there should be, there's not such things as effort for clothing because it's death. Yeah. So like even if you treated someone nicely before you killed them it's going to be cruel to take their life. Yeah kind of. It's like catch-22. Yeah. I mean we have K-90 for a reason that's my, you know we haven't got... Show me. No. Show me yours. No. We haven't got all modes in our mouth. I mean you know what I like steak, I mean I try to buy ethical meat. I do. Where from? Like if I go shopping I tend to like go for free range. Even though it's a little bit hypocritical because you treat them nice but you kill them. Yeah. But then you treat them whole... You treat them nicely because you think they have moral value then we take their life from them to eat them. Yeah, yeah, yeah that kind of thing. It's a little bit... Hypocritical? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's a hypocritical. I just think that... I just think that what's happened now is that they're supermarkets. We've gone to this mass battery hole sale production of animals. Factory farms. When I was growing up you've got chickens from the field. Yeah. You've got cows from... You know cows ate grass, you know. So because there's a massive demand for meat because everyone was they made they have to put them in factories and... Yeah and it's cheap meat. Cheap. When I go shopping and I see three chickens for £10, hell no. Yeah. Hell no because you know... You want to pay the price for some type of consolation. Yes, yeah, yeah because I mean you know I mean I don't just... I'm not absent minded. I don't think what I'm... I don't ever dismiss what I'm eating. Yeah. But I don't think of it that much that's going to change my habit. However, I did change... I didn't eat meat for three years. How'd you feel? I feel silly because I was in the cinema. And then somebody was sitting in front of me eating a hot dog. Yeah. And then the smell just put me back into my teeth. But I don't eat a lot of meat. Do you ever watch animals be slaughtered? That I couldn't do. Yeah. I saw it once. How about you? Have you... Do you watch animals? Have you seen animals be slaughtered? I like the low animals. Yeah. You love animals? Yes. Yes. But do you like... Could you see how people could connect a pig and a dog as like being very similar? Dogs. Dogs. No, I don't see... Actually, no, I can't... No, there are animals at the end of the day. But one, we don't... You know, we've never really... We read dogs as pets. We don't... We never saw them as something to eat. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately, pigs was a different thing. Yeah. Because of the way we view them. Yeah. But we can still eat a dog. Yes, you can. Because in some cities in China... Look, dogs are denticles. We're not denticles. We're not denticles. I mean, you could eat a dog, but it's not ethical to eat a dog. It's not ethical... Well... What if they come from your humane farm, you buy ethical meat? No, I wouldn't ever eat a dog. I can't... I wouldn't... No, no, no. I know, but then... But then we haven't got a connection with pigs. We don't walk down the streets... So, if you've made friends with a pig... Yeah, but we're not going to. So, that's a bit of a... You know... I have. I've made friends with plenty of sanctuaries and... Yeah. But then, when you walk down the street, what do you normally see? You see... Companion animals. Right, you know? And you can train... I mean, I'm sure you can train a pig. But at the same time, it's not on mind thoughts. So, if you didn't know a dog, it's okay to kill and eat the dog, because you don't know them. No, no, no, no. Because they're the species of animals. Yes. Interesting. Do you see, like, all these conflict contradictions? Yes, yes. To me, it's just not one... It's not just one side. It's not just that... Oh. Kill the pig. It's not just that, because I mean... It's like, for instance, lambs. Yeah. I love lamb. You love eating lamb. Yeah, but I mean... You know they're baby sheep. Yeah. When I found out how they rear them, it didn't... I don't eat it as much as I used to. Yeah. I don't eat it as much as I used to, but I think that is... That's a little bit too far, like, veal. You know, I think that's kind of like... It's all to our... Baby cows. Yeah, I know about vealers. That's what I said. But it's all to our personal delicacy. It's because we drink milk that veal industry exists. Yeah, but I mean... Yeah. You know, if I... You know, I would try and... I won't have lamb so much. I'll have it once in a while as a tribute. Simply because, you know... It's a... That's interesting. Like, you know it's cruel and unnecessary, but you still do it every once in a while. Yes. It's because you kind of like disconnect, especially when you put it in the oven. That's the word, isn't it? It smells nice and you wake up, you wake up and it's seasoned well and you've got fringe and you've got... And you don't see the slaughterhouse? No. You've never met the animal? No. You don't know who you're eating? No. Yeah. I just got this right. Who's coming around for dinner? What are you cooking? What should we cook? Lamb chops. No, not lamb chops. Look at that. Lamb. Lamb joint. Oh, joint of lamb. Yeah. A leg. And they'll say, I'm having chicken, but it's not a house meal. No, no, no, no, no, no. Yeah, that's what I do. It's because I see it all the time. Yeah, but maybe if we are exposed to it more, which it's not going to happen, maybe people will start changing their opinion about this disconnect between what we eat and the way it's produced and how it's killed. There is. How do we change that? The truth. We rely on good-hearted people to change or... No, the truth. Because we're stuck in our ways. So would you avoid looking at the truth because it might compel you to change? If I was to... If let's just say... I used to say this is going off the subject a bit. If people could see the damage it caused by life injuries, if you would go into a hospital and you see a dead person there with the knife wound stuck into them, you may decide to yourself, hell no, am I responsible for that? Yeah. I'm not going to ever use a knife again because we disconnect ourselves from the reality, like the death. So every time you pay for chicken, if you've seen an animal get their throat sliced open, blood go everywhere, you'd stop eating chicken. I personally would. I would. It's because I've never seen them being sawed. You're a compassionate person. Oh. I'm not a compassionate human being. Oh, without a doubt. Yeah. And if I know that, if I don't know, if it ever would happen, or if they said, right, boss, we're going to go to a real laboratory. I don't know if I'd be on the bus, but I can tell you this now. If a documentary, a flounder will documentary the real truth about... British farming? No, no, the story of animals. I'd be compelled to watch it because it's on the fly. It's not... It's not... It's true. Do you understand? I would actually sit down and watch it, and it will probably jog some kind of conscious... Would you promise to watch this one then? Because this one was actually produced by some friends of mine. It's called Land of Hope and Glory. And it was filmed all in the UK. All right. And it's farms in Abattois. Red Tractor approved as well. This here is the reality of British farming as it stands in the last few years. And this will give you a really good picture of how they trick people with the, you know, the marketing free range and humane slaughtering. I know the free range. When I was growing up, free range was free range. It wasn't... It wasn't a hundred yards... It wasn't a hundred yards of grass. It was free range to run and catch the bloody chickens. But then, let's just say, free-ranging animals, is that still ethical to hang them up by their hoofs and slash them in the throat? No, I don't... I don't connect with that because it's awesome. It's grotesque. I mean, I don't care... And they want to live, don't they? Yes. They don't want to feel that suffering. I don't know what level of consciousness they have, like you and I. Maybe not. But enough to... Enough to... They suffer. I know that I've heard that, you know, when, you know, you hear animals screaming, as they've been led down because they know they can hear, they can smell... They can smell the fear. They can, you know... It's like, I watched a... One thing I did watch is like, I was actually struggling on them killing dogs in China. And what they were doing was they killed the dogs in front of the dogs in the canes because it produces adrenaline, which makes them eat tender. And I was like, whoa, Jesus, that is crazy. Well, they've got these things called gas chambers here in the UK, and that's how they kill pigs, and you can hear them going down into the CO2 and they scream and thrash in these CO2. Even if you're talking about it now, it doesn't resonate with me, but it makes me feel really uncomfortable. Yeah. It really makes me feel like, oh, my God. But you know what? You're making the connection again. I am making the connection. I have never lost a connection because, however, I started to eat corn. I don't have as much meat as I do. Do you understand? So I have substituted my meat. I have substituted some of mine because... Intuitively, you kind of know? Yes, but that's a conscious decision. At first, the substitutes were just rubbish. Yeah. But now they've got like, they actually taste nice. England's one of the best, easiest places now. And so I have changed my habit, and that was simply because the way that the animals are kept, the way they're slaughtered, when they say humane... Is there a good way of doing this? No, there isn't. That's just it. There's no humane way in killing an animal. Actually, no. They say they've done what they say. It's not. Shooting someone in the head. How is that humane? Right in their throat. In what world? Yeah. But then, you know... No one sees that. No one sees it. But I will watch this. Check it out, Land of Open Glory, and on the back, this is a vegan challenge. 22 days. It's all supported on Facebook. It's completely free. I know it's who you're filming from. Just wondering. Hey. Who you're reporting from. Just curious. It's my YouTube channel. Oh, okay. I've got no problem with... I've had it filmed. Yeah. Filmed? Yeah, you have been... Oh, my God. That was a fantastic conversation though, mate. All right. You're really... You're really emotionally intelligent and logical. Yes. But, you know... It's just not consistent in your actions, that's all. It's the illogical part. Yeah. It's the illogical part that I don't like about me, because even having this conversation with you, you know, I don't know what it's like in a... It's cognitive dissonance. It's like conflict. Yeah, conflict. It's conflict. It's like, you know, do I really want that burger? Your beliefs and your actions are conflicting. Even here, I started to have, like, alternatively, like, community burgers. Yeah. Stuff like that, you know? The vegan burger. Then we've got the dairy industry with the view and the, you know, it's horrific. So, like, vegan is the way to go. But we have a vegan store and I have... You do? We have a vegan store, completely animal-free, completely 100% vegan. Really? I tend to have that a lot. Oh, really? Yeah. Whereabouts is it? I'll let you in, but don't go around training people that, because it's like... Oh, is he filming? Sneaky devil. Is it from over there? Yeah. Oh, okay. It's a bit... Look, it's a food trailer. Okay. Can I film with this? Just the food? No, because of... Simply because of what you're promoting. We have a lot of... We have... Yeah, because if... I understand. It's a conflict of interest. We have... Most of the traders have a vegetarian option. Yeah. Okay. I understand. No, you don't know. It's gonna be kind of like in conflict. I mean, I'm talking to you out here. We don't have to put it out there. It's fine. I've given you quite a long interview. Yeah. And I don't mind, you know... I completely understand it's your workplace. Yeah. But you know what? One of the best conversations I've had for a while, mate. Thank you. Really. I hope one day it took me 26 years in my life. Yeah. And now I just... I'm gonna... I will. I can guarantee you this. I'm actually gonna watch this. Yeah. I am. It's not morbid curiosity. Don't get me wrong. It's curiosity. You want to face the truth of what you're contributing to? Yeah. I do a lot of activism like this and just having conversations with people. And yeah, there's a whole community online. It's a big... You know, once you open up Pandora's box, there's a lot to look into, so... Can I be a little bit of tongue-in-cheek? Yeah. I do like a good burger. That's a joke. Get a vegan one. Do you think we need to eat meat? No. I'm gonna tell you, I've been exposed to these things quite a few times. Yeah. And the last two statements I said were not true. Wow. You were testing me. You were testing me off. Bye.