 Corinthians chapter 14 verse 1, where Paul commands the Corinthians and all believers earnestly desire the spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. Now it's never wise, I've learned this after 48 years of ministry. It's never wise for the first time you're speaking to at a new church to offend them, but I'm gonna offend some of you. So just bear patiently with me. If you are not earnestly desiring spiritual gifts, especially prophesy, you are sinning. Saw something today and it made me decide, you know what, we need to cover this. I'm going to play you a clip from this movie that's coming out called Sensationist. As a matter of fact, it's going to be premiering at the G3 conference and so I'm gonna play the clip. Then I wanna also cover what Sam Storms just said, plus some more of what he said and then we'll kind of go from there. A miracle is when the natural order is reversed. The demonstration of the power of God to authenticate the messenger that he is a man sent by God to speak on behalf of God, reversing an illness, a sickness, or death. It is an extraordinary, powerful operation of God that attests redemptive revelation, sign. Be a true apostle. Jesus said, I'm sending you out to represent me and I'm gonna give you the power to work miracles. Those gifts were given for a very specific purpose and so those gifts have now ceased. I've been in these musics, five, 10,000 people all speaking tongues at the same time. The charismatic movement is constantly searching after the next experience. Are you ready? It kind of becomes like an addiction. This is not optional. If you are not earnestly desiring spiritual gifts, especially prophecy, you are sinning. So what they've done with the gift of prophecy they simply redefined it. COVID-19, you'll never be back. In biblical times, if you get up and you speak in God's name and that's not God's word, you're stoned to death. I really want to apologize, sincerely apologize for missing the prophecy about Donald Trump. The guy said it was wrong. Is that a big deal? A big deal? That's a big deal? If you believe these manifestations should be commonplace in the lives of every Christian, then you're gonna want to believe that it's real. No one has the gift of healing today. No one has the gift of prophecy to foretell the future. No one is hearing a word from God. People are self-deceived. Every experience I have, everything that I might have labeled as the Holy Spirit in the past, I've got to test it all by the word of God. So I want to be as interactive as possible. So obviously I want to hear what you guys think. Where do you fall? Where do you lean? Are you more of a cessationist? And you describe it how you want to describe it. That is that some of the gifts have ceased or all, not that God has got us through healing or got us through doing miracles, but that he's through doing it through people or certain gifts, either one. Are you more on the line of a continuationist that all of them have continued? All the offices, all the gifts have continued? Or you like me, a biblical continuationist. What is the biblical continuationist you may ask? As I said before, I'm not here to say they've ceased or continued. It's just that whatever gifts that we do see, they need to line up with the scriptures. If someone has a spiritual gift, they look just like what we see in the Bible with an amen. And then maybe you fall in line. I don't know. I'm not sure. So I want to know what you guys think, how you lean. We'll go through some scriptures. I'm going to look up some things and things that Sam Storm brings up as well, because I went back and I watched the sermon. You saw a clip of that in the clip for a cessationist. You saw him saying that if you're not seeking spiritual gifts, especially desiring the gift of prophecy, then you are sinning. Well, that's kind of hard to say to some people, right? Especially if you are a cessationist or you believe that some gifts have ceased to say that, that might be fighting words, right? So let's try to look at things from his standpoint. I want to look at things from both sides. I know a lot of you guys in the chat will probably fall in line with maybe cessationists. Hopefully you guys are like moi and are a biblical continuationist, but then there may be some that are full continuationists, or you may not know, but I want to try to be honest on both sides and look at the scriptures. I don't think that we should make up stuff as we go. I don't think that we should interpret things to say something that is just not saying. So that being the case, I want to start playing some of his scriptures, I mean, some of his scriptures, some of his, what's the word, some of his clips. And let's just be honest with what he says, what he didn't say, if what he says that was a good point, if what he says seems a little bit made up. And so this I got, this is him speaking about people seeking for different spiritual gifts. You know, sadly, all Christians say that they're a Trinitarian, but what they mean is, they believe in the Father, the Son and the Holy Scriptures. Well, of course we believe in the Holy Scriptures, but we have oftentimes excluded and we have failed to grasp the ministry of the Holy Spirit. And so what I am attempting to do is to awaken the church of Jesus Christ to the pervasive presence of the Spirit of God throughout the New Testament, particularly in the way that he energizes and empowers us in spiritual gifts. The problem that I think that we face is that we are powerless. We feel a certain spiritual impotence in ministering to others, and we so desperately need the full range of all the tools that God has given us. I mean, can you imagine trying to build a home or remodel your house, you don't have a hammer, you don't have a screwdriver, you don't have a saw. We need to make use of all the tools that God has given us, all of the means by which he wants us to enable others to grow up in Christ. So what do you think? People tend to use analogies and sometimes analogies are cute, sometimes analogies are spot on, sometimes analogies fail. Well, he brings up this, if you're trying to build a house, you need all the tools to build a house. As a matter of fact, even the sermon that we'll play portions of, I won't play that portion, but he says that a person who wants to do some work and some remodeling, if all they had was a hammer, well then you're gonna kind of worry about that person. Well, my take on this is, what if that's all you need? If I bring, if I come to you to fix something and I have a monkey wrench, you're gonna tell me what I need, if the monkey wrench works. So there's a rebuttal to that. But he makes this statement, I wanna know what do you guys think? When he said that we look at the father, the son, instead of the Holy Spirit, we make it the Holy Scriptures, is that true, do we disregard, especially those who are cessationists, do you feel like people or continuationists, as a matter of fact, matter of fact, we may have some continuationists in the chats. Do you feel like cessationists disregard the Holy Spirit and then uplift the Holy Scriptures? In other words, Holy Spirit, come down a little bit, Holy Scriptures go up. Or do some of you think that that didn't make sense? And we've heard this before, we've heard other people who are continuationists, who are charismatic, who will say this point that we believe in the father, the son, the Holy Scripture. What do you think about that? To me, to me, that makes no sense. Because I think, this is just me, that if a person is really, really in tune with the Holy Spirit, if a person really wants to see the power of the Holy Spirit, he will use the thing that the Holy Spirit left for all of us, which is the Holy Scriptures. I don't think that you can diminish the Holy Spirit by increasing the Holy Scriptures. How can you do that? How can that be the case if what you're doing is you're pointing to the very thing that he left us all together, which was his word? So that part doesn't make any sense, but let me just see what some of you guys are saying if any of you guys are saying anything. Yeah, Cameron, the Holy Spirit gave us the Scriptures. I think personally, personally, that you show your faith in the power of God by making his word foremost. That's what I think. As a matter of fact, we don't know anything about God without the Holy Spirit. I mean, without the Scriptures. Should we feel the Holy Spirit? If you leave it up to a feeling, well then anybody, that becomes subjective. Anyone can then tell you what's going on. They can say the Holy Spirit, I feel this, but then all I've got to do really, all I've got to do to counter that is to come back and say, well, I feel the Holy Spirit is saying the opposite of what you're saying. Now what? That's a matter of fact, I've done it before. It's a good way to shut the other person down. Now let's go to the Scriptures. I feel like the Holy Spirit is saying no. I feel like the Holy Spirit is moving us this way. Oh, the Holy Spirit just told me no. Now what do we do? Now you, now, because let's just be honest guys, let's just be honest guys. There are times when people are just lazy and rather than reading and doing their work and searching the Scriptures, sometimes it's just going off of a feeling. And so I am more along the lines of, we're gonna lean on the Scriptures as much as possible. If I can't find an answer in the Scriptures, one of two things, I don't need what I'm looking for or two, this is where I do have to just, now okay fine, I need to see where my walk in my faith is, am I also leaning on other brothers and sisters? Remember, if you're looking for an answer, it's not as though the Lord has left us without any sound counsel amongst the brethren. That's not the case. So yeah, you can feel convicted by the Holy Spirit but I'm not sure if the question was, can you feel the Holy Spirit in terms of moving you here or moving you? And I do believe the Holy Spirit will leave you and you can sense an impression upon you but the problem is though, you can also be betrayed. You can think it is and it's not. There's a typo, there cannot be a typo. Janae says there's a typo in the poll question. There cannot be. There cannot be, it's impossible. I'm a biblical continuations. You guys have to see this spiritually though. I think it's what you're talking about. That's a typo if you're not looking at it through the Spirit. So you guys aren't looking at it through the Spirit. You should see it say biblical continuationists but you guys are in this Holy Ghost field as you're supposed to be. So that's all it is. That's all it is. Yeah, I'm sorry, I see that now. I see that. Big mistake on my part. I have seen. But in this world, we've got cessationists and continuations, those who might be in the middle but you see both sides, the cessationists and continuations and you see though, those that are really hardcore on both sides going at each other. Oh, you said it in the typo. I mean, in the title, is that a typo? Is it, wait a second. All right, now you mess with me. Let me, let me type it in. P-R-O-F, I mean P, F. No, that's why, that's right. That's right, with a S-Y. Okay, now you guys have got me off in the video. Oh, what is your video on the spiritual? Oh, yeah, I don't, yeah. Yeah, I messed that up, didn't I? I really messed that up. Don't go on it. Yeah, I was too smart. You know what I meant. You know what I meant. I bet you though, I bet you had this poll been on some of these other guys' channel. Wouldn't have got, their audience wouldn't have called it. Their audience would not have called it. So, anyway, yeah, Dyn, I think you guys are too distracting. Come on, let's get serious. We're on something. This is vitally important guys, but anyway. If you notice though that people on both sides tend to kind of, you can be, you can have a heartfelt belief one way or the other, but sometimes it begins to go to the more insulting side. The, those that are cessationists will accuse those of being kind of more hocus pocus, voodoo, what have you, crazy kundalini. And there's some truth to that. To be honest, there is some truth to some of that. Then on the other side, you've got those folks who will say that the cessationists are more cold, restrictive. As a matter of fact, I want you to hear how he puts it, how Sam Storm puts it. And the way he puts it is he makes sure that if you're in the audience, you look down on cessationists and realize that if the Lord is really working in you, then you will be a continuationist. If you could go back, oh, I don't know, about 30 years ago, you would never in your wildest dreams have imagined that I would be preaching a message on a text like this as I am today. For the first 15 years of my pastoral ministry, I was a very rigid, dogmatic, cynical, snarky cessationist who did not believe that the Spirit of God operates in the fashion as he did in the early church and to my everlasting shame, for which I have repented many, many times, I mocked those who did and I'm so grateful that the Lord opened my eyes to the teaching of his word. So he says, I'm so grateful that the Lord opened my eyes. I was snarky, rigid. I was just lost. I didn't even know what the Holy Spirit was. I was, that's kind of how he puts it. And so if you are like what he says he used to be, well then that's not good. That just makes folks look down on you. And now that could be true. And if he's telling the truth, then, and if what he says is true, if what he believes is true, well then yeah, then I guess the other side is kind of holding back the move of the Spirit. So I wanna get into some of those passages and let's just see what he's saying. I wanna get into some of his arguments on spiritual gifts. He's not focusing on any one particular gift. You know how we do it. We may end up, but I wanna look at the whole thing kind of in total. So let's go ahead and listen some more of his clips and then we'll come back on the other side and bring up scriptures and see if we can rebut or if we can agree with what he's saying. Now let me say this right up front. Whatever negative thoughts or bad opinions you have had about the gift of speaking in tongues, I can assure you that you didn't get it from the Bible. You probably, in fact I am quite certain you got it because you've witnessed somebody who abused the gift. You were perhaps in a meeting when somebody stood up and began speaking in tongues and there was no interpretation and everybody felt awkward and weird or maybe somebody who has the gift has been parading it around as if it's a badge of spirituality and I'm more holy than you because God gave me this gift and you're a second class citizen in the kingdom. That's where that prejudice against this gift comes from. It doesn't come from the Bible because the Bible has only good things to say about it. What he's saying, let's be honest guys it does make some sense. A lot of people are opposed to anything looking like the move of the spirit because why? They have seen other people abuse it. They've seen people do all sorts of just weird stuff, run around jumping over people, jumping to the baptismal. Just things that we know is not what the Bible says or looks like what the Bible has shown us a move of the spirit. Where you, it's not that you're trying to present a certain polished look but it's almost embarrassing. And so what do we have a tendency to do? We have a tendency to overcompensate. Some of y'all might be football fans back in the day when Florida State kept playing Miami, they kept missing the field goal wide right, wide right, wide right. In one year they miss it wide left. It's like the field goal kicker decided I'm not going to miss it wide right. It's going to the left. And he over compensated. We do that sometimes when it comes to this argument. We see someone who will say something, some crazy stuff. Kenneth Copeland cursing or getting rid of COVID which is obviously didn't happen. You see these things happening and then you reject that. And so much so if you're not careful, your argument can be the reason why I'm against it is because of these people rather than biblical. So my question is going to be this. What is your reason? If you are a cessationist, what is your reason for being a cessationist? Is it because you're sick and tired of seeing people abuse things? Because you can have someone think about it. We do this oftentimes in other aspects, other areas of our life. Somebody might not like a certain race of people because this race did something and so they overcompensate not unlike any of them. You blame everybody. They something wrong with all of them, right? Or I don't like this restaurant period because this franchise, this local franchise got something wrong. Someone impugned everybody. We could overcompensate it. We go too far because we had a bad experience when we saw something or heard something we didn't like. That happens a lot. And so the question is, if you are against what you're seeing, do you have a biblical reason? So I would like, I just ask this question, guys. If you are a cessationist, what is your biblical reason for being a cessationist? And I love to know. Matter of fact, so if you can, place in the chats. And I'm thinking, I really am thinking though that if someone is of the mindset who might want to come on, we have none in a while. Have someone come on and tell me, hey, Cor, I think you're wrong. I think you're right. Here's why. We may, depending upon time, I think we're moving fairly quicker that I thought we would. So we may have time for that. But if you have a reason as to why you think that gifts all or certain gifts, the signed gifts, they may say or the apostolic gifts, if you've got that, if you believe they're wrong, I mean, if you believe that they've ceased and you've got a biblical reason for, tell me, put it in the chat, give a scripture as to why you think that some of these spiritual gifts, the signed gifts, apostolic gifts, the outward gifts, have ceased. And so I would be curious, but a biblical reason. I mean, go to this book, go to this chapter, go to this verse, or these verses. I would like to see those reasons. And we might discover something. We might discover something. So any of you guys who are cessationists, surely the guy, there's someone in that is, do you have a biblical reason? Now, and I get it, sometimes it might just be enough at least initially that it just didn't sit right with me when I hear how I'm seeing this, that might be a problem. And so because of that, which is fine, which is fine. Now, ultimately at some point in time, you've got to come to the conclusion of where things lie biblically. Here is a, uh-oh, where's my cursor? Where's this thing at? Ah, there it is. Here's a good question. Does the Bible distinguish sign gifts and other gifts? Because if so, I don't see it. You are absolutely correct. The Bible does not distinguish between one gift or the other, sign gifts or apostolic gifts. There are some reasons why people will make that leap. I'll let them do so. But just to answer the question yes or no, no there are, the Bible does not distinguish between these types of gifts or the other gifts. Can I tell you why? I don't believe that that's the case. This is just me. It's because the Bible does not rank gifts. The Bible doesn't say that one gift is to be preferred over the other gift. Now, here what I just said, the Bible does not rank one gift over another gift or say that another gift is to be preferred over another. We don't see that. Now, the reason why I want you to hear me say that twice is because we're gonna deal with something that seems like the Bible is saying that. And we're gonna cover that. Ashley says 1 Corinthians 13. Okay, that's a passage that comes up a lot. 1 Corinthians 13, eight. We'll deal with that in a little bit as well. Anyone else, let's see, do we have anyone else that is saying, yeah, I've got some other scriptures. Okay, because we don't see people seeking in tongues like we saw in Acts two. Okay, cool. 1 Corinthians 12, 28 through 32. Okay, so not all do these things, but that would mean though that some do some of these though, right? Let's see. Diana says, is it that gifts have ceased or that we aren't apostles who were given authority to do many things that are not distributed to some and not others. They had many of the gifts while we don't have all. Matter of fact, interesting point, that's a good point that you raise, when you look and see who actually are doing some of these gifts, some of these gifts we only ever see apostles do. As a matter of fact, let's think about this for a second. Let's think about this for a second. As it relates to tongues, other than the founding of the church, we don't see anyone other than apostles doing it. What about the gift? We don't really see a lot of nine apostles doing a lot of these things. So are these all or many of these apostolic gifts? Well, they all can't be all apostolic gifts because he talks about that some do these and he's not referring to apostles. So we know that they all can't be apostolic gifts. But I think what some of us are talking about that there are some gifts that we only see apostles engaging in. May have a point. 2 Corinthians 12, 11 through 13. Are you asking me about it? Are you saying that's one of the ones that you, that you're touting? So I want to, Anthony says, you say that yes, the people who are not seeking spiritual gifts are in sin. If I'm understanding you correctly, are you saying that? Which is fine if you believe that you might be right. You might be right, Anthony. Is the gift of foretelling ceased? Is the gift of foretelling ceased, meaning giving a foretelling prophecy? Well, I don't know, we're gonna talk about that. We're gonna talk about that. Okay, that's when you're, okay, Neland, I got you. So I want to play another clip from him. By the way, I do believe that he had a good point though a lot of folks do reject gifts because they didn't like how someone else misused them. Now, is that a, that's not necessarily a good reason though. It could be a turn off though. I don't like the way this person preached, but I'm not against preaching. I don't like the way this person read the Bible. I'm not against reading, okay? Is it, I don't like what they did because I don't do it. And so therefore now I have a reason not to do it or because it's just how we've been taught. Somebody's right, somebody's wrong. Or maybe both are a little bit right, a little bit wrong. That's his name again. You don't pray about whether you're gonna obey God. You ask him for the power to do what he has commanded us to do. Paul is clear, earnestly desire spiritual gifts, especially that you may prophesy. In fact, it's so important that he repeats it at the end of chapter 14, earnestly desire to prophesy and do not forbid speaking in tongues. Now I brought this up before with Dr. Brown. We just could not get into it like we wanted to because we only had an hour, so I'm trying to get stuff in and I couldn't just flesh things out. Let me go there briefly. Let me go to, let's put it up here. Let me go there. I wanna cover something. And I think that there might be a bit of a contradiction. And before I go there, let me play another clip from him. This is why I think there might be a bit of a contradiction that we have here. Listen to what he just said and now listen to this path or listen to this statement that he makes. I don't think there's any spiritual gift that is intended for every single Christian. Did you notice the language there in 1 Corinthians 12? Look at it again. To one, to another, to another, to another, to another, to another, to another. Did you notice how Paul differentiates? If any of these gifts were designed for everyone, I don't think he would have spoken in that way. Now here's the problem. Someone has this gift, someone has this, someone has this, someone has this. He's correct. So no one is going to have one particular gift or they might be just given how the Lord wants to. Matter of fact, we know the Bible says that it's the Holy Spirit who gives them as he wills. He distributes them. And then he goes on to say, he talks about not desiring to have any particular gifts because he says that there are no parts of the body that are more honorable than any other parts of the body. In other words, we're all pretty equal. And so what we should desire is love. Faith, hope, and love are the greatest of these of love and so desire that. But then he makes a statement that seems to be contradictory. Now, so far, let me ask you guys, if you agree with what I just said, that he distributes as he wills, that he distributes to one and then to another and to another and to another and to another, just like he said, and that no gift is greater than any other gift. Would you all agree with those three things I just said? Matter of fact, he just said one of those things. So let me know if you all would agree or you would disagree with that. By the way, you shouldn't because it's literally in 1 Corinthians 12. But then if we read 1 Corinthians 14, the way that most continuationists would read it, don't we have a contradictory statement? Here's what I mean. If we go to 1 Corinthians 14, look what he says. He says pursue, Diochette, which is pursue, it doesn't really mean to desire. He says earnestly desire the gift, but the word that she was there and I think he made a mistake. I won't put that on him, but he made a mistake when he says the word says to earnestly desire. No, it just says pursue. Go after, pursue love. Pursue love, but look what he says, yet earnestly desire, well, yet pursue love, yet desire. Now the word earnestly, I really didn't put there, but okay. So I guess I take it back. Yes, you can, you can put it that way. You can put it that way to zealously go after. I take that back, you can do that way. Zealously go after. Now here's where it might be. Here's where it might be, I think, a bit contradictory. If we're saying that the Holy Spirit gives us the gifts as he wills and that no gift is preferred above another, isn't it contradictory to come back and then say, but desire, spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy? If prophecy is a gift. So the question is, when we bring up prophecy and I've seen folks, hey, I disagree with you, Corey. The plain understanding is what it should be. Okay, well, what's the plain understanding of prophecy? The plain understanding of prophecies is a revelation. It can be foretelling or forth telling. So what happens is when we see this word prophecy in our mind, we go to thinking someone's telling the future. That can't be it. When on the day of Pentecost, and it was poured out, do we think that everybody that began prophesying and that when Amos, I mean, Joel speaks about this, that he means, the God means that everybody, when they get it, they're gonna start telling the future. Do we think that's what he means? Or just giving a revelation? I think it's just giving a revelation. And so the question is, is this a spiritual gift? When we look at chapter 14, verse one, is this verse one, the gift here? I mean, is this word prophecy here? Is this the spiritual gift of prophecy? That's my question. Because if it is the spiritual gift of prophecy, then you just contradicted, Paul, everything you said in chapter 12, and 13 I might add, but you just contradicted everything you said in chapter 12. If this is the gift of prophecy, we're not supposed to rank or desire any of the gift above another, but now you're telling us to desire these gifts, but especially, especially the gift of prophecy, does anyone, is anyone seeing this? Does, I mean, am I, or am I, am I seeing this wrong? Am I making stuff up? Am I just off? If this is the gift of prophecy, then why are we being told to especially desire that gift? Why not the gift of healing? Why not the gift of tones? Why not the gift of this or the gift of that? Why that gift? If indeed that is a gift. It's my question. If that's a gift, then we got a, just to me. And I'm gonna need your all, you all's help to help me out. I'm gonna need you all to help me out. If I'm wrong, help me see this straight. What I was trying to get across to Dr. Brown, now he said that no one, no one has translated it this way and so forth. Why would someone, why are you saying it this way when no other scholars have translated this way or seen this way? Which, by the way, he's wrong. Which, by the way, he's wrong because there are a scholar, the grammarians, who have stated, yeah, this is what they see it this way as well. So I was going to go ahead and pull some different commentaries out that say that, but I didn't wanna spend too much time to it because they could be wrong also. There could be a different way that you take this. One way desires spiritual gifts, especially though, especially the gift of prophecy or desires spiritual gifts, but rather more importantly, that you prophesy. Or you can take it the way that I take it. I take verse one and verse five desire spiritual gifts in order that you prophesy and not the spiritual gift prophecy. In order that you prophesy. Why do I take it that way? And this is the point that I was trying to get Dr. Brown, anyone else to. And by the way, this is not gonna be a tongues discussion. I promise you, not a tongues discussion, but put it back on the screen. We've covered this before. This word, my loan, look at the, you don't have to take my word for it. Look at the bottom left hand corner. It is rather, this word, my loan is rather or more. Now it can also be taken as especially as well. It can be taken as especially. The question is, what does especially mean? Can especially also mean rather? It could. Or can it mean something totally different than what the word rather means? In other words, what does my loan mean in this sense? And it cannot be that it contradicts what Paul has been saying or what he will say. Is he saying desire, pursue spiritual gifts? But the one I especially want you to go after is prophecy, that again, that just flies in the face of what he just said. But more important, what I'd rather you do, I'd rather you just prophesy it out. I'd rather you, this is Paul, this could be Paul. This could be Paul saying this because if we go down to verse five, Paul uses this term now, I wish, which is where Thalo, I wish. So the beginning of verse five is different than the beginning of verse one, but the ending of verse one and five are the same. So at verse five is he saying, I wish that all of you would speak in these languages, but I really wish, I really wish that you all, this is Paul's wishing, not necessarily the Lord, but I really wish that you would speak in tongues. I mean, that you would prophesy. That's what I really wish. I would love for you, all of you guys speaking tongues, but you know what I really wish? I really wish that you would prophesy. Is that what Paul is saying? Well, if he's saying that, then again, isn't that still contradicting what you just said in chapter 12? Or I still think, and I've been dealing with this for the longest, guys, remember, I started off, I was a hand clapping, tongue talking, foot stomping, never touched a guy in crisis, what we believed in this stuff. Now, the other way to look at this is if prophecy is not a gift. If he's not speaking about the gift of prophecy, if what he's really speaking about is the evangelistic tool of prophecy, meaning giving a revelation. So whatever your spiritual gift is, your spiritual gifts should bring about a revelation of God. So he could be saying, pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts so that, or in order that you would bring a revelation. Is that possible? Yeah, see, that's the other thing too. That's the other thing. If you say, is Paul saying that I want you all to speak in tongues too? We'll get to that in just a second. But the question is, and this is my question is how I'm looking at this, is how I'm looking at it, does that fit with what Paul has been saying? Or if it's the other way around, does that fit? Again, it fits to me, I could be wrong, it fits to me if Paul is saying desire spiritual gifts so that you would bring about revelation. Because what does revelation do? Revelation edifies everybody. There are six passages, six verses in chapter 14, that say that these gifts should edify everybody. Desire to edify everybody, to build up everyone else, not you but everyone else. Chapter 12, verse seven says that you should build up everyone else. Peter says that you should, in two occasions, say that you should use the gifts to build up everyone else. Your gifts are for others. Paul says in chapter 12 of Romans that the gifts are for others. So, my interpretation seems to fit. Everyone else will come back though. Then wait a second though, we should be, this gift here though should be edifying ourselves. This is what the purpose of this gift is, these tongues are to edify ourselves. The only problem is though, if that gift is to edify us individually and we all don't speak in tongues then we all can't get edified, can we? Now, I could be making a lot of, I could be just totally wrong. I have yet, I have yet, and I'm just gonna say this, I've yet to hear one person who disagrees, give me a script that says, this scripture proves what you just said is wrong. Now, I'll give scriptures to say how if this means to prophesy, I'll give scriptures to say that that's wrong or why I disagree. I'll give scriptures to say why we should not be speaking in a tongue to edify ourselves. I'll give those scriptures. But I'm yet to get a scripture that says that if this means that, because it could be, it could mean this, that I just said, it could mean what a majority of other people who speak in tongues say, it could mean something else. Let's figure it out. Because rather than being able to beat your chest and say, well, I'm the one that's right. No, I want to be the one that's leaning on whatever is right. God is the one that's right. So I want to say what he says. I don't have a problem with tongues being a thing. I don't have a problem with prophecy. I don't have a problem with laying on hand. I don't have a problem with any of those things. Matter of fact, if I had my druthers, let's go back 30, 40 years and bring up some lingo from the 50s and 60s. If I had my druthers, I would love to have lived at that time to witness people laying on of hands, to witness people actually giving prophecy, foretelling and foretelling, to witness people being raised from the dead. I would love to see that. I would love to see the get the languages where people are actually speaking in language. I would love that. I'm certainly not against it. If I could see that, if I could see that. Listen, me seeing those gifts being used in that way, in that power, that would probably be like cowboy fans getting to see a cowboy Superbowl. They would love to see the cowboy. They would give their left arm to see that. I would give my left arm to see those gifts. I really would. Yes, I had this gift of being able to shoot at the cowboys no matter what. It's just, listen now, it's one of my spiritual gifts. I can talk about the cowboys. Kid you not, on my way to prison, I was talking bad about the cowboys. It just flows off, it's my gift. God has blessed me in that area. Thank you, you're welcome. What'd you say? Yep. I like the last part that you said. As he wills means as he wills. So yeah, Dinah, would that be kind of contradictory to come back and say, well then, I want you to desire this though? Because the word for will is the same word, phalo. So however he desires to give, well no, no, no, forget you God, I desire this. That would kind of go against it, wouldn't it? Thank you Romans 828. I mean Romans 8 too, thank you for the super chat, I appreciate that. And Michael may thank you as well. Let me answer a couple of these questions as well before we continue. Why is it that man always seems to say what they are bringing about within the body of Christ? The Holy Spirit is the true minister. That's true. And I'm not sure what your point is. So Lady T put, give me, give me, I'm not sure what angle you're on. I do agree with what you're saying. I just don't know why you're saying it. So, but give me some more indication as to what you just said. Tell me some more about what you just said. Flesh that out a little bit more. Is teaching a spiritual gift? It is. To one is a gift of knowledge. And so, and again, to get the knowledge hidden for you to, and God has gifted people to be teachers. So yes, that is. Here's my question. What's going on, Robert? Is prophecy part of the apostolic gifts? If not, then it's still alive. If it is, then it's ceased. Now here's a question I asked earlier, Robert. What passage, what would be your scriptures to say that these gifts have ceased? What would be your passages that you would use to ask people earlier? Because a lot of us are just upset with the misuse, the abuse. And oh, by the way, Paul is literally writing because of their misuse of these gifts, right? He's literally writing because they're doing things, as he says, ignorantly. So, yeah. And the thing is, lady team, and anyone else, we really cannot blame other people for the bad teaching. It's almost like the other day, my wife and I went to, what's that place we went to? With the coffee. Starbucks. Went to Starbucks. Can you all remember when Starbucks, it's been out for a long time, but when it kind of went mainstream, who would have ever thought that people would wait in line for 20 minutes to get a cup of coffee that you could make at home? This is an outrage. This is a total outrage. People are going and standing in line or wasting good gas to go get some coffee. It's an outrage. Total outrage. But do you know why Starbucks is in business? Because people keep frequenting their establishments. The reason why you've got people that can give bad doctrine, bad teaching is because people keep frequenting those places. How cool would it be? Starbucks has a gift of good coffee. How cool would it be? If those of us who love sound doctrine acted like it, wouldn't that be amazing? If those of us that say that we love good sound doctrine, what if we acted like it and told everybody else about it? And we were moved by it. Here's what I mean. What he said earlier about this trinity of the father, son, and then instead of the Holy Spirit or having the Holy, I mean the Holy Scriptures instead, when he said that, my thought was this, those of us who love the Bible, who love its words, can think back to what Paul said. I'm not ashamed of the gospel, the good news, this word. Why? Because it is the power. What's the power? The good news, the gospel. One, there's power in what he's done, power in that report, as Romans 10 tells us. But then even more to the point, if I know that and it's internalized, it comes out when I say it. Have you ever heard someone say something with no feeling whatsoever and then another person say it with feeling? I've heard a person with a gorgeous voice sing with no feeling like, okay, that's pretty good, but then another person who has had less of a voice but sang it with some passion. It's like, whoa, I felt that, I felt that, right? You can effectively communicate something because people can just feel it in you. I can tell that you mean what you say. So when I preach the word, if I give the word and it is genuine, you should know it. You should really know it. Versus, hocus pocus, let me leave my hands on you and blow on you and fire. I don't feel that. I don't feel that nor do I see it because I love the scripture so much. I certainly don't see that. And you can tell, by the way, by the way, you can tell who are the more mature Christians, possibly even who are the real Christians by those who have a disdain for you using the scriptures. See, I think what Sam Storm said was a bit insulting, almost borderline stupid. Yep, sorry. He's a well-educated man. Graduated from Dallas Theological Seminary. I forgot where he got his doctorate somewhere else. But to make that statement is just silly because guess what, Sam Storm? Dr. Sam Storm, all we have is his word that we know of. You tell me about the Holy Spirit, about the Holy Spirit working in your life. I can't validate that, but I can validate what the word says. I can say for a fact, if I agree or disagree based on what's printed. I can't, okay, fine. You said the Lord visited you last night and spoke to you and you spoke in tongues and so forth. Okay, what did that do? What did you speaking in tongues last night do? Other than cause you to diminish the word of God? Tell me. Because when you come back and say the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost versus the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, ah, chuckle, chuckle, chuckle. But no, the Spirit gave us these words. The Father gave us these words. The Son gave us these words. These are their words. These are their accounts. Jesus was the one who says that you search the scriptures and then they speak of me. That's, those are Jesus's words. I didn't put that in there. So the only reason why you know what you say you know what you believe about the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit is because where, where did you get that information from? Oh, I know in the Holy Scriptures. So there, there's the problem. And we have a nation of people who dumb down the word and are cool with it. Why? Because folks say clever things like you just said. And they get, amen, amen. These folks always come around talking about the word, the Bible, and this and that. We are in trouble. We are, do I, do I still have that passage up here? I mean that, I don't have it up here. I don't have it here. I was gonna play that clip where the young fella, a 30-something year old guy is talking about, talking about not leaning on the scriptures like we should. So I won't, I won't play it. I won't play it. But let me ask, answer a couple more questions. Ethan Raymond, by the way, thank you for super chats. Pray for my friend and everyone else who's stuck in the, oh, yeah. But you know what we ought to do though, Ethan? This is, this is your job though, Ethan. This is your command, Ethan. And for you to get folks around you, who can actually talk to these people? Go after them and be prepared to answer them. Go after them with the word. Equip yourself, this is for everybody. Equip, we need to equip ourselves as much as we possibly can. So when we deal with these folks, we can confront them with the word. I'm gonna cover something last night. I was gonna cover it some time ago. I said, I'll wear better later. But then they talked to my daughter. And so my daughter FaceTiming me. She said, she called me, she said, can I FaceTiming you? I said, okay, I was laying down and I'm thinking that she's gonna show me some of the one of the grandkids, my nine month old grandson did something. I don't know, maybe he was standing. Maybe he's talking, I don't know. Thought that's what she's gonna do. Instead, I see these two yahoo, yehoo, whatever these ladies who are talking about the mother, they're the part of this Mother God cult. The father, the son, the Holy Spirit and the mother God. Weird. Well, how do you fight that? Well, with the word, she's just saying stuff like, do you realize what the word just said? So that's what we have to do. But we'll pray for them. But at the same time, what we're gonna pray for is that you and everyone else who have folks who they need to be brought out of this stuff that we'd be equipped. Amen. The harvest is plentiful, but the laborers are few. And so what does he say? Pray therefore for laborers. That's us. That's usssess. Words of knowledge and prophecy. Prophecy is just a revelation. Words of knowledge can be what you know about the word or the revelation or just things in general. So that's what that is. And guess what? They could actually, the lines would be blurred. They could end up being the same thing at times. Yeah, Mother God. Yeah, that's a. I'll tell you more about it. Maybe on next week of the week after Dana, but it's a thing. It's a growing cult. I wanna say they're out of Asia. I mean, out of Korea. I wanna say that. Koreans, South Koreans, do read their Bibles. They're not like the North Koreans. And so you have a large Christian community in the South Korean, in the South Korean world. And so, yeah, yeah, Noel Jones, with what's her name? Haq Jahan Moon, validating her. Noel Jones, he's been off the reservation for a long time. But I think that's where this Mother God cult started. The Genesis of it is really kind of creepy too. So God told me to tell you nothing. Amen. God, not that the Lord wasn't thinking about you. Not that you're not on his mind, on his heart, but he ain't tell me nothing about you. Amen. I mean, matter of fact, one time someone told me to say, the Lord told me to tell you. I said, funny, he ain't tell me anything about you. Anyway, he asked a question. And so let's deal with this question. What are spiritual gifts? What are they? Is there a definition in the Bible? Well, not really, but the closest we come to it is right there in verse seven. We just read it a moment ago. To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit. Spiritual gifts are the Holy Spirit Himself manifesting His presence and power through you and me. It's the Spirit of God coming to vocal and visible display through the efforts of Christians who are empowered by His presence. Honestly, I can go with that. I can go with that. It says verse seven, but to each one is given the manifestation in this word is the fenerosis, which is the manifestation or the disclosure just revealing of the Spirit. But now the main thing is for the common good. If we go back to verse one of chapter 12, he says, brother, now concerning spiritual gifts. And again, we talked about it before that the word gifts isn't there, but you can apply gifts. It's the word numitikom, which is really things of the Spirit, things that are belonging to the Spirit, things that are of the Spirit. Which means this. What we do if we're walking in the Spirit, then guess what guys? That is part of the numitikom. That is of the Spirit, how He's moving. Because however He's moving in us, He's moving not for our benefit, for our glory, but for His glory and to build up the body. Our job is to be what we are, all of us are tools. We are building blocks for the body to build this thing up. We play a part. And the part might not be as ornate, adorned like other parts on the outside, but there are certain parts of this house that you cannot see. If I go to one of these main joints, one of these main studs, one of these main studs, and I cut this much out of it, just a small part of it, just a tiny, tiny part of this stud. Won't that have drastic effects? Sure it would, you can't see it. And it's just a small portion of it. It's a little tiny portion of it. You can't see it, no harm, no foul. It's not like it's one of the big picture windows up at the front. No, it's just, would you allow someone to do that? If someone can say, listen, I wanna, what would you rather have to pay for? What would you rather have to fix? That small portion of that main stud, one of these center joists, it's just a small portion. Would you rather replace that? Or would you rather replace a big picture window in the front that everybody can see? I'll take the thing up front that everybody can see, I'd rather replace that because we had a slab leak one time. I would not wish that on any of my worst enemies, a slab leak. A slab leak is if your house is older enough and the pipes aren't the plastic CV, whatever you call it, plastic pipes, but it's maybe copper and they bend them, but after a while they break. And when they break, they break underneath the slab of the house and you're trying to figure out where's this water coming from? Where is this water coming from? And sometimes they might, now they have a machine to try to detect where it is, but when we had it, they thought they knew where it was and dug it up and got the jackhammer inside. You don't want a jackhammer inside your house. Let me just tell you that you don't want a jackhammer inside your house because what are they gonna, and so we've got this big old hole in the house. And guess what? A buddy of mine said, why aren't you in a bad mood? I said, well, I got to look at them on the bright side. We did just put this wood flooring down. I said, but it could be worse. It could be that tile right there. He said, well, yeah, okay. I guess you're gonna go on the bright side. Guess what? That's where it was. So I had two holes and that tile, by the way, after they finished, that tile had been discontinued. So we had to go, it was just a big mess. Anyway, oftentimes it's the things that you can't see that matters. But we like, in terms of spiritual gifts, we look for the gifts that are just outward. This is what Paul was talking about in chapter 12. There are certain gifts that we think that are more honorable, certain parts of the body that we think are more honorable and they're not. Can I address the importance of emotions and our faith? I mean, we should feel something, right? Seems like we disregarded them. Well, you don't disregard emotions. Matter of fact, don't ever disregard your emotions. But your emotions should still be viewed in the light of the scriptures. There are some things that the scriptures don't tell you about your emotions. I really feel like, I really feel like getting this car versus that car. Well, the scriptures don't tell you that. Now, the scriptures can tell you how to go about determining that. If you're married, we're gonna talk with your spouse. If you got some friends or what have you, some other godly people around you, you gonna counsel and figure this thing out, okay? There is wisdom in the multitude of counsel. There are scriptures that help us out to get to that point. Don't disregard your emotions, but what we should not do is place our emotions so high. We heard the guy from New York, Michael Walden, who said how we're talking about the scriptures and so forth. And though we're supposed to disregard how people feel and what they hear. No, we are to always disregard what you feel and what you hear if it goes against scripture. I don't care that you feel like you were born this way. I don't care that you feel like that you're a woman inside of a man's body or vice versa. I don't care what you feel. The scriptures say otherwise. So you're fine with the emotions if the emotions are in conjunction with the scriptures. Well, then that's great. If you're happy and shouting, because guess what guys? I don't have a problem with people shouting and dancing and crying and screaming. I don't have a problem with that at all as long as it's biblical, as long as it's in with scriptures. So you're shouting and praising and crying and cheering over the word of God. Amen. If there's ever anything to cry and to shout and cheer for over it, it's the word of God that, yes. Someone told you that you are free forever. You never have to worry about the penalty of sin and that just resonates with you. Amen. But if it's because the music is going and that drummer is, and you just, and the organ and the folks are shouting or whatever, or the music is just good, someone is singing, that's different. That's where it becomes different. Amen, Brendan. You hate that music. Monkey movie hate that music, huh? Do you know that's the music that made me wanna learn how to play the drums? Yeah, I used to, I wanted to be the guy that when they had the Holy Ghost music coming, you know, playing, I wanted, I wanna learn how to play that. I didn't wanna learn to play any other song, but just play the drums for that. That's what got me started. So let me play a few more clips. He says something. He says something, I agree with his definition of spiritual gifts. That's fine. It's just things that are of the spirit. By the way, there's really only one time in the Bible where we see the words to gather spiritual gifts and really not put together, but there's really only one time. Other times it's Numitikon or the things of the spirit. But it's fine, they still do imply spiritual gifts. But I think he was fine on that, but this part right here, I think he makes it up. I think he makes it up. They look again at verse 10 of 1 Corinthians 12 to another various kinds of tongues. As one commentator has said, there are a variety of species of tongues. We know on the day of Pentecost that the tongues that they spoke in were known human languages, that the disciples had never before learned, but we're in a... Now, that's what he says. He makes a correct statement, but he's gonna back it up with a statement that he can't prove. He said, we know on the day of Pentecost that there was known languages. Right, fine. But the next statement that he makes, there's no biblical basis for it. We're unable to speak so that the people could hear the gospel in their own dialect. In 1 Corinthians, it's more likely that Paul is talking about a uniquely crafted spiritual language given to each believer to whom the gift is bestowed, that enables you to pray and to give thanks and to sing worship to the Lord. Now, what he just said, there's no biblical basis. Now you're making that up. How do I know he's making that up? Because there's no scripture to say that. You go from... Now, you go all the way up here from Acts to here. We've got a basis for what we see tongues are in Acts too. You get to Acts 14, and you come up with something brand new. Where do you get that from, good doctor? Where do you get that from? Where do you get... Let me just, let's put it back on the screen. I'll rewind it to the point that it was. And let's cover what he just said. And I would love for anyone to tell me where do we get that from? They look again at verse 10, that the disciples had never before learned, but were unable to speak so that the people could hear the gospel in their own dialect. In 1 Corinthians, it's more likely that Paul is talking about a uniquely crafted spiritual language. By the way, he knows he says it's more likely. That's his way, and anyone else's way of saying this is what I think. This is what I think. Because you can't point to a scripture that says that. This is what I think it's more likely. Life's more likely that way. I don't think it's more likely that way. Given to each believer to whom the gift is bestowed, that it enables you to pray and to give thanks and to sing worship to the Lord. Now, where do we get that the gift of tongues is to be used for prayer? Where do you think that... I get that you say it's more likely, more likely according to who? Because we've never seen anyone praying in tongues. We've never seen that. Now, he's going to say something else also. Wait a second, that's made up also. He says, I will pray with my spirit, which all scholars recognize means, I'm going to pray in tongues. He says, I will pray in my spirit. He's in chapter 14, I think verse 15. I will pray in my spirit, which all scholars believe. No, matter of fact, most scholars don't believe that. Most scholars do not believe that. Let's go back to it though. But I will pray with my mind also. That is, I'll pray in the language that others can understand. Like I'm talking to you with my mind. He says, I will sing praise with my spirit, probably singing in tongues, but... Probably singing in tongues, but we're probably, probably, probably, what's all this probably? Or most likely, what is all this? Don't you have scriptures to go with that? Now, this is where, this is the problem. Who is this guy? This is Dr. Sam Storm. He is the guy that a lot of Charismatics are leaning on because he's a doctor. He doesn't seem to be too kooky, so to speak. But he's not in the majority of scholarship on the Charismatic issue. I will also sing with my mind. In other words, in the language that we all understand. And then Paul does... And by the way, he doesn't say in the language that we understand, he just says with understanding. That's why I asked this question before. If you all speak in tongues, do you understand what you're saying? And by the way, if you do or do not, should you? Paul makes it clear that you should understand what it is you're saying. That's something profound. It's almost as if Paul pulls back the curtain on his private prayer life. Look what he says in verses 18 and 19. I thank God that I speak in tongues more than all of you. Just, you can also hear him saying, Corinthians, you tongue happy believers, I speak in tongues more than all of you combined. But in church, that isn't the corporate gathering, I would rather speak five words with my mind to instruct others rather than 10,000 words in a tongue. Now, Paul is not saying that he prays or speaks in an ecstatic, what we would call battles or gibberish. That's not what Paul is saying. He says, I speak in tongues more than all of you. If I take it the way, if it's the way I take it, I speak in languages more than all of you. That's how I know you all are doing it wrong. I speak in languages more than all of you. Could that mean, could that be the case? Sure, you know why? You know why? Paul is a missionary. Paul goes to a lot of different places where he does speak in different languages. Oh, by the way, oh, by the way, oh, by the way, what he needs to, they don't. He has to speak, by the way, Paul is also an educated person. Thank you, Anet, I want you to do me a favor. I want you to put some spaces in between you. Anet, thankful and blessed. Thank you for the super chat though. Y'all killing my eyes. I have to squint. Please explain Isaiah 21. Why do you want me to explain Isaiah 21? Is that because it's quoted in tongues? I'm sorry, I pushed the wrong button. The Isaiah 21 is in chapter 14, it's referenced in chapter 14 by the, let me see, let's go to it. In the law it is written, it's quoted in verse 21 in the law it is written, by men of strange tongues and by the lists of strangers, I will speak to this people and even so they will not listen to me. What is Isaiah speaking up? I remember what happened, what's going on with Isaiah. Speaking to the, in this case, the Southern Kingdom, this is around the time of exile, God is getting ready to punish them, but he's also going to use these other people who speak different languages to deal with them. And even in doing so, even in doing so, y'all still ain't gonna listen to me. You still ain't gonna listen to me. So, which I believe is all part of him making Israel jealous with these, gave the gospel to these Jews, they go out and preach the gospel in Judea and Samaria and to the rest of the world and the rest of the world starts taking the gospel and now you Jews have fallen off and now you being made to be jealous because God said that I'm gonna make you jealous with the people who are not a people. I'm gonna call those very same people to be my people. I'm gonna make you jealous with them. That's what I'm gonna do. And so I think this is why he's bringing this up as well. So, my question is this, is there a basis to say why gifts have ceased? That was a question I was asking earlier. Is there a basis to say that gifts have ceased? I mentioned this earlier, so let's go to 1st Corinthians 13. I personally don't see it in chapter 13. I don't think that 1st Corinthians 13, specifically verse eight references gifts being ceased or ceasing, I said it incorrectly, ceasing. Love never fails, but if there are gifts of prophecy, now this is the gift of prophecy. If there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with. If there are tongues, they will cease. If there is knowledge, it will be done away with. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away with. The question's gonna be, now at some point in time, they will be done away with, but when? Which also begs the question, why those specific gifts? I'm gonna agree with you, Brendani, because here's the reason why. One, what is the perfect? What is the perfect? You don't know. Don't know what the perfect is, and so because of that, many are left to guess. The guessing is, is the canon the perfect? Or is it Christ's return? What is the perfect? Well, the Bible's not that clear on that point. It can't be the canon. This is why I don't think it could be when the perfect comes and these gifts will go away. If it's the canon, the problem is when the canon comes, everybody didn't have it. And so if everyone doesn't have the canon, what's gonna happen to people who need knowledge? Who need, if we say the gift of tongues as language is, who need to have the gospel preached in their language? Who need prophecy? If we say prophecy is foretelling and forthtelling, what about, especially at that time, remember, we got a brand new church. We have a brand new church and we don't have people with Bibles. And so we need people to go and give them the word of God. We need people that have revelation from God. We need people who have knowledge. We need that. And so when the actual book came, when the canon was closed, you still needed that. Matter of fact, you needed that some centuries after that because people still didn't have the Bible. But here's the other point, the main point. It says, but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away with. If there are tongues, they will cease. If there is knowledge, it will be done away with. Those three things have the same thing in common. It is helping people to get the word of God and to understand it. Those three gifts are vital to building up the body. Giving a gospel isn't the same as giving the gospel, right? So there's gotta be something knowledgeable about what you're saying, the sound doctrine part. Given a revelation of God, what Jesus Christ did on the cross for us, that's revelation, isn't it? And what if you have to do to someone who doesn't speak the same language as you do? Well, someone needs to speak that person's language. The other thing is, if prophecy, people think that that's a gift that has ceased. And if tongues have ceased, then why don't we talk about knowledge also being done away with? They're all three part of the same sentence. They're all three part of verse eight. And so you can't say, well, we'll do away with two of these and not one. Now, I'm open to hearing other arguments as well. And then maybe there are other verses that people will hold on to to say, well, this is how we know they've ceased. Me personally, can I say something weird? Let me tell you like this. I really could care less if they have continued or ceased. I really could care less. I've got the word of God. Now, and what I mean by that is, I don't have a dog in the race. I'm not beholden to them having ceased, nor am I beholden to them having continued. If you say you've got these spiritual gifts, fine, fine. Fine, let's seal. Does that mean you have to show them to me on command? No, but you cannot go around saying that you've healed somebody and they ain't healed. You cannot go around and say that the Lord gave you a prophecy and it wasn't a prophecy. You can't do that. You cannot say that the spirit moved this way and nobody knows where in the scriptures. I had a conversation with a guy who was wanting me to come out and see some guy. I couldn't go because on that date, my wife and I were gonna be busy. But I'm asking him, how come all your miracles take place in the confines of a church? And even then these great miracles, no one outside the body knows. Every time the spirit moves, everybody knew. At least locally, everybody knew. There was no doubt, no question, no whatsoever. But when you guys do it, there's always doubt. Where in the Bible, because weren't there enemies of Christ? Weren't there enemies of the apostles? And when they did something miraculous, even the enemies, matter of fact, they said, we cannot, we cannot hush at what's happened because what's happened is apparent even with Jesus and the blind man. Oh yeah, he once was blind, now he sees. We can't deny that. Even the enemies of Jesus, even Paul's enemies, even Peter's enemies, even the apostles' enemies, they couldn't deny it. Today, people can deny these supposed gifts. That can't be. God is not just, he's not, I can't recall in the Bible where God is up to moving, having his power shown in secret. I don't see that. I don't see that. So, and I'm open to being wrong. I just want scriptures. That's all I look for. Now, can I just, can we do some house cleaning? Chest champ has been gone for a few days because he was dealing with his family and so forth, kids graduating and so forth, but that's not really an excuse. God, just be honest with the chest. Brian, that's just not a really excuse. It's not, it's not an excuse. First, Jesus, second, us in your family. Then your family, listen, you got your family all day long, putting us to the side for them. Please don't do that again. Hold on, we're gonna pray against you next time. So don't do that again. No, I'm kidding. Just congratulations though, congratulations. Congratulations. But so I say you, I wanna know if I'm wrong. I do not want. This is what bothers me the most though. This is the part that bothers me the most when somebody comes back and says, you don't have the Holy spirit. You don't trust in God. I'm literally asking you for some biblical proof. Now I believe this is where I believe the cessations camp has it right against the continuations camp. The continuations camp seems not to value the word nearly as much or poor. Let me say this, let me put it this way. They don't seem to put as much emphasis on the word as a cessations camp. Now I'm not, I'm not either one of the camps because I don't think that being a biblical continuationist means that I'm a continuationist like Sam Storms and the rest of these guys. No, I'm not like that. So it seems to me that one group values the word of God or at least puts more emphasis on the word of God than the other group. Yeah, you're saying this group was too rigid, too cold and not relying on the Holy spirit. That's fine, that's fine, but how do we know your spirit is the Holy spirit? Correct Brandon, that's why it's so popular. That is why it's so popular. All you gotta do is have a feeling, have a thought and then what you can do is you can talk people out of it. It's almost like what we're seeing happening with this progressive movement in America. It becomes a more emotional argument, the louder argument, the more feeling intensive argument. And again, I don't have a problem with feelings, but I still have to have, I still have to have some scripture. How do I know or should I just trust you? Just cause you fell out, just cause you shouted, why do I have to trust that? Why can't the word of God be enough? Yeah Cameron, one of the hardest things to do is to argue against someone's feelings. Two things you can't argue against. Well, let me just say one, I'll say that while I leave that alone. But one thing you definitely can't argue against is someone's emotions, someone's feelings. No, we don't hate cessationists. No, no, no, no. Love cessationists and guess what? Love continuations as well. And guess what? If I had to choose, if someone said Ashley that I had to pick continuationist or cessationist, you gotta pick one or the other. Yeah, I know Corey, you're a biblical continuationist and that's right where you're supposed to be. But if they said you had to pick one or the other, I would just go ahead and choose cessationist. No, I wouldn't. You know what, I don't know. I'll take that back. No, I wouldn't. No, I wouldn't. No, what just happened? Don't go on it. What, I don't know what is going every time. And I don't know if I'm hitting a button or something, this computer is acting funny. I need to cast some demons out of this thing. If something is, it's not as important to the main thing, but it lets me see what's happening and it lets me see my signal strength and so forth. And so I don't know what this thing just did. So I rebuke you. In the name of Marcus Rogers, I rebuke you. So, okay, there it is. There it is. It's back up and running. Now I can see what I need to see. There we go. There we go. Cool. But no, we don't hate cessationist. We don't hate continuum. By the way, you all didn't tell me. You all didn't tell me. What are you? Oh no, I don't want to take, oh, can't take what back. What did you say I can't take what back? What I said about cessationist or continuationist, about the computer or about the cowboys. Which one do you want me to take back? That I can't take back. But you all didn't tell me. What are you guys? Tell me, type in the chats. Are you more of a continuationist? Are you more, your church is full of cessationist? You don't know what to believe. Ashley, this is all you gotta do. This covers your pain. Matter of fact, honestly guys, honestly, this I really do believe is the more biblical stance. That is being a biblical continuationist. Because here's what I've said. Cory, you seem like you don't believe in these gifts. Yeah, I do. I just haven't seen them. I believe I'm okay with a person being able to have the gift of healing or speaking in languages or prophecy. Have I ever seen it? No, and I've been around a while. Been around a while and just haven't seen it. I'm not talking about what we see on TV or what we see on YouTube. I haven't seen it. So I'm open to it. The biblical continuationist says they are still, they are still available, but they have to be done biblically. I don't know why a cessationist or a continuationist would have a problem with that. I don't know. Let's just say I got John McCarthy, who's a cessationist? And I got Dr. Brown, Michael Brown, who's a continuationist. Neither of them should have any problem with my approach. Why? Because if McCarthy says they've ceased, well, I'm not giving carte blanche or opening for anyone to come and bring some foolishness because if they do, I'm gonna judge what you're doing with the what? The scriptures. Dr. Brown shouldn't have a problem because I'm saying that I'm not against tongues. And so if your tongue's not in line with this, well, they've got a problem. Now, it's only when they say, well, my tongues don't have a line with scriptures. Well, now we do have a problem. If my prophecy doesn't have to line up with scriptures, well, then we have a problem. Now we can label you, I'm not saying he's saying it or anyone else is, but anyone who will have that tack, you are a heretic. You are literally the definition of a heretic. And so if your church is full-on cessationist, but everything is sound, then amen. Amen. Listen, sound doctrine trumps everything. Sound doctrine trumps everything. So you sound like you're in a good place. Melissa, thank you for the super chat. I appreciate that. And what'd you say? Who? The roads would bow, deceiving almost 900. Who is that? The roads would bow. Okay, Arthur, do me a favor. Put that in the chat. Not the chat. Put it in the comment section. Put it in the comment section. And then also you can't do it, but I could see it. Put a link to the video. You can't see it. By the way, guys, if you ever put a link in the comment section, they don't make it in. Okay, so if you, hey, my comment didn't make it, it's cause you put either bad word in a cuss word or it looks like it. A lot of times the hash word, the hash tags don't make it in either. Never will a link make it in unless I happen to see it. So you know what? Let me go ahead and make that link public, but put a link in there so I can see it and I'll see it cause I have to go back and manually approve links and I won't, but I'll look at that. So you're not sure if you believe Cynthia says, which is fine. Which by the way, if you're not sure, then say that, better to be truthful than to pick a side just because. Oh, you do believe in the gifts. Okay. I believe in them too, just I gotta see them correctly. I've gotta see them done correctly. If you come and speak it in tongues, if your gifts don't look like their gifts, you don't have gifts. If you don't look like Peter, Paul, Thomas, Bartholomew, Thaddeus, Andrew, if you don't like them, I discount you. Now, you gotta give me a biblical reason why you don't look like them. Well, the Bible says in this book, in this chapter, that it's okay for my gifts not to be like theirs. Well, then okay, fine. But until then, until then. So, all right guys, I didn't wanna cover that. It's time for me to go. They were far more miraculous. Which I heard someone say the reason why we don't see gifts like then, now, here in America, is because of a lack of faith. Now, I want you to think about that for a second before we get out of here. I want you to think about this for a second. The reason why we don't see gifts such as we saw in the Bible, the reason why we don't see them here, now, particularly in America, is because we don't have enough faith. Now, I want you all to think about that for a second. I want you to think about how unbiblical and really how silly that is. We don't see a move of God like we saw in the Bible because of our lack of faith. Wait a minute, Cory, I'm not catching, Cory. Why is that a silly thing? I'll tell you why that's a silly thing. I'll tell you why that's a silly thing. It's a silly thing because they didn't either. When Paul shows up, Peter and the Gang shows up, these gifts are being shown to who? Unfaithful people, people who are not part of the church. They're not going around healing other Christians. They're not going around and giving sight to other believers. They're going and giving, and these gifts are being shown to non-believers, folks who don't have faith. Secondly, even more important, or just as important, Paul has faith. Don't you have faith? How come your faith, since you are the one that's gifted, it'd be like this. It'd be like me having the ability to play. Okay, I can sing really, really good, or I can play the piano. But I can't play the piano good because you guys don't believe I can play the piano good. Does that make sense? I can't play the piano good because you don't think I can play the piano good, or I can't play basketball because you don't think I can play basketball. I'm a good surgeon, but I'm not good enough. I can't do an effective job of operating because you, patient, don't think that I can. Are you all with me? This is where it's also mind blowing. So now us unbelievers don't have enough faith, but when we look at Paul, when we look at Peter, when we look at Jesus, these folks that these gifts are being shown on, they didn't have faith. They're unbelievers. But then more to the point, the power was residing in these faithful men, right? Aren't you faithful? Aren't you, Mr. Apostle, Prophet, so-and-so, aren't you, don't you have faith? Or are you in the same boat that we're in? You're in the same boat that we're in so you don't have enough faith to demonstrate it. Oh, by the way, why do we need to see the power of God working in you when we already believe in the power of God? You know, I just realized something. I don't know why I wasn't thinking about this earlier. You can, actually, if you guys did put links and you can put links in the chat. I never thought about that, but I see links all the time. So I never look at them so don't put the links in the chat for me. But does that make sense though? We don't see gifts or the move of the spirit over here because we don't have faith and these other folks, they do have faith, but it's like your argument. If your argument can be broken down that quickly, you don't have an argument. So I just wanna see, I would love to see what we saw in the Bible. I would, man, listen, if you can walk in your shadow hills, people, I'd love to see it. If you can touch people, I know they don't do it on command. I know it's how the spirit moves. I get that. If you can just start speaking the language you've never studied before, I'd love to see that. I'd love to see anything that's gonna build people up brave and close to God. I would love to see that. And if you do it and then say it's not, don't get mad at me because I don't believe you. You threw some sleight of hand and I didn't catch it. I didn't feel it. And so you mad at me. Okay, who is Chris? Oh, let's see. Chris says, if Jesus spit on people and used mud, if he were here today, oh, he did. If he were here today, you would call him false. And remember, less than 1% of his miracles were recorded, imagine. Okay, couple of things, Chris. You can't make up stuff, couple of things. You don't know how many miracles he did. You don't know what percentage of his miracles are recorded. Is it possibly less than 1% possibly? What if it was 2.4% of the miracles that were recorded? We don't know. But the Bible says that if we wrote all the things that he'd done, we don't have enough books. You do realize that he's speaking kind of hyperbolic, right? There are books that literally have every second minute or day or hour, so we, you really, if someone were to undertake it, it could be done. Hey, you cover this day, but it's just not, that's the point of that statement. But why do you think that monkey moves or anyone else would not believe what Jesus is doing? You know why monkey, let's say monkey moves is hardheaded. He doesn't flow with the spirit. He's an ungodly person, which is not, he is a godly person. But let's just say monkey moves is just spiritually dull. He just, he just ain't good. He just, he just, he's awful. That's, that's monkey moves. Let's just say monkey moves. He, he, you gotta show it to him, right? Didn't Jesus show it to him? That's my point, Chris. Didn't Paul show it? Didn't Peter show it? They showed it and the unfaithful believed. Even those that became believers ended up seeing it and believed it. Even the folks who never did place their faith in him still believed it and validated it, yeah, it happened, but yeah, so what? So you can't say that somebody like monkey moves, who by the way, if he monkey moves, monkey moves loves the Lord so much and is so spiritually in tune. You know what monkey moves doesn't need? He needs a better name other than monkey, and I'm just kidding. But you know what monkey moves doesn't need? He doesn't need a miracle to believe Christ. He doesn't need a miracle to believe. Blessed are you, Thomas, but blessed are those who having not seen, still believe. What would you rather be? What would you rather be, Chris, the person who needs a sign to believe or the person who doesn't need a sign to believe? Y'all tell me, what's better? Needing a sign to believe or not needing a sign to believe? I would rather have the kind of faith where I don't have to have a sign to believe. That's what I'd rather, so you guys impugn yourself often and don't realize it. If Jesus came and did this, the you still wouldn't believe it, no, because when Jesus came and did it, they who didn't believe him still believed it, because you couldn't doubt it. That's the point, you couldn't doubt it. You could not doubt what was happening. I got a question though. Ask the Renee, are you a Renee? I just thought about that because there can't be all these, okay, I see Renee, are you also a Renee? Did you change? You guys change on me a lot too, by the way. You see chess champ, he changed his. No, okay, there's, okay, no, look at Renee saying no. He said no, okay, all right. Are you guys related? She said no, are you guys related? I just, I pick up these things. My spiritual gift of getting caught off guard and distracted is in high gear right now. So I was just wondering, oh, wait a second, let me answer this, I saw some more questions though. I'm sorry. Why does the Bible call Jesus the everlasting father? And I said, why do you ask these tough questions at the end, BJ's life? And you just changed your name. You just be just regular old BJ. Now you wanna, it's idiomatic, it's an idiom, it's a Hebrew idiom. So that's what that is. That's what they call him, that he's like, and the idiom is that he's like a father to us. Thank you, William Riddle for the super chat as well. I didn't get my answer. Okay. So we got, okay, so we got both the A's, Renee's here. Cause both your Renee's are spelled the same way. Sandwich in between Jennay, whose A part is a, you gotta A Renee, Jennay, and Ashley Renee. Okay. All right. No, don't change it. Don't change it. Why would you change your name? That's your name, but your mama named Ashley Renee, then we didn't call you Ashley Renee. I just wondered the A is for Adrienne. So Adrienne Renee, Ashley Renee. Okay, cool. All right, thank you. But the answer to my point though, if you cannot blame us for not having faith in your lack of true signs, that's the part that blow, we're at fault for not believing what you gave us. We're at fault. You failed to deliver and we're in the wrong because we don't believe. I don't believe what you're shoveling me, but it's me not having faith. Now the scriptures are more than enough. I can dance, rejoice, shout. I can get overly. If you can read the scriptures and become just as emotional as a person who needs to have somebody falling out or frothing at the mouth or speaking in some sort of dialect we never heard of, if all you need is a word, then I submit to you, you are far more mature than the rest. If the word is more than enough, you are far more secure, far more mature, far more advanced than any, than Dr. Sam Storm, than Dr. Michael Browner, anyone else, you are far more secure, you're far more prepared for the kingdom. You know why? Because what's gonna happen when the gifts that you think that you're relying on don't show up. What's gonna happen when the faith that you think that's gonna get you through all the bad to where all your good days are gonna stay good, get greater, get better, get gooderist? What happens when that didn't happen? What happens when your light don't come on? What happens when somebody in the family gets sick? What happens when the bills, the ends ain't meeting? What happens when all those things happen and you don't have something to see, to build your faith up? Because you've already demonstrated lifestyle where the word is not enough. Meanwhile, the rest of us who are leaning on the word, we're good. As they say, come hell or high water, come rain or shine, we're good because the word is what got us through in the first place. See, you all put yourself in a deficit so where you need to have something. Oh, by the way, Jesus did say a what kind of generation? An evil wicked adulterous generation seeks after signs. I don't need signs. I'd love to see a sign, man, would I? If an angel walking this door right now, I don't know what I would do. But if an angel walking the door right now, hey man, listen, let's talk. But if he doesn't, I still got his word. You buy this software, will I fall dead? Well, I don't know. I mean, that'd be a tough angel. I mean, I just don't fall over just for any old angel. I mean, what angel would you be, right? And oh, by the way, would this angel have hair? That would, if the angel comes in here with hair, it wouldn't move me, got to be a bald angel. That's the way I know he's, that way I know he's sitting by God. Yeah. Oh, hairy angel, it might be an angel of light. If the angel comes in with a cowboy's jersey, I know it's an angel of light. I know it's a devil. That's what I know. Yeah. Angel come in with some hair. I'm gonna, are you in these trans angels? I'm kidding. I'm kidding. But the point is, before I get myself in trouble, but the point is, we don't need that. I'm good with it without it. I did not have, when I was in that jail cell or shackle, I didn't have a sign. Wish I would've, wish I, you know, many guys would talk about how we can name and inclaim it and call these things that are not as all they were in prison. Do you know what is one of the best cures for the hyper charismatic prison? Yeah. If you are super charismatic, prison will take care of that. If you are super charismatic, and I don't know, let's say you're in Afghanistan or North Korea or China, you know what you're not gonna be hyper charismatic? Cause you know why? Cause you're not gonna put up with the foolishness. Yeah. That doesn't work. Find yourself in a Mexican prison and be charismatic. Something's gotta change. Something's gotta change. You know why? Cause after I don't see that, and I've been promised that, well then I'm gonna start relying on, why does it seem like some of the greatest Christians do seem to be in other countries? Or some of the greatest Christians tend to have health issues. Why do some of the greatest Christians can give you a story about what they've been through? Because what comforted them wasn't the stuff. What comforted them was the Word of God and the presence of God. The intangible thing that I don't have to validate for anyone to say, hey, he touched me and my arms were healed. My arthritis, it didn't flare up anymore. No, these people that can, that their faith is based on the Word of God. What does he say? We're gonna cover this in a day. Matter of fact, in one day, as a matter of fact, what true faith is, looking at the book of Hebrews 11. See, we know what happened in the beginning because the Word said so. An angel did not come down and share that with us. So we know because of our faith in what? In the Word of God. So this little nonsense, this little foolishness, this little cute little thing that you guys do about the Trinity being now the father, the son, the holy scriptures, you need to grow up. You need to start placing some validity in the scriptures, in his Word. And then that way, you don't need to have these things. I pray in tongues every day when I'm at prayer. What does that do for you? You still haven't found any sort of insecurity in his Word. So that's my point. Fine, pray in tongues away. I still wanna see you put the Word of God up where it belongs as a high banner for everyone to see. And that's what you point to refer to. Amen.