 I've also done a video put it up on YouTube. It's, it's only 15 minutes. It's a two parter because YouTube doesn't take things more than 10 minutes because I don't have an account that does that yet. So I have a two parter. So if you missed something here or don't want to look at this video. I've got that one on also Okay, so again, you're going to want to tell your students, put your cursor inside the zoom area. You'll see the mic. You'll see a video camera. That's where you can adjust your settings so that you can make sure you can hear me. And if you want to speak that you can speak Then tell them to hit the participants, you'll have a thing that says more. I believe that's what participants have you hit the more you see the participants in chat. Now what you can do in chat. As you can say, would I tell my what I told everybody is I at the very beginning of all of this when you first with your students Set up your zoom etiquette. Go look in my class, you're going to come into the classroom and have everybody muted, please do not unmute yourself. Or you can keep people unmuted and to say, please, you know, keep the environment whatever it's up to you. I always mute my people. I make sure they're always muted. Now me as the session leader. I literally have a And I literally have something where when you guys come on. I can I can mute everybody and not allow them to mute themselves to unmute themselves. And that's what I do because I want to have control over this because sometimes you have naughty students that like to You're mischievous and you just want to make sure nothing where you have to So how do you mute them. How do you mute them. Okay, you can't do that right now because I have you guys as participants. Now you can mute yourself, but You don't have those settings. So on the video that I made I actually can show you how to do that. I wonder if I could actually show you that Um, I might try that in a little bit to show you that I'll try to run a video and share my You can see it so you can see what it is to be the leader and do these things. Um, but right now I'm just going to go over it, but then I'll try to see if I can show you it. Now, so you won't be able to do that. But I do want by the time we leave. I want you to see that. So I'm going to do my see if I can do some magic. Um, so the other thing is on the controls down at the bottom. Like I said, you've got like tell your students to do the chat. Um, you could have it to wear every session that you're in. This is when you actually make the meeting that it records automatically. If you don't do that option, then, you know, you'd have to as the leader, you'd have to go down at the bottom and there's a thing that will tell you to record. I don't always have mine recording at first because I use this as office hours a lot and for study sessions. So I always tell my students, you know, I'm absent minded. So if you don't see the record button, let me know. And definitely they chat that in there. So Things like that on the bottom and once again, I'm going to try to get that video up for you so you can actually see As the person that, you know, that is running the session, what's your bottom looks like it's a little different than what you're seeing because you guys are the students right now and you're seeing what they would say. So, um, So what is the next thing. So we've got that now in the chat. As you can see, we've already have. Hello, everybody. So that's very good. So you'll have students come in. Now, whether or not you want as you're teaching your students to chat in questions or you could say, Hey, wait until I finish an objective, then put your questions in You know, chat them in. That's fine. Another thing you can do is and I'm going to ask people to do this. I'm going to ask everybody to do this. I'm going to say, Okay, hey, my students, you should now have your participants up in your chat window going What I would like for you to do is I want everybody to raise their hand and at the bottom of participants, you should have a way to raise your hand. So I want everybody to raise your hand. Okay. So find that to where you're raising your hand everybody. So what I can do is I can choose somebody I can say, Okay, um, who do I want to choose. I'm going to choose Denny and so I'm going to win Denny. I lost you. I got to do it quick. I'm going to Let's do Jeffrey Adams. I'm going to unmute you and I want you to say hi. Hi there. Yeah. And now I can I can lower your hand. I can actually be the one to lower your hand as a teacher. Now what I want everybody to do is I want you as the students to lower your hand. So now I have allowed people to Lower their hand or I can lower their hand. So in class, you could ask a question said in class, you could say, Hey, blah, blah, blah. Who wants to answer that and they'll raise their hand, then you pick your student and they can talk and answer your question. So it's kind of nice. It's pretty nice feature because you can really have an interactive class. Could you explain where the hand option is again. So what you would say to your students at the start of coming in on zoom. You would say, put your cursor in the zoom window and in that zoom window at the bottom, you're going to see something called more hit that more and you want to get participants and you want the chat window off and you ask all your students to do that. So once you've done that at the very bottom of participants, the participant window. It's a raise your hand. You can raise your hand or lower your hand. Do you see that now because someone asked. Yeah, great. Now. Okay, I had only okay cool. So that's what you want to do. You want to make sure that your students have both of these open so that they know all their options during class. Now after your first class, you won't have to do that. Once all the students know what they can do. And if they choose to, you know, not raise their hand. They could get Window so they have a bigger window to look at. Okay, so these are just some of the little things right here. Let's see any other question on that. Okay, so now we've got to where we've talked to our students as to what they can do and how they can interact. The next thing I want to tell you all is that when you do an online like this, then you're actually teaching it is it can be Extremely interactive where your students are really students that normally in class wouldn't ask you a question. All of a sudden they're asking questions. So you might actually really have a highly interactive class. It's kind of exciting and you you're trying to answer their questions and teach at the same time. So you'll have to get a rhythm to that. But kind of expected you'll have the unexpected students asking you questions. So once you set up how you want to run the class be prepared for that because it's a it's really exhilarating as it's a kind of a neat thing when you do the online so Now as I'm going through this, I'll go. Wow, you know what I want to be able to Put up my PowerPoints or I want to use my dot camera or something like that because I want to teach now. So what you would do is now in your window. You should see a share also when you tap in there. Do you see share. Does everybody see a share. If you see share, raise your hand so I can see that. Raise your hand so I can see that just kind of tap inside your window until you see share and I want to see everybody's hands up because you should be able to see in your window sharing Okay, yay. Good job. Your students also will be able to share to Now what you want to do is during class. You don't want them sharing, but during an office hour. You certainly do. Okay, because they might do a problem. They can take a picture of it, even if they don't have a scanner in their home that can take a picture of it and send it to you and you can literally help them with the problem. Looking at what they did and find their mistake. So office hours are awesome, awesome with this tool. Okay, and also you can get a lot of You can get a lot of people in your office using zoom. So instead of just one or two coming in, you can have, I've had study sessions where I've had 60 students come and we're doing stuff all together. It's kind of neat. So someone asked, where's the share button. Yeah, the share button. When you touch inside of your zoom, you should be able to see the share come up or it could be in your In your more. Who knows, because I don't see what you're seeing when you share here. What was that so it's at the bottom, right in the bottom of the middle of the page. Right your mouse to the bottom. So when you put your mouse inside there should be at the bottom of that page. That's what I thought because that's where mine is. That's a green link green. It's green. Yes. Yes. So can you see that now. Does everybody that asked where you can see it. See it now. Everybody good with that. Okay, excellent. Okay, so now I'm going to share something with you. So I'm going to now just to let you know I always have a double. Yay. See, they shared now as the leader of the group. I can preempt you with my share so I'm going to say, yes, I'm going to stop that screen share and I want to share my my screen. So I'm going to share my screen. So I'm going to share my screen with you. So you're seeing a big nothing So I share a document with you. Okay, and I'm talking to the class. Now I have a computer. I have the surface where I can actually write on to my computer. If you don't, you're waiting for a dot camera, then you can use paint is your better option because you have more control with your cursor. If you have an iPad or a pad, you could use an iPad and write on it. It's really nice and you can actually do problems. So what I do is I actually have something and I would say okay Um, hey, all have you created your zoom account and I can, you know, kind of highlight things as I'm teaching or what I do with my PowerPoints is I actually have a PowerPoint that has questions on it and I'll tell my students look I'm giving you 10 minutes to answer this. Then after and I pause my recording as I let them work on their problem and then after 10 minutes I start to record again and I say, Hey, let's go over this and I literally would say, Okay, I asked you to find the probability that X was less than 25. This is how we do it. And I'll give the answer, you know, I'll write it out. But I'm a kind of sloppy chick. So I actually on the PowerPoint have the next slide very neatly done for them. But I actually upload the answers later on with the video upload all the work that I did. Now if I have a worksheet, what I would do with the worksheet. So let's say that I gave him a worksheet. Um, and I gave him some problems. Again, I would have the worksheet and I work out the problems with them. And then I, when the class is over, I save this thing I have my save as I save it as a PDF, you know, save it as a PDF somewhere. And then I would upload that with all my work on it too, as well as the video because some students don't want to watch the whole video again they just want to make sure they got what you, you know, how we did the steps for a problem. These are kind of good methods that you can do. So I saw that. Let me see. I just want to make sure because I hadn't put my chat up. If anybody had questions with all of this wonderful stuff. So where did you go I can't find the chat. It's got to be somewhere in here. Because I want to make sure that I'm answering questions as we do this. So in here. How do I upload a doc. You don't what you do is with zoom you wouldn't upload a doc to zoom you would actually have this particular document on your on your computer and when you share it would pop up. So what I do is since I have two monitors I put all the stuff that I'm going to do for my class on the one monitor. And then I have my zoom here so that I can just pull documents over to them. But if you don't have that then you can just have the documents ready down here and you can pull up the document you want. By just clicking on it so if I had my documents and at the start of the class I have them waiting for me. I would pull up whichever document I want to start with and work on it does that make sense. Okay good. Yeah there is a board underneath but a lot of people are finding trouble with that. I have on my thing I have my own where I can actually have my own white board and draw on it. I tend to do that too and then I can write on that and share it as PDFs also I do a couple of things when I'm in here whatever works best. I like to have everything ready before class though and write on the things that I have just because it makes me feel confident but that's the way I do it. I mean everybody will have their own way of doing this. So as I go through so I'm running through here I finish up problems then I would say hey does anybody have questions and so then I'd look at my chat and I'd look to see who has questions for me and then I'd answer them one at a time. If you have a large lecture and you have TAs you might want to have your TAs come if you're doing a problem session have them on there and have your TAs answer questions as you go along to that's really helpful also. But if you're alone look I've had a large large class in here and I've been able to answer all the questions. So I've been okay by myself but these are just ways that if you want to make things a little bit easier you could have your TAs help you. It would be kind of nice. So I'm going to stop sharing for a moment because what I want to do is make sure I have covered everything I wanted to at this beginning session so that now I can ask you all what questions you have in here so anybody that has a question this is just the small things you know like how you can move around zoom. I helped a group of people earlier this week and honestly I can show you all of these things but until you get in and do it yourself you won't feel comfortable so I would say if you can find somebody that will help you. Go on and have them help you know like you could be the participant as they're the ones that are running the session and vice versa. Okay so in here if you have a question you can either type it in or unmute yourself or that's kind of tough because we've got a lot of people but let's see how would you allow parallel screens for you and your students sharing at the same time. I have never done that I don't know if that's possible. Now can you share two documents at the same time. Yes, you'd have to put them on your screen and share both of them so you could do this. So let's say I want to share my screen and in here I could put this document minimize it put up a second document. You know, minimize that and I'd have two documents up there that I could show my students working at the same time. You certainly can do that that's perfectly reasonable but I've never, I don't know I've never done it I've never tried to have both me. I don't think you can have both people sharing. I've just never done it so I better not say I know maybe it's possible but I've never done that and I didn't know it was possible. Is it possible to record a live session and then also upload to elms. That's what I do. I actually like what I'm going to do here is I'm going at the end of it. This video that we're making here. It's going to render on my computer and I'll have a video of it. I'll send it to Stephanie and she's going to upload it on to the site. So, yes, that's exactly what I do with my classes. I will have the video and then I'll upload it right on to elms. However, if you've created your account to where it's on elms it will automatically upload to elm the video and your students can go to zoom on elms and go to your meetings. I mean and go to the videos and they'll be able to see the video. Okay. Um, is it possible. I don't think it's possible for to do. Okay, could you show us how to break the participants into smaller rooms. There is a case. So let me stop sharing. There is a chat room feature that you can have. I've actually never used it. That's one thing I haven't done. I never found the use for that in my in what I do. So I'm sorry I can't. I know there's a break room feature that you can hit and you can put people in different groups. I've just never used it. So I'm sorry I can't help with that one because I've just never done it. I've talked to people that have used it other institutions and it seems to work quite well for group work and stuff like that. So people can definitely play with it. I think TAs can play with it. You can make them. You can I think you're going to at least four groups going and you can monitor each group but the groups don't see what each other is doing. So it's anyway something people should play with and report back to the group so we all benefit from intelligence. Okay. Thank you so much. Yeah. Like I said I've never had to do the group you know in the way that I've used it never had to use it but I know that it does have that feature to break people away. Oh one thing I did want to say in the chat when you're the when you're the one that is is conducting the meeting in the chat. There's three little dots when you hit that you can make it to where people can't privately chat with one another. They can only chat to the whole class so you can stop people you know getting away from the class and talking to one another. So you might want to do that like you've got to play around and zoom in the video that I made I in the video that I made on YouTube and that will be put up. I show you how to do that how to make it so that your students can only chat within the class and again you might want to not have that feature depending on what you're doing in your class. So the chat's really not going to be as the video that's going to be sent does the recording record the chats to see the chats are naturally recorded or you actually have as an instructor, the recording of the chats. So can I interrupt your fear for a second back to there's a question about uploading two Elms and I just follow your here. Can you show them. Can you actually show them that Jeff. me one second. Let me think if I can. Let me just say what I was going to say, which is that the video that's on the math department site now called Canvas and Zoom or something like that does exactly that. It shows you how if you launch Zoom from within Canvas when you're done and you click end the meeting, it automatically gets uploaded to Canvas. So you don't have to go through some extra step of going to YouTube or whatever. Okay. And also when you're actually making, Jeff, when you're actually making your meeting, there is a choice where you could say record to the cloud or on your computer. Right. You want to keep it to the cloud or it won't go automatically, correct? That's correct. You definitely want to save it to the cloud. And an important point is that anything that's saved in the cloud does not count against your disk quota. And if you upload videos some other way, it depends on how you do it, but they will count against your disk quota. And so you don't want to do that. So it's definitely best to keep them in the cloud. And that's I wanted people not when they see that, yeah, go to the cloud, don't say record on to my computer. I have to do because I've got a personal account. But if you're going through ELMS, that's the way you want to go. Because like you said, you could run out of room real quick. How can students download their quizzes directly to Canvas? Well, it depends. You mean, if you're giving them a document, a quiz, then you would create an assignment on ELMS and make sure that you have uploads and that they can upload a document. And that's how a student, I can show you that if you would like me to. Jeff, Jeffrey, I'll do that first. Show them how to do that, or unless you're ready to go with the ELMS. No, go ahead. Okay. So let me get in here. Yeah, I'll show you how you can create an assignment and be able to have your students upload. And then you can grade with the speed grader. Okay. It's really a great feature of Canvas. And in fact, the quizzes done on Canvas are excellent because you can randomize questions. You can make it very difficult for them to cheat if it's a timed quiz where you randomize the questions and the answer or do write-ins. So these are things that are really great. So let me share my screen again. So you can see my ELMS. And here's this. So what you would do is you'd have assignments and you would make assignments. So in assignments, here's my first assignment. So I've already created this one. It's going to save me a little bit of time. So I'll show you what you would do. You would upload whatever your assignment is, whether it's a, you know, a document of a document or a PDF with whatever directions you have. Then you tell how many points it is. You let it and know what assignment group it is. So if you're going to call it quizzes, make sure you have an assignment group called quizzes. And then you would want it, you would want it to be counted as to the final grade. Then you would say, if you didn't have this, if you had no submissions like that, you want to make it online where they can do file uploads. So you'd want to check that. You could even have, if you just have a question you want them to answer, you could have them do text entries, whatever you'd want. Then you can actually put the due date when you want it available and all that good stuff. And then you hit save. And now you have an assignment on there that they can upload. And you can now grade it when they upload it. So you go, how do I grade that? You would go to your grade book and you'd use what I like my students is I like them to do. I like my TAs when they grade these. I would be called speed grader. So you go into an assignment. Now most of my assignments are, see how you see that? That means that one hasn't been graded. All of these have been graded. So this one hasn't been graded. So I click on it, I'd hit the arrow and I'd go to speed grader. In speed grader, you now can grade what they uploaded. So you're looking at it. And if you have your grading guidelines sitting next to you and you look at something, you say, hmm, I don't like that title. You go here. You go here and you'd say bad title or however you want to do it. And you say minus one point. Okay. So if it's out of 25, now they have a 24. And you would keep putting comments on here. And then you give them, finally give them their grade. So if you saw another place where they've done something wrong, you put another comment and you leave that comment. And then you finally put their grade in. So I don't want to grade this thing yet. Now that's one way to do it. Other people don't like that. They say, oh, that takes too long. But then you can add comments to whatever you want to do. And then you would submit the comment down there. And then the grade, once you put the grade in there, that's what goes on Elm's grade book. Okay, so I'm going to pull that off because I'm sure people have questions about that. Okay, so breakout rooms might be more featured if you set up breakout rooms by starting UMD. So Karen answered about the breakout rooms in there. Thank you so much. Is there any option where a student can talk to me privately through audio and not through chat? Not on Zoom, not during a session. You'd have to have a private session with them. Okay, questions about how to upload on Elm's quiz or something like that so your students can now upload. If they did a problem set, they could take a picture of it, upload it onto Elm's. And you can grade it through the speed grader. It's a really great feature in Elm's. Do I have other questions? I just joined my dear. Oh, hello. How are you? Oh, this is Konstantina. Let me put my... I don't know anything of what you said because I was in another meeting and now I'm in desperate situation because I just showed up here and I have one question. If I record myself, how... Is it easy to upload my lecture? How am I supposed to do that? Of course, you must have discussed this already. So you want to do it without the class there or with the class? I would say without the class because this is the advice that we got. That it is better if we do it earlier and we upload it. Okay. So if you want to do it through Zoom... Lou, should I do that demonstration now? Was that... Yeah, go right ahead. Just give us a second. We'll do this demonstration and get to that. Go ahead. No, I mean that's addressing... It's addressing this question. So let me share my screen. This is Jeff Adams, by the way. I did. Okay, so are we looking at my 636 class here? Okay, give me a second. So first of all, Konstantina, your question... You were saying something about... The recommendation is to do it before class or something. I think the issue is whether you're doing a live class or you're doing a recording. And it doesn't matter so much. If you do a live class, you should record it. And when you're done, you should upload it. And if you're not doing a live class, you just do it and you record it and you upload it. So in either event, you want to record it and upload it. Okay, is that clear? Yes. Okay, so I've enabled Zoom. So I can click on Zoom. And I get here to my Zoom page. And let's look at all my Zoom meetings. So these are upcoming meetings. I've scheduled a bunch of classes. Here's some previous meetings which I've had. And if I click on... Well, let's go to Cloud Recordings. That's the main point here. For example, I have a file here. I go to Cloud Recordings. And then under this class right here, it says two files. I click on that and there are two files here. One is a video and the other is the audio only. And the students can access this here. They can navigate to this page and they can watch the recording. And this is in the cloud. This is in the Zoom cloud and that's where you want to be. Okay, so let me show you how you do that. And again, this is all explained in the video that's on the remote teaching page. So I'm not going to go through slowly. You can watch that video for a more careful presentation. But the basic idea is the following. You go to your Zoom page and you schedule a new meeting. Now, you can either schedule a meeting for the future or right away. It doesn't really matter. Let's just say we're doing it right away. So I'm going to skip the description. It's not a recurring meeting. No registration. I'm the host. The host will have his video on. The participants won't. Most of these settings are fine. Mute participants upon entry is recommended, as Sue was saying earlier. I'm going to use my personal meeting ID. If you don't do that, I forget how there's an option to... You'll get a different ID, but let's just do that. And let's... This is the key thing here. Record the meeting automatically. And on the local computer or in the cloud. The crucial thing is you want to do in the cloud. If you do it on your local computer, you'll have the video on your computer. And if you want to edit it, that's a good thing to do. If you want to upload it to YouTube, that's a good thing to do. But if you want to make it readily available to your students, you should do in the cloud. Click Save. And let's start the meeting. Now, I'm not sure if this... You were already in another meeting. Do you want to leave it? No. Okay, so let's not actually do that. But let me just say... Let's see, how do I go back to where I was? Yeah, let's just say that when you do do that, when you're done and you click in the meeting, there will be something which pops up and says, okay, I'm saving it to the cloud now. And I'll go back to the Zoom page. And if you just navigate here, all my Zoom meetings, it will show up here. It takes a few minutes, but it will show up here. And again, your students can navigate here and see it. And it's stored in the Zoom cloud. And so it doesn't count against your disc quota. Questions? Now, Konstantina, I put the YouTube videos of how everything that I did that you might have missed in the chat. The second one, part two, kind of deals with the sharing the files and how you can get your lecture put up. And the two of them together is 15 minutes, so they're not long. They're straight to the point that get to it. So if you want to see how to share your screen, how to get the document there, you can do that. I did it through Camtasia. I actually videoed. So you could see as an instructor how everything. All right, guys, how can I find the videos? Can you send me a link? Yeah, right there in the chat. Oh, go to the bottom of your screen. Put your cursor on the bottom of your screen. You're going to see more. Hit participants in chat. Participants, yes. And then hit chat. And at the bottom of chat, I put the YouTube links. Here are the... Part one, part two. Yes, yes. And building them together is 15 minutes, so it's not a lot of time. I tried to get to the point. Excellent. Thank you so very much. I know because it's crazy time, so I want to make sure people as quickly as I can get people up to snuff. So, Sue, these are the same links that are on the departmental website? Yes, they are on the site. They should be up. I think Stephanie said they should be up right now, yeah. Sue, just to clarify, what you showed there was how to save things to your disk and then go through YouTube and then put a link to your YouTube video? No, that on YouTube. What we're doing right here, I did it without everybody. I just showed in case somebody couldn't make it to our Zoom meeting. This is the same stuff that I've gone over here is on those YouTube. Oh, I see, okay. Ah, very nice. So, like, Constantina was late, but now she can see the beginning part to the end. I have a question. First, sorry, I got late because I was in another Zoom meeting with Constantina. And I have a question you probably addressed earlier, which is the use of these camera documents. Because I've never done it. Is it a video or some information I can read about how to use this? Oh, it's going to be really easy. Once the dot camera comes, you're going to hook it to your computer. And then in the share, there's a little, if you touch your screen, you're going to see something green that says share. Yeah, yeah, the share screen. That share, you'll see dot camera and you'll push it and it will go and turn your dot camera on. So you'll be able to write and talk at the same exact time and your students will see the dot camera. Do you know the delivery time of this? We just got an email just now. It popped in as I was trying to get the YouTube links. It just popped in that we're supposed to fill out the dot camera to get it. So they're thinking maybe late next week. Is that, can anybody speak to that? I think that's what I heard was late last, late next week. So for next week, that's something else. Yeah, you're going to have to supplement either by using paint and writing with paint on your screen for people to see what you're doing. It's not optimal, but you still can do it. Unless you've got like an iPad or on the website, you can make your phone like a dot camera where you put zoom on your phone, you start the meeting on your phone, put your, you know, have something where you can lay your phone looking down at a piece of paper and you can write on your paper and make a makeshift dot camera. So that's another, and that was a really cool idea. So that's what you could do in the meantime. Sue, the email from Ant, I think it was Antoine earlier. It seemed to indicate that the cameras might actually be shipped out tomorrow. So there's a- Yeah, correct. If I can just, just for a second. Oh, where is it? It's just supposed to be recently the camera today and hoping to ship them tomorrow. So if you did get the email asking you to fill out the form doing right away so that they can gather all the shipping addresses and send the camera as soon as possible. And I think they're, they're, they're sending them via FedEx. So we got emails requesting our names or something? Yeah, it says something like urgent fill out this ASAP to get dot camera loaner. Right, by Mark? Ah, fill out your- That's the MacTabbit address. That's one. Oh, yes. I just got it. Yes. Yes, I'm telling you. It like popped up magically. It was like, yay! Okay, MacTabbit address. Can one practice without scheduling a meeting? Hold on a second. There was a question. Can you practice without scheduling a meeting in there? Yes, you can. You can just go on there and start a meeting now and practice. And I would say honestly, go on and do that. What I did is I used my phone and I actually made my phone the student and I was the person because I wanted to see what the students saw because I rarely ever see that. And so I practiced with myself and that's how I made the video too so that you could see a student and then look at what the student view looks like and what your view looks like. So that's on those YouTube videos I go through and show that. The only thing I think I forgot now that we've said this is how to end a meeting which when you end the meeting you end the video. When you hit the bottom of your screen as a person that does this, you guys see leave the meeting. I see end the meeting. And when I end it, I end it for all of you. I hack you all out of here when I hit the end of the meeting. Now, if you leave the meeting the rest of us are still here. So me as the one that made the meeting I'm the only one that can end it. And once I end it the video is then put into the cloud. It has to render put into the cloud and then it'll be right available for your students to see. I have a question about so one thing that's recommended when you make video things is the video should be short. Yet the meetings tend to be long. So is there a way to stop the video and create a file and upload that and then again without disrupting the flow of the presentation too much? Yes, there's a thing that says pause or stop recording. And I do do that in my class when I have them like I'll teach a little bit then I'll give them a problem to do and then I'll say, okay guys remember I'll give you 10, 15 minutes to do it. I pause my recording. I don't want that because if they looked at they wouldn't know where to beginning. But you still get one recording though, right? If I do it that way, yes. So I was asking if you can actually break the presentation or the event into say four videos. No, I don't think so. I don't yeah, I don't think so either. Yeah, whereas if you're pre-recording as some people do which I think is good for large lectures then you can do that. You can set up four videos and post it for the students say. Yeah, now when I actually do recordings I actually got Camtasia and that thing rocks as far as making videos because you can make them any length you want. You can make it really long and then cut that in pieces. But if you're going to use Zoom you'd have to do it outside and then do it in pieces and then have each of those be recorded. That's the only way to do it. Let me raise one issue that people should be aware of because there's a bug I think and I haven't quite figured out it seems it happens to some people and not to others but when you make a Zoom recording in the class way just demonstrated you can navigate there and see it and in principle your students can't also. There seems to be a problem with that. Sometimes it takes a long time even hours or a day for the students to be able to see it or it's even possible that it doesn't show up for the students. Tom Haines had some problem with that. So be aware that it's possible you'll tell your students go to such and such a place to see the video and they'll say that I can't and we're working on that and hopefully we'll figure out what the story is. So Jeff, what do you really advise us? Do you advise us to record and upload or to do it live? I don't have any advice on that I don't think it really matters because let's say you're giving an hour long class if you record it beforehand it takes you an hour and if you want to have students watching while you're doing that it doesn't really matter. Now there is one difference which is if you're going to make it live we're supposed to do it actually during the class time. So if you want flexibility you want to be able to record this meeting whenever you this class whenever you want then that would say forget the live class and just record it but what I'm going to do is I'm going to hold my regular class time I think there's a certain continuity and regular scheduled advantage to that and I'm going to do them live and then record them and make them available. Jeff, go ahead Ricardo. If we do this live is it possible for the students perhaps to ask questions right? More class. And that's what I think you want because I'm telling you and especially Constantina you're going to love it you're going to have students that generally don't talk ask you questions it's a very lively engaging thing so I love the live seriously it's I've had large I mean I'm going to 70 students and it is like amazing so I don't I love it so you might want to try it right now since we don't have yet the document camera and would you suggest that I have a PDF file and I set my screen and this is how I do the class and I upload my lecture notes this year for the students but now I will prepare it and I'm going to discuss them in front of them something like this. Well there's the other thing too you're going to want especially for the first day of class so you might not even have your document camera as you explain how they are to use zoom and what they're supposed to look at what your you know zoom etiquette is you're going really just like the first day of class how you explain how your class is going to be run you got to explain how this online class is going to be run because it's going to be a little bit different do you want them asking questions as you're teaching do you want them to ask after you finish a particular objective so you set your tone so this first day Monday it's like your first day of class so you might not get to too much teaching as you're teaching them how they use zoom and you know because as you're getting used to it too and let them know you know be very honest with the students I always am I'm like look this is the you know I'm not really this is my first time using this so you know and they'll help you Yes I have already told them the last time that's very high tech we're going to learn together and see it's great and they will help you they are I'm telling your students they're going to amaze you you are it's cool you're going to love it you're going to love it so Sue I have some feedback that's not my own experience but I was talking with a bunch of people through this national educational electronic seminar Math Ed we're talking about online and people kind of agree with you totally for the smaller the class the more you want to do it live and the interaction it tends to get unwieldy the larger the lectures are and so then there's more people that prefer pre-recording but breaking it into smaller bits so the students can dig into it and then just have office hours or something for clarification it's just a class dynamics and since each class has a different personality there's not a one size fits all rule that these people tend to do agree to but but you sort of have to touch and you know feel how your class responds to the different things but this general trend of really going to the live interactive stuff for small smaller classes and then more of a presentation for larger classes that seem to be a consensus why can't I guess because I've taught so many large lectures I've done I did my 250 students with yeah as I said it's a trend it's just a trend and some people say it works better even people that do it in large lectures say it works better in the smaller ones in their view oh definitely you like the smaller ones because it's doesn't make you sweat as much I'm telling you I actually sweat you want to leave on these online classes because you got all these questions and you've got you got to make sure you got your stuff ready and you've got a lot I find that I get a lot more participation on the online so yeah the large lectures like holy moly wait wait stop with the questions let me answer them you know one at a time so um it's it's neat um it's something for people to try because you might say me I can handle it or I don't like it and I'll do the pre-recorded so I would say you know give it a try and let your students know look we're trying stuff out we might go to pre-recorded but it's nice to be able to answer their questions in real time so make sure that you know having office hours and I suggest that we do something we try this for a couple of weeks and then we share our experiences so that we learn from each other and not reinvent the wheel oh for sure and I think that's why I think that's why they have that slack so we can right isn't that why the slack was created yeah let me let me really encourage people to sign up for slack and there's a lot of communal knowledge which will be shared there have you sent us the information already for slack just go to the math department remote teaching page there's a link okay because I'm or somebody else invited me for slack if I have been invited once is it easier or I have to be am I using the same thing I have another meeting that has a slack as long as it's your UND account it'll just be the same but I think what will happen is I'm not sure exactly but you'll see different channels and there I'm not sure how which channels show up or something but it's the same you just have one slack account oh you know what I did because I had another slack account with something else it will say this is your slack account do you want to enter another one and you go down I think it's like math UMD math is this one and then you hit that one so now you'll be in the math UMD and you can always go to the other slack one but you can stay in the UMD one yeah that's it because I did it yesterday yes yes because I am in another one on quicks quantum and I think it will be definitely different for sure yeah very nice so guys will will it be okay you think are you optimistic oh you are I think you guys are going to love it I'm not kidding I mean I'm going to miss I told my students this on the last class I said I'm going to miss seeing your face it's like really seeing you in the class which you will but you're going to find this to be a very neat tool and like I said I have done help sessions and test reviews using zoom for years now and I've done online classes for my one class where we can get on together and work I do it every Friday with them love it I really really love it but I you know there's something about seeing your your kids man you know yeah today Liliana was talking about her husband who is professor and he said he spent an hour giving the lecture and he thought that he had clicked the record button and he did it and he missed the whole thing this is this advantage of pre-recording because you may do it and nobody I'll give a slightly different answer to your question I also think it's a it's a great medium I'm not quite as enthusiastic as Sue but I do think it's true that we've been talking about this sort of thing for years and if there's any silver lining to the ridiculous situation we find ourselves in it's that finally people are going to get online and I think a number of people will take to this and it's going to be good and from now on whenever we have a travel we don't have to find a substitute for our classes for today's we can give see I've been doing it for years like if I catch a call I'll do a zoom meeting you know I know like I don't want to sit there and give you stuff to read now I want you with me you can hear me suffer exactly so Konstantina I have a suggestion that you change your background the the sun bright makes you hard to see nice beautiful scene but we miss seeing you and your students will miss seeing you oh yes I let me ask you something better background even though that's a beautiful background I'd love to be there yes I have to do this Dave I'm going to tell you the background I'm going to make it's actually possible to have a video background and so something you can is something you can do is you can have a video of yourself nodding and then you don't even have to watch you just go away and but it it depends you're at the meeting oh that's wrong that's wrong on so many levels I've seen that somebody did it I love that oh so that they were actually in one of the sessions that the I think was an AMS session they were recommending even though there's that option to not use it because the moving backgrounds tend to distract students ah let me see this then if I don't use my background so do you do you like this better well you still got bright windows exactly so I have to change the location of my desk this is my only solution or you get darker curtains and red screw so could I just say something about using the document camera because that's something I have done what I've done is I plug in the document camera into my usb port before I start zoom and then down in that bottom menu bar where it has the little camera image right mine is muted right now but um there's a little up carrot and so I can change my camera view so if I wanted so let me just can I share my screen and just show you what I could do okay so let me do this so right do you see where I've got the carrot here then I'm hovering over we can't see you have to compare the screen I thought I shared maybe I didn't try again your video camera is not on then now but the screen should share still share right is it sharing yet no no maybe you can put on your video camera okay all right now there's me now if I do share screen now will it see if it comes on okay I will try again um oh I see there's goofy things okay it worked did it come up for you okay um so but I wanted to show you what it looked like in zoom and I'm not sure it's gonna hmm it doesn't seem to like to show me okay in my zoom screen there was on that bottom menu bar um yeah oh no that's something else there is a um maybe that would we show it though come on back up this is actually oh I'm sorry okay the screen share idea was a great idea it didn't work um let me go back to um I can change my video input into my um document camera let me maybe I can do that for you does that show my document camera now it does doesn't it yes okay I don't see it it's it's up in your private thing but it's not we're not seeing it on the shared screen that's interesting okay so but if I were teaching I would be able to just um wear it in the bottom of your I'm gonna stop sharing in the bottom of your oh there it is yeah oh now it came up big okay yeah because what I wanted to do was just I didn't want to share my screen I just wanted to change my camera so instead of using my webcam I chose the document camera and now the students can see whatever I'm writing so I can use this like my blackboard and I don't have to you know have a digital pen or something so that means that you can even teach write on the paper and yes but it is hard for them to see if you haven't written in the past probably so yeah so I think that's probably what are you gonna show us currents how the document camera looks like oh what my document camera looks like well I have a little one it's not going to be the same as yours um mine is just a little guy but I got from I ordered this off of Amazon that's a little $200 document camera for them I think that we're gonna I think what the campus is going to be getting us are big ones that have like a big prevalent area on them at least that was my impression like the ones that are in the large lecture places that was what I understood that they were going to use that same time for us and then re-purpose them in classrooms I love that though that looks so good that's going to make writing so much easier you know and when you're writing on your screen so I can't wait but I just meant a felt tip pen because it's a little fuzzy otherwise if you just use regular pen but the felt tip seems to make it nice thank you this is a very good tip wow we need all the help we can get don't you know it Dave have you tried it ever the document cameras I use them all the time in Edward St. Johns and it's basically the same kind of thing they're giving us what I advise is it's hard to do the whole lecture with them simply because well they're kind of vertical like a sheet of paper and it's hard to fit you know it's not like a blackboard in terms of the information you can fit on it visible to the class but it's wonderful for actually hand going through an example and and maybe a graphing example or an analytic example they see it appear right in front of them in real time they like that other questions yeah we're getting some stuff done here so we've done well we need to let me ask you something remote teaching 001 if I know nothing I'm going to go to the remote teaching web page of the department and the links that you sent me to and that will be okay you think yeah yes I think that'll be a really good start and honestly if anybody wants to practice you can email me or just email anybody or like I said I practice with myself just to see what students look like using my phone as the other as the other zoom person but I had to leave it out of the room because there was feedback but you know you play around with it make sure you practice at least one time before Monday just to get a feel for it you know okay let me ask you something else I noted for the students to know which I have to send them a link the link will be sent automatically if I fill out this form that you saw just earlier versus I have to whenever I attend the zoom meetings I receive a link and I click on it yeah so what's going to happen is when you go to the canvas page and you open up the zoom thing where you start a meeting your students will be invited to that meeting automatically and in fact we Radu and I played with us yesterday and as soon as we invited the students to the class meetings one of them popped on anyway and so we did our drive run with the that student it was both of us playing with it and trying to learn how to do the one thing we failed at doing was to figure out how to save the record recording so I've got to go back and look at these two links that we were talking about because I noticed a lot of people had hard time exactly at this point to try to save the recorded the thing that they recorded and then they were they lost it you know so yeah that's what happened to us so that's why I was hoping to well I'm going to try again and hold the students not to count on the recordings the first week we were going to try but understand that we're it's the blind leading the blind so this has been great oh I think they're all coming no I wish I had come earlier but I was in the meeting and I couldn't make it you see how our life has become I'm attending more meetings now than before even and now we're going to be trapped in zoom meetings we really need this virtual this Jeff background any other questions yes can I ask a question can you hear me oh I can I've been trying to post something on chat for the last 15 minutes so I wrote something doesn't matter it's a stupid question I chose to everyone fine then I have three little dots to the right I see chat and it hasn't been saved well what did I do wrong so you in there you say it says to everyone you wrote something and did you hit enter now now do you see my question I don't think so no I mean so that's odd that doesn't matter it was a stupid question well one thing is Matei there's an address feature can you look to see who is in the address everyone okay wow you just type under it and return it should go through well it says type a message yeah and then you type a message in there and then return and then hit return yep and it should work nothing happened okay that's a first honestly is a first it doesn't matter did Dave Dave sent his his test message yes and I've been trying to send mine for the last 15 minutes okay can you Matei I think that's something specific to your machine or your setup so yeah I guess you need help with that well one thing you could try you know where it says everyone the little down arrow why don't you do pick somebody and try to send the message to just one person and see if that works and let the person know that you're sending it to them you know oh that's a strange guys let me take a a gallop now how confident you are that we're going to make it raise your hand oh I love all that you see me we know oh well know that if you have any questions really you have a lot of people and we have the slack you could email me I'll try to help as best I can and as quickly as I can you know I can't help you when I'm teaching but any other time I can help and then if there's a question that seems to be popping up more I'll make another video and post it to YouTube and make sure the link gets up and all that good stuff very nice thank you so in case people didn't see if the provost just sent out a message as this meeting started saying that we're going to pass fail option with the students allowing to take a letter grade as option but if they don't do anything it'll be pass fail for this semester only and let me ask you something Dave is there any decision about the final exam how are we going to give a final exam well now that we know the grading option that's up for that's that's Antoine's decision to make what we're going to do about uniform finals but clearly evaluation in online education is a huge problem in terms of integrity of evaluation and this is the main reason why MIT went to pass no credit because of their experience with shall we say not the not fidelity of their evaluations and it's sort of disappointing that the students are being given this AB option but it will incentivize cheating this is what MIT has found so this is something we just got to live with because in my opinion the administration made a bad call here I think Doran expressed as much at yesterday's meeting but we'll just have to live with it so that means that I have given one meter in my class my second meter will be cancelled the way that it goes if I don't have a final if I have to give a grade even pass fail it has to be based on the first meter and the homework no no no but the students have the option of taking a letter grade so we will not know whether they're doing pass fail or letter grade we will still have to assign letter grades I see okay but the the advice that was given I think it was by Antoine or was it Doran I don't remember yesterday about forgetting the pluses and minuses sticking with ABC and F as your letter grades simplifies matters but there's also an there's also an email from Doran in your mailbox that claims that so as far as final exams are concerned so the usual requirement that we have final exam has been waived for this semester which means that it's up to individual instructor to decide if they want to have a final or not we'll have to issue the department will issue some we'll make some decision regarding lower level classes 100 200 but for a 400 level class it's going to be up to the instructor to decide if they want to have a final exam or not if you have a final exam it will have to be some kind of take home exam and that is fine you can have a take home you have to assume that it's an open book exam and you can use that as part of your grade now in the email of Doran it also says that you are free to revise the way you want to compute your grade at this point as long as you make that available to the students you can change so you can you do not have to cancel your second midterm you can keep a second midterm but make it a take home midterm but the point is you have this flexibility now to just change your syllabus and tell the students how grades will be assigned and that's there's any other questions I guess I'll end the meeting and thank you very much Su for everything oh you're welcome thank you Su thank you all for coming you guys are nice to see everybody bye bye bye