 Anyway, I said to him after I said do you want to do like a debate? I think it would be interesting because you're a former Muslim and you know I'm Muslim and maybe we can have like a debate let people know what happened let people judge you know the Quran tells us to engage in Jid'al right? They will say that I want to engage in debate with the people of Jid'al with wisdom which is what it means here with academic rigor sophistication and with beautiful exhortation or preaching or they say you're with good character right this is the sunnah way of making da'wah right is to have a good logos as Aristotle would say good logic right to have to be intelligent to use reason but also good ethos or ethos which means to have good character so so he said uh yeah let's let's discuss that it's okay so we I didn't think I'd ever hear from again I mean I hear this all the time but lo and behold you know he called me and he said let's meet at this restaurant and we could talk about the debate and the parameters and whatnot that's not great uh so we go there and um so I never forget he looked at me you know this Christian pastor former Muslim apparently and he said and he started speaking Farsi to me to you know to get on my even though it also be Farsi very well but he said he's Ali John first and foremost I'm a businessman okay he said we can make a lot of money doing this oh I guess I'm sitting there and I'm I'm clueless right it's like I'm not hip to the game apparently I'm uninitiated and he said and I said every so you said what topics do you think about I give all these oh slow down slow we would do this topic this day you'll say this I'll say this we'll go back and forth we won't reveal too much and then the second debate you know we'll get more people we'll charge prices this is not so okay and then he kind of looked at me he said you know sometimes they still recite the Quran so okay and then suddenly it clicked in my mind I said to him are you Muslim and then he went like this I said so wow wow so this is a very good job this basically he said he had like a Humber outside you know and he lives in like Ruby Hills or something like that wearing a harmony suit