 Okay, though I really wanted to emphasize fun in in climate change at a Mitigation I think it's something that it absolutely can be filled with a lot of fun activities But it it comes across you know all the words that people use are you know doom and gloom and responsibility and morals and You know, it's I think that really kind of puts some people off and I think it really It really paralyzes some people and it keeps them from doing things they might otherwise do So let's see if this is working Just not oh So the we're talking about net zero today, which Steve my co-presenter is gonna talk more details about what exactly that means But I do want to point out that it is not a destination. It's not something like oh my god I'm so far away from there. I'll never make it and then you never get to the point where you say yay I'm done. I'm there Everybody has something that they can do to to move somewhere along the path and it's you know The path is really the point though, you know Being in tune with the earth and living with the earth rather than taking advantage of the earth So next slide It's not a amplifying my yeah, sorry. Can you hear me? Okay, sorry So this kind of effort re-emphasizes that point that there are you could take big steps You could take tiny steps, but the important thing is that you're on the path and you're moving forward I know a lot of people don't want to come to something like this because they say oh, I've already done that You know, I already know all that stuff I don't but I think even people with straw bale houses and windmills and goats and I apologize if any of you have and all those things but You know, there's something that everyone can do to take a step along the path So the question is what can you do today? That's the easiest way to focus is what can I start doing now? You know, it's it's daunting to look way in the future and say oh my god I have so much to do but what can you do now and what's holding you back? Next slide, please So before we get into that and I'll introduce Steve I want to talk about what's holding a lot of people back I think that a lot of people really are not tuning in to this discussion because Because they feel guilty about it They hear they see all the things that some people are doing and they're really impressive and they I could never possibly do that and I You know, yes, I drive my car to work and You know, it's so easy to to disengage because you it it reminds you of all the things that you're not doing So, you know, it doesn't sound like fun And I think it's important that it that it does sound like fun because it can be but you know I would much rather be outside on a beautiful beautiful Saturday afternoon and be at a conference talking about my moral responsibilities So next slide I think that you know, that's one of the advantages to speaking to a faith Community is that The concept of forgiveness And I think that in order to move forward we need to forgive ourselves And we need to be forgiven for not doing all we can for doing things that are detrimental And I was I'm a Lutheran and Confession and absolution forgiveness is real right there in our DNA and I I was a little concerned You know that this isn't just a Lutheran or Christian group, but I did a little googling and I think that You know the idea of being aligned with God is present in all faiths and The you know uncomfortable feeling when you're not aligned with God And I think we have we all have a need for confession repentance and forgiveness so So so we do need to acknowledge our contributions the to the To the state of the world right now, you know it was stated before that it's You know it's definitely fossil fuel companies are not making it easy for us But there are things that we are doing that are not helping and there are things that we're doing that are not Really getting the ball moving so we've done damage to have a comfortable lifestyle We haven't done the things to protect the planet because we didn't we didn't want to we didn't have time for it We couldn't afford it. We didn't have the courage to do it because it would have been politically embarrassing And the things that we've allowed to go on way too long I think that we all you know, I think really recognize that there's So much to do that and we haven't done it and you know, we need to acknowledge that and move forward So next slide So I what I want to do is I want to go through and this is again part of my Lutheran tradition of Confession and forgiveness So I but I again, I think it's universal. I want to start now by Having us you know look inside and and confess some of the things that you have done or things that you have not done That have not helped the world And if you would be willing to share some of those that would be great If you might just ponder it in your heart that would be great too, but let's have just a moment of Confession for the things that we have done or left undone And I want to say I don't ride my bike to work even though I could I could very easily ride my bike to work And I don't and I feel bad about that So anyone else that has anything to Yeah, she goes on cruises even though she knows that the Very polluting Shirley Did you? I'm sorry. Oh, hello The bike, okay Single occupancy vehicle on the road that enjoys going long distances and fossil fuel vehicles Pampers. Oh my god There's someone over there Mom Get that off your get that off your chest. That's great Yeah Mm-hmm. So anyone else that has something they want to get off their chests And your hearts are verbally so next slide So I would say that you know it again according to my Lutheran tradition at least We don't deserve this gift that has been given to us yet There's nothing that we can do that would be so wonderful that we would deserve Such a beautiful garden that has been planted for us that next slide But fortunately Again part of our trade faith tradition God loves us and God does not want us to suffer God is merciful and once our lives aligned even more than we do So even though we don't deserve it God has mercy and forgives each and every one of us for all of our excesses and weaknesses so next slide So you are hereby forgiven everyone here if I don't know if I have the authority to do that but To the extent that I am with authorized. I'm doing that And so we're redeemed the slate is wiped clean and we are born anew and I had to have some pictures of my family They're just kind of showing You know new life kind of So we can move forward You know, we've removed the blocks from our our shoulders We can move forward and rededicate ourselves To rebuilding the planet healing the planet and there's something that I think we need to do every day You know when you get up in the morning say, you know, oh yesterday I didn't ride my bike again And I feel really bad about that, but I'm forgiven and I'm moving forward. So maybe I'm gonna ride my bike today Never know it could happen Next slide So you are hereby forgiven this one has some animation so Let's get a move on There's lots of stuff to do. There's There's all kinds of things. These are all pictures from my church LCI of people having fun doing environmentally related things and I want to just tell a short story of I read a article that was saying that people feel like they have no time anymore and That if you look at the data though that people You know have kind of the same amount of time that they've had in the past I don't know if that's quite true, but the But that the things that they do in their leisure time the involvement with our community and so forth Feels a lot more like work than it used to you know in your free time. You're the mayor of Davis or you're the You know, you're on a committee or you're you know, you're doing some data processing for some first cool Davis or You know a lot of so I really want to encourage people to think about things that you can do with a group Things that you can do You know that that really maybe are outside your your Professional careers, you know things like cleaning up highway 13. I know my mom has done that. I think others You know, there's a lot of things to do out there and especially when you do it with a group it can be fun So one more So let's have some fun One thing I want to say before we move on the upper right-hand corner is I think the queen of having fun A lot of you knew Dina biscotti was a real a real champion of of efficiency and Responsibility for the planet, but also a very big proponent of fun so and and she died last year, so We all really miss her she would be here today if if she were here, and I know she would be having some fun, too So with that, I think I can hand it over to Steve introducing Steve Nyholm Hey everybody and thank you for Kristen for that that wonderful lead-in to our workshop and Really really excited to work with you on this project and getting to know the important work that you do It's really valuable. Can everybody hear me in the back? I'm trying to project. It's yeah. Good enough. Okay So I'm gonna start off. I'm actually gonna break from our presentations It's my desktop my computer and that's a picture of Myself my wife and our two girls that was this summer right now. They're they're two and Excuse me a second. I don't have a human moment right now two and four and a half it Makes me cry honestly the stuff that Kathleen Dean Moore was saying about the children growing up and You know the possibility of a bleak future. I know this is a fun talk But making it fun, but this is I thought bringing some some real human life, too. It would be good, too and And the thought of like what she said of ocean levels rising and people from the cities like coming out here and You know the angry mobs and people like maybe we can't grow up here food in California anymore So do we need to migrate north to Oregon? And what are they gonna do when we show up? and is that the world that The my girls are gonna have to live in it just It breaks me down every day. I think about it every day and I'm always thinking about what can I do? What can our community do what can our society do to to change that trajectory? So that our children don't have to go through that or to prepare them if it does So let's go on to the next slide and I'll try to bring more fun into it Okay, so we have a few examples of Places in town where people have made very significant strides towards the goal of reducing our impact on on the planet so go ahead and go to the next slide and This is the home of Alan Pryor Leader of Sierra Club and he's done a lot of really amazing things. He he got solar on his house and Solar hot water heaters. So all of us hot. I think all of us hot water. I know that all of his electricity Comes from the solar And then he started reducing his consumption and he reduced it down to the point where he was giving a lot back to PG So he said I don't want to do that. Let me get an electric car and then I'll start getting my my transportation off the grid too so he got a car and So you can see some of these pictures here. He has extensive gardening. He grows a lot of his own food So he's he's reducing his impact on the agriculture system that way and he has some zero escaping in the front To help, you know the water and the drought and everybody I don't have to say much more about water We're all pretty scared of that And a whole house fan is a really effective thing to do. Let's go ahead and go to the next slide I have some friends live in Village Homes and in their house I was blown away because I went to visit them and it was in the summer and it was a really hot day but it was cool inside their house and They they don't use an air conditioner They don't use coolers. They don't use an air conditioner. They don't do anything their house is built to use passive energies and It was designed from the ground up To be able to do that. They don't use their conditioner They use limited heater in the winter time sometimes they they confess they use a space heater in one room if they need to Other than that, that's it. No, you said they run it one day a year to make sure that it isn't broken and that's it and I thought it was really amazing and how do they do it? It's a southern orientation capturing that the winter south suns It comes in on a different angle They have the the big huge water tanks. They're like big metal culverts 15 feet tall and that thermal mass captures the solar Solar heat gain and They have thicker walls. They have a greenhouse on that side of the house They can just open the window where the greenhouse is and let some of the greenhouse heat come in the house and And they said that actually it works in reverse in the summertime too. The greenhouse is a trick or thing in the summer That's a long topic. I won't go into that But it's I was amazed they know like for us our our energy our home energy use is the HVAC Heater and air conditioner and if we could get off of those We would be net zero with like one panel one solar panel. It's it's that's a big one. Let's go ahead and go to the next slide Park v. Place. I just got aware of this recently. It's kind of across the street from farmers market and it was a Community I'm probably going to describe it wrong kind of a cooperative community for seniors in town a bunch of people got together and they had a goal of making it net zero energy and Net zero energy if somebody doesn't know what that means that means that the energy that you produce on site is More than the energy you use on site so their their electric they produce more the goal was to produce more than they use and They also use some passive solar techniques and some active solar techniques Of course lighting like LED lights and things like that too. Let's go ahead and go to the next slide Here's a they have a really nice they have a website about their their place And they have it this this diagram online and it talks about the systems They're using with the PV photovoltaics electric night sky cooling solar thermal Radiant floors is another really valuable technique Heat pumps Let's go ahead and go to the next one And then a lot of people know about indigo architecture. They they just rebuilt the Dairy Queen and made it much more energy efficient and those are you're looking at straw bale walls right there and They they did put Radiant heating and cooling and the floors lots of lots of tubes that goes through the floors It's concrete floors that there's a lot of mass to hold the heat and the cool and keep it Just it'll keep the temperature stable in there. So that's that's a another great local example of people taking action Towards these goals. Let's go ahead and go to the next slide and And this is our house. This is the Marino and I home house and We're in progress. I like to say that we're all in transition and And for this house, we're we're looking at how can we how can we heat our house and cooler house and create electricity and heat our water and Where's our water come from? How can we save water? Where's our food come from? How can we grow food at our place and all of our waste? Where did our waste go and let's compost as much of that as we can and and repurpose things that we can't so this is it's a Full of permaculture system permacultures that kind of a design approach to to look at what are what does it cost in terms of inputs to live our lifestyle and And also where's our stuff go when we're done with it and how do we reduce our impact? So let's go ahead and go to the next slide so now there's I brought Now everybody can see that I have a lot of stuff scattered around the floor here And I brought a bunch of things I could just hands-on show you how a bunch of things work And I wanted to show easy and cheap things to do so my goal is I think everything up here is under $30 per item So these are things that most people could do. Let's go ahead and go to the next slide So I'll start with energy electricity and natural gas the first one's called a kilowatt, so I have one right here and I bought this down at Ace and if you buy one actually I would recommend you get one from Probably online because there's another model where you can plug it in and it has a cord that goes off of it I was running around the house testing with it this week and it was really hard to read. So what what does this do? This you plug it into the wall here, and then you plug something else into it here, and it tells you how many watts that thing uses So it's a really quick and easy way to measure Yeah, I was telling you about that last night So this is a way if you want to know like how much electricity does this use? and you plug it in and then you know how much does it use and I Have afterward on talking I have a plug here And we can if you want to we can plug stuff in and try it out. It's kind of fun So I plugged in these two light bulbs This one's a 60 watt incandescent and guess what it used 60 watts an hour that was pretty cool if they'd match the number and The measuring thing said it was right and and then this one is an LED bulb For the same kind of 60 watt output and but this one if this says 9.5 watts, but it was 8.9 It was pretty close So that that was that was a big difference And then there's a math problem of like how many watts per hour how many watts in a kilowatt? And then you look at your bill and you're billed by the kilowatts And you can see an impact on you know your PG new bill or whatever and how many What the impact is on your life and it's it's pretty easy math to do I went over it super fast But it is pretty simple Here's another one that's pretty fun and it's I went around the house with this It's an infrared gun and it measures temperature and So you just like pointed at something and it'll tell you what the temperature is on the thing that it's it's looking at so in the summer I went in our house and it was like 80 degrees here and it went on the west side of our house and Everything was 80 and I went to the west side the west wall was 85 degrees and the whole rest of the house was 80 I thought what's going on? So then I went outside and it was over 100 degrees and I tested it and like the ground outside said it was 100 So that looked pretty good. So again like the number matched up. It's the tools working And then I went around the side of the house that west side that was in the afternoon and the Sun was beating down on the house and The outside of the wall was 140 degrees Yeah, it was really hot It's white it's reflective Yeah, and I mean it's just straight on sunlight in the summertime and then I went I crawled underneath the house I poked it down there. It was 65. It felt like I was an air conditioner. It was great So it's this is kind of a fun tool, you know to find out in your house Like where do you have a leak or where which rooms have problems and helped us figure out our bedrooms? always the hottest room in the house because it's the one that's getting the sun shining on it and Then that's something we can fix Now we know what the problem is. I'm a really big believer in you know Look at what's happening around you observe it and measure it and figure it out And when you see it and when you see what the problem is anything the solution kind of becomes obvious Let's go ahead and go to that. Let's see Yeah, oh That's awesome. Yay cool Davis Okay What's that Okay, so Chris Granger just said that cool Davis is buying some of the infrared Heat measuring devices and they're gonna have this in the library for checkout And there's also the kilowatt style electricity measuring devices at the library for checkout. Yeah So just really quickly on my slide here clothes lines are a great cheap way to go Get off your dryer in the summertime My clothes will dry in an hour outside because it's so hot and so the sun's Baking it solar cookers. We're actually going to be kicking off a solar cooking club in april 11th. So How about not cooking all summer long and you have or not using your stove not heating your house with it and use solar cookers And let's just go ahead and move on because I think I have way more stuff to talk about than I have time Oh, sure Leasing solar panels, that's something that we did so I can speak from my experience And we actually ended up that we're There's no money down. So that's that falls in this cheap and it's not easy it's kind of a bit of negotiating and permitting hassle but It's it's cheap because there's no money down and it's a lease where it's a 20 year lease and we pay a fix amount to the solar company and they guarantee the output of our panels And that just reduced our load on the system tremendously Our place our peak year in 2010. We were over 10,000 kilowatt hours with that we've Paid PG&E for and last year our true up came up. That's a every 12 months PG&E says you have solar panels and let's see how you did with it. Do you owe us money? Do we owe you money? and we had used we went from 10,000 a few years ago to 172 last year So we're not net zero because we still used 172 kilowatt hours above which is really a small amount Yeah, we basically hit it. So it's Having solar panels also made us more aware of The time of day we're using electricity and the things we're doing and was like this competition Like hey, can we can we get net zero? What if we stop doing this? What if we stop using the dryer and dry all our clothes outside? And we started doing these things and and seeing the meter run negative. That is really fun That's cool Another question in the back Oh, wow, wow I think West Village doesn't allow clothesline drying Yeah retractable lines Awesome, so for the microphone the comment was that there are some haways that don't allow clothesline drying outside But the conversation seemed to gravitate towards maybe not in Davis, but there were certainly was one in Sacramento If there are some of those that's an institutional barrier and You know, let's try to come together as a community to try to address those those issues and make those changes I noticed that for our workshop We were going to have an interactive part of about half an hour And that would mean my time is up now and I had four other areas to cover So maybe I'll just say the topics and very briefly say some of the the toys are brought with me And if you have more questions about it, I'll be really happy to to show my show off my stuff A little bit later on so for water water such a big issue For us like a success point just to kind of share like that's possible for a family of four we got We were probably like 160 to 250 gallons a month Not counting outside irrigation Before we became aware and we worked really hard at it and we got down to our our best month Which was like three months ago. We got down to 50 gallons for a month or 50 gallons a day That's our was our monthly figure So we're really proud of that and it was a lot of work and here's a bunch of the things we did so went around with Measuring jugs like an empty milk jug and measured the flow rates and we put buckets in the shower to reuse the water Learn how to wash dishes in ways that are more water efficient than dishwashers You have to be careful because if you do it the wrong way, it's way worse than a dishwasher And change the aerators at the sinks things like Take less showers and use a washcloth instead That's a really big difference shorter showers and maybe like have a timer in your shower That was a fun competition of like how how many seconds can I do a shower in? You know my personal best is like two minutes and 15 seconds. I don't have hair A question in the back Another comment Again Awesome for the microphone, there's some shower watering conservation tips in the audience Let's go ahead and go on to the next topic for food I gotta share this one because I think it's really cute It's a it's a pot that I made out of newspaper I folded it up kind of like origami and then I have compost inside of here that I added some Decomposed leaves to it as well. So it made a potting soil and and we're using this to start our seeds this year So it's like really really low impact Growing food personally passionately, I think that that's a huge thing that we all should be doing and It's reduced our carbon footprint and also doesn't contribute to soil degradation and pollution and other issues that come up with larger agriculture Um, I should probably stop there because I could go on and out for a couple hours. Let's go ahead and go to the next slide For waste Composting for me is a huge one. Um a fun one Here's a zero waste party kit that I have and it's just a cloth bag and inside of here I have like Some plastic plates from garage sale and some knives and forks and stuff from a garage sale a kids cup Kids napkins are great because they're cloth and you can wash them And and so I'll take these to a party and then when I'm done I just bring some old bucket and have everybody throw all the food and plates and everything in the bucket Take it home and it's not that much work to wash it and then that that party is generated No, no dishes waste and no food waste. So that was a really simple and easy one to do Here's another one that's really a lot of people don't know about A plastic bottle and there it takes resources to recycle plastic and um One thing you can it's good to recycle and recycling totally proponent of that Another thing you can do is you can make what's called a bottle brick And that's where you stuff it full of the plastic stuff like this that doesn't recycle And you just jam it in there and you jam it in there and if you get enough of in there It gets hard like a brick and you can use it for a building material And people do So that's a little known thing that we could do and not everybody out here is going to go build a cob bench or a cob house and need these Um, but that's it's something to think about like trying to help you think of new ideas Yeah, yeah, there's there's a bench in in davis. That's the compassion bench It's right across from burgers and brew and across from crepeville right next to right across from the Central park or the farmers market is and that was made using this technology So let's go ahead and go to the next one And uh transportation I could just sum it down to like drive slower and ride a bike Um, we we got a Prius and that it told us how many miles per gallon and I realized the slower I drove the better more efficient I was so it's like all right let off the the gas and the brakes and That helped um, and then just you know figured out ways to bike and make it practical for life Yeah, um That's my that's my stuff Oh, um, I also have a bunch of interesting documents. I'd be happy to share if somebody wants to hear more about them We have six years of gas and electric usage data that I have in a spreadsheet It's kind of fun to look at if you're into that kind of thing Um, our true-up bill that I was telling you about I brought um, that's on the computer um A tool that I made in a spreadsheet for how to estimate how much water your yard needs and if you do techniques like catching rainwater off your roof or catching it in earthworks or gray watering and what impact that has on your watering There's ways to quantify it um harvest calendar is neat because it's Looking at what what food you're growing at home and what months you harvest it and you could actually have food all year growing here um And then gasoline spending data and then also this is really big is how much money can you save from switching to a net zero lifestyle and Going off of these systems. You can have some substantial savings Yeah, so i'll switch to Clicking the slides the next part's christen's part exercise now where everybody here is going to develop a plan for your net zero lifestyle Okay, yeah Okay, I am what we're going to do now is that sort of an interactive exercise where we're all going to work on developing our own uh net zero living plan or You know the the pathway that we're going to take to um to To increase our or to decrease our impact on the planet um, I in the interest of time i'm going to focus um on So the first thing you want to do is you want to say where am I you know, what have I done already what you know Pat yourselves on the back and feel good about some of the things that you've spent some time on So what I want you to do is um If there are some pencils coming around so hopefully people have a green handout and some pencils and The the second and third pages of this handout Are a list of things that you might do and they are is taken very Pretty directly from the cool davis checklist that chris mentioned earlier Although it's um, I have changed things a little bit But what I want everyone to do is Kind of go through this list a little bit and maybe we can have the lights back on back up Or do you know how to Oh, okay Everyone have a pencil Does everyone have a pencil Where's the box? Okay, so mark off you look through the list a little bit and mark off some of the things that you've you've already done Does everyone have pencils now? So I don't think we're going to have time to completely go through this whole exercise, but let's You know at least get a start on on some of these things um What I want you to do now is On the first page there's a description of some categories that some of these these actions might fall into And so I want you to um, you know when you go home, maybe you know do this it more thoroughly, but Take a look at at the list and mark off at least one thing. You know that looks fun You write the word fun in the uh interesting opportunity category and of course you can have more than one Uh in each category So, you know, if you just kind of go through this and you know, I think you know skateboarding and roller skates that sounds fun I think it might kill me, but it sounds fun um So, you know just go through and and identify those which ones look easy No brainers Let's figure out some of those Which ones sounds social like I've said before that if you do things with other people it Makes it much much more fun You know, is there something that you could get together with a neighbor and you could do it together Or you could have a little competition with your neighbor, maybe um Maybe you've done something already and you can tell your neighbors about it or tell other people in davis write a letter to the editor of the enterprise or um, you know Learn from get take something from your experience and share it with other people um Your neighbor So what's something that one of your neighbors has done that you've Kind of been curious about maybe um, wondering, you know, how hard is that, you know, what What was involved in doing it? How well is it worked out? You'll go and talk to your neighbor about that What's the thing that you feel the most guilty about not doing Let's put that on the list. I mean we'll if if it's going to stress you out though Don't put it on the list Um, but something that you know, you think if you do it it might actually make you feel better Which one do you think telling people telling your mother about would make her proud of you? And my mother is right here, so I can We'll talk later What's one thing that will get your your uncle rodney who's a climate denier really irritated when you tell them all about your your vermiculture and your um Um Which is the one that you think all your neighbors are going to really admire you if they see that you're doing it or your co-workers or your your kids friends parents or You know, which one do you think would give you a feeling of of Yes, I've accomplished something that you have not Um Which ones that sound like a challenge that you might be up to Maybe you're not but you know, it it sounds like something that you could maybe you know It's a little intimidating But it's something that maybe you could you would feel really good about yourself if you if you accomplished that What's something that maybe sounds daunting, but you can try it at least once You know, you don't have to commit to doing it forever, but is there something that um, you could try once Skateboarding something like that Uh, maybe mark one that looks like it would be quite expensive, but it meets some of your other criteria so you might be worth looking into ways of financing or um, you're looking at the The benefits that you'll get from energy savings and so forth and see if that might offset the expense You know, if they if they Meet your other criteria. They're fun. They make your mother proud and so forth. So They might be it might be worth doing And then finally, uh, once it sound hard, but they meet your other criteria. So You should maybe look at it and see if it's something that you could do So when you get home, you know, go through this list in a little bit more detail it and you know mark off all the ones that um That following these categories And then what I want you to do is the ones that have codes next to them You know, I I think for a lot of people something just jumps off the page at you and you say wow I had I never thought about that. But yeah, that would that would tick off my uncle Rodney The um You know things that you might not have thought about but something that that kind of jumps out at you and says Yeah, maybe I could do that Maybe pick I three of them And then for each one of those what is something that you could do tomorrow Not, you know next summer or next winter, but Is there something you could do tomorrow? Maybe starting to look into what you know, what's a good efficiency for a refrigerator? or you're starting to learn something or Ask you're writing off for some information about something or going to the the appliance store Researching it, you know, what is something that you can do tomorrow? And then finally, uh, can you pledge to do that tomorrow? Anyone have anything that they put on their list of of things that they can do tomorrow that they can pledge to do What's that a light timer? Great So we've got a light a light timer and smart strips for appliances Anyone else have anything that their led bulbs going to go to the hardware store tomorrow Today, all right Pardon me You're gonna replace your toilet tomorrow That's awesome. All right And then um, I I want you to you know, if you're so inspired put these things up on your refrigerator Check them off when you do them You'll feel good about seeing all those things checked off and And I would say once you've done some things Go back and look at the list and pick some more That you think that you can do right away and I think you'll find, you know, I think steve is a a great example that You know, if you if we're forcing people to do this and they really don't want to do it It's probably going to be really hard But if you're excited about this stuff and you're kind of an energy geek like I think we are And some of you may be You know, this stuff can be really fun and and it can be a challenge that you that you really want to take You know, I for me it's it's getting through the The day in the summer without turning on my air conditioner like, you know, how long can I go and how is it cool outside yet? No, it's not but um So, you know, making little challenges for yourself actually can be, you know, if it's something you're interested in It's not a burden. It's fun Um, so and you will never know that until you try So I I want to thank everyone for being here and I really want to encourage you to To fill this out and put on your refrigerator. Who's going to put on their refrigerator? All right, cool And I have um on the front here I have I put my email address and I hope steve doesn't mind I put his email address Let us know how it's going. Let us know if you've done something to follow up on on some of these ideas. I think um It'd be great to share some of these stories Yeah, so I don't use my car much and I'm thinking that it's just not having a car To people know how well There was a question that uh, someone was is interested in getting rid of his car and he wants to know if if some of the alternatives are reliable Uber is works Just Great So there's another workshop that's going to have some more information Um, there was a thought that uber is more sacramento based and might not be as reliable in davis So there's some efforts underway to to look at a holistic way at the transportation needs of the community including things like uber and lift Jim, did you And so we because of the time of use thing we don't pay any money at pg&e, but we're still using Electricity and if we put more panels on so that we don't use electricity, we're subsidizing pg&e What is the prospect of getting the What's the theory or whatever so that we get reimbursed for generating electricity? It's a it's a difficult policy question because the utilities, you know They've invested a lot in the in the running wires to your house and the transformers to serve it and the generators So on that one hot day when you when you're maybe your solar's not working that day And so you do need you know to fire up all your air conditioners Everything has to be in place for that one hour Um, you know, I I agree with you It seems it seems crazy to um to have to do that But I think another thing to look at is um There are policies that are asking utilities to use more Renewable energy to to generate the electricity so um I think I Joe do you know anything about the policies? If you produce more than you use PG&e now does pay you back But if you have to generate More kilowatt hours than you use so it's not zero in cost. It's zero in energy But they only pay you back in four cents a kilowatt hour, which is A quarter maybe of what you're actually paying. So they're being very resistant to doing it. Um, so I think you know If you go solar, you're you're doing it for the good of the environment And there should be better public policy if the city goes community choice With that There were let me just say for the recording that there were um comments made that there are um There are some things in the works in davis looking at a municipal utility or a community solar facility or um, Forget what the first one was but that Choice aggregation. Yeah, that will um That will allow us to come up with more equitable and more maybe reasonable rules for how all all this happens So that we can get the most savings possible Chris In the meantime Do some community building Share with your neighbors And because they'll start to learn what you're saving and what your access is doing Fallon prior, if you know him as a great example of this Over the last several years he's been a lot of sharing, especially with neighbors who lost a job And we needed extra supplement You know, what's that extra supplement to their income life covering a little part of their life And one thing I want to say is I'm a I work for the university I'm part of the energy cluster that that joe works with and I I've seen some studies that show that the number one thing that correlates with people installing solar Is if they have a neighbor that has installed solar So, you know number one talk to your neighbors see see what their experience is like a number two if you have solar Talk to your neighbors and tell them how great it is and um, you know Help them get over the hump to actually do something Through through a particular vendor If you put in solar with that vendor that you get a $750 rebate They guarantee that you'll save money and the cr club itself gets $750 And that's been a big help in terms of our being able to work on other environments. Great So comment was made that the cr club has a program where you will get money back from participating vendors of solar systems and money actually also goes to the the cr club That's great. I don't know if we need to wrap up. Um, I don't see anyone breathing down our necks, but Um, what time is this session supposed to be over? A two Oh, next one starts at two Okay, um I any maybe one last question or comment Um Yeah So The comment was made that it's um, the idea of putting in solar is more difficult in rental housing That the owner doesn't have a lot of motivation to do that and maybe there's some policy Um motivators that we can have to to encourage that Um, it's also I know the people that have done it. It's it's sometimes difficult figuring out who pays what and the You know exactly how it works Contractually and things like that can be kind of complicated, but it's I think it's something that's going to happen a lot more in the future And it's worth figuring out Um, how we can do it, you know, I'm sure that's going to be part of the um davis's, you know net zero Um planning to to look at things like that. So So there's a bunch of toys here. I don't know what we're supposed to do next, but um come look at the toys and Definitely send us an email. I want to hear about all your success because then I'll feel like I'm partially responsible for it Thank you