 Working with that working with the fact that this is the raid movie was so big and Jamie was so big from the raid movie And people really realized this man had that gifted voice like that and so my relationship with him already from slow jams Man like you one of those guys I really can't get away from the fact of All of these Grammys man and all these I've seen you you know, I've seen when Nick Cannon and you was talking That's out there a lot of levels and layers to that and that's why I think I'll get the right for so many artists You know, I mean we worked on a song before Worked with Kanye working with rock, you know different things man like like how did it feel to receive your first Grammy? I don't know. I don't I don't know if I had an enjoy did you the understanding? I don't have an understanding of what that meant. Yeah Because that was not something that that was aspirational in my city You know, that was something for them other niggas. You know saying we keep it real over here type bullshit not understand This is entertainment game. You know not understanding that this is entertainment. They get like we like we got to keep it real We got to be authentic. You know saying we can't fuck with nothing and we now understanding that we've been growing up looking at motherfucking James bond who not a real person the actors a real person, but James bond not a real and we going through the ups and downs James bond he in space he getting shot up. He got a bad bitch. He driving a car in the water This entertainment we living and dying with this motherfuckers entertainment. That's real they get Billionaire rich and we sitting here trying to sell some dope. Yeah, so we can take care of everybody. Yeah, not smart Yeah, but so I didn't understand Grammys and maybe it was a little bit embarrassed to have one Wow, maybe it embarrassed. Yeah, maybe a little bit embarrassed. Maybe feel like I Maybe um had had gone Hollywood in myself since I'm yeah more You know smoked mirrors cardboard plastic water and lights than it was concrete, you know Base level foundation on me. What was the first? What was that song that got you that great? That was um, I Think all of the lights. Maybe no, I don't know. I can't remember the first Maybe it was all the lights or maybe it was a Crack music made me Wow, maybe it's cracking music. Yeah, I think it's crack music so many Grammys You know platinum, you know songs, you know, you know, yeah, I interviewed mr. Lee He got 30 something maybe 40 himself, you know, like it's like you guys are I'm saying I deal with some people who I thank God for you guys man Cuz that's culture. It's awesome. I'm saying so but and without it, you know, I'm saying these good moments these moments We enjoy I mean you talk a lot about these moments a lot of time music music most of the time stimulates a lot of these enjoyable moments Mm-hmm, so I want to say thank you, you know, thank you. I gotta thank you You know what I'm saying you got a favorite, bro. Yeah, you gotta ask that You got a favorite song bro. I mean it's story, right? It's layered There's a whole bunch of variables involved in that the favorite song I felt the most vindication from all the lights Yeah, because I fought really hard for that, but also I fought very hard for gold digger To be the single also bought very hard for good life Hold on, hold on I want you to go back to all of the life. Just give me you're not gonna just say these songs Details on how you even end up producing that and how you even you know Give us the details in order for our people our listeners to understand how they came about. That's the history my production on All the lights was you know, honestly, you know me trying to make the song um Viable enough for Kanye to like it For the album and to maybe be the single that song was one of my favorites though Yeah, so that one right there I feel the most connected to because there was a lot of fights. Okay Had Elton John sitting next to me like you sitting next to me playing keys and trying to come up with melodies and trying to come up with Shit and my biggest production on that was not just working with Elton John on the keyboards and Jeff another name We're just dropping just Elton John big man. Yeah. How do you just have Elton John in your suit? Well, Elton John came with Mr. Hudson who Kanye signed who wound up doing a song with me called here. She comes again And he also wound up doing forever young with hope So while he was in the states, he did a bunch of songs. I never knew that Oh That's my still my man to this day, you know, I'm kind of I got like a lot of clout in London You know I'm saying and um, so but really I think my biggest contribution to all the lights outside of you know Writing in and stuff like that was what I took away from the song. Okay That's also a production for everybody out there just to know Production is also what you take away what you take away I agree with that. So I took away the Muhammad Ali sample that Kanye had in there the champ is here Boom, boom, boom. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I'm a Muslim from Chicago grew up Idolizing my of course, of course, you know, my DJ partner You know Mustafa rocks is on the front page of the paper for punching Muhammad Ali in the nose He'll be a little bitty boy Man, I'm not like this and he punching them in the nose love. So we you know All black people he's the most interesting person in the world for a very long time so we took that sample out and it It hurt to take the sample of Muhammad Ali's voice out because I had the opportunity to meet him several times and even in My adult life to meet him. That's me this daughter We's at the Beverly Hilton hotel having breakfast and Taking that sample out because it was a part of my life I felt like there was in that sample the champ is here. Boom. Boom. Boom. So I was trying to write The I was trying to write the hook around that sample, you know, so I'm saying a bunch of stuff Was he in the wind? Yeah. Yeah, just win. Go ahead So I'm trying to write around that sample and it's not working and I can't master it I can't hit it. I got some cold since you know, that's cold But it wasn't what it needed to be and not the spirit letting me know that's not it's not there yet Yeah, all this makes sense You know the champ is here Unless it was cool, but that wasn't what the song needs to be So understanding that I had the engineer Andrew Removed the sample. Okay Though it hurt it was painful to me It also opened the song up and let me have a different train of thought. So that's how we get to the to the Horns but the horns was probably like the horns was there because it was called ghetto university The song is called ghetto university. Yeah, and then when I came with the all of the lights But I gotta have that kind of has like a rocky feel to it. Yes, it does like Triumph, that's what I'm saying. I was trying to I was going to the directly I was too old. I was too on the nose of triumph and Fighting and what the champion is and we already had a song You are champion Yeah, I picked it up and bought it back to the creek right so we had that song already and I'm trying to make another one Okay, that wasn't what the spirit wanted spirit wanted that all the lights Next one you had mentioned was crazy. What was the next one you mentioned? Gold I said gold it was a big one. Yeah. It was a big one. It was a big one for for Kanye Yes, it was it helped. She ain't looking for no what what? And they was Jamie that I believe that pretty much pulled him out of a shell. No opened up everything for him No, it's not a dollar dollar contradiction like like so, how was it even coming up with that? You know and playing your part in that. Yeah, just working with that working with the fact that this The Ray movie was so big and Jamie was so big from the Ray movie and people really realized and this man had that gifted voice like that and So my relationship with him already from slow jams Yeah, yeah sure was sure was with Jamie and didn't want one of the stones from Chicago Tayshawn buried His daddy is Reverend TL buried that we got later on got a song from the father stretch come from him and Me and me and T. Sean we close brothers. We've been in place together and all that shit so He was living with Jamie him and all them niggas. They was living over there doing comedy acting Commercials and shit. Yeah. Yeah. So Jamie was them was our man Okay, you know and Brandy as well people don't stand our relationship with Brandy early on we'd be at her house almost every day Crazy she would cook food. That's what she was married to do. Yeah. Yeah, she would cook food and shit So all these relationships in 2002 2003 Were we're formulating right and that's how we got that that's slow jams. Yeah I'm gonna have to play this all night Shout out the in here the reason you see