 Hi everyone. Welcome. Good morning. Very good morning to you all. I hope you all are doing well. Yeah, thanks for joining in. Hi, Simran. Hi, Charles. Hi, Kennedy. Hello. I've been asked. Hi, Asha. Hi, Tharon. Hi, Kishan. Thanks for joining in, guys. Yeah, let's get started. Can I request one of us to please start us off with a word of prayer? Go on down there. Anyone, please pray. Let's pray. Dave and the father, we thank you so much for this wonderful time that you have allowed us to meet together again for this week. Lord, we are praising you that for this course we will be completing two complete months. Lord, this week. Lord, we praise you for the work that you have brought us. And now, as we set ourselves, Lord, you pray that will give us the spirit of contentment that will be contented and ready to learn that all would be ready for us that whatever you have planned for us to get from this course be able to build the ministry that you have appointed us to do on this earth for the glory of your name and the good of your people in Jesus' name we proudly believe. Amen. Thank you so much. Hi, guys. Hi again. I hope you all are doing well and having a good week so far and you've been able to learn a lot of things in your final this semester so far. Okay, so just very quickly let's go through what we've covered in the last chapter. We started off in chapter 4, the worship ministry and looking more specifically at the organizational aspect of it, how the worship ministry is organized at ABC to be more specific. So we looked at how it's the senior pastor and under the supervision of the senior pastor is the worship pastor and under the supervision of the worship pastor there are multiple teams like the band and the sound team, the media team the singers etc. And we very briefly let's quickly recap the seven roles of the worship pastor. The seven roles of the worship pastor the first one is the worship pastor as a priest. He's a bridge builder he's the connector and the worship pastor as a prophet and we are encouraged to declare over our team all the people that you are leading and a worship pastor as a teacher that's the third role and worship pastor as a pastor itself is that you are shepherding your flock you're leading them you're guiding them. Worship pastor as an intercessor, as a mentor as an administrator finally right that's what we looked at. Just a quick reminder that leading a worship ministry is very different from worship leading and if we can get that remember that then you've understood 50% of worship ministry. worship ministry is leading a worship ministry is not the same as leading worship and then when you dive in a little bit more and you see what are the roles of the worship pastor and you get to see all these seven things then you begin to understand that there's more to it than just leading worship in a Sunday morning right and this is not an exhaustive list this is just some of the points that's been that we put together as a team but yeah so there we have it and we very briefly also spoke about rehearsals the difference between practice and rehearsal that practice is personal is what's something that you practice at home the song list is sent you work on the songs and rehearsal is something that you do is relational when you get together as a band in a studio and then you work on the song or the entire set list you plan the transitions the flow of the songs everything to be specific and how you need to encourage one another to be skillful to push one another to be skillful in your strengths your major instrument per se and in page 45 we looked at some of the skills of a worship leader is expected to have some of the skills of a worship leader is effective musical skill organization and preparation experience practice worship ability relational ability calling character intuition natural gifting God's grace all of these are expected skills that the worship leader is expected to have and along with that if you are the ministry leader if you are the senior pastor and you are the worship pastor and you are you know getting worship leaders into your team some of the questions that you need to be asking is look is seen in page 46 of the notes some of the questions that you can ask is are they humble do they have a vibrant secret life with God are they able to take direction correction and the list goes on are they skilled are they loving gentle generous etc etc so those are all the pointers you know that it's good for us to look at right and I hope that's clear so far with everything that we've covered okay so now we continue to look move on from page 47 in this chapter 4 of the organizational aspect of the worship ministry okay page 47 um we begin to talk about auditions right auditions um how many of you understand what an audition is you understand what an audition is you you've seen all these famous uh American Idol and all these shows reality shows that's the what I was looking for right and they have auditions for it so we cannot have a basic understanding an idea of what an audition is right yes no maybe yeah and so a very simple question to all of us is why would you say having an audition for those who want to join the worship team is important why why is an audition important do you agree do you disagree would you have an audition in your church if you were the worship pastor if not why so okay yes it's important well okay it's quite a few yeses what a uh why is it important yeah sorry go ahead so it's like it's not just about your will to do work you should have the talent and skill also and how much you are dedicated to that talent like we we learned about uh practice and rehearsal and sharpening your skills so along with the will to worship along with the will to worship the lord you should have that talent also because you're leading the entire congregation and that skill has to be sharpened as well as your submission to the lord and your submission to the um team and everything needs to be in place right yeah thank you for sharing that um anything else why uh why is it important uh why auditions are important what happens when you uh say you don't have a process like an audition in a local church and you just put up um a sign board saying everyone anyone who wants to join the worship team uh you are welcome to join um so that is a process without an audition so what happens then yes sir you go ahead thank you master so when there's no process you're just welcoming this order and you're going to get people who are not fully committed you just get people who want to just try it out and um may not stay too long and it just becomes cumbersome it becomes a burden on whoever is leading so having a process basically helps to screen out vet out those who really are serious and who are really going to stay you know to serve in the worship team and that way also you'll be able to show their strength and at least not fully but at least just from questioning and interviewing them knowing their background and not just even build the ability to sing you also want to know the person right um at least the first contact will give some um bird view of where they stand spiritually and how you see them you know try doing the worship team so the process is really important you really want a serious and formidable and good worship team that would last yeah yeah thank you thank you for that wonderful insight um yes we're just getting to know the person uh in addition to their gifts and um and their talents what not right it's important um now Paul Belosch one of the worship leaders uh we might all know who Paul Belosch is right so he says this he said it is easy to add to a team than to undo a team right um say that again it is easy to add to a team than to undo a team what does that mean so when you don't have a process like audition and when you just put up a sign board say anyone who wants to come join the worship team you're welcome to join you're adding to the team and that seems very easy and then you realize okay yes you know there are certain challenges character challenges attitude challenges skill challenges with a certain individual and as we discussed last class musicians are very sensitive people right and uh you know asking them or telling them that hey we can't have you on the team any longer because of so and so uh it's it's hard isn't it you're undoing a team then things can get awkward uh you know I mean you will end up doing making decisions you have to do it but then uh it just becomes awkward uh right and it's quite challenging that person might get offended or bitter and leave the church if they are not mature enough to handle the situation etc etc right um um so and I mean I think we can kind of conclude um it doesn't matter the size of the church it absolutely doesn't matter right um but having a process uh not sure if I should say a filtering process but having a process in general uh you know to be sure who you're adding to the team is very very essential is very important and so that is why we hold auditions so uh some of the pointers that's been mentioned in the notes are have a focus point for people to connect with worship ministry so that's the first thing right you're having an audition so that's like a touch point right uh in the it world if you're in the app thing we talk about different touch points of different customers okay hey then they land here that's their first touch point of the app or the product and whatnot right so for people for the congregation uh auditions can be one of those focus points where they can get connected to the worship ministry and you know in worship ministry they get connected to the worship pastor worship coordinator worship administrator etc right um why we hold auditions to add people to the worship team we need to grow right we want our team to grow that's another reason we can't remain uh you know the same size where we are sometimes come in and sometimes people move on and that happens quite a lot at apc where um sometimes people you know three of um of our worship leaders went on to study in different country and all of a sudden we are three worship leaders short and so we hold the auditions to add people to the team so we can grow as a team right um to increase the level of musical presentation of your music um to provide a consistent common and helpful method for growing worship ministry personnel right to provide a consistent common and helpful method right uh to give away and expand ministry as we uh you know uh as I mentioned so the current audition process at apc and I'm I'll take you through it in detail uh you know in just a minute but uh when we're looking at page 47 so the current audition uh process at apc worship worshiping auditions will be held uh once or twice a year based on the requirements uh and you know during the time we did not have uh we did not hold auditions for obvious reasons right uh prior to the audition there will be pre-audition meeting where those interested in auditioning can be briefed on the vision goals of worship ministry okay so before the audition itself let's say for example today uh the coming Sunday what's the coming Sunday is October 2nd right so let's say October 2nd Sunday October 2nd is the audition day uh the previous Sunday that is September 25th uh will be a pre-audition meeting where everyone who's registered for the audition uh we know we will meet with them we will take them through the process we will tell them this is how the audition is going to be the time and the place uh you know what is expected etc just to ease into it so that they are they don't just show up on the audition day and uh and are very nervous because generally people are nervous during the audition process but uh to make it as comfortable and convenient and easy uh as possible for them you get to know them in the pre-audition meet and you tell them hey it's okay you know there's nothing much to worry about just take it easy learn the songs that's the pre-audition meet and then we have the audition itself okay um so let me just share the screen of one of the documents that I wanted to share um okay um hope you can all see okay so a couple of things that what we do is when we uh you know we we make a video announcement uh during the service saying that we're going to have worship team auditions on the 2nd October at least a month in advance and we you know share with them the registration link to the form where they can register um a couple of uh expectations that we have from the people is they must be 18 and above because until then they you know parents are what do I say um I don't want to use the word paranoid but the parents are particular about their kids doing well in their exams right the board exams and 16 to 18 and whatnot and also so from 18 onwards not that life becomes easy but uh that's the process so 18 um they should be attending apc for at least um the three months in the last three months um you know that's the couple of things okay so when they um when they fill in the registration form what we do is um this is the email that we send out uh we say hey uh thanks for coming forward to audition um to serve in the worship team blah blah blah you know please come prepared we send out the list of songs uh to everyone who registered for the auditions so we say okay please come prepared with the songs that are listed in the category categories for which you have applied for so now they they could have registered for singing male or singing you know female girls um they might have registered for acoustic guitar electric guitar bass guitar and keyboard and drums of course okay and if you notice so uh we send um the name of the song the key in which they can prepare the song or learn the song in come and we also send the youtube link okay so uh you know they come prepared with specific songs so audition here is not like saying okay we're going to have worship team auditions come and sing whatever you want to sing uh we don't do that we uh we make it more simple actually we ask them to learn only two songs and sometimes we might ask them to sing only one song um you know and uh on the day of the audition you know just to push them a little bit more we'll check with them hey can you sing the song in a higher key or a lower key uh etc um can you sing harmony you know that's pushing it but then you know like to do that so that's what we do so we send out the list of songs as you can see and uh okay and I'm just going a little slow so that you can take a look I hope you don't mind and then we go into the details we say we will have auditions after the service at apc central uh by around 12 30 p.m uh please come prepared and stay back for a couple of hours especially if you're auditioning in multiple categories so there will be an individual who've registered for say drums and keyboard right so we have to figure out okay so you know how you can how we can fit that in so maybe he can audition first for keyboards and then go and audition for drums um right so we inform them about that as well uh and some of the highlighters and pointers that we send out is if you're auditioning for playing an instrument please learn your parts and all the songs listed under your category uh don't overplay underplay there will be an accompaniment track that you will be asked to play along with so if they're auditioning for drums for example we will play a track minus the drums that means everything else in that song will be heard but we will take off the drums so that the individual will play the drums and so those who are also um listening or taking the audition so evaluating whatever you want to call it can hear what exactly the person is playing okay um and there are some of the criteria that we would be looking into so we give them everything like everything what we are looking for in them while they're auditioning we look for song knowledge detailing uh how well do they know the song or they're just going with the flow uh you know do they know the song structures really well dynamics uh you know dynamic in music is pretty big okay we're not going to talk a lot about it uh you know the dynamics is a spectrum music dynamics is loud and softness in music and everything that happens in between of that so are they just playing loud throughout the song just playing soft through the song or is there a beautiful balance of they know when to play a little loud or increase the volume or and pull back when necessary and all of that goes into translating how well they know the song the knowledge of the song right timing uh timing is a big deal in music keeping time um I always uh this is this little personal thing but you know my mom can't sing in time she can sing in pitch you know or during our prayer times family prayer and what not oh gosh ma how many times I lost the number of times I said ma keep time please keep time you know I can't play um so timing is very important to check if they are able to play you know in time and technique the knowledge of the instrument tone selection clarity in playing this is another thing I apologize if there's if you're talking quite a lot about these things but welcome to worship ministry okay all of these are something that we have to look for technique of uh say how well do they know their instrument right for example if you're going to talk about acoustic guitar if a person auditioning for acoustic guitar uh like do they know their instrument really well right or do they do they tune beginning basis basic is do they know to tune the guitar right uh do they know how to play a certain chords uh you know et cetera et cetera uh and then we go a little bit more deeper into uh tone selection like though do they know how they want their instrument to sound do they have certain uh specific gadgets uh that you know that helps them in their playing so all of these are little details guys so we send it all out to them okay um and uh what else you can bring your we tell them you can they can bring their own instrument processes guitar processes gadgets uh because they would be comfortable uh with their own instrument we we offer our instruments but then uh sometimes they are you know comfortable with playing their guitar what not right um so we tell them that and if you're auditioning for singing um we also say please learn the songs listed under your category uh you can bring the song words uh we don't expect them to sing out of memory they can take a print out of a song or on the phone no problem uh because they're already nervous we don't want to make them more nervous by sing you have to sing it by memory uh right when we are leading worship we look at the monitor for lyrics we have ipads so you know it's cool uh there will be a metronome playing to keep time metronome is the device that kind of keeps uh time you know that gives uh a recurring pulse so to say so um okay so we we play the click and then someone play there will be another person if a person does not know to play an acoustic guitar while singing this is for singers keep in mind okay when we are auditioning for singers and most of the time uh you will hear uh i'm only a singer i don't know to play an instrument right uh you will come across them quite a bit like i can't play a guitar or a keyboard uh what not so we tell them don't worry we will have a person who will accompany you with the guitar or a keyboard you know to help you sing the song so we arrange for that uh and also some of the pointers that are shared with them are this these are some of the criterias that would be looked into uh the tone of their voice uh dynamics again singing loud singing soft at the right places are they able to balance pitch uh you know if we can kind of you know manage if the tone and dynamics are not great but then if the pitch is not great then uh yeah kind of sing the right notes important uh timing once again important harmony ability to sing uh in parts uh it's not a must but then it's another uh it's an added benefit that we look for so if they're able to sing in harmony and diction uh this is very crucial uh i mean as in we don't expect perfection again here but then you know at least in india we have uh what we would call as first language influences right we all come from so many different backgrounds uh we are rich uh in cultures that way isn't it uh and with that i mean what we would call it as mother tongue influence is actually first language in influences there will be a certain words that are pronounced differently in a different language that can rub off or shown in uh when you're singing in your singing um again that's not like you know very very crucial but it is crucial it is important um you know we we we we make sure you know they pronounce the words right and what okay so uh we let them know that these are all the criterias okay so above mentioned criteria is just to help you prepare uh cover these aspects learn the song well and just enjoy yourself so all of this is one email guys okay right so you can imagine right by the time the person starts the email and comes to the end of it wow okay um but again we the whole idea is not to overwhelm them uh the intention is not that and through the process we are in contact with the individuals who audition who have registered for the audition and uh just providing them with any kind of help that they want uh making them feel as comfortable as possible letting them know that we are there for them and this is not some kind of an exam thing that you know we are longing to put them down if they don't do well or some sort uh the point is we you know we let them know that hey we we are so excited that they are auditioning uh and making them feel comfortable is our utmost priority okay you guys with me so far great thank you hi Venus uh yeah sure I'll share this talk uh this these are things I just copied from my emails and I put it in a google doc so here I did something this morning okay so now let's go to um another important part so now we have sent them an email uh you know and whatnot um you know so they come prepared for the auditions the auditions are over okay uh they're auditioned and it's done now comes the follow-up process now what next after audition okay that is very important right obviously because you that doesn't end with the audition okay auditions are done what next okay so uh the next section is um after the successful audition let's say that an individual has uh met every criteria they've learnt the song well uh they've nailed their parts uh and you know they have an excellent uh you know I mean we get to know them in just a little bit in that little bit we gauge the who they are and how they are the calling of their life uh and whatnot we send an other email right post this is post successful auditions like for into individuals who have uh successfully uh who what do I say successfully completed the audition okay uh so we say hello so and so thank you for coming forward into audition yada yada yada appreciate your preparations you know we are happy to invite you to be part of the orient worship team orientation process uh for singing now this is where another uh process begins a test uh a process testing process is um there is a orientation orientation process post the audition and this that's what this email is going to uh explain to the individual the orientation process okay so what is it going to look like uh what does it look like the first step in the orientation process is the orientation meeting itself so uh we will schedule a day and a time most give them all those details and whatnot we ask them to come uh so this orientation process it will be for approximately two or three hours meeting uh we we take them through the we take them through the um like the blueprint the the culture that is expected uh our vision of the worship team like you know um everything our pursuit uh all of that is shared you know our vision is shared a pursuit uh to them the culture some of the commitments that are expected is shared in this orientation meeting and uh there will be an hour and a half of say a music class that is taking we might have a music a session on music theory or band dynamics how to play together as a band um you know basics of music fundamentals will be taught in this orientation meeting that's step number one uh right everyone is expected to attend the orientation meeting because this is part of the process step number two is uh we'll choose a Sunday probably most often the very following Sunday is uh they will have a briefing session with the events coordinator uh here you know now it's Stephen it used to be Tharun uh Tharun do you remember it you used to take them through this uh you know so the Stephen is our events and service coordinator uh you know they will meet them at 9 a.m our service starts at 10 30 a.m you know this person will take them through different parts of the church the building of the church saying okay this is where you know the children's church happen this is where the setup team this is what the setup team is doing uh you know in all of that so what Stephen will do is he will share about all the planning and preparation that goes into a Sunday morning service the different teams that work together all that is expected of the volunteer team right um it's I am wondering why is it important why is it necessary to know for a worship team member to know what other teams are doing um first immediate thought is why not and the second thing is you're still your one team you your worship team but then you're one of the teams among 19 other teams to make one service happen so you we need to be in sync or in synergy you know in in sync with every other team of what they are doing we need to know right so we're getting a little bit more in detail so that's the second step of the orientation process um and the third step is this is the key rehearsals okay prepare and attend six worship team rehearsals like you know the roster the song list practice venues everything will be sent to these individuals so over the six weeks what they have to do is even before they are rostered even before they start singing or playing in a Sunday service before that happens they have to attend six rehearsals worship team practices and if you look at it six rehearsals is almost six weeks and that's almost more than a month right and so already you can see our orientation process our process to add bring in people to the worship team itself is quite a process it's like we are very particular about commitment about people's faithfulness you know their character because all of this all of that will be tested in this orientation process you know it doesn't matter who the individual is that individual can be an absolute beginner who's just been playing and say a guitar or singing for two years or there could be another individual who's an absolute professional pro music musician who's been playing you know an instrument or singing for 15 years it doesn't matter everybody will be treated equally if you want to be part of the APC worship team this is the orientation process right some of them will be like oh why should I go through all these six weeks you know I already know how to play this instrument I've been with other in this other city that I was in the church that I was going to I was already playing with them so I understand band dynamics I know all of this and so we again very politely and very gently let them know that all of that is understood but this is the process here at APC where we expect every individual who wants to join the team to go through this process so this is step 3 and most of the time this is like the breaking point for the individuals right that's step number 3 and then we have the Holy Spirit baptism where we also encourage those who are joining the worship team to attend the Holy Spirit baptism and that way you know most sometimes what will happen is you know you get to know the doctrine that they believe in maybe not all individuals may necessarily subscribe to the baptism of the Holy Spirit teaching or speaking in tongues and what not but we at APC we believe in the baptism of the Holy Spirit we believe in the Holy Spirit we teach on the gifts of the Holy Spirit and the fruits of the Holy Spirit we believe in speaking in tongues all of that and so to reiterate that we encourage those individuals who have successfully completed the audition process as part of the orientation process to attend the Holy Spirit baptism you know at any of their locations so this is the second email that goes out to those who have successfully completed the audition process and that's the what we've just looked at is the orientation process okay yes all good any questions or anything so far Yashil Kumar go ahead yeah thanks I have a small doubt regarding to music I just want to know that is it right as a Christian worship leader learning the karnatic music or classical because it is connected with something else so I just want to know that like in many Christian music we can especially in Indian music we can this thing is used so whether it is and these are not like western kind of music but I don't know what western music is associated with what but especially we know that as in India this karnatic music is connected with something else so if somebody asks me that question whether if somebody wants to learn karnatic music so that they can use the music for the God's glory is it right to advise them to do that thank you sir that's my question yeah thanks Shri Kumar that's a lovely question so the way I will look at it this karnatic music is associated with the southern part of India and there's the Hindustani music that is Hindustani classical associated with with the north northern India that comes from now there are fundamentals of it as in like the basics of it is kind of general to you know every individual that can learn like say Saree Gama is what in western is Dore Mi Fa Solati Dorek Saree Gama you know so that's part of karnatic classical do I need to learn that? absolutely right it's for me to know the scale to sing the scale and what not so but there is always a point where I mean certain chants are returned to a certain ascribed or attributed to certain gods or goddesses etc so that's where we draw the line but then there is the fundamentals that is you can learn if you want to because I'm saying that because I learned a part of what they call it as in karnatic music in Konnukol is you say the rhythm like Ta Ki Ta Ta Ki Ta Ta Ki Ta Ta Ki Ta you know all of that is you're just saying the rhythm and that's karnatic way and I wanted to learn that to implement that on my drum kit because Indian rhythms kind of pushes you Indian rhythms are very technical in terms of their complexity it's very good for your independence like your mental exercises like for your left brain to think differently from your right brain for your right hand to do something different independent from your left hand so it pushes your skill and so that way so I learned it to apply and imply that on my drum kit so and so I would say that's okay but then again you will know at a certain point you know where to stop like a certain chant is written for a sign you know ascribed to a certain god or goddess is that's where you say okay yeah no thank you sir yeah okay welcome any other thoughts anybody questions anything cool so we've looked at an email that is sent before the audition expecting them to learn the songs and come and then we've looked at another email that is sent out for those who have successfully completed the audition process and telling them about the orientation process now very important email you have to tell those who did not get selected in the audition process in the audition so that is also very important isn't it it's very sensitive like okay you know how do we sell an individual they did not get through the audition process you know without breaking their spirit and encouraging them to re-audition what not so that's what this email kind of looks like again hello thank you for auditioning on Sunday really appreciate your time and effort towards this so we let them know while evaluating the auditions it was felt that two main areas needed more work and strengthening right so we let them know there were two areas that we kind of saw that required more work and strengthening one is timing and singing a harmony that means this individual was not able to sing in time keep time and also they were not understanding what singing and harmony meant right so one of our evaluators would have already had a chat with them so whoever evaluated different sections so there will be evaluators for drums the two individuals who will evaluate for acoustic guitars and for vocals you know from the worship team and so a person who evaluated the certain team section will already have had a chat with them and only then this email will go out so and then we let them know so do take some time to strengthen these two areas and once you feel confident about this you can re-audition in August we let them know that they can re-audition dates will be announced in church so we don't just let them we say okay sorry you didn't get selected for the audition by Auroville Sayonara we let them know the areas that they can work on in addition to that we also share some of the resources that they can use that can help them so you can see in the document that there's some of the links YouTube links that I shared that can help them in their timing those are all tutorials that will help them this is a tutorial on pitch range breathing all of it so we make sure that you know we've done our part we've not just said okay you know you didn't do the audition work so we're washing off our hands and whatnot we do our part we go an extra mile and say you know here are the resources that we think might help you so please work on it and re-audition it will be amazed how many people have worked on it and come back and have successfully completed the audition process so there you have it guys that's the audition process at the EPC any thoughts, any questions after this so is that clear how do you understand the importance of audition process yeah okay yes master especially the last point is really a learning point how to say no without breathing the spirit I have always have a tough time saying that telling the truth and love are thank you for sharing that and most of the audition yeah it's a new learning because we don't know all these things just have to dwell on them thank you master you're welcome I realize most of these things that we discussed today you might not be directly involved in an audition process and whatnot but then I think it's a good to know information like in FYI this is how the worship ministry should function because the worship ministry might come under your supervision your leadership so you need to have insights on that that's what this course is all about basically just giving a sneak peek into worship ministry anything else? okay just very quickly before concluding this section we'll talk about rostering so that's another part I've shared with you what how an APC roster looks like and if you come down to page 48 the first half that's the message we usually send out to the members of the worship team we we have a broadcast list on whatsapp yay whatsapp okay so this is a message which was sent out a couple of years ago in December this is just an example so try and make it a little interesting as possible because we are doing this every month because we are on December so we are halfway through November which means it's time to finish the year with the bank kindly send your availability for December's worship team roster we give them a deadline and say okay they have to send their availability their dates by November 20th evening and we also give additional information saying okay there are 4 Sundays in December plus 2 combined services for Christmas and New Year's Eve service I worship teams for December 1st all of that is not necessary so I also send out the dates these are the dates in December Sundays 8th, 15th, 22nd, 29th and the Christmas service is on the 25th which is a Wednesday New Year's right so what they do is they start sending me their dates one by one I keep getting messages okay 8th and 22nd 15th and 29th December is one of those notorious months because like you can see there are 4 services sometimes there are 5 Sundays like combined services we have Christmas and New Year's and that's the month where everybody wants to go on vacation right and suddenly your 15 member worship team is now reduced to 25 and you're looking for people like what can we do where are they oh you can't do anything isn't it because they are volunteering and they are traveling everybody wants to go on a vacation it's Christmas time etc etc and they have dates their availability in advance because it takes so Pastor Jakes and me work on the roster it takes us at least one week I'm saying at least one week to complete the roster and to finish the roster we have multiple phone calls and say okay who can we put here okay this person is not available there okay so who can we put there everyone is available to play the base what can we do should I fill in for base etc etc so the congregation will not see all of this everything that goes on behind the scenes they don't need to see it but this is just another insight behind the scene exclusive footage of what happens behind the scenes of the worship team just get the team to play it's quite a jolly ride I should say that's how the roster thing works the messages sent out they send in their dates and we start balancing we start putting together the team together okay yeah that's about the roster we will pause here we will take a break and we'll get back in 10 minutes okay see you guys